Leonid Shnaider
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Comments by "Leonid Shnaider" (@leon19736) on "It’s Time to Tell the Truth: Israeli Journalist Gideon Levy Supports Ilhan Omar’s Critique of Israel" video.
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@tasm1411 Gidon Levi considered in Israel as a crazy man by 99% of Israelis.
You quoted him like he is God's wisdom. By the way he is allowed to be journalist in Israel and make Israeli people angry with his articles in Haarets. In any Arab country he would be killed or imprisoned .
My personal opinion about Gidon Levi is that he is crazy, fucked up, self hating Jew.
"The only time they came close to settlemen an Jewish extremist killed Yiztak Rabin who was warned by Zionist that any peace deal would be betrayal"
You so full of B.S. Rabin was a zionist. In the time of Rabin Palestinian children were taught in school that eventually Israel will be gone and all Palestine will be Arab. In time of Rabin Arafat openly told in mask in South Africa that agreement with a Jews is fake - Like Muhamed fooled others when he was week. It was recorded .And by the way unlike you i vote Rabin. All Oslo process was one big froud from Arafat. He never talked to his people about future peace. But he did spoke in a close circle how he fooled Israelis and how they will regret that they sign the deal with him.
The rules the mullahs follow trace back to the life and example of Muhammad, he said. “And one of the most important tactical victories in Muhammad’s career is what is known as the Treaty of Hudaibiyah.”
Muhammad made this treaty with the pagan Quraysh tribe of Mecca, which was the most powerful tribe in the region at the time.
The Qurayshis entered into a 10-year peace pact with Muhammad and lived to regret it.
It appeared to be a lopsided treaty in favor of the Qurayshis. For instance, if one of Muhammad’s followers wanted to leave and join the Qurayshis, they were free to do so. But if one of the Qurayshis wished to become a Muslim, they were to be rejected and returned to the Quraysh.
But Muhammad saw an opportunity.
Freed from any military threat from the most powerful tribe in the region, he suddenly “received a revelation” from Allah, Richardson said.
This revelation can be found in Surah 48 of the Quran. It begins with “Surely We (Allah) have given to you a clear victory.”
With the Quravshis sidelined, Muhammad began attacking several large Jewish tribes in Arabia.
Any men who joined the Muslims in war would receive a significant share of the plunder, booty, slaves and female prisoners.
The Jewish villages fell like Dominos, and the wealth of the Jews became that of the Muslims.
Within two years, the Muslims went from about 1,200 men to more than 10,000.
Muhammad then launched a surprise attack on the Qurayshis and defeated them. The Muslims stood alone as the most powerful group in the Arabian Peninsula.
“The takeaway is that Muslims today look to the example of Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaibiyah as one of the primary go-to strategies to defeat their enemies,” Richardson said. “Enter into a treaty, a covenant, a ceasefire. But it is only for the purpose of gaining strength to eventually defeat your enemy.
“Muslims today clearly understand ‘Hudaibiya’ to be a code-word which, in brief, means ‘kiss the hand of your enemy until you have the opportunity to cut it off.
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@tasm1411 Gaza has a border with Egypt. UN and you never mentioned this fact. Israel doesn't not control this border. Why you don't blame Egypt as well. You treat UN like they absolute wisdom.
UN is a list of countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Zimbabve, Cuba, South Africa with black Apartheid, Bellarasia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Iran, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, China, Vietnam, Saudia, Catar, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, Aserbaidzan, Bangladesh, bunch of Africans countries .
Do you really think that Israel care what those countries think about Israel or what those countries write in their reports against Israel. You give too much credit to UN like it absolute Justice and absolute wisdom.
Do you think that Russia, China, Turkey, USA care what UN think. All those countries violate international laws and they are not condemned in UN.
Nobody in UN condem China for Tibet occupation ot Turkey for Cyprus occupation. UN is a bunch of Hippocrates.
There is a huge difference between creation of Hamas and inviting the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood in in order to decide the PLO. And it also was a mistake. Nobody thought in that time that Muslim brotherhood will become to what Hamas become today. It is normal to make mistakes. Israel did many mistakes. Oslo one of them. Settlements are another.
Israel is not free from mistakes.
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@tasm1411 This is not my writings about Ilan Pappe.
And i don't work for anybody and just do it for fun
"Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers." Ilan Pappe Le Soir, Nov. 29, 1999
"Ilan Pappe, a history lecturer at the University of Haifa, freely admits that, in his view, facts are irrelevant when it comes to the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. "Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers," Pappe said in an interview with the French newspaper Le Soir, Nov. 29, 1999
"My bias is apparent despite the desire of my peers that I stick to facts and the "truth" when reconstructing past realities. I view any such construction as vain and presumptuous." - Ilan Pappe (A History of Modern Palestine) p. 11
Ilan Pappe is an ex-Israeli, ex-historian. This guy was expelled from his Israeli university post after he was found to be fabricating historical data. Pappe's books have been critiqued by many since his evidence is based on half-truths, falsified facts and wishful thinking. He makes a living by giving talks to both left-wing groups and other Saudi Arabia-funded organizations.
Nobody in community of historians will take him seriously . Nobody among professionals in History subject will reference to Ilan Pappe.
Benny Morris: You cannot rely on one sentence in Ilan Pappe's book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jGhC5vMY6s
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@tasm1411 norman finkelstein? Is this a guy who supported communism in China and went to live in Chian in the time when the biggest genocide in a human history took place and 100 millions Chinese people were killed?
He moved to China because he supported Chinese communism.
Is it the same guy? I believe most of the people in the world be very angry on you for you quoting this guy. It is the same like you quoting someone you supported Hitler or Nazzi Germany.
Noam Chomsky? Is this a guy who supported and glorified few years back Chaves and Socialist Venezuela? Is it the same guy?
Curiously, that’s not how the Venezuelan regime’s admirers used to speak of “21st century socialism,” as it was dubbed by Hugo Chávez. The late Venezuelan president, said Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn, “showed us there is a different and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism, it’s called social justice, and it’s something that Venezuela has made a big step toward.” Noam Chomsky was similarly enthusiastic when he praised Chávez in 2009. “What’s so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela,” the linguist said, is that “I can see how a better world is being created and can speak to the person who’s inspired it.”
I believe that most people in the western world would be very angry to listen to some one like Noam Chomsky if you inform them on his position on Venezuela in 2009.
Richard Falk?
Standing with Hamas: Richard Falk
https://usefulstooges.com/2017/08/18/falk2/
You have amasing ability to give a references to all kind of crazy people. Norit Peled, Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, Norman finkelstein, Richard Falk
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@tasm1411 I don't to work for anybody. MBA wouldn't troll on the internet.
I also don't know anybody in Israel who troll for money. Never heard.
Also i don't have access to premium Haaretz articles.
You may love or you may hate Israelis. Absolute majority of educated Israelis will tell that Nurit and Mico Peled liars and manipulators. I don't have time to go over their speeches. As i wrote you i have other priorities in life. You welcome to come to Israel and to show to few well educated Israelis their speeches.
Richard Falk
The then U.S. representative at the UN, Susan Rice, reacted with anger to Falk’s high-handed nonsense, describing his call for a boycott as “irresponsible and unaccceptable” and saying that his “continued service in the role of a UN Special Rapporteur is deeply regrettable and only damages the credibility of the UN.” Israel agreed, calling Falk’s report “grossly biased” and demanding his dismissal. Canada’s Foreign Ministry weighed in too, describing Falk’s report as “biased and disgraceful” and saying that if he did not withdraw it, he should resign.
Even as Richard Falk was systematically savaging Israel, he continued to shift the blame for 9/11 from its jihadist perpetrators to George W. Bush and, perhaps, unnamed others in Bush’s political orbit. These comments not only brought more criticism from Susan Rice, who again called for his dismissal. Even Ban Ki-moon, the then Secretary-General of the UN (and a man who was usually restrained, often maddeningly so, on such matters), spoke up, calling Falk’s claims “preposterous” and “an affront to the memory of the more than 3,000 people who died in that tragic terrorist attack.” But Ban added that he was in no position to fire Falk – only the UNHRC itself could do that.
John Baird
Falk also offered his opinions on later terrorist acts. After the Boston Marathon murders, he described them as “blowback” from U.S. actions – an implicit defense of the Tsarnaev brothers and an affront to their victims. This obscene remark drew angry criticism from Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird, who said that the UN “should be ashamed to even be associated with such an individual,” and, once again, from Susan Rice, who said that it was “[p]ast time for him to go.” In 2011, Falk posted online an anti-Semitic cartoon depicting a dog in a yarmulke (although he later insisted it was not a yarmulke but an IDF helmet). There ensued yet another round of calls for his resignation. This time even Falk’s supervisor at the UNHCR, Navi Pillay, recognized the cartoon as anti-Semitic, but she didn’t fire him – because, she said, he had apologized. Any questions?
Norman Finkelstein was communist who supported China in time of the biggest genocide in a human history. He came to China to teach in University while tens of millions people were killed.
Vast majority of the people in the Western World would be very angry on you as some one who bring references from Norman Finkelstein.
Noam Chomsky . Vast majority on the people will laugh at someone who supported Hugo Chavez.
Dr Hajo Meyers never lived in Israel and didn't know what does it mean to live in a country where millions of residences of neighboring countries want Israel to be destroyed. He did't see those things in his own eyes.
Absolute majority of Holocaust survivors and their children in Israel ( more then 99%) will highly disagree with Dr Hajo Meyers and will be very angry on his sayings. Also Dr Hajo Meyers support BDS - organisation which most western leaders considered anti semitic whose goal is destruction of Israel. He would be considered by vast majority of Jews in Israel as worst then capo( Jews who cooperated in concentration camps with Nazi for extra food. They also were killed by the end) That is the worst thing one Jew can say about other Jew. I believe that majority of Holocaust survivors will say that he is worse then capo.
Illan Pappe considered to be a crook by majority of historians in the world.
Nobody will take him seriously after he wrote that truth is not important.
He also support destruction of Israel.
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@tasm1411 To your knowledge Ukraine started water blockade against Crimea. It used to supply water to Crimea and completely stopped water supply. Even for money. Israel has no problem to supply Gaza with water if Gaza pays money to Israel for drinkable water Israel produced from Mediterranean Sea water.
c. He also talks about specific forms of punishment e.g. "coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival." What are you talking about?
As i wrote you before and you pretended that you didn't read it security walls saved thousands of Israeli and Palestinians life. It also decreased crime rate in Israel. Many countries has a wall on the border. Why you don't blame those countries as well.
To compare country to Nazi Germany because it build wall on its border sounds ridiculous.
"the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields"
I answered you before and it looks like you have an amnesia.
Nothing bad in bulldozing homes of terorists who killed Jews.
Nothing bad in bulldozing homes that build illegally like it take place in any other country in the world .
"destruction of fields" never heard about
To compare this to Nazi Germany is crazy.
"the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; "
In the world war 2 Brits, Americans, Soviets bombed schools , churches and government buildings in Germany.
Same did Russia in Chechnya war.I don't see problem that country that was attacked bombed schools, mosques and government buildings.
To compare israel because of it to Nazi Germany sounds ridiculous.
"an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival"
USA did many economic blockades in its history. So did other countries. Azerbaijan right now doing economic blockade to Armenia.
As you forgot to mention Hamas is role Gaza. And Hamas openly stated goal is destruction of Israel.
Also Israel supply all food and medicine Gaza needs.
Also you forgot to mention that Gaza has border with Egypt. And Some how Egypt got forgotten. Amnesia.
Israel let thousands of people from Gaza to enter Israel so Israeli doctors can give Palestinians from Gaza cancer treatment. Israel save huge number of Pal each year by providing them with modern western medical treatment.
To compare Israel to Nazi Germany because of blockade is ridiculous.
General Yair Golan. Again the guy expressed his own opinion. He didn't compare Israel to Nazi Germany.
He talked about sign of fascism in Israeli society. He was general in the army. As a general in any army in the world you can't talk about political staff.
It was his own opinion and he backed from it. Today he is civilian and he say nothing about Israel and fascism.
You love to take opinions of private people and make facts from them, then present it as absolute truth. There are millions opinions in Israel . You took just one of millions. And guy who expressed this opinion backed from his opinion. And today as civilian he didn't come back to his previous opinion.
But as i wrote you before you are type of person who doesn't like facts if they contradict your visson of the world and you just prefere to ignore them and forget them
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@tasm1411
"As for the, BDS movement. So western leaders think it's antisemitic? I think that's more to do with intense Israeli lobbying then any serious concerns ( https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/israel-72m-war-chest-fight-bds-arrives-europe-181113115929627.html ). The fact the the BDS maybe considered antisemitic is due to a wider climate of scaremongering in which antisemitism has been weponised. A group of 40+ Jewish organisations signed a letter saying antisemitism is being used to stifle legitimate criticism of Israel ( "
As i wrote you before people like you don't deal with facts if they are inconvenient.
facts annoy you, and I will continue to posting them.
Presidents and prime ministers of following countries USA, Canada, Holland , UK, Germany , France and i assume few more defined BDS as anti semitic.
Even Norman Finkelstein and i really don't like him – told that BDS movement “a hypocritical, dishonest CULT” and that BDS is “not really talking about rights. They want to destroy Israel.” You referenced to this guy first. I listen to his speeches and found incredible amount of B.S . but because you referenced him first i will also reference him against you. Also Noam Chomsky was highly critical on BDS and said that BDS is about destruction of Israel.
Also you use reference Al Jazira highly biased against Israel chanel. Any one who will read articles on Al Jazira will tell that they are highly biased against Israel.
How desperate you are that you using such a reference like Al Jazira.
It is interesting who are those 40 Jewish organisation. And if they are real. Or it is 3 people not necessary Jews claim that they are Jewish organisation.
Jewish voice for peace is financed by George Soros. Majority of the people in the world will be angry on organisation financed by Soros. Those organisation support BDS organisation that aim at Israel destruction as your good friends Noam Chomsky. and Norman Finkelstein said.
The best response to those Jews who support BDS and Dr Hajo Meyers one of them will be response of current American ambassador in Israel Daniel Fridman about Jews in America.
"Are J Street supporters really as bad as kapos? The answer, actually, is no. They are far worse than kapos—Jews who turned in their fellow Jews in the Nazi death camps. The kapos faced extraordinary cruelty and who knows what any of us would have done under those circumstances to save a loved one? But J Street? They are just smug advocates of Israel's destruction delivered from the comfort of their secure American sofas—it's hard to imagine anyone worse. "
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@tasm1411 "What emotional investment? Why do you imagine I have an emotional investment in Palestinians? It's matter of conscious."
Someone knowledgeable about Palestinian case like you and not Israeli ? It is obvious that you have very high emotional investment for Palestinian case. Any one who will read our exchange letters will confirm it. It is so obvious, so it silly to deny it.
"All the examples I gave happened over 70 years ago and you don't know the circumstances in which they happened? Again, SO? Are you saying terrorist attacks 70 years ago are less reprehensible than a terrorist attack that happened less than 40years ago? "
If you have to go back half a century to find ANYTHING, it shows how desperate you are. You FAIL.
"You need to understand the difference between facts and your opinion."
Love what you wrote. You kept posting opinions in all your references. Opinion of leftist Israelis, opinion of american professor, Opinion of Al Jazira, Opinion of some very radical Jews in US and tried to present it as a fact. I brought to facts, numbers, circumstances, arguments in response. You got owned with my arguments .
But as i wrote you few times before people like you don't like to deal with facts if they inconvenient.
"Which articles ain't working? Do need me to show you how to use a computer? Copy and paste the link in to your browser. All the links work when I use them? Most of the articles are not from Haaretz premium, except the Moshe Ya'alon article."
I believe i read most of the articles with exception of Haaretz premium , one that link was broken.https://www.theguardian.com
"Living in Israel doesn't mean you know about israel or your just lying and you do know the history. Living in Israel is not important, iv proven time and time again "
That is increatable B.S. Tell this to educated Israelis and watch them laughing.
You can educate yourself about a conflict , but you can't understand thing without living in a tiny country surrounded by tens of millions people who want you destruction and glorifying those who killed woman and children in your country.
You can't understand Israelis without watching Tel Aviv from a hill on the West Bank. You can't understand Israel without experience running from missiles that were fired on Israel. You can't understand Israel without serving in the millitary and speaking with those who were in war.
You wrote such an increatable B.S.
I lived in Cyprus for a long time on both sides. You can't understand Greek Cypriots without talking to many regular people on Greeks side. And then you form an opinion.
And move to Turkish side. Then you have different opinions of Turkish Cypriots. You also see the land.
And you understand that your knowledge is very limited and biased.
And without living and talking to many people on both sides and actually driving all over Cyprus you will never understand conflict. And even now i recognise my limitations in understanding whole situation as whole because i lived in Cyprus limited time.
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@tasm1411 "Tell me what has changed since 2010 to now that allows the IDF to let in to Gaza items such as Soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy? What was the security situation before when cookies needed to be banned? It's not about security but about collective punishment. That's why the IDF counts calories needed so at times of conflict it can restrict the amount of food in to Gaza to put pressure on Hamas, according to a Israeli NGO Gisha. That's why israel keeps Gaza's economy on the verge of collapse, according to cables revealed by wikileakes ( "
I don't have exact information , but in my understanding there is almost no restriction for supply in Gaza today. The information presented in the article has no relevance for today. Also no single person in Gaza died from hunger. And i have never heard that anybody hungry in Gaza.
"not about security but about collective punishment"
That is your conspiracy theory. And there is no hard evidence to support your conspiracy theory. And blockade is used in other countries around the world Ukraine blockade Crimea and Donbass, Azerbaijan blockade Armenia.
"Of course you don't see a problem with destroying people's homes, it's because you have no morals. How can you hold a entire family responsible for the crime of one person? "
You wrote this because it doesn't bother you when Jews are killed. You might be even happy when Palestinians kill Jews. And if it saves lives of the Jews i don't care about the family. To compare this to Nazism you must be crazy.
It is more important for you suffering families of terrorists then suffering innocent families of Jews whose members were killed by those terorists.
I know that killing Jews not important for you and suffering Jewish families of those killed doesn't bother you. So you conversation about morality is stupid.'
You never condemns Palestinians for killing Jews. You never condemns Palestinians for glorifying those who killed Jews. You never condemned Palestinians for refusing for any peace deal. You never condemned Palestinians for firing missiles to civil areas in Israel.
You never condemn Pal for electing and supporting Hamas.
But you condemn Israel for destroying homes of terorists who killed Jews and talk about morality and compare this to Nazism. How big hypocrite you are?
"Any western country would destroy houses built with out permits? Most western countries wouldn't discriminate in who they give permits to. 94% of Palestinian applications for permits are declined ."
Yes. Any western country will destroy house without permit. Actually nobody will build without permit in Western country.
Don't you think that you reference for 94% disapproval rate is highly limited?
Article say nothing about the reasons. Article say nothing about numbers among Jews.
Article say nothing about legal process that should be taken to destroy those homes.
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@tasm1411 "There is no comparison between Gaza and the Crimea. Ukraine doesn’t have to supply Crimea because it doesn’t stop Crimea finding other sources."
Really? Do you have amnesia? Egypt.
Also Gaza is a state that ruled by organisation that openly claim that it want to destroy Israel and stated that opened 3 wars with Israel, and fired more then 10 000 misses on Israeli cities.
Did you forget it? Amnesia again?
"Can the people of Gaza just build a desalination plant without Israel’s say so? No they can’t."
Yes they can. Why would Israel prevent building this plant. It is just plant like this will require
a lot of electricity and Gaza will need to pay for this electricity.
". In the West Bank Palestinians only get 75% of water they should under the Oslo accords. This means they purchase the rest from Israel. One third of this water is lost through leakages because Israel want grant permits to Palestinians to repair infrastructure (https://www.btselem.org/water )."
Again you bring source to you information that has very low credibility. btselem is highly biased source of information
Don't you have other staff in your life rather then to worry how much water Palestinians get on the West Bank? Doen't world has no other problem.
I am not familiar with this information that you referred . So i will nor comment.
"Has the Ukraine punished the people of the Crimea with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for the past 12 years? "
Again you have amnesia. Again you full of general B.S and Arab Propaganda,
Security wall saved many human lives. I see no problem with destruction of homes of Pal who killed Jews. Israel in the war bombed schools and mosques only if those schools where used as a millitary info structure and were used for launching missiles on Israeli cities. Israel has no obligation to provide free water to Gaza. Israel provide all medicine to Gaza. Israel accept thousands sick Palestinians from Gaza for medical treatment in Israel. Only members of Hamas families are prohibited to enter Israel for medical treatment. They can get medical treatment in local hospitals in Gaza or they can go to Egypt.
" If the wall guarantees security, why do 620000 Israelis choose to live on the other side of the wall in settlements?"
All security experts in Israel agree that wall saved very big number of human lives.
What is you expert in security and fighting terror , that you say that all Israelis security experts who worked their whole life in intelligence , army and police are wrong? Israel has reputation of the best country in the world for fighting terror and security people from all over the world come to Israel to get training how to fight terror. So don't try to teach Israel how to fight terror and pretend that you know better how to fight terror then Israeli security.
"Nothing bad in bulldozing homes of terorists who killed Jews”. Okay, and I asked you, do the homes of Jewish terrorist who kill Palestinians get destroyed?"
I would like to change you question to make it more valid. Do Jews and Arabs in Israel who committed terror attacks and killed people their homes get destroyed? Now question you asked looks very different.
No Arabs in Israel who killed Jews, their homes not destroyed. You can count Jews who killed Arabs on fingers of one arm. They all in Israeli prisons for life sentence and their homes are not destroyed. And there is a legal explanation for why homes of Israeli citizens both Jews and Arabs are not destroyed compare to Palestinians.
When Jews burned Arab teenager alive same question came to public. And there was a legal explanation for not destroying homes of Jewish terorists. I cant bring reference to article and it was in Hebrew anyway.
"Also an Israeli army committee found “that the policy had little deterrent effect and inflamed Palestinian hatred”. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4274977.stm). So its not making you any safer even though you claim you care about Jewish liv"
There are many opinions on any security issue in Israel and there are many reports on this. You love to bring reports that confirm you opinion. You brought many articles with opinion of people who considered to be crazy or crooks by vast majority of Israelis and presented them as absolute truth.
Let Israeli security professionals to decide on Israeli policy toward Palestinians. Don't interfere into security policy of other country.
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@tasm1411 “I didn't meet anyone who work for many to post on the internet for international. But i read it many times from pro Arab activists”. What does this mean?
I never met paid troll in Israel that work to post comments on Youtube on political issues of Israel.
" I live in the U.K, England to be precise"
That explains many things. You live in a country that opposition leader Corbin openly supported terorists genocidal organisations that want to exterminate Jews world wide and destroy Israel. He called them brothers and sisters. He almost become prime minsters. Shame on UK and British people. It is funny that you preach me on morality issues after your opposition leader visited graves of terorists who massacred innocents Jews. In my opinion most people in the world will call you Hippocrate.
You got opposition party that British media and politicians accuse its leader and members in Antisemitism.
" It was fought between the British Army and the IRA which was paramilitary group that used terrorism. Cities in England were bombed including my home town. It was a scary time. People like you e.g. Margret Thatcher said we would never talk to terrorists. There were brutal crack downs and massacres by the British army, but none of these things bought us security. Eventually the Good Friday agreement was signed in 1998. The British government realised there wasn’t a military answer in Ireland. Only peace guarantees security. Hopefully, one day you will realise this. So put away the violin and don’t tell me I don’t know what it’s like. You should look in to Ireland and the way the loyalists who are settlers fly Israeli flags during parades and republicans fly Palestinian flags. The similarities are interesting.
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That is increatable mistake to compare Irish people to Palestinians. Irish are Europeans who are secular and Christians who speak English and live good life in free democratic country. What you wrote is B.S. Irish love life. Palestinians love death.
However i do understand what you mean and i hope that in 50-100 years mindset of Palestinians will change as result of internet, low birth rate, increase of access of information. I do believe that nations change and Ukrainians who for centuries massacred Jews elected Jewish President.
However with Palestinians change may take 100 years and right now everybody in Israel agree that there is no partner for peace with Palestinians.
"but first tell me where that article you posted said Richard Falk is a Hamas supporter? Show me some evidence that Richard Falk is a Hamas supporter and then we can come back to 9/11 conspiracy theories."
I listen to Youtube Video where he was accused of being Hamas supporter by some one who work in UN. To my memory it was USA ambassador in UN Nikki Haley, but i can't say it 100%. Unfortunately i can't bring you this video. But it is not so important. The more important is what he did and said and what was told about him. And what other told about him disqualify him from working in UN and being objective source of information.
And you made reference to his report as objective source of information.
And rather then to accept you mistake of referring to his report as objective source of information you come to me asking to proof of him being Hamas supporter.
"When Norman Finklesteins shoes were stolen he was studying in France. He says he went to the class next day and said that if we were in China my shoes wouldn’t have been stolen. Why would he say that if he was living in China? (https://therealnews.com/stories/nfinklestein141223raipt3 ). You can read it for yourself. Clearly you didn’t listen to the whole story. Most people will laugh at a Maoist? Yes whatever lol"
I again miss the point . He was a communist supporter, ideology that killed around 100 million of people. If i was communist supporter in Past i would be silent all my life and i wouldn't try to teach other how to live.
In East Europe they have a saying no Nazi and Communist Past.
Also Norman glorified Hezbollah, organisation that aim to destroy Israel and which considered Terrorist organisation by EU and US and big number of other countries.
Its leader said that he is happy that Jews gathered in one place so he can finish them at one hit. And you brought him as your reference, shame on you.
Majority of the people in Western world will disqualify some one if he supported communism in his early years of his life
"On Noam Chomsky, its not my opinion he has won awards, its facts. You want buy their books because the truth hurts. Go on tell me what they said that was BS."
Noam Chomsky glorified Chavez in 2009 when it was obvious for majority of the world that he is a crazy person. I have no doubt that he won awards. I have no doubt that he is smart . There are many smart people that love an support Israel.
But if you tell to his followers that he glorified Chavez and Venesualla in 2009 they hill be much more skeptical to him. I have a life and other proprieties in life then reading their books . Also i would never support financially those guys by buying their books
"So it’s a fact that Vast majority of Holocaust survivors in Israel and their children will call Dr Hajo Myers a Kapo? Okay, prove it then. Show me your facts lol. I don’t even know why I am dignifying this rubbish with response. I suppose you know this because you have asked the vast majority of 130000 holocaust survivor what they think about Hajo Meyers? Facts lol"
So you wrote before that you don't need to live in country to know all facts. That is example for you B.S. If you were living in Israel where more then half people have some one killed in Holocaust you would know and wouldn't ask me to proof. Just example for you B.S claim that you don't need to live in Israel to know the truth
"Meyer has repeatedly argued that there are parallels between the Nazi treatment of Jews leading to (but not including) the Holocaust, and Israel's dehumanization of Palestinians.[12] At one talk, organized and hosted by leader of the UK's Labour Party in 2010, Meyer was later reported to have repeatedly likened Israel's actions against the people of the Gaza Strip to the mass killing of Jews in the Holocaust and likened the government of Israel to that of Nazi Germany.[13] [14] During the talk, Meyer said that "Judaism in Israel has been substituted by the Holocaust religion, whose high priest is Elie Wiesel."[13] Amid public outcry over an ongoing Labour Party antisemitism scandal, Corbyn apologized for being present and sharing a platform with Meyer, as well as for having organizing the event to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day.[14]" from wikipedia
Even Corbyn condemned him
"Meyer spoke in favor of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel.[16] In his last recorded interview, coinciding with the 2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict, Meyer lambasted Zionists as Nazi criminals, asserted that German hatred of Jews was less deeply grounded than Israeli-Jewish hatred of Palestinians, and denounced PM Benjamin Netanyahu's remarks that demonstrations against the war were evidence of hatred of Israel"
So he compared killing 2000 Palestinians in the war many of whom Hamas members of members of Hamas leader to killing 6 million Jews.How crazy it? And the war in 2014 started by Hamas. Also Hamas refused to cease fire , broke cease fire . The war ended after Hamas agreed to cease fire.
Meyer supported BDS organisation aiming on destruction of Israel and considered to be antisemitic by majority of Western leaders.
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@tasm1411 " @Leonid Shnaider “Nothing bad in bulldozing homes that build illegally like it take place in any other country in the world”. Like I said before no western country has “military order imposed a military planning system on the Palestinians and established a civilian planning system for the settlements – two planning systems, separate according to ethnicity, in the same area”.
(https://rhr.org.il/eng/2014/04/talking-points-injustices-in-the-west-bank-planning-system/ )."
Pal agreed to this in Oslo agreements. It was written as international document. Arafat signed this document. If you don't like it go to Pal leadership in 1993 and ask them why they signed this agrement.
"You haven’t heard of fields being destroyed? “In just over two months, from the beginning of May to 7 July 2018, B’Tselem documented 10 instances in which settlers destroyed a total of more than 2,000 trees and grapevines and burned down a barley field and bales of hay”. (https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/20180802_settlers_destroy_2000_palestinian_owned_trees )."
I am not the one who can respond to Btselem report. Ask some one who knows all facts on the ground.
"Name me a country in the west that bulldozes homes of terrorists and ‘illegally’ built homes and punishes the people with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for the past 12 years?
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You did copy paste few times of this paragraph.
I gave you response before. , but i will repeat that you full of general B.S
"Tell me when the Brits, Soviets punished the Germans with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for 12 years?
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Tell to your Hamas friends not to start wars with Israel and all those things wouldt happened.security wall saved many lives. bulldozing of homes of terrorists who killed is a great thing. Also i have never heard that Pal people died from hunger. Nice copy paste.
Tell me when Russia punished Chechnia with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for 12 years?
They did not do it . They just killed 30% of Chechnya population. And they throu Chechen militants from helicopters. And they complitly destroyed Chechnia in 2000. Look at the pictures of Grozni capital of Chechnya in 2000. They also killed around 40 000 Chechen children( based on stories Chechen people told me)
"There is only one example of this and its Israel, oh and Nazi Germany and the Warsaw Ghetto (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/jun/19/foreignpolicy.israel )"
Gaza is a getto with Hotels , markets, zoo, Beaches ( you can go 5-10 min from home anf swim in the see 9 mounth out 12), unlimited supply of food and medicine, border with Egypt, malls, thousands on masks, universities, local police, local TV and radio, hospitals, libraries, thousands of international Journalists, internet. Yes it is indeed Wasro getto.
And indeed Germans took sick Jews from Wasrwa ghetto and let them to get medical treatment in German hospitals like Israel let Palestinians to get medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. The comparing you did is absolutely rediculas. 600 000 Jews were exterminated in Wasrwa getto. To compare this to killing few terorists is ugly and disrespectfull .
It is also highly disrespectful to those who killed in Wasraw getto.
You love to bring an opinion of few crazy people and bring them as absolute true fact.
There are millions of opinions. You will be always be able to finf opinion that goes with your opinion and present it as a fact.
Also all this situation described in the article wouldn't happened if Palestinians wouldn't started war against Israel in 2000. If you start the war be ready to pay the price like Germans paid in world war 2.
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@tasm1411 "As for cancer treatment. Israel temporarily allows some Palestinians to leave their cage to receive medical treatment. Oh my god I didn’t know this. We should be so great full to Israel because they are true humanitarians lol. Pathetic! “Israeli authorities approved permits for medical appointments for only 54 percent of those who applied in 2017, the lowest rate since the World Health Organization (WHO) began collecting figures in 2008. WHO reported that 54 Palestinians, 46 of whom had cancer, died in 2017 following denial or delay of their permits”. (https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/02/13/israel-record-low-gaza-medical-permits ). Israel provides treatment? There were many nice people in Nazi Germany who hid Jews and treated Jews. That doesn’t mean Nazi Germany weren’t killing Jews. I have no doubt there are many principled doctors and people in Israel but doesn’t mean Israel is not killing Palestinians."
First of all Israel doesn't have any obligation to treat cancer of people of Gaza.
What Israel is doing is like UK or US or Soviet Union in the middle of the world war 2 would give treatment to sick German civilians on its territory.
Pal can go to any other country int the world to get cancer treatment via Egypt border. Israel doesn't not have any obligation to give to Hamas members families cancer treatment in Israel and put its civilians in danger.
Israel as any normal country put safety of its civilians higher then healf of members of Hamas families. And i don't feel ashamed of it.
What is more interesting is that Israel saved tens of thousands of Pal lives by providing modern medical treatment despite the fact that Palestinians in majority want Israeli destruction and happy when Jews are killed. But for you as highly biased against Israel it is not relevant.
I want to point that it is state of Israel saved those lives and not private people.
"It was his own opinion and he backed from it. Today he is civilian and he say nothing about Israel and fascism. But as i wrote you before you are type of person who doesn't like facts if they contradict your visson of the world and you just prefere to ignore them and forget them”. Oh really now. Well may be you need to get your facts right because in July 2017 after he was succeeded by Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi as deputy chief of staff in May he defended his speech. He said “I thought I was saying things that were clear, that every reasonable person would say” ( https://www.timesofisrael.com/outgoing-general-defends-controversial-holocaust-remembrance-day-speech/ ). Don’t you love when people make such grandiose statements about facts and the completely fall flat on their face because they don’t actually know any facts lol. He was talking about rise of Fascism in Israel was he? Thanks for clearing that up because it wasn’t obvious from what he was saying lol. There is a rising Fascism in Israel is so much better than what I was imagining lol. "
Did you read an article at all? Because article contradicts your claims about Israel being Nazi
While his critique of Israeli society was likely aimed at support for Jewish extremist actions, Golan specifically touched upon the issue of moral flaws within the army, saying the strength of the IDF was its ability to thoroughly investigate and punish wrongdoers “and take responsibility for the good and the bad” without justifying their actions or attempting to cover them up. The speech came amid handwringing over the case of Elor Azaria, who shot and killed a wounded and disarmed Palestinian assailant in Hebron months earlier.
Golan, who was succeeded by Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi as deputy chief of staff in May, defended his comments in the interview Monday, saying Israel — “as a light unto the nations” — has a responsibility to maintain “moral superiority.”
He said the test of that morality is not in comparison to other countries, but how Israel stands up to its own stated values.
“Morality is you compared to you. You compared to your standards, not to those around you. Around [Israel], there are murderous people who don’t hesitate to kill one another in fear-inducing quantities. That should give us no repose,” he said.
How you can compare Israel to Nazi Germany after you read what Golan said?
Sick.
"In my memory very few Israelis killed on their own innocent civilians. One guy in 1989/90 killed 7 Pal. Prison for life. Few years ago few Jewish guy revenged Pal for killing 3 Jewish teenagers by burning Pal teenager. They got life sentence in prison”. What is this lol? Do you think this even comes close to proving your claim which was all Jews who kill Palestinians get life in prison? This is like that party in the 90s again. Ask Israeli lawyers if all Jews who killed Palestinian get life in prison? I’m asking you. You made the claim, now prove it. I got owned and I changed the topic. You wish you owned me lol. Still so desperate to land a punch. I provided you an article on how I know but you claimed you can’t get access because it premium content on Haaretz. I think you don’t want to read it because the truth hurts. But yes I changed the subject from injustice in Israeli courts to injustice in Israeli courts. Oh I’m feeling so owned lol."
All Jewish terorists and there are very few of them who massacred innocent Arabs are in prison for life sentence. Period. And again what is your knowledge in law issues?
Among Palestinians those who killed Jews get life pension from Pal government and considered hero among people. While in Israeli prisons they get their pension in prison so they can buy staff in prison. Last month Pal Hamas member met Jewish girl in forest, raped her and killed her with knife. Unfortunately he was arrested alive and not killed while arest. He will get life sentence and while in Israeli prison he and his family will get pension for life from Palestinian authority. And you condemn Israel and not Palestinian authority . How sick your mind. And you say that you are man of peace in all over the world.
And his apartment was destroyed last week. I see no problem in destroying his apartment. Only sick people like you see problem in destroying homes of people like this Palestinian.
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@tasm1411 “Someone knowledgeable about Palestinian case like you and not Israeli?” So I make a point of knowing what I’m talking about, that means I have emotional investment in the Palestinian cause? You know it wouldn’t kill you to read bit more as well. I read about the situation so I know what I’m talking about, so someone can’t make me look silly like I have done with you. The only thing anyone witnessing our exchange will confirm is one person is bringing facts backed up with articles and reports and the other person is desperately trying to save face and making a piss poor job of it. You’re the one who’s making a piss poor job of saving face.
You don't bring facts. you bring an opinions of kind of crazy people with problematic reputation
".Nurit peled is s liar, miko peled is a liar, Richard Falk is a hamas supporter, mearshimer didn't know anything, levy is crazy, Nathan Thrall is a radical leftist, Norman Finkelstein is a communist, Noam Chomsky is a communist and Dr Hajo Meyers (a deceased holocaust survivor) is crazy, 300 holocaust survivors and there families are crazy, American Jews are kapos, Al Jazeera is biased, the UN is biased, B'Teselem is untrustworthy, Jewish voices for peace are funded by George Soros and 40 International Jewish organisations don't exist."
Ilan Pappe considered to be crook among historian community professionals. And he say openly that he use his history work to support Palestinian case. Ideologically motivated historian highly disrespectful among professional historians.
Nurit and Miko Peled liars. I welcome you to go to Israel and show their speeches to few educated Israelis and see results. I know that you don't like to deal with facts that contradict your opinion and i will keep posting them
Richard Falk . How you can refer to him after information i provided you. Even UN officials condemn him. Guy want destruction of state of Israel and say openly about this.
"According to a UN press release, then Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Itzhak Levanon[34] strongly criticized the appointment stating that Falk had written in an article that it was not "an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with the criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity," arguing that "someone who had publicly and repeatedly stated such views could not possibly be considered independent, impartial or objective".[35] According to The Jewish Daily Forward Falk actually said: "Is it an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not."[33] Levanon further stated, "He has taken part in a UN fact-finding mission which determined that suicide bombings were a valid method of 'struggle'. He has disturbingly charged Israel with 'genocidal tendencies,' and accused it of trying to achieve security through 'state terrorism'. Someone who has publicly and repeatedly stated such views cannot possibly be considered independent, impartial or objective."[36] "
How you refer to Richard Falk as objective after this
Hajo Meyers. Even Corbyn who caused of being antisemitic condemned him
Norman- Ex communist and glorifies genocidal and terrorist organisation Hezballah.
Chomsky . Glorified Chaves and Venesualla in 2009 when it was obvious to every body that Chaves is a crazy.
Al Jazira and Bazalel highly biased against Israel organisation and TV network.
300 holocaust survivors and there families considered to be crazy by millions of descendants of Holocaust survivors include myself. I know that you don't like to face facts that are inconvenient to you and i will keep posting them.
"American Jews are kapos," I never said this, but those American Jews who support destruction of Israel are kapos and glorify killling Jews in Israel are kapos.
"UN is biased" It is obvious . UN have third of the member Muslim countries. also many non Muslim countries have big Muslim minorities and they are also against Israel. UN defined Zionism as a form of Racism and latter canceled it decision after collapse of communism in Soviet Union.
I didn't know that Definition of Zionism as a form of Racism is depends on existence or non existence of communism in Soviet Union.
Former US ambassador in UN Niki Haley also said that UN is highly biased against Israel. Many other told it thousands times.
UNESCO ( part of UN)on declared that jews have no connection to temple mount and wailing wall.
Do you agree or you disagree with this declaration? And if you disagree why you believe that UN is not biased?
Jewish voices for peace are funded by George Soros
Is Soros Pumping Money into ‘A Jewish Voice for Peace’?
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/20/is-soros-pumping-money-into-a-jewish-voice-for-peace/
How things change: Later this month, the university will co-sponsor a panel on anti-Semitism that will feature, among others, Linda Sarsour, who opined that “nothing is creepier than Zionism,” praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, and believes one cannot support the right of Jews to a homeland of their own and still be a feminist. Alongside Sarsour will be Rebecca Vilkomerson, who heads the odious Jewish Voice for Peace. The group, as an ADL report aptly put it, “uses its Jewish identity to shield the anti-Israel movement from allegations of anti-Semitism and to provide the movement with a veneer of legitimacy.” Among JVP’s recent achievements are the enthusiastic support of Rasmea Odeh, a Palestinian terrorist convicted of a bombing attack on a Jerusalem supermarket that left two young students dead and who was recently deported from the United States after lying about the incident on her immigration forms. The group is also a frequent supporter, despite its allegations to the contrary, of Alison Weir, an activist robustly promoting modern-day blood libels against Jews.
You don't have creadable references.
Even article of Golan saying contradict your claims and show very high moral standard of Israeli Army.
You brought opinions of some people and presented it as a fact.
And you know inside of you that you manipulated with you references.
In today’s Israel “Honenu, an organization that provides legal services to suspected terrorists, violent settlers and gives financial support to their families, receives tax-deductible donations in both Israel and the United States. Donations to Honenu from within Israel are tax-deductible, meaning that the organization is de facto subsidized by the government” (https://972mag.com/how-israeli-taxpayers-subsidize-jewish-terror/109768/ ). Let me guess 972mag are leftist, kapo, untrustworthy, biased anti-Semites lol.
Same organisations exist among Arabs who give support to Arab terrorists who killed Jews. Bazelel is one of them.
As long as it goes with a law.
And there are many leftist organisations who are also tax deductible.
Very few Jewish suspected terorists. Very very few.
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@tasm1411 “In the world war 2 Brits, Americans, Soviets bombed schools , churches and government buildings in Germany”. Tell me when the Brits, Soviets punished the Germans with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for 12 years?
Soviets just raped 2 millions German woman.
Israel raped 0 since 1948. In war of Independence in 1948 when country and army were just created there were few cases of Israelis raping Palestinian woman. Since 1948 it is zero.Despite president of Israel being in prison for rape.
Tell me how Azerbaijan is punishing Armenia with coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival for 12 years?
Azerbaijan is in war with Armenia and doesn't allow any trade between 2 countries. They also made Armenians who lived in Azerbaijan to leave the country thru physical attacks on those Armenians. And nobody consider them as a refugees. They left in 90s and are not considered refugees by anyone.
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@tasm1411 @Leonid Shnaider “Don't you think that you reference for 94% disapproval rate is highly limited?” You want more info. You want reasons, how about discriminatory policies towards the Palestinians. In West Bank, 99.7% of Public Land Grants by Israel Go to Settlers (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/world/middleeast/west-bank-public-land-israel-palestinians.html ). “Israel uses its control over the area to quash Palestinian planning and building. In about 60% of Area C – 36% of the West Bank – Israel has blocked Palestinian development by designating large swathes of land as state land, survey land, firing zones, nature reserves and national parks; by allocating land to settlements and their regional councils” (https://www.btselem.org/planning_and_building ). “A total of 70 percent of Area C has been designated Israeli state land, with 30% being left to the Palestinians, the EU ambassador said, adding, however, that the Palestinians were not allowed to do much with their land. In 2014 only one building permit was granted to Palestinians; in 2015, none were granted. And of 2,000 applications between 2009 to 2013, only 34 building permits were granted. In contrast, Fauborg-Andersen said, Israeli construction in Area C has continued at a rate of approximately 1,500 new homes per year in recent years”. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-israel-systematically-emptying-area-c-of-palestinians/ ).
“Out of 1,426 planning applications submitted by Palestinians living in Area C between 2007 and 2010, just 106 were approved, and only 64 permits were eventually granted.” (https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-targeting-illegal-palestinian-construction-1.5163744 ). In that same period, 2007 to 2010, construction was started on 6507 settlement units (http://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-data/construction ). 64 compared to 6507. “In addition, the settlements have been allocated 43 times more “state lands” than the Palestinians. According to the military planning system, Palestinian villages in the West Bank are also meant to be twice as densely populated as Israeli cities.” (https://rhr.org.il/eng/2014/04/talking-points-injustices-in-the-west-bank-planning-system/ ). "
I don't know which part of this is true and which is not. What i do know that in Oslo Palestinians agreed to this situation by signing the agreements. Also i know that Palestinians could get in 2000 95% of West Bank back plus 5% more from Israeli territory and have their own independent state in 2000. Instead of this they started the way and got nothing. They could have Pal state in 2000. They will not going to have a state in 50 years from now. Pal never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
That could have today state on 95% of the West bank. So stupid people.
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