Comments by "ZIPZ" (@zipz8423) on "UK To Send Lethal Harpoon Missiles To Ukraine l Will It Help Counter Putin’s Warships In Black Sea?" video.

  1. They have all moved out of range, those ships have Kaliber which has a range of over 1,000 km. The good thing is the Moskva no longer has any influence in the air battle over that part of Ukraine’s land mass. I think it is job done and we don’t need to supply them with anti ship missiles. None of the Russian Black Sea flotilla will go anywhere near the coast now because they know Neptune is operational. Personally I’d concentrate on manufacturing additional Neptune rounds for Ukraine or at least help them to do it. Right now it is more important for them to get field artillery for the battles along the line of contact in the Donbas and medium range SAMS to frag those high flying Russian bombers.
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  2. They pack a massive warhead. It is almost 500 lbs.
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  3.  @davids1inwestholl45  yep, 487.2 lbs to be precise. It’s easy to forget they are 15 feet long.
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  4.  @davids1inwestholl45  :P I hope some Russian FFGs can stop them with their hulls any time soon.
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  5. I don’t think the U.K. ever planned on donating any Harpoons, whoever suggested that is naive. Probably a member of the unwashed media. More likely the U.K. is trying to buy something for Ukraine, a couple of Exocet coastal batteries from French stocks would make much more sense but the French might baulk at that. For me, a concerted effort to support Ukraine’s Neptune missile program is the right way to go.
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  6. Harpoon - L Block 1 is an old missile.
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  7. There will likely be no trade for Harpoon.
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  8. Yep, you can see how nasty Harpoon still is with just 3 or 4 hits in this RIMPAC vid. More impressive the missiles were fired by different platforms from surface to air launched all timed to hit at the same time. Apparently the P-8 salvo was a little late to the party :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uz2ZL06akU
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  9.  @joejoe-te4vx  What are you talking about?
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  10.  @joejoe-te4vx  Russia says they took down a transport carrying weapons and you believe them without evidence? Interesting disability.
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  11. The U.K. simply doesn’t have the right version for Ukraine unless they lash up a land based system with ship borne canisters onto the back of a Toyota pick up.
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  12. It is still lethal with a big warhead. It it also a sea skimmer that can dog leg into its target.
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  13. Thats what I think it is for, deterrence value. Neptune outranges Harpoon -L by some margin.
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  14. And get 60 Trident II missiles back in return packing 250 warheads, good deal?
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  15. The U.K. isn’t going to be sending Harpoons to Ukraine. They would have to invent a land based solution since RN Harpoons are not the land based version. I doubt there are many options for other nations handing over their land based systems either. For me we should support their Neptune missile program, let’s get those rounds manufactured for them.
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  16. What about Denmark?
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  17. They dont have to, Neptune already outranges Harpoon L.
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  18.  @dizzyfergy  did Boeing get the update contract? The problem is we have surface ship GWS60 - not much good to Ukraine. They need truck mounted weapons and interfaces. I can feel a lash up job coming! Makes more sense to just support their Neptune program as best we can. We could even manufacture their rounds then ship them back to UKR.
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  19.  @dizzyfergy  I’ve always said I’d much prefer to be the shooter than tty defending against these missiles, they all have nasty consequences if they work - and even if they don’t.
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  20.  @jasonsadventure  Neptune has a much smaller warhead than an AGM-84, in fact half the weight. Mind you I’d swap every Harpoon I had for one of those Russian bruisers. Their stuff used to terrify me.
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  21. They are pretty outmoded in 2022, although still pack a punch and fly very low and would still clean clean clock in a salvo launch. Unfortunately not the right fit for Ukraine, somebody would have to donate Harpoon land based systems to them and there aren’t many people who are ant to do that. The U.K. doesn’t have them for a start, only surface ship GWS60 and we don’t have many of those left. There were also a few air launched versions but they are probably in a bunker gathering dust next to the sub launched weapons.
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  22.  @jasonsadventure  Neptune can’t either now they’ve withdrawn the ships beyond its reach.
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  23.  @jasonsadventure  not really, their Kalibrs still hugely outrage Neptune. I doubt there was ever going to be a landing at Odessa anyway. The threat the Ukrainians face from the sea are small troop insertions and possibly shelling from smaller vessels. Hardly Neptune fodder.
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