Comments by "Joe Kelsoe II" (@nsahandler) on "How to Get a Lifetime Ban from Southwest Airlines" video.

If you are going to fly after drinking but ACTUALLY AREN'T THAT DRUNK, don't say anything to anyone - not even the attendant. Most of the time these iffy denials are about them smelling booze on your breath, stumbling, or blatantly belligerent behavior towards others in front of staff. I've flown drunk as a skunk but managed to pull myself together to walk by the attendant, scan my ticket, then put my bag on the plane before I immediately passed out in my seat.
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I mean this is a hit or miss for me. She seems like she would be able to just sleep on the plane. She isn't belligerent until well-after being told she can't board the plane. She definitely isn't the worst drunk I have seen on the plane either. I've boarded more-drunk than this and she probably could have gotten away with it if she didn't talk (they can probably smell the booze on her breath).
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@HeroOfTheDay16 she becomes belligerent and upset like anyone else would. She wasn't initially agitated. It took a whiiiiiile for her to get agitated.
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@SOTMead this was definitely iffy The start of the interaction wasn't hostile or confrontational - she was merely trying to argue why she should be on the plane. It took a looooooooong time during that whole interaction before she became belligerent and it was while she was accepting the second-worst news a flyer can receive on a regular layover commute. I worked security at a bar. This lady was at "No more drinks" level, not "to the sidewalk" level.
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@corvus8638 they do want you to drink they just don't want people to be belligerent, hostile, or unruly on-board - which is why they have an extremely subjective "too drunk to fly" rule. I've seen a lot of these interactions with drunk passengers being confrontational with the flight attendants and this is literally the most-conserved one I've seen in my entire life. They are usually falling over themselves or yelling at the top of their lungs or being outright hostile from the start. This one didn't get hostile until they were actually being ejected from the airport.
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@MT57 >implying that I haven't flown beside a drunk person before Bwahahaha you would have been fine by her. At MOST, she would have been mildly annoying until she fell asleep. She wasn't incoherent. She wasn't stumbling. She wasn't agitated or aggressive until faaaaaar after the encounter began (which tracks with removing almost any drunk person from nearly anywhere). You have probably sat by a person in her state in a bar hundreds of times throughout your life and not given a damn.
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@CopiousDoinksLLC Dawg being denied a flight isn't a "minor inconvenience" lol That's what you and a bunch of other commenters aren't getting. It took A WHILE with the LARGEST STRESSOR that can happen in a place where someone doesn't live TO GET AGGRESSIVE It's not like she was asked to put up her laptop or buckle her belt lol.
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@Susan-cooks I've sat next to drunk people on a plane. They usually end up sleeping or being chatters
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@corvus8638 no Those are the behaviors that some people will have while on alcohol, and that more and more people will exhibit the more drinks they have.
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@HeroOfTheDay16 belligerent isn't "refusing to comply" - the context of belligerent usually implies extreme physical resistance such as shouting, spitting, etc You can be argumentative without being belligerent, and she wasn't belligerent at the start. She only became belligerent over time (which is how most people do when ddrunk. It takes a while to get wound up) And she wasn't belligerent prior or she would have still been belligerent. Drunk people don't wind down.
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@TerryFromAccounts I worked security at a bar. I'm saying that cutting off the person from booze would have resulted in her falling asleep or being mildly annoying. She wasn't being belligerent until the end. Usually you don't remove people until they are already belligerent. She was able to make a coherent argument about not being able to board.
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@SOTMead Aggressive drunks don't become cool. I can see that you haven't been in a bar before and are 15 so I'll let you slide this time
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@Doxymeister You've never been around drunk people, have you? When a drunk person is mad, it only escalates from there. The drunk doesn't become more-chill as time goes on. It's either 100% or MAYBE insane mood swings back and forth but there was not a moment in that time where she was not distracted from the ongoing situation (what usually causes the mood swing). I read in the Navy. I know drunks.
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@Mike-zx1kx they let you get drunk on the plane lol they just don't want people boarding the plane while drunk
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@chuckd5819 I don't drink. I dealt with drunks.
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@randyrenfro5907 but she didn't fly off the handle over "one small issue." She was objecting to her inability to get on the fight (which is a HUGE stressor and moreso than any you'd typically encounter on a plane) and it STILL TOOK HER a good while to get wound up enough to start getting belligerent and agitated. She was stating her grievances without yelling or striking people throughout the start of the ordeal. (BTW I'm not blaming the attendants or cops for "winding her up." It's just that it took that much time and that large a stressor for her to react that way)
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@stephaniecoomey2356 no. Merely observant w/ experience of handling people who have been drinking
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@chutraiheo >not a chance She was carrying a drink and she had alcohol on her breath. If she had not been carrying the drink and not said anything she wouldn't have gotten in trouble. It took a loooooong time to wind her up to the point of belligerent agitation
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@patrickancona1193 >never happened until 08 Because planes didn't start hard-lining their drunk boarding policies until the 10s and body cameras weren't prevalent at all until '17-'20. Stop blaming the black president, lil fella
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@chuckd5819 normal people will become belligerent when drunk. They do so all the time. It's a side-effect of false confidence. They will say things that they normally wouldn't say. And it took a WHIIIIIIIIIIILE into the encounter before she was belligerent. She had to get wound up to that point. I'm not saying "oh they wound her up it's their fault" - I'm saying that she was sober enough to board but they smelled her breath and told her no
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@HeroOfTheDay16 It took a whiiiiiiiiiiiiiile for her to get to that point though jfc She was calm cool and collected along with being reasonable until that point. I was a sailor AND I worked security at a bar for multiple years. We ejected people who are too drunk to function and causing a ruckus. She was none of those things until she realized she was being told that she was stuck in a city where she had no place to stay and no travel options, then was being removed from the premises. I would have cut her off from drinking but she was fully functional and coherent. She was arguing her point (with good reason, because she isn't actually that drunk and it doesn't make sense to deny her the ability to sit on the plane) and didn't escalate the situation until she realized she was basically trapped in a foreign place. Watch other videos and you can see why they were denied boarding in like 2 seconds. This takes MINUTES of THE MOST STRESSFUL INFO A PERSON CAN GET for her to become agitated.
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@bouggyman180 No. They absolutely can. If a busy bar can handle people case by case at the door - checking, talking, validating, and accepting or rejecting entry based on criteria dependent on the law and safety - then everyone can. Every person that walks to the door is case by case. There are some HARDLINE rules (like, we require everyone to have an ID no matter how old) but even then the manager is allowed to grant entry. Good Security (and good incident handling & prevention) is ALWAYS a case-by-case basis. The second it STOPS BECOMING a case-by-case basis is when people get injured, hurt, or (worse) slightly smarter than your blind system. This case is a great example. A person who really wasn't that intoxicated or impaired was told that they were going to be stuck in a foreign city for an indeterminate amount of time because she had booze breath and (at most) an Irish swagger. She is confused and upset because she really isn't that drunk, then police get involved while she is trying to argue her case, and now you have an upset and scared kinda-drunk person in an airport getting arrested after being wound up. SOBER PEOPLE would freak out if they were told they couldn't board their flight. Her reaction isn't unique to her being drunk.
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@daizee106 nope. I was a sailor and I worked security at a bar. I don't drink except on special occasions or if I'm flying (then I can sleep through the flight). Booze is paying to have a headache the next day. My words come from having to handle drunk people day-in and day-out, in groups or directly, professional or social. The fact of the matter is that you watch these videos to pile on random people and get a justice boner, and someone pointing out the reality of the situation messes with your lil fantasy
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@djdoole Yeah but realistically they don't care as long as you can walk, smile, get to your seat, and buckle your belt.
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