Comments by "Cole Behnke" (@colebehnke7767) on "Comparing the ideologies of Hitler, Mussolini and Mosley" video.

  1. I mean all forms of socialism require feelings of superiority over another group.
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  2. The Nazis created the biggest trade union ever, so I don’t know what your thinking about.
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  3.  @leftistadvocate9718 simple, he ran out of money, so to get enough to get elected he lied to the rich industrialists to get their support for a time. Obviously he then immediately betrayed them by suspending private property and arresting the ones who didn’t submit to his rule. The mass privatization wasn’t called privatization then because he was pulling in all these industries directly into his organization. Imagine if the Catholic Church did the same thing, selling every part of the government that wasn’t catholic to priests. No one in their right mind would call that privatization. Executing your political rivals is standard in socialist states, same with suppressing trade unions. And through the entirety of the first year of Nazis rule only 600 socialists were killed.
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  4. These oligarchs became the government, thus the state controlled the means of production.
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  5. How so?
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  6. Steal your labor how?
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  7. How is that relevant?
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  8. Your actually completely wrong, Hitler has vary strong views on how the economy should be run, as seen in his unpublished second book, but if he actually shared them he would scare away all his capitalist supporters. And immediately after taking power he began to socialize the county.
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  9.  @TricaGamer  so Mussolini wasn’t a socialist before splitting from it and forming the fascist movement?
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  10.  @TricaGamer got to love how you think Fascism is a part of capitalism when it was literally directly descendant from socialism.
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  11.  @TricaGamer  I mean Hitler was quite literally a socialist who enacted socialist policies for socialist reasons.
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  12. No it isn’t.
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  13. I’ve seen quite a few comments still accusing him of being a fascist, so I don’t really think you have a hill to stand on.
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  14. Then what is he supposed to say?
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  15. So we’re taking him at his word now?
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  16. How so?
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  17.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  I’ve never seen a capitalist fear automation before, and who said the system would not adjust? I didn’t. Not many people use alternatives because they are that much better then the companion, and they aren’t monopolies in your own confession, just sort of. If I’m objectively wrong, why aren’t Coops controlling most of the economy now? The free market quite literally doesn’t care about the business model, only that it is more efficient. We don’t see Coops controlling most of the economy, so that means capitalism has a major economic advantage in a free market.
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  18.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  the problem is automation has never done that, automation creates a short term employment crisis as the market adjusts, afterwards everyone enjoys an increased standard of living. The type of automation we are seeing today is cheep automation, where literally anyone can get their hands on it and use it to great effect. Additionally show me a monopoly that wasn’t created by the government. I don’t need to watch Vaush, the free market has already shown that Coops are less efficient then capitalist companies.
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  19.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  there is no such thing as a ideology of capitalism. Capitalism is just Marx’s name for non-democratic business.
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  20.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  but that also would include Coops, if the coops are privately owned by the workers who run them.
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  21.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  automaton would just create self employment, not worker coops. Even with automaton resources are still finite so there is always rewards to be gained from creating more efficient systems. You will never get rid of money because money is required for millions of people to work together and society still needs millions of people to work together even with automation. Inequality is a natural part of the world, and the easiest way to make people equal is to tear down the successful, not lift the poor. Also any proof that Coops are more successful and efficient?
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  22.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  how would you enforce stateless and classlessness? You can’t get rid of those and have a industrial economy, and without an industrial economy 90% of the population can’t survive. And a self employed economy is the least authoritarian. The free market doesn’t care about authoritarianism, it just turns out that authoritarian systems are much better at creating large organizations, and do to the economics of scale those organizations are fairly efficient. On the opposite side you have self employment, true freedom, but no organization. The most free but the least efficient. In between those you have joint ownership, and the more people you have owning it the more authoritarian it becomes. With two people your freedom is already 1/2 what it was before, and each person after that just takes more freedom. So when you ask a libertarian like myself if we want to make the economy based on Coops, answer is hell no, if we want freedom we will become self employed. +No I don’t think I will.
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  23.  @TricaGamer  try me.
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  24.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  firstly I’m not used the Marxist definition, the definitions made by Marx are some of the worst definitions ever made. Every socialist state uses democracy to justify its rule, they just hate liberal democracy, you know, where people have rights like property and voting. They define the state as the community, simply because any ruling body automatically becomes the state. The coops become the state the Komi they take power. If they don’t believe in using their authority as a state to force people to do things they are libertarians. Basically there are two types of socialists out there. Ones who want the state to control the means of production, and libertarians who have attraction to worker coops.
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  25.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  Let me rephrase that for you. "Social control is when society controls it. May I ask what the society is? Who makes up the society as a whole? Social is collective, owned by the community and the community is made of germens." The Nazis are just as justified in calling their ideology socialism as you are. The democratization of the workplace is not socialism and in fact fits perfectly within liberationism.
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  26.  @kapitanpufferfish5164  does social sound like workers to you? No social means social.
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  27.  @TricaGamer  but he created the ideology from reading other socialist thinkers, fascism is the most blatant off shooting of another religion that anyone would tell you it was.
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  28.  @kapitanpufferfish5164 completely wrong. Socialism is the ideology of social engineering, that humans are naturally good and it’s the society that corrupts them, and if we destroyed all of the corrupting influences then we could create a society where we all live in harmony. Marxism said the capitalist is the corrupting influence, nazism said the Jew is the corrupting influence.
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  29. How so?
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  30. I mean the USSR was imperialist, which is a large part of why it was the rival of the US.
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  31.  @mrsleep237 well socialists sure are bigots.
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  32. I mean he is also creating a community of Marxists, is he assisting them?
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  33. Not really, just read through some of the comments and you’ll see people still claiming that he is a Nazi.
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  34. You do know Hitler never coined the term privatization, it was a bunch of low ranking members of the party who suggested such an idea and who were completely ignored. It would be like a bunch of capitalists suggesting that they could create democratic workplaces.
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  35. That’s just ad hominem, pleases show where he is wrong.
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