Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Forbes Breaking News" channel.

@GulagMoosefeller "The idea of far-left and far-right really lose their boundaries when you go to the extremes of fascism and even communism. " Fascism is on the far-left, on the right side of marxism. It's not on the extreme end at all. Extreme right would be Anarcho-Capitalism.
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@GulagMoosefeller "It is still far-right because of it's nationalist origin" No. Nothing to do with right wing of any kind. Nationalism is devotion to the State which sees all other states as inferior and in competition. Right wing ideologies do not embrace Nationalism, but rather Patriotism. In all Right wing ideologies, the Individual is superior to the State. In socialist ideologies the collective (such as the State) is superior to the individual.
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@eyes2see333 "Fascism is private ownership enterprise, but total government control and regulations." Technically there was no private ownership of anything, since it was indeed government controlled. Everything was conditional. Individual ownership rights were understood to be strictly subordinate to collective discipline. It was not the individual ownership of property that concerned Fascists, but its subordination to collective control. Property was understood to perform social functions rather than to manifest individual rights. It was clear that the conception of property as a social function was broad enough to include socialization of the means of production, should that be required by the national interests as interpreted by the state.
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"fascist far-right extremists " No such thing. Fascist were far-left national syndicalists (socialists). Cope harder.
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@saintcain "you don’t remember me?" Yes, the ignorant marxist.
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You are joking, right? It was the socialist and neo-fascist movement, Peronism, which was the main reason for their crisis.
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No. That is called Corporatocracy.
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"Fascism is called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. " No. Common misquote. There was no merging of any kind. There was no corporate power either. There was only the State power, and Corporatism was system they designed to manage their socialist economy.
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@eyes2see333 : Again, common misquote. Mussolini has never said such a thing.
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@theQuestion626 "Augusto Pinochet. Look him up." Pinochet was a neoliberal, also the complete opposite of a Fascist.
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No. That is just mere totalitarianism.
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@theQuestion626 " His social politics were fascists. " No such thing. Fascism was a very specific ideology and Pinochet had nothing to do with it.
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@jamesmorrow1646 "Fascists are far-right. They’re not Socialists." Wrong. The original commenter is correct. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from Georges Sorel. It was a spiritual continuation of the "Yellow socialism" movement.
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@theQuestion626 "Eventually a fascist will follow." Wrong. Libertarianism is literally the polar opposite ideology. Not to mention, Argentina has had a neo-fascist movement (Peronism) ruling the country for decades. Cope harder.
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@theenigma9100 "Exactly and the key word here is "were" and now fascism has taken over the far-right. " Wrong. Were, as in Fascism hasn't existed since the WW2. Sure there have been few neo-fascist movements, like Milei's opponents for example. Fascism cannot "take over" right wing. Fascism is inherently a far-left, socialist ideology. Nothing to do with right wing of any kind.
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@saintcain "As per Mussolini and Gentile, fascism is opposed to socialism and unions. " Wrong. They didn't. Fascism never opposed socialism itself, nor unionism itself. Fascism was build around nationalized trade unionism.
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@saintcain "Privately owned, privately ran industries, with state direction. " Nothing was privately owned as we understand it today. Individual ownership rights were understood to be strictly subordinate to collective discipline. It was not the individual ownership of property that concerned Fascists, but it subordination to collective control. Property was understood to perform social functions rather than to manifest individual rights. It was clear that the conception of property as a social function was broad enough to include socialization of the means of production, should that be required by the national interests as interpreted by the state. Nothing was privately ran either per se. It was State which controlled the means of production.
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@saintcain "both were against socialism, as Mussolini wrote in the doctrine of fascism, " Wrong. They were against Marxism, not socialism in general.
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@saintcain " and in hitlers speeches" Wrong. Hitler never spoke against socialism, but against marxism.
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@saintcain "and in the fact that the first people sent to concentration camps were socialists. " And so they were in Russia after the October Revolution. Your point being?
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@saintcain "And the fact that Hitler and Mussolini both supported Franco in the Spanish civil war against socialists." Against Marxists, not socialists or socialism in general.
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@saintcain "Fascism by design is the polar opposite of socialism, as per Mussolini." Wrong. Fascism was a socialist ideology. It was the polar opposite / rival of Marxism.
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@jamesmorrow1646 "Neither Hitler and NSDAP or Mussolini were Socialists. " Wrong. By definition they were, and even according to their own words.
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@jamesmorrow1646 "Hitler privatised publicly owned banks and shipping companies " Wrong. He did no such thing. There was no privatization of any kind in Nazi Germany. On the contrary, they nationalized most if not all the German industries and later reorganized all industries into corporations run by members of the Nazi Party. They called this nationalization as "Gleichschaltung".
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@jamesmorrow1646 "and coerced/cooperated with Capitalist industrialists like Krupp and IGFarben." Both businesses were nationalized and eventually replaced and owned by individual NSDAP members.
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@jamesmorrow1646 "but Fascists are Right and Communists Left." Wrong. Fascism was far-left, and Hitler's National Socialism was also far-left. Communism is extreme left.
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@saintcain "why do you still think you know more than Mussolini and gentile?" Go and read the Doctrine of Fascism, or alternatively, the Philosophy of Fascism by Mario Palmieri.
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@Mergseq "Fascism is right wing" Wrong. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from Georges Sorel. As created by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, it comes from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society.
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@saintcain "I know you read the doctrine of fascism, because I made you read it. " Has nothing to do with you, and the 'Doctrine of Fascism' is not the only work they wrote, not to mention what the other fascist syndicalists wrote.
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@saintcain "Now, why do you think you know more than the creators of fascism?" Never thought such a thing.
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@saintcain "you know that the concept of left and right comes from French parliament, where the right supports traditional values and monarchy, while the left supports liberty and democracy." Which is irrelevant when it comes to modern day politics. The right-left dichotomy is useless if you base it on monarchy. By that logic, socialism would be on the right and things like Anarcho-Capitalism would be extreme left wing. In fact, Capitalism, completely opposed to any authoritarian control over the economy would one of the most left wing systems.
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@saintcain "Socialism is community owned or worker owned, democratically controlled. " Workers have nothing to do with socialism nor any specific group per se. Socialism is about the collective ownership/control of the means or production, distribution and exchange of goods. It doesn't care from what that collective is comprised of.
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@saintcain "Mussolini will tell you himself why fascism opposes socialism." Wrong. Mussolini clearly tells that they oppose a very specific type of socialism, that is, marxism.
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@jamesmorrow1646 "I like Umberto Eco’s 14 common features of Fascism as a measure." Sadly they have very little to do with Fascism. They are common features found on literally every single dictatorial and totalitarian regime.
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