Comments by "William Innes" (@williaminnes6635) on "How Canada Will Fall." video.
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@MrWick-fi8vo Winnipeg I think is more affordable, at least if you can work remote, but the weather is even worse, I have heard they have mosquitos and blackflies, and IIRC the homicide is Thunder Bay like. The one guy I knew who doubled back to the 'peg used to say that everything was nicer in the fairly humble corner of the western Toronto suburbs where we lived - he'd make this comment while we were rolling down one of the chronically underdeveloped streets - and illustrate his point by the relatively more attractive appearance of our drug addicted prostitutes. Anyway upon arrival in Winnipeg I believe he was almost instantaneously imprisoned, which was my takeaway after he began posting a bunch of stuff about how the behaviour of the local FNs really got to him following a long hiatus. When I helped some people I knew move cross country, the other guy with whom I was driving who had done the drive before made a point to avoid Winnipeg. I also knew one guy who trained nurses on hospital equipment who said Winnipeg was the grimmest place he had ever visited, that it made the bad bits of western Toronto suburbs look nice. It might be it's fine so long as you stay out of town on the right side of town with the right overlap of police patrols, but it sort of makes the impression on people that it makes. Southeastern Manitoba did look sort of appealing, if you're a remote worker, especially in late summer when you basically get two climates in one by going east one hour uphill into Ontario.
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@falcor200 A scenario where Canada stops existing is the optimistic one, because it's one where the successor states are able to stay in the First World with some shreds of democratic institutions remaining for them.
The problem is that it became a postnational state starting in the 1960s with secularization. Ontario went in the direction of extending the minimum standard of citizenship rights guaranteed to Catholics as second class citizens to every other minority, then gradually equalizing the citizenship rights of all minorities, becoming stuck in time with the equalization of Catholic school funding in the 1990s under Premier Harris at the high water mark of multiculturalism as an ideology in America, creating a set of soft expectations that American-style rights would predominate, which was not hurt by heavy spending by the Koch brothers on propaganda meant to push the idea of individual rights in the American sense anywhere that spoke English. The reason why there has been no Rivers of Blood scenario in Ontario is because of the 1990s suburban midwestern overculture evolved within a context of enclaves being a feature and not a bug. Whether this survives boomer opposition to housing development sufficient to accommodate the increasing numbers of people with decreasing average points system scores is up for debate. Quebec had the francophone secular tradition which guided its evolution. Outside of obscure online libertarian circles - so this is specifically men, generally post college aged, who choose a specific ideological group - libertarian girls aren't the ones who argue about theory, libertarian girls want to put on their Gadsden bikini and shoot a carbine at an unregistered range until it is time to homeschool their kids. It's exactly the way male sports fans memorize the statistics and female sports fans make sure the bunting is up in the house for the big game - the French and English traditions tend to be oil and water.
Secularism and multiculturalism are not compatible as they exist in these provinces, since there can be only one overarching ideology. The writing should have been on the wall about what that means for over eight years at this point, or when Harper introduced the niqab as a wedge issue and Mulcair's optimism that he could bridge the gap had the effect that it had. It is fair in my view to term this result "Canadian defeat in the War on Terror." The absence of an overarching ideology or close working substitute means that there is not common set of civic values, therefore that in the Benedict Anderson sense of an imagined community, Canada has been failing as a nation for six decades. The pre1960s ideology arguably went back to the 1840s but was codified into a set of formal minimum standards for minority rights by MacDonald. For being one guy with Victorian norms, MacDonald did an excellent job, given there were no Canadian equivalent to The Troubles in Northern Ireland, which had a similar demographic situation of a Protestant majority and Catholic minority.* We have to remember, whereas America was a project of several years of intense discussion, Canada was significantly the project of a lone colonial official deep in a Scotch-powered shamanic meditation who did a three year rush job getting the buy-in from officials in other British possessions. The worst thing Confederation did was give MacDonald's counterparts in Cape and Natal Colony similar ambitions.
The main effect of the "patriation of the constitution" was to sever ties with traditional restraints held by the elites against state overreach. In the absence of these restraints and with nothing in common at the level of civic values between the different provinces, this means that democratic norms will inevitably erode to nothing, unless centralized authority does first.
Bilingualism has been an utterly failed policy whose primary role has been to entrench an unaccountable managerial caste whose collective instincts will always be those of the Stalinist apparatchik. I say this as a bilingual.
A controlled and gradual phase-out of Confederation would be the most logical course of action from the perspective of anybody who might have family who might have to stay in these provinces. Other than the monarchy as a legal entity west of the Rideau - or in provinces which were recognized in 1763 as Indian Territory - and loose cooperation through the Bank of Canada which would be needed to stabilize the value of world CAD deposits and oversee their orderly and controlled redemption into provincial currencies which would, ideally, be allowed to float against one another as much as possible to ward off the Dutch disease, there ought not to be any other shared institutions.
A logical first place to begin would be by devolving the Criminal Code to the provinces. Montreal has anxieties about tools termed varmint guns in points west of Thunder Bay since Quebec people actually become mass shooters. Trying to hold up some kind of half-measure of property rights in Quebec will just result in the collapse of property rights in other provinces.
*I blame the way the Indian Affairs bureaucracy evolved for the damage done to First Nations as economies and cultures. MacDonald is on record as wanting to incorporate the FNs as ridings within the Parliamentary system. Even Egerton Ryerson had nothing to do with the abuses by pedophiles and other bad actors enabled by bureaucrats in the residential school system.
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@anthonysaunders345 You know what, for the sake of argument, I'm going to assume you're speaking in good faith.
There is an intrinsic incompatibility from first principles built in to the predominant evolved forms of regional civic sentiment in these provinces. Multiculturalism in the form in which it exists on the ground with its felt and understood but often unthought and unarticulated assumptions about individual rights can not be reconciled with secularism in the francophone tradition, due to the implicit assumptions multiculturalism makes about individual rights.
By Benedict Anderson definition, a nation represents an imagined community, held together in Anderson's view by specifically print media.
1830s-1840s through 1960s, the old nationalism worked on a system of guaranteed standards of second class citizenship for the nonProtestant minority groups.
I'd argue that this in and of itself was something specifically southern Ontario was able to do because of its heritage in having been originally settled - set aside the Neutral Nation who had been ethnically cleansed by the Iroquois - by Pennsylvania Loyalists who were themselves heir to the culture imported by the Religious Society of Friends along the Black Walnut Trail following the Revolution.
For having had, since the Potato Famine, an analogous ethnoconfessional dynamic to that Northern Ireland imported to it, this ought to be seen as stroke of good fortune that the basic ingredients necessary to build multiculturalism had all ready existed here for so long.
Just because this is going to get to be about five times as long as that, I'd just like to clarify with you that you are, in fact, about 75 years old and speak English as your first language; and would like to ask you in which part of which province or territory you live, and if you or your parents or grandparents moved there from somewhere else. I'm from around Toronto.
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He got it about right I'd say, but he's a bit too optimistic about mutual secession being the way it would go, rather than Ottawa simply becoming a truly authoritarian regime, and privileging the secret police within its power structure to maintain order. Given the death of Canada as a nation since the 1960s, thanks to the collapse of common civic values, and the absence of any dominant ethnic group since forever - the FNs were sixty separate ethnicities prior to colonization, then none of the genocides were full-scale, with the exception of ethnically cleansing the Acadians out of Nova Scotia, and the Beothuks dying of smallpox - which the Prime Minister acknowledged in 2015 as "the postnational state," nothing will stand against geographical determinism, and taken as a unit, Confederation is closest among other countries to Russia, being population centres dispersed along linear infrastructure in a bad temperate climate. All they'd have to do is set up an oprichniki and fiddle the elections just a little bit more each year. Canada lost the War on Terror the worst out of any member of the American alliance structure.
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naw this was damned to happen since the 1960s.
The old majoritarian Protestantism lost its self-confidence when decolonization kicked off outside of India and Ireland. Every bit of pull Canada ever had where it punched above its weight class comes from the point in history when it was, by default, the most important British possession in the British Empire. Had majoritarian Protestants had their self-confidence, it wouldn't have been known as the Quiet Revolution, it would have been known as the Quebec Emergency, and it would have gone as well for Jean Lesage and his faction as the Malayan Emergency went for the chicoms.
It was never going to be an ethnostate, because the Gascon-Breton-Norman admixies never got fully genocided by the British in 1763, and there was never enough admixture between the second and third waves of migration and the sixty or so FN groups.
For a while in the 18th century, there was a chance that enough of what is now Canada would have ended up like Mexico, everybody would be on a common continuum of Amerindian-settler admixture, but that never happened.
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I think he had a bit on the Marathas where he argued they would have burned themselves out with constant warfare. The way to have India never get colonized by the British is you just have Plassey go the other way. Either it doesn't rain that day and the Nawab's weekend warriors are able to fire their muskets, or the Nawab's one general doesn't take Clive's money and actually leads his contingent to reinforce the Nawab, or Clive himself has a bad curry the night before and his judgement is off. Without a win at Plassey, the Seven Years War doesn't result in the East India Company expanding across the continent, with them remaining confined to a couple of coastal trading forts, and possibly getting kicked out of Bengal. The industrial revolution still happens, but the 2BE without India isn't the same thing. UK is not the industrial powerhouse it was in our timeline without the captive market of Company-controlled India. There's also no strategic imperative for the 2BE to be in the Mediterranean, for instance, without the most important colony on the other side of the Suez Canal. British involvement in Africa has much less motivation - the strategic aspect of Cape Colony was identical to that of Gibraltar or Egypt, hold open the sea lane to India - so the pressures which lead to the Scramble for Africa are reduced. Egypt possibly still carves out a swathe of territory uphill of the Nile rapids under that Albanian dynasty. Holland possibly continues to hold Cape Colony - with a dramatically different ethnic composition - Spain and Portugal still hold their enclaves, and indigenous empires like the Sokoto and the Zulus who had the aggression and warrior spirit to expand in our timeline up until they ran into the 2BE might just have kept going. There is no Great Game with Russia over Afghanistan, but, Afghan empires are never prevented from snowballing their way into the Indian princely states every couple of decades. Afghanistan could easily be a major world power today without the legacy left by the imposition of the frontier which divided Pathanstan. With nobody to conquer them besides the Afghans, the Punjabi Empire which started in the 17th century would have most likely continued to be a thing into present day, and most likely be in an ongoing state of intermittent war with Afghanistan. I could see it causing a lengthier period of tensions with America, since South American markets would become relatively more important to colonize with India taken out of the picture. In our timeline, Royal Navy reformer Thomas Cochrane lead South American revolutionary fleets while working as a mercenary in the waters surrounding that continent in the early 19th century. This might, if the British were still the guarantors of Belgian neutrality in 1914 and matters still came to a head then, mean America enters WWI sooner, on the side of the Ottomans, Austrians, and Germans, to get revenge on the British over chronic violations of the Monroe Doctrine. No colonization would also mean no decolonization. There would be no pressure for west Eurasian states to leave their coastal exclaves around the world.
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Liberals on average I believe to be a mixture of ideological Stalinists who actually believe in the crap that came out of the mouth of that genocidal bastard Pierre Trudeau - I'd term them Hitlerists since Pierre Trudeau was as close as these provinces ever came to a Hitler, despite the more frequent attachment of that comparison to his son, Justin has never committed a genocide by United Nations definition, whereas Pierre when he was Indian Affairs Minister oversaw the Sixties Scoop, which fits the fifth clause of that definition, and it isn't really fair to compare somebody who has not committed a genocide to the man who is considered the embodiment of evil in casual contexts due to the genocide to which he is linked - except that Confederation really fits the Stalinist model better, since private investors are free to repatriate their profits, and this was not a freedom enjoyed even by domestic investors in Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s - and pragmatists who are just after pork.
Stalinism has mostly won, so I can appreciate the pragmatists' perspective, they just always seem to pick some new low to demand of their adherents.
However, there could be a thing where bilingual Quebeckers actually do have much more authoritarian values and a more totalitarian perspective on economics and personal freedom than either unilingual francophone Quebeckers further east or Ontario people from west of the Ottawa suburbs.
In other words, it may well be the case that it is just impossible to coexist with you people for cultural reasons underlying your weird Nazi ideas.
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