Comments by "bas kir" (@vinsin328) on "Bilateralism has failed with unreliable Pakistan, why India shouldn't fear mediation | ep 221" video.

  1. But it was India who begged for mediator and even went to UN. So what is your solution?
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  2. Agree but nations are always bigger than individuals.
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  3. so why failed?
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  4. How? Did the first PM hold plebiscite? Who is going to vote now? What Indian leaders can do if Pakistan is not ready to vacate POK foe plebiscite? How that is even possible after 1965 war?
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  5.  @Rayees32  When Nehru said that? You have not answered these questions : 1) How? 2) Did the first PM hold plebiscite? 3) Who is going to vote now? 4) What Indian leaders can do if Pakistan is not ready to vacate POK for plebiscite?
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  6.  @Rayees32  I did, but didnt find any evidence of your any claim. Now can you answer those questions : 1) How? 2) Did the first PM hold plebiscite? 3) Who is going to vote now? 4) What Indian leaders can do if Pakistan is not ready to vacate POK for plebiscite?
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  7. Well isnt that was the idea? I meant we have already declared that as a disputed and 1/3 is already with Pakistan.
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  8.  @bitterlyhonest2307  What people has to do with that?
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  9. But isnt that was the idea that India floated? How declaring J&K an international issue helped India? Since when Hindu start talking about national interest?
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  10. 1) What do you meant by trust? 2) Yes it can be done under umbrella of UN. And it was done in favour of Pakistan.
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  11. 1) It was Nehru who wanted Third Party Intervention and Pakistan accepted. Pakistan is a smaller and weaker nation and need help from P5 countries. 2) India do not want to give J&K to Pakistan via plebiscite as declared by Nehru. 3) Mediator for what between USA and IRAN? 4) Intervention only happen when demanded and accepted like India begged in the UN to declare J&K a disputed territory. P5 countries helped India and accepted that demand. Then India begged UN for plebiscite and P5 countries intervene and accepted India demands. This is how intervention helped India. 5) Depend upon what do you mean by benefit. UN passed the resolution on J&K as demanded by India. As per Nehru giving J&K to Pakistan is beneficial to India. 6) That is problem. Pakistan still can get UN resolution if only move her army and allow for plebiscite and then only third party resolution is possible. So what should India go any solution for Kashmir as of now? Answer is NO. We can think of that much later. These are the steps India should take : 1) Abrogate article 370, Pakistan did in 1970's of similar article. This is put pressure on Pakistan. 2) Flush Bangladeshi Muslims. 3) Try to push some Indian Muslims into Pakistan. Then Pakistan will beg India to make LAC to International border. You need patience for 125 yrs.
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  12. Only P5 countries can meditate.
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  13. True, but we need to accept that Nehru never wanted Kashmir.
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  14. by whom? And who asked for it?
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  15. ?? What journalism has to do with Kashmir issue?
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  16. How India is secular? Which laws? Agree there is no urgency.
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  17. Pakistan cannot go to ICJ but India. But court case can go either way, yes you need political will to take such a big risk.
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  18. Nope, there was no meditation. What terrorism? Making railways is terrorism.
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  19. But J&K is still an international disputed territory. Same is with boundary with China. Agreement are still valid. All Nehru actions are still valid.
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  20.  @dhruv88mm  Agree. you need to be pragmatic.
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  21. Where was he partial?
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  22. So why do you think that Kashmir constitution failed them in getting there?
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  23.  @jehanzebsrinagar3951  So what you are doing in India? What is the point of your struggle? No body is going to give you gold.
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  24. Agree. Also why should we be in hurry. Waited 70+ yrs. Lets wait for another 50-100 yrs.
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  25. You got it. That's the game plan.
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  26. to make J&K as an Independent State.
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  27.  @khanjan4711  That is never going to happen. There is no such option available.
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  28.  @khanjan4711  How?
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  29. Then why India begged for meditation? Then India was not strong country and not even now. How western countries responsible for partition? India claimed to partition Pakistan. Then why went to UN?
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  30. But that doesnt solve the issue?
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  31. 1) It was India who begged for P5 countries for meditation in J&K. 2) Do you trust China? Then why India and Nehru kept on helping China? 3) Who are you to let go Azad Kashmir? It is not yours anyway. It is a disputed territory. 4) Yes, then you have to partition India again. Gazwa-e-Hind - mission of every Muslim.
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  32.  @KunalKMehta08  Which fictitious event are you talking about? I didnt get answer for these : 1) It was India who begged for P5 countries for meditation in J&K. 2) Do you trust China? Then why India and Nehru kept on helping China? 3) Who are you to let go Azad Kashmir? It is not yours anyway. It is a disputed territory. 4) Yes, then you have to partition India again. Gazwa-e-Hind - mission of every Muslim.
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  33.  @KunalKMehta08  1,3 ) Anyway it is a fact, J&K is a disputed territory as demanded by Indians. India won the case so no idea why you wanted to consider that as a mistake. 4) Then why Nehru demanded Independence for J&K in UN?
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  34. How it was a failure?
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  35.    Any evidence?
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  36.    How western power forced Indian Muslims to vote for Pakistan?
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  37.    What that has to do with partition?
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  38. You got it. We should hurry atleast at this point.
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  39. not true and how also? NE is a completely different issue.
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  40. What rights? Noone is forcing anyone.
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  41. Why that is required? That is against concept of nation state. Nope all humans in the world have choice to decide on the country that they want to live. Why do you need will for what?
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  42. 1) What fairness are you talking about? 2) Pakistan - reduction in military budget, no need of rationalisation and terrorism etc. Kashmir is one of the issue there are many other issues. We should not be in hurry resolving issues like J&K.
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  43. 1) Agree then why India went to UN and declare as a disputed territory multiple time by Nehru? What happened to security at that time. 2) What about gifting Tibet to China? 3) Agree that we should keep increasing pressure on Pakistan 4) Again agree, we need to be pragmatic and not to be in hurry related to J&K. 5) Agree article 370 must go along with Bangladeshi Muslims and some India Muslims too to Pakistan. We should keep on increasing pressure little by little. Appreciate your strategic thinking. We should not give up before exhausting all our options.
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