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Comments by "aycc-nbh72" (@aycc-nbh7289) on "Yes, Amy Schumer, Israel is an Apartheid State" video.

@biogene9297 What do you mean? Someone once said that calling Israel an apartheid regime only diminishes the atrocities committed by actual apartheid regimes like the Jim Crow South and South Africa. I acknowledge that there are some incidents where Arabs may be getting the raw end of the deal, but they are not enshrined in Israeli law and largely lack official support, unlike in the other cases I mentioned.
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@aame6643 Not at all, but I’m saying that Israel’s accusations don’t all have the merit that people give them. Israel has the right to its own territorial integrity, which was threatened by Egypt’s and Jordan’s invasion. But that being said, I doubt Netanyahu is the best leader Israel could have, especially given his ambition to undo the separation of branches of government and take full control of the country for himself and his political party.
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@Rabbi-Jill-kews This sounds exactly like one of the classic antisemitic talking points. No offense, but I’m pretty sure that even the words you used mirror those used by the many antisemites I’ve encountered.
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@Burningsteel Why does it matter? They don’t serve Israel very well anyway. It would be like saying the Allied governments created the Nazi Party; they didn’t serve them any good even if that were true (which it isn’t).
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Then people should do more research on how the Israeli state doesn’t necessarily enshrine segregation between Jews and Arabs, which would be reminiscent of South Africa and the Jim Crow South.
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⁠ @aame6643 But keep in mind which country attacked which country first in 1948. I feel sorry for your family, but it still doesn’t mean that Israel wasn’t attacked by Egypt and Jordan first.
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@dans.o.s.d.s6971 The point is that an apartheid state wouldn’t allow ethnic minorities to be in such positions.
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No offense, but are you sure you aren’t seeing this through the lens that Hamas has crafted? Israel doesn’t seem to forbid Arabs from coexisting in the same spaces as Jews and Hamas seems to be the one who is looking to forbid opposition to them, which would include Jews.
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I understand that Netanyahu’s actions are arguably not the best for a democratic regime, but I don’t understand how his actions can’t be separated from those of Israel as a state. If a different guy were in charge, he may not have done any of that.
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@skidkid87 And you’re aware that in the latter scenario, Israel was invaded by foreign armies, no?
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@youtubeillegallydeletesacc1525 How is it not true? If it were truly a hospital’s elevator shaft, for example, how could a crash cart fit within a space that narrow?
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And you’re aware that people who call out Israel’s “lies” and “atrocities” use misleading evidence many times, no?
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@greenogre22 They were faced with the choice of handing the region back to Egypt or they could have allowed the region to form its own state. It could have been like Singapore or Hong Kong, with foreign investors flocking to Gaza to establish new businesses and strengthen its economy.
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@leas7400 What propagandists? I hardly see any news that is in favor of Israel. And I’ve seen somewhere a phrase just like what I’ve mentioned from someone who has suffered under apartheid in South Africa.
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So what evidence exists that Arabs are, for example, being sent to the back of the bus or made to drink from separate water fountains or use separate washrooms?
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But keep in mind that rights are conditional, no? The right to vote doesn’t necessarily extend to the right to vote to dissolve the existence of the state, especially when millions of new refugees might be created as a result. And let’s not forget about the fact that Arab judges have handed sentences to Jewish convicts in Israel before.
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So how is Israel discriminating against Arabs coexisting with Jews in public spaces, then? I’ve seen somewhere that calling Israel an apartheid regime only diminishes the atrocities committed by actual apartheid regimes like South Africa and the Jim Crow South.
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@chaalbaaz429 Which only means that it’s more crucial for Israel to repel Hamas’s aggression, since they have access to the resources of state-funded terror groups and weapon-smuggling channels that literally go underneath Israeli radar.
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@infernomance Even if I didn’t, I have still seen people say that calling Israel an apartheid state would only diminish the atrocities committed by apartheid states like South Africa and the Jim Crow South, since Arabs are not necessarily being discriminated against by the Israeli government.
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@armpitsmcmarmar7994 But freedom for Palestine does not inherently mean the destruction of Israel. Does freedom for Russia inherently mean the destruction of Ukraine? Also, I have seen another video that does confirm what I’ve said.
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@aame6643 But it isn’t the same as the Israeli government taking selective action against Arabs, such as by enacting apartheid laws like South Africa and the Jim Crow South did.
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What makes you think so? Is there evidence from a chain of neutral sources that says that Arabs are being rounded up into camps?
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And you’re aware that many of these sources have motives to see the downfalls of Jews worldwide, no?
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You’re aware that Israel isn’t necessarily an apartheid state, no? Jews and Arabs seem to be able to coexist in public spaces.
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@Swagmanrx If this is true, it doesn’t mean the Israeli government sanctions this kind of violence. We see radical extremists, yes, but it doesn’t mean that their views are part of state policy.
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So where is the evidence that Arabs are being selectively rounded up and put into camps? And every source in the chain should stand to gain nothing from the conflict going either way, which would likely preclude any UN or Amnesty International sources, as both have been accused of antisemitic bias.
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@jorenvanderark3567 No offense, but this sounds a lot like something straight out of a conspiracy theory like “what really happened to JFK” or “what really caused 9/11”.
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And the truth seems to be that the Israeli government doesn’t sanction racial discrimination in public spaces, which is exactly what apartheid is.
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I’m pretty certain that accusing a platform of being “Zionist controlled” is a classic talking point of antisemites, isn’t it?
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⁠ @obtuseangler768 I don’t see what this has to do with my comment on Israeli apartheid (or lack thereof).
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@Henry-xh8yq Then by this logic, no nation has the right to govern any territory because all nations exist due to land that they have taken from other nations and peoples and they are applying their own laws in ways that seem fine on paper, but are, in reality, detrimental to those who came before them.
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But you’re aware that Israel isn’t necessarily an apartheid state, since they don’t exactly enforce segregations of the various races, no?
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@byron197 No, every nation has deprived other peoples of their abilities to conduct foreign relations. For example, depriving Kosovo of its sovereignty also means that they are barred from participating in NATO or the EU.
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@justcommenting4981 I’d expect The Onion to produce something like that.
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@justcommenting4981 You’re aware that they’re just a satire channel, no? They also have a video about a bugle that sits in the Oval Office that can be used to magically summon the Founding Fathers from the dead.
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@byron197 By similar logic, all nations have such phenomenon because they are built upon other nations’ lands.
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No offense, but what is your plan if you and your fellow Jews are attacked by antisemitic mobs due to the inevitable refugee crisis that would come from Israel’s downfall? Saying one is anti-Zionist without being antisemitic sounds a hell of a lot like saying one has “the full support and respect for” the Ukrainian people while being against the idea that Ukraine should exist as a nation.
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@Burningsteel If he doesn’t, it would mean that his words could be used by antisemites to further their cause even if he isn’t an antisemite himself. I don’t know what this person wants, but for all I know, he’s only endangering Jews around the world by allowing antisemites and Hamas to have new propaganda fuel.
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What do you mean, exactly? 20% of its population is Arab.
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@mediaisthevirus Are you sure? They seem to be among the world leaders in semiconductors and desalination plants.
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@mediaisthevirus And Israel is one of the few places where they are manufactured outside of any of those countries.
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@mediaisthevirus But don’t forget about desalination plants. And I’m pretty certain that most tech firms, like YouTube and Facebook, do rely on machines that use Israeli chips.
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@Vhlathanosh And you’re aware that international organizations have been accused of antisemitism and anti-Israeli bias, no?
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@clicheguevara5282 So what is your alternative plan to make sure that the Jews of the world feel accepted within their communities and that they feel safe from antisemitic attacks?
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And you’re aware that Arabs and Jews inside of Israel aren’t necessarily segregated, no? Arabs have the right to vote in Israel, ride the same buses as Jews, drink from the same water fountains as everyone else, etc.
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@byron197 So how is Israel any worse than other states?
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@ufcjustice7449 I don’t recall the name, but I somewhat agree. If I said that the stunted economic growth the U.S. is currently experiencing is a “Holodomor”, would you agree or disagree that I’d be diminishing the atrocities committed against the people who have suffered from the actual Holodomor?
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@pandaman2840 This is exactly my point: the economy is not in the best shape it could be, but calling it something like that would be just plain wrong.
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@pandaman2840 I don’t see how they’re second class citizens, since the Jews have to do more to be citizens, such as undergoing military service and staying out of the illegal settlement areas.
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But that doesn’t necessarily mean Israel is an apartheid state if the state doesn’t necessarily sanction the racist attitudes, such as by segregating the various ethnic groups. If anything, this means that absolutely every state on the planet is an apartheid one, but the media just likes to cast blame on Israel more than most.
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@abook2141 Because they have to be universal in order to apply. The right to freedom of religion, for example, doesn’t allow people to harm others in the name of said religion, otherwise, they may k!ll other people and deny them the right to freedom of religion.
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@jorenvanderark3567 But it doesn’t necessarily mean Israel was guilty of what they committed.
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@quronmccovery881 What do you mean?
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@LuizAlexPhoenix Which means Israel doesn’t fit this criterion.
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@San_Vito Or maybe the Arabs are voting in people who represent their views rather than people of their races. As a White person, I’d rather have a person of color who supports my views represent me instead of a White person who does not.
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@CatgirlExplise6039 Except the violent revolution may undo the right to vote and install a monarchy or dictatorship.
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@San_Vito Except there may also be cases where people vote for people whose ideologies they like best over people of their own ethnic groups.
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@San_Vito Civil marriage is also not a thing in Israel, so synagogues and mosques may refuse to marry couples of different faiths unless their members convert.
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@San_Vito Also, when have we seen Hebrew signage in Palestine, for example? Do Muslims in Israel also have to acknowledge Jewish supremacy in order to continue practicing their faith?
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@mhersi2dude And Israel fully compensated the U.S. for the damages.
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Israel isn’t America, though, but given Hamas’s plans for Palestine, they seem like they would conform to American values even less.
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But you’re aware that even if Israel really is an apartheid state, Hamas is planning for an even worse apartheid, no? And Israel doesn’t seem to fit the description of an apartheid regime, since Jews and Arabs are allowed to exist within the same public spaces.
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@Ahmed_ElSayed01 What evidence do you have that he does?
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@meuknowwho7041 Someone who has a disregard for Jewish people.
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So what would you do to provide Jews with an alternative to Israel and ensure that they can live free of hatred and threats made by antisemitic mobs that exist in most countries?
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@DefinitelyNotEmma Basically, yes. If you advocate for the fall of Israel and no alternative to make the world a safer place for Jews, then the antisemites will be able to use your words to further their cause.
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@Y0KAl But the issue is that most people around the world don’t seem to grasp the possibility that it’s possible to criticize the Israeli government without criticizing the Israeli state. Racial profiling and road discrimination are already illegal according to Israeli law, though what they are doing from what I’ve heard does not seem too far off from what happens in border communities along the border between the U.S. and Canada.
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⁠⁠⁠ @Y0KAl If you look at a phenomenon like the interlocking towns of Derby Line, VT and Stanstead, QC, then you will see something very similar emerge, with it only being legally possible to cross certain roads when one passes through a checkpoint to legally enter the Canadian side, meaning that despite the fact that the international border is apparently unguarded, one still needs to go out of one’s way to have one’s papers checked by the police just to cross a road. Certain roads are also separated by the international border and have no border crossings. While you may think that this is like Niagara Falls where there is not much of a motivation to cross the border frequently, this border community actually has the resemblance of one single town and there is a motivation to do so, with only the Canadian side having access to a pharmacy and the American side being the closest to the nearest hospital. As far as proximity to major cities is concerned, the Canadian side is much closer to Montréal than the American side is to Boston, so one would need to cross into Canada to get to the closest major airport. Other border communities like Point Roberts, WA are in similar spots, but as I’ve mentioned with Niagara Falls, not all of them are. One argument is also used that since Canada is so heavily reliant on the U.S. for trade and military protection, they are also a part of the greater American “empire”. American and Canadian citizens also have the ability to cross into their own countries of citizenship faster, with expedited crossing options like Global Entry and Express Entry respectively only accessible by each other’s citizens. Nexus is also an option for citizens of both countries, but the privileges are not as great. Either way, it still involves intense bureaucracy and a nontrivial sum of money. By contrast, the checkpoints in the West Bank seem to not be as formal, with police admitting or denying people based on whether they are perceived security hazards. I have also read that there are only a handful of checkpoints left and that Palestinians can still drive throughout the West Bank without going through this, unlike in communities along the U.S.-Canada border. I’m also pretty sure that Israel has opened access to their international airport for at least some, if not all, Palestinian nationals recently.
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And you’re aware that there is plenty of misinformation against Israel, no? Much of it was started by antisemites and uses classic antisemitic talking points.
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@aame6643 But the issue is of holding Israel to a higher standard than to other countries who are doing the same thing, if not worse. We don’t hear much about the Uighurs or Rohingyas anymore, yet we hear about the Palestinian Arabs all the time.
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@cheikhabdalahi9332 Maybe because the UN is mainly anti-Israel and getting them to issue a resolution in their favor would be like trying to get an annoying dog to stop barking.
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@MahsLife And you’re aware that the media is typically biased against Israel and Jews, no? They pretty much have been for centuries.
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@zuckerman1691 That would be an ideal solution, but some in Israel may think along the same lines of replacement theory and say that they will become the minority in their own country. Though this may not affect much if Texas lost its white majority between 1968 and 2005 and has only voted Democrat in one presidential race since 1968.
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@baptizednblood6813 The issue is not whether it is happening, but rather who is responsible.
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@Jo-hc6pl Please read the comment again. It was the mere day after Israel got its independence, so even if that’s true, they did not have time to do much coordination and Israeli officers were not in much of a condition to be in command over British troops.
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@sovietbanana4589 Then where is the color bar in places of public accommodation?
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@sovietbanana4589 Then by similar logic, all international borders are acts of segregation. Plus, the checkpoints only stop people who are known security hazards and racial profiling is illegal in Israel.
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@sovietbanana4589 I’m pretty sure their supreme court says otherwise.
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@stateofaffairs1 Then where is Israel’s color bar? Has any place of public accommodation been able to refuse their services to Arabs with state backing? I’ve seen an article where a Jew went into an Arab’s store and he was actually delighted that he finally got to see a Jew there.
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@stateofaffairs1 But it doesn’t enshrine Arabs being sent to the back of the bus.
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@stateofaffairs1 Then isn’t pretty much every state an apartheid one if they each have their own ethnicity that defines them, with these countries going as far as defining citizenship as membership of this group as opposed to birth on the country’s home soil?
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@stateofaffairs1 I don’t think it restricts any amount of land to any particular group. I’m pretty sure that previous attempts at such laws have failed challenges by their Supreme Court.
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@Gregorypeckory Except most states’ citizenship policies are based on lineage rather than birthplace. This means that the situations with the Roma and Rohingya peoples, for example, mean they are more likely to be stateless.
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@Gregorypeckory No, it’s Iran and /or Russia backing Gaza, not the U.S.
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@Gregorypeckory Except Catholicism is not a nationality, while Judaism is.
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@Gregorypeckory Except their ruling party prides itself on antisemitism and would go out of their way to jail people for wearing yarmulkes or speaking Hebrew.
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@patrikkisicek7304 Would an apartheid state be willing to accommodate its ethnic minorities’ language and religion? Would an apartheid state be willing to allow ethnic minorities an actual party to vote for in parliament and have judges from within their own ranks?
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@patrikkisicek7304 It’s probably better than supporting its alternative, who’d probably put in the remaining 5%.
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@Jo-hc6pl It was a mere day after they gained independence and they had no motivation to attack, since they had already accepted the 1948 UN Partition Plan and they were too young of a nation to have any armed force of any sort that could contend with the mights of those of Egypt and Jordan.
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@grahamcarpenter691 No, I just saw today that Israel is revealing more evidence about Hamas’s alleged use of hospitals as military bases and their attempted evacuations of children there. And the media is typically ignorant of the plight of Jews around the world if they aren’t blatantly antisemitic.
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@reddragon3163 So what would you do to make the world a safer place for Jews without Israel than with Israel? And you’re aware that the tensions between Jews and Arabs existed since before the region became a British mandate, no? And most Israeli Jews are indigenous to the Semitic world like the Arabs are.
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@hasanhaskovic4307 First, what makes you think I’m a part of Hasbara? Making this bold of an assumption seems to be a common tactic among antisemites. Second, have you ever heard before of a “kangaroo court”? This may be what Israel is doomed to face should they be made to stand before the ICC.
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@hasanhaskovic4307 No, I’ve seen similar arguments used to suggest I’m a part of the Israeli government. And I doubt international recognition may be enough to affirm the ICC’s legitimacy to try Israel, since the entire rest of the world seems as though they are against Israel and Jews, so this would present a conflict of interest.
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@hasanhaskovic4307 Where I’m from, potential jurors are screened from trials based on potential conflicts of interest or prejudice in favor of or against either side. I’m no lawyer and this is not legal advice, but it may not be that possible to do this here if the world has already done this. Jurors are expected to apply the law as the judge explains it to them, but as humans, they each have their own lenses that they see facts and details through that may be shaped by prejudice or hatred. In short, it is like if a pack of wolves tried a sheep for a crime to justify eating it, even if the accusation was legitimate: there is still a motive to make the sheep look bad.
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@jorenvanderark3567 The Kennedy assassination and 9/11 were arguably preventable if the FBI and the CIA had the domestic and global influence that those who push these theories tout.
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