Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Replacing Beretta: the S&W XM10 Trials Pistol" video.

  1.  @Scrap_Goblin  The S&W had been eliminated before competing on price.
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  2.  @andyrihn1  Uh, no. In the service life test only the 92F and the H&K P7 reached the 7000 rounds threshold with all three pistols intact. The P226 cracked a frame at 6523 rounds fired, but was allowed to pass, since the requirement was just for a service life, on average, of over 5000 rounds. the P226 failed the dry mud test, with only 79% reliability in those conditions. Being that significantly lower than the 1911 control weapon, it should have been eliminated due to the rules of the competition (notice that instead, in the XM17 trials, there was conveniently not a M9 control weapon around to be seen). It was allowed to keep on competing, because the Army wanted at least two manufacturers to compete on price, so it was simply decided that the dry mud test result was "not so important" and the result was simply not considered. So, not counting the result of the tests were the 92F performed better than the P226, then the P226 performed better than the 92F.
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  3. There had been two separate issues. A pair of cases on the SEALs 92SB, and yes, that was due to very high round count and firing an unprecised mix of ammos. Then on some Army M9, tested for endurance in 1988. 12 had been tested. Generally they reached a very high round count, but a pair of them had the slide cracked at low round count. Initially the Army determined it was due to the steel alloy of the slide, requested it to be changed, and Beretta modified the slides so that even a cracked one could't be projected out of the gun. However Beretta technicians were not persuaded. They were selling 92 series guns to military and police forces all over the world, and only the M9 of the US Army seemed to have problems. They analysed the results of the test, and noticed all the low counts slide cracks happened only when a single batch of Federal Cartridge ammo was used. Once tested by independent labs, it was determined those rounds developed pressure in excess of proofloads (Beretta sued the US government at that point, and the lawsuit was settled with them receiving further $ 10m). Ironically, the 92 remained known for the "slide cracking" problem, while, at that time, its slides were arguably more robust than those of any Browning design competitor.
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  4. Both SIG and Beretta refused to submit pistols for the XM10 trials. The Army used off-the-shelf M9 as control weapons.
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  5. Parkerization does wonders on corrosion resistance for cheap and, reading the requirements of the XM9-XM10 program, it's evident the US Army at the time cared A LOT about corrosion resistance and practically nothing about resistance to sandy environments. Unfortunately, parkerization and sand are instead a recipe for disaster, since sand tends to stick to parkerized surfaces, so we can have an idea on how this pistol would have performed in the next 30 years, had it been adopted.
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  6. In the XM9 program, other than failing the endurance and firing pin energy test, the reliability was less than 1/4 of that of the Beretta 92. In the XM10 program, being the control weapon no more the 1911, but the M9 and, due to the rules of the competition, to perform significantly worse than the control weapon even in one of the tests meant to be eliminated, the chances of the S&W to win without a complete redesign of the weapon were practically none.
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  7. Because it didn't "won the M9 trial in everything but cost". In the service life test only the 92F and the H&K P7 reached the 7000 rounds threshold with all three pistols intact. The P226 cracked a frame at 6523 rounds fired, but was allowed to pass, since the requirement was just for a service life, on average, of over 5000 rounds. the P226 failed the dry mud test, with only 79% reliability in those conditions. Being that significantly lower than the 1911 control weapon, it should have been eliminated due to the rules of the competition (notice that instead, in the XM17 trials, there was conveniently not a M9 control weapon around to be seen). It was allowed to keep on competing, because the Army wanted at least two manufacturers to compete on price, so it was simply decided that the dry mud test result was "not so important" and the result was simply not considered. So, not counting the result of the tests were the 92F performed better than the P226, then the P226 performed better than the 92F.
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  8. Sorry, but the Army didn't want ANYTNING else than the M9. The XM10 trials had nothing to do with slide separation, It was the Congress forcing the Army to redo the test to appease S&W, since, reading the XM9 requirements to the letter, it shouldn't have been eliminated after the life expectancy test, as it did. That's because, thus performing worse than both Beretta and SIG, it was still above the minimum required (the S&W had been eliminated after one of the three pistols tested cracked a frame before having fired 5000 rounds, but the requirement was for a life expectancy of over 5000 rounds ON AVERAGE, and, on average, the life expectancy was over 5000 rounds) and so it should have passed and competed on price with Beretta and SIG. In the end, Beretta won the XM10 trials without even competing. It refused to submit pistols for the tests, and so the Army used off-the-shelf guns.
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