Comments by "Steve Valley" (@stevevalley7835) on "The Drydock - Episode 179" video.

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  4.  @gerardlabelle9626  the newspapers of the time reported there was a consensus among the delegations at the conference that 12" guns were obsolete. Of the three largest navies, the USN was the only one required to retain ships with 12" guns. France retained three 12" armed Dantons, which commissioned in 1911, and received licenses to start building replacements in 1927 and 29. The Floridas were also 12" armed, and commissioned in 1911. but the US did not receive licenses to begin construction of replacements before the 1930s, or authority to improve side armor and upgun the 12" ships, like France and Italy did. I went through the annual spreadsheets published by the Bureau of Supply and Accounts and found that, in the late 1920s, the USN spent some $6.6M modernizing the Floridas, bulges, deck armor, conversion to oil fuel, when the WNT called for them to be scrapped in 34. Washington was 80% complete when work was stopped. The $6.6M spent on the Floridas, already obsolete due to their 12" guns, was just about what was needed to complete Washington, which would have been expected to serve for 20 years. But completing Washington would give the US too many "post-Jutland" ships. I think the real issue separating "pre" from "post" was the size of the guns, not the date ships were laid down or designed. In July 1916, SecNav Daniels announced, with the General Board agreeing, that Jutland had proven the need to go to larger guns, which could penetrate at longer range. If they settled on 15" as the "post-Jutland" size, then the RN would have 13 ships in commission that would be defined as "post-Jutland", even though some of those 15" ships were at the battle, and everyone else would be demanding authority to build a compensating number of ships If they settled on 16" as the "post-Jutland" size, then the UK would need to spend the money to build three Nelsons. So, the delegates engaged in some Orwellian doublethink that said Hood was "post", to avoid spending more money on a third Nelson, while the Tennessees with their advanced torpedo protection and all-or-nothing armor scheme were "pre", so the US could complete Colorado and West Virginia, to replace the obsolete Delawares.
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