Comments by "Richard Jones" (@EE12CSVT) on "Legion Of Men"
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Yeah, when I see senior female management consider themselves to be the 'victims of patriarchy' and that their heroic efforts are holding up the oppressive male maintenance guys who fix the leaking gutters on a salary far less than they enjoy in their comfortable offices, it makes me feel queasy. I don't get involved with people, male or female. There are very, very few men out there who don't simp, and even fewer women who don't see men as free utility. I guess I've only met one woman to date in 23 years who appreciated me as a person and not for what I could do for her free of charge, and that was in 2007, and she lived 400 miles away. I get to meet plenty of women, but it's all the same. You're there to be used, and if you're happy with that or blind to it, you can date quite easily. Most men seem to be happy to be happy in one-sided relationships with their kweens. I look at the women around me and wonder what it is I'm supposed to like about them apart from seeing some holes, an ass, and t1ts.
There is one woman who's still trying to get with me and tells me why she likes me and wants me. She's married, and I know the guy well. Go figure.
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I'm in the UK and even at 5ft 8in at 52 I get attention from women. I'm in great physical shape for my age, jacked, I dress well, I now have a thick head of hair after I grrew it out. I'm very confident around people and dominant - I have to be, professionally - and I immediately command respect from men and from significant people in society. Women, though, leave me alone when they get to know me, because I'm not an Ohmygod emoshunul feminine guy, You OK Huns, who talks to women as women talk to each other. Women here get OBSESSED with men like tbat, and they're the men they date. I know several other masculine men and none of us date. Dating is pretty much exclusively done by men who women can control, use, and emasculate, and ideally they're at least slightly feminine and submissive to the dominant ones.
Decades ago, women adored masculine men, and my dating dynamic was like 007 and Vesper Lynd in that train carriage in Casino Royale. You never see that here any more. The 'men' are fidgety, they have poor posture, zero presence.
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It doesn't make any difference if you're rich, ambitious, have a great career, tall, handsome, in great shape, well socialised, well travelled, great with kids, you've still no chance of meeting a woman who doesn't take, take, take. Sure, the more you improve yourself, the more interest you get, but they still use.
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I know a few successful businessmen bachelors. No matter how tall, handsome, well dressed, well groomed, how smart a car you've got, how well travelled you are, how much you socialise and are seen to, how well you get on with your relatives' children, how much your smile lights up the room, how much people like you, you still will only meet women who take, take, take. So they've given up. On paper, they're everything women need to settle down with and raise a stable family with, and he has kids to bring up in the family business. But nope, if those men can't be used or manipulated, she has no use for him.
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Yes, this guy likely has either significant past trauma, resulting in C-PTSD, or he's very high on the autism scale and is very likely to have had a very sheltered upbringing. But I guess it's fun to make fun of him for how he was treated by his parents. He's as he is because he likely wasn't given the opportunities that most others take for granted.
This guy could easily improve his fitness and physique in the gym, as I have done over the past four years. But it doesn't do anything for my warmth for the rest of the human race, so I isolate myself more and more purely to minimise my nausea from dealing with people because of the insincerity and torrents of BS. He'll have a hell of a shock when it comes to dealing with women because of the level of insincerity and downright evil codes of conduct that both men and women operate by. I have very, very few male friends because of the amount of BS they try to push on me, and they're not impressed I don't believe in their conspiracy theories like flat earth or chemtrails or whatever. I also find that a lot of men – typically the blue pilled ones – are still children. I also found that if you socialise, you're with men who have been completely ground down by their female partners, and if you're in a mixed social group, it's even worse because of women's boss babe attitudes and men's reluctance to call them out or stand up to them. So it's rather like a large marriage with multiple wives around you and multiple crushed husbands. And you're the only uncrushed man of the lot.
The other problem I have regarding socialising is that unlike the senior or retired academics I sometimes socialise with, I have pretty much nothing in common with people. I haven't had the same life, and I certainly don't have the same interests. Men assume I have an interest in sport or soccer – I don't. They assume I have an interest in cars – very little – or movies, TV, that sort of thing. I don't watch TV. What I do is read a great deal on history, politics, theories of mind, and I like to go hiking. I also don't have an interest in women, and all these men are blue pilled. So there's nothing for the majority of men to find they have in common with me. It's different with my academic friends because of their depth and breadth of knowledge and how they're able to find relationships across the different topics. I learn from them, and their perspective, as they do from me. They also feel shame, and not just in being ignorant on topics. Shame is something that's been lost in the West, and we see complete hedonism being pushed as the standard to aspire to, and people feel no shame about lying, having no integrity, or being an ignorant dumb idiot. Hence the nausea.
This guy has swallowed the Disney blue pill so he's in for a rude awakening regarding what women really are like, and men for that matter. It'll be brutal, but if he wants to get his end away, he needs to hit the gym and look like a lean stud, and just treat women as fleshlights on legs. His chances of finding a sincere woman who'll love him as he thinks women love men are virtually zero.
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@shanecle Sure, he'll get more attention, but it won't be any good. I know tall, handsome, very successful men, full head of hair, drive expensive cars, they travel, socialise, they're well liked, they're great with their relatives, great with nephews and nieces. They're single. They don't date and have never married. For all the attention they get, they can't find a woman to date who doesn't take, take, take, emasculates, and controls.
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It's just as well I've never been a nice guy. When I used to bother with women, back in the 90s, I had a lot of choice of very beautiful, fit women who treated me well, and I wasn't an A-hole to them, nor did I pedestalise them. Something changed after 2000. Professionally, I have to be dominant, assertive, have charisma and confidence, know how to charm significantly important people. That carries over well to my relationship with men. The sad thing is that women see that professional charm, intelligence and competence - which works extremely well in the high-level relationship building I've done - as an indication they can use me as they think it means I'll be her simp and that I have no boundaries, and that she can play games. The end result is that I've walked away from every woman I've met since 2007, so when you meet countless women who all behave that way, you lose all interest. In the 90s, that assertiveness, charm, competence, and Intelligence had women hanging around me and treating me extremely well, and they got treated well in return because they earned it.
Ive lost count of the women who've admitted to me they love the bad boys in 'trackie bottoms' and expensive Nikes. They're a dead loss.
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I'm 52, never married, don't date, though I meet plenty of women IRL. I'm well respected in my field by my peers who are authors, academics, researchers, and so on. I'm an experienced public speaker, I get asked to deputise for our CEO at drinks events and awards ceremonies to build relationships with other attendees who are in our sector. I get instant respect from pretty much every man I meet. I'm dominant.
Women see all this. They learn very quickly that they can't control, use, or emasculate, and that's when they lose interest. I'm also not femimine and dont talk to them as women do with tbat Ohmigod emosh - women get obsessed with femimine 'men' like that. From being around women all the time, I realise that dating is completely pointless unless by a miracle I met a woman who was turned on by masculinity and didn't expect to CUE me.
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@OriginalTodzilla I agree with you. I'm 51, and after hitting the gym over the past 4 years I'm in great physical shape, I dress well, I'm well groomed, I'm an experienced public speaker, I've done PR marketing event work to build relationships with authors, publishers, politicians, so that sort of people interaction is easy. I used to get lots of women in the 90s, but that was when they were actually decent human beings who didn't play games. It's bren 24 years since I last met one i could take seriously. Bo is very blue pilled in this video. He seems to think there are plenty of decent women out there to meet. Women come on to me, they even ask me out, but the games and manipulation are there from the start.
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It's the same in the UK, but I wouldn't say it's because they feel safer, it's because she can control the feminine man, who'll give her a free pass. He also gives her the female emotions she wants. Something I learned the hard way was that women expect men to relate to them as woman to woman, and if a guy does that to her, all emosh, he's in. I've seen Chads relate to women in a woman's manner.
Women initially see my dominance and masculinity and are attracted to it. They assume they can emasculate me as they have done all their other men, but I don't allow it. When she discovers this, she's off.
I have to be dpminant as part of my work, and I'm successful at it. I also find that even at 5ft 8in, I'm more dominant than most men out there, including much larger ones. It amused me 5 years ago to learn just how easily dominated most men were, and how little presence they had. But they're the men women date.
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@HollAnna They sure do. I know a few very successful businessmen or men in very good csreers, in their 40s. They're about the same - tall, handsome, well dressed, well groomed, they socialise, great with kids, they're all the things. None of them date. They can't find a woman who doesn't take, take, take. Once women discover they can't use them, can't manipulate, can't emasculate, they run away. The only thing "wrong" with them is what's "wrong" with me - they have a backbone and women hate it.
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@kingrubbatiti1285 @Kizz217 I've seen it too often over the past 30 years for it to be a coincidence. When I was at university in the early 90s, I had a friend I'll call Dave. He was somewhere between Larry Grayson and Dylan Mulvaney. He'd flip his head quickly, flip his fingers down in speech, sit with his legs tightly crossed, he'd talk with that gay lisp, talk like a woman does, and though he was tall he had as much meat on him as a butcher's pencil. I'd had a couple of dates with a girl - it didn't go anywhere. Then she met him, and it was love at first sight for her. They very much had a physical relationship as they were over each other in public, and he'd still be this gay man in public with her, so it wasn't an act. I don't recall them splitting up. I can think of many other examples of soft, effeminate, weedy men having loads of dates with fit young women.
The trend I've noticed over the years since is that the men who talk to women as a woman does, with feminine emotions, feminine energy, patterns of speech and so on - and men who very much aren't stoic - are the men that women get besotted over.
I used to know an older divorced guy who had the masculinity and leasership of a 9 y/o boy - I had to spend all day with him in London once, and it felt like I was dragging around an indecisive, whiny small boy. On twitter, he'd be Sir Simpalot around the younger women in our group, constantly white knight for them, and constantly be their free court jester. Despite/because of this, he was never short of dates in his home area (we had a mutual friend) and had a striing of girlfriends. He married one. I declined the invite for the wedding as it would be a farce of a marriage.
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Same experience from the gyms I've used. I see the same guys, and get to know them superficially. The outgoing men who do little but talk with anyone and everyone are very feminine even if they're straight. Being very social like Bo seems to advocate is a feminine trait and the men who women in social settings hang around are very feminine in how they talk to peoole, not just women. They talk to me in the same female way, with the same female emotions and how they switch from one emotion to another. If I didn't know it was a hetero man, I could swear I was talking to a woman.
I also see it's generally gay men who socialise a lot like at people's gardens, or these feminine men, or it's a family gathering of some kind. Men just don't get together like that unless they're working on a car project, or they're railway engineers, or are building a model railway. Men get together to do something with each other by getting their hands dirty together, not stand around chatting with a drink. I'm happier giving a friend a hand with his car and chatting with him than standing still with just a beer. The masculine men prefer to be working on their hobbies, or working out. I prefer to go swimming or on a long hike.
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@16:30 agreed, as men we're made to have stable monogamous family relationships where the man has equal input into raising his children over a lengthy period of time in the one same family unit, one which he provides for and protects, and with a wife who'll follow his lead and will be loyal and a positive force in his life. That's the desire most men have, I'd say, and it was the norm for such a long period of time. Today, it's unobtainium unless you're really, really lucky to hit the jackpot. This has always been my dream, but after decades of experience, and after decades of watching other men get completely crushed by women who think they could've done better and regret having to have settled for the poor sap they married, I realised it just wasn't going to happen. I guess I could've got a woman pregnant after seeing her casually, and as far as I'm aware I have no chlidren running around as I wasn't always careful, but the white picket fence you describe that men would kill for, with a wife the man is certain wouldn't divorce him or crush him through psychological torture, is today a myth.
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They are, and sadly Bo just enables it all. He's giving men the message that they have to tolerate all this crap, play these stupid games, pander to these wretched train wreck women. Because, guess what, in the past, dating was fun, light, carefree, enjoyable. Now, your cortisol levels are through the roof because apparently we have to 'handle' women we should be running away from faster than Usain Bolt.
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Correct. The trouble is, being masculine, having a solid ftame, having boundaries and not afraid of enforcing them drives women away. Sure, it's initially attractive because they see you as confident, competent, dominant, but they assume they're going to be able to break it and that you'll let them. Once they discover that you don't, they lose interest very quickly. I'm lucky that I have three female friends who respect my masculinity and don't expect me to be feminine around them or that I'll be feminised. One of these women is very much on my case and falls into line if I disagree with her on something I want to do. The other two are more distant but didn't try to feminise me or expect me to relate to them as a woman does.
Other women I know are acquaintances because they didn't like that I wasn't going to be feminine around them. I've met ao many women who I've initially attracted who then drifted off fairly soon because they too recognised I don't simp, pedestalise, nor do I emasculate, nor do I give them feminine emotional energy as I talk to them. But what I notice is that plenty of men talk to women (sometines the same ones I've driven away) in that feminine way, as women do, and with that emotion, and women love it. As other guys have said in the comments here, women want feminised men, or men who talk to them as women do. It's very, very rare to find a woman who hangs around you over time and respects your masculinity and doesn't expect you to be feminine. It's a great feeling when you've got a woman like that around you, who knows what masculinity is, will automatically follow your lead, and doesn't see the need to challenge your frame.
As far as hanging around with men, the vast majority have been feminised, including the tall, well built men. I've found for several years that it's very eaay to be the most dominant guy in nearly every situation, or to take over as that guy, that men automatically give me respect, or if I meet someone else on my level, we give each other a head nod of recognition and we won't challenge each other. But there's only one guy in my area who I talk to regularly and I don't regard him as being a feminised man, and he knows it, because he sees the legions of feminised men around him as I do around me. We're the odd ones out, and why we get on. It's sad.
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Same in UK. A few friends of mine are bachelors, and they socialise a lot in a big town. They've given up on women because they can't find any who take, take, take. It doesn't matter how rich and successful you are, how tall, handsome, well dressed, well groomed, well travelled, well socialised, how good you are with children, it means nothing. You still get used.
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I lost nearly 40kg in weight in around a year in my late 40s and now at 50 I'm pretty jacked, and visible muscular with great tone. It's brought me a lot of respect from men for having done it, but no enjoyment of people's company because I can see the web of manipulation and identify when people try to BS me as they successfully do other people. The people I do enjoy spending time with are very senior or retired academics, purely because they're honest and don't try any of these insincere tricks with each other, nor with me, and they have excellent morals. But they're the exceptions in life, sadly, and they only tend to mix among their own as well for the same reasons – they isolate themselves from the cesspit that is human nature. If people didn't attempt to manipulate me or others, didn't attempt to BS me, had integrity and honour, and could speak by being able to string together a coherent sentence, and the men hadn't been crushed by their wives because they had a backbone, then yes, I'd probably enjoy socialising. But I've tried many times over the decades and give up because the nausea becomes overwhelming after a while. It just doesn't improve my life.
Getting jacked also has turned out to be a curse regarding women because of the attention it brings. It's unpleasant, because of their conduct, and I have to spend effort to eject them from my life.
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5ft 8in, 51 y/o, 185 lb, no idea about BF but I've excellent muscle definition, flat stomach, V taper, a chiselled back and shoulders, belt of adonis coming along nicely, broad chest and shoulders, so I'm going the way of Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.
Most of the attentiom I get is from much younger married women. They treat me well. Single women like the eye candy but don't stop playing games. The other group of women who are good to me and lay out the red carpet are in their late teens/early 20s. Very attentive.
Fit men in their mid to late 20s also come on to me, but that's another story.
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When I bothered to have relationships or affairs way back in the mists of time, I didn't mind having control over most of what went on. I'd never close off the woman completely, but she understood her role was for me to provide that masculine leadership for most of the time and in most circumstances. It didn't burden me to do it, and I didn't regard her as a passive object that was dragging around. I could trust her to be capable and competent on aspects of her life, but when she was with me, she trusted me to be able to make the decisions and the leadership. It was the same in various jobs I'd had at the time, and since, where my bosses would have to delegate responsibility to me and they'd allow me to have a huge amount of agency to Get Things Done, which I did. And I'd have various staff under me whom I'd delegate tasks to or they were others who knew they had to do whatever I told them.
But these days, women flag out refuse to allow the man to lead. I can only think of three marriages of couples under 60 where the man leads. In all the others, he's that passive guy she's dragging around, not because he doesn't or didn't know how to, it's because the woman flat out refuses to relinquish any power, as it means patriarchal oppression, she's his slave etc etc.
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Thinking back to my relatives here in rural UK, my uncles would be something like a caretaker, forestry man, water engineer, drive a road sweeper, that sort of thing. They might live in a modest house in a small town or in the countryside. The wife would be a SAHM, stay at home all the time to raise them, then send the kids to school (they might walk in those days), then if she had a job, she'd work in a newsagent or small shop. She'd leave ready to meet the kids from school if not walk to meet them. Same with the other families they knew. She'd then prepare the meals, and do the cleaning and laundry. He'd get home sometime before 6 to a hot meal. Those were solid marriages with no divorces or infidelity.
Today, she's expected to hold down a full time job on top of trying to get young kids to school, picking them up, and if they get ill, she has to take time off. I've worked with married women who struggle to do all this and they have to call in all sorts of favours from their parents or even neighbours to help out. It's a mess they have to spend so much energy managing.
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Self employment? Ha, around here unless you're an electrician or plumber, it's not well paid. Very little demand for carpenters. Some demand for agricultural contractors, but again not well paid. Most of the self employed jobs in my region are at the bottom end, because there aren't numerous employers here other than the public sector. Hence why it's most people's dream to get a job in the council as it's secure, comparatively well paid, and has a pension scheme. The private sector is much smaller in comparison and pays less on average than the public sector. Wages here are something like 80% of the UK average. In other parts of the UK the salaries are even lower. Thus most of the self employed are scrabbling around in the dirt to find something to pay the colossal bills here, even if it works out less than minimum wage after many years. What you describe as people sat with cameras and laptops for their self employed job would be laughable here. The economy here is mostly poor people trying to exchange money with other poor people for low skilled basic tasks as that's all the economy will support. What is flourishing is self employed parcel delivery drivers, using their own battered cars, working 14 hours a day for sh1t pay, with no guaranteed hours. 'Follow your passion' is great in an expanding economy in an area where people and companies have money to spend. SMEs are slashing expenditure, if not going bankrupt. Business confidence - by various metrics - is plummeting. I guess a growth industry will be debt recovery agents.
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Your confidence, your inability to be thrown off course by any person or life's events. Women must exist within a man's frame of reference. Think of it as containment. She will test it to see how strong you are, to see if she can destroy your confidence. No, they shouldn't, but they do. And hardly any men in marriages/LTRs have a strong frame that their woman hasn't shattered. Contrary to what Bo says, women don't like men with a strong frame. They're repelled by it. Once they see a humorous, confident, outgoing, dominant guy, that'll attract her, and the tests begin. When she realises that nothing she does throws him off course, doesn't make him psychologically weaker and thus able to be controlled or used by her, she's off to find a guy whose frame she can break. Men test each other's frame, and they need to. That's how it's strengthened. I only know of three men with a strong frame that their wives haven't demolished. Three. All the other men have been crushed by their wives or girlfriends.
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From 2020 to 2022 I had people shouting and screaming at me, or being utter c-u-n-t-s because I did wear a mask, was out on anti lockdown marches, openly criticised the policies, openly criticised and called out medics hypocrisy and lies, and campaigned against the vaxx mandates, and loudly announced I'm unvaxxed. Then they slowly turned round and acted warmly towards me as though they didn't say any of what they'd said. That includes relatives. None of them have said why they feel they don't need to care about not social distancing, not wearing masks, not caring that I'm unvaxxed. It's as if they're assumig I've forgotten their hysteria.
I have an old 'friend' who in November 2020 invited me to a pub for an evening drink. This was when pubs had those flimsy plastic tents so people could sit outside to avoid spreading the pLaGuE but people could still sit inside if they wished. It was a cold, wet and windy night. I said we'd sit inside in the dry and warm. He refused - it was outside in a draughty tent exposed to the gale and rain coming in through the entrance, or not at all. Fair enough. I didn't go. We haven't met up since. Naturally, he Obeyed everything to the letter, is vaxxed and boosted and made sure his teenage children also are. They were constantly ill with the Coof despite/because of the vaxx. I was untouched by it. His mother was off the wall paranoid over the Coof.
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A few years ago, I got into a very interesting mixed group for anti lockdown campaigning. Most of the women were 30s or early 40s and single. Two men were prominent with me. One was mid 30s, engaged, and a Chadsimp. The other was a few years older than me, dicorced. He was Sir Simpalot, and would simp after and white knight/pedestalise the women in our group and any others he met. He had a string of girlfriends who'd dump him after a few months, but he'd then get another very rapidly. Rinse and repeat. He married 2 years ago. From how the women reacted, it was plain to see that they loved how he treated them. They assumed I'd be the same, but I wasn't. That drove several away.
I had to spend a day with Sir Simpalot in a city, and though he's older, divorced, and with grown up kids, it felt as though I was leading a small boy around the place. Both he and Chadsimp couldn't understand why I was single, didn't date. Both tried to urge me to simp as they did. I haven't done much with either since. I turned down Sir Simpalot's wedding invite as I couldn't stomach being around him.
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I'm not tall, and I'm middle aged, but I've now got a good physique for my age. It gets attention. However, I'm not the 'Jack the lad' that Bo seems to think men need to be. I'm not soft spoken, but I'm well-spoken. I'm a historian linked to academia and therefore my peers are researchers, archivists, retired professors and so on. Before the coove disrupted holiday patterns, I used to socialise with a group of senior academics, lecturers and heads of university departments. To get accepted into groups of people like that and be able to develop and maintain relationships, you need to speak the same as they do. As I've done for decades because of who I've mixed with in the past. Those were also the women I used to date in the past, the women who spoke in the same way and dressed accordingly, as well brought-up ladies, not 304s who end up passed out in the gutter at 2am.
Sadly, women today have no idea what to do with me because of my polite and well-considered speech. Speaking like that and having the charisma and confidence that goes with it opens doors for me to speak with CEOs and politicians, for example, but for the vast majority of women, it's lost on them. Bo would have me down as socially awkward because I don't drink p1ssy lager out of the bottle, because I don't play pool, I don't go out with 'the lads'. I'll have a beer in a glass, but prefer a decent cognac
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33:00 improve your body - oh yeah, that's a great help. Not. After over 4 years work in the gym, I've got a damn good physique for my age, and one married woman has tried to get her hands on it. Sure, it's exposed me to more women, but I wish it hadn't. I wish I was invisible, because the only women out there to meet are manipulative 304s who think they can use me. Same with other fit men I know. No matter how much you improve yourself, you'll only meet women who take, take, take (their words, and they're rich, tall, intelligent, handsome, well-dressed and well-groomed, well-socialised, highly social successful businessmen in great shape). Improving yourself doesn't magic decent women out of thin air. It just makes you a bigger target for more women to notice you and then attempt to use.
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32:00 Yup, Bo is in white pill normieland. Nearly all the men around me are blue pilled. Some of them try to get me to simp and worship worhsip women as they do, to be the simp servant. I don't know anyone who understands female nature for what it is. I'm a hermit because I've pretty much nothing in common with people, so topics of conversation are pretty much nil. My own interests, such as classical music, reading, hiking and so on are very far from nearly everyone else's life. Before the coove I used to know a group of retired academics I used to get invited over and sit down and chew the fat with, but several have died, and the most of the rest are getting quite old. Men can't relate because I have no interest in sport. I'm a historian and researcher, so pretty much none can relate to my academic life. I can't relate to their careers in business. After trying to socialise over the decades with the normies who get their opinions from MSM, I've found i think very differently. I identify very heavily with Prof Matt Goodwin, and he's someone I could have lengthy chats with. But when trying to listen to the normies with their NPC views of the world, either I interject and spend 10 minutes correcting them on where they're wrong and how and why all the downstream assumptions they make are wrong, or just sit there mute to avoid upsetting everyone. The alternative is that I lie to myself and pretend to agree with what I know to have a far greater depth than their shallow or incorrect understanding.
It's impossible to find people to be around with whom I don't need to lie in order to fit in. Hence no phone calls, and only a few DMs from three women who know me very well and understand all this. Having a wide social circle is only possible if you're willing to numb your brain to the diarrhoea they come out with and to lie to them and yourself about who you are and what you stand for.
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My father was in the house the entire time, but apart from teaching me how to change the oil on a car, or the spark plugs, or the tyres, or the fuses in a plug, etc etc etc he taught me nothing about masculinity and people. But then the guy had been completely cucked by my covert narcissist mother. Heck, they partly raised me as a girl because they were pretty twisted. There are other things I won't mention in public. I had to learn the male things myself from scratch from my early 20s, and only started learning a lot of things after I turned 46.
I witnessed much the same thing in another family, and I've heard about it in other families where the parents neglected and isolated the child/children. The other family was that of an ex of mine in the 90s. She was still at home with her parents and with her younger 18 y/o brother but she and I were going to be moving in together. The father was completely cucked by the covert narc mother, and he wouldn't stand up for either child when the mother humiliated either of them for lolz. She was a sadist. He sat there and watched it take place and not raise a word to stop her from disrespecting his children. The brother hadn't been taught much at all by his father, except to minimise himself and never stand up for himself.
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Here in the UK at least, there are 3 types of men who date. 6ft 6in Chad Thunderstroke who has or can have a string of obedient, hot, young women. The older, very rich sugar daddy who throws money at them for an expensive lifestyle and doesn't care about it, in return for them getting their legs open. Or the feminine simps, even if they think they're 'masculine'. They aren't. These 'men' have to give unlimited free time, energy, and attention, and especially female energy. He's got to talk to her as a woman does, be emosh as a woman is, so when you hear men talk about needing to give a woman 'energy' it means being a woman with her. They don't respond to masculine energy or stoicism unless he's 6ft 6in Chad Thunderstroke. If a woman discovers ahe can't control, use and emasculate a normie guy, the attraction vanishes.
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Only a tiny number of people are real around each other - fakeness is the overwhelming currency, as is communal narcissism to maintain or elevate one's place in the hierarchy. The whole thing makes me sick. Because I'm now a decent size, I get respected automatically. I have a big presence, I'm very charming, an experienced public speaker, I have to cold approach VIPs at trade events I get sent to in order to network. Confidence isn't a problem. People beijg narcissistic selfish pricks is. Thankfully, they don't cause me problems, as most see I'm not worth trying to con - I'm a lot like Ron Swanson.
There's some younger guys I know from the gyms in town and see them around town - they're great to talk to because at that higher level of build, fitness, dominance and testosterone, they don't tolerate fake either, and neither are they fake. It's the lower men who are the yappy dogs and more likely to act like whiney women, and that's who they socialise with. But all men my age have long since been crushed and betatised by their wives.
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Ha, it's not fear or cowardice, it's repulsion and understanding that I'm always in a losing situation because she's incapable of compromise or sacrifice. I get attention from women, but when they hang around me, it's like lying in a bath full of slugs, because of their behaviour, attitude, and out of control neuroticism. They're so grim that even their husbands tell me that their women do their head in. Yes, I know, I can see, she's a train wreck.
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15:00 'keep grinding, keep improving, more hobbies, become more interesting' - and that's on top of working an 80 hour week, plus at least an hour in the gym a day, plus working on a side hustle, plus being a father involved with your children. That's simping. Sure, improve yourself at the pace you would do if you were single but don't do it to keep a woman around. It's just feeding her entitlement. Relationships are, you know, actually pretty boring in the long run. It's not the constant chasing of the new, the dopamine hits. Only a child thinks that. If a man or woman in a relationship can't put up with the ordinariness of a LTR, they shouldn't be in it as they've not grown up. And yes, you can keep things going in the bedroom but the deep bond that develops between two healthy people over time begins to overtake the in and out.
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I concluded a while ago that the vast majority of XX can't be regarded as sentient, that is have a continuous or joined up consciousness. I view them as having siloed experiences, some parts of which leak out into others, but don't enough to form a coherent over-arching consciousness as it does in men. This explains the solipsism, among many other things. Ive been doing research on autism, theory of mind, consciousness, and Intelligence for over 20 years, so construct models for behaviour. That's my model for women. I have a feeling that our ancestors going back to cave man and tribe days figured this out but in their own language, hence put severe restrictions on women.
The problem is, how do you date someone with a discontinuous consciousness, when what you see take place in front of you is this siloed behaviourr of what looks like a form of artificial consciousness?
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I'm in history, so I don't do anything useful like you do. Because I go to the gym, there's always plenty of men to get to know, and also in this small town. Same when I joined social grouos. But it's always the same. Soccer, soccer, soccer, cars, sport, sport, family, family, kitchen renovation, schools, drinking, soccer, investments, smashing it in the office, women, sport, and so on. All pretty much irrelevant to me.
Before C19 came along, a group of mostly elderly academics used to come up a few times a year to stay at the holiday cottage just down the road from the estate office. I'd get a call and I'd go down for tea and home made cake, and we'd have a lengthy chat. It was wonderful. It was also partly work as it helped to maintain the relationships as they were also clients, and a large part of my job was to develop friendships with academics, authors, musicians, and sometimes I'd then get private invites to lunch with them. I'd sometimes also cover private events in place of my CEO where I'd have to meet politicians as well as authors, publishers, etc. But I don't go out to bars with "the men" because of what I described.
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My summary of what these wimmin vomited out of their mouth-hole:
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It was human static. White noise. I could have a more thorough, entertaining, and constructive conversation with an AI Chatbot than with these. And I doubt these chicks would ever pass a Turing Test.
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In terms of presence, posture, confident swagger, energy, etc, I'm much more imposing in a room than much taller men than me, but because I'm 5ft 8in on paper, none of that means anything. But anyone who sees me in person among other people, especially among men, they easily notice how dominant I am, because I have to be because of who I mix with in different areas of my life.
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I'm 51 in great physical condition. I have professional status and am respected by my high profile peer group. I'm also now a regional organiser for a national politics group and will be expected to rub shoulders with a different group of high profile people from the events I organise and attend. All this comes across in how I carry myself. I sometimes get to meet women in my every day life, but every time, they expect to be able to use and manipulate me.
Rich, successful, tall, handsome, businessmen bachelors friends of mine, who are well dressed, groomed, socialised etc etc find exactly the same problem and from being exposed to more women than I am. They don't date. They can't find a woman who doesn't take, take, take.
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Nearly 50, been pretty much isolated my entire life after my parents deliberately isolated me from other children while I grew up. My main source of contact with humanity was books.
I'd been forced to socialise over the decades, but hated it. The older I got, the less I had in common with others. No siblings, no contact with relatives, no children. I know a few locally but rarely see them or talk to them. TBH I feel no desire. Yes, I've tried doing common hobbies with people, but I feel nothing. I'm typically alone in these groups while everyone else talks to each other. So I give up, and I then stop bothering looking for groups to join. There's just no enjoyment.
My passions are reading and hiking. Do I know anyone I could take hiking with me, able to sleep out on a mountain at short notice like I did last week? No. The books I read aren't newly published, and aren't fiction. They're all very obscure and published decades ago, about philosophy, psychoanalysis, history, politics, AI, engineering. They're all big chunks of intellectual red meat. Nothing comes close to that joy.
I don't mind being around people, it's just that I've nothing in common. A friend tried to twist my arm to join him in a Zoon evening chat with drinks with mates of his, like a virtual pub, but I saw no point. I have no interest in sport, no interest in woman, I've never married, no children, I was a carer for my parents for many years, I have little interest in cars, and never travelled. In short, I don't have any of the traditional things in common with men, which is why when men try to strike up conversation at the gym to make friends, they find there's nothing there that I can reciprocate with. I find nothing in them I can relate to.
Various women I've got to know over the past couple of years respond with anything from curiosity to shock to surprise that I do everything alone, go everywhere alone, don't celebrate my birthday, spend every Christmas alone. They can't wrap their heads around the completely isolated way I live, and I can't understand why anybody wouldn't want to live that way.
Creating a social circle just doesn't work. I've lost count of the groups I've joined and ultimately left without getting to know anyone and not hearing from anyone since. It just doesn't work as a method to make friends. I don't feel sad about it, probably because it's almost impossible for me to feel much for people except indifference. I live for art, culture, music, hiking, exploring, and reading. I have to keep my mind stimulated, but people just get in the way.
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I'm 51, never married, never had an LTR though I've had some nice affairs. I have some basic rules for a healrhy relationship:
I don't simp, white knight, or pedestalise
I only give them as much energy and attention as I see them give me or work out they ever will - I expect them to reciprocate
They can't emasculate me, or use, control, or manipulate
I don't tolerate drama or disrespect
I don't tolerate their crap tests - see emasculation above
I expect accountability and responsibility, and clear, honest communication
These are very basic things all adults should be capable of. Over the past 24 years, no woman I've met has come close.
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25:30 onwards, yes, Bo is correct about what frame is and how to get it. But, he's wrong IME and observation when he says women want that in a man. They don't. It's a turn off. Men test me. They fail, and that way I get their respect. I get the respect of the bigger, younger Chad bodybuilders at the gym and I have a good relationship with them. I'm dominant around people and in situations. I charm people very, very easily, to build a rapport and in the service sector, they're very helpful towards me because of how easily I've buipt and maintained thosd relationships from a position of authority, presence and so on. A few years ago I started talking with a local businessman who out of the blue said that I was the new CEO who'd just been appointed at the place we were discussing. I had to let him down and say I wasn't. He assumed that from my presence, confidence, charisma, erudition, dress, grooming, etc etc. To me, that's effortless. Same happens online. I've just been appointed volunteer regional organiser for a national politics group I'm in, and I guess my current 'patch' is some 3000 sq miles. I've much to organise for it. I suppose my background in public speaking and as a tour guide has a lot to do with it.
But, but, but, women see all this. I see that they test me. I pass the sh1t tests by Bo's définition. I don't really notice they take place much of the time, but what I notice is that it causes women to lose interest. All this must intimidate them. They figure out that because in their eyes I've failed (ie I don't crumble) they can't manipulate, use, or control. Therefore I'm no use to her. This has been every woman I've met over the past 24 years except for two.
So yes, you need to 'pass' the tests from a masculine perspective, but from a woman's POV, it means you fail. She wants the weak man who's on her chain, who's her slave, who'll never speak up against her. That's the vast majority of marriages I know. They've passed the woman's test but utterly failed it from Bo's point of view. Women don't want men.
If you want a woman, you've got to show that you're a pushover, that you'll grovel at her feet, that you're her free simp servant. I turned down a wedding invite from one such man.
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@boriscovidscamson2911 In men under, say, 70, in marriages/LTR, I can only think of 2 who haven't been completely crushed by the wife, where he's a shell of his former self, or he has to ask permission to spend his own money, as the primary wage earner, and he's very well off. It used to be 3 men, but I now see that one of them is getting betatised by concessions, and I thought he'd successfully trained his wife. Women despise masculinity. The only tolerate it in 6ft 6in Chad Thunderstroke, and immensely rich sugar daddies they might date. Ideally, they'd be soft, feminine pushovers.
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Same here. I noticed that I was getting shafted and criticised by my fellow human for working so hard to oppose lockdown, masks, and the mandates. I stated at the time that I'd be vindicated. I have been. Before it all kicked off, I was enjoying being a public speaker, tour guide, front of house, doing sales work at privatr events on behalf of my CEO. But the new one then demanded to know my vaxx status, along with everyone else. I knew how the law stood, so refused, and pointed this out to him. He wouldn't back down, so I got removed from all positions where I'd meet external visitors. He couldn't stop me if I was visitor myself, but he could if I was staff they were meeting. Since then I lost all respect and goodwill for society.
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Noooo, socialising is a feminine and effeminate gay man trait. To 'fit in' in group settings - especially mixed - you need to lie and manipulate as women do. The men who enjoyed socialising like that when I did it were feminine, and a few were gay. The masculine men hated it and you'd pretty much never see them again. Hanging around with feminine men - without women around - is hard work. Male dominated groups, with masculine men in them, and only a few women who don't sesk to feminise and emasculate them, are much, much better, but very difficult to find. Which is why men prefer to be alone if they can't find such a circle nearby. Men are expected to have set interests, like following sport, and apparently if he doesn't, he's not considered to be a 'man'. Grow up.
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Same here, especially in a very small town. The only way they could inprove it is to drain my balls on a regular basis, but that's dealt with on temporary arrangements. I mean, as someone who's going to be planning events for invited guests, I'd love to have a sane, presentable woman I can send out in the crowd to meet and greet, get to know the women, do a bit of mild and personal PR, report back to me, but nope, not a chance in anyone under 55 or so.
I'm not going toxic to get them or attract them to date, but as I've worked towards more status in different areas of my life, I have less and less time for people's BS, men included. Though I'm not a CEO, Im still expected to come across as one as far as leadership, presence, decision making, and so on are concerned. Sure, it attracts them, but they're the gas station variety. The others are married women, and they're very persistent. I've one who mothers me and won't leave me alone, but we're not having an affair. There are several other orbiters, and I know what would happen if I met them in a bar, because I know what happens when I'm in a bar where women are present.
The prospect of having a kid with any of these modern women has filled me wirh dread over the past 20 years or so.
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In March 2020 I got in with a mixed group of people on twitter. They were all highly intelligent and most worked in professional fields. There were 2 guys from the same city, one mid 30s, a DJ among other things, and engaged. He was quite a Chad. The other was a divorced older guy, 2 grown up kids, and I'd now say mid 50s. About my height, though somewhat fatter. I'll call him Tim. Both men knew each other and were great friends.
I met up with Tim in the summer, but noticed something was off. I noticed he'd pay a lot of attention to one of the women in our twitter group, and on that day he wanted to take a shot of us both to send to her. But I then noticed that he'd come up with a joke and post it at midday, every day, and even admitted it was to get laughs out of the women in our group. More, he'd simp after and pedestalise them.
The three of us - Chad, Tim and me - went down to London one day. Tim drove, though he was a terrified driver. Chad went his own way when he met up with friends. We met up with others from our twitter group, one of them being one of the younger women he was simping after. It was pure cringe.
I then had to kill time in the city with him, and it was like dragging around a small boy, though a 9 y/o boy would have more testosterone in his veins than Tim had.
After he droveme back to my car 200 miles to the north, I vowed to never see him again. The kicker was that Sir Simpalot Tim had a string of girlfriends, though none of the relationships lasted. He'd find a new one pretty soon. I figured out why: he simped, simped, simped, pedestalised, and white knighted as though his life depended on it. He couldn't survive without female validation. He married 2 years ago. I was invited, but didn't attend.
Chad also simped, but as Chadsimps do. Neither he nor Tim could understand why I didn't date. Chad tried to persuade me that I needed to simp (he didn't put it that way, but that's what it was). I told him I don't do that, and prefer to keep away from wimmin than do it.
The women in my group also expected me to simp after and white knight them as Sir Simpalot Tim did. They had a shock to discover I don't.
These days, if men want to date, they have to white knight, pedestalise, simp, and havd no boundaries or a backbone. That's the minimum of what wimmin expect.
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@factsdontlie4342 I'm 5ft 8in, 190lbs or so, in visibly very good physical shape for my age - 51 - and full head of hair which I now grow out and styled by a barber. I go to the gym 5 days a week, I dress well, I'm very confident because of what I do, I meet plenty of women in my every day life. Their initial interest vanishes rapidly once they discover I don't simp, pedestalise, that they can't use me, that I have a backbone and boundaries, that I'm dominant, ans that they'll never break my frame or emasculate me. My bachelor friends have all found the same. If we were weak men who simped, pedestalised, and allowed ourselves to be used and walked over, we'd have no trouble dating.
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You've not heard of monkey branching due to hypergamy, then. I have a status in the hierarchy of a national group. This is based on competence I've demonstrated elsewhere in life, and various aspects of my personality. Both men and women see this. It attracts women. It doesn't attract any quality ones, though. Even women around my level of experience/competence/leadership/status still think they can manipulate me to use me, because, entitlement. Because that's the cultural norm here in the UK. Men of higher status and competence than me get used and manipulated by their women. I've been filtering out for decades the women who have attitude have no humility, accountability, integrity, sincerity, and who play games. In other words women who don't know how to be a basic functioning adult. I was left with only one woman. That was back in 2007, briefly.
Of the married men or in LTRs I know, only three haven't had their frame crushed hy their women. All the other men I've met and got to know have had their frame destroyed by a woman. It's so commonplace here in the UK that it's part of our national sense of humour since generations. The woman is rhe boss babe in the relationship, the man is emasculated, and everyone laughs and congratulates the woman.
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@truthtelleranon Quality men intimidate trash women. Me, I'm a historian and researcher. My peers are professors, heads of department, authors, archivists and so on. I'm an experienced public speaker. I get pushed out to do PR work to establish relationships with prominent people. Off the back of the circles I mix in, I get invited to have lunch or dinner with senior people in our establishment. I've been mistaken for our new CEO by a local businessman, before the name was made public, purely on how I dressed, spoke, charisma, dominance, assertiveness, presence, confidence, charm and so on. These qualities also mean I've now been asked to take on the role of a regional organiser for a national group I'm part of, and I now need to organise an event for our prominent HQ staff and directors to attend. Everyone sees this personality. Men respect me for it. Yet all I get to meet anywhere is trash women. Even those in high professions. It's the same broken personalities and sh1t attitudes wherever I look.
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@kingrubbatiti1285 I keep on seeing stick thin men with straggly beards they're struggling to grow, arms like uncooked spaghetti, socks under their sandals, T-shirt tucked into their shorts, in relationships with stunning women with slim waists and big perky t1ts. All these men I've described are ridiculously eaay for me to dominate in social situations, or queueing in a bar, or anywhere they'd give way to me. They also talk to me as women do, but not about women's topics. These are almost exclusively the men that women will date. The other type of man women will get involved with is the neighbourhood thug, but generally speaking, if a woman discovers she can't control a guy, she's off to find a weak guy who lets her.
There's one group of women who aren't turned off by stoicism, masculinity and don't run away when they realise they won't be able to control, use, or emasculate, and that's women 18-21. They treat me very well. Women from 25 upwards flat out won't do anything with a guy who isn't feminine.
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@BlackishBear I don't know if you're veing deliberately obtuse or you just can't read. The production prices are increasing, pushing producers to sell at a loss or to close down. It's been going on for years. Please for the love of god learn some basic economics and common decency.
"Many producers are in a “really, really terrible position” and are making a loss on each bird, says Mottershead, who as chair of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) poultry board represents many of England and Wales’s chicken and turkey farmers.
“It’s getting to the stage where these producers will have no option but to shut the doors and stop producing chickens until things like energy start getting back into a better position and they’re not locked into a contract, with high energy costs,” he says.
He and his fellow producers are being paid more for their birds than before, but he says the “liveweight” price is linked to the cost of feed, and does not take higher energy bills into account.
It has risen from about 95p a kilogram before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 to about £1.05/kg currently, an 11% increase. This comes at a time when the price of feed – which accounts for almost three-quarters of the input costs for poultry production – has risen by between 20% and 30% over the past two years and energy costs a kilowatt have increased five fold."
But yeah, mUh ProFiTaBlE. JFC 🤦🏻♂️
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@shanepatrick641 The sad thing is the hoeflation. Back in the mid to late 90s, when I was in my mid 20s, I used to date women in their early to mid 20s, pretty, thin, firm, you get the idea, or they'd be hanging around me dropping hints. It was unusual to find one who had no humility and who played games. You'd filter them out. But those girls had a realistic view of their SMV. Fast forward to now, and nearly all women, including those my age, act as though they're much hotter than those magnificent girls I knew. I just look at these women today and think 'you really are hopelessly deluded'. None of them are as remotely hot as they think they are, but unless a guy sucls up to that delusion, he won't get anywhere. Hence why I just laugh when I see all this. They're a basket case. But there are plenty of men who simp after them.
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30:00 It sounds like Bo is ignoring the elephant in the room here regarding what's going on. It's less the lack of game or experience among men, it's that the vast majority of wimmin out there to meet are utter trash. I'm not short of attention, but because it becomes clear to them I'm not going to simp, I'm not going to be her servant, I expect reciprocity, I have boundaries, she can't control me, I won't put up with her games, off she goes. She'll often look at me with a mix of disappointment and confusion. I mean, her 'game' has worked on all the other men she's gone after, so why hasn't it with me. I look back thinking "not you as well".
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@michaelwatson9089 To do that, you have to be naïve to people's manipulation or not mind, because they sure as hell will be as well as wanting to use him. I give people as much positive and friendly energy up to the point I see them want to manipulate and use, which means I give them very, very little outside of being polite acquaintances. If I could trust people to not be manipulative users, I'd give more energy, I would. And I then notice such people as that fat Albert get used and used and manipulated to high heaven. I'm good friends with some cheerful and open people who got burnt badly in this way so they're only superficially friendly with most people, except for a very small number of people like me who have noticed the same.
The reason fat Albert is liked by people is because they interpret those traits he displays as being weaknesses to exploit. I can do the same from time to time, and every time I do, my fly paper gets full with people who assumed it meant they could use and manipulate. They get one hell of a shock to discover that unlike fat Albert, they can't, and that's where it ends, and it's nearly everyone I attract, and I then have to spend effort in getting rid of them or engage in open warfare when they resent my bpundaries. I've had to do this with several women I've attracted.
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6:40 All that chamges is behaviour and thoughts. Guess what, Mr Naïve, it still doesn't change how utter shit the population is, how utter shit women are, and how utter shit they all are to deal with, a tiny number of people excepted. So, in order to socialise and be liked by a lot of people, you have to lie to them that you like them, you have to lie them that you take their BS seriously, you have to talk to them with a straight face when all you want to do is laugh at their absurdity, their lies and manipulation. I'm not prepared to lie, lie, and lie, and be very feminine around them, but you do you Bo.
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4:20 Ah, "high energy men wirh lots of friends"
Oh boy, Bo is naïve, but then he's a child. What he's not saying is that those men have legions of parasites around them. He might be aware, but usually not. Being open, outgoing, life of the party, and friendly like that paints a target on your back to be used, especially by women. It's also feminine social traits. It's seen as a sign of weakness, and typically it is which is what women want. Those social, outgoing, happy, jokester men are p1ss easy to dominate. They're also very strong BS merchants that I can't help but laugh at. The strong, masculine men I know are liked by people and put a smile on people's faces, but they don't socialise much and only have a few friends, because they're despised and hated by so many people for their views and that their masculinity can't be challenged. It's those men I respect, not the feminine, outgoing, life and soul of the party ones. Women want female men and have for decades. Because of what I do, I don't have approach anxiety and will immediately talk with ease with any VIP I might meet, so the average Joe is very easy to deal with. But I'm stoic - as are the men I know well - and that drives people away.
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I'm in my early 50s and the same as you. In my early to mid 20s I didn't smoke, didn't dress well, but I drank quite a lot, I goofed around, and I had plenty of friends, and I'd just hang around a bar and I'd have a nice woman next to me. Even when I was getting fatter in my late 20s I had very smart and thin women around me.
25+ years latrer I have the odd cigar, the odd beer or brandy, I dress well, I'm well respected by my academic peers, I'm very well built and pretty lean - with a belt of adonis and a body that looks decades younger - after hitting the gym for 5 years. I don't date. I'm not invisible, but I'm not a goof ball nor am I a simp.
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@phoenixtoash2396 Here in the UK they sure do. Unless you're 6ft 6in Chad Thunderstroke with a 10in peen and a body chiseled from marble, women will only date a guy she can control, use, and emasculate, a guy who simps, pedestalises and white knights. It helps to have such little testosterone you struggle to grow a beard, gain muscle on your skeleton frame, and look like you'll fall over in a strong breeze. It helps enormously if you talk to them in a feminine way, as women do with each other, give her female emotioms (they hate stoic men). I used to have male friends who dated extensively who simped, pedestalised, white knighted, were her free court jester, and tried to get me to do the same. They couldn't comprehend why I didn't simp, white knight or pedestalise. I also found that these men were ridiculously easy to dominate, and one older one used to hang around me like a small boy if we had gone to a city with friends. He had no shortage of girlfriends around our age even though as a 53 y/o divorcee he had as much testosterone, masculinity, and presence as a 9 y/o boy.
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Yep, just be Chris Williamson, bro, just be 6ft, 6 pack, 6" bro.
Re energy exchange, stop chasing women and they come to you: I have little problem attracting them. Every single time they try to manipulate, try to use, start playing games. Very soon after women see that I ignore them and don't chase them, they get disappointed, and scurry off after a simp in their orbit cloud. It's a myth that women are desperate to be with men who ignore them and don't chase them. The moment she realises she can't use a guy, she's off. I've watched all this happen to other men beside myself. For the vast majority of women, if she's hanging around a man or if she's in a relationship with him, it's because she's found a way to use and manipulate him and he hasn't realised it yet. If he did, and if he had self respect, he'd boot her out of his life. The minute she realises he's realised this, she's off. The vast majority of women want naïve simps.
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It's a myth that being or becoming such the man Bo describes will magic options of decent women to choose from to marry. It doesn't. The higher your value, the more entitled useless 304s like these that you'll attract. I know several businessmen bachelors who are tall, handsome, athletic, well dressed, well socialised, great sense of humour, have a great relationship with family, love kids, drive expensive cars, have a shed load of money. On paper they're ideal husband material. None can meet a woman who isn't like these broads. They've given up.
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7:50 monologue, nope, that's not how it works. 'The better people see you doing, the more people magnetise to you.'
Sure, you get more attention from people and from the past, but it's only so they think they can use you.
It's rare that any of those suddenly coming into your life will respect you. Most will just want to use you, because most people use everybody else. Men and women. I talk to very, very few people, and don't socialise because of this, and that hardly anybody is sincere with me or anybody else.
I have no problem talking with people, they find me charming, but as they find out very early on I can't be manipulated or used, that repels most of them from wanting to do anything with me. That and I don't respond to the BS they spew. What Bo talks about 'positive energy' means in plain English is that the vast majority of people interpret it as you've got a target painted on your back that means you can be used.
9:20 energy exchange, stop chasing women and they come to you: I have little problem attracting them. Every single time they try to manipulate, try to use, start playing games. Last time I met a woman who didn't do any of this was 17 years ago. Very soon after women see that I ignore them and don't chase them, they get disappointed, and scurry off after a simp in their orbit cloud. It's a myth that women are desperate to be with men who ignore them and don't chase them. The moment she realises she can't use a guy, she's off. I've watched all this happen to other men beside myself. For the vast majority of women, if she's hanging around a man or if she's in a relationship with him, it's because she's found a way to use and manipulate him and he hasn't realised it yet. If he did, and if he had self respect, he'd boot her out of his life. The minute she realises he's realised this, she's off. The vast majority of women want naïve simps.
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I'm in decent shape, had very attractive, slim girlfriends/affairs in my 20s 25+ years ago. I've had no hope of getting dates from women for many, many years apart from accidental dinners - and they fail - simply because I don't simp, pedestalise, and they realise I have boundaries, and they can't control or use me or emasculate. Every single time it's failed with a woman it's because of that. The men I see who do date and women get obsessed with are feminine, give them female emotions, and smother them with unearned time, energy, and attention. These men talk to me as a woman would. They're also p1ss easy for me to dominate socially. Professionally I have to have bags of confidence to cold approach politicians, autbors, publishers, and so on at corporate events to build relationships with them on behalf of my CEO. I have to hold myself with my peers who are professors, authors, and so on. Those character traits are a turnoff. Women want submissive, feminine men wbo can barely grow a beard. I figured out years ago they want a woman in a man's body.
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2:50 Go lift 😄
I've been doing that for the past 5 years. I lost some 40% of my weight in fat in around a year, then gained 30% back in muscle. I need to update my profile pic. I've now got a V taper, excellent definition, dimples of Venus, rock hard buns, chiselled back, solid guns, broad chest and shoulders, belt of adonis coming along, flat stomach, pecs bigger than many girls' boobs, and I dress well, and well groomed. Most of the attention I get is from other men, and if I was gay, I'd be slaying through chiselled gay men in their 20s. It doesn't bring decent women out of the woodwork. It just exposes you to more useless 304s who think they're entitles to control, use and emasculate. I get much more attention from younger thots at bars though. As well as bored wives in their late 30s/early 40s so around a decade younger.
Physically, I'm in my best shape, even at 51, and look better than the vast majority of men around my age and generally only challenged by guys in their 20s.
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Very few guys I talk to in the gym - jacked - do anything much with women even on ONS. A few date and have even married, but it's clear they're simps and they're already under the thumb of their women. Since I started working out 5 years ago in my late 40s and now look completely different, with thick hair, I get a lot more female attention. All the women, without fail, assume they can control, use, and emasculate, and that I simp, pedestalise, and white knight. To their horror, I don't, so they go after the nearest simp in their orbit cloud. Those simps are pretty much the only guys who date in the UK, outside of ONS.
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"... because women seem less likely to date men less intelligent than themselves."
And there we have it, the assumption that the accumulation of credentials equates to high intelligence. It only sort of does in that it means you have an ability to cluster knowledge, but it's a poor indicator of broad spectrum intelligence.
One of the smartest and capable people I've ever met is a roadside car mechanic - he drives a recovery truck for the AA. He doesn't know it, but I ran him through various cognitive tests over a period of a few months, in terms of reasoning, spatial awareness, speed of learning, recall, abstraction, and so on. He's way smarter than most people I know with Masters degrees, yet he performed very badly at school and left at 16.
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LMAO, nope, women still expect you to simp and pedestalise, and expect to be able to control, use, and emasculate. The only jacked men they allow to date them are guys who simp and who they can CUE, unless he's also well over which means he doesn't need to simp. A guy around 6-2 and shorter will be simping and have no boundaries in order to date, even if he doesn't know it. I've witnessed several 6ft 6in enormous chiselled jacked Chads simp after single mothers, and it's pretty disgusting.
Having a good physique, and far better than other men around you, will get you attention from women, and they'll like to touch you up, but it only gets you dates without simping if you're very tall. It earns enormous respect and admiration from men, the sea parts, and younger gay men will hit on you and quickly undress if they see you about to go in the shower, where straight men don't.
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I'm 5ft 8in, 184-189 lb, I'm jacked for my age. I dress well, I'm well groomed. I've been mistaken for our new CEO because of my confidence, dress sense, grooming, presence, charisma, and so on. I've found all of what you say to be true, especially from men, and women treat me better, but I'm still expected to simp and pedestalise, and allow them to control, use, and emasculate me, and to be fairly feminine. All the traits of dominance, presence which men recognise and are therefore submissive to mean little to women. I'm neither shy nor introverted. Women correctly figure out very early on that it means I won't tolerate their BS and that they won't be able to manipulate me, and that I'm not afraid of enforcing boundaries. That causes them to flee.
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@omarcook3663 We could be talking about the same woman. She too works at my gym. She spent a good 18 months stalking me, even admitting she knew when I was at home. She had a particular fixation about my body hair. She put in an enormous effort to get me to notice her and laid it on increasingly thick, because nothing she was doing worked. I eventually relented and started to pay attention, and she suddenly started putting up hoops, even after she flat out asked me to her place for a drink. A 'yes, I'd like to' answer suddenly resulted in coughs and excuses. That's when I realised what she was up to, and that she developed fixations on other male customers in the same way in rotation. I gave her the elbow over 12 months ago. She resumed stalking me, but by autumn she finally got the hint and got very upset about it and went 'polite hostile' to me as a customer. In December though she suddenly changed again, back to that old self, and recently has started getting tactile.
I've had many women both before and after her who behaved the same way. They'll put in a huge effort to lure me in, they'll even ask me out, they'll plan dates, they'll suggest venues, then the moment I agree, they'll cough, splutter, make excuses, not reschedule, or flat out ghost. They just want to see what sort of guy will agree to a date. They're beyond saving. The women who don't behave like this just don't exist any more.
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Nope, women will run away when they discover the man they've met is dominant and assertive, and if/when they discover he has boundaries and isn't afraid of enforcing them, she'll either have a tantrum, a sulk, or feel uneasy being around him, and peel away. There are a few old couples over 60 where the woman respects the man's leadership and his boundaries, but under 60, I only know of three. In all the other couples, the man has been steamrollered by the woman, and she'll typically smirk about it.
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God, talk about naïve, and peddling a blue pill utopia. That's not how it works in the UK. The various success stories you hear in the comments aren't representative, and they're the tiny number of exceptions. As such, the commentators are self-selecting, because largely only the success stories that reinforce this idea are going to be written.
'Apply for jobs to get a career, be diligent and turn up' - if you're a white European male, your application likely goes straight in the bin, especially in the public sector and largely in blue chip FTSE100 companies. If you are already in such a place, or even somewhere smaller, be prepared to never get promoted for the same reasons. Your competence, work ethic, proven performance, good interpersonal skills mean little. Whether or not your face fits does, so expect a victimhood Karen to be promoted ahead of you, even if her incompetence and emotional instability is well known. Same with the office Chad. He'll get promoted ahead of you because of his height, physique, looks, charm, even though he's as competent at the job as an office plant. You'll be expected to carry both these types of people, on top of your job. When lockdown came along, there was a mass exodus of men in their 50s who took early retirement because of the work culture of DEI, of carrying incompetents above them, and career progression turned off because they had the wrong genitalia and skin colour.
The only place I'd recommend men apply for jobs at are male dominated industries - the 3D jobs - where wimmin wouldn't dare go near in case they break a fingernail.
As for starting your own business, following your dream to make your fortune, even if the business doesn't fold, it's pure luck if someone makes oodles of money out of it beyond having a just above working class lifestyle. The ones who make a LOT of money are in the laptop industries which will go the way of AI. Some might cling on in a few niches - such as heritage - but those places won't be well paid. The well paid jobs and careers are going to be wiped out by AI. The safest bet for men is to go into manual work with good career progression, doing things that can't easily automated, if ever. The few very, very successful men I've met who aren't corporate employees on a payroll in some way are almost all psychopaths, and I get to hear of their work circles, and ditto, filled with more Cluster B psychopaths. What becomes obvious is that to harlve that level of success in life involves using others as disposable garbage, without remorse, even family, just for the relentless search for more, more, more. It's very rare to see financial and career success to get the lifestyle Bo advocates without someone having a Cluster B PD and without trampling on others or using them with no remorse. The friendships they have are with similar minded men, and it's pretty grim to watch. It's also hilarious when they find out that they can't treat you as they treat other people. Thus, though I get to meet such men, I don't develop friendships because I don't go along with their fake macho BS. The guys I know who have a decent personality and I actually like spending time with and talking to are plumbers, heating engineers, drain cleaners, modest men who aren't chasing the grind for the sake of it, just content with a happy, simple life and enjoying quality friendships with people and stressing over how to make the next billion.
Regarding women, "that dude who got the beautiful girlfriend, he worked on approaching women every single day, he worked on himself every single day, he made himself more charismatic, he taught himself how to speak, how to behave in public, be interesting in conversation, he kept up his appearance,... he became a mini Chad"
Talk about blue pill. Women don't care about that. They don't care if you have no conversation and you're as dull as ditchwater with pretty much no personality. It comes down to looks and height. Women also don't care if you have no ambition. You can be all of that list and women won't care unless you're 6ft 4in at least, and ripped. They only care if you're under 6ft and are out of shape if you're rich and you show you're willing to spend, spend, spend on her. I know plenty of bachelors who are all those things on that list, and they're tall, handsome, and all the other things, but don't date because they can't find a woman who doesn't take, take, take. Neither can I. Women don't care if you're "putting a dent in the world" (Rich Cooper). They only care if you're earning a huge amount, and if you do, you don't need to have conversation skills. A guy's success with women literally comes down to his ability and willingness to simp, whether he knows this or not, and essentially buy women. It's either that or manipulate the sh1t out of them from the start.
It's aad that the Wear only values men - and men only value each other - in terms of money, how much you earn, your materialism, your spending, instead of higher ambitions like Enlightenment and developing wisdom. Sadly, that's the Western disease of making money for the sake of it. I have a few irons in the fire, where I want to rewrite a few areas of psychology as I notice that they're incomplete and have various errors. That'll be one dent on the world, but it won't make me much, if any money. Another area is my involvement in national politics, where again I can influence things, but again, it's highly doubtful any money will come from that. But if things go the way I expect, I can at least make another dent to changing society. It doesn't involve "be a businessman, bro" so I guess it doesn't count on the scale of this false masculinity thing of only chasing money at the bottom end of the pyramid of Enlightenment instead of changing the structures at the top to achieve wider changes that will benefit more people and for longer.
I'm quite content with not being a businessman and dying regretting I didn't set up a business or something, even if I die with little or no money and didn't travel, because my efforts will have been in the field of political and economic philosophy and campaigning, political leadership and maybe rewriting a corner of psychology.
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In December 2018 I was 98.6 kg. My March 2020 I was down to something like 62kg. I remained very thin until early 2021 when I started to gain mass again, but in muscle. I'm now back to 84kg or so and apparently I look better for it. I'm pretty lean with it, I guess I'm not far off a swimmer's physique. That was all done in my late 40s. I'm 51 now. So, it can be done, but discipline to death healthily is key, together with going to the gym regularly. In me, it was like a light switch. I changed my diet overnight. Literally. I cleaned out the fridge and most of my cupboards. The only chamge is that I now eat more of the healthy diet I changed to, so a lot more high quality meat like beef, chicken, pork, lamb, that sort of thing, and I'm careful on carbs. I eat plenty of greens and fibre and drink little alcohol. My T levels have shot up.
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@19:08 'if you settle on a basic, average everyday woman, she'll get anxiety as you succeed' – back in the late 90s I used to date a gorgeous, well-adjusted, well-spoken, well-dressed woman even though I was in a very lowly position but was getting involved in other areas of the company through talent and determination. Even though there were a few other men there, I was the only one who had the insight and wherewithall to progress in the company structure and make myself known. I had loads of younger women colleagues around me at the time, but I didn't want to date them. This particular woman knew what I got up to, and knew of my industriousness and my reputation for progress. In class, she was quite above me, but because I was too young in my mid-20s to realise just how good a woman I found, I decided to drop her and see someone else instead – that one was a disaster. This well-dressed woman is probably the only one I've ever met whom I could introduce to the people I now know, attend the private dinners I get invited to, attend the conferences with me, where I wouldn't feel she wasn't going to embarrass me, and she wasn't going to feel like a fish out of water.
Considering where I am now in life, I'm a very experienced public speaker, I sometimes socialise with a group of senior academics and charity trustees, I've been confused with our new CEO in the community by people who'd heard of the new appointment but who didn't know who it was, based on how I dress, how I speak, how I carry myself, my authority, and so on. I also speak to my peers – who are academics, professors, researchers, and so on – as my equal. I can easily have a lengthy and light-hearted phone call with a retired professor about our topic, or have a conversation with prominent politicians. All this bleeds into my every-day life. This is how I carry myself around other people. I have to act on that level because professionally I can't do anything else. It's lost on the women I meet, though.
I'm also now getting into something new, and that involves getting myself heard among professors, university vice-chancellors, authors, prominent broadsheet columnists, cabinet ministers, barristers, KCs, economists, consultant psychiatrists and psychologists, and so on. I've thrown myself in to writing at their level, so I can be taken seriously in that company. Again, women can see what I get up to. It's always in the back of my mind what would happen if I got together with one of them who seem to hang around, and that anxiety by them is something I'd have to deal with. There's one married woman I know who I do know follows what I'm now getting involved in with keen interest – she's an academic – and I wonder if that type of woman, if unmarried, would be secure enough to not have that anxiety.
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@3:10 was the father there, was he active in her life, leading his family, had his wife beat his ass into submission.'
In the mid-90s, so not far off 30 years ago, I met a gorgeous, witty, and clever 20 y/o girl. Several months in, I made the mistake of spending Christmas with her, her parents, and her 18 y/o brother. Her father was a decent chap, kind, considerate. His daughter had been looking for a place for us to move in to together in her city, as there were far more opportunities for me down there than in my small town in the middle of nowhere. So, Christmas arrived, and that's when I got to know the family dynamic. The father was as you described – he was completely beaten into submission by his covert narc wife. She'd ritually humiliate my GF in front of everyone, and her father just sat there quiet, not interrupting to say that the mother was out of order. In retrospect, I should've told my GF that we were leaving there and then, and try to find somewhere else to stay until we could find somewhere to move in together. But, it was Christmas eve, and I'd taken the train down there, and not driven. A few days later, the mother told my GF to get rid of me, probably because she could sense I didn't like how she was treating her daughter. So the GF did as she was told, and was distraught about it. I pitied her father.
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@14:50 – 'never lose your identity, never let her cross your boundaries, maintain frame.' Yeah, right. That's how to get rid of women from your life. There's only one married man or a man in an LTR that I know who's maintained his identity and frame and doesn't let his wife dictate to him what he does. One man out of dozens of couples I've met and known well over the decades. It's a standing joke here in the UK that men have to ask their wives' permission to enjoy their hobbies, or to go out and meet friends, or to buy a collectable piece of machinery they want to restore. In my various hobby circles relating to engineering, transport and so on, it's the same refrain – "how did you get your wife's permission" "what tax are you going to have to pay". It's unheard of that a man just does these things off his bat without asking his wife's permission. Apart from that one married man I know, the only other men who don't have to ask their adoptive parent's permission (ie wife or partner) are those men who are single. You also see men who have been completely crushed by their wives early in marriage, and they get led around shopping centres/malls like they're following on a lead. It's unknown here in the UK for a man to lead. This isn't a recent phenomenon, it's been going on for generations.
By contrast, when I maintain frame with women I meet and refuse to let her cross my boundary, and I maintain my identity, whoosh, she's out of my life, and typically has a monumental tantrum about it behind my back (if I hear about it via backchannels). Women I meet discover very early on that I won't compromise my identity, that I expect to conduct myself just as you advocate, and that's when she loses attraction. Without fail. They almost always want to be with a man who will allow her to dictate what he does, successfully tell him he can't go to the gym and they must go for brunch. She wants an obedient simp, and the vast, vast majority of men are these obedient simps because they know that if they aren't, she'll leave him, or worse, call him abusive, manipulative, controlling, etc. That married man I know can only maintain his identity and maintain his frame with his wife because he spent years training his wife to allow him. I watched him do it, and heard of his various struggles doing it. When I was on twitter I also used to know a married woman around my age who admitted to me that she was a similarly wild woman whose husband successfully tamed into a happy, home-making wife. He's a very rich and successful businessman doing something in finance, and she was a SAHM while the kids grew up. But she had to be trained to let him lead and not be a simp. It's that rare. There's one woman I know whom I very strongly suspect has a very big crush on me is someone who'll allow me to maintain my identity and my frame, For various reasons that's a non-starter, which is a pity as she's one of the very few sane women I know.
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@Redbird4912 Back in university, some 30 years ago, I knew a plug ugly guy with bad acne, the world's grimmest pudding basin haircut, and he always looked malnourished and a walking skeleton. He had a string of girls around him despite looking like Quasimodo's long lost brother. He had the swagger all right, and made girls laugh, but he had an open wallet at the bar. He'd drive his dates to see shows in the West End in London on a Friday night or a Saturday matinee, have a meal, drive back to our city, drop her off, then drive 150 miles north overnight for his Sunday church and teaching commitments before driving back south on Sunday night for college on Monday morning. He'd sometimes keep the same girl for a few weeks but often he'd cycle through them. He complained to me at how much they were all costing him, but it was worth it for the bedroom fun. I don't know if he ever admitted to himself he was buying the services of escorts, just undergraduate girls in the same college who liked being taken to see shows, wined and dined, in return for opening her legs. I can't stress highly enough just how hideously ugly he was, with his front teeth arranged in a random manner.
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I had the same nearly 30 years ago. She was very highly resistant, but also had her hands over me. I took her back to my place, we were kissing and undressing each other, she had her hands on my jewels, I put my hands in her knickers, then all of a sudden she bailed, got dressed very suddenly, ran out of the door, and left the campus that night, and missed the last day of her course. Looking back, it was a miracle I wasn't reported to the course staff and then to police. That was very much a case of 'yes' (and her being very wet and really enjoying doing things to my gentleman area) being a 'no'.
If I was another type of man, I'd have pinned her down and made sure she went through with what she started, but even then I knew what would've happened.
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I concluded a while ago that the vast majority of XX can't be regarded as sentient, that is have a continuous or joined up consciousness. I view them as having siloed experiences, some parts of which leak out into others, but don't enough to form a coherent over-arching consciousness as it does in men. This explains the solipsism, among many other things. Ive been doing research on autism, theory of mind, consciousness, and Intelligence for over 20 years, so construct models for behaviour. That's my model for women. I have a feeling that our ancestors going back to cave man and tribe days figured this out but in their own language, hence put severe restrictions on women.
The problem is, how do you date someone with a discontinuous consciousness, when what you see take place in front of you is this siloed behaviourr of what looks like a form of artificial consciousness?
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Eastern Europe is VERY attractive, if it wasn't for the EU. I fought very hard to achieve Brexit, and there's no way on earth I'd consider moving to one of the EU27. It's a pity because Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria appeal to me. Many trad women, socially conservative society, stunning scenery, and good food. But I'm 50. As far as other men are concerned, I'd recommend looking into it. Don't believe the guff you read in the media about the farr-wright in E Europe. It's vastly blown out of proportion, and as far as the MSM are concerned, farr-wright is any politician or party which rejects the postmodernist orthodoxy.
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I get plenty of attention. Women come on to me frequently. Imagine you've been working in the sun all day and when you finish at 5 you want to get to the bar for a cold soda or a cold Czech beer, only to find that sold out just before you got there and had a price of 50% of your day's wages. The other option is a limited amount of tepid water which men are fighting over, at 45%. After that there's an unlimited quantity of buckets of vomit that's been standing outside in the sun, at only 40% of your day's wages. Does that sound appetising to you?
Of all the marriages/LTRs I've got to know well under, say, the age of 70, I can think of only three men who haven't been crushed nor had their lives made a complete misery. It's even more horrific if I remember just what those men were like when they were single. The more successful businessmen bachelors I'm aware of just pick up a disposable bimbo at a bar, keep her around for a few months until she gets to be a nuisance then get rid, and swap for a new one. It costs them to rent each one ovee that time, but that's as close aa they dare get to these XX. It's been decades since I met a woman who could have improved my life by her being in it rather than not. And I've met a huge amount of women. Most of the attention I get these days is from married women looking for a fling behind their husband's back. I see other married women openly flirt with and chase other men. If I lived in a city again, I'd probably be hitting the bars every weekend and picking up these married women who go out with their girlfriends. If I find myself in a bar on a weekend in a city after a conference, it's these women who launch themselves on me and start getting physical.
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2:25 'Let status do the job, it comes out of you, people around you treat you differently.' Yes, that's what I do, but I have limited status in society but quite a bit professionally in my niche. I also have to come across as a CEO in order to fit in with my people, though I'm not on the business side of things. So those CEO like qualities of dominance, competence, pathogical confidence, no approach anxiety, taking charge, dressing well, being well groomed, is what everybody sees. Think Ian Richardson's character in Brazil, with Cary Grant and Tommy Shelby thrown in. And that's with very limited social status outside my field, which nearly everybody doesn't get to see. It means I earn people's respect very quickly, most men are submissive, the boss men I see around me treat me as one of their own, all with little or no effort from me.
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Having more going on than is easy - they've added up to me coming across as a CEO, though I'm not one, because of who I have to mix with, the professional impression I have to give to my prominent peer group, existing and potential new clients, and now as a regional organiser for a national political group. I have to carry myself as a high calibre man else those I deal with would very quickly and easily call my bluff and lose their confidence. It would be game over for me. This is how I carry myself everywhere, because I can't afford to not drop that appearance, and neither can any of them. But to women, it's pretty much meaningless unless I'm prepared to simp after and pedestalise women far below me in status. Looks wise, after I started to hit the gym 5 years ago, I'm in great physical shape, I'm well dressed and well groomed, because of the above, but again, women below me in looks, appearance, figure/weight, dress and grooming think they're superior.
Women in the 90s treated me very well, and they were all very attractive, slim, intelligent, agreeable, and so on. And that was when I had a fraction of the status I enjoy today and thus very little to project onto the world.
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Height means nothing, neither does how handsome you are, how rich or successful, how good a physique, how well socialised, how well groomed and a good dress sense, how well travelled, how much you get on with your nephews and nieces, it means nothing. The only thing that does is if you allow her to take, take, take. If you have a backbone and you set boundaries, and you expect reciprocation and you don't tolerate their games or BS, they're off. No matter how high your status is, if you're not prepared to let her have her own way all the time, they're off.
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🤣 Hilarious. Women most definitely don't want masculinity, muscular, confidence, presence, or dominance. If they did, such men would be dating, but they don't, unless he's 6ft 6in Chad Thunderstroke or an immensely rich sugar daddy. The vast, vast majority of men who date and who get women are either soft and feminine (like this guy) or they pretend to be. Over 30 years ago I had a college friend who was very much like Dylan Mulvaney. He met a woman in our year, 19, and for her it was love at first sight. They went on to have a very physical relationship, which she was completely in charge of. I don't recall them splitting up. I've met dozens upon dozens of manginas like that since who were dating strings of women even though they had the masculinity of a week old lettuce. I also used to know an older divorces guy who was essentially a tall and fat 9 y/o boy and just as submissive around masculine men. He too had strings of dates and girlfriends before meeting his now wife. I declined the wedding invite as that marriage is a farce. She married a weak little boy in a man's body, body women in our group all loved him because he was the group Sir Simpalot and free court jester.
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