Comments by "Steve Valley" (@stevevalley7835) on "The Drydock - Episode 213 (Part 1)" video.
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On the question of the KGVs being built as Lions, the treaty would not have allowed it, in the same time frame. The treaty required the parties to negotiate a displacement escalator, when it was determined that a non-signatory to the treaty was building a larger ship. The US and UK did not finish those negotiations until mid 1938. so, at the very least, KGV and PoW would have been laid down a year and a half later. Being laid down in the second half of 38, neither would have been in service when Bismark attempted it's breakout. I looked up where all the other RN capital ships were on the day of the battle in Denmark Strait. If the KGVs were not yet in service, the RN would probably have kept the Nelsons close to the UK. How would they be deployed to catch Bismark? How would Denmark Strait play out with both Nelsons, or Nelson plus Hood? If the Admiralty had decided to leverage existing material on hand, to speed construction, there were actually 8 twin 15" turrets in hand: the four from Courageous and Glorious, and the four that were on the Erebus and Roberts class monitors. Laying down only two Vanguards in late 38. rather than 5 KGVs would put less of a load on industrial capacity, so might result in a faster build. but I would not bet the farm on both being in commission by May 41. If they did make it into commission by late 41, then scratch one of only two modern battleships with Force Z. A Vanguard may not have had the same vulnerability that PoW had, but the Japanese would probably have kept beating on it until it sank.
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@kemarisite as an exercise, I ran a scenario where the USN developed the 4"/50, instead of going to 5" for battleship secondaries. A twin 4" mount was developed during WWI. The mount was very light and, from the numbers I see, did not weigh any more than a single 5"/51. The guns were set very close together, so I wonder about dispersion, though information I see does not say they suffered that problem. Range was similar to the casemate mounted 5". The 5'/51 has better armor penetration, but BB secondaries are for plinking torpedo boats and DDs, which are not armored, so does the armor penetration superiority of the 5" really matter? The dual mounted 4" still had a screw breech, so no rate of fire advantage over the 5", but, with twice as many guns, the throw weight of the 4" battery is greater. So, everywhere you see a main deck mounted casemate 5" on a USN BB, imagine a twin 4" instead. Then, when aircraft become a thing, design a 4" DP mount, like the British DP Mk 19, fit a sliding breech to double the rate of fire, and maybe clip the gun down to 45 calibers in length to reduce inertia. A twin 4/45 DP mount would weigh less that the combination of 5"/51 and 5"/25 that the US BBs had in the 30s, with twice as many guns that could be used in either mode, in those same main deck locations. That would also leave the 01 deck above the twin 4" mounts open for light AA to be installed. But no, the USN went 5" The 51 cal version was too heavy to retrofit Clemsons. They probably decided the 25 cal was too short ranged to be a DP gun. If they had developed the 4" instead?
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