Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Bernardelli P018S: A Hipster's Service Pistol" video.

  1. Wrong time. It entered the market after the other famous metal wondernines (Beretta 92, CZ75 and SIG P220 were of the '70s), so it didn't acquire the same mithical status. It had not been selected by any famous government agency (also because Bernardelli didn't have the financial power of Beretta or SIG) and got everything right, with the model "S", right at the start of the plastic gun frenzy, when an all forged steel gun simply looked "old".
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  2.  @derekakaderek  Professionals, in any field, tend to use the tools that, as Ernest Langdon said about his Savage .22LR rifle, "you can spend a ridicolous amount more, and not get any more gun". Amateurs are most likely to spend insane amounts of money on fancy stuff. As a matter of fact, the P018 was the most common pistol among security guards in Italy in the '80s. It went out of fashion only with the diffusion of plastic guns, due to obvious weight considerations.
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  3.  @arnox4554  The original Beretta 92 had a 1911/style safety and all the 92 series SA only retains it. It had been changed on the SA/DA pistols by request of the Italian Police (Beretta 92S) because it's not a decocker. Beretta introduced a frame mounted safety-decocker on the 84FS, but never on the 92 series, because frame mounted decockers only decock to half-cock, and Beretta considers this an hazard for service pistols.
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  4. As far as I know, Sarsilmaz/Bernardelli are Tanfoglio clones. The P018 / P-One are no longer made.
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  5.  @derekakaderek  What you copied and pasted, conveniently leaving out the part about the gun "was quite well made, and worked very well". was not what you said before. So, how do you passed from: "It was quite well made, and worked very well. It just never managed to be at the right place and the right time, and was never adopted by any organizations of significance" (that's his report) to "it was not adopted because it was cheap?" I'm curious about the way a brain can change the meaning of a statement like that. Again. Several police agencies adopted this pistol. IAN CLEARLY STATES THAT AT 10:20. Jerusalem's Police was among them. I bet you think they didn't know that they were doing and needed your expertise to make a better choice.
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  6.  @derekakaderek  And how you started from "It was quite well made, and worked very well. It just never managed to be at the right place and the right time, and was never adopted by any organizations of significance" (that's his report) and arrived to "it was not adopted because it was cheap?" I'm curious about the way a brain can change the meaning of a statement like that. Again. Several police agencies adopted this pistol. IAN CLEARLY STATES THAT AT 10:20. Jerusalem's Police was among them. I bet you think they didn't know that they were doing and needed your expertise to make a better choice.
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  7.  @derekakaderek  Ian read on his report that several police agencies adopted this pistol. Jerusalem's Police was among them. I bet you think they didn't know that they were doing and needed your expertise to make a better choice. Body guards don't "adopt" pistols. Try again.
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  8.  @derekakaderek  Several police agencies adopted it. The Jerusalem Police among those. But I bet you think they didn't know that they were doing and needed your expertise to make a better choice. Been there, seen it.
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  9.  @derekakaderek  And when exactly did you test the weapon to know it's not "proper"? What are the bases of that statement?
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  10. Conventional slide, not internal slide. The trigger group is different. It has a firing pin block (CZ75 acquired it only in 1992, with the "b") and a decocker. The "barrel guide slot" is similar because both derived it from the SIG P210.
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  11.  @victorpapillon1487  Bernardelli too.
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  12.  @derekakaderek  While I said that professionals, in any field, tend to use the tools that, as Ernest Langdon said about his Savage .22LR rifle, "you can spend a ridicolous amount more, and not get any more gun". Amateurs are most likely to spend insane amounts of money on fancy stuff that does marginally better something and worse something else.
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  13. the look is clearly inspired by the SIG P220, and quite different from anything 1911ish. At least anything 1911ish that was available in the early '80s.
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  14. The S has some change over the previous model. The combined safety-decocker feature, different lenght of the levers, and the separated plastic grips instead of the one-piece wooden grip.
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  15. During WWII, and after, they manufactured fuses for artillery shells.
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  16. Err... no.
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  17. Portugese.
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  18.  @ihcfn  99% of semiauto pistol jams are magazine related.
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  19. The P018/P1 was an all forged steel gun. However casting is perfectly fine if done right. The CZ75 is notoriously casted, both frame and slide.
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  20. A swan. The Bernardelli Cigno (swan) is also their trademark semiauto shotgun.
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  21. It's what they are most known for, and what they still manufacture in Italy.
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  22.  @AsbestosMuffins  Yep.
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  23. It was not a bid in the XM9 program.
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  24. It would be great. Any patent for it expired ages ago (design patents last for 20 years), so anyone can make a perfect copy. However, it's an all forged steel gun. The tooling had been most likely scrapped. So to reintroduce the model would be quite expensive.
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  25. "Military" cartridges are not banned for civilians, where they are, because they are "dangerous". In Italy, when the 9x19 was banned for civilians, they could purchase plenty of more powerful rounds (.40 S&W, .45 ACP, 10mm Auto...). Those bans are made not to control the civilians, but the military. What the legislators wanted to avoid was, for the members of the armed forces, to privately purchase rounds for their service guns.
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  26. It's not a question of grip angle. Italian pistols of the '70s were not made for HP, since armies don't use them, and expansive bullets were (as still are) banned for civilian use. If they worked well with HP it was only by chance. IE the Beretta 92, even the first series, work well with them because, due to the tilting lock design, it doesn't have a feed ramp. So there was no way to design it wrong for HP.
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  27.  @alexm566  Most but not all.
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  28. There is a double layer of safety. The decocker only decocks to half-cock and, even in case the sear fails, there's the firing-pin block.
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