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@WilliamAndrea Canada, Quebec.
For people’s height, it seems to be mixes. Some people use inches and some use cm. When I visit various doctors, they only use cm.
For road length and speed, it is pretty rare to hear miles and feet.
For weather reports, they only use mm, cm for rain and snow depth. They only use Celsius. They only use km for visibility. They only use Pascal or kPa for pressure.
For TV and monitor size, everyone uses inches since that is what the box says in large letter. It is USA related.
For supermarkets and such, pounds are prioritized for some reason. They mostly print out $/kg as well.
It is mostly in the construction industry where imperial units are always used.
If I want to buy drill bits, they give fractional numbers like 3/8 of an inch.... and they lost me. I have no idea what 3/8 or 1/4 and such means. Why don’t they give exact numbers?
Hey, what time is it? It is 345/1735 hour and 731/3895 minutes.
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Be careful with muslims.
For example,
Part of that population of France is made up of Chechens. In the 1990s, 2 wars in Chechnya, a predominantly Muslim Russian republic in the North Caucasus, triggered a wave of emigration and many fled to western Europe.
Martial Lusiela, 15, told NBC News he was "shocked" by Friday, Oct 16, 2020 afternoon's attack in the middle-class suburb of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, north-west of the French capital.
"I didn't expect a decapitation — it went too far," he said, speaking with the permission of his parents, shortly after the incident that left his 47 year-old history teacher dead.
French anti-terrorism prosecutor Jean-Francois Ricard identified the victim as Samuel P.
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@WorldPeace877 "Your name should read proud Canadian instead of proud Hindu . If you are Canadian."
==Hindu is a religion.
There are all sorts of religions in Canada and non-religions: christian, j people, muslim, taoism, budhism, atheism, mormonism, scientology, hindu, shikh, native american religions.
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+ @romaniangamer1 :
Azeri are upset about the Khojaly Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_Massacre
"The Khojaly Massacre, also known as the Khojaly tragedy, was the killing[3] of at least 161 ethnic Azerbaijani civilians[1] from the town of Khojaly on 26 February 1992"
However, there are a few things an Azeri won't mention.
As an armenian, it is my job to GIVE YOU ALL THE INFO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom
"was a pogrom that targeted the Armenian population of the seaside town of Sumgait in Azerbaijan in late February 1988"
"The official death toll released by the Prosecutor General of the USSR (tallies were compiled based on lists of named victims) was 32 people (26 Armenians and 6 Azerbaijanis), although some have revised this figure up into the hundreds"
"Some Azerbaijanis even went on to campaign for the "freedom for the heroes of Sumgait."[64] Indeed, many of the perpetrators of the pogrom gained titles of national heroes and/or high positions in the government, where they still serve today"
The turks have a long history of ethnic cleansing. It is in their nature to attack civilians.
Greek genocide, 20th century (by the turks), 1890 to 1918 period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
Armenian genocide, 20th century (by the turks), 1890 to 1918 period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
Assyrian genocide, 20th century (by the turks), 1890 to 1918 period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
Dersim massacre, 20th century (by the turks), 1937
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_cultural_heritage_in_Turkey
Faiz El-Ghusein, Arab writer and witness to the Armenian Genocide, writes
"After the massacres of the Armenians, the government established commissions who were engaged in selling the leftover property. Armenian cultural values were sold at the cheapest prices ... I once went to the church to see how the sale of these things is organized. The doors of the Armenian schools were closed. The Turks used science books in the bazaar for wrapping cheese, dates, sunflowers ... In 1914 the Armenian patriarchy of Istanbul presented an account of the churches and monasteries in Western Armenia (Eastern Anatolia) and in the Ottoman Empire. More than 2,300 were accounted for including the early unique Christian monuments of 4–5th centuries. Most part of them were looted, burned and destroyed by the Turks during the genocide"
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@citizenofsuperpowerindia4453 Armenia is a very old nation. it is even mentionned in the Bible.
2 Kings 19:35 KING JAMES VERSION
And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses. {19:36} So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh. {19:37} And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead.
Isaiah 37:36 KING JAMES VERSION
Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses. {37:37} So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh. {37:38} And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Armenia: and Esar-haddon his son reigned in his stead.
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@ufuk.adamı Armenians have held protests every year, on April 24 for a pretty long time. From 1964 and onwards, I think. Like I said before, this isn’t just an armenian issue. It is a global issue. Any country that claims to be for human rights, needs to support this cause. It really depends on you, it depends on what kind of a future you want. There is perhaps 1,000 or 10,000 or 1,000,000 more years of human existence.
Things aren’t going to remain the same forever. There are going to be resource problems in the future and humans need to make peace with each other.
These superpowers, such as England, France, Canada, USA, etc, by looking the other way, they are basically giving the greenlight to Turkey to continue their denial and to teach a deformed version of history to their children.
I disagree with you. It is the UN responsibility to deal with human rights issue when it comes to a country vs country issue or country vs people.
For the native americans, there are many tribes of native americans but it is my understanding that Canada has signed various agreements with various tribes long ago. Why can’t Turkey treat the natives with respect?
For example, native americans can get free healthcare, free university education. They have their own radio broadcast and TV broadcast channels. Why couldn’t Turkey give something like that to the natives of Anatolia?
The answer is simple, they teach their children to hate armenians.
Canada delivers aid, teachers, equipment to tribes that live in various places.
They talk about the subject of native americans and they don’t falsify what happened to native americans. They even make documentaries about it. American and Canadian scholars take their jobs seriously, while those in Turkey are just a joke.
So, there is official recognition as to what happened tot he native americans. If they want more, it is up to the tribes to discuss it. I have never heard a native american demand recognition of their genocide. In fact, I have spoken to a few and some of them don’t even want benefits, such as tax reduction, free healthcare, free university. They want to be treated as regular citizens.
BTW, look up Fethiye Cetin Public Lecture at Ferrahian High School.
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chris latin "You apparently don't understand what Christians belief."
==Christian beliefs vary a lot because it is a very fragmented religion. Judaism and Islam is fragmented as well.
Each time, a new super dude (or call him messiah, or son of god, or magic man, or prophet or whatever) and changes things a bit and the group of believers splits into two.
So, there isn't one monolithic christian belief.
On the other hand, evolution theory, geology, nuclear physics, chemistry bring all the aspects of the universe into one picture. Since it is evidence based, science doesn't get fragmented into thousands of chemistry, thousands of physics, thousands of biology.
So let me know what your particular christian belief is.
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+omar safar:
Circumcision is pretty dangerous and useless operation. It is like getting your tonsils out.
Here are some examples of circumcisions gone wrong:
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Vomiting:
It was my sad task to publish a case report about a baby who experienced severe vomiting after being circumcised. Following the vomiting spell, the baby stopped breathing and had to be hospitalized for five days so that he could receive intravenous antibiotics. Needless to say, this never would have occurred had the baby been protected from circumcision.
Infants respond to the pain of circumcision by screaming, just as we would if someone slowly crushed and cut off part of our sex organs without anesthetic. When the crying is especially intense, the baby may swallow air. Then, when the mother tries to soothe her baby by feeding him, it may lead to vomiting, followed by apnea.
Apnea: (Stopped Breathing)
Apnea is the temporary cessation of breathing. The pain of circumcision is so severe that some babies stop breathing during the surgery. In an important study on the pain of circumcision published in The Journal of the American Medical Association, researchers discovered that serious complications occurred during circumcision. One infant experienced the same level of extreme distress as all the others in the study, but two and a half minutes after the conclusion of the surgery, the baby developed an abnormal posture, stopped breathing, and suffered projectile vomiting even though he had been denied food for more than three hours before the surgery. Another baby experienced a choking spell and stopped breathing three and a half minutes after the surgery.
The researchers noticed these serious complications because they were looking for them. One wonders how many babies suffer without anyone taking notice or caring, or even thinking there is anything wrong with projectile vomiting, choking, or cessation of breathing.
Rupture of Internal Organs:
Circumcision is so traumatic, painful, and frightening that it literally terrorizes the baby. Some babies have suffered extreme reactions to this experience that few adults could ever imagine possible.
Rupture of the Lung:
The medical literature details cases of circumcised babies whose lungs have burst as a result of intense crying. In one case, at Georgetown University School of Medicine, a fifteen-day-old baby with severe respiratory distress was circumcised. He turned blue, started breathing frantically, and cried incessantly. Finally, doctors discovered that the crying had caused the baby's right lung to burst. A drainage tube was inserted and the baby was hospitalized for nineteen days
Blood Clots in the Lung:
A case of life-threatening blood clots in the lung was reported following adult circumcision.
Heart Damage
The serious injury that circumcision can cause to other parts of the body is made clear in reports of babies whose hearts were damaged as a result of circumcision . In one case from Rochester, New York, a newborn baby was circumcised in the delivery room, even though the American Academy of Pediatricians has condemned this practice. The baby immediately turned blue, experienced grunting respirations, his temperature dropped to a dangerous level, and his heart muscle was damaged. This baby miraculously survived, but spent eleven days in the intensive care unit of the hospital.
In another published report, four babies who were hospitalized following circumcision turned blue, were lifeless, had elevated heartbeats, frantic breathing, grunting, and extremely poor
breathing. The liver was enlarged in three of the babies, and all babies showed signs of acute heart failure, enlarged heart, and fluid in the lungs. All four babies had been circumcised by the same circumciser, who had tried to controll the bleeding with epinephrine solution. The doctors who fought to save the lives of these babies believe that the drug may have induced the chain of events that nearly killed these babies.
Rupture of the Stomach:
In Richmond, Virginia, a healthy two-day-old baby was prepared for circumcision by denying him food for five hours. Terrified, the baby began crying hysterically as soon as the circumciser strapped him to the restraining board. After half an hour in this position, the baby vomited. Doctors pumped his stomach. The circumciser proceeded to amputate the baby's foreskin without anesthesia using a Gemco clamp. The baby cried vehemently throughout the ninety-minute ordeal. After the surgery, the baby refused to feed. His abdomen became distended and doctors discovered that his stomach had ruptured, requiring emergency abdominal surgery and the insertion of a feeding tube. After twenty-five days in the hospital, the baby was released. This baby had a perfectly normal stomach when he was born, but the trauma, excruciating pain of circumcision, and his prolonged crying caused his stomach to burst and spill its contents into the abdominal cavity." -What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About(TM): Circumcision: Untold Facts on America's Most Widely Perfomed-and Most Unnecessary-Surgery
"The doctors quickly realized that the babies who were not anesthetized were in so much pain that it would be unethical to continue with the study. Even the best commonly available method of pain relief studied, the dorsal penile nerve block, did not block all the babies' pain. Some of the babies in the study were in such pain that they began choking and one even had a seizure"
"In 1997, doctors in Canada did a study to see what type of anesthesia was most effective in relieving the pain of circumcision. As with any study, they needed a control group that received no anesthesia. The doctors quickly realized that the babies who were not anesthetized were in so much pain that it would be unethical to continue with the study. Even the best commonly available method of pain relief studied, the dorsal penile nerve block, did not block all the babies' pain. Some of the babies in the study were in such pain that they began choking and one even had a seizure (Lander 1997)."
"Kate Schnell- Yikes. Well its over & it was horrible (even from the other room with my fingers in my ears) .
Brittany Allen- I stood outside the building. And could still hear him cry. Poor dude."
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In Colombia, there are many cities named after lands mentioned in the Bible.
Look up Armenia, Colombia.
Also in Colombia, there is Armenia in the Antioquia department. Guess where the words Antioquia comes from. Yes the Bible.
In the USA, they also have many cities named after cities and lands mentioned in the Bible.
There is Armenia in Wisconson.
There is Armenia in Pennsylvania.
In Belize, there are many cities named after lands mentioned in the Bible.
There is Armenia, it is located in the Cayo District.
In Ecuador, in the province of Quito, there is the municipality of Armenia.
In El Salvador, there is the municipality of Armenia in Sonsonate.
In the Tanakh, there is mention of Egypt, of Greece, of Assyria and other nations. There is no mention of Turkey or Azerbaijan.
In an old egytian text, there is mention of Armenia, and in another there is mention of Israel and other lands.
There is no mention of Turkey or Azerbaijan.
You can find mention of Armenia in ancient Greek, Roman, Persian text.
Look it up for yourself. It is easy to find.
The information doesn’t come from armenians.
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@Mind_ConTroll
Why would the USA fund riots in Myanmar? If this is about communism vs capitalism, then yes, I could believe the USA is interested in destroying a country. If Myanmar said anything against, Israel, then yes, the USA will destroy you. I've seen it done to Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, Egypt. It's part of the USA plan to destroy all arab nations, except for Saudi Arabia.
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"There is a reason why minors need parental consent and/or age restriction such as smoking, tattoo, drinking, gambling, marriage, sex with a minor etc. minors mind is not fully developed which is easily persuaded and victimized. Doing this is child abuse and they should be put in jail, especially when not consulting with their own parents."
==What if one set of parents say it is ok for their 8 y old to smoke and another set of parents from another family says it is not ok. How can 2 different set of parents be correct?
I can see that smoking is a problem. It is damaging to the lungs.
I don’t know what harm a tattoo does. Perhaps some parents exerted a lot of pressure on the government and the government decided to make it a rule for all of society.
Ethanol might not be good for the brain.
Gambling? What harm does it do.
Marriage? No kid wants to get married. It is often a 20 y old who wants to marry a 13 y old. In some cases, it is a 60 y old. Some of this comes from certain religions, such as mormonism.
Sex is something common. There are some 13 y olds having sex with each other. Should we put them in jail?
When it comes to motorcycling, biking, football and other dangerous sports, some parents might be against their kids doing dangerous sports. Again, this is a case of possible physical harm. So there is some logic to it.
What’s so dangerous about a boy wanting to be a girl? It is a medical condition an doctors should help in their transition. Perhaps psychologists should help as well.
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@adanahurriyet6726 We know that you don’t accept the multiple genocides that Turkey has committed.
We know that in Turkey, the denial has gone through a few phases and then they settled on “it was war” and they use WW1 as a cover story. All this stuff isn’t new to us. It is reported in every armenian newspaper and probably in greek and assyrian newspapers as well.
It isn’t a war when a country uses it’s militarily to wipe out its citizens. That’s the very definition of genocide.
The genocide started here and there with Sultan Hamid II. It is called the hamidian massacres. It started in 1890. The closest ally of Turkey, or if you wish you can call it the Ottoman empire. was Germany and for some reason, they didn’t care. Perhaps, those who were responsible, didn’t even report it back to their superiors in Germany.
Eventually, it went into full swing with the young turks.
Germany was putting pressure on Turkey to do their part and to attack Russia. However, Turkey was busy with the genocide. Eventually, Turkey attacked one of the harbors in Russia which sent a signal to Russia that Turkey desires to have a war with Russia.
All this is called the Black Sea Raid.
This is why we also accuse Germany of aiding with the genocide. Recently, a certain german group has accepted responsibility. Alberta, just recently officially accepted the genocide, although it was already done at the federal level in 2006.
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@tarkgundogdu8940 It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why so many countries decades ago did not officially recognize the assyrian/armenian/greek genocide.
Based on what I have observed, the events surrounding WW1 aren’t much talked about. Their focus is mostly on WW2. WW2 is more recent and it involved some major advances in nuclear physics, which lead to the nuclear bomb and also to the nuclear pile.
Also, there seems to be far more quality footage of WW2 than WW1.
Also, Europeans and such don’t seem much interested in the history of other countries except when it comes to ancient Egypt, ancient Rome and ancient Greece. At times, they talk about Mesopotamia.
They tend to not talk about the rise of the Ottoman empire and the fall.
To get recognition, it required a lot of effort by armenians. The assyrian population is mostly in Iraq and doesn’t seem to exist much elsewhere, so they don’t have a voice.
There was of course heavy resistance since armenians don’t have bargaining chips. Politicians are not scholars. Someone doesn’t become a politician to fix the wrongs of past committed by some foreign country on a people they have never heard of.
So to them, it has no meaning.
Over time, human rights became more important around here. Unfortunately, countries/politicians tend to not want to upset Turkey. When it comes to making a choice, most often, Turkey won.
I’m not sure what you mean by Russians have sold arms to Armenians back then? Back when?
What I do know is that it is shameful on them for giving away chunks of Armenia. They gave a huge portion to Turkey and another section of Azerbaijan. To this day, Putin doesn’t mention this, The source of the problem is Stalin. He did that sort of thing with other countries that were in the Soviet block.
My prediction is that there will be more countries that will accept the genocide. The kids of today are not like the kids of 50 y ago. These days, human rights matter a lot.
Homosexuals are human beings and so are all the people of LGBT. Women are human beings. Atheists and blacks are human beings.
If Russia and China is interested in a WW3, their head isn’t working right.
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+Anti Zionist
“Yes but Psychics and Mediums we can put to the test. Can't do that with religion .. all those people have already passed.”
==I was talking about Moses, Abraham, Mohamed, Jesus and you are right. These guys are long dead. However, the wild claims such as humanity coming from 2 people (Adam and Eve) is a fairy story. That’s what biology tells us (not enough genetic diversity). I assume the same goes for all the other animals and such as well. For some reason, their god is a low number producer and then he wants fucking to increase the population.
The flood story is a myth as well.
In Mark 16:17-18, Jesus says:
"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
^^^^That can also be tested by present day believers. Let’s see them swallow 50 g of KCN. Obviously, they are going to die.
“Miracles described in the bible for example we can not put them to the test”
==Not even Mark 16:17?
As for the dead guys (Moses, Abraham, Mohamed, Jesus), yes, they are dead and will remain dead. These religions sell a fantasy. It is sad seeing a Christian waiting for his Jesus to descend from the clouds (See Louis Theroux documentary on televangelists)
“Probably from donations or other sources of income, but the point here is that nobody is forced to donate to the religion. Islam does not require any money on the part of the believer. Duh we all need money to buy food and such .. that is why we have jobs .. has nothing to do with religion..”
==That’s true however, this is due to numbers. When a church first opens their door, they have their boys going around and encouraging people to come. By getting their numbers up, it is guarantees that some will be big tippers and some will be small tippers.
So a church doesn’t have a fixed income. It has a variable income based on who goes there.
I have heard that for the Westboro Baptist Church and mormons, you must give 10% of your income to them.
Islam does not require money? How do they build their building and fix it? Perhaps the believers do it for free.
The problem with being a psychic is that you need to give the client results. If they make it “pay is optional”, they might not get payed quite often. Priests don’t have to resolve problems. They just sell a dream. So that’s why the pay system is different for both cases.
“That comparison is beyond ridiculous. A psychics does a reading over the phone for 700$”
==I doubt that all psychics cost that much.
“That is the obvious scam”
==For, me it looks like a scam. For the people who go back to the 700$ and pay more and more, I guess it isn’t a scam.
People go to their church and drop 10$ or 20$ every weak. On top of that, the priest just does a generalized speech for the crowd of 100. That’s 1000 to 2000$ per weak.
So, what do you want to discuss now. Obvious vs non obvious scams?
“So you remain a dumb fool, you're welcome.”
==Thank you sir, may I have another.
Listen kid. Stop going to church and dump your religion in the trash where it belongs.
Grow some balls. Accept that you are an ape. You will die one day and become what you were before: just a pile of molecules that get recycled by other lifeforms.
PS: it also looks like you aren’t aware of the failed prophecies of the bible.
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+Turtle Tail:
"The bible literally NEVER says to kill the homosexuals. It may say something similar to that in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. Idk why everyone thinks Christianity is bad; the foundation of it is forgiveness and love. Extremists like the KKK and WBC give it a bad name, and honestly that's just sad."
==Perhaps they didn't specify it because it is written already. I don't know what was going through the heads of the early members. However, they do state:
Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.
==Sounds like to me he doesn't change his rules.
Why would an omniscient god send some guy (a so-called prophet) once in a few centuries just to change rules? If this god is about forgiveness and love, then how come he can't forgive Adam? Why does he make more humans if humans are sinners? Just make one of the other intelligent sinless creatures. Why does he make muslims, mormons, hindus, atheist, and a ton of other people who aren't going to obey him?
The same thing is repeated here :
1 Peter 1:24
All people are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord endures forever.
The same thing is repeated here :
Psalm 19:7
The law of the Lord is perfect, refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
^^^^^^^^^^^^The old laws aren't abolished. Jews were waitng for a messiah to save them from their overlords, which is Rome. Jesus wasn't able to save them so he isn't the messiah. They had a war with Rome and the jews lost and were massacred. Their temple was flattened.
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@PlubusDomis :
"1st Law of Thermodynamics - "matter or energy, cannot be created or destroyed, they can only change.""
==That's not what the 1st law of Thermodynamics says.
Let's take a look at what it actually says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
===The law of conservation of energy.===
"This states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. However, energy can change forms, and energy can flow from one place to another. A particular consequence of the law of conservation of energy is that the total energy of an isolated system does not change."
Thermodynamics is limited to how energy behaves.
The idea of conservation of mass comes from chemistry. New compounds can be made through chemical reactions but new mass is not created and mass is not destroyed during chemical reactions.
^^^^^^Those come from classical physics.
In modern physics, it is understood that mass can be converted to energy
Example 1: during chemical reactions but this not measurable since the mass change is so small.
Example 2: During fission or fusion of nuclei
Example 3: when a particle and anti-particle encounter each other, they annihilate each other, 2 photons are produced.
Example 4: When a photon of sufficient energy passes through a strong electric field, a particle and anti-particle is created and the photon is annihilated.
"The Big Bang was confirmed True by the cosmic background radiation in space, telling us our universe was Not always here. So the beginning of our universe breaks the first natural Law with a fantastic explosion of material, light, and energy all from absolutely nothing. This is only logical by a supernatural force. Supernatural only meaning superior to what is natural; An entity separate from our logic."
==No, you are way off. That is not what the Big Bang theory says.
The Big Bang theory does not say that it violates any known Physics or Chemistry laws.
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from but that source is wrong.
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@biffalobull2335 “Being a bigot against religion is equal to be a racist against a person of color“
==I understand racism. It means to treat an entire group of people a certain way, usually by taking away their human rights, because of their skin color (usually it is about skin color).
Most people think that it is unfair to not grant them certain right based on that, so they made the word racism to describe this situation.
“We always tell children to ‘find your way’ and ‘think things through’ rather than blindly accepting what their parents teach them.”
==That’s good.
So, this means that we are both thinking things through and yet, we ended up with a different view.
That’s the find that I wonder about. If we are all thinking things through, if we are all logical and looking at the evidence, then how can humans end up claiming that multiple religions are true?
“Then when they do and determine for themselves that an Intelligent Being is the most logical conclusion, individuals like yourselves try to Poo Poo it”
==I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that I should not talk about christianity?
Or are you saying that I am not doing it correctly?
“That’s bigotry.”
==Can you modify what I wrote to make it non biguous?
“If you want logic, try explaining why it’s racist to say 13% of the population commits 50% of the crime”
==I have heard this claim before. I have not verified it however, if it is a fact, then by my logic, it is not racist to talk about facts.
“Or why it’s homophobic to explain chromosomes”
==What?
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@mesudkucuk7178 "Armenia never excist"
==Are you sure? It is mentionned by many cultures. It is even in the Bible.
2 Kings 19:35 KING JAMES VERSION
And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses. {19:36} So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh. {19:37} And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead.
Isaiah 37:36 KING JAMES VERSION
Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses. {37:37} So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh. {37:38} And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Armenia: and Esar-haddon his son reigned in his stead.
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Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha "same number if people who died from the flu and upper respiratory infections in previous years....curious, yes?"
==Another guy told me the same thing once and I checked it out for myself and it turns out he is either lying or just spreading misinformation without being aware that it is misinformation.
For example, check out the article on snopes.
They have written:
As governments fight the COVID-19 pandemic, Snopes is fighting an “infodemic” of rumors and misinformation, and you can help. Read our coronavirus fact checks. Submit any questionable rumors and “advice” you encounter. Become a Founding Member to help us hire more fact-checkers. And, please, follow the CDC or WHO for guidance on protecting your community from the disease.
Someone named Rogan O’Handley says COVID has a lower death rate than the flu yet we don’t mandate masks for the flu so why are we doing it for COVID?! Oh right, Democrat fearmongering.
This claim is false and dangerously downplays the severity of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. In terms of the case fatality rate, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) describes as the number of people who die from a given condition, medical experts argue that COVID-19 is, in fact, deadlier than the seasonal flu. Though COVID-19 fatality rates vary largely depending on available medical infrastructure within a country, Johns Hopkins University of Medicine reports that the U.S. is among the 20 countries most affected by the virus and has a mortality rate of 3.4%. By comparison, flu infections over the last decade have resulted in a mortality rate hovering around 0.1%.
You can read the rest of the article on their website. I am not going to quote the entire thing here.
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@Smokedouttasian I don’t know what technology you want to invent that you regard as the perfect solution, but there has been a strong push back for EV.
I think it was the Ford EV1. It was part of the contract that you do not own it. Ford took all the vehicles back, crush them, destroyed them.
Behind the scene, my guess is that at Ford and the same goes for the other large companies, research into new battery technology was banned. Developing an EV is banned.
The only solution was a new company: Tesla.
Ford and such large companies offered Telsa to come and sell it at their dealership. Tesla refused. Tesla sold directly to consumers and became a large success.
How is it that Ford, Chrysler, GM, Lincoln, Volkwagen, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota are well established and could not do this themselves?
There is something weird going on.
What about Dell, Apple, Compaq, HP and the other megacorporations? They are unable to make an easily repairable and parts interchangeable cellphone and laptop?
Yet, you have the PinePhone, Tuxedo, Framework who are small guys and they do exactly that.
How is that possible?
The big corporations do exactly what they want to do, they know what they want to know, they don’t know what they don’t want to know.
“the average citizen changing their life to a sustainable one will not make a difference its already proven in many studies, the only ways we can mitigate human effects on the climate is we need to invent new tech and techniques for resource collection”
==I am interested in these studies. Show them to me.
Look at the difference between Alberta and Quebec.
Alberta wants to push for mining their oil sands.
The natives who live near there and other people are against it since processing oil sands is very polluting.
I would like to know if Alberta has any plans long term.
Look at Quebec. They are putting vehicle charging places all over the place.
Most of the energy production or all of it is Hydro power.
They calculate that if all vehicles are converted to EV, Quebec will need 3.5 Romain power plants. Romain is the name of one of their power plants. I don’t know how how many megawatt it produces.
They are already building one or near completion.
2 y or 1 y ago, they signed a 24 billion$ contract to sell power to New York.
//Edit: I think Romaine-1 is a 1550 MW station.
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@MarcelNL "Electric cars can be decent if the infrastructure supports it. Here in The Netherlands it's really no problem to have one since there are charging stations everywhere, but I can understand that in the States it's a whole different story."
==In Quebec, the government is investing heavily into an infrastructure and building new power plants. The power plants here are hydro power.
Hydro-Quebec signed a 24 billion $ contract with New York, to sell them electricity for 5 or 10 y.
It is mostly republicans, Ford and such that make fun of the electric car. Look at Tesla. They worked hard and made a successful company.
It is important to remove the businessmen out of power positions, like the government and insert scientists and engineers.
Donald, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert spend a lot of time being anti electric cars and anti solar power.
Donald thinks that at night time, you won’t have power with solar power and you will live in the dark. LOL.
There was a video of Donald saying that electric tanks are ridiculous. Trying to save the ecology is ridiculous.
No, electric tanks are not about saving the ecology, Mr Donald.
China is doing research on it bc they want quiet tanks.
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When the soviet union broke down in 1991, we got a look at what is going on in Armenia.
Yerevan (the capital) looks great. Everywhere else, things look run down, not maintained. The farmers don’t have farm equipment. A lot of them live in shacks (think of Willy, the groundskeeper, from the Simpsons. The shacks are made of cinder blocks and sheet metal.
30 y later and things have not improved.
I heard that a certain Quebec farmer visited Armenia, he saw the situation, and donated his tractor.
I had heard that during soviet times, a certain person pulled some strings, he obtained enough money. They designed an opera house or some concert hall. A lot of the workers worked for cheap, since they are patriotic. Eventually, it was finished. News of this reached the Kremlin and they sent their people and burned it down.
And there are all sorts of other stories about the soviet russians.
Since the war of 44 days, in Sep 2020, since Armenia lost Kharabagh/Artsakh to Azerbaijan, partially bc of the russians, Israel, ISIS, some political leaders want to move closer tot he west.
Recently, they voted and agreed with the ICC. Putin is considered a war criminal in Armenia and will be arrested bc of what he is doing in Ukraine.
Putin declared that Armenia is their enemy and all the newspapers in Russia printed it.
Did I mention that Armenia is Russia’s closest ally until recently? Armenia’s fought nazi troops alongside russians during WW2. How quickly they forget their allies.
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+Caden McDonough:
"Darwinism is a system that doesnt require a god to function thats why its corrosive."
==1. It is not called Darwinism. It is called Evolution Theory.
2. In science, the person who makes the discovery is not important and in fact, Charles Darwin is not the only discoverer in this case. It was a collaborative effort. He sourced a lot of material from others and compiled a book. For example, someone named Alfred who didn't have a formal scientific training, contributed what he had documented.
3. If these guys had not discovered it, then someone else would have. This is because science is an open system. Also, they are all Europeans because Europeans were advanced in the sciences while the rest of the world was stuck in the bronze age. Notice how jews in Israel never made any discoveries. They were stuck in the bronze age as well along with the turks.
4. There is no god mentioned in anything scientific. The reason for that is that it is a waste of time to say "god did this or god did not". It leads to nowhere. Also, which god are you going to put in a scientific paper?
5. In religion, there is always a main guy. The big cheese. The master leader. The believers place a huge value into the "master leader". In the case of christianity, the master leader is Jesus. When the leader dies, the followers spin various stories and eventually they disagree and split up. This is why there are 37,000 different christian sects.
6. The "gospels" was just some scribling on various goat skins using insect juice. That is exactly what I would expect as an atheist.
7. There were multiple christian sects right from the 1st century. We can see the evidence in the bible itself. There are 4 gospels and they can't get their stories straight. This is an indication that parts of it are simply made up.
8. The bible was written in koin greek. What the heck? Why isn't it in hebrew?
8. The bible was compiled by europeans in the 4th century. An incredibly large amount of time had past.Howcome? Where are Jesus's stuff? Where is this guy's family? Where are his cloths, his tomb, his writings? It is very bizarre that someone who is suppose to be a son of a god leaves no evidence behind except for "ink on paper" written by unknown authors.
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@damminers49 :
You also disagreed with the point that Jens Raab was making.
Jens Raab says:
"Oh, and another thing: all sciences presuppose naturalism. Can you name one that doesn't?"
Why not look at what science is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Natural_science
"Modern natural science is the successor to the natural philosophy"
So science itself has a foundation in natural philosophy. The idea is to use the inductive method: observe nature, collect data, when enough data is collected, try to explain the data, form laws, form models. This initial explanation is the hypothesis. The hypothesis gets refined over time until it is acceptable to the vast majority of scientists and it gets promoted to the status of scientific theory.
Saying that "the gods did it" or some other type of fairy creature is not an explanation that will be respected in science.
Those kinds of "explanations", and I use the term very loosely, are part of the religion of the particular scientist and it is expected that he will leave his religious leanings and political biases aside.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_philosophy
"Modern meanings of the terms science and scientists date only to the 19th century. Before that, science was a synonym for knowledge or study, in keeping with its Latin origin. The term gained its modern meaning when experimental science and the scientific method became a specialized branch of study apart from natural philosophy."
You wrote:
"Not all sciences presuppose naturalism"
Ok, give me an example of a scientific field that doesn't presuppose naturalism.
"Second, I was very clear in stating that science doesn’t presuppose, but scientists do"
==First off, you should educated yourself as to what science is.
Second, science is done by scientists and they have agreed as to what constitutes science.
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@PlubusDomis :
"Must I really go on with more science? I thought I already said enough. Okay, since you asked! Most people bring up the Miller-Urey experiment and similar procedures to"
==Hello,
I received a notification that started with that text but I am not seeing your post here.
I didn't bring up the Miller-Urey experiment but I assume what you want to tell me is:
1. It was a failure because it did not form a cell
2. It formed 11 out of the 20 amino acids but this is of no interest to biologists. It did not form proteins, enzymes, DNA, RNA, mitochondria and other cell structures.
3. It was a racemic mixture of amino acids. L and D isomers were produced, with a 50-50 presence. I have have heard in a creationist show that this is death and not life since when a creature dies, the L isomers slowly change until an equilibrium is attained (a 50-50 racemic mixture).
4. Oxygen was not added as one of the gases. If oxygen was added, no amino acids would be produced since oxygen preferentially binds to the CH4, NH3, H2 and you end up with CO2, N2, H2O.
5. They were guessing as to what the conditions of early Earth was like. Nobody was there to witness early Earth, therefore, they were guessing and guesses are not allowed in science.
I think that just about covers the points that creationists bring up as to the Miller-Urey experiment.
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@abcd123 456789 :
It's a case of the turkish military attacking civilians.
This is the page about Dashnag (aka ARF) however, the turks have done the same to the greeks, to the assyrians, bulgarians, georgians, romanians.
So what do you expect? Do you expect us to just sit down quitely.
Be honest. If you were a greek or armenian, would you be ok with what the turks have done?
We are not the ones who invaded your Turkmenistan or your Mongolia.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Revolutionary_Federation#Russian_Empire
"The ARF became a major political force in Armenian life. It was especially active in the Ottoman Empire, where it organized or participated in many revolutionary activities. In 1894, the ARF took part in the Sasun Resistance, supplying arms to the local population to help the people of Sasun defend themselves against the Hamidian purges.[46] In June 1896, the Armenakans organized the Defense of Van in the province of Van, where Ottoman Hamidieh soldiers were to attack the city. The Armenakans, assisted by members of the Hunchakian and ARF parties, supplied all able-bodied men of Van with weapons. They rose to defend the civilians from the attack and subsequent massacre"
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@spencerreed1381 It’s deadly to some. It also causes lung damage to some and they survive but who knows if it reduced their life span. It seems to be effecting different organs in different people. It seems to effect veins, the brain. I don’t see many people discussing that part.
According to wikipedia, there are 206,772,296 confirmed cases and 4,354,701 deaths. That comes out to 2.1% at most since there are likely unconfirmed cases as well.
All vaccines work the same way. Your white cells build up memory so that when the real virus invades, the virus is dealt with quickly. When the real virus invades, it reduces the time for recovery. You might not feel sick or you might feel a little sick when the real virus invades.
However, there are no guarantees. In some people, it does not work.
When it comes to healthcare, it often involves statistics.
So, the question is, should the virus be spread?
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@nexusofice9135 :
"and that is the same statement that crazies give when they can't back up or support their "data" that they give. Welcome to the vicious cycle.
Care to offer any substantiated information? Or just continue on with the tin foil hat about "the big business threat"?"
==I'll try to find something.
Source:
https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation
"While transparent to visible light, carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, absorbing and emitting infrared radiation at its two infrared-active vibrational frequencies (see the section "Structure and bonding" above). Light emission from the earth's surface is most intense in the infrared region between 200 and 2500 cm−1, as opposed to light emission from the much hotter sun which is most intense in the visible region. Absorption of infrared light at the vibrational frequencies of atmospheric carbon dioxide traps energy near the surface, warming the surface and the lower atmosphere. Less energy reaches the upper atmosphere, which is therefore cooler because of this absorption."
Source:
https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=35
"An enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 has been confirmed by multiple lines of empirical evidence. Satellite measurements of infrared spectra over the past 40 years observe less energy escaping to space at the wavelengths associated with CO2. Surface measurements find more downward infrared radiation warming the planet's surface. This provides a direct, empirical causal link between CO2 and global warming."
"The greenhouse gas qualities of carbon dioxide have been known for over a century. In 1861, John Tyndal published laboratory results identifying carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas that absorbed heat rays (longwave radiation). Since then, the absorptive qualities of carbon dioxide have been more precisely quantified by decades of laboratory measurements (Herzberg 1953, Burch 1962, Burch 1970, etc)."
"This result has been confirmed by subsequent papers using more recent satellite data. The 1970 and 1997 spectra were compared with additional satellite data from the NASA AIRS satellite launched in 2003 (Griggs 2004). This analysis was extended to 2006 using data from the AURA satellite launched in 2004 (Chen 2007). Both papers found the observed differences in CO2 bands matching the expected changes from rising carbon dioxide levels. Thus we have empirical evidence that increased CO2 is causing an enhanced greenhouse effect."
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@markanthony3275 :
You had written:
"A group of 500 leading scientists........"
==I was under the impression that you were talking about scientists that study the climate. When I did a web search, I found
1. One guy is doing acoustics, geophysics and innovation management.
2. geological engineering and seismology
3. NZ wine industry
4. Applied Science Geology, and is a Fellow of the Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy.
5. philosopher of science
6. biologist <======= This guys might have something interesting to say. Has he observed any negative impacts on aquatic life?
7. a civil engineer working on planning and real-time applications for drivers and vehicles.
8. “climate, planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, planetary atmospheres, and hydrodynamic instability,” <============This guy might be interesting but he has associated himself with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
"In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[3][4]:233–34[5] Since the 2000s, the Heartland Institute has been a leading promoter of climate change denial."
9. His current research areas include both philosophy of science and technology as well as political philosophy and the philosophy of medicine.
10. Electrical Engineering
11. geologist
12. mathematics
13. Chemistry. his professional career at the federal Umweltbundesamt (environmental protection agency) <===========This guy might be interesting
14. Conservative political advisor, UKIP political candidate
I haven't checked the entire list and perhaps some of my information is off.
However, if my information is spot on, are these guys the experts? Have they studied the climate?
"If a known prostitute was an eyewitness to a murder...is her testimony null and void because she's a prostitute?"
==There is a difference between testimony and evidence. In court systems, evidence is preferred since it is more reliable. As for testimony, there is no way to scan a human brain to verify if the person is lying or not.
In science, evidence is preferred.
"All this information you cite to try to nullify what some of these scientists testimony"
==My point was that they are not working in climatology. They are in other fields.
Scientists tend to specialize in different topics.
When I read "500 leading scientists", I was surprised that so many researchers disagree bc up to this point, from what I have read, the data support global warming and the experts agree.
"And I do know which side is telling the truth because I own a copy of the book in which the world elites ADMITTED THEY MADE UP CLIMATE CHANGE AS A FALSE CRISIS"
==Well ok. I guess my question would be why do you believe that particular book?
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@markanthony3275 :
"A group of 500 leading scientists that study climate and related issues signed a letter to tell the U.N. that there is no climate emergency"
==Be careful of where you get your information from. Here is some information about those "scientists":
“Guus” Berkhout (born 1940) is a Dutch engineer who has worked for the oil and gas industry, and as a professor. Berkhout started his career working for Shell. Between 1976 and 2007, he served as professor of acoustics, geophysics and innovation management.
Reynauld Du Berger is emeritus professor of geophysics at the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi. His background is in geological engineering and seismology. A search of Google Scholar returns six results for Reynald Du Berger, all in the area of seismology. He does not appear to have published research in peer-reviewed journals on the subject of climate.
Terry Dunleavy was is a former journalist and commercial printer, and has been involved in the NZ wine industry for many years.
Viv Forbes is the Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, which was created to “defend the role of carbon on earth and in the atmosphere,” and is a pasture manager, soil scientist and geologist from Rosevale in Queensland. He has a Degree in Applied Science Geology, and is a Fellow of the Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy.
Dr. Jeffrey Foss is a philosopher of science, Professor Emeritus at the University of Victoria, Canada, and author of Beyond Environmentalism: A Philosophy of Nature.
Morten Jødal is a biologist. He has worked with the fields of biology and chemistry in the Research Council of Norway, as well as with the research programs aquaculture, genetic engineering, acid rainfall and the ecology of the Arctic ice edge
Rob Lemeire is a civil engineer working on planning and real-time applications for drivers and vehicles.
Richard S. Lindzen is former Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), a position he held from 1983 until his retirement in 2013. He is the Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute’s Center for the Study of Science. Lindzen’s academic interests lie within the topics of “climate, planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, planetary atmospheres, and hydrodynamic instability,” according to his faculty profile at MIT. The Cato Institute, a conservative think tank where Lindzen has also published numerous articles and studies, has received at least $125,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. In his 1995 article, “The Heat Is On,” Ross Gelbspan reported Lindzen charged oil and coal organizations $2,500 per day for his consulting services. In addition to his position at Cato, Lindzen is listed as an “Expert” with the Heartland Institute, a member of the “Academic Advisory Council” of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), and an advisor to the CO2 Coalition, a group promoting the benefits of atmospheric carbon dioxide. As part of a March 2018 legal case between the cities of San Francisco and Oakland and fossil fuel companies, Lindzen was asked by the judge to disclose any connections he had to connected parties. In response, Lindzen reported that he had received $25,000 per year for his position at the Cato Institute since 2013. He also disclosed $1,500 from the Texas Public Policy Foundation for a “climate science lecture” in 2017, and approximately $30,000 from Peabody Coal in connection to testimony Lindzen gave at a proceeding of the Minnesota Public Utilities Commissions in September 2015.
Ingemar Nordin is professor emeritus at the Department of Culture and Communication at Linköping University. As a student, Nordin read both mathematics and physics as well as philosophy. The doctoral dissertation from 1980 deals with determinism and quantum mechanics. His current research areas include both philosophy of science and technology as well as political philosophy and the philosophy of medicine.
Jim O’Brien is a Corporate Social Responsibility/Energy Consultant who had a 39-year career in the building materials sector; he is actively consulting on a global basis in CSR and energy-related challenges and opportunities. Jim is Honorary President of UEPG, the European Aggregates Association. Jim qualified with a First Class Honours Degree in Electrical Engineering (BE) in 1968 and a Master of Engineering Science Degree (MEngSc) in 1970.
Alberto Prestininzi ias a geologist and engineer.
Benoît Rittaud is a senior lecturer in mathematics at the University of Paris.
Fritz Vahrenholt studied Chemistry in Münster and started his professional career at the federal Umweltbundesamt (environmental protection agency) in Berlin and the Ministry for Environment of Hesse. In 1998 he entered the energy industry and until 2001 was on the Board of Deutsche Shell AG, a Shell subsidiary.
Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is a British public speaker known for his work as a journalist, Conservative political advisor, UKIP political candidate, and for his invention of the mathematical puzzle Eternity. Early on in his public speaking career topics centred on his mathematical puzzle and conservative politics. In recent years his public speaking has garnered attention due to his denial of climate change. He may be most famous for having falsely claimed to be a member of the House of Lords.
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@lastrebel666ify I don't know what the big deal is. People keep saying Turdeau.
There is something about an application for navigation that cost some ridiculous amount: 54 M$.
When I watch something on Donald, I can see how he is lying, he says he wants to date his daughter, he makes crude remarks about women and his opponents, spends way too much time golfing, leaks military information to some business man and chinese spies, he keeps secret documents in unsecured location, he says he is suppose to be bring back manufacturing jobs but he didn’t do anything, he doesn’t pay taxes, gives tax breaks for the rich, he makes wild claims like Obama is the president, he wastes a lot of time on twitter just makes posts about attacking his political opponents every night. He makes claims but doesn’t release any video tapes.
Lauren Bobert has been exposed as someone who doesn’t know politics. She is having some affair at a children’s show of Beetlejuice yet claims to be a christian.
Marjori Taylor Green shows porn in the House.
Micheal Lindel makes nonsense claims and gets into a legal battle with Dominion Enterprises and owes them millions. He also owes 5 M$ to a mathematician that showed his data is nothing.
Just recently, the majority of republican voted to keep George Santos, a criminal, in the House. The democrats voted to kick him out, so he is out.
But I don’t see much about Justin. What did he lie about?
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@alexiaotoo2946 :
"there have been so many different religions and different Gods that have come up but with time a lot of these religions or Gods have fallen down and have been proven wrong"
==Not necessarily. For example, the king of the byzantine empire, Constantine, accepted christianity, he had told his soldiers that he saw a omen. (The byzantine empire is what followed the Roman empire once the Roman empire lost cohesion and fell. The byzantines were greeks.). Omen just means sign. He told his soldiers that he saw a cross in the sign and that it was the voice of Jesus that said go and conquer in my name. Since people were supersitious back then, they believe that the reason they won was because of that particular god.
The christians quickly took power. Constantine began giving funds to the christian priests. They would attack priests from greek religion, mythraism, etc. They would rob them of their churches and convert them to christian churches. They also murder anyone who would not convert to christianity.
^^^^^^^^^These are the types of stories that they won't tell you in sunday school. Yes, I have been to a christian school and I was a christian.
"but how come over 2,019 yrs the same God and the same religion is still going on meaning there is definitely something there"
==That's called an argument ad populum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-GYnNsDLDM
In other words, you are saying X is true because a large number of people believe it.
Is something true just because it is popular? When the entire population has not seen any evidence and simply believes because their parents tell them to believe, is that a good system?
Wouldn't it be better to have actual evidence?
For one thing, hinduism is an older religion compared to judaism.
Also, christianity and islam are popular and have taken over the arab and european world because they have found the recipe for success: fear (Hell).
Coca-Cola has also found the recipe for success: glucose-fructose or sucrose.
"what about wind you can’t touch it or see it but you can feel it and know it’s there same with God and I hope that one day just one day u experiment going to a church just go and see if u experience anything if u don’t that’s fine but u never know till u try"
==Like I said a few lines above, I use to be a christian.
As for wind, everyone beleives that wind exists. You don't have to be told that it exists. Anyone with a sense of pressure can detect it. It can also be measured with instruments (meteorology). Wind isn't something undetectable or something that can't be experimented with.
All that wind is is a gas that moves around. Since gases and liquids are fluid, they can change shape and you can get convection.
The wind in your everyday experience is just air molecules moving around and the chemical composition of air is known: About 79% nitrogen, 19% oxygen, 0.98% argon, 0.04 CO2, etc.
Here you go if you want to see the full composition of air:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth
Also, the reason why you don't see air is because the photons that we see don't interact with it. They just pass straight through.
For other chemicals, such as NO2, Cl2, Br2, I2, visible light does interact with them.
I suggest that you study chemistry and physics.
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@owatson7648 In my case, I don’t drink ethanol since it burns my throat, such as in the case of whiskey, vodka. Wine and beer doesn’t taste good. If it is one of those drink called coolers, I think they contain 0.5% ethanol, those taste good.
I don’t understand how other people drink whiskey and such.
I don’t understand how they handle smoking.
Just pork on its own doesn’t taste as good. Same for beef. They require seasoning.
Bacon is very good.
Yes, I have heard that jeinsertwordws put in a lot of effort to wash a steak.
I’m pretty sure that these religions, and all religions are man made. The religious leader doesn’t have the talent to do scientific research, so the possibility of discovering refrigeration is out of reach for him. Humans access the lowest hanging fruits first on the apple tree. So, the easiest thing to do was to claim that the gods forbid it after he had a lot of stomach pain. Hundreds of years later, people worship such rules as being absolute perfect rules from a perfect god.
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@truthmatters758 Yes, catholic is a fusion of what the romans believed in. For example, Saturnalia and Christmas are related. Apparently, Saturnalia lasts 1 month. It is a month where masters serve their servants. The master also gives the servant gifts. The last day if saturnalia is the day of christmas. It is strange that it occurs 7 days before Jan 1. In the orthodox type of christianity, they have decided to celebrate 6 days after Jan 1.
Christianity is a mishmash religion. It integrates elements of the cultures around Israel. It includes the hades of the Greek religion. The drawings of Satan are based on Pam and Neptune and the god of the underworld. Christianity also borrows from the Roman religion, egyptian, mythraism, babylonian religions.
Which Bible prophecy came true? Bible prophecies tend to be vague and general and dateless and so, they are elastic.
I used to be christian. I would say that all gods and religions are man made. They seem to come from prehistory, from primitive people who didn’t understand how the universe works or why they exist.
The god of the jews is a god among many thousands of others. In fact, it looks like they were polytheists and then they decided to worship of there gods. The hebrews/jews also were multiple tribes with different traditions, different oral history. This explains why there are 2 versions of the Genesis story.
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@denisethompson1035 It’s not about fighting you. It is about accuracy and logic.
I won’t burn. Neither will you or anyone. I recommend that you stop living in fear.
Judaism doesn’t even have the concept of a torture room. You should look into the development of the christian religion. A certain cult took the concept of hell from the greek religion. It’s the idea of the underworld. Christianity is a mishmash religion of whatever existed in the local area.
“The saints have been beheaded, burned, and tortured since they crucified Jesus.”
==Those are terrible things and that was a long time ago. Fortunately, the european culture has evolved and treats humans with some dignity.
“The bible clearly says that they still alive will have to die the same way. It also says that the word is the only path to salvation.”
==It can say those things if it wants but those things are called just-so stories. There isn’t anything verifiable in there.
“The bible has been changed and censored for centuries.”
==That’s normal. Once the master leader dies (Jesus in this case), the followers try to preserve the religion by writing it down. However, in this case, 50 to 125 y have passed since the actual events. The bible is not newspaper clippings. The gospels are anonymously written. We don’t know who wrote them. We don’t know anything about the people who wrote them. Maybe they were deluded. Maybe they had mental problems.
This is why, the bible doesn’t get classified as history. It goes into the religion category.
Yes, over time, the originals have degraded. Over time, scribes have made copies. How could these so-called holy text degrade and turn to dust? Couldn’t this god make something of a better material instead of insect juice, metal oxides, goat skin and papyrus?
That’s the tools of primitive humans.
“Burning alive, is very popular in some countries. If you have truly read the Bible, you know I speak truth.”
==It doesn’t take a genius to write that some christians are going to get tortured and killed. In fact, these were things already happening when the bible was written (as loose leaf).
Some people can’t tolerate people of other religions. Some people can’t even tolerate a different hairstyle or jeans or lipstick.
It’s a huge planet with all sorts of people.
“and the evil will burn.”
==The important thing is that I don’t burn and torture and hurt people. I am against such barbaric behavior. The god/Jesus of the bible comes from barbaric times.
The past is the past and I can’t change it. The people who wrote the Bible were living in the past and they imagined a god from their time period. A hateful, vengeful, angry, violent, killer person that throws people into a torture chamber. Try not to be like that Jesus character.
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@wrongthinker350 I understand that quite a lot of people have a negative view of politicians but all they do is take the information coming from the experts and make decisions accordingly. Anyway, some of them do. Some of them, such as Donald seem to be treating average joe commentator as an expert.
Initially, CV wasn't well understood, so Canada and the USA delayed closing their borders. Even when there was reports of deaths, the governments were not willing to close down borders. Obviously, they didn't want to damage the economy. I think Canada closed its borders in the middle of March 2020. The USA was in the hands of a businessman who wanted to make America great, so naturally, he delayed a lot longer.
Sweden decided not to place any restrictions and it helped spread the vir quite a bit. Their economy was doing well at first, but eventually it tanked.
Brazil also had a conservative type and he also pretended that there was no problem and made things worst.
I think starting in summer 2021, Donald claimed credit for fast vix development. Initially, he seemed to be an anti-thing guy and was talking about bleach and other products that were already shown to be ineffective. He wasn't interested in what the experts had to say and seemed to be reading social comments from tweeter or something.
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@rdoli454 It does have a reason to be feared. It was spreading quickly and a lot of people died + it does do damage to lungs, the internal walls of veins and more.
At the same time, this is a period where there is anti go mentvermont sentiment (since ~1960) and with the combination of the internet.
So, I think that whenever a virus will spread, people will suspect that the go mentvermont wants to stroy them.
In the past, people believed that someone had sinned, or that someone was sleeping around, or someone had committed a murder, or that someone was not worshipping the right god or was worshipping the devil.
It's as if people get surprised when there is a problem. They don't suspect nature. It's as if they think nature doesn't have a huge bags of viruses, bacteria, and dangerous substances.
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@loobell3236 I looked into it. I found a couple of websites that basically say the same thing. One is from jpaulson on his blog. Another is vaccinechoicecanada.
He makes it sound that the Moderna vaccine is highly damaging. How is it that this went unnoticed by Moderna and the testers?
One source says: After trials on more than 30,000 people showed the Moderna vaccine to be 94 percent effective against Covid-19.
There is a batch of 500,000 that has been shipped to Britain.
Also, Dr. Charles D. Hoffe must have obtained the vaccine from somewhere, right? Why is he sending a letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry instead of contacting his doctors association?
This doctor must have other doctors that he contacts, right? He isn’t alone I imagine. At least in the chemistry world and elsewhere, researchers have contacts.
His letter only has his name.
He says numerous allergic reactions, with two cases of anaphylaxis but why doesn’t he give a number?
He says:
So in short, in our small community of Lytton, BC, we have one person dead, and three people who look as though they will be permanently disabled, following their first dose of the Moderna vaccine.
And that’s on 900 administration of the vaccine. I would say that that is a very nasty vaccine but the problem is Dr. Charles D. Hoffe is alone it seems. His open letter is only present on anti-vaxer websites rather than websites belonging to the medical community.
So, what should we make of this?
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@loobell3236 I looked into it. I found a couple of websites that basically say the same thing. One is from jpaulson on his blog. Another is vaccinechoicecanada.
He makes it sound that the Moderna vaccine is highly damaging. How is it that this went unnoticed by Moderna and the testers?
One source says: After trials on more than 30,000 people showed the Moderna vaccine to be 94 percent effective against Covid-19.
There is a batch of 500,000 that has been shipped to Britain.
Also, Dr. Charles D. Hoffe must have obtained the vaccine from somewhere, right? Why is he sending a letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry instead of contacting his doctors association?
This doctor must have other doctors that he contacts, right? He isn’t alone I imagine. At least in the chemistry world and elsewhere, researchers have contacts.
His letter only has his name.
He says numerous allergic reactions, with two cases of anaphylaxis but why doesn’t he give a number?
He says:
So in short, in our small community of Lytton, BC, we have one person dead, and three people who look as though they will be permanently disabled, following their first dose of the Moderna vaccine.
And that’s on 900 administration of the vaccine. I would say that that is a very nasty vaccine but the problem is Dr. Charles D. Hoffe is alone it seems. His open letter is only present on anti-vaxer websites rather than websites belonging to the medical community.
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@4pharaoh The cool-aid expression comes from a certain christian group that committed suicide by drinking flavor aid. It was a church started by a paranoid person named Jim Jones. He killed himself and his men gunned down a politician and his aids.
Most of the science deniers these days seem to be of that type, such as you.
The flu is still around. You can get tested and they can tell you. If you test positive for COVID-19, you get added to the database and this gets reported on the news and various other official outlets.
There is no reason to think that the government is out to get you. Stop reading random stories from people you don’t know on the web. Like I said, any bozo can rent a webserver, setup a forum, a blog and spread none sense on the web. The web is an open platform and any none professional can sit behind the keyboard and anonymously spread rumors.
The COVID-19 is not going to go away easily in freedom loving countries such as Canada, USA, Australia.
It’s going to cripple the economy further and cause more health damage since there are people helping it spread. People like you.
There is always a price to pay. That’s what I told a native american some weeks ago. He thinks that abandoning his ancestral ways and living the european lifestyle is good. Granted, he is making good money. But, there is always a price to pay.
If you want freedom and you really want to go to church so that your master leader saves your soul, then there will be a price to pay.
“They just renamed it Covid”
==Oh yes. In the scientific community, it’s easy to get away with none sense. That’s why they require top marks and original research to get a PHD. Sure thing buddy!
Dude, wake up. In the scientific community, they will tear you apart. One recent example are the 2 clowns that claimed to discover cold fusion.
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@4pharaoh I don’t think that getting the vaccine will make this problem go away because the virus has spread quite a bit. As it spends time in various human hosts, it will gain some mutations. Some of it will be damaging to itself but some will help it gain new features. This has already happened. There is a South African and an England strain already.
It’s the same with he HIV virus and basically, all viruses and bacteria.
Which one was the virus that was completely eliminated? Small pox. That one didn’t have so many hosts so the vaccine method worked. But who knows, maybe it still exists somewhere, in some animal.
The other reason the vaccine method will fail is that there is fear about it and there are religious aspects to all this.
There is a counter culture happening.
Therefore, such people will help the spread of the virus.
I asked you if you are religious but you didn’t answer. Why not be honest with me?
In countries where the government beats up the people, such as China, they can handle such disasters and they have.
Countries that don’t have a counter culture, such as South Korea and Japan will be able to handle this disaster.
No, I’m not saying that you should just stick to youtube. I’m saying that anybody can rent a server, setup a forum and creatively spread information. I use to get letters telling me that I have to send a copy of a letter to 10 people or else something bad will happen to me. That’s just one example. This world is filled with creative people with lots of imagination.
“Sorry son, I assume you are a paid troll.”
==I’m just trying to understand you.
What makes people want to believe in unsources random info from the web?
“people that can think independently.”
==How is thinking independently going to save you? How about the people around you? You do have family and friends right?
For example, someone who’s channel I follow, her cousin died of COVID-19. Is that something that you want?
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@sandystanley1237 The CO2 emissions from volcanic sources are being kept track of and their contribution is insignificant.
There is the Calvin cycle. C13 is a slightly more massive atom compared to C12. It is more sluggish and thus, it is slower in chemical reactions. The probability of a CO2 molecule in participating in the Calvin cycle is higher when the C atom is a C12. As a result, plants have a higher proportion of C12 compared to C13. This is called the C12 to C13 ratio. In other words, animals and plants are poor in C13. Geological sources of carbon, have a different C12/C13 ratio. They are richer in C13.
For petrol and coal, analysis shows that the C12/C13 ratio matches that of plants and animals, therefore, petrol and coal come from lifeforms.
Some people, such as christians have claimed that petrol and coal are geological and that they are continuously produced. The isotopic evidence above shows that they are wrong. Also, all coal is ancient. I think it is said that they are from 220 million y ago since this was a prime period where a lot of trees were produced but there were no decomposers. Once lignin decomposers came along, coal production stopped.
Also, coal deposits sometimes show wood patterns, leaf patterns, so this makes it very clear that coal is from a plant origin.
When humans burn petrol and coal, they release the C12/C13 ratio as CO2 into the atmosphere.
As a result, the CO2 in the atmosphere becomes C13 poorer. Then, it is a matter of bookkeeping. Since it is known how much coal and petrol is being burned, it is possible to calculate how much the C13 levels will be reduced in the atmosphere.
Some have suggested that the majority of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere is from volcanic sources. If that were the case, the C12/C13 ratio in the atmosphere would not drop, would not change.
“recently in Austria a Roman outpost was discovered in a receding glacier telling me there was no ice there then”
==I have never heard of it. Which paper reported that?
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@DJ_Indigo-Angel
16 y sounds fine.
I think the state needs to get involved. This is not like a case about getting the flu, getting asthma, getting vision problems. In those cases, most likely the parent takes the child to a doctor.
LGBT issues are tried up with religion, more specifically christianity since that is the major group in Canada.
It is mostly christian groups that oppose LGBT rights. They don’t want them to exist, or want them jailed, consider it a mental illness that can be treated with prayer, they don’t want them to get married, no job, don’t give service if they come into your restaurant and all that.
So, the state needs to step in since their fundamental rights are likely to get violated.
It is the same thing in the case of jehova witnesses who don’t want their child to get a blood transfusion. The state needs to make rules that overrides religious dogma.
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@Cdfitness90 “yes and if you look into the data of behavioral analysis and the big 5 personality traits youll see that men and women are nearly identical”
==Bruce Goldman and other researchers disagree with you. There is an innate difference between girls and boys, not just in humans, but also in other primates.
“ex men are more violent women are more emotionally driven but not all men are violent and not all women are emotional wrecking balls”
==That’s correct.
I am talking statistically.
So yes, men are more violent. Most violent crimes are committed by men. There are more men in jails than women.
“men are more interreted in things wimen are interested in people and being social“
==That’s correct. That’s what the article from Bruce Goldman says.
Sounds like you agree with me.
“but to say hey i have a "trans" brain theres 0 credible scientific research to back that up and i mean would go against common sense”
==I don’t think there is a trans brain. There are male and female brains. It isn’t black and white either, meaning that we have no machine that plugs to the brain and does an analysis and claims that this is definitely a male brain.
In trans cases, the treatment involves seeing a psychologist and talking about their interests.
So, if a boy’s interests lean towards female interests and he prefers to become a female, wear female cloths and do all the other general social things that make a person a female, then he should do the conversion since he probably has a female brain and is born in a male body.
It happens. Nature makes mistakes all the time. Some are born with 2 heads, some are born without any arms, some have a female brain in a male body.
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@YourBiggestFansOK That might be true but I would like to see some official sources since transgender issues, gay rights, whether they should be allowed to be married, allowed to adopt faces strong opposition from religious people.
My experience with religious people has been that they feed me bad fruit.
For example, a bunch of christians have told me that atheism is responsible for 100 million deaths. When I looked into it, they are talking about Soviet Russia and it is their policies and their leaders that are responsible for it. On top of that, they did not directly kill 100 million people. The issue was much more complicated than christians made it out to be.
Then I read the Bible. The good guys, such as Moses uses an army to kill some of the j people just bc they don’t believe in the same god as he does.
The good guy does a global flood and kills a lot of innocent people and innocent animals.
Then, there is the entire lamb of god thing about Jesus. The good guy actually wants his son to be crucified.
Then, there is the Revelation part, which is loaded with insanity.
How is that the good guy and how is it called the good Book? I don’t know.
What is modern man doing worshiping this book?
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@alexiapucci4482 “Simple, just like what is present now, arrest the parent for child abuse.. “
==My question was about two 13 y olds having sex. What do you want to do about this?
Sure, I am in favor of arresting parents who abuse their child.
“Also your say whats so dangerous as a boy transitioning to a girl ? A couple things have to come in factor, 1) the childs mind is not fully developed and many have regretted it doing it at an early age as they change their mind later on”
==Alright, if that is true, then they can delay it but how long are they going to delay it?
Sexual orientation is something that is determined early on. By age 8 or so.
I am not an expert on this gender dysphoria issue but perhaps it is similar.
“my kid wanted tattoes all over their arm and told them to have one and wait until adult and decide then, guess what, they changed their minds.”
==That’s not surprising but people change their minds even when they are an adult.
A tattoo is just decoration.
Why does the government have laws preventing kids from getting a tattoo?
“Bottom line, parent has a right to be notified and first line of consent, then they can work with their child with psychiatrists etc”
==That’s fine. Seeing doctors and psychiatrists is good. I am just worried about religious parents. They seem to think that there is no such thing as gender. I have been told multiple times that the genitals determine who you are: male or female and that it can’t be changed because that is what their god wants.
“Imagine an adult takes your minor child and has sex with them and just because your child agrees to it you have no right to press charges and know anything about it.”
==That is different. An adult can pressure a kid to have sex or get married. Such things happen in old time communities, in certain countries, in mormonism.
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@dymytryruban4324 “What is so dangerous? Over 90% of gender dysphoria cases in children solve on their own while they grow up. Meanwhile, the transition surgery and constant puberty blockers are irreversible. In addition to that, the transition is not just a surgery: it is regular hormone intake and regular follow-up to make sure the new body parts don't fall apart.
Unfortunately there's now way to swap XX and XY chromosomes so that it is reversible and carries little to no side effects.”
==If it is 90%, then we have a great potential for a problem, however, I have to be careful what I believe. This is because I realize that there is a religious issue here.
What is the source of this information? I want to make sure that religious is not distorting the facts.
“Meanwhile, the transition surgery and constant puberty blockers are irreversible.”
==Well, right now, according to this video, we are talking about the right to be called he or she. It is just an ID tag.
“Unfortunately there's now way to swap XX and XY chromosomes so that it is reversible and carries little to no side effects.”
==If the technology becomes available to make that change, you are all for it?
Also, are you religious and which religion are you into?
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@toedrag-release “Right now electric vehicles are great if you live in the city and don't drive much”
==What happens if you drive a lot?
What my friend did was that he went to video tape a wedding. The camera’s battery lasts a few hours. Then he switches batteries. The empty battery is placed on charge. He continues to video tape.
That is something that has already been proposed but EV car batteries are expensive. Are people willing to pay and keep such batteries at home?
“Second you see all the cars at the gas station?”
==Yes, the population has gone up and lifestyle has shifted. Farmers quit and come to the city. We all want the good life. How many are willing to turn backwards, go to the old days of riding a horse or mule and just doing farming?
“Now imagine those cars taking hours to fill up and how clogged they'll be”
==The thing is that a discharged battery contains “unprepared chemicals”. They contain the waste product. For example, lead acid batteries contains PbSO4 on the cathode and anode.
You need to charge them to get the “prepared chemicals”. We need Pb on the anode and PbO2 on the cathode. That takes energy and time.
It is like converting CO2 and H2O back to gasoline.
Should we throw the PbSO4 into the streets and just fill up on Pb and PbO2? It can’t be done.
The petrol mines contain nearly “prepared chemicals”. They just need to do distillation and reforming and we get the mixture that is called gasoline.
They also use petrol as a source of energy to do that work.
I don’t know. Maybe capacitors are the solution.
“I'm not even going to get into transportation trucks and the fiasco that would be. E.Vs are only competitive because gasoline cars exist so there's less pressure on the charge stations.”
==You think that will be a fiasco?
What do you think the future will be like. Let’s say the year is 2300. The world population is 20 billion and even more people are living the good life. Is there going to be enough petrol, platinum, palladium, rhodium, indium in the mines or lithium in the mines? The world is headed to famine, chaos, violence.
That is the question: what should we do today? Should we only focus on today’s problems? Should we worry about the year 2300 or 2500 or 4000 or what?
“Nuclear is a far better option if an area is able to do so.”
==Whatever humans do, there will be a price to pay since there is no mechanism in nature to deal with the waste.
If you mean using uranium, there is a limited amount of U235. Most reactors just split U235 while the U238 gets converted to Pu239 which tends to go to making nuclear weapons.
“The building solar fields takes up alot of space for little reward.”
==Solar panels last a long time. I suppose the silicon will suffer from electron migration eventually. I assume each cell can go beyond 100 y. I really don’t know. There is too much I don’t know.
Wind power: maybe the turbine would last 50 y. I don’t know. I’m sure that it will suffer from gear wear slowly.
“I'm not against renewable energy but the technology we currently have isn't where we need it to be to actually make the country into a sustainable one. The other issue arises that you could take Canada into the stone age literally no emmisions whatsoever and you won't put a dent in climate change. So really it's just a waste of money it'll put Canadians into more hardship and it won't impact anything...so just a waste of time, money and resources.”
==Hydro-Quebec has a research department. The work on battery technology and various things. They collaborate with other labs.
Also, for Quebec, if everyone today switches to all EV, there needs to be 1.5 new Romain Power plants built. The Romain is the name of one of their hydro plants. I don’t know how many megawatts it generates.
They are building one now or is near completion.
Also, last year, they signed a contact with New York. I think it is 24 billion$ worth. They are selling electricity to New York.
//Edit: sorry, that is 3.5 Romaine power plants will be needed.
I think Romaine-1 is a 1550 W station.
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@Smokedouttasian I don’t know how reliable solar, wind, geothermal is. For Quebec, most of the energy is hydro power and it is very reliable. It will always depend on the region. For example, Germany is moving away from coal and are investing heavily into wind power.
Some people use batteries. Some use molten salt: NaNO3. When there is a dip in power generation, the molten NaNO3 at 450 C is used to generate power. I assume they use the Peltier effect.
Germany seems to have a long history of having great chemists, great physicist.
It is also a benefit to them when they don’t have oil tycoons. Quebec also doesn’t have petrol and no petrol tycoons here.
In the case of the USA, the republican party seems to be all oil tycoons. For example, Donald is not an oil tycoon but since he is a republican, he says “Wind energy? It causes cancer. And what do you do when there is no wind. Little johhny will be in the dark, unable to do his homework.” I am paraphrasing but I saw he say something like that in a couple of speeches.
What he is saying “Absolutely not. We are not going to invest in anything else.”
There was the case of the electric tank. Donald was making fun of it. He said, now they are trying to make an eco friendly tank.
The reality is that China is doing research on it. The benefit is to have a silent vehicle.
I don’t know much else about it. I don’t know if it is a practical idea. I’m just showing you the attitude of the republicans.
I told you about the attitude of Ford, Chrysler and the rest.
I don’t know how reliable industrial scale batteries are. Instead of crushing the EV1, how about the CEOs and their team of research act like teachers: get on TV, show us what the data shows, what the problems are, what they are trying to solve.
If a battery needs replacement, the energy generated by the system (wind, solar, etc) would be used by the factories to make a new one.
Exactly how much it would cost, I wouldn’t know.
“what people perceive as living a sustainable life style”
==That is something else. I’m not even sure what a sustainable life style is. If you want to recycle metal and glass, that is the best. For plastic, they tend to recycle PET and polyethylene but most of it goes to land fills or some other country.
People are being lied to about this plastic recycling stuff.
The EV is here. The big boys found out that it is hard to push back. The top guys are getting older and they will die. The next generation realizes that the problems will happen on their time.
So, now we have the big car boys advertising their EV on TV here in Quebec. I am seeing plenty of Teslas and other EV in the streets.
I would not be surprised if half of cars on the street become EV by 2030.
Another solution would be to keep using gasoline cars. Make industry that will use the hydro electricity to make something like gasoline. That way, all cars from 1900 and upwards continue to function.
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@gordonbarranger4087 "I don"t have enough faith to be an Athiest!and by the way I"m going to the Zoo next week,II"i say hello to your grandfather"
==It seems to be a popular belief by some theists (YEC) that only atheists accept the theory of evolution.
Actually, the majority of those that accept the theory are theists.
Also, the classification system of biology has been designed by theists. They have noticed the similarities between humans, chimpanzees, orangutans, bonobos, gorillas, etc.
This is why humans are classified as apes.
The majority of scientists have put aside the religions of their ancestors since it clearly gets into the way of discovery.
Whether you like it or not, evolution theory is established science.
Throw away your holy book into the trash. It is just nice stories coming from primitive times, from superstitious humans.
It took a long time, but we have discovered the ancient history of the Earth.
The Bible just contains the culture and the creation myths of one or a few local cultures.
Say hello to our cousins!
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@Trevoroxx Every country that was part of the soviet union quit as early as possible, as quickly as possible. The Russians abused their allies, took resources to benefit Russia mostly. Also, if you loved your country, even if you wrote a poem, the Russians would use their agents to take you out or they take you to Russia and from their, you end up in northern part of Russia.
The only country that had a very close tie with Russia was Armenia and eventually, that fell apart in after September 2020, when Armenia lost the war with Azerbaijan, since Russia was siding with Azerbaijan/Turkey, which was a moment of opportunity for the west to approach Armenia.
Check out Vasily Kovalyov.
As far as I know, any country that is allied with the west does so out of freedom of choice while for the Soviet Russia, they invaded Armenia and took it by force and probably did so for other nearby countries as well.
I don’t think any country willingly wanted to join Soviet Russia.
Putin has setup, I think it is called the OSTC, yet it did not protect it closest ally, Armenia. Armenia is about to quit that association. Putin sent a letter to quit, good riddance, we don’t need you.
In the case of NATO, the USA takes it seriously and sends support when there is a problem.
Germany is a good example. The eastern side germans were always trying to flee and come over to the west. Not a single west german wanted to go to the east.
When the soviet union feel, every ex-soviet country was happy to leave and they had control again over their own country.
I am not saying that communism is bad. I think that the version that Russia had setup was quite brutal.
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@DC-jj4zj That is tr chocolate ue and the primary reason why NATO exists is that bolshevism exists, and they took co chocolate ntrol of Ru chocolate ssia by fo chocolate rce and they in chocolate vaded neighboring countries and thus, you had the Soviet Union, a kind of union where none of the people in the various countries were happy about it except those you had authority. It became obvious to the USA and friends that Soviet Ru chocolate ssia were trying to expand by fo chocolate rce and that their turn is coming.
As soon as Soviet Ru chocolate ssia fell, each member state quickly quit the union. The only holdout was Ar chocolate menia since they had good relations with Ru chocolate ssia and they have Turkey to their west and Az chocolate erbaijan to their East.
Eventually, Ar chocolate menia learned that Ru chocolate ssia is not going to help them.
Ar chocolate menians are deluded. They are very re chocolate ligious. They think that being a ch chocolate ristian is a membership to some kind of se chocolate cret club where everyone is a brother and they help each other.
Being a mu chocolate slim is a membership. When something happens to the palestinian, almost every mu chocolate slim nation stands up and complains. Billions of mu chocolate slims are upset over the treatment of palestinians.
Western nations are more like businesses. If you have petrol, if you have maybe lithium and other resources, they get interested.
For example, Iraq was like an investment. The USA invested by having a wa chocolate r with Sadam and the USA won and the USA became rich with a lot of petrol.
The same should be done with Ru chocolate ssia.
Ru chocolate ssia is huge and they can’t defend all of it.
Uk chocolate raine is already given them a hard time. If one more country at chocolate tacks Ru chocolate ssia, Ru chocolate ssia would not be able to handle 2 wa chocolate r fronts.
Uk chocolate raine and NATO members can get very rich.
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@re-replied That is true and the primary reason why NATO exists is that bolshevism exists, and they took control of Russia by force and they invaded neighboring countries and thus, you had the Soviet Union, a kind of union where none of the people in the various countries were happy about it except those you had authority. It became obvious to the USA and friends that Soviet Russia were trying to expand by force and that their turn is coming.
As soon as Soviet Russia fell, each member state quickly quit the union. The only holdout was Armenia since they had good relations with Russia and they have Turkey to their west and Azerbaijan to their East.
Eventually, Armenia learned that Russia is not going to help them.
Armenians are deluded. They are very religious. They think that being a christian is a membership to some kind of secret club where everyone is a brother and they help each other.
Being a muslim is a membership. When something happens to the palestinian, almost every muslim nation stands up and complains. Billions of muslims are upset over the treatment of palestinians.
Western nations are more like businesses. If you have petrol, if you have maybe lithium and other resources, they get interested.
For example, Iraq was like an investment. The USA invested by having a war with Sadam and the USA won and the USA became rich with a lot of petrol.
The same should be done with Russia.
Russia is huge and they can’t defend all of it.
Ukraine is already given them a hard time. If one more country attacks Russia, Russia would not be able to handle 2 war fronts.
Ukraine and NATO members can get very rich.
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@re-replied That is true and the primary reason why NATO exists is that bolshevism exists, and they took control of Russia by force and they invaded neighboring countries and thus, you had the Soviet Union, a kind of union where none of the people in the various countries were happy about it except those you had authority. It became obvious to the USA and friends that Soviet Russia were trying to expand by force and that their turn is coming.
As soon as Soviet Russia fell, each member state quickly quit the union. The only holdout was Armenia since they had good relations with Russia and they have Turkey to their west and Azerbaijan to their East.
Eventually, Armenia learned that Russia is not going to help them.
Armenians are deluded. They are very religious. They think that being a christian is a membership to some kind of secret club where everyone is a brother and they help each other.
Being a muslim is a membership. When something happens to the palestinian, almost every muslim nation stands up and complains. Billions of muslims are upset over the treatment of palestinians.
Western nations are more like businesses. If you have petrol, if you have maybe lithium and other resources, they get interested.
For example, Iraq was like an investment. The USA invested by having a war with Sadam and the USA won and the USA became rich with a lot of petrol.
The same should be done with Russia.
Russia is huge and they can’t defend all of it.
Ukraine is already given them a hard time. If one more country attacks Russia, Russia would not be able to handle 2 war fronts.
Ukraine and NATO members can get very rich.
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When Azerbaijan attacks Armenia, the USA sends Azerbaijan weapons as usual. It isn’t just the USA either. The entire set of western countries don’t mention it at all, don’t talk about it, don’t lose sleep over it. They do business with them.
There was an arms embargo that the USA had implemented since ~1994 on Azerbaijan. Joe Biden lifted that ban. When Azerbaijan attacked Artsakh on Sep 2020 and took control over it, Joe Biden recognized the Armenian genocide of 1915, during which millions of armenians, greeks, assyrians lost their lives, lost their homes, lost their churches. There was a whole lot of protest against that since Turkey is a close ally of USA.
Azerbaijan had implemented a starvation policy in Artsakh. After 6 months, it started to bomb the people. The entire armenian population, 120 K, left Artsakh.
The only country that talks about these atrocities is France.
So, does the USA really care about what happens to some muslims? I don’t think so. There is no petrol in Gaza just like there is no petrol in Armenia.
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@markanderson100 “Instead of blindly and ignorantly hating on China”
==That is the second time you said that to me but why do you say it?
“even redeployed their military towards efforts like plantation”
==OK, that is good.
“But with the way things are going, that's what it seems will, unfortunately, happen.”
==The only county that I have seen that has a strong refusal to let go of petrol and coal is the USA and that is bc about 50% of the population are republicans.
All these countries have what is called the “conservative party”. They tend to be christian, mostly YEC, they are against the Big bang theory, Evolution Theory, masks, LGBTQ.
In the case of the USA, the conservative party has the backing of 50% of the population while in other western countries, it is far less.
I don’t know about every single one of these countries. Brazil might have too many conservatives as well.
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@markanderson100 "Per capita amount is the only fair way to make an apples to apples comparison, Otherwise, you're saying that Canadians deserve to pollute and emit at greater levels than those countries merely because our population is smaller. That's an absurd argument to make."
==Well, it is their decision to have their population swell up that much.
It is India and China, that make up about about 3 billion people, which is near 40% of the world.
This is like saying, hey, let’s me and you go into business together. You invest 50% and I will invest 50% and for the profits, let’s share amount all our family members. I have 50 people in my family and you have 5. So, I get 90%.
China is 32.884%
USA is 12.600%
India is 6.991%
Russia is 4.956%
The above are raw numbers. China emits 32.884% of the world CO2.
Next thing you know, they will be saying, Hey, we don’t have enough land to live on. Can you take yours?
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@MV-wb2cz "There is a very easy and simple explanation for this phenomenon. Ever heard of El Nino? That's what we are experiencing right now. The sun goes through cycles hot and cold. Go back to school."
==But how did you learn such great things such as El Nino and Sun cycles yet scientists have never heard about such things?
Are scientists idiots?
I have good news for you. El Nino are factored in. I think it was El Nino that caused a bump for 2016. It was a slightly warmer globe.
Here you go:
Scientists from Europe’s Copernicus program also have 2020 tying 2016 as the warmest year on record, while the UK Met Office ranked 2020 as the second-warmest.
“The previous record warm year, 2016, received a significant boost from a strong El Niño,” Schmidt said. “The lack of a similar assist from El Niño this year is evidence that the background climate continues to warm due to greenhouse gases.”
Sun cycles:
The radiation output of the Sun does fluctuate over the course of its 11 year solar cycle. But the change is only about one-tenth of 1%—not substantial enough to affect Earth’s climate in dramatic ways, and certainly not enough to be the sole culprit of our planet’s current warming trend, scientists say.
“The small measured changes in solar output and variations from one decade to the next are only on the order of a fraction of a percent, and if you do the calculations not even large enough to really provide a detectable signal in the surface temperature record,” said Penn State meteorologist Michael Mann.
The link between solar activity and global warming is just another scapegoat for human-caused warming, Mann told LiveScience.
You think that higher intensity light from the Sun is warming the Earth. I have good news for you. Scientists are not as stupid as you think. Better yet, they have the equipment to take measurements.
The solar rays haven’t changed much. What has changed is the amount of infra-red rays being emitting from Earth into space. This is something that is measured using satellite imagery.
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@Cafeallday222 “Trust the science” wasnt exactly friendly to any questioning of it possibly being wrong”
==Scientists argue all the time. There isn’t much trust in science.
It is not like religion where who knows who wrote some holy book or holy script or some thing written on goats with insect juice. We don’t know where the originals are, who the original author is, through what changes the mythology has gone through over the centuries as it passes by priest to priest.
Science is an open system. There are no popes and people who have a special antenna in their head receiving messages from the alien gods.
Anyone with talent can study and get a PHD and join in. There are also many technicians that give aid to the lead researches.
Even if you falsify data today and fool some people now, eventually, you might get caught. That is something that has happened in the field of cod fusion, in the field of archeology/paleontology.
Or maybe you are talking about the trust from the general public. Gaining the trust of the general public requires making educational films and answering questions.
More importantly, the public needs to study a topic sufficiently.
Where are the fossils? Why are there missing links? C14 dating of coal says that it is 4 ky old? and other such questions, I have seen often.
The questions are good but they are asking me. I answer but I don’t change minds bc it ties into their religion (young earth creationism).
One recent question was, how do they know that the CO2 in the atmosphere, that the 30% comes from human activity?
That answer is available publicly, yet she asked me.
I answered. I don’t know if she understood or changed her mind. I am certain she did not change her mind.
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@hunter5369 "Well then the government would not be able to Bring into the country those ukranians that are here to replace you"
==Ukraine is at war with Russia and so, you will have a portion who are not interested in war. They just want to live the one life they have.
Other countries, such as India, Algeria, Egypt and so on are not at war.
They come here, often know english or french, they come here for a good job and they can own a home here and in their country.
How many canadians own a home here and also in England or France?
For example, the reason why my family left Lebanon was that it had a religious war for 17 y, from about 1975 to 1987.
I am not arab so there is no reason for me to go back.
I am armenian and this european style is more fitting. I don’t care for religion.
Religious symbols don’t belong at the state level. The state needs to be neutral.
I find it strange that Canada brings here women who are covered head to toe and don’t want to ID themselves to the police.
It is a very bad idea to let religion take control of a country. Look at the USA. One side sees Donald as a demigod, as Jesus, as someone sent by their god. I have never seen a politician being loved that much in Canada. The USA is near the point of a civil war. When you are so much infatuated with your religion, you begin to think that the other side falsified something and you lost the vote.
You become absolutely certain that you are absolutely correct and the other side is absolutely evil.
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trishmeshell191 The General Milley case is something else. Look at lW0qyykAlN0
At his welcome ceremony at Joint Base Myer-Henderson Hall, across the Potomas River from the capital, Milley gained an early, and disturbing insight into Trump’s attitude toward soldiers.
Milley had chosen a severely wounded army captain, Luis Avila, to sing “God Bless America.” Avila, who had completed five combat tours, had lost a leg in an IED attack in Afghanistan, and had suffered two heart attacks, two strokes, and brain damage as a result of his injuries.
To Milley, and to four-star generals across the army, Avila and his wife, Claudia, represented the heroism, sacrifice, and dignity of wounded soldiers.
After Avila’s performance, Trump walked over to congratulate him, but then said to Milley, within earshot of several witnesses, “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.” Never let Avila appear in public again, Trump told Milley.
Milley isn’t the only one who overheard this.
There was another instance where Donald called wounded soldiers “losers”.
There was another instance where Donald called a certain wounded soldier and used some bizarre wording.
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@axiomaticidioms3857 When you say complete in the market, I assume you think that they lower their prices to remain competitive.
Healthcare is a special market. It is regarded as an essential service. The manufacturer’s of healthcare related equipment know this as well and so each company, each employee, each doctor wants the max.
Also, like I said, it has to do with tradition.
It seems to be popular in the USA to say socialism costs more. I would say that insurance is a waste since insurance is a for profit company with investors and employees.
Socialism costs less since the idea is that the lower classes outnumber the richer classes and the lower classes are the ones that run industry, schools, etc.
So, taxes on the lower classes would be reduced and the responsibility is shifted to the rich class.
In other words, I would not worry about my healthcare, even if I earn less, even if I lose my job. Since I am a citizen, I always have access to hospitals. In Canada, it is unfortunate that dentistry is not covered. If it was, I would have been able to go to the dentist as a teen and avoided a lot of problems.
For the USA, I hear that some people sell there house to pay some of their health bills. Some become homeless. How does that happen?
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@axiomaticidioms3857 PART 2:
The question is, how much more? If someone works for an asphalt and roofing company makes 18$/h, should a doctor make 180$/h, 250$/h, 500$/h, 1500$/h?
In the end, you have a society that perhaps the average salary is at 38,000$/h and most are under that. So, if those people can survive on less, than I don’t see why a lawyer needs 200,000 $/y. He doesn’t need more food, more petrol, more energy than the lower end class. Maybe all the lawyer needs is to go a 2 week vacation twice or thrice a year, so let’s give him 55,000$. Everything above the 50,000$ mark gets taxed at a higher rate.
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@axiomaticidioms3857 PART 1:
I am not saying that everyone should make the same salary, so no, I don't think that a lawyer should make the same as an employee at McDonald's. So, we are both in agreement: lawyers and doctors should make more money. The question is, how much more? If someone works for an asphalt and roofing company makes 18$/h, should a doctor make 180$/h, 250$/h, 500$/h, 1500$/h?
In the end, you have a society that perhaps the average salary is at 38,000$/h and most are under that. So, if those people can survive on less, than I don't see why a lawyer needs 200,000 $/y. He doesn't need more food, more petrol, more energy than the lower end class. Maybe all the lawyer needs is to go a 2 week vacation twice or thrice a year, so let's give him 55,000$. Everything above the 50,000$ mark gets taxed at a higher rate.
I think socialism is tied with democracy. It is a 1 person = 1 vote situation.
We ask the people, Do you want universal healthcare? The majority understands that if they say no and if one day they have a major medical issue, they might not be able to afford it.
If the go...to be continued
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@axiomaticidioms3857 I am not saying that everyone should make the same salary, so no, I don’t think that a lawyer should make the same as an employee at McDonald’s. So, we are both in agreement: lawyers and doctors should make more money. The question is, how much more? If someone works for an asphalt and roofing company makes 18$/h, should a doctor make 180$/h, 250$/h, 500$/h, 1500$/h?
In the end, you have a society that perhaps the average salary is at 38,000$/h and most are under that. So, if those people can survive on less, than I don’t see why a lawyer needs 200,000 $/y. He doesn’t need more food, more petrol, more energy than the lower end class. Maybe all the lawyer needs is to go a 2 week vacation twice or thrice a year, so let’s give him 55,000$. Everything above the 50,000$ mark gets taxed at a higher rate.
I think socialism is tied with democracy. It is a 1 person = 1 vote situation.
We ask the people, Do you want universal healthcare? The majority understands that if they say no and if one day they have a major medical issue, they might not be able to afford it.
If the government handles the hospitals, they can tax the rich at a higher rate and fund the hospitals. The rich class gets a benefit too: he doesn’t lose his employee.
Schools, all the way to university: same thing. The lower class has a chance to get a higher education and the rich class has the benefit of employing that person.
The alternative is to have talented people who are poor and who will never go to university. That was the world of the 18xx.
Life is a lottery. We don’t know in which family, which city, which country we will be born. You might end up being born as a baby with some serious health issue. If the science and technology is available, why not use it? The only thing standing in the way of a perfect society are people who want a huge salary (This includes companies making the medical equipment).
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@axiomaticidioms3857 I am not saying that everyone should make the same salary, so no, I don’t think that a lawyer should make the same as an employee at McDonald’s. So, we are both in agreement: lawyers and doctors should make more money. The question is, how much more? If someone works for an asphalt and roofing company makes 18$/h, should a doctor make 180$/h, 250$/h, 500$/h, 1500$/h?
In the end, you have a society that perhaps the average salary is at 38,000$/h and most are under that. So, if those people can survive on less, than I don’t see why a lawyer needs 200,000 $/y. He doesn’t need more food, more petrol, more energy than the lower end class. Maybe all the lawyer needs is to go a 2 week vacation twice or thrice a year, so let’s give him 55,000$. Everything above the 50,000$ mark gets taxed at a higher rate.
I think socialism is tied with democracy. It is a 1 person = 1 vote situation.
We ask the people, Do you want universal healthcare? The majority understands that if they say no and if one day they have a major medical issue, they might not be able to afford it.
If the government handles the hospitals, they can tax the rich at a higher rate and fund the hospitals. The rich class gets a benefit too: he doesn’t lose his employee.
Schools, all the way to university: same thing. The lower class has a chance to get a higher education and the rich class has the benefit of employing that person.
The alternative is to have talented people who are poor and who will never go to university. That was the world of the 18xx.
Life is a lottery. We don’t know in which family, which city, which country we will be born. You might end up being born as a baby with some serious health issue. If the science and technology is available, why not use it? The only thing standing in the way of a perfect society are people who want a huge salary (This includes companies making the medical equipment).
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@axiomaticidioms3857 PART 3:
It is so high, that the liberal government decided to cut their salaries a bit some years ago. A lot of prosecutors complained but there wasn’t much that they could do. Some quit and decided to open their private practice. The nice thing about this is that it created job openings for new comers and also creates savings for the taxpayers.
For doctors, it is definitely a high stress job and also, there is a lack of doctors, there is a lack of nurses, they don’t open new hospitals and the population skyrocketed.
At one point, doctors refused a pay raise and asked that they give the nurses a pay raise instead. That was a very special day.
All doctors are on salary in Canada.
Even as a family doctor, you start at 180 k$. You don’t need to be a specialist in anything.
I heard that in Europe, some years ago, the government stepped in. They all agreed to make it universe and to reduce salaries for doctors and to hire more doctors. That increased the quality of service.
So, the extremely high salary in these 2 positions is due to tradition.
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@axiomaticidioms3857 PART 3:
It is so high, that the liberal government decided to cut their salaries a bit some years ago. A lot of prosecutors complained but there wasn’t much that they could do. Some quit and decided to open their private practice. The nice thing about this is that it created job openings for new comers and also creates savings for the taxpayers.
For doctors, it is definitely a high stress job and also, there is a lack of doctors, there is a lack of nurses, they don’t open new hospitals and the population skyrocketed.
At one point, doctors refused a pay raise and asked that they give the nurses a pay raise instead. That was a very special day.
All doctors are on salary in Canada.
Even as a family doctor, you start at 180 k$. You don’t need to be a specialist in anything.
I heard that in Europe, some years ago, the government stepped in. They all agreed to make it universe and to reduce salaries for doctors and to hire more doctors. That increased the quality of service.
So, the extremely high salary in these 2 positions is due to tradition.
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@axiomaticidioms3857 PART 1:
There are a lot of businesses like that. You have restaurants, you have barbers, you have mechanics. The customer comes in and services are rendered. Some are employees and usually, one person is the business owner.
If you are the business owner, and you just opened your business, you might not get too many customers for a while. You might end up closing. It is something that happened often in Quebec.
University schooling was something rare in the 18xx and lawyers and doctors were regarded as a special class in society. In the 1990s and afterwards, pretty much everyone has a university education.
Once you are in the lawyer business for years, there are going to be cases that are similar. Doing research, is of course, part of the job.
In society, doctors and lawyers are regarded as high earners.
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@axiomaticidioms3857 There are a lot of businesses like that. You have restaurants, you have barbers, you have mechanics. The customer comes in and services are rendered. Some are employees and usually, one person is the business owner.
If you are the business owner, and you just opened your business, you might not get too many customers for a while. You might end up closing. It is something that happened often in Quebec.
University schooling was something rare in the 18xx and lawyers and doctors were regarded as a special class in society. In the 1990s and afterwards, pretty much everyone has a university education.
Once you are in the lawyer business for years, there are going to be cases that are similar. Doing research, is of course, part of the job.
In society, doctors and lawyers are regarded as high earners.
It is so high, that the liberal government decided to cut their salaries a bit some years ago. A lot of prosecutors complained but there wasn’t much that they could do. Some quit and decided to open their private practice. The nice thing about this is that it created job openings for new comers and also creates savings for the taxpayers.
For doctors, it is definitely a high stress job and also, there is a lack of doctors, there is a lack of nurses, they don’t open new hospitals and the population skyrocketed.
At one point, doctors refused a pay raise and asked that they give the nurses a pay raise instead. That was a very special day.
All doctors are on salary in Canada.
Even as a family doctor, you start at 180 k$. You don’t need to be a specialist in anything.
I heard that in Europe, some years ago, the government stepped in. They all agreed to make it universe and to reduce salaries for doctors and to hire more doctors. That increased the quality of service.
So, the extremely high salary in these 2 positions is due to tradition.
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@bensontroy1526 “yes to both”
==Thank you for your reply.
But what is the deal with these christian (or secular) countries?
Ukraine’s birthrate was already low for decades. Armenia’s birthrate is low as well.
So, Russia goes to war with Ukraine, thus reducing Ukraine’s population further and in turn, Russia’s population. You make both of your countries weaker. Putin also had some desire to use nuclear weapons a while ago. Western countries are working hard, wasting resources, sending weapons to Ukraine.
Russia doesn’t give a damn about one of its closest allies: Armenia. Russia supplies Azerbaijan and Armenia with weapons and watches them from a distance. Decades ago, during Soviet times, it is Russia that has given Kharabagagh/Artsakh to Azerbaijan. Putin and also all these western countries support Azerbaijan. What’s up with that?
Between 1950 to 1991, there is that entire cold war period between Russia and the USA. The way I see it, 2 big idiots. They almost launched nuclear weapons at each other.
WW2, a certain guy named Hitler decides that Germany is the best. He goes around destroying europeans countries and also Russia. Finally, his own country gets flattened, his army gets killed off and Germany is taken over by his enemies. A total huge destruction. Armenians were fighting along the Soviets to expel the Nazis but it seems as if modern Russians have forgotten this and Putin doesn’t give a damn about Armenia.
I think it is in 1937, that the Holomodor happens. Soviet Russia takes all the wheat and resources from Ukraine and causes a massive famine. Millions of Ukrainians die. The western world doesn’t care.
WW1, another boneheaded war started by europeans. Turkey takes the opportunity to wipe out Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians. The world doesn’t care or is too busy with their WW1. Russia doesn’t come to the rescue either. So, western Armenia falls in the hands of the Turks, up to today.
I forgot. The 1974 event. Greece or Cyprus tries to expel the turks. The western world doesn’t care, doesn’t provide any assistance. The USA gives assistance to Turkey. Half the island goes to Turkey. Greece decides to quit NATO.
Do you see my point?
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When I was maybe 6 or so, I didn’t know what couple, dozen, decade, century, bicentennial, nickel, dime, quarter meant.
I use to hear them in cartoons once in a while.
I think by age 10 or so, I knew these words. Also, I don’t have an english background.
What’s going on in the USA? Are these guys home schooled or public school?
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@zakaria497 “those cases are not the norm of humans, they are literally a anomaly, People that are born blind is not the norm of humans.”
==That is true, it is not the norm. In any case, the chromosome being XY or XX is not relevant in a cultural case. People in the past did not know that they existed. That is not how they defined who is a female and who is a male.
In humans, it has been found that males are missing a leg on a chromosomes, which gives it a Y shape. Most other animals aren’t missing it.
Also, having a defect, such as being blind is not something rejected by christians. So, why do they reject other defects?
And that is why it is better to be on the left. Educate kids that LGBT exist and teach them to respect them.
Humans comes in all shapes and sizes. Some have yellow hair. Some have black hair. Some have smaller teeth than others. Some have larger ears, etc.
Some people like green beans and some do not.
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billkikstra2225 You probably want to reply to me.
“so, l take it you're going to give up EVERYTHING that oil & gas has provided YOU???”
==I don’t think that any of us want to give up those things and return to the old days of horse and buggy and being a farmer.
It is important to face reality.
The claim being made by a couple of people here is that thousands of climate scientists, from around the globe have taken a bribe from EV manufacturers.
This is discussed on Wikipedia. Where is the evidence of these bribes?
Why are nearly 97% of them being unprofessional?
Why aren’t these scientists rich?
How much are they taking per y? 50,000$/y? 100,000$/y?
So, for the past 50 y or so, each climate scientist has collected over 2.5 M$. Does that make sense?
I asked some important questions but no one answers me:
Are you that corrupt? Are you willing to put your own reputation on a lie?
Because someone who claims that everyone in this world is corrupt it tells me about the morals about the person making the claim.
There is a difference between not wanting to give up our comfy lifestyle and research.
So, just be honest and tell us that you don’t want to lose your comfy lifestyle instead of saying that 97% of climate scientists are corrupt and by extension, every scientists in every field is corrupt.
And, you do understand that petrol will not last forever, right?
In the early 19xx, someone said there is an ocean worth of petrol under Texas.
Yes, back then it looked like there is a non ending amount.
Now that the population skyrocketed, it doesn’t look like a giant ocean anymore.
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@MrWhateverfits “without peer reviewing it thoroughly then yes they are colluding.”
==You started your sentence with an if.
Is it is fact that the climate scientists are not peer reviewing their work?
I am not saying that all research papers are peer reviewed. So, I am not looking for 1 example.
Is there an official source that says that the majority of their research papers are not peer reviewed?
Also, how could it be that scientists work independently arrive at the same conclusion?
“Did you also know that I can get a Biologist or even Gynecologist to say that the climate is in crises as long as they have a PhD.?”
==Niel Degrass Tyson says that you can find at least one scientists that doesn’t agree with something or says the opposite.
“So one you need to look into all of those Scientists and find out what their field of expertise is. You then need to look at who they work for if their field is in fact Climate related.”
==Sure. You didn’t say anything that I disagree with.
“so there are plenty of "Scientists" they would say false thing just for a paycheck.”
==I think I understand this sentiment. The idea is that you are a liar and you would lie for a paycheck. Maybe, a customer brings in their car and you make up some lie and change a few parts that don’t need changing.
But the thing about scientists is that they are not payed by the job, right? They get payed an X amount per year to do research. We don’t know much about the Earth so there is always data to fetch.
Also, since science is an open system, you and anyone can become a scientist and verify for yourself?
Would you accept that global warming is caused by humans if a close member of your family said so?
Do you trust your family members?
“No it is not the climate activists paying them, it is their organization.”
==Someone else said that climate activist are paying them, which is ridiculous.
“It is also Western governments and large corporations with interests in EV tech and green energy paying them. You can never fully trust any science unless you look into it yourself and read all data from all sources. It's easy to filter out the repeated stuff and just focus on what data each side is showing.”
==But if you do become a scientist, why would you trust yourself if you don’t have morals?
Earlier, you said you would lie for a paycheck.
“It is also Western governments and large corporations with interests in EV tech and green energy paying them.”
==It is often the government that gives money to research since research is sometimes not profitable.
Do you believe that the majority of climate scientists have decided to become criminals?
What makes you say that EV tech companies are paying them?
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@PlutoniumSlums You can plant trees. Nobody is going to stop you.
But you can't stop big petrol. It is a multibillion dollar industry and there is a billion customers using the product.
We are also using it, whether it is gasoline, diesel, plastics, medicine and as an energy source to make NH3, HNO3, KNO3 and more.
I think very few countries can switch to alternative energy sources.
In Quebec, we have a lot of hydro power so there is a strong push to switch to electric cars.
The price of electricity is something like 0.07$kWh while other places, it is 0.40 and in some cases, over 1.00$.
Quebec doesn't have any petrol fields.
The only province that is backwards, conservative, thinking is Alberta where they have lots of petrol.
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@seanworkman431 "then i the 1970's the big scare was an impending ice age, we were all going to freeze to death."
==The claim that in the 1970s, a global cooling has been predicated is based on Peter Gwynne Newsweek article in Apr 28, 1975. There were similar articles in Time Magazine, National Geographic, the New York Times.
The article is based on facts. From the 1940s to the 1970s, global average temperature was going down. We now know that the reason is soot and aerosols.
That has settled out and by the 1980s, there is an upturn and the planet is warming back up and it is rising at a rather rapid pace just like the CO2 level is rising at a rapid pace.
Also, climate science was still rudimentary in the 1970s. The number of scientists who though we were heading for an ice age was small and they were correct. We should be in an ice age period.
Another larger group of scientists were factoring in human activity and though the planet should be warming up.
So, the large group ended up being correct as from the 1980s and onward, global average temperature is just going up.
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@Salty Granny What am I lying about? The Black Sea raid is something that is recorded by historians and journalists. It is something that is accepted by all of Europe. The other day, I was watching a documentary that was on channel NKH, which is a japanese channel and they were talking about WW1. They said that Turkey was advancing into Russia but the mountain climb was difficult and cold. 10,000 soldiers froze to death.
As for how Turkey entered into WW1, it is called the Black Sea raid.
The genocide started here and there with Sultan Hamid II. It is called the hamidian massacres. It started in 1890. The closest ally of Turkey, or if you wish you can call it the Ottoman empire. was Germany and for some reason, they didn’t care. Perhaps, those who were responsible, didn’t even report it back to their superiors in Germany.
Eventually, it went into full swing with the young turks.
Germany was putting pressure on Turkey to do their part and to attack Russia. However, Turkey was busy with the genocide. Eventually, Turkey attacked one of the harbors in Russia which sent a signal to Russia that Turkey desires to have a war with Russia.
All this is called the Black Sea Raid.
On Oct 27, 1914, two former German warships, the Ottoman Yavûz Sultân Selîm and Midilli, still under the command of German officers, conducted the Black Sea Raid, in which they bombarded the Russian port of Odessa and sank several ships. On Oct 31, 1914, the Ottomans entered the war and began the Caucasus campaign against Russia. The British briefly bombarded forts in Gallipoli, invaded Mesopotamia and studied the possibility of forcing the Dardanelles.
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@jimgreen7477 I would say that they have to apologize at the country level. It is state sponsored lie on their part. The countries that need to deal with the problem are all the members of the UN, not just Armenia and Greece. That is to say, if the superpowers forming up the UN care about human rights.
If they don't deal with it, then the problem will persist forever.
Look up some of these words. I am not going to post the link since youtube robots tend to delete.
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Taner Akcam, a Turkish historian at Clark University in Massachusetts
This is the Smoking Gun New Evidence Finally Shows State Complicity in Armenian g
Akcam has described his recent discovery as an earthquake that he hopes will finally remove the last brick in the denialist wall.
Ackam found an original, but encrypted, telegram that was sent in 1915 from the Turkish city of Erzurum.
Eric D. Weitz, a history professor at the City College of New York has dubbed Ackam ‘the Sherlock Holmes of the Armenian g’ for his sterling and tenacious investigative work into what remains a bitter and painful chapter in the history of Turco-Armenian relations.
Another webpage is this one.
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Akcam: Textbooks and the Armenian g in Turkey: Heading Towards 2015
Education is extremely centralized in Turkey. All issues, including setting policy, the administration, and content of education are decided and implemented by the national government. Textbooks that are to be taught in schools are either prepared by the Ministry of National Education (MEB) or must be approved by the Ministry’s Instruction and Education Board.1 For this reason, there’s a direct connection between the books taught in schools and the Turkish government’s policies. The content of history textbooks, in particular, reveals firsthand information about government policies and goals.
The MEB made elementary and middle school textbooks available on the internet for the 2014-15 school year. Anyone can now download and read these books.2 I did a quick review of the history books that are to be taught this year, to see what is being taught to our children about the Armenian g. I have to characterize what I found as both shocking and saddening.
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@almason253 "Maybe the USA should be the ones doing the standing and apologize for the atrocities committed against Native Americans. The massacre at Little Bighorn , Sand Creek, Bear River, Marias River, Wounded Knee... the list goes on. Shameful!"
==First, the native americans should talk about it. Actually, they do talk about it and they are allowed to broadcast it on PBS. Second, it should be thought in school.I don't live in the USA, so I do not know the situation over there.
In Canada, the government has apologized for the mistreatment of the japanese, and various native american tribes. Nobody treatens their lives for talking about these subjects. It isn't a sensitive issue. Canada does not go on a campaign to silence them. Neither does the USA.
The people of Japanese origins and the various native americans still live here. Nobody has been deported to a Syrian desert, there were no death marches.
There is no denial.
These things are broadcast on national TV.
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+Asana Yoga Movement:
"Wait so.... did god say in the Bible earth was only 6000 years old not 65 BILLION ??? Cause WOW I'm really confused"
==I strongly recommend that you study science, take some classes, then learn some more on your own to understand what scientists do.
The age of the Earth is measured to be 4.56 billion years old, not 65 BILLION.
Perhaps you are thinking of the KT boundary (now called the CT boundary) region's age, which is 65 million to 66 million years old. NOT BILLION.
The age of the Sun is estimated to 4.7 billion based on spectroscopic analysis, black body radiation simulation, and other methods.
The age of the universe is at a minimum 14.7 billion years old.
I won't lie to you. Studying all of this will take you many years and you will never become an expert. If you want simple answers, go with judaism. Their bible is only 600 pages.
If you want to go with science, there is so much that you will never be able to read it all in a lifetime.
ADDITIONAL:
About 6 million years ago, some apes split into 2 or more groups. One of these lineages lead to homo sapiens. Human civilization is about 10,000 years old. Humans left Africa 70,000 years ago. Humans settled in Asia, about 50,000 years ago.
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@rebekkabebee9006 :
"No religion. I was raised at a Church of Christ when I was growing up, but I didn't have any real interest in God or Jesus until I turned 25 in 1990 and I gave my heart to God"
==But you were surrounded by the christian religion, right?
"But not all people that claim they are christian does not make them a Christian."
==Well, I understand that there are thousands of sects of christanity. Somewhere around 47,000 sects if the separatist churches in the USA are counted separately. Christianity has never been a monolithic religion after Jesus dies.
"there's no such thing as religion"
==Of course there are religions. The definition is more or less belief in some god or gods, rituals, prayers, meditation, belief in prophets, magical things.
"God's word says he only created all of us to have a personal relationship with him. We are all his children and he loves each of us very much."
==Yes, that is the jewish flavor of religion, which has spawned various sects. Christianity is an offshoot sect from judaism. So is Islam and mormonism.
"And yes to answer the comment you left me. I've had my kidney Dr. say to me in his office last year in December of 2018,"all I can say is someone has they're hand on you."
==Yes, sometimes doctors are religious as well. It's not like they do a full analysis. All they do is take pictures (it could be via X-ray, tomography, NMR, infrared), they might do a biopsy, they might recommend certain drugs.
They don't track down the exact chemical reactions taking place inside cells, how a cell died, how it survived and so on. It would be too time consuming to do that since there are millions of cells.
The simple and quick solution is: the patient is OK or the patient lost X organ or patient is dead. Go home.
You have reasoned that since the doctor could not provide an answer, therefore the problem was solved by a deity to whom you pray to. But your conclusion is not based on an observation of a deity doing anything. You just assumed that you praying and your healing are correlated and that if you had not prayed, then you would be dead.
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@hippocreation As long as the richer class pays a large portion of taxes, I’m ok with capitalism.
Universal healthcare is great to. If someone makes 8000$/y or nothing at all, they can still get healthcare. I think dental and vision should be covered as well.
For China, capitalism worked well since somehow, via magical means, the same US dollar can buy more stuff. So, the rich class decided to shut down manufacturing in the USA and related european style countries and moved it to elsewhere. Somehow, transporting materials to China, manufacturing a TV, and shipping it back to the USA is cheaper. So, an immense amount of petrol is burned to do that transportation and still, it turns out to be cheaper.
Or, someone is selling petrol for very cheap. I’m not sure exactly how that magic works. I would like to see the equation.
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+Mesafint Fanuel:
"First of all you atheists should remove the notion "thousands of other religions from your minds" because the reality on the ground is that there are only three type of worship places in you neighborhoods christian church, Islamic mosque(few in number), and Hindu temple(highly unlikely)."
==What is or is not in my current neighborhood or in my current century is irrelevant.
The fact is that there are hundreds of cultures and probably thousands of religions have popped up and disappeared.
The fact that most of them have died out doesn't change the reality that religions and gods can be invented by mere humans.
"Most of you don't take Hindus or budhist seriously they are not in your sphere of existence so we are left with three to investigate"
==FACT1: I don't know those 2 religions in detail.
FACT2: Those 2 religions are not a problem for prime countries like USA, Canada, Europe, Russia, Australia.
Do you think if I read their books cover to cover, it would change my mind?
FACT : Nope. Ink on paper doesn't convince me specially when it is just a religion.
"You are supposed to go "read" what it says and then say that the bible is a forgery"
==Ok, I have read it. And? What is the point you are trying to make?
You should read the bible plus read some books written by atheists such as Richard Carrier. These are the guys who notice the problems with the bible, the koran,
"You are mistaken the bible itself says that its contents are written by "Holy men" inspired by the spirit of God."
==How difficult is it to write that?
"If you think this people are not "Holy" men then it up to you to prove to me that they are not holy men but forgerers"
==FACT1: There are mistakes in the bible. (Bats aren't birds. Rabbits don't chew the cud. Insects don't have 4 legs)
FACT2: The genesis story and flood story is invalidated by modern science.
FACT3: conflicting info in the bible.
FACT4: Why would holy men write the bible and not "the god"? OK, not really a fact but a pretty good question.
Ok, so go ahead and prove to me that the bible is written by holy men.
"Every bible reading christian will tell you this. So you are claiming that this is not paul's letters but forgeries in the name of Paul?"
==No. I said no such thing. You really should re-read what I wrote.
"I am sure you will say it is upto me to prove Gods existence to which I say ok the proof is the BIBLE."
==It would not be fair for me to ask you that since I know that you can't provide any evidence.
"For instance the evidence of potassium-argon dating of a rock presently says one scientist that an asteroid hit the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs"
==I have not heard of such a thing. Show me the white paper.
K-Ar dating is used to date rocks. It gives no indication about an asteroid hit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E2%80%93Ar_dating
Also, it is believed that the majority of the Ar40 in our atmosphere is a result of K40 decay. This would explain why 99.6% of the Ar is Ar40 on Earth while on Mars, there is far more Ar36 which is the nuclide that is most likely to form during nucleosynthesis.
Evidence 1:
The reason why they think a major asteroid strike occurred is because of the presence of a layer of age 65 My that is an unusually high with iridium. This layer appears all across the planet.
Evidence 2:
Chicxulub has a major crater.
Source: https://www.livescience.com/60898-asteroid-struck-unlucky-spot-doomed-dinosaurs.html
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+Mysteryskatin:
"Atheists cannot disprove God."
==There are a lot of things that me and you can't prove to not exist, such as smurfs, leprechauns and other magical things.
I can't even prove that I don't have a sister.
In order to prove the existence of something physical, you need evidence.
If you claim that all gods are non physical, then they don't exist.
If you think about it, numbers, names, words, ideas, software (Windows XP) don't exist either.
They can only "exist" if there is a physical (atoms/molecules/energy) representation of them.
Yes, I have a CD with Windows XP on it. Do you think that this plastic is really Windows XP?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"I suppose you would have me go backwards to rejoin you with the way I used to perceive reality, a return to an empty,
materialistic philosophy"
==No, that's not what I am talking about.
I am talking about how would you (or anyone else) be able to tell what is true and what is false.
You can't just listen to a story and based on your feelings decide whether a story is true just because it makes you feel good.
The best way to determine what is true is to collect evidence. Multiple people should be able to view the evidence. In fact,
anybody should be able to view it.
"where we sacrifice our children to false gods. Do you understand this? We (as a species) need to wake up and turn away from
idolatry (worshiping stuff) and move forward into spiritual lives, but in truth"
==Who is asking you to sacrifice our children to false gods?
No sorry, I don't understand it. Are you talking about a real event that happened with you? Are you talking about a dream? Are you
talking about a movie?
"no more lies, no more power structure that cater to the rich or to corporations or to the powerful (including the clergy)"
==There are always power structures. For example, you are quoting the Bible so I assume you are a christian. That book talks about
king, a kingdom, a throne. It describe the "god" as omnipotent and omniscient being. They sold you a story about how loveable the jewish god is. It's just a story. It is ink on paper. There is no evidence for any of it.
"So where is the truth? How do we establish who is right? Votes? Lol. For ‘now’ we decide what is true, even if we don’t actually have a clue."
==You seem to be talking about politics & human law. Human laws can be changed and policies can be changed.
I am talking about reality itself. Reality, the laws of reality can't be changed.
If you want to believe the bible comes from the god, first, there needs to be solid evidence that it comes from a god.
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"Your first paragraph missed the mark so badly"
==What I am suggesting is that there are some ideas that are a little bit advanced and there are some ideas that are so basic that
even the people from cavemen times could figure it out.
I will give you a few examples. Tell me if it makes sense or not.
Example 1:
What are the chances that a primitive man (from ~5000 y ago) will try to build a house? I would say pretty high. Reason: All humans want
to have a safe location to dwell, out of the winds and rain. [Do you agree or disagree?]
Example 2:
What are the chances that such a man will invent the door? I would say pretty high. Reason: Humans want to feel safe in their home. They would also invent the hinge and eventually, someone will invent a way to block the door. [Do you agree or disagree?]
Example 3:
What are the chances that a primitive man will talk about atoms, the existence of sub atomic particles, the arrangement of electrons in shells, the arrangement of nucleons in shells, nuclear stability? I would say the chances are 0. [Do you agree or disagree?]
Example 4:
What are the chances that humans would invent a language? What are the chance that they would invent a written language? I would say pretty high. Reason: humans want to record what they are doing bc they know that they will die and history will be forgotten. [Do you agree or disagree?]
Example 5:
The Bible. What are the chances that some believer would write that when you seek god, he will reply back (or something of the sort). I am referring to what you wrote ""Seek and you will find, ask and you will receive, knock and the door will be opened.". To me, it seems normal that they would write stuff like that. I am not seeing anything extraordinary. Primitive man is perfectly capable of writing such things.
If they had written about Example 3, I would sat WOW. HOLY COW! That's a lot of details they discovered. How did they find out about the atomic structure and nuclear structure?
So, go ahead and give your input.
Does the Bible contain things that ancient man could not have written on his own? Did it really require a super intelligent being to write it?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"Seek and you will find, ask and you will receive, knock and the door will be opened... to me this is directly encouraging us (from the gospel) to ‘learn’, to seek knowledge and understanding as our primary goal/instinct."
==To you, those lines have value.
To me, they don't have any value at all since they are far too general and not giving usuable information.
Do you really need some other human to tell you to learn, to seek knowledge?
It is in human nature to be curious. It is also present in other animals.
I don't know. It is a huge planet with 6 billion people. Perhaps in your case you aren't curious about the world around you.
I can understand that there are some humans who have problems that get in their way: they need clothes, food, medicine.
What is your excuse? You have a PC. You have a library nearby. You have access to a higher education.
"I was an atheist and very cynical about anything supernatural, it was only after been shown that science didn’t really have any of the pertinent answers (origins, purpose, etc...) that I assumed it had."
==I was a christian and I realized that primitive man did not have all the answers and they developed the answers as they saw fit to them. Death is difficult to accept for any sentient being and so, they began believing in having souls at some point. Different cultures developed their own creation myths, their own gods.
The core of all religions is THE SOUL. All the rest is just icing on the cake.
People just don't want to die. They don't want to suffer. They don't want their loved ones to suffer. So, they dream of a utopia.
(Note: I don't know the details of every religion but the ones that I know about have the concept of the "soul".)
I also learned that people who use the term supernatural have no idea what it is. It is just a word that gets thrown around. The most I have gotten is "above nature". Fine, but is there anything observable?
"science didn’t really have any of the pertinent answers (origins, purpose, etc...)"
==Science is a natural philosophy. In other words you have to keep your political and religious biases out of it. So, it is normal that you aren't going to find a purpose to why you exist with science. There is no evidence that the universe is artificial or that we are artificial. As for origin of the hominid species, evolution theory covers that. The ultimate beginings of life would be covered by chemistry/abiogenesis which is a work in progress with various hypothesis that are being worked on. It isn't solve yet.
"The more I looked the bigger that gaps and the recognition that it is actual through faith that those gaps are being filled, with the idea that they will ‘soon’ be discovered"
==Maybe they will be discovered and maybe they won't.
If that is not acceptable to you, then might as well forget about science and go with religion which says it has the answers.
"scientific method is a good tool for reducing bias and raising objectivity above all things.... but yet it’s apparent faux pas is that it kind of ‘lies’ at the same time"
==What lie are you talking about?
"by it’s very nature/purpose it basically removes God from the equation or from having any pertinence to anything."
==Why would we write in the books of science about the jewish god that you believe in? Why not the god that the greeks believed in? Or one of the thousands of other gods?
Well, which gods do you want included in the page of a science book and what do you want them to write?
"And the aftermath focuses on stuff like evolution and then somehow or other use that as a bases for arguing against creation"
==Science doesn't argue against the existence of any gods or aliens and science doesn't use evolution theory to argue against them. However, Evolution theory, geology, radiometric dating and so on certainly tell us that young earth creationism is none sense.
This is why the christian/jew/muslims who are into young earth creationism see science as their enemy. Quite a few of them have mentioned that Evolution theory comes from the devil.
"If you can follow this, you should be able to admit that the ‘god’ of the gaps is not created by ‘creationists’"
==It absolutely comes from creationists and also ancient humans.
God of the gaps means when you have a gap in your knowledge, for example, how does lightning work/happen and if you don't know the answer, you insert god into it.
How did life form on Earth? God did it!
How did the Sun form? God did it!
How did that cloud form? God did it!
^^^^^^^^As you can see, the "god did it" can be used at any point in time. It is an easy answer. It doesn't require much thought. It doesn't required expensive equipment, a good education. Basically, any idiot can say "god did it!".
"both, essentially coming from nothing, except we can play the laws of thermal dynamics and maybe use something like E=mc^2... and then say well from pure energy everything came to be... but then again that essentially proves God.... and your question of what is spirit? Everything is energy, is moving, is not even ‘solid’... you would know this better than most. How does that sit with you in light of nature supposedly not being supernatural?"
==You lost me. How does that prove that a god exists? You seem to be talking about the initial stages of the Big Bang.
Sure, what is a spirit? Where is your spirit located?
"How is rock, the most natural thing we can think of actually ‘natural’? It is hollow? It’s mass is only like 1/100,000 of something that we would naturally assume is solid... you could blast a rock with quarks or neutrinos and they would never even meet each other."
==What???
"Bottom line is that I know where we come from"
==Well, how do you know that the Bible comes from a god?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"LoL, I’m actually saying you cannot find the answers that deal with spirit through the scientific method. And that cracking the mystery of God is truly what man’s purpose is. So the person that puts all their eggs in that basket (the science alone one) is essentially missing the point. Though I say it’s admirable to have a rigid filter like you describe, that filter is not necessarily going to serve you well when seeking the answers to origins of man and the universe... "
==I can't agree that that is human's purpose.
I think that science is the best way to determining how reality functions. The inductive method is what is currently used in science (Collect data, build a model, explain the situation, make predictions. This becomes the initial hypothesis.).
The previous way was to use the deductive method which basically means sitting in a chair and thinking about how reality operates. Although that is nice, in the end, data must be gathered from reality.
I'm not sure how you are going to determine how many gods there are, what they do, where they are located, and various other details.
Perhaps you can explain your methodology.
"You can clone life and bring back the wooly mammoth from extinction with science, you cannot however discover the true purpose or source of life through it."
==I would use the word purpose in certain situations such as
1. The watch. Humans invented the mechanical/digital watch in order to keep track of time.
2. A painting. An artist draws a painting. The reason is that he likes to pain certain scenery. An art admirer buys it. The purpose of the painting is entertainment.
I don't see the mountains as having a purpose. Same goes to all natural phenomenon. I think nature is a mindless thing. It has no purpose.
I can understand your POV. You think that everything is artificial and so, they have purpose (Some sort of utility).
"If ‘the filter’ automatically just filters all of this out [ie. b/c its preconditions are not met] then you can be sure that the filter is not serving you, but is serving something/someone else"
==I think what you mean to say is that the filter is blocking something that is true.
It certainly is possible that some things are true and there is no verifiable data yet.
That is why the books of science remain opens.
I think the best time to believe that some "thing" exists or something is true is when it can be verified and not before.
^^^^^^^^I am talking about the default position here. The default position is non belief as to the existence of gods.
The same kind of concept is present in science.
The same kind of concept is present in criminology: not guilty until proven guilty.
The prosecution and his team have to put in the work to bring evidence that Mr X did the crime rather than Mr X proving that he is innocent.
"Consider the previous example in light of quantum theory. It contains a theory called the ‘observer effect’, which scientists have shown that observation, even passive observation changes the outcome of a phenomenon."
==It's not an observer effect. Some people have misunderstood the interference experiment. It has nothing to do with consciousness. Interacting with an electron (which has wave behavior) changes its behavior.
There is no indication that reality is subjective or that we are creating reality.
"Again consider, love and hate. When hate (dark) is used as the perspective for observing a situation or phenomenon you might conclude that something is bad, regardless of whether or not it is inherently bad and vice a versa with love (light) as the perspective. This is like faith. When faith is part of the equation you can actually change the outcome. Like optimism, it can improve the outcome of a phenomenon... BUT everything has its opposite to counter it, for where faith doesn’t exist you will have doubt, where love doesn’t exist you will have hate, etc... everything of this nature appears to be in a sort of vacuum. If you are not full of one thing you will be full of its other.... but in reality it’s usually a combination of both elements that are in constant flux"
==I don't understand. Perhaps you can give an example.
So what is your plan for heaven. What will you be doing?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"the system of verification you use to filter out baloney is admirable and obviously makes sense. However, at the same time of filtering out some useless noise, it is still not a reliable method to always ensure truth. For example, does it have the ability to cut through its own bias? Is it not self protecting and automatically rejecting anything that doesn’t fit within its preconditions?"
==Yes, it is pretty important in science to have a strong filter. The job of the filter is to block bad information, unverifiable claims.
Without a filter, everything gets in and pollutes the books of science.
Since science is done by humans, individual humans have their own biases. That may be political, it may be religion, it might be that the human has developed an idea that he likes or thinks is true.
In order to deal with that, it is necessary that any other peer be able to verify the work.
But even that does not guarantee that the filters of science will work.
There is no 100% guarantee.
So, the solution that you are proposing is to eliminate the filter?
Should we go with faith in science?
How would that make science superior to science without faith in gods?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"did you read Luke 10:21?"
==This is Luke 10:21 NIV version
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have
hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were
pleased to do.
What are you trying to tell me with Luke 10:21?
"however, for spiritual things we shall turn to spirit"
==What is a spirit?
I base what I believe in on as much evidence as possible.
Reading a book is fine but the ideas they present have to be verifiable, reliable, testable.
For example, I cannot verify if Jesus is full of joy.
In fact, it is pretty irrelevant.
I cannot verify if Jesus said "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth .........".
Let's say I give it the benefit of the doubt and Jesus spoke those words.
The question is:
1. Is Jesus really talking to a god?
2. I know that there is an Earth. By heaven, is he talking about space or some other dimension?
3. Does the "god" really hide these things from the wise and learned? Is he talking about Isaac Newton?
The bible is basically a piece of paper and ink. Anybody can buy paper and ink and write whatever they wish.
Anybody can get webspace and write whatever they want on their website.
You shouldn't just believe anything without verification.
Most importantly, you should ask questions.
"Seek understanding, use your intelligence to navigate the lies from the truth."
==Sure, I don't have a problem with that.
The difference between you and me is that you think the Bible is entirely factual and I do not.
How come we have come to different conclusions?
I think you already answered it:
You trust the people who wrote the Bible.
So, why do you trust them when other people who were there did not trust him?
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"has to be accepted through faith (/trust/being ‘like’ a child)"
==So you define faith as trusting what another person says.
But who are we talking about? Trust who exactly?
I don't randomly trust what other people say, even if they are a group of people.
For example, when they predict what the weather will be like for tomorrow, I trust that it is most likely correct.
I expect meteorologist to behave professionally. It is a profession. It requires education and skill.
They take ground measurements of pressure, temperature, air flow, they take satellite images to track large bodies of air flow and they use computer models.
It is a subset of physics and it is well understood.
So, I know that people who understand the behavior of the Earth's atmosphere work on the problem of predicting the future and they get it right about 90% of the time. 70% for the next day. 50% for the next day. 30% accuracy for the next day.
When you are talking about trust, you must mean trust in someone. Who is that someone?
Since you are quoting the Bible, I guess it is the people who wrote the Bible.
What Luke 10:21 says, is not something verifiable.
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@GMC-qo9xi :
"‘faith’ is actually a real thing like in the same vein as say ‘love’"
==I know what love is but What is faith?
There is physical evidence for love. By physical, I mean made of atoms.
First off, we need a human brain. The human brain is where human thought, logic, vision processing, sound processing, memory,
emotions happen. When a person is in love with something, he would take actions accordingly. If he/she loves someone, he/she takes
actions accordingly.
Also, in principle there would be evidence in the neuronal connections but right now, we don't understand the human brain that
well.
"God is found through spirit, not a microscope... Love for example would be a much better tool for detecting traces of ‘God’ than
say the Hubble telescope?"
==How would you determine if what you have found are gods as opposed to just "feelings"?
I'm don't thing that feelings are the best way to determine what is real and what is not real.
Reality should be something observable by anybody.
That's why in the science domain, people argue and debate but in the end, when enough evidence piles up, the explanations for them
slowly become accepted. When a model in science has the ability to explain and make predictions that can be tested, we call this a
good model.
"before countering arguing the numerous weaknesses in my words, that science itself tells us that ‘everything’ comes from
‘nothing’—or an infinitesimally small dot."
==Science doesn't state that everything comes from nothing.
Perhaps you are talking about Lawrence Krauss's book. He explains that stuff in his book, I believe on page 5.
The Big Bang theory postulates that since space is expanding, then logically, going back in time, space was more compact and
possibly crushed into a very tiny dot.
"Science without these ‘things’ is completely limited or cut off at the knees when it comes to describing spirit and spiritual
things like God."
==Unfortunately, I do not know what spirit is. It isn't something that is demonstrated in the sciences.
"Humans are spiritual being living in a physical reality, anyone who can’t accept this (that we are truly spiritual) cannot see
anything beyond the physical."
==I'm not sure why some humans have a need for "beyond the physical". Perhaps the physical world is hard to understand. Perhaps it
is hard to work with. Perhaps it does things that you have no control over, such as death and pure chance.
That's something that you would have to explain to me.
"And whose to say that spirit and science are in any kind of opposition? Science just hasn’t discovered a way to effectively
‘observe’ or even define what spirit is (thank God). Science just needs a few more tools in the box (like faith.)"
==Faith is a tool? Explain how a scientist would use it?
"The ultimate irony, being that children would have a better chance of proving/observing God than any of the tools of science do.
(Ie. Innocence/purity, simplicity, unfettered by the ‘ways’ of man—corruption, etc...) Be therefore ‘like’ children should you
wish to see the kingdom of God."
==I don't know if what you said is true or not. Can it be demonstrated in some way?
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@janetbeatrice9505
"to imply that someone cannot be religious and reason is rude and insulting."
==Religious people can reason and I find that calling people "stupid" doesn't do anything for the conversation but you have to admit that some religions have some pretty bizarre things in them.
Let's take an example. Scientology:
1. This religion states that we have souls. [There is no evidence for that but its not bizarre for me.]
2. An intergallactic warlord 's planet was overpopulated. Also, their cities look exactly like Earth's 1950 cities back when Lafayette Ron Hubbard wrote his stuff. [I have to be honest. My bullshit senses are tingling.]
3. 75 trillion years ago the warlord brings them to Earth in space ships that look like DC10 planes with rockets mounted on them. [DC10 planes? Why Earth? Was it the closest planet?]
4. He freezes the aliens I think and dumps them in volcanoes and blows up hydrogen bombs.
In a religion like mormonism, Joseph Smith talks about other planets. The "god" is near a star or planet called Kolob. The Sun gets its light from another star.
He doesn't talk about rockets, interstellar travel, hydrogen bombs, DC10 planes.
In very old religions like judaism, you have no mention of other planets, no hydrogen bombs, no technology. You have lines that talk about gold, copper, brass, trumpets, fire, swords in the tanakh.
It is bizarre that judaism doesn't mention other planets, rockets, interstellar travel, hydrogen bombs, DC10 planes.
Is it possible that the creators of these religions write about the things they know and can conceptualize?
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@damminers49 :
"but that doesn't say why we should presuppose naturalism."
==A scientist can have his own religion and believe in supernatural stuff but when he is doing work, he should leave his religious beliefs out of it. We expect him to behave professionally.
Otherwise, the scientific field will become a battleground between different religions and we don't want that. They are a waste of time.
The goal of science has been to learn about the universe. The best way to learn about something is to discover it.
As for a religion like judaism, all you can do is read a book. You either believe the wild stories in it or you don't. But how is that any different than reading Spiderman comic books? That's what a theologian is. They just have a degree that says that they read some books.
"General relativity was based on theoretical findings. Einstein couldn't really prove the theory, but if the ideas or results don't match the theory then it doesn't work."
==No, actually, Einstein based his theory of Relativity on experiments that had already been carried out. He also performed what he calls thought experiments. A myth has been going around that he made it all up in his mind. There is another myth that he was bad at math. (That one started when he was alive and he gave interviews about it and showed his grades).
Anyway, a good theory should be able to make predictions that can be tested to validate or falsy the theory. One of them was that increasing the speed of an object also has the effect of slowing down the passage of time for that object. This was confirmed with unstable particles being accelerated at high speeds. Their half-lifes became elongated by the amount of time predicted by the theory of Relativity.
"There is a very long list of scientists and mathematicians that presupposed supernaturalism. I can name a few. Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Carl Linnaeus, Blaise Pascal, Johannes Kepler, Brian Kobilka, Gerald Gabrielse, Francis Bacon, and of course Sir Isaac Newton in his work "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica." There are hundreds more I can name, in every field of science and education. The education system as we know it was largely founded on Christian, or super naturalistic fundamentals."
==Yes, some people say that the education system was founded by christians. Some say that modern science was founded by christians. Some would even say that it was founded by the white race, which means it is the superior race.
I would not make those statements.
Yes, I agree that those people were christian but that is normal. It was a long time ago.
Antonie van Leeuwenhoek was born in 1632 in a christian family. The chances are pretty high that the kid will also be christian and remain so as he grows up.
The Europeans had an advantage. They were advancing. They were ship builders. They had the best weapons. They would go around the world and discover new locations. They had creative people. How did christianity play a role in this?
I don't think it played any role.
A good scientists, a creative person, given the right environment, the right entourage of encouragement, would be able to work and make discoveries no matter what his religion is and that is what we see today.
BTW, Sir Isaac Newton believed in alchemy which is none sense. He also could not explain the precession of Mercury and said that is evidence of the jewish god.
The theory of Relativity was able to match the observation quite precisely and so, the idea of "the gods did it" have once again been replaced by a naturalistic explanation.
"You go back to the god of the gaps argument, no one is doing that. You must not have read ID material, Principia or any other serious scholar that comes to the conclusion that there is a creator."
==I have read a couple of papers that they don't publish in anything official. ID summarizes to this: It is complex, therefore nature could not come up with it, therefore the gods did it.
Another formation of theirs is that the chances of forming a protein is 10^120, therefore, the chances of forming via natural means is unlikely. (This one I have heard numerous times from creationists).
Anything else?
"You dismiss dreams, but you should read works like "Man and his Symbols" by Carl Jung. I would recommend "Orthodoxy" by GK Chesterton, that will help you value myth, imagination, and the mind."
==Feel free to give me an example.
"I would recommend looking into William Lane Craig, reading some of his material and dealing with serious scientists like James Tour, Stephen Myer and John Lennox"
==I have seen William Lane Craig in debates. I was not impressed. He does not do scientific research and thinks that the kalam cosmological argument means a god exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument
The kalam cosmological is not an argument for a god. It is an argument for a cause.
I also looked at a couple of James Tour videos. In one of them he was crying and says Jesus popped up in his room. Sorry, I don't buy it.
In another, he shows that he doesn't know the difference between abiogenesis and Evolution theory.
On top of that, he shows that he doesn't understand that science replaces his religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_C._Meyer
"Stephen C. Meyer (born 1958) is an American advocate of the pseudoscientific principle of intelligent design. He helped found the Center for Science and Culture (CSC) of the Discovery Institute (DI), which is the main organization behind the intelligent design movement.[1][2][3] Before joining the DI, Meyer was a professor at Whitworth College. Meyer is a Senior Fellow of the DI and Director of the CSC.[4]"
I have seen John Lennox in debates. I was not impressed. He makes appeals to emotions rather than talking about evidence.
In summary, it doesn't matter if a scientist believes in whatever gods. None of them have any evidence and none of them can present a supernatural material that has been analyzed.
"This will be my last message."
==Why? This was an interesting conversation.
Show me the best material, the best evidence or any evidence that supports ID.
What does ID teach us?
As far as science goes, physics, chemistry, biology and all of the subdomains ... none of them include anything supernatural. So it is perfectly fine to presuppose naturalism. As far as any scientist can tell, we are living in a natural universe.
What is a god? It is an old fashion term. They are suppose to be "super" men or women with super powers. The were basically the Superman, Spiderman, Wonderwoman of the old days. Once in a while they show up to help humanity or something.
They are basically aliens but the ancient people called them "gods".
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@damminers49 :
"ok how can those things be easily made?"
==Abiogenesis is not a solved problem, however, there are ideas. For example, look up RNA world hypothesis and the experiments that relate to it.
It is better to try to figure out a solution and experiment rather than give up and claim "the gods did it", which is the lazy man's answer to everything.
That's like going to the hardware store and asking the helper, "How do I paint my room" and he answers "You paint a room by painting the room".
"Second, can our brightest make a functioning cell, if it’s a simple process?"
==Intelligence is irrelevant.
I am not talking about intelligent design where the designer sits down and tries to figure out which sequence of nucleobases makes a human. That is something that is proposed by theists.
The RNA world hypothesis proposes that a short RNA sequence forms and is able to self-catalyze and make duplicates of itself.
The best replicator wins.
"You are simply speaking about what is seen in nature, it exists ie amino acids and what isn’t seen as a natural complexity such as an engine."
==You are stuck in thinking that if something is complex, then it is not natural. You don't even know what complex means. It is just a word you and ID people throw around. Even I throw it around as you can see. It doesn't have any particualr meaning.
I gave you an example of how complexity is meaningless.
There are certain things that nature cannot do, even if it is simple: iron nails, copper pipe, brock, sheet of glass.
Is number 1 less complex than 111111111?
What is DNA? It is a sequence of nucleaobases than can be converted to letter AGCTAGCTGAGAGA.........
which can be converted to numbers.
If you can have 1, why can't you have 11 or 111, etc?
"How does he misunderstand evolutionary theory"
==I gave you the link to the video. He is confusing abiogenesis with Evolution theory.
Did you watch his video?
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@damminers49 :
"It’s one thing to find assembled amino acids, etc. Its another to assemble them at random."
==#1. There aren't just amino acids that can be made, but also nucleobases and sugars and more complex molecules but that is besides the point.
#2
My POINT IS
I'll give you a very short explanation as to what I was talking about.
When an ID "scientist" compares an engine to a cell, his comparison is deeply flawed.
Like I already explained, the chances of components for your engine to come together properly is 0.
Not only that, but you won't even find the components in nature. The chances are 0.
You won't even find the molds and tools in nature. The chances are 0.
How do you expect an engine to get assembled?
For a cell, the components (amino acids, sugars, nucleobases and various substances) can be made easily. We can say the chances are 100%.
We are already a good step ahead compared to your engine.
The missing piece in our knowledge is how did the first cell form, what was it like, what were the next steps in their evolution?
So don't compare bulk objects to molecular machines.
You were comparing a book with a molecular machine (the cell).
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@damminers49 :
I think the chances of nature producing certain things, even simple things such as a sheet of zinc is 0. If you take a torch and melt some zinc, the forces of attraction between the atoms of zinc would try to shape the zinc into a ball, while gravity pushes the zinc ball onto the ground.
As for the book, the probability of finding processed wood and shaped into paper form is pretty much 0, just like the zinc sheet example.
There is also little chance that the forces of nature would pick up a pen and have it move around the paper to form words/sentences.
In order to make a sheet of zinc, industry uses rollers to press down on a block of zinc and they pass the zinc multiple times between rollers.
The same kind of technique is need to make paper. Paper also requires chemical processes to break down the lignin in the wood.
As for the zinc, there is no zinc in metallic form on Earth. It is a very reactive metal. You can find compounds like ZnO, ZnSO4, ZnCO3 and more complex compounds that contain zinc atoms.
Therefore, molds and tools are needed to make a sheet of zinc or a sheet of paper. Chemical reactions are also needed to make the starting material. On top of that, the tools and molds aren't made by nature either.
So, if I ever find a book in nature, I would conclude a intelligent being created it.
There are certain shapes that nature doesn't tend to produce, like iron nails, hammers, sheet of glass, bricks, copper pipes. All those things require molds and tools to shape the material.
Nails, hammers, sheets of glass are all very simple shapes. Much more simpler than a book.
We don't find any of them in nature.
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@biffalobull2335 I try to understand different people’s point of view.
Some people have a christian background and from their point of view, a person is either male or female and they claim that this is determined only by the 23 chromosome pair.
This was something that was though in biology class as well.
I’m not talking about all christians, since there are various sects of christianity, and perhaps in each sect, the opinions are not uniform either.
Some christians that think you are born as a male or female, based on genitals and that the genitals reflect what role a person should play.
They also tend to have a problem with homosexuality since there are lines about it in their Bible.
For most people, it is not a problem since they are heterosexual and they are male and have male organs or
they have female organs and they are heterosexual and are comfortable in their bodies.
It is only a problem for minority groups since they might be born into one of those christian families or village or city. It turns their lives upside down.
Then, there is the authority, such as the federal government. For example, in Canada and in the USA, the government decided that homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else and should be allowed to marry.
But what about democracy? Shouldn’t it be put to a vote? Shouldn’t the christian groups win and choose how people live their life?
“In fact you’ve not only boarded the train to La La Land, you’ve already arrived and purchased a house there”
==I understand your POV.
I understand that you are upset. Lots of people are upset.
So what should I do? Should I claim that only heterosexual males and heterosexual females exist and join your group?
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@biffalobull2335 “Your definition of racism is from the 60s and your analysis is not based in reality”
==Word definitions are quite flexible. I find that it varies from person to person. For example, when someone uses the word spiritual, I ask them what it means to them.
Some of them explain while some of them respond with “You know what it means and you are pretending not to know” and then I have to respond with “the definition varies and that is why I ask him and yet, they don’t provide their definition.
For the question of racism:
I have had that experience recently when someone said there is no such thing as race and he linked me to a video. I watched it entirely. It is from a geneticist.
I pointed him to the later parts of the video where the geneticist gives an important conclusion. Although there isn’t a clear cut set of genes that tell us that such and such is asian, such and such is from african descent, such and such is a native of north america, there is a certain set of genes that appear with a higher frequency in certain populations.
Essentially, what that means is that race is a real notion. We can all see it with our eyes when we look at the shape of a human skull and genetics backs it up.
There is a certain episode of the Eye of Nye, starring Bill Nye the science guy. A certain geneticist shows that genetics does not support the notion of race but I think she had only measured the presence of 4 genes.
I don’t think that is enough. For eye color, only one gene controls eye color. For the notion of race, I don’t know but there must be plenty that control skull shape and other features.
I have heard someone claim that math is a european thing.
Racism is real but in order to fight it, it is making some people insane. By insane, I mean that their belief is not matching up with reality/observation.
Truth is subjective? Maybe.
It is clear that word definitions are subjective. If you want to base the definition of race on the presence of 4 genes and you conclude that race doesn’t exist, then that is true.
If you want to define race via the presence of 50 genes, maybe then you will conclude that race does exist.
If you want to define a corvette as a certain structure and if I remove a certain screw, then maybe it is no longer a corvette.
What is a woman? Is it defined by the 23 chromosome pair? Is it define by the brain? Is it defined by the genital organs?
When a baby is born, hospitals use the genitals to declare a baby as male or female.
But the baby grows up and maybe he feels like a woman.
Then it turns into a legal battle since society’s definition of male and female is based on genitals at the hospital.
Merry Christmas to you!
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@mangs9940 Yes, I was generalizing. That’s what statistics are for. Statistics tell us about trends. They give us clues as to what is going on.
Of course there are plenty of scientists that are religious.
There was an article on the Huffington Post that shows that countries with the best standards of living are the most atheist. This makes sense since when life is hard, people with very little solutions are desperate and they lean on religion as a crutch. For sure, the old days, thousands of years ago, life was much harder.
The converse is also true. The easier life gets, the more engineering solutions, the more technological solutions, the more medical solutions there are, the less humans need the god-aliens to help them out.
The less science savvy a person is, the more gaps he has in his knowledge and the more likely it is that he will be a young earth creationist.
However, there was one university professor, a chemist, that they showed that was a young earth creationist.
There was a 2009 statisitc from Pew that shows:
95% of the general public state that they believe in a god.
5% of the general public DO NOT.
51% of scientists state that they believe in a god.
48% of scientists DO NOT. We count don’t know since they are not stating that they believe in a god.
(Survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science)
There was some statistic on Nasonline, also on wikipeda and also on Nature:
Among the members of the National Academy of Sciences in the United States, 7% believed in the existence of God, 72.2% did not, and 20.8% were agnostic or had doubts.
I just put people who say they are agnostic in the non-believer group. So, you have 7% believers vs 93% non-believers.
Definitely, in the scientific community, there are far less believers than the general population.
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@markmorris7123 :
"The first children born after all catastrophes suffer huge fatalities.. Look at what happened to the minoans when the thero volcano erupted.. Same thing.. Because of starvation, and poisoned soils they actually ended up sacrificing and eating some of their first born... By the time the second born comes the ash clouds filters away. We have weak immune systems as a babies."
==1. You are assuming that each family has 1 son and no other kids and that they are all 1 month old.
2. Most likely, some have +10 kids, some have a first born daughter, some have a first born son. People back then had a lot of kids.
3. Some first born sons might be 25 y, some are 1 month and everything in between.
4. So like John Smith (OP) said, the story is funky.
5. If you want to believe in a magical god that kills first born sons, go for it. I'll stick with the evidence: no gods detected.
This is what Cee mac posted:
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This is what the LORD says: "About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again."
— Exodus 11:4–6
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@Bill-sl8dy I agree. I don't see the point of making prostitution illegal.
It is like the baptist women of the 188x trying to make ethanol illegal. Eventually, it became illegal in the USA, it went underground. Criminals got involved and I think 10,000 were killed. The government lost revenue and in a few years, they canceled the law. Some parts of Canada also enacted the same law at the same time and it failed in a few years.
It is the same with marijuana. For years, they were putting sellers and buyers in jail. Eventually, it became legal in Canada and official stores opened. Those who love that stuff can buy it legally, they can enjoy it at home.
Why is cocaine, crack, heroin still illegal?
Tax money is spend at the border to stop these things from coming into Canada. They train dogs, they train officers, they go around looking for carriers and jail them. It is a big waste of taxpayer money.
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@abcd123 456789
This is from a book called Turkish Atrocities in Bulgaria.
When it comes to the Turkish military, they have no problems massacring women and children.
So, don't come to me and complain about an Armenian pogrom from 1987 that displaced a few thousand azeris.
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Another witness to the aftermath of the Massacre is American journalist Januarius MacGahan who described what he saw as follows
"There was not a roof left, not a whole wall standing; all was a mass of ruins... We looked again at the heap of SKULLS AND SKELETONS before us, and we observed that they were all small (CHILDREN's SKULLS) and that the articles of clothing intermingled with them and lying about were all WOMEN's apparel. These, then, were all WOMEN AND GIRLS. From my saddle I counted about a hundred skulls, not including those that were hidden beneath the others in the ghastly heap nor those that were scattered far and wide through the fields. The skulls were nearly all separated from the rest of the bones – the skeletons were nearly all headless. These women had all been beheaded...and the procedure seems to have been, as follows: They would seize a woman, strip her carefully to her chemise, laying aside articles of clothing that were valuable, with any ornaments and jewels she might have about her. Then as many of them as cared would violate her, and the last man would kill her or not as the humour took him....We looked into the church which had been blackened by the burning of the woodwork, but not destroyed, nor even much injured. It was a low building with a low roof, supported by heavy irregular arches, that as we looked in seemed scarcely high enough for a tall man to stand under. What we saw there was too frightful for more than a hasty glance. An immense number of bodies had been partially burnt there and the charred and blackened remains seemed to fill it half way up to the low dark arches and make them lower and darker still, were lying in a state of putrefaction too frightful to look upon. I had never imagined anything so horrible. We all turned away sick and faint, and staggered out of the fearful pest house glad to get into the street again. We walked about the place and saw the same thing repeated over and over a hundred times. Skeletons of men with the clothing and flesh still hanging to and rotting together; skulls of women, with the hair dragging in the dust. BONES OF CHILDREN AND INFANTS everywhere. Here they show us a house where twenty people were burned alive; there another where a dozen girls had taken refuge, and been slaughtered to the last one, as their bones amply testified. Everywhere horrors upon horrors..."
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@williamdavis9562 When you said “I'm not sure what events from over 100 years ago between you and a third party have to do with what happened with the Azeris in the 1990s.”, that gives me a vital information as to how you understand the situation.
This is also why I asked:
BTW, what is your culture?
Is there a reason why you aren’t answering?
To help you understand, the genocide of 1915 has left a big effect on armenians. In fact, since the invasion of the region by turks, it has left a big effect on the future of Armenia. Armenia is basically a crippled country.
Previous to that, it was the Byzantine empire that ruled and before that, it was Rome. The relationship with Greece and Rome wasn’t bad since we are of similar culture, similar religion.
For the 1915 event, it is said that about half the population of armenians have been killed. For Assyrian, probably way more than half.
The 1915 events spread a lot of armenians to various countries. In fact, most armenians live off their native lands, which is now under the control of Turkey.
In the 196x, armenians began to organize protests and wanted official recognition by various nations and they wanted reparations.
This is something that Turkey definitely took notice. Initially they denied that any such event occurred. Eventually, that turned into there weren’t many armenians living in Turkey to begin with. At some point it turned into, it was war, At some point it turned into they killed 3 million turks, At some point it turned into they were cooperating with Russia so we deported them to Syria and fed them and made sure they had cloths and money.
I have heard all those at various times from turks while being on the internet.
Another thing repeated often is that Turkey has opened its archive. Why hasn’t Armenia opened its archive?
Answer: there was no Armenia and no Archive. Our government was Turkey. The only government that has archives about this is Turkey.
We suspect that Germany has extensive archives since they were close with Turkey.
Another thing that I have heard is that the people or country responsible for it is the Ottoman Empire and it does not exist, therefore Turkey is not guilty.
Well, if I go and commit a robbery and change my name, I am not longer guilty?
The turks are working hard to get politicians on their side. One FBI agent reported that they tried to bribe a certain politician. She did an interview with Vanity Fair.
There are armenians working as spies and following up on what they do.
Here is a block of text:
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds testified under oath Saturday about shocking details connecting the Turkish government to an intricate network of individuals and organization that bribed, persuaded, and – at least in one case – blackmailed US lawmakers and corrupted American government officials. Corruption. Espionage. Bribery. All to ensure that the US does not recognize the Armenian Genocide ever again.
End block of text.
It is extremely important to the turks that the genocide does not go to court at the UN level. Their closest collaborators is Azerbaijan.
No doubt they have had many meetings since Soviet Russia crumbled.
Does that help explain things? Do you understand the connection of an event that happened 100 y ago with what is going on today?
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@williamdavis9562 First off, I asked a question. Make sure that you answer it on your next reply.
I asked
Which people are you talking about? You mentioned the Russians.
There is no reason for armenians do deny killings of turks or azeris.
Sometimes, turks mentioned how certain representatives have been killed. Ya, but how many? You can count on your fingers. These are also people who architected the genocide of 1915 and some were just a message to the world to wake up I guess. I say I guess since I don’t know every detail.
But imagine the turks mentioning a few people killed by armenians. Why is that so important? How could it be that half the population of armenians, more than half the population of assyrians and a large number of greeks were killed. Entire families wiped out. They took children and reprogrammed them to be turks. Look up cryptoarmenians. A lot of women who were kids were taken as brides during the ~1915 events.
How is it that for the turks, the lives of those people meant nothing, that the destruction of a many cultures, the destruction of hundreds of churches is no big deal, yet, they are crying about a few turks killed, a few politicians killed?
I wonder what the turks would have done if the situation was reversed. What would you do?
BTW, what is your culture?
The assyrians don’t have a country anymore. Their population going down. Most of them are in Iraq, in unfriendly grounds. Iraq has also been a battleground for 2 decades. Who is going to help them? Are the turks crying for them or even talking about them?
Did I mention that a significant number of armenians live in Iraq?
Also, what about Syria? What a mess. Did I mention that a significant population of Armenians live there as well?
A good chuck of them are the descendants of survivors of the 1915 genocide.
So, I see no reason to deny anything. There is nothing for armenians to lose.
Turkey would lose. They would have to return the Eastern portion of Turkey back to Armenia. They would have to give monetary reparation, basically forever.
The armenian-azerian interaction is based on Russia. It is Russia that gave the eastern portion of Armenia to Azerbaijan. Armenians could not say a word. When finally, the evil Soviet union broke down, Armenians raised their voices. So, look up the Sumgait pogroms. later on, the Khojaly massacre. The azeris call this a genocide.
Human Rights watch says +200 people died and that’s a genocide?
The 1915 events is well documented. There are multiple 3 rd party sources. There are genocide scholars from various universities that have researched it. Even a bunch of turks accept it. There is Orphan Pamuk. There is Taner Akcam who is a historian.
Even Germany accepted its role in the 1915 events.
So, what is your source for this claim that 500k azeris were killed? Have any 3 rd parties talked about it? Again, how is it that Azerbaijan hasn’t mentioned this at the moment that it did happen?
How is it that Orphan Pamuk and Taner Akcam aren’t talking about it?
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