Comments by "HaJo Os." (@hajoos.8360) on "Drachinifel"
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@justforever96 Yes, that's correct. But at the doggerbank were only 11, 12 & 13,5 inch guns present. At Jutland the Brits had some 15 inch gun ships. The weight of a British 15 inch gun was around 880 KG on Hood. The German 15 inch gun had a weight of 750 KG,. on Bismarck 800 KG. The 11-inch high velocity-projectile of the Scharnhorst-class had only a weight of slightly above 300 KG. On paper the Scharnhorst could shot 3,5 rounds a minute, same as Bismarck, caused by the same simple reload system. But Schneider shot at Denmark Strait in average 1 round a minute. The 11 inch gun had several advantages, more projectiles in the magazine and the guns had more stamina than 15 inch guns. 15 inch guns could survive 254 rounds, 11 inch guns a 100 rounds more. Scharnhorst's 11 inch guns could penetrate most of all existing armaments except the main belts. The fatal hit on Scharnhorst at the North Cape by Duke of York's 14 inch guns reached the propulsion room slightly above the main belt. This hit was deadly by his lucky accuracy not by the weight of the projectile. When Kirishima was hit by Washington's 16 inch guns of several broadsides on nearly point blank range, the broadside weight made no difference. As You mentioned, smaller calibre, more broadsides available. And in WWII only 2 British BB-constructions were sunk by artillery.
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Weserübung was improvised...and the Germans had no time to lose by the necessity to secure Narvik's iron ore rail-road. This is proved by the fact, that the Brits reached Narvik at the same day. Every heavy cruiser passing Oscarsburg in slow speed would have been sunk. What Drachinifel missed to mention, is that the failure of Blücher was caused again by those miserable German flag officers, in this case rear-admiral Kummetz. He ordered slow speed. His flag-captain Heinrich Woldag demanded to sail as fast as possible to avoid Norwegian attacks. And as usual those useless guys in the Kriegsmarine were promoted.
Drach's comparison with county-class heavy cruisers, i beg pardon, is totally useless. PE's Gunnery was quite superiour, the guns longer and heavier, more AA-gun-batteries, more and better 2nd artillery, 30 meters more length, 2 meters wider beam, (same speed), more torpedos. This caused a much bigger crew (including prize-crews), nearly doubled numbers, means more mess-rooms and supply-storage, and PE loaded respectively the double weight of ammunition. So, it is easy to understand where the additional displacement of PE is coming from and out of question, a little bit more research and less prejudice would be appropriate.
After HMS London's refit the ships superstructure stressed under the new heavy weight. The ship was too small, the refits misconstructed. Remaining inside the treaty was seen as a ridiculous punctiliousness in Britain.
Drach's beloved triple-gun-turrets are fine for a fleet in superiour numbers of ships, but impair the ships's stabilty, shifting weight out of the mid-centre. For minor navies fighting against superiour sqadrons more turrets to fight multiple targets are the correct construction-style.
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@rambysophistry1220 this is what they tell us in school or at the university. Wilson admitted in 1919 that the founding of the FED as it happened during Christmas holidays, was his main failure, because the FED is not federal, the ownership consists of US private banks, funny isn't it? During the Weimar Republic the Germans debated, too, the question of a private National-Bank or a public one. The Bank of England was a private bank, too, till 1948, after Bretton Woods there was no use of it anymore. The founders of the Bank of England in 1694 are still blacked. The II. Reich could refinance the war alone with war-bonds. Britain could not. JPMorgan gave big loans to Britain. In 1916, after Galipoli Britain loses the war, what meant, the JPs loans to Britain were going into default. Let die some unexperienced GIs to save those loans. Maybe you should hear the famous Freedman-speech (1961), available on YT. About Russia is to say that at the beginning of the Russian Civil war, the Entente Powers supported the White Guardists against the Red Army. The Red Army was in a bad state until Trotzki came back from his Canadian exile with a lot of money loaned from US bankers (mainly Jacob Schiff). With this money Trotzki managed the re-organisation of the Red Army, (the Entente Powers stopped the support for the Whites), won the Civil War, fought back the aggressive Poles who invaded Russia (Polish army stood beyond Kiev) during the Polish-Sovjet-War, lost only the last battle of Warsaw, what definded the ridicoulous border the Poles still demand. About WWII read Churchill-quotes. Churchill did not care about Hitler or any other Reichs-Government. Churchill aimed the destruction of Germany and the genocide of German people. After the war, he admitted, "we slaughtered the wrong pig". Churchill was the worst European politician in human history. He destroyed the biggest empire that the planet had ever seen, and additionally the continent of Europe in a lifetime.
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@genericpersonx333 the US navy controllers were not enthusiastic about Prinz Eugen's abilities. What the most of the participants, who answered to you, do not understand, is the relativeness. US navy, as airforce and army, could rely on never-ending supplies and most of the infinite ressources were wasted, but who cares. Small countries as Germany, Italy or Japan with no empire in their back, had very limited ressources. So, we should evalue their achievements under those circumstances. This is more evident, when we notice that soviet and us military after-war-development is based mainly on robbed German technology, one of the main reasons for this war. It would take several annual US budgets to compensate in favour of the Germans the world's biggest bucaneering ever.
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@KroM234 This is not only your and my opinion. Numbers are obvious. To evalue the history we have to check political intentions. The Brits, incorporated by the RN, followed the real imperial strategy (copied from the Romans) to destroy all enemy forces. Till today, continental forces, at this time the Frenchies and Spaniards, except the admirals Suffren and de Bazán, saw warfare at sea more as a political instrument, as a noble hobby, and comparable to the Germans in WWI and II. The fatal error was to underestimate the brutal atrocity of anglo-american policies of permanent warfare, which was fairly copied from Augustus, who was famous for his pax romana, but who waged permanent war in reality. The big french fleet, which gave the US independence, ruined the french economy, which led to the French revolution with it's well known outcome. What guys as de Grasse never understood was, with a sunk Royal Navy the brit colonies would had become automatically french ones. The deGrasse' made useless enterprises and adventures instead to bottle up the RN in british ports and to kill John Company.
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@gregzeigler3850 I beg pardon, i meant the US took profit from WWI and WWII. But the US was after the end of WWII too weak to influence the political situation in China. The Chinese civil war between Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, beginning 1927, ended 1949 and the result of the Korean war ended with a stalemate. Here we see the start of the US decline as the leading world power from it's beginning. In 1978 Deng Xiaoping took over and created the current China (& the entire far east), which dislodges the US and the entire West, as you decribed it. The imperialistic thinking of US policies, inherited from the Brits, led to the expensive expansion of the military complex. 800 US overseas bases against one of China in Djibouti, (Britain still 16), charges the taxpayers a lot, and the US charges the entire planet with indirect taxes, enforcing the planet to buy the worthless Petrol-$. Your president Donald Trump is the first one in Oval Office who understands, that the US policy of military threats (for centuries) is over, already a long time. And he tries to counter China in the right way to support the own economy outside the military complex.
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