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Achilles, you're not thinking about this in the right manner, each member state will carry out a response tailored to their own needs, if UK tax breaks hurt specific industries in their locales, they would have no choice but to respond, there are a myriad ways they can do this, tax is only one weapon and I think they would be fully prepared to use taxation if we did.
In fact, because we would have third country status they can do pretty much what they want, they would target specific sectors, and since the UK is service based, thats where their focus would be.
Nobody is talking about across the board changes to taxation rates at blanket levels it would be very specific.
You're also forgetting the lowered tax take for UK treasury if we deregulated further which will dent our GDP further still over and above the damage Brexit is going to bring.
The trade deficit is overplayed by Brexiters. The EU only exports 10% of its capacity to the UK, we export 45% of ours to the EU, now tell me, who can hurt whom more? That would be your trade war and by the way, we already trade with the ROW.
The amount of global trade with the economies outside of the deals the EU currently has with the 27 plus an additional 60 nations isn't that significant..Example, TM was in Africa eyeing the 2% of global trade the African Union take part in.Not very impressive is it.
Even If the UK wants to plug into that you'll have to wait until we have completed the deals, that will take an estimated 10 years minimum, so what do we do in the meantime while we are waiting and embroiled in a trade war with the EU?
Since you don`t know how long trade deals are going to really take, and because you don`t have a clue what those terms are going to be, I think its wishful thinking to suggest "we will be fine".
Its not a solid enough foundation to make positive predictions, if you look at worst case, our pain is going to be generational.
Once many large corporations take flight to maintain their CU access, they aren't coming back.
Ever.
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The makers of the S-400, Almaz have publicly stated there are probably a million ways to counter their system, and that the US and Israelis probably have in their locker, most of those methods. It's a dangerous system if you ignore its capabilities, not so dangerous if you know how to circumvent it.
Over the last few years the Ukraine Air Force has been discussing how it's been defeating another system, the Pantsir with NATO defence evaluation bodies.
There's no such thing as an "unbeatable SAM".
Today the best means are with EW, spoofing , cruise missiles routed around its lethal MEZ bubble, flying low and attacking blind spots. There aren't that many SAM radar units with true 360 degree capability.
A good example was the day after the Barzeh research centre strike when the Syrians thought their AD system had detected inbound missiles, launched their interceptors , only to discover they were shooting at ghosts somebody put inside their processors.
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The FBI KNOW and have EVIDENCE that the Russians attempted to hack into the voter registration systems in Arizona and Illinois, THAT is the evidence, only a complete fool would ask that that evidence be made public which would expose the sources, methods and technology used to garner said evidence.
Releasing that evidence publicly will help Russian counter intelligence to defend their methods and destroy the American counter intelligence mechanisms used to protect the National Security of the United States.
When National Security cases go to court, the evidence is not made public , to protect National Security.
National Security pillars are based on a "Need to Know" ideology, as long as the President Elect , Congress and the Judiciary have seen the evidence, as they indeed HAVE, they are the people who "Need to Know".#
Calling out on social media to see that evidence is a lame attempt to discredit the whole idea of Russian interference and to stand behind your "Orange Orangutan", who owes Putin and Gazprom for bailing him out through Deutche Bank when he was declared Bankrupt and NO US bank would touch him.
Trumps supporters KNOW this, the reason you are rubbishing this obvious attempt by the GRU/FSB to interfere with the US Election process is the same reason Trump and his cohorts are doing so, to deflect any possibility that Trump is not the legitimate winner of the Election, you are scared to death of him not legally making the Inauguration date.
You are confusing your Political leanings with an attack on the National Security of the United States and for that you should be eternally ashamed as Americans.
History will be your judge.
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Orest Makar
The EU financial crisis was exacerbated by the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the banking collapse coupled with the risk of the single currency, the Euro, so risky the UK decided to stay out of it.
It was always going to happen at some point with the backdrop of another "Black Wednesday" .type market collapse.
Since devaluation, the only real tool any country can use to prevent a collapse was removed when they joined the single currency was removed as a tool in the arsenal, it has left many EU countries exposed to risk. Plus, borrowing the Euro was cheap.
Oh how they borrowed, except the Germans.
The UK was caught out by the financial crisis, a global one in 2008, otherwise the UK would have been fine.
Greece?? Self inflicted massive financial mismanagement and traditional Greek corruption with a solution from the IMF which made things even worse, the IMF were a joke, what they did to Greece regards the bail out was criminally negligent.
The gave them an altruistic bailout not backed up at all by sound science based fiscal policy.
"US is spying on it's allies" This was only public outrage, every government knows allies spy on allies, it has always been thus , the Germans are no exceptions, if they were, then they were naive in the extreme.
The Israeli`s spied on the USA, and the USA spied on the Israeli`s for example until they made an agreement not to.
The NSA had back doors put into Cisco routers after intercepting the supply chain of manufacturers in the USA, this is now documented.
The only blushes were because it was made public by the Snowden double agent.
"same thing goes for British UKIP", UKIP have ZERO power in the UK but the truth is UKIP is really a splinter Tory group its the same for the other right wing groups in the EU.
"Marginal" apart from Austria.
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+Pablo Jay Ok, so NATO release audio of the Turkish regional air defence command issuing verbal warnings to the Russian SU-24 pair, and the Russian Pilot says it never happened, obviously the Pilot is a liar and reading from a script, honestly, these blatant Russian ministry of Spin lies dont help their case. Secondly, the Turks release radar maps of one of the SU-24s crossing the Turkish Isthmus and the Russians lie about that also, we have all seen the fucking maps! The second SU-24, piloted by a more professional crew, change heading and turn south to avoid overflying Turkish territory. The surviving pilot should be made to go visit his bosses widow and explain why he was such an asshole. They dont even have to lie about the incident to get sympathy, pretty much everyone thinks it was a little heavy handed by Turkey, it just shows us how corrupt the Putin propaganda machine really is.
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@Pablo, you are still thinking in one dimension, we aren't going to play into the hands of your county's super duper "see all radars" , all of those "brochure" numbers you constantly regurgitate are "best case" test scenarios where the "opposition" walks right into the teeth of those systems like a Duck crossing a highway.
Real life isn't like that son, every air war the US has taken part in should inform you of that fact.
Show me an air war in the last 40 years where the USAF was scythed down by Russian SAMS? Or the Israelis for that matter? Thats right you cant , for good reason. Counter AD is what we do.
We`re good an no , we dont take anything lightly, we plan, we test, we work around air defences, we train, we start the cycle again.
That S-400 system set up in Syria hasn't made the USAF or USN pause a single day in operations over Syria. Hell the Israelis would tie it up in knots.
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Sorry pal you are incorrect, tactical doctrine was "not" followed which led directly to the loss of the F-117.
My own estimation of the events was a mixture of methods used including electro optical data made available to the Serb SAM installation C2 , to HUMINT on the ground at Aviano and COMMINT, all tied together to make the difficult, possible.
You have to remember and many people do not was that the range for the F-117 SAM kill was just 9 nm from the battery.
That`s pretty damned close in terms of range, I would be disappointed as a SAM Regimental Co NOT to have gotten that shot when i had everything going for me that night.
If what you have said is true, can you tell me why the B-2`s which dropped ordnance on Belgrade just before those F-117s were not tracked and attacked or even detected?
Secondly, computational power had increased exponentially between each generation of stealth platform, from faceting to blending as had composites technology and RAM compounds, IR countermeasure applications etc etc. A comparison between the F-117 and F-22 is really Apples and Oranges.
Another point, the F-22 of 2017 is a very different aircraft than that of 2001 in ways you probably do not appreciate.
You guys can carry on thinking in one dimension and imagine VHF radar as your panacea , hold onto it if it makes you feel warm at night, Russian defence planners know better than the Russia supporting social media cohort / anti F-35 bandwagon horror show ill informed no hopers et al.
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Chris Black
Howdy Chris,
yep, I dont think there is anything better at CAS than a Hog but remember, we have been using fast air for a long time for CAS also.
The aircraft isnt the important factor, its the weapons they carry that make CAS possible for fast jets and their targeting systems.
Its not all about the Big Avenger cannon on the Hog.
The USAF is seriously looking at HVPWs which are basically rocket propelled Mk-xx iron bombs and if it can be done with a large capacity weapon it may be done with smaller ordnance such as the SDB. or similar.
This means greater penetration of hardened structures and better accuracy, then there is the UKs dual mode Brimstone, ROVER system on the Tornado which has enabled that aircraft to do sterling work in CAS everywhere it has been deployed.
Sensor fusion is where the F-35 is at, SAR, FLIR/IRST (EOTS) linked data etc etc.
Its going to be far in advance of anything we currently have in terms of sensor fusion and there are some interesting aspects regards the APG-81 in terms of transmitting a single aircrafts battlespace picture to other friendly platforms because of bandwidth capability.
The F-22 can already transmit a full SAR picture with only a small amount of latency depending on APG-77 version (lot 5 onwards)
if the USMC is operating you can bet your ass their brothers in the air wont be sitting on the decks of their LPDs:P
The F-35 right now is envisaged to work alongside the Superhornet directly replacing the legacy Hornets but I am scratching my head about that one, why fly a stealth aircraft in a strike package with non stealth aircraft? the opposition are going to see the strike package anyways.
Its going to have to be done with Growlers doing a lot of hard work kicking the crap out of the entire EM spectrum as cover.
For DCA or even OCA you need something better than a Suprhornet can provide against the mythical T-50 or J-31 if they ever go into serious production and that probably means something closer to an F-22 rather than an F-35.
Stealth can be deafeated with numbers if you look at the Taiwan straights scenario /wargame where F-22s killed a hell of a lot of Chinas airforce but those same F-22s still died because they ran out of fuel and missiles before China ran out of fighters.
Its basic attrition.
The Golden Egg is finding a way to detect and track Stealth aircraft with reliability and kill them.
I honestly dont know which airframe will be better for Canada, it is a unique case.
The Typhoon is not carrier capable that would take a Marinised version which is actually being designed right now buts its a paperweight until someone decides they want to spend megabucks developing it.
Right now the game is, the USN is worried about the airframe life left on the legacy Hornet models so they have to decide whether to buy more Superhornets , maybe stick CFTs on them to increase range which isn't great (hence buddy tanking) , maybe an engine upgrade to handle the increased weight because there are real issues with the delays into service of the F-35 C model.
Its not a great place to be I admit.
Bottom line for me is, anyone who actually thought that a stealth aircraft was ever going to be "cost effective" with 3 models wanted their heads testing, I laughed hard when I first heard that idea:)
I do think that the F-35 will be as good at least as the F-16 as a fighter , especially since the F-16 isnt the sleek light dogfighter it was when it first arrived, the baby has some fat.
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Hell no sir!!! I wasn't that crazy, I am ex Navy (engineering tech, finished as a WO) and the Winged Harrier Gods (Pilots) never moaned about having one engine, they just wanted more fuel and weps and a real woman :P
Foreign object ingestion aside ie birds, geese , Dogs on one occasion i shit you not a very sad episode! (on the ground of course) the reliability is such today with turbines its really hard to tell people two engines are safer than one especially when you look at engine failure stats and the reasons thereof.
I think its a "pilot thang" and maybe subjective, mechanical failures are one thing but battle damage is something else entirely.
If you look at the A-10, there is a reason those turbofans are on top of the fuselage and not underneath , there's another reason they are also not side by side, they are spaced.
Stealth for the F-35 for sure has to be maintained, but right now the rear fuselage sections being built in the UK those guys are doing a heck of a lot of work in the factory with the aircraft not just from the base design but how they put the thing together to help with future maintenance and that centres around super high tolerances and quality control in the build.
If you get the initial build right, you make maintenance easier in the future, if you get the build to fabulous quality levels, its even better later.
Coatings and topcoats are much better now than they were cicra 1985 that they had for the F-117 which were notoriously troublesome.
The problems with the F-135 have been squarely with PW management which has been "difficult" to put it bluntly, and yes its an engine which has been developed using the F-119 core and new components, its pumping out near 45 K lbs of thrust, thats a shit load for a single engine I am not surprised they are having issues but a lot of new engines have problems, I have seen this for myself in service I am sure they will be ironed out but its going to be expensive.
The main issue with the F-135 technically is its operating at higher temps than PW envisaged, this is unforgivable for a manufacturer of their stature to be honest and calls their design modelling into question for the F-135.
Some say the issue was cost cutting at Pratt but i dont know for sure.
Trust me, there have been worse engines pressed into service with miserable failure rates comparative to the F-135 but when the jet gets to the squadrons it wouldnt be allowed to fly with that motor until its fixed.
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@melasuru A No Deal Brexit would mean the UK loses every one of the 759 bilateral trade deals we currently share via our EU membership, deals which include trade deals with 70 + nations OUTSIDE of the EU. We lose ALL of those trade deals on day one after Brexit because all Treaties will cease to apply to the UK, this is contained in the Articel 50 declaration which is now UK Law.
We cannot replicate those deals in a day, so what do you suggest we do until we either roll over or replace those deals, which could take 15 to 20 years. No business leader in the FTSE 100 supports a No Deal, nor does the Lead business chamber in the UK, the CBI.
Brexiters only support a No Deal because they simply do not care about the damage this would obviously do to our industry - we would fall back by default to WTO Tariffs and lose our NTB agreements, all of them which covers the regulatory environment which fascilitates all of our trade.
Brexiters want Brexit so badly they would see my country destroyed to get it, that is not acceptable to either Parliament or Remainers.
MPs this week have been the saviours of the UK, not its enemy.
If you truly wish to understand why Parliament opposes a No Deal, you first have to understand what a No Deal means in detail.
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Robert Slackware
Genius, ponder this for a moment.
FACT, Hillary Clinton had an approval rating of over 50% as Sec State, one of the highest for that position post war. That was before the GOP targeted smear campaign against her.
Bob and Rebekah Mercer, Trumps owners gave Steve Bannon`s Breitbart over 10 Million bucks to ramp up the smear campaign against Clinton and half of America swallowed it whole.
Bobby Mercer wanted the rapid Financial Transaction tax Clinton was going to impose to go away so he put his billions behind Trump.
Mercer makes Trump look like a pauper.
Now, every single Kangaroo GOP furnished court and committee, every investigation failed to put her in prison or indict her of anything, nada.
What does that tell you as a reasonable man?
NOTHING, because you swallowed the same bullshit half of the country did, probably willingly because what Trump stands for is reflected in your own character.
Rampant hatred, bigotry, misogyny and fear.
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*****
It doesn't matter whom you supported, its Trumptardism.
Its incredible ignorance of factual information.
Its immense hubris.
Its hypocrisy.
Its Dogma.
Everything Trump is about.
"and if there was such an all pervasive attack why is it no one heard of it until now"
Jesus Christ woman, do you lack the ability to read anything I previously wrote??
THE EVIDENCE AND PROOF WERE MADE PUBLIC IN JUNE 2016, what on Earth are you talking about to say "Why are we only hearing about this now"?
I heard about it back in 2016, why didn't YOU.
That is the question YOU should be asking yourself Sharon.
"the russian gov also warned of the brussels attack and nothing was done.
BULLSHIT, every Intelligence agency in Europe knew something was going to happen but sure as shit the FSB had NO CLUE WHEN WHERE OR HOW, just like everybody else.
Listen, your agenda is obvious, your pro Putin pro Moscow rhetoric is pathetic, we all know why you didn't see anything last year Sharon, its because you have your head shoved up Putin`s ass.
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"I am not ignoring the warheads. They have been there for many decades."
If the USA and Russia are a command authority decision away from destroying each other 25 years after the Cold War ended and all Putin wants is peace, then why do the USA and Russia have thousands of weapons pointed at each other?
Why does the GRU/SVR spy on the USA right up until today?
Why does the CIA spy against Russia today??
Why is America`s intelligence effort primarily against China and Russia but not Finland?
You are missing something Walt.
As long as Vladimir Putin continues to subvert, invade and wage war against sovereign countries like Ukraine, as long as he tries to cement a permanent military presence in the Eastern med ie, Syria, as long as he continues to reinforce Kaliningrad on the Polish border, a NATO country I might add and reinforce it with small mobile short ranged nuclear missiles, as long as he continues to patrol nuclear armed bombers around the UK air defence region, the Norweigian ADR and the Danish ADR.
The Polish ADR and the German ADR, as well as his submarine patrols at a tempo not seen since the cold war days, I think it is safe to safe , THEY know whom their enemy is, its a pity Trump supporters have forgotten that.
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"I never asked that the US Intelligence community show the public how they collect , intercept and collate intelligence."
YES you did, if you want to see evidence, you would also see by default, whom, where and how they got that evidence, isn't that obvious?
You and I both know that is not going to happen.
The Head of the CIA is not the President, he is the head of a government agency, he reports to the President and it is not his job to open a press conference of his own volition to present anything without the express order or permission from the National command authority
the CIA and FBI , DHS evidence HAS been presented to both the President and the President Elect.
The heads of Congress have also seen the evidence.
For a member of the public to even suggest that there is "No evidence" is ludicrous.
This is NOT an "MSM" Story, its FACTUAL, the evidence HAS been presented.
Write your Congressman for confirmation.
walter byrd
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Alaska isn't part of Cali :P
Have you ever been to Europe?? By the way "Europe" is not a country., its has "separate bits called...."countries".
Americans do love to generalize.
Actually there are a lot of countries on the European continent where I wouldn't like to live but I have visited those countries , worked there in a few so I can actually make a judgement call , for me it isn't just about what I have seen on Faux news......
The Pacific may be beautiful, but the Med is better :P
The food is better, the women are better looking and ummm thinner lmao.
We dont have double whoppers where I live :)
The VAST majority of Mexicans who live in the US are law abiding citizens, not criminals I fond that remark offensive and I am not even Mexican.
No, you misunderstand, the USA has THE highest GDP on the planet and before any Chinese trolls chime in that includes China, which means the US can afford more than most to dish out foreign aid but lets not pretend here, foreign aid comes at a price, the US isn't stupid enough to give "hand outs" for free, they aren't hand outs, they come with a caveat.
We will give you aid, you will give the 7th fleet basing rights....etc etc.
The Marshall plan also benefited the US too if you think it was all a vast humanitarian aid project for the good of mankind alone that would be naive.
A strong stable Ally is a good ally. Europe getting back on its feet quickly makes a Europe which doesn't have to rely on US aid and a Europe which can stand in NATO side by side with the US.
Lets take a look at lend lease shall we? Not a freebie, the US not only got back every single dollar they also squeezed lots of territory from the UK especially key strategic islands in the Pacific which were formally British possessions.
Sometimes "aid " is more than just someone throwing money in a begging bowl so lets not pretend that the USA was some white knight in shining armour coming to Europes aid, it actually took Adolph himself to declare war against the US to actually get you into the fight.
Roosevelt was a great man, he knew the score long before the majority of the public.
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You are barking up the wrong Tree, if you are butthurt about anything I write then fine but dont try to divert it by calling ma a racist.
It doeskin compute.
Of course Europe is not free of racists, the Africans lot around the world is a shitty one but of all the places on earth outside of Africa, you would expect it to be less of an issue in the good ole USA, that beacon of light that bastion of Western freedom.
it isn't.
It is still desired by many for sure, so why do you want to build a wall between you and Mexico lol
Those guys dont seem welcome do they.
Again, a no brainer that the country which generates the highest GDP on the planet also hands out the most aid but not all of that aid is for humanitarian reasons, look at money for Pakistan and Israel to name but a few.
It comes at a price.
You dont see people fleeing Europe in rickety boats either.
So what?
I have been to Cali, its just a big desert and you have a lovely smog , thanks but I prefer greenery and trees and smog free skies, its 35 degrees C here today and I am off to do some wind surfing, it really sucks to be in Europe too :)
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Melethasgar
Putrin also "verified", by answering directly in an interview, that Russia is mainly helping Assad, unless that interview I saw was some sort of professional editing Faux Pas?
I think not.
The US is funding Rebel groups, who are fighting Assad, Russia is helping Assad stay in power, there is nothing complicated about either Putins or the US`s motives.
This is Proxy war my friend and the victims are ordinary Syrians.
So, you call me a fool for believing the Pentagon but not believing the Russian defence ministry? That`s not even an argument.
Its a "choice".
Putin is shoring up Assad, plain and simple, go ask the people on the ground, not defence ministries, the people on the ground are backing up what the Pentagon has said so umm, its a no brainer, the choice you have made, is to support Putin, no matter what the evidence is, so your view will be skewed.
There are no spokespeople from ISIS saying , "yeah the Russians are killing us here"., but there are plenty of rebels saying "yeah, Putin is bombing the carp out of us", so who is doing that? the Syrian Air force?
I think not.
Oh dear, you expounded the old dinosaur "Its US Propaganda", that is the first line of defence for Putin apologists.
That line magically excuses any wrong doing Putin does, doesn't it?
Lwet me ask you a question so i can prove a point,
is there "anything" terrible Putin has done during his presidency , give me an example.
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"Putin never lied about who he was helping and who he was fighting in Syria."
I call that a half truth.
1. He was telling the truth about helping Assad, he has admitted as much, and I salute him for this crumb of honesty.
2. He also said the enemy was ISIS and he has hardly hit them at all and we are still waiting.
Call it a little white lie.
Putins priority is cementing a Russian military footprint in the middle east since Russia's friends have fallen by the wayside all over the world, the old Soviet Union had a lot of influence, Russia doesn't have that influence now.
Fighting ISIS is not Putins priority in Syria, if it was he would be bombing them a little more than the less than 10% of strikes he is hitting them with now.
In fact, because Putin is hitting Assad`s Rebel enemies , it has allowed ISIS to move into areas vacated by some of the rebels retreat, unfortunately for Putin, many of the rebel groups have simply dug in and have not lost any ground, only a ground offensive will be able to do anything about that, I predict Russian soldiers will be getting killed on the ground real soon, I hope not because it would be such a waste.
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Oh so do you ant the US intelligence community to hand the keys to their ISR capabilities to the Russian military?? Thats what they would do if they handed the dat over to public news agencies, dont be a dumvass.
We KNOW 3 missiles failed, Russia KNOWS we know 4 missiles failed and thats all there is to it, we dont have to try and satisfy Russian trolls on youtube , thats not the priority sorry, this is a game between big boys and you are small beer.
The news has been put out, the region is the most heavily monitored air space on the planet right now and only a dumbass would think the US Mil has no way of tracking Russian cruise missiles, which are NOT stealthy, have lovely bright IR indices on launch and require datalink updates to operate.
I believe CENTCOM, you can believe the propaganda machine which also told us the Russia drones shot down in Turkey were not even Russian drones LMAO.ZERO credibility.
Also, an independent civilian company has analyzed the Russian Drone footage which shows air strikes, and the drone footage doesn't match 80% of the actual locations which have been mapped in Syria by commercial satellites, another HUGE Russian LIE.
Whatever dude, continue to stay asleep.
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A very experienced American Diplomat who has worked at the State Department for decades recently said;
"If you want to involve us in more wars and let instability drag us into yet more wars, then cut foreign aid".
The truth is the vast majority of the public don`t have a clue what foreign aid is used for, there is a good reason why we give foreign aid and its not for altruistic reasons, its for our benefit.
Promoting British commerce abroad, creating opportunities for UK firms, fostering intelligence sharing, fighting international crime in places where Scotland Yard would hardly be welcome otherwise, crafting extradition treaties, military basing rights, refueling rights, yes we "buy" these things and more with that aid.
This is the real work of foreign aid, it also builds our reputation abroad.
People who rubbish foreign aid only see one dimension, "We are giving third world countries money" and are incapable of thinking beyond that.
Another good example, the US gives Pakistan 3 billion dollars a year in military aid, and what does the US get in return?? The US gets to oversee the security of Pakistani Nuclear weapons so none of their fissionable material gets sold on the black market which was a real danger.
That benefits us all.
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Or, if you want 3 Naval air squadrons instead of 2 you have to pay for 3 squadron bosses instead of 2 along with their salaries, you put additional costs and duplication into supply chains, support , training, certification thru life, etc etc etc.
The bean counters did the maths a long ago in the 1990`s, they came up with 2 CVF.
It wasn't money alone, with one carrier in position you can bring more firepower to bear if you cant get 2 CVS on station, you get a higher sortie rate and bombs on bums with 1 CVF than you will ever get with one CVS.
Don`t assume we would have had all 3 CVS to use and play with as we would, we have NATO commitments we have to stick to and having 2 CVF actually gives us more flexibility in that regard, ie, if we have one hull in deep maintenance we only have one we can use, its much easier to get cover for our NATO commitments for one carrier than it is for 2.
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alan bodifa
Again, second article, thanks for the link, if you actually read it, it will tell you why there hasn't been a high Ops tempo in Syria, do you need me to plagiarize some of it on here or are you going to bother reading any of it?
"However, this has not happened, partly because both nations, operating under stringent rules to guard against civilian casualties, have largely run out of Syrian targets"
What do you want us to do?? Just drop bombs for the hell of it or drop them on civilians, sorry we aint the Russians. if there are no viable targets, we dont do missions, and right now, all the action is in Iraq around Ramadi, , next up for the Iraqi army is Mosul.
tsk tsk, you will have to bring your A game next time kiddo.
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@ Dominik
"But I reality it is a group of systems and measures". That is pretty much how I meant it to come across, sorry we got crossed wires.
LO is a valuable asset, I was in the Navy for 22 years and know its worth and if you look at where its being used, ie, in virtually every aspect of weapons design where military equipment would benefit from radar LO , its already been done.
I served on the very first major naval hulls to eliminate all right angles / corner reflectors, were built with reduced sig` in mind from conception, directly from lessons learned in the Falklands War.
Those lessons were shared with NATO.
Today we have every major surface combatant on the planet designed with reduced RCS as a design feature and every nation is doing so or has already got there, from China to Russia to the UK to the Euro Navies. If the naysayers took a moment to have a close look they would see it for themselves, in every hull in every picture posted on line.
Then they can take a look at Cruise missiles of all flavours, UAVs, hell even MBT designs.
The detractors have their own agenda which pretty much reduces their credibility to zero in scientific and technical terms.
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Sorry Hanz, you dont understand what why or how the damage happened, so your opinion is uninformed and therefore irrelevant.
Lets put it another way, you have zero HE weapons qualifications, you have directly compared the physical structure of two different buildings when you dont understand that reinforced structures are designed and built to different standards of hardening, even the concrete used is different as well as the steel reinforcement., what layering was used , single or double walls etc.
You have Military standard and civilian standards. You have structures designed not to keep weapons out but to keep volatile chemicals inside its far more complex than you give it credit, so are weapons/ effects determinations
I guarantee you, there is nothing usable inside whats left of those buildings whatsoever which was the point of the attack.
You are also making assumptions about the types of warhead used, were they general HE warheads or shaped multi effects charges? You just dont know.
You are fixated on numbers, and because you have no knowledge of the problem you've made ill informed assumptions.
Please leave BDA to the experts. I will leave you with a better picture a side by side image taken via satellite, its pretty obvious what 78 missiles can do when focused on what was a large site. https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/Slide2.png
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"I don't worship Putin."
You use exactly the same language Putin and RT uses.
the USA doesn't hate Russia, they just do not trust them, one look at Ukraine tells me they are right not to.
Iran, pah, you gotta be kidding me right?
"Putin is the leader of the bypassing of the Petro-Dolla"
Putin nor Russia has the economic clout to do a damned thing about the dollar.
"The US don't have the moral ground to pointing fingers at someone else."
What moral ground does a tyrant like Putin have? lol, the man has been lining his pockets with the Russian peoples money, he is corrupt.
"Having allies such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which are some of the main supporters of radical Islam in the world."
See, you sound just like RT and Putin, I think you need to start thinking for yourself.
Why wasn't Turkey mentioned by Putin before December 2015?
he only mentioned turkey after the little SU-24 was shot down, then he tried turning the Kremlin propaganda machine on Erdogan.
It didn't work by the way, NATO is behind Turkey 100% you just refuse to see it.
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Oh boy, I hope you arent a conspiracy theorist?
1. Since Iran is aligning itself with Putin why do you think on Gods green earth Iran would embarrass Putin by showing the world a couple of bits of debris from a disintegrated cruise missile, I will tell you, the warhead didnt detonate but it crashed at 500 mph, there wont be much of it left to show in any case. THINK man.
2. So, what does it come down to dude, it comes down to YOU choosing to believe the Russian Defence ministry which is controlled by the Putin spin machine , the same one which subverted Ukraine, but you dismiss the US military and think they have to "make shit up" regards the effectiveness and reliablity of Russian weapons?
Got news for you dude, missiles fail, they malfunction, what does it say about you that you cannot accept this simple military fact?
If you were in the military you already know full well what I am talking about.
The US wont produce any evidence, they dont have to and its silly to do so because it will reveal capabilities they dont want Russia to know about or confirm, this is the way of things so you can carry on believing Russian cruise missiles are infallible all you want but its basically a braindead move.
By the way troll, I forgot to mention, shhot yourself in the head and do yourself a favour you ignorant bufoon
*****
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RT and the Russian government will tell you ISIS has been severely damaged in SZyria, but how is that the case when MORE than 90% of Russian military strikes have been against Assad enemies, ie rebel groups, ISIS have hardly been touched, dont fall for their bullshit propaganda, Putin is ONLY in Syria to prop up its Puppet Assad, in return he has had to make a deal with the devil putin, and that deal is a permanent foreign military presence in his country, poor bastard.
YES the US mission has been an abject failure because the US has had ZERO will do actually do anything serious on a desert storm type scale to defeat ISIS, 5,000 US servicepeople died in Iraq, the US is weary of fighting wars in the desert for no gain , I am happy to watch Putin bleed there for a few years, because he certainly wont be getting out of there without shedding Russian blood, he has made a grave error in judgement.
Getting directly involved in a shooting war in the middle east is the one thing the west has learned, finally as a BAD IDEA, his motives are selfish, he doesnt give a flying fuck about ISIS, he wants a russian foothold and thats all she wrote.*****
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YAWN, here, for your information, the US had 150,000 service people in Iraq and the country is still a mess, and here you are several years later and you actually think Putin is going to solve the problems in the middle east using force, well he is going to have to occupy the place to do that and the Russian military and country dont have that capcity comrade not matter what your gurus on RT tell you.
It must suck to be you.
You are wroking on the pretext that Putin is in Syria to destroy ISIS, umm nope, he is there for a diffferent purpose, to prop up Assad and to guanrantee Russias military footprint in Syria, dont be a dork and think for yourself my simple Putin apologist.*****
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I agree in part, Russia has some fabulous technical achievments, so does the US, in terms of technical mastery and networked battlespace abilities Russia is still 30 years behind the US military, you may not believe that but it doesnt matter, its out there.
Nope, Russia is capable of the same subterfuge as any other country on earth, here is an example;
MORE than 90% of Russian airstrikes in Syria, surface to surface missile strikes and nava cruise missile stirkes have been against NON ISIS targets, so Russia being in Syria to tackle ISIS is a LIE, they are clearly propping up Assad, who is btw responsible for killing 100,000 of his own population, this is something Putin doesnt give a shit about, Putin just wants to secure a military foothold in a middle east where Russia has friends you can count on one hand.
Dont give me this shit about Putin being the horse mounted Knight of valour and freedom thats a crock and you know it.
I have some bad news, events tend to overtake a plan within the first 5 minutes, Putin I say to you, welcome to the hell which is meddling in the middle east, you cant fix anything with force of arms, he will end up bleeding the fragile Russian economy to death with his silly misadventures.
Russia cannot aford it.
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Sorry mr commissar, that modernization will cost more money than Russia has to spend, take a look at your economy, its on the way down, Russias GDFP is ONE THIRD that of the US alone thats without NATO, you couldnt win a conventional war against NATO because you are outnumbered 5-1, in Naval asstes alone NATO can muster over 500 combat vessels, compared to what? Less than 50 operational combat hulls , maybe not even that because we can see most of Russias ancient fleet tied up in port run wuth skeleton crews on satellite imagery and they never leave port, keep dreaming the dram cowboy, next time come armed with some facts, man you are one weak assed son of a bitch.Дмитрий Cоколов
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And you are naive enough to actually believe that?
Dear lord, the standard of education in your country must be really low.
The US tracked every one of those missiles from launch to the target area, they have the assets to do this, let me tell you a little fact, 24 years ago in desert storm, Iraq fired 88 Scud missiles, EVERY single Scud launch was detected by the US DSP satellite constellation and you think now, 24 years later that US ISR assets would be unable to track the bright UV and IR signatures of the boosters on those cruise missiles at launch?
Keep dreaming your dream pal.
Secondly, since thosed missiles are NOT stealhty, airborne radar would have NO trouble tracking them, it gets even worse for you, this Russian campaign is an intelligence goldmine for the US military, they will be sniffing every single electronic signal, comms signals elint and datalink signal Russia transmits to its forces, the US mill will know Russian operations doctrine better than you know it yourselves inn a matter of weeks, thanks for that.Дмитрий Cоколов
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2007suprasport
Fair enough, that was nice of you so I will reciprocate.
I am fully awake, this course Trump is taking is appalling, its not going to end well because Americans are not like Trump and his acolytes, you will learn this in the coming months mark my words.
This treatment of the press is pathetic, its obvious Bannon et al are just trying to make Strawmen of the media in an attempt to blindside the people and push their agenda which is reprehensible.
You talk about borders and Muslims but none of your rhetoric stacks up under even the most cursory scrutiny.
My career and training taught me to use logic to overcome fear, your existence is characterized by doing the opposite.
The fact is, most Muslims are not terrorists, they just want to feed their families the same way you or I do. I do not require that they renounce their Religion, Islam does not scare me because I have the capacity to process information which counters your fears.
One day I hope you will wake up, the vast majority of us are already there.
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furiousmat
You mean its pointless arguing with someone who doesn't actually agree with you?
Welcome to the planet earth.
I am entitled to my opinion, I respect yours but don`t have to agree with it.
Every aircraft program on the planet has had its detractors.
From the F-4 and before to the F-22 and beyond, someone will have an axe to grind.
"How can anyone say something so ludicrous as "that work is a long process"."
To not understand that comment is to not understand modern fly by wire aircraft development.
The Typhoon is still getting changes and upgrades , refinements to its flight control systems 15 years after it went into service, now do you understand?
Has the program taken a long time, certainly, take the Eurofighter consortium and the development of the Typhoon, its been tortuous because there are 4 partner nations involved, 5 governments and 4 sets of ideas on how the aircraft should take shape.
Thats bureaucracy and a no brainer, of course it was going to take eons.
Look at the Rafale, one government, two voices, the Marine Nationale and the Armee d`lair.
Out of that you got one aircraft , now a mature one and its getting new customers.
Now, look at the F-35, several partner nations / workshare pie slicing, politics and funding , times that by 3 for 3 different versions , add to that deciding to make it a stealth aircraft, if that isnt a recipe for a tortured development I dont know what is.
Never once have I denied any of that so you can get off that particular horse.
Talking of ludicrous comments....
"The aircraft has a shit range, shit manoeuverability, shit carrying capacity, and costs a fortune when the point of it was actually to create a cost efficient aircraft"
What do you consider "shit range"?
What do you consider shit manoeuverability?
What do you consider shit carrying capacity?
Measured against what and which sources are you using? Do you even know how each version is going to be employed?
Do yourself a favour and compare unrefueled range of the carrier version of the F-35 ( which carries 6,000lbs more internal fuel) and compare it with the Superhornet, you may be surprised when you see that all 3 versions of the F-35 have greater or similar range than the F-18 in any version so makes your "shit range" comment umm, ludicrous?
You are under informed.
Weapons load, - first day of war(not literally a single day). , weapons carried internally, nail primary targets, destroy command and control , dismantle the IADS in an integrated attack. that attack will consist of B-2 strikes, TLAM strikes, F-22 has taken out the opposing fighters.
"Second day" of war, carry weapons externally on hardpoints, no capacity issues, IFR close to the enemy border because you have broken the air defences on the first day.
I have never once thought a stealthy airframe was ever going to be cheap, more fool you for deluding yourself into believing that.
Its obvious you dislike the costs involved so hate everything about the airplane including believing every negative aspect regards the program.
There is a lot to bitch about but use some objectivity instead of spitting bile.
I still stand by my original thought and believe its going to be one hell of an aircraft in all 3 versions.
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Chris Black
Horses for courses, you will find military pilots and commanders who share either opinion, neither one is wrong or right, I just happen to fall on the "myth" side of the argument.
You will be hard pressed to find a Class A engine failure for an F-16 from the C model onwards , not bad for a single engined fighter.
It IS about reliability and the advancement of technology, reliability has increased exponentially in jet turbines.
From the Sea Harrier to the F-104, single engined fighters have served with no reral issues, if you look at the terrible accident stats for the F-104 in German hands, of 100 crashes, only 11 were attributable to engine failures, then you have to look at where the jet operates, if you know how cannon shells work, if one engine is hit by trash fire on an aircraft with side by side engines, both engines are going to fail more than likely,.
The reasons for two engines are varied and more complex than some so called safety aspect and to be honest, if the F-35 was twin engined people who hate the jet would pick some other attribute to bash it over the head with.
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Lost multiple dogfights against what? You do realize that the FCLAWs are still being refined and the envelope explored and that the F-35 isnt the finished article dont ya?
It isnt a supermanoureable aircraft it isnt designed to be, the base design requirement was a flight envelope "comparable" to the F-16.
From reports I hve read, its actually been matching the F-16 which is no mean feat in WVR, in other areas like BVR combat, the F-35 has beat winning.
Before you ask for links, let me see yours as it is you who claimed the F-35 has been getting smoked first.
I have links, I hope you are ready with yours?
You do realise that in a twin engined jet if you lose one engine to damage, it is very likely that you damage the second engine too right because the engines are right next to each other, same goes for the type of damage, and engine fire or a loss of fuel pressure that will affect the reamining engine under certain circumstances, then there is the thrust imbalance, if you have no altititude you are are going to have yourself an unrecoverable jet with one engione or two.
A twin engined jet is built to power a heavier aircraft typically ie a multi role jet.
In reality if you look at accident stats and egnine failures, the two engined fighter is safer than a single engined fighter dont hold up at all.
Take the JAS-39 gripen, not a single accident due to engine failure and the F-16 has a fabulous record in that regard.
If you are in a part of the flight envelope and you lose one engine the chances of recovering the jet can be next to zero depending on where you are at, we are not talking multi engined transports with 4 engines evenly spaced along the wing where you can afford to lose one at altitude and still land.or an ariliner with similar configuration, here we are talking fighter jets.
The F-16 has had no problem serving air defence for dozens of nations so I dont really hold to this "we need two engines" debate and plenty of single engined jets have served perfectly fine over decades.
the twin engined jet myth is exactly that.
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