Comments by "Leonid Shnaider" (@leon19736) on "Thom Hartmann Program" channel.

  1. +vuk911 They could have Palestinian independent state long time ago but they choose the war and got nothing. No single Israeli solger in Gaza. It is separate entity. West Bank they have Palestinian parlament, Palestinian president, Palestinian police, Palestinian court system and Palestinian prisons
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  2. Could you tell me how many Palestinian homes were destroyed in West Bank? Give me exact number and reference. Last week humans rights organization wrote report blaming Egypt of destroying 3200 on the border on Gaza Strip to prevent tunnel being operated. So give me please number of homes of innocent Palestinian civilians that were destroyed. If you Don't bring me a number with a reference I would consider number as zero.
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  3. +vuk911 I wrote: So give me please number of homes of innocent Palestinian civilians that were destroyed. Most of the houses that were destroyed were houses of terrorists and houses that were destroyed in a war actions. That is interesting that data your brought referred back 12-16 years ago in a period of second intifada (war) It is impossible by law to destroy house without very good reason. And it is go thru the court in Israel, which is independent court. If you have an example of innocent that didn't violate a law and there was no active military action in his area i would like you to bring this example. America now is bombing Isis. How many houses Usa destroyed? How many houses syrian army destroyed? In any war in the world houses destroyed. Israel had highly debatable policy of destroying houses of terrorists. Data you brought is refered to second intifada time when many terrorists come to Israel and committed terror. Housed of those terrorists are destroyed . Families that live in a houses can apeal to court. And finally number of the houses you brought is very very low compere to what Egiption army destroyed on the border of the Israel last 6 mouth. I would be very happy if you bring me number of the houses that were destroyed last year or last 5 years. You wrote :Yes, and what they also have in West Bank is Jewish settlers who come, destroy homes of Palestinians. Jewish settlers can't destroy houses because they have no means of destruction and it is violation of the law. I would be very happy if you will bring me one example were they destroyed house of Palestinian. Only army can do it and it is according to a law. And there ara many lawyers in the army.
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  4. +vuk911 There are no any killing of innocent kids. You can believe in your lies. Person that creats a danger for a life of solders will be shoot. Throwing Molotov cocktail bottles is a life threat and in this case solder should aim to a center of body mass. Could you tell me how many innocent Palestinian kids were killed last year. Could you bring one example that Israel killed for no reason innocent Palestinian kid in no war situation.  Yes they could be killed when exchange fire happened. Yes in a last war in Gaza many Palestinian children died. When Hamas use them as a human shield and innocent children died. It happened in all wars. I don't know any war where innocent people didn't die. May be you have in your imagination possibility that you can fight moral war without killing innocents, but that exists only in your head. "For some one who didn't live in Israel and didn't visit there it will be difficult to detect lies of the movie." - Didn`t you think for a second that you living in Israel could possibly give you a bias? Never crossed your mind? It comes from a life experience in a military When my unit was ordered to arrest terrorist my officer told loudly to everyone : I don't care about your political view , but if anyone will try to paunch him , he will go to prison,. In other accident commander -sergeant punched arrested terrorist and after that went to prison. After a prison he was expelled from a combat unit. So he coudn't come in touch with a Palestinians. In a movie that you brought there is a scene where solders beating Palestinians. Movie failed to tell you that those guys went to prison and that is exception of the role rather then common practice. Things like these happened in all armies in the world. But movie gives you impression that it is happening very day and that guy was innocent guy. Bulldozing homes is a common practice for the last 50 years, and yet you just say it doesn`t happen and that`s it. It is common practice for terrorists homes, but not for normal Palestinians, unless they build illegally without permits. But it will happened in your country also if you will build illegally on a public land.
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  5. +vuk911 I asked you: Could you bring one example that Israel killed for no reason innocent Palestinian kid in no war situation. You failed. Example you brought is from a war. In a way many innocent civilians die. In any war. In any Country. Now , twenty years ago and fifty years ago. No war without innocents. There is no clean and estetic wars.  In any war mistakes happening. How many Israely solders died in a war from friendly fire. Mistakes happened in the war and it is happened many times. Don't start the war and there will be no mistakes. Particulary in case of Gaza -the most populated place in the world. And with massive use civilans as a himan shield. It is stupid to deny that was a massive use of civilians as a human shield. You also forgot to mention that Palestinians started that war and few times refused to cease fire,and after that broken cease fire. You should also come with a claims to Palestinians why they started that war. And why they refused few times to cease fire. Again you failed to bring me example of innocent kids what were killed for no reason in no war situation.
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  6. +vuk911 To shoot innocent people is illegal order in Israely army. That is a special type of order that every solder must refuse it. It is by army law and every solder was tough that law and aware of it. What you doing is a same staff like i would blame USA that it kills black people with police help. I can take few cases and manipulate it into case that all police people i Usa are racists and use their position as opportunity to kill black. That is a same you doing with Israel. That is a very well known manipulation in NLP when you find one or few traits in you opponent and make general accusation base on one or few cases. "It is common practice for terrorists homes" - How stupid are you? What the fuck does a house have to do with a terrorist? Ok, let`s say, every single one of those houses were owned by a terrorist. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY A HOUSE??????? How the fuck does it help? Why don`t you just arrest a terrorist? Because it is helping to preventing other terrorists. Sadly there is no death penalty in Israel and Israely prisons like 2 stars hotel. So few very smart people in Israel who have very extensive experience with arabs suggested to destroy homes of terrorists to prevent others from dealing with terror. Those people thousent time more experience in security then me or you. "if you will build illegally on a public land." - Oh so, that`s how it works? Israel gets to decide what is legal or illegal in other countries? There is no Israelis in Gaza. If Palestinian build on public land house without permitting his house will be also destroyed , but this time by Palestinian police
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  7. +vuk911 Israel already withdrew from Gaza. I supported that move back in time. In reality after withdrawal Israel got 10000 missiles , 3 wars with gaza and more then 1000 attempt to cross the border to kill Israelis. Me as well as a most people in Israel look at this as experiment that completely failed. If Israel will withdraw from west bank it will be much much worst then what happened in Gaza. There will be missiles to planes that landing in Israeli main airport. There will be missiles that will hit all central cities in Israel. Isis, Hamas , El kaida will take control of the west bank. Palestinians did exelant job in convincing Israeli people not to withdraw from Gaza. Even very liberal and moderate people like me in Israel got convinced by Palestinian actions not to make any compromise in West Bank
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  8.  @seasalt489  Which of the facts I presented is incorrect?
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  9.  @seasalt489  Do you disagree that Arafat, father of Palestinian nation was born in Egypt? Do you disagree that 900 000 Jews from Arab countries were expelled from those countries and their property, land, homes, businesses , bank accounts was confiscated?
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  10. +vuk911 That is never had place in Israel. Sometimes unimaginable. Contrary Palestinian Hamas states that it's goal to kill as many jews as possible.
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  11. +vuk911 Really? In 2000 Israel offered to pal 95 precent of the land back and additional 5 precent from the land of Israel. What was Palestinian response? They started the war of sauside bombers. They killed more then 1000 Israelis. And that number could be 20 times more if not amazing intelegence. In a last war Which was done in a most populated area in the world 2200 Palestinians were killed half of them civilians. Palestinians started the war, Palestinians refused to seace fire few times and Palestinians paid huge price. They could blame only themselves. Any other western or not western army would finish this war with a much higher number of civilians dead. Nato generals went to study after a war how Israel finish a war with a such low number of civilians who died despite fighting in a most populated area and despite using civilians as a human shield.
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