Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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The FBI adopted the 10mm for a short time, but had soon to move to lighter loads, and then they replaced it with 40S&W, that had the same load they were using, but, being shorter, could be used on standard 9mm frames.
It was not a question of small hands. it's a question that agents are not gun enthusiasts. When the 10mm was adopted, the FBI standard issue was the 357 mag revolver, but much agents, with permission, loaded them with .38 Special +p ammos, because they didn't like to train with the 357 mag. That's the problem. When you adopt a round that's uncomfortable to shoot, agents reduce the training time to the bare minimum, and that degrades their performances on the field much more than the more powerful caliber can enhance.
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Blair Maynard The MG42was arguably the most advanced MG of WWII. This is WWI, and had to be compared with other MGs of WWI. However, the MG42 was usually fed with a 50 rounds belt.
The job of a defensive MG in WWI was:
1) the enemy artillery barrage begins. You have to rapidly dismount the MG and take cover. The Villar Perosa was light and apt for this.
2) the enemy artillery barrage ends. You have to rapidly redeploy the weapon, cause the enemies are already running at you. The Villar perosa is light and apt for this.
3)The enemies are approaching, not from were they wants, but through obligatory passages that had been opened through the barbed wire, or through mountain trails. You have to aim at those. But the enemies are not idiots. Any of them is visible only for few instants. In those instants you spray a short burst at them and saturate that position. The Villar perosa has an high rate of fire, and is apt for this.
In defense, the Villar Perosa acts as a long-range shotgun.
As for the offensive role. From 1916 to 1918. the Villar Perosa was not "good" or "bad". It was THE ONLY ONE. It was, and by far, the best thing around for the SMG job, whithout any competition. Infact the Austrians copied it, double barrel, tripod and all. They didn't thought it could have been done better. Cause it was already the best.
But if you prefer to jump into an enemy trench with a bolt action rifle, your choice. I'll go with the SMG, even if it's not perfect.
Besides, 2 seconds for a 20m trench are an eternity.
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This gun has never been designed to be an aircraft SMG. It only happened that the first 350 samples (of over 14.000 produced) had been given to the Air Force (that, at that time, was a branch of the Army) cause the Army wanted the weapon ready to be mass produced first to start to field it. The MGs used on the aircrafts had a different mounting, without the round plate and with normal aerial sights. The round plate was intended to be used on the field with the shield. When used with the shield, the plate was integral part of the protection, and the hole sight was the only opening in it.
As for the rate of fire, it serves the same purpose of the 1200 rpm ROF of the MG-42. they both had not been designed for suppression fire (heavy MGs were intended for that role), but to cover obligatory passages (through the barbed wires, or the mountain trails) and fire only when you actually see the enemy. Since the enemy is no stupid, he is visible only for a brief time, and, for this, a huge ROF is required to hit him.
In 1916 Capt. Bassi, creator of the Arditi, begun to use it, without the shield, to clear the enemy trenches. A stretch ot trench is 20m long at best. With a single burst of the Villar Perosa you can saturate it without even seeing. That's useful, since the assaults were often performed at night.
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@tatumergo3931 Not really.
The concept of the automatic weapon as the centre of the infantry formation came form the observations on WWI, and is typically European. In WWII it was not only of the Germans, but also of the Brits and even of the Italians. The weapons were different, but the concept was the same. That's why, IE, all of them concentrated more on the development of the automatic firearm than on the infantry rifle.
From this concept comes that the automatic weapon is a crew-served weapon. All the infantry squad is a squad of ammo and spare parts bearer for the automatic weapon.
The American concept, that still persists, is that of the infantry squad as a squad of riflemen with the automatic weapon as support.
That's why, IE, the US, in WWII, had an exceptional rifle, and a subpar LMG.
That's why the XM250 had just been selected as SAW for the US Army. The ideal of the Ordnance Corp is to have the MG served by a single men. The XM250 doesn't even have an attachment point for the tripod, because none is going to carry a tripod, nor a quick exchange barrel, because none is going to carry a spare barrel. The MG gunner is going to carry all the belts for the gun, and the 400 rounds he can carry in total are not going to overheat the barrel.
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@aaronwilkinson8963 And how many ammos does it has with two people carrying gun, tripod and ammos?
What's the effective firing range from the bipod, if you choose to not carry the tripod?
If you are limiting an MG to the number of rounds two (or one!) people can carry along with the gun and tripod (and a spare barrel I hope), you are seriously misusing it.
Reality is that the FN MAG, today, is rarely seen not placed on a fixed position, or mounted on a vehicle, but today is not WWII. In WWII the thousands of rounds a MG could fire in a single action had to be CARRIED BY SHOULDER.
And, as soon as a vehicle is no more available, that's still true today.
Of that 9 men crew, three carried the weapon, the spare barrel, the tripod and all the accessories needed to mantain the weapon. The other six were ammo bearers AND any of them had a carbine and ammos for it. It's not that, while the ammo fired and two people (gunner and loader) were servicing it directly, the others were doing nothing.
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