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The safety lever had never been a issue IRL. The front safety solved a real issue of early SMGs, and had never been a problem in combat situations. The fact that a design is unusual does not mean that's failed.
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@alexm566 There's no vintage picture of that weapon used on the field with the safety deactivated. It seems to be a problem only for modern days commentators
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In all the pictures available when the safety is visible, it's free and functioning. It had never been a issue IRL.
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In all the pictures taken at the time, and all the preserved samples, the safety is still there. It was not a problem at all IRL.
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Moreover, since the left hand gives to the gunner the exact position of the magazine holder, it's imposible to miss it, even operating in the dark, or not looking at the weapon at all.
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The only reason of the non reciprocating handle is to prevent the gunner from using it as a forward assist, that's obviously unsafe in an open bolt design. What the handle does while the weapon is firing is not that important.
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The front safety solved a real issue of early SMGs, and had never been a problem in combat situations. Any historical picture and any preserved sample has the safety in place. It's simply a severe case of "if it's different from what I'm used to, then it must be wrong".
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Really it requires only to keep on holding the gun by the safety/magazine holder with the forward hand, and perform all the reloading procedure with the firing hand. A leftie only has to operate the charging handle from above.
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The safety lever had never been a issue IRL. None used this one-handed. The front safety solved a real issue of early SMGs, and had never been a problem in combat situations. The fact that a design is unusual does not mean that's failed.
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Very few blowback SMGs had a bolt hold open. The correct reload procedure for a right handed person is: hold the gun with your left hand by the safety / magazine holder and use your right hand to replace the magazine and operate the charging handle. Is not like you have much to do with your right hand (that's supposed to be your most able one) until the reload procedure is completed, so its better to use it to reload the gun. More, having the left hand on the magazine well, is very easy to change the magazine in the dark, or without looking (is the same reason the UZI designers wanted the magazine in the handle).
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The correct reloading procedure for a right handed person seems to be: hold the gun with your left hand by the safety / magazine holder and use your right hand to replace the magazine and operate the charging handle (that's almost exactly the same procedure of the Bergmann MP35 reviewed last week) and you'll not have loss in combat efficiency at all. Is not like you have much to do with your right hand (that's rupposed to be your most able one) until the reload procedure is completed, so it's better to use it to reload the gun.
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It reminds me the Breda M39, a similar shotgun-style 7.62 NATO battle rifle that competed with the Beretta BM59 for the Italian Army contract. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/08/21/the-breda-model-39-a-1950s-prototype-italian-military-rifle/
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All the 9mm Glisenti cartridges are subsonic 9mm Luger, but not all the subsonic 9mm Luger are 9mm Glisenti. Actually only very little of them are comparable (much subsonic 9mm Luger loads are subsonic only due to very heavy bullets).
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That's how 9mm Glisenti cartridges are currently made, but there are rigid tables to follow for the reload. IE http://www.grurifrasca.net/Sito/Ricarica/pistole/9glisenti.html (the page is in Italian, but the tables are easily comprehensible).
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The FN Hi-Power BDA, one of those submitted to the XM9 program, was double action.
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Three versions of the Hi-Power were submitted to the early trials and XM9 trials. None survived the first phase of the tests.
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They were very common in early 20th century. They replaced mounted infantry, not cavalry. A man on a bicycle can travel farther and faster than one on a horse, while a bicycle is much cheaper than a horse, and can't be killed.
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At 2000m a 6.5mm Carcano bullet still delivers more energy than a .44 magnum at the muzzle.
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In late 19th century cavalry was supposed to have to fight dismounted too, that's why they were normally armed with carbines. The permanently attachad bayonet was to not have to deal with another scabbard.
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@wyattguilliams9472 A combination of effectiveness (because obviously the rifle has to work), ruggedness, cheapness (because in a total war, you need quantity), lightweight of the weapon and of the ammo (WWII soldiers marched a lot), easiness of use and service (WWII soldiers were scarcely trained conscripts).
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Of all the guys trying to fast cycle a Carcano, Ian is the only one i've seen having that problem. Probably he being left handed, and not having familiarity with the rifle, had something to do with that.
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The Finnish government requested the sight to be zeroed for 100m, so fucking the entire logic of the system (being able to hit a human-sized target from 0 to 300m aiming at the center of the mass). Zeroed for 100m the bullet dropped too much already at 200m, so at normal combat distance.
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The Finnish government requested the sights to be zeroed for 100m instead of 200, so fucking the entire logic of the system (being able to hit a human-sized target from 0 to 300m aiming at the center of mass). Zeroed for 100m, the bullet dropped too much first to reach 200m, so at normal combat distance.
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JFK conspiracy nuts: carcanos the worst rifle ever
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No WWII battle had been decided by the rifle. For what the importance of the infantry rifle had been, WWII soldiers could have been equipped with nerf guns.
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Longer, heavier and more complex.
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The Italian rifle is "Model 1891", and the cartridge had been adopted before the rifle.
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You know you are not talking of the same model of rifle, and that, in WWII, there were no problems in finding en-block clips (the ammos were packed directly into the clips) and the smaller cartridges were LESS expensive to manufacture?
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It does the same job, but it's lighter, faster to reload and has one more in the magazine.
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@burroaks7 They are called 91/38. After they scrapped the entire idea of 7.35 (because of the beginning of the war), the Italians keep on manufacturing the "Fucile Corto" in 6.5. the vast majority of the "Fucile Corto" are like that of Osvald.
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Finns requested the sights to be zeroed for 100m, and that fucked the entire logic of the fixed sights.
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No. They raised the calibre for better terminal ballistic. The 7.35 projectile was lighter than the 6.5 one, so it had a flatter trajectory in the first 300m of flight, but a more curved one past it (due to the inferior ballistic coefficient).
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The Finnish government requested the rifle to be zeroed for 100m instead of 200, so fucking the entire logic of the system (being good to hit a human sized target from 0 to 300m simply aiming at the center of the torso). Zeroed for 100m, the bullet's drop was excessive before reaching 200m, so at normal combat range.
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The quality of the Carcanos didn't vary as much as that of the Mausers do. Indifferently from when they had been made, they tend to be less refined than peacetime made Mausers, but better than wartime made Mausers.
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The Finnish government requested the rifle to be zeroed for 100m instead of 200, so fucking the entire logic of the system (being good to hit a human sized target from 0 to 300m simply aiming at the center of the torso). Zeroed for 100m, the bullet's drop was excessive before reaching 200m, so at normal combat range.
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The fixed sight rifle had been made for the 7.35mm cartridge. With the sight set at 200m it had a maximum elevation over the line of sight of 4" at 100m, and a drop of 11" at 300m. It's the short side of an A4 paper sheet. Do you really think it makes a difference on a human sized target aimed at 300m with iron sights? A conscript would have had much more problems trying to estimate the distance to set the sights. With the 6.5 bullet, you have to add a inch more in elevation at 100m and a couple in drop at 300m, still not enough to make a difference. In reality a 300m shot with iron sights had been an incredibly rare occurrence in both world wars. Over 90% of the rifle exchanges happened at less than 100m. In much of the possible battlelfelds, a soldier is not able to even see an enemy standing in broad daylight at 300m distance, because there is something between them. The M16 had an aperture sight set at 300m. The bullet had a maximum eight of 5" above the line of sight at 175m, crossed the line at 250m and was 7" below it at 300m.
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Heavier, more complicate, slower to reload and with a cartridge less in the magazine for no real gain.
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@hendriktonisson2915 They were not very happy with the performances of the 6.5 against light armors. The 8mm Breda, with a AP bullet, could pierce through 8mm of steel, so it was good for vehicle weapons. To be used for an infantry rifle however, it would have required an heavy rifle, and the troops would have carried less ammos.
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Yes.
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With any service rifle ammo since the invention of the smokeless powder the target is dead before hearing the bang. All of them are largely supersonic.
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It was not illegal in any way. It was completely jacketed, and so it was completely legal.
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They didn't in the middle, but in 1938. Then the war begun (in June 1940 for italy) and they decided to scrap all the 7.35 thing and fight it only with 6.5.
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The two lugs are plenty strong for the cartridge (they will be enough even for much more powerful cartridges). In case of failure, the handle prevents the bolt to hit the shooter anyway while at the same time making clear that something bad happened AND not requiring a further unnecessary precision machining.
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Ballistically it's very similar to the .30-30.
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The Breda 37 and 38 were great machine guns.
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The Volksturmgewehr was heavy.
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Carcano bolts are not serialized. Most likely, AFTER the war, when that rifle had been imported, the importer grabbed an available bolt and put it in the rifle.
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Generally straight pull actions didn't perform very well in mud-dirt (the Steyr Manlicher being a partial exception). The Swiss reported the problem even in practice shooting in "operative" conditions.
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Larger caliber is not more powerful, is only larger.
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Generally straight pull actions didn't perform very well in mud-dirt (the Steyr Manlicher being an exception). The Swiss reported the problem even in practice shooting in "operative" conditions.
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