Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons" channel.

  1. When it had been finally tested, none of the samples tested for reliability had been able to reach the planned 15.000 rounds. They had to be stopped at 12.000 rounds because the slide cracked in all the samples (bar one, where the frame cracked). So I guess no.
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  2. ? An MG34 bolt is composed of 28 parts. That of a BAR is composed of 18 parts. This one is composed of ...four parts, recoil spring included.
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  3.  @michaels5210  The BAR, with its pencil, not quick change, barrel could provide a laughable volume of fire in respect to the Breda 30, or any other real LMG. At the start of the war the Breda 30 was issued with two spare barrels. After the first battles, it was deemed to be insufficient, and the provision was rised to four. That means there was the real problem to fire more than 600 rounds in quick succession with the Breda 30. Good luck to do anything close with the BAR. The lone MG operator in WWII exists only in Hollywood. A US B-team (the one with the BAR) was composed of gunner, assistant gunner, ammo bearer. At least three people. The mag change of the BREN was made by the assistant. To operate any WWII belt fed MG without someone holding the belt meant to be in search of stoppages. As for practical volume of fire, the BREN manual allowed the operator to fire ONE MAG FOR MINUTE in normal circumstances. In exceptional circumstances that volume of fire could be enhanced to four mags for minute. Keeping in mind that, at that pace, the barrel had to be changed after 10 mags, and the entire provision of the squad was of 20 magazines. Battles tend to last for more than 5 minutes. The allied reports on the Breda 30 NEVER mention volume of fire as a problem of the weapon.
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  4.  @michaels5210  When used as LMGs, the MG42 and MG34 used a 50 rounds belt can (that the MG eats in 2.5 seconds). Had you ever seen a MG42 gunner trying to change it? It's MUCH quicker to change two or three magazines, even reload the Breda 30 two or three times. It's not by chance that the concept of GPMG took decades to impose itself (It practically needed them to be almost always carried by trucks) and it's not a definitive victory. The General Dynamics NGSW doesn't have a belt-fed option. And you can see how to change some magazine is infact faster than changing the short belts of the other bids. The rate of fire of the Breda is NEVER mentioned as a problem of the weapon in Allied reports. Instead Allied reports indicates that the Breda was more apt than the BREN exactly to be used by a single man, infact a single gunner, with the BREDA, can both reload and change barrel without changing his position, or the position of the weapon. They indicate as issues instead the lack of a carrying handle and that of a dedicated fixed tripod (BUT NOT THE RELOAD OR THE RATE OF FIRE). See how the people that REALLY used the weapons back then gave importance to COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS than what modern harmchair "experts" tend to do? IE, Ian just reviewed the DP-27. It has a quick exchange barrel, right? Not really. Hypotetically, by moving the weapon out of line and grabbing the scorching hot muzzle, you could change the barrel, but in reality, no spare barrels were provided to the gunner. The pan magazine was a good solution, right? Not really. You can't really change magazine without looking at what you are doing, so exposing your head over the weapon. A thing that can easily have lethal consequences. The M1 Garand with its pencil, not quick change, barrel could provide a laughable volume of fire in respect to the Breda 30, or any other real LMG.
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  5.  @michaels5210  Despite the existence of people that take them as gospel, these clips are amateur works, and I take them as that. The "shifting zero" is the classic example of a problem invented because you "know" that the weapon is bad, and so you feel to have to illustrate some "problem". The MG42/MG3 has the front sight on the barrel shroud exactly like the Breda 30. None ever noticed that being a problem in 80 years of use of the weapon. The DP-27, despite having a fixed barrel, and so it could have had the front sight on the barrel, had the front sight on the barrel shroud exactly like the Breda 30. None noticed it being a problem for all the decades of use of the MG. Every modern MG has an optic fixed to the receiver that doesn't compensate for the barrel change. None noticed that being a problem to this day. We are used to movies where weapons always works, but that was not the case in WWII. Then an automatic weapon jamming was not a problem of "if" nor a problem of "when". It was a problem of "how often". At that time it was a REAL problem to manufacture magazines that were so well built to not have feeding issues and so cheap to be discarded on the field. Even the Brits experimented tilting magazines with the BREN (they didn't adopt them in the end, but they were much more awkward than that of the Breda, and you needed two clips to fill one). It was still a felt problem for the NATO countries in the '50s. Have you ever wondered why the M14 has a stripper clip guide? This is the stripper clip of a Canadian FAL, does this remind you something? Only that you need TWO of them to fill a magazine ( https://i1.wp.com/www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-02-at-8.59.38-AM-copy.png?fit=684%2C738&ssl=1&w=640 ) "large gaps to allow gunk to get into ammo" is another "harmchair problem". A minor issue that harmchair "experts" inflates to gigantic proportions "that gun will jam at the slightest sign of dirt!" Ironically the same people seem to came over belt feeding. Were belts closed? I said BOLT. Bolt body, extractor, striker, striker spring, four parts. Do you want to add the locking ring despite it not being really part of the bolt? Make five. A BREN BOLT ASSEMBLY IS MADE OF 30 PARTS. All in all the Breda 30 was an unsatisfactory weapon for several reasons, but the difference between the best and the worst WWII LMG is a question of nuances.
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  6.  @michaels5210  So the change of barrel affects especially the Breda 30, because the Breda 30 was bad, without any document of the time noticing it? Please. You said the thing was complicated, I said why it was not. You then started with "BAR, BREN, zb26, etc…. All very effective with one operator... MG34, much more firepower..." and I'm being passive aggressive?
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  7.  @michaels5210  How was the general tone of "BAR, BREN, zb26, etc…. All very effective with one operator... MG34, much more firepower..." was to you? Tactical and Technical Trends (the magazine of US intelligence), No. 7, Sept. 10, 1942. "Use of Captured Italian Weapons" "The Breda light machine gun is similar to the British Bren gun. It is mechanically superior to the Bren gun under dusty conditions. It requires only one man to service it as compared to several for the Bren gun. It has a slightly higher rate of fire than the British weapon. Its disadvantages are that it has no carrying handle, cannot be fired on fixed lines, and has no tripod mounting." You can google "MG42 drum" and have all the images and descriptions you want. It contained a 50 rounds belt. IE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6q5NRiUP Having already loaded "drums" the operations to switch "drums" are: Rack the charging handle. Detatch the empty drum. Open the feeding window of the loaded drum. Extract the belt to expose some live round. Open the MG. Attach the loaded drum. Place the first round of the belt precisely into the action. Close the MG. All this for 50 rounds. To not wanting to hear is only up to you.
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  8.  @michaels5210  Sorry, Youtube doesn't allow to post direct links. You can search for the "tactical and technical trends", for the Breda 30 English manual (printed by the Brits for the gunners that had to reuse captured weapons) or for George M. Chinn "the machinegun" (Prepared for the Bureau of Ordnance , Department of the Navy, 1951) vol I.
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  9. yeah. It was already present in the first SMG ever.
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  10. It's the MPL that looks like this.
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  11. Any cartridge can be safely fired in a blowback design. It's just a question of weight of the bolt/slide. Almost any 9mm Para SMG is a blowback design, and they are super-safe. Actually the weight of the slide to be safe against case ruptures in a 9mm para design is pretty low. More weight and/or more stiffness of the main spring and/or bufer springs/recoil pads are needed to prevent the slide to slam into the frame with enough force to damage one, the other, or both.
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  12. When mounted on vehicles or aircrafts, an articulated metal belt was used. https://66.media.tumblr.com/e032707f816bf00b0afb09c239210c55/tumblr_ozu1ztqzDC1tevf1do1_640.jpg
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  13. Nowadays Steinel sells complete ammos and spare bullets of the correct dimensions for fairly cheap.
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  14.  @jamesmitchell1471  The M60 had those problems from the first to the last gun assembled. Some of the other problems had been dealt with and, let's be very generous "fixed" (to "fix" the self-unscrewing gas nut with safety wire cries for vengeance), some other didn't (IE the many different ways you can reassemble the weapon the wrong way), but the receiver of the thing is simply stretched beyond usability after 15.000 rounds (provided the rivets are still in their place at that point). An FN MAG lasts for over 150.000 rounds. If you want to fix the flimsiness problem of the M60 you have to redesign much of the parts, and add those pounds.
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  15. It was common to all the first generation SMGs. Bumping the stock, the bolt retreats enough to pick a round from the magazine, but not enough to engage the sear. The crossbolt safety of the 38/49 prevented that, but it had to be engaged to work.
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  16. Unfortunately Ian left out the fact that's actually a LOCKED BREECH gun. It's called an "expander lock". In theory there's no limit to the power of the ammunitions this gun can use, as long as the frame is strong enough. https://patents.google.com/patent/US461968A/en
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  17. There was no logistic needed for the clips. Rounds were packed into the clips right from the factory. You couldn't have the ammos without the clips.
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  18. Really it requires only to keep on holding the gun by the safety/magazine holder with the forward hand, and perform all the reloading procedure with the firing hand. A leftie only has to operate the charging handle from above.
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  19.  @slthbob  Nothing goes on inside the bolt, sorry, and the AR15 isn't a gas delayed blowback system in any way (between the AR15 and a gas delayed system there is a further gradation, the "gas unlocked blowback action", like that used by the HS.404 and the Scotti MGs). In the AR15, when the gas pushes the bolt carrier rearward, the bolt is simply solidal to the barrel. The AR15 is a direct impingment action because the bolt carrier is directly pushed by the gas, and nothing else. There is NOTHING that mediates between the expansion of the gas and the bolt carrier. Obviously you can obtain it with different shapes of the bolt and the bolt carrier, like piston action can have different shapes of the bolt and the bolt carrier.
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  20.  @slthbob  Sorry, but I explained my point. You, instead, preferred to talk about the sun.
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  21.  @slthbob  Sorry, but I explained my point. You, instead, preferred to talk about Santa Claus.
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  22.  @slthbob  And you still are incapable of talking about firearms. At this point you could have learned something.
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  23. ​ @slthbob  And you are still are incapable of talking about firearms. You prefer to talk about colors now.
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  24.  @slthbob  So you are talking about medicine now? Think that, at this point, with a little studying, you could have been able to discern the stock from the muzzle.
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  25.  @slthbob  And still you are incapable of talking about the matter. Unfortunately all that you are pointing out is your ignorance.
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  26.  @slthbob  And still you are incapable of talking about firearms, and demonstrating that you are the one seeking for attention. You are pretty funny BTW. Keep on.
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  27.  @williepelzer384  Males didn't like the recoil too. An FBI Agent is not necessarily a gun enthusiast.
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  28. Among WWI machineguns, only the Hotchkiss is marginally simpler than this.
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  29. It's actually pretty important, when designing a gun for accuracy, to leave the barrel free to float, without other parts of the weapon touching it (part for the rear, where it's attached to the receiver), so to not damage the harmonics of the movement.
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  30.  @My-Name-Isnt-Important  Mind that Beretta already entred in the GD bid, to improve ergonomics of the "second generation" prototypes, and already assured high-volume production capabilities, through the Tennesse factory, should the bid win the contract.
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  31. It's a way to slow down the ROF. Increase the weight of the bolt and/or lenghten it's travel.
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  32. WWI European experience in WWI was almost the same. Practically no soldier adjusted the sight. Not that it would be of any benefit, since 99% of the rifle exchanges were done under 100m distance.
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  33. Good double feed magazine. Unfortunately it wasn't meant to last 100 years, and caused some malfunction. However the OVP was chambered in 1915 Glisenti, a hotter 9mm Glisenti ammo developed for the villar Perosa SMG. It's about 10% less powerful than a standard 9mm parabellum (instead of the standard 1/4 less of the 1910 Glisenti load). IE USCCo made a batch of 84 millions of those cartridges loaded with 4gr bullseye for the Italian Army during WWI. http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g377/r3dj3st3r/9mmGMaxim.jpg
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  34. The rifle used the same round of the Italian and German 20mm AA guns, so there was a wide range of SAP, HE and incendiary ammos available for it.
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  35. The Brits regularly reused the captured Breda 30 both in East and North Africa. They printed instruction manuals in English for the gunners that were ISSUED with the captured Breda 30 and, in the reports, even praised them, comparing it favourably with the Bren.
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  36. A badly bubbaed weapon that Ian did put his hands on and described for fun.
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  37. All the Carcano videos have been already filmed, so the pronunciation will remain the same in all of them.
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  38. The 9mm M882 ammo had a 124 grain bullet traveling at 1250 fps. 583 joules of energy The standard military .45 load had a 230 grain bullet traveling at 830 fps. 477 joules of energy.
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  39.  @marcuscook5145  I'm comparing the military loads the author of the comment carried. The result, like it or not, is that the 9mm had not " half the kinetic energy" of the .45 ACP but had more kinetic energy than the .45 he carried. M882 is not a "modern 9mm load" by any mean. It's almost 40 years old.
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  40. Sometimes I wonder what the viewers actually see when they watch theese clips. It's acutally a lot easier to strip field this than a BAR. The bolt of this gun is made of 4 parts in total. The one of an MG34 is made of 28 parts.
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  41. The Swiss never adopted it. It had been mainly used by the Italians in N. Africa.
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  42. Simply a disassembly is not a field strip. Wen you find a screw (IE on the Gew-43), it's not the designer being an idiot, and not knowing that a screw requires a scredriver. It's the designer telling you that you don't need to disassemble that part on the field. There is nothing that can really go wrong there and, in the improbable case it does, there's nothing you can do to fix it on the field. The rifle is not really complicate. Burst mechanism apart (an added part, not required for it to work) it's made with less parts than most current gas operated ARs. The bolt is an incredibly simple 6 parts one, charging lever included.
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  43. Yeah. It can fire bot the 9mm Luger and 9mm Glisenti, but for it was specifically developed and commonly used the "9mm M38" cartridge, that's a sort of super +P+ (124gr, 428m/s at the muzzle, so 732J of energy, that's in 357 SIG territory).
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  44. Just to say one, when Ian extracted the bolt, it was already assembled the wrong way. The plug should be ahead of the spring, not behind it.
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  45. The weapon had been higly successful, so much that the Austrians copied it, double barrel, tripod and all. At the end of the conflict a total of 14.564 MGs had been produced (so, more than 29000 barrels, VS only about 5000 MP18), and 836 millions of 9mm Glisenti rounds for them. Mind this. THERE WAS NOTHING BETTER AROUND. When the guy with the Villar Perosa, after having thrown a couple of offensive grenades into the enemy trench to stun the enemies, came over the edge with the SMG in his hands to clear it, he didn’t find the guy with the MP18 waiting for him. Because there was not any MP18, or anything similar. What he had in his hands was incredibly better for that role than anything the enemy had. After having adopted the Villar Perosa, the Italians took almos three years to develop the OVP18 and the MAB18 (that were nothing more than a single Villar Perosa barrel mounted on a Moschetto TS stock) not because the Villar Perosa was unsatisfactory, but because it was so satisfactory that none felt the urge to modify it.
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  46. For what it does it's simply bloated and overweight. What's offensive in this handgun is that they still had the Colt 1971 prototypes floating around, that only needed a decocker and a threated barrel to be a much superior pistol. Why they chose to use the Double Eagle trigger group, that was notoriously flimsy and prone to breakages (it was simply a mass produced Seecamp 1911 double action conversion, so an aftertought, for how much well conceived) for a pistol destined to high round counts is beyond me.
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  47. It's more an evolution of the MAB 18/30.
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  48. More a professionally fine tuned one.
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  49. Not "as a civilian" but "as a hunter". Many countries limit the number of rounds a shotgun used to hunt can have.
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  50. To counter cavalry charges. When those rifles had been designed, cavalry charges were still a thing (they had been made obsolete by machineguns, not bolt action rifles, but in late 19th century machineguns were still viewed as a rare and exotic thing) and, to counter cavalry charges, the rifle had to double as a spear.
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