Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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@angry_ike7628
7.65mm Parabellum produces 412 Joule of energy, not ft-lbs. Those are 304 ft-lbs. Not really different than the 8mm Roth-Steyr (that would easily surpass it with a bullet of comparable weight).
Overall lenght:
.30 Super Carry, 29.7mm,
8mm Roth-Steyr, 29,0mm
7.65X20 Longue, 30.24mm
Bullet diameter:
.30 Super Carry, 8mm,
8mm Roth-Steyr, 8.16mm
7.65X20 Longue, 7.85mm
Base diameter:
.30 Super Carry, 8.8mm,
8mm Roth-Steyr, 8.85mm
7.65X20 Longue, 8.53mm
Bullet mass:
.30 Super Carry, 100gr,
8mm Roth-Steyr, 113-116gr
7.65X20 Longue, 77gr
Energy:
.30 Super Carry, 470J
8mm Roth-Steyr, 390-410J
7.65X20 Longue, 297J.
So I confirm, the .30 Super Carry is more similar to the 8mm Roth-Steyr, both for dimensions and energy than to the 7.65X20 Longue, that shoots a much lighter bullet with much less energy.
The 7.65 Parabellum has very similar performances to that of the 8mm Roth-Steyr, especially considered that the 8mm Roth Steyr would develop more energy with a 100gr ball (a la .30 Super Carry) and even more with a 93gr ball (a la 7.65mm Parabellum).
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That's what happens when an inventor gets enamored of an idea.
At a certain point, he realizes it's impractical in respect to other, established, solutions, but he wants to make it work.
However, let's not exagerate. The functioning is complex, but the individual pieces are rather simple to make.
For a comparison, the Zb. vz 26 / BREN was simple in its functioning, and had less moving pieces, but the bolt and carrier are the nightmare of a machinist.
Fact is that too many moving pieces are a problem by itself, since it multiplies the things that can go wrong.
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@davidvarnes7708 For 1934 It was simple to make too. The BAR, BREN, MG34 and Type99 (and both the BREN and MG1934 had been selected in 1938, the Type99 in 1939) had more complex machining. Among the most used LMGs of the time, Only the DP28 could be considered simpler to manufacture.
But generally, though I like it, it seems like a promising prototype put in production before all the elements had been figured out throughly.
Very good and simple operating mechanism, barrel change mechanism, general ergonomy, controls, gas settings…
But three sets of lugs? That bipod (I’ve seen better in WWI)… no handle to grab a scorching hot barrel… And that magazine…
It could have easily been so MUCH better.
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@hannibalkills1214 if... if... If the enemy was not armed with firearms, an MG wouldn't have been needed at all. "Reality doesn't work like that". The German army's reality was that they had to adapt to the situation like everyone else, and a tool that limits your ability to adapt is a liability.
The BAR was suboptimal because it's firepower was very limited in respect to it's weight (among some other problem) due to the fact of not having a quick exchange barrel. All in all, with all it's limitations, the Breda 30 was a better LMG. Simply the US had the industrial capability to "throw more BAR to the problem". Also the ability to "call for Arty" made so that MG tactics had always been neglected by the US Army (still today). IE, in a British squad, every grunt was instructed in how to use the BREN and, had only one remained alive, he was supposed to use the BREN. In a US Army squad, only the BAR gunner and his assistant were trained in using it.
The GPMG concept (and the centrality given to the MG tactics by the Germans in WWII), did born because the WWI peace conditions limited the number of both LMGs and HMGs for Germany (and practically banned mortars and artillery). To have an MG that could cover (even with some limitations) both roles, in a certain sense, doubled the allowed nuber.
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The complain about the dispersion at Gaudo had been made by Adm. Iachino, but he had to justify his fiasco of the subsequent night someway. We have the direct witness of the Fire Director of the Vittorio Veneto, that didn't considered the dispersion of the salvos to be anything out of the ordinary.
Simply the Vittorio Veneto fired from very long distance, in two different actions of 10 and 19 salvos each (between the two, the British ships were completely covered in smokescreens, so the Vittorio Veneto had to re-adjust the aim when it spotted them again) vs. two ships that, with a time of flight of the shells of over 40" could manuver to avoid the shots when they spotted the blasts.
The Battle of the Espero Convoy already demonstrated that, even at half that distance, it was nearly impossible to hit a ship that was performing evasive manuvers (or in the battle of Denmark Strait, when POW decided to break the contact, the Bismark wasn't able to land a hit any more).
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