Comments by "Leonid Shnaider" (@leon19736) on "The Rubin Report"
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“”””To continue our pleasant discussion, I think you would agree that the german army in June 1941 was a monster... and smashing french and british troops in a matter of weeks is a proof... Germans attacked with over a 4 mln army while soviets had only around 1.4 mln troops against them, so it was expected russians to have heavy loses... however they still withstood.”””””
German Army was a monster for small distances. It wasn’t for size of Russia. Like for Japan in China for Gemany in Russia distance was a huge challenge. They didn’t have trucks and supplies. Very small portion of Army was mechanized. French and British pilots defeated German pilots. German Army had tactics that other Army didn’t. USSR had 10-20 times more tanks and 5-10 times more places. USSR had army that was much bigger than 3 million (not 4) German Army. First month of war kill ratio was 1 to 20-30. Later on in 1941 it becomes 1 to 5-6.
Soviet Army stood because they had huge supply of new soldiers. Soviet Army of June 1941 was absolutely destroyed and new Army was recruited.
“”””“I consider by landing in Italy the allies didn’t help the soviets in any way as germans didn't pull out any troops from the east front... germans already had there the 10th army. When allies dabarked in Italy in September 1943 most of the italian troops surrendered, some even joined the allies while the Italian fleet fled. Germany had only the 10th army (around 100k troops) which had to waste their time disarming Italian troops.””””””
Historian will disagree and will say that Hitler stopped battle of Kursk. You don’t mention that 1.5-2 millions German soldiers were in Europe waiting for allies landing instead of fighting in USSR.
“””””1944 the situation was critical and general Paton wrote in his diary " We still can lose this war””””””
Really? You mean battle, but not war. Americans and Brits had 10-20 times more tanks few more times man power, better army that was mechanized with car and tracks, absolute air superiority, French Army that was being created and assembled. Allies had plenty of gas unlike Germans who had no gas for tanks , trucks and planes and no military industry(it was destroyed in bombing) There was no chance that he said that and if he said he meant battle of arden which mean that German will recapture parts of Belgium and Holland. It was impossible fror German to will already in Desember 1941. It is even more crazier to think that Americans and Brits will lose in 1944/1945. Do you believe to what you wrote?
“””””””””””””Zhukov NEVER said without the help from the west USSR would never won the war, you're manipulating the facts... What Zhukov said is " without the help from the west we would had been in dire straits..." Also, in his memuaris he states that the lend-lease didn't have a significant impact on the results of the war. Agree, Stalin said that without the american trucks USSR wouldn't had won the war, however that was said at Churchill's birthday and looks more like a laudatory ode to please him. It is a fact that there was very very little help until February 1942, that help didn't play any role in soviets stopping and throwing germans away from Moscow. They did it by moving to west their army from the east borders and by rebuilding the lost units. No doubt, USA and UK helped USSR, I'm not arguing that, however most of that help was after 1943 and I still believe USSR would have won the war without that help.”””””””””””””
Antony beevor will disagree with you. They guy is the most well known historian in the world. His book Stalingrad is the most sellable book in the world. He references when Stalin, Khruchev and Zukov said that without land lease there wouldn’t be a victory. Then he said that Soviet propaganda hide these facts.
USA supplied 12 000 tanks. 4 times more then what Germany had in 1941. 19 000 planes, that were superior to Soviet planes. Soviet produced only 50 000 in the war. 300 000 cars and trucks. Soviets couldn’t move their supply and troops without car and trucks.
“”””I can see you're well educated and I'm sure you know that American and British banks pumped huge amounts of money into Germany and financed Hitler to build his army, but I guess you don't like talking about that””””””
That is B.S. I don’t see any conformation to this claim among Western historians. Looks like Soviet and current Russian propaganda.
“””””American Standard Oil kept selling oil to Germany even after Hitler declared war on US... not a single their oil tanker was sank by german submarines.Not a big surprise that the chief of Reihsbank Hjalmar Schacht declared to his lawyer at Nurnberg process that americans should also be judged at that process as they financed them and helped Germany build the army.”””””””
That is B.S. British fleet stopped whole oil supply from 1939. And luck of oil was the main reason Germany attacked USSR and one of the main reasons why Germany lost.
“”””””I'm surprised by Israel providing weapons to a nazi regime and some Jews defending them. After the Holocaust it should never happen...””””””
Looks like you got brainwashed. No Nazi in Ukraine. Russians, Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Jews, Gipsies, Tatars, Georgians, Armenians, Romanians, Hungarians and many other nationalities lived together in peace without any discrimination. Grandfather of Zelenski fought with a Nazi and his 3 brothers perished in Holochost.
Israel doesn’t provide any weapons out of fear that Russia will provide modern weapons to terrorists and countries supporting terrorists to make extra money. Not out of love for Russia, but for pragmatic reasons. Israel supply hospitals and ambulances for Ukraine.
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@RoMaPa4363 You are victim of Soviet Propaganda as a was once despite you knowing English.
"US joined the war only after Soviet army won the battle for Moscow and pushed germans over 150km from the capital, that's when US realised USSR will win the war... Also they joined the war in 1941, their troops only joined the European theatre of operations in June 1944, when soviet army was literally entering Poland."
US joined as a result of Hitler declaring a war on USA. USA provided millitary help to UK since 1940. USA joined in 1942 with a ground forces in North Africa and in 1943 they landed in Italy. Also USA and UK opened massive bombardment of Germany in 1942 Making Germany to bring majority of its air force and anti air force which was used against Soviet tanks from Eastern Front to Europe. Also the major contributing of UK and USA was blocking oil supply to Germany. Germany run out of gas to run its tanks, trucks, planes. They couldn't produce more tanks, planes, trucks, cars since there was no gas to power them.
USA in 1941 had a great fleet and air force, but very small ground army (only 150 000 troops). It took them 2.5 years to create big ground army while fighting with Japan who started a war against USA. USA and UK affered to USSR start invasion to Europe in 1943, but with stop of supply millitary aid to USSR. USSR asked them to keep with an aid. In 1942-1944 USA and UK destroyed majority of millitary industry and German air force and fleet. Majority of the money Germany spent in that war was on fleet and air force, not on ground force. One german submarine as like 20 german tanks by cost and USA and UK sunk 800 of them. You are victim of Soviet propoganda so many years after USSR stopped to exist.
"Until June 1944 US only provided material help - ammunition, food, etc. and in fact they started delivering essential quantities only from 1943, at that time the battle for Stalingrad was won.
The overall weaponry, ammunition,food and other materials delivered through the leandlease programme makes only 4% of the total materials used by soviet army..."
USSR got vital aid from UK in 1941 when they didn't have anything. In 1942 USA started massive supply of trucks and car in USSR. German loved American trucks that they took from Soviets in 1942. Also in 1942 Germany moved majority of air force to Europe to protect its sky and majority anti air force weapons that were grate also against tanks
4 % of total materials is a Soviet propaganda story. Stalin , Zykov, Hryshev said that without help from USA USSR wouldn't win this war. Soviet propaganda kept their sayings as a secret. I trust Stalin, Zykov, Hryshev on this much more than you. USA and UK killed 28% OF German combat force while USSR 72%. All this while fighting with Japan who opened the war against UK and USA. But this number is not real reflection of contribution. USA and UK didn't allow oil supply to Germany and Germany already in 1942 didn't have oil. And oil is a main reason Hitler went to capture south. USA and UK destroyed majority of German industry and infostructure. USA supply USSR with help that without this help they wouldn't win a war.
USA and UK destroyed vast majority of German air force and fleet that cost few times more than a German tanks, artillery, trucks that German used on Eastern front.
It is remarkable how Soviet propaganda brainwashed people and so many years after fall of Soviet Union people believe to Soviet propaganda. And i assume that you are educated and you know good English. What can be said on regular people in Russia
""""""The soviet army would have won the war anyway, maybe not in May 1945 but in July or August, because from the operation Bagration in June 1944 the fate of germans was clear.
Allies only entered in June 1944 for a reason - not to let Stalin to expand his socialism over the west society."""""
Operation Bagration since 1.5-2 million Germans were in Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, Holand, Norway, Denmark. Olso one third of Soviet tanks were Americans. Also USA passed communication technology and 12 000 planes. Also USA provided 300 000 trucks. You can't run such operation without good logistic. Also German lacks oil to move their tanks from place to place in 1944. Also Vast majority of air defense was on Western front. Those were best anti tank weapon.
Allies defeated Germans in Africa in 1942/1943 and landed in Italy in 1943. And they kept 2 millions German on different shores in Europe. They coudn't entered earlier since they had very small ground force in 1941an fought in the same time with Japan
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@RoMaPa4363 Ir looks like partly Russian propaganda succeeded to brainwash you.
I wants endless Nato officers and soldiers who were in Iraq and Afghanistan. They all lauth at Russian army. At their level of air force, at their level of comand od control, at their tanks that if got hot explode and destroy whole tank killing all crews, at their level of intelegence, at their technology of drones, at quality of its soldiers and their trainings and tactics, at their anti aircraft technology that led to sinking Moskow ship, at their low ranked officers trainings, at their lack if safe communication, at their lack of good tires for weel for combat vehicles, at their lack of comand structure ( only in April there was a comander of fighing forces was set) ant their lack of good tactical level.
All millitary commentators are sorry for considering Russia second strongest army in the world.
If Israel would fight Russia no Russian plane would go to the air ot of fear being destroyed. F 35 planes would do the job without being detected. Israeli drones would destroy from the long distance Russian Army. Israeli tanks will absolutely destroy Russian tanks formations .Israeli infantry would be absolutely superior to Russian and would work very closely with artillery, drones, tanks, intelegence,air force.
Russian soldiers wouldn't have a chance, despite being few time bigger in numbers.
It is not that Western Armies stronger in some areas than Russian army. They are stronger in so many areas and on so many levels
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