Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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Pure short recoil systems (like those used in handguns) and long bottleneck cartridges doesn't match well.
In a short recoil system, in the moment the barrel stops, the case, in respect to the chamber, abruptly passes from "0" to the max speed. Long rifle cases have a lot of surface that's stuck to the chamber's walls, so, even if the pressure isn't high, with this abrupt acceleration there are high chances to damage the cases, sometimes break them, and so jam the action.
To avoid this, there are several possibilities. To unlock the bolt from the barrel first than the rearward motion of the barrel ended, so allowing the residual pressure of the gasses to start extracting the case first than the barrel stops ("chiusura labile", like in the Fiat Revelli 1914). To use a lever action to ensure that the bolt recoils slightly faster than the barrel ( Browning M1919, Brixia 1920, Breda SAFAT...). To reduce the locking surface of the case (fluting the chamber). Or to reduce the friction between the case and the chamber (lubing the case).
Pure blowback weapons are safer in this repect. It's only a question to have enough mass in the bolt so that the energy of the cartridge can't move it rearward enough first than the pressure reaches safe levels.
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@Caseytify How did they pay for the billions of new rounds they manufactured, that were even more expensive? They were adopting a new semiauto rifle (a pretty expensive item) for ALL the Army. ANY previous study concluded that semiautos enhanced the consumption of ammos, so regardless the quantity of ammos in the storage THEY WOULD HAVE ENDED. For much of their expected service life the NEW rifles would have used NEW ammos, and, since the new rifles would have mostly used new ammos, it would have been better if the new ammos were cheaper to manufacture. ALSO, by adopting a lighter service ammo, they would have avoided to adopt a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT action and ammo for the carbine. A problem that was immediately recognizable.
They doubled it with the .30 Carbine. More M1 carbines were manufactured than M1 rifles during WW2.
Yeah, and it would have been better to spend some money and test it BEFORE the war, instead than adopting it without having tested it, and spending some year IN the war with tropedoes that didnt' work. Sometimes, stupid decisions are not justified by the mindset of the time. They are simply stupid. Comparatively poor countries in respect to the US had working torpedoes. Japan started war also for the US announcement that it would have built a fleet bigger than the world's second and third ones combined. So they had some money to spend.
Yeah, I explicitly stated it: "With the benefit of hindsight".
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Exceptionally reliable, exceptionally stable while firing in full auto (you can se Ian's clip of him firing it), very accurate, optimally designed magazines.
Every competitor failed in one or more of those departments.
Yeah. Obviously the army, once the reality of mass warfare kicked in, preferred more simple to manufacture versions, but had not been the only one. Other nations started the war with comparably complex or even more complex SMGs (Thompson, MP35, Lanchester, KP31...), and kept on manufacturing them until the end, yet they were not on par.
Roy Dunlap's classic "Ordnance Went Up Front": "The Beretta 38 is my favorite gun of its class, as it was of the Eighth Army. As easy to fire and control as a .22 sporting autoloader, it had terrific punch and range. The special 9mm cartridges loaded for it made it effective at 300 yards and dangerous up to 500 (when you consider that the .45 Thompson is an even-money bet at 100 yards, you'll understand why we liked the Beretta). It would operate well with German, British or American 9mm Luger ammunition," ... "the later model guns were equipped with bayonet studs, and with a fixed bayonet and a ten-round clip they were the answer to a soldier's prayer for guard duty of any kind - prisoner chasing or just keeping them out of the mood for argument. All the guns were really accurate and a pleasure to shoot. No one ever bothered with any other kind of submachinegun if he could get hold of a Beretta M38 and keep it. The New Zealand boys especially loved them. Even the Germans liked it, and they hated to admit anything was good except their own stuff."
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When it was in use it was no "good", it was "the best".
The weapon had been higly successful. So much that the Austrians copied it, double barrel, bipod and all. At the end of the conflict a total of 14.564 MGs had been produced (so, more than 29000 barrels, VS only about 5000 MP18), and 836 millions of 9mm Glisenti rounds for them.
Mind this. THERE WAS NOTHING BETTER AROUND.
When the guy with the Villar Perosa, after having thrown a couple of offensive grenades into the enemy trench to stun the enemies, came over the edge with the SMG in his hands to clear it, he didn’t find the guy with the MP18 waiting for him. Because there was not any MP18, or anything similar, there were only bolt action rifles and showels. What he had in his hands was incredibly better for that role than anything the enemy had.
After having adopted the Villar Perosa, the Italians took almos three years to field the MAB18 (that were nothing more than a single Villar Perosa barrel mounted on a Moschetto TS stock) not because the Villar Perosa was unsatisfactory, but because it was so satisfactory that none felt the urge to modify it.
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