Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Why the far right is surging in Europe | FT Film" video.

@atlaskinzel6560 "Far right emerges from people who feel like the past was better than the present. " Those are conservatives / reactionaries. Not far-right per se. People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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@fka-Kaya "that´s why the right is known to be a champion for gay and trans rights and bodily autonomy..." You are confusing religious / traditionalist advocates to the Right wing. They aren't the same.
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@charlesmiv3842 : Wrong. Both are forms of collectivism and hallmarks of the Left. People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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@felixarbable "but they are still market capitalists. europe itself is a market capitalist project of intergration through markets and labour" European countries do have Markets, but not Capitalism per se. Almost every country in the world has a Mixed economy system.
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@pierrewilliams1533 "The free movement of goods, services, capital and people was never going to be sustainable over a long term" Hard to say when no country has such things. Everything in EU is regulated quite hard.
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@charlesmiv3842 : Mussolini was a far-left socialist.
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" I think of far-right as implying ethno-nationalism." Which actually is on the far-left, just like the rest of the collectivist ideologies.
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"but my understanding of far right is Nazi's" No, just no. National Socialism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology. It was the opposite of Far-right.
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@charlesmiv3842 The European Union by itself is the antithesis of Neoliberalism. No country in Europe has Neoliberalism, which you can already see from how deep in dept our European countries are due to the bloated public sector and big government.
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Far-right doesn't care about wars.
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@charlesmiv3842 Here are few; “Some still ask of us: what do you want? We answer with three words that summon up our entire program. Here they are…Italy, Republic, Socialization... Socialization is no other than the implantation of Italian Socialism…” — Benito Mussolini, Speech given by Mussolini to a group of Milanese Fascist veterans (October 14, 1944) “Do not believe, even for a moment, that by stripping me of my membership card you do the same to my Socialist beliefs, nor that you would restrain me of continuing to work in favor of Socialism and of the Revolution.” — Benito Mussolini, Speech at the Italian Socialist Party’s meeting in Milan at the People’s Theatre on Nov. 25, 1914. “You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me.” — Benito Mussolini, A Biography (1983), As quoted by Mussolini after he was expelled from the Italian Socialist Party in 1914. "For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest. " — Benito Mussolini, As quoted in “Soliloquy for ‘freedom’ Trimellone island”, one of the last interviews of Mussolini, March 20, 1945
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@matthewbanton7077 " when he was a young man, he was a socialist (not far-left)." Mussolini was always a socialist (far-leftist). When he was young, he was a Marxist and later he became a National Syndicalist, i.e. Fascist.
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@matthewbanton7077 "he then went on to abandon socialism, " Mussolini never abandoned socialism. He abandoned Marxism.
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@matthewbanton7077 "establish fascism and help to define the far-right through his rhetoric policy. " Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. It was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism/democracy, and marxism. The means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism. Fascism was an outgrowth of Sorellian Syndicalism, which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." As created by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, Fascism comes from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society. It cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State.
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@matthewbanton7077 "socialism is not far-left, I don’t know why you keep putting that there." Wrong. It is. Socialism is an economic system only used and advocated by various far-left ideologies and beyond.
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@charlesmiv3842 "All the authoritarian right wing nations banned free expressions of art. " There has been only one authoritarian right wing nation within the last few centuries... Chile under Augusto Pinochet.
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@matthewbanton7077 "fascist economic policy has far more capitalist elements than it does socialist ones. " Wrong. There was no Capitalist elements whatsoever. It was a textbook example of socialism, known as Corporatism ("corporativismo" in Italian) which was one of the cornerstone principles in Mussolini's fascism, and had to do with the way society and the economy would be organized, with state power at the head of a system of syndicates ("corporazione") representing each major industry. Mussolini's corporatist view stressed total state power over businesses as much as over individuals, via these governing industry bodies controlled by the Fascist party, in which businesses retained the responsibilities of property, but few if any of the freedoms.
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@matthewbanton7077 " but private property, the market economy and wealthy people all survived. " Wrong. The only people who were wealthy, were the people in the Government. Private property wasn't a thing, and was made conditional. Individual ownership rights were understood to be strictly subordinate to collective discipline. It was not the individual ownership of property that concerned Fascists, but its subordination to collective control. Property was understood to perform social functions rather than to manifest individual rights. It was clear that the conception of property as a social function was broad enough to include socialization of the means of production, should that be required by the national interests as interpreted by the state. Market economy wasn't a thing either, and was replaced with Corporatism, a system where sectors of the economy were divided into syndicates (which were nationalized Unions that then elected their own members into government as well as democratically run their workspaces. Each profession and field had their own Syndicate, which in turn, operated symbiotically with its composed members), whose activities and interactions were managed and coordinated by the government. The idea was to let the state control and direct the economy from the top-down without itself owning the means of production.
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@charlesmiv3842 : The European Union by itself is the antithesis of Neoliberalism. No country in Europe has Neoliberalism, which you can already see from how deep in dept our European countries are due to the bloated public sector and big government.
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Actually they are far-left.
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@the_pinkerton : Wrong. They are collectivists, hence far-left.
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@the_pinkerton "they are theocrats, hence far-right" Theocracy is a collectivist form of governance, hence on the left. Meanwhile people on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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@felixarbable "there is no far left in europe." Actually many countries have Communist parties for example. Some small, some bigger. Also any party advocating for socialism in general, would be on the far-left.
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@the_pinkerton : Libertarians are on the far-right, just like every ideology based on Classical Liberalism.
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"There are surging because capitlism is (again) in crisis, " Wrong. Capitalism has never been in crisis and technically no country even has Capitalism in the first place. Almost every country in the world has a Mixed economy system. Not to mention, that the Governments are the problem, not Capitalism.
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The Nazis were on the far-left though.
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What Neoliberalism and in what country exactly? Every European country has a Mixed economy with some form of Social-Democracy. If anything, Neoliberalism is exactly what some countries need, since some of them have such bloated public sectors that they are sinking the whole country, which already runs on borrowed money, from the central banks.
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@the_pinkerton "social democracy is neoliberalism," Wrong. Social-Democracy is a mixed economy system and closer to socialism, than any kind of Neoliberalism.
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"were the Nazis far-Right or far-Left? " National Socialism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology.
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@matthewbanton7077 "if the means of production are not in the hands of the working people, it is not socialism." Wrong. Now you are conflating Marxism and Socialism. They are two different things, and Socialism doesn't care in whose hands the means of production is, as long as it is collectively owned or controlled. In short: Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. Fascism had the latter.
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What far-right exactly? There is only one country where far right is surging, and that ain't in Europe. That would be in Argentina. Reminder, that the people on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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"Its also stupidly dangerous to water down a word meant to be used to describe fringe opinions that are actually murderous and spremecist. " Actually those belong to the far-left, with the rest of the collectivists.
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Wrong. None of the European countries even have such a thing.
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" If that were true Nazis or Fascists would be making a comeback." Except both of them were on the far-left.
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@charlesmiv3842 : As long as China isn't implementing green policies, it makes no difference what some small European countries do.
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@matthewbanton7077 "and Mussolini may have spoken of syndicalism but in reality he still put privatisation and other anti-socialist economic policies into practice" Wrong. There was no privatization nor anti-socialist economic policies. None. It was all about nationalization and State control of the economy.
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