Comments by "Volound" (@Volound) on "Munchies" channel.

  1. BetterKnownAsMalice decapitation is not halal. you are arguing for something else. decapitation, while not as clean as inert gas asphyxiation or electrical stunning, is not cruel and inhumane in that it does not draw out the dying process and force the animal to be conscious through it.
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  2. Ibrahim Miya tone-trolling. there is only one "source" that has any weight. there is only one valid authority on the nature of reality - the science. anything else is superstition and worthless opinion that has no basis in empirical-observed, actually-happening reality. that i am right is all that matters, and the conclusions of science are all that matters when determining if i am right.
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  3. ***** "And that's why the western world gene manipulate pigs, chickens and cows" "muh evil monsanto GMO." read a science book. tu quoque logical fallacy. "Also they are trapped in a farm 24/7, getting force-fed," tu quoque logical fallacy. false dichotomy. it is not a case of "halal or corporate evilness" "their babys are take away from them." emotive argument and not based on reason. "Then they are masstransported and killed on a leaping band." what the fuck is a leaping band? "Bitch please, I don't like halal, but being that much of a hypocrite makes me dislike you more than halal." you do not know what "hypocrite" means. you do not understand how to conduct a reasonable dialogue. you do not understand the subject matter. "It's utterly disgusting in general how we massproduce animals to the point they're not even natural." appeal to nature logical fallacy and false dichotomy and tu quoque logical fallacy. read a damn book.
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  4. Ibrahim Miya "as a fact, there is nothing disliking about halal." halal causes immense amounts of sadistic suffering on the basis of religious superstition.  "Halal is simply misunderstood by many basically due to biases, prejudices, and hatred." so the entire scientific community is wrong.  "Halal is the healthiest source of products you can ever use." just like zamzam water, which is loaded with arsenic and plenty of other heavy metals? fuck off. "It I s not only restricted to slaughtering animals, but it extend to anything you can safely use that gives you highest level of safety and health benefits. Things such as dangerous drugs, alcaholism and many more;" handwaving. "we all agree that those are dangerous not only to the person using them, but to everyone around them. Do you think all the shootings, suicides, rapes...that are happening in the western world have no contributory factors?" equivocating religious slaughter with asceticism.  "What's leading people into committing such crimes despite the abundance at the possession, are mainly the non-halal things people force unto themselves." equivocation.  "Stay HALAL, Stay pure, natural, and healthy; and you'll be much happier with yourself." happiness metrics are rock-bottom in islamic countries whereas in the west where we engage in meaningless hedonism, happiness is highest. your statements are inconsistent with reality. islam (religiosity on the whole) correlates strongly with misery and suffering. most failed, backwards societies in the world today are islamic.
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  5. ***** read a damn book and come back, you beslubbering fucking troglodyte. if you want to engage in a socratic dialogue, come prepared. thats like volunteering to turn up to a 100m sprint and complaining because you are a cripple. fuck off cretin. 
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  6. defguy319 if you had actually read the thread, you would know that it is not true that the animal passes out immediately. the research has been done, as i have repeated literally dozens of times. the results are in. halal slaughter is cruel and the animal drowns in its own blood. read the thread.
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  7. Youssef Hamdy fuck off, you moron. read the thread. i know plenty about muslim "medical students". half of them reject evolution, which is the basis for all of life biology. which university do you attend? cairo? fuck off or read the thread.
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  8. MrHumanforlife says the guy that somehow does not know the difference between "your" and "you're". fuck off, you barely monolingual troglodyte. learn a fucking language if you want to convey anything other than ignorance.  unintelligible babble. keep pretending peer-reviewed papers and consensus of experts are my "opinion". hopeless moron. brain destroyed by religious drivel.
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  9. MrHumanforlife i run a youtube channel, you fucking imbecile. you are the one arguing with strangers on the internet to pass your time. i get money for what i do on youtube. get a grip.
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  10. MrHumanforlife drunken idiot.
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  11. MrHumanforlife what kind of question is that? what the fuck is wrong with you?
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  12. MrHumanforlife insecurity? call into my podcast and ask me where i get my news. until then, you can fuck right off, you worthless piece of internet offal.
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  13. rox mo "I'm pretty sure that getting asphyxiated, electrocuted or bolt stunned hurts."   no. this is why we use these. google them.  "The reason Kosher/Halal doesn't allow that to happen before the slitting of the the oesophagus/jugular is because otherwise the animal will be brain dead n its body does not function/react in the correct way." no. it is done because it is tradition. superstitious nonsense. "The correct way being that all the blood drains out and is therefore much cleaner as most contamination becomes present in the blood." this is irrelevant. all methods of slaughter involves draining the blood. "In terms of treatment prior to and during slaughter- Jewish and Muslim Slaughter houses ensure better standard of care, quality and kindness than others." red herring.   "If ur a vegan or vegetarian, u have ur own reasons for not consuming meat n I respect that." i am not. "But please do not let ur views against halal/kosher be for any other reason." i already gave my reasoning. fucking read some of my comments. "And as for 'ritual slaughter'- invoking the name of God doesn't make it ritual (that gives the image of aztec human sacrifice)." that would be a ritual by definition. "They invoke the name of their creator to attain consent to take the life of another creation of their creator, in order to ensure the meat is permissible to eat." it does nothing. superstitious, ritualistic nonsense.
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  14. dunnowy123 halal will be banned in the UK soon, especially with far-right populism on the rise. halal is the same as non-halal except the animal is tortured before it dies. 
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  15. dunnowy123 "No, it often tastes fresher" placebo. it isnt. "and I notice non-halal meat has a smell to it because of the blood." as i explained, the blood is drained in both cases. this is nonsense. "How it it tortured?" read the fucking thead. "The whole point is to slit the throat and kill it quickly." the whole point is that the animal is awake while it endures the trauma that causes it to die. read the thread. captive stun bolt is what people use when they want to kill it quickly without regard for superstition. read the thread. "That's the opposite of torture." killing it as quickly and painlessly as possible is the opposite of halal, which is torture by definition for the sake of superstition.  "Will it not work EVERY time? Maybe. But, so what?" so you are condoning unnecessary suffering and are a piece of shit. "Your in the business of slaughtering animals, it's not supposed to be easy." it is though. we have had the utility of  painless mechanisms for a very long time. captive stun bolt. "And...even if the far right does take power in the UK (BTW, how many seats do they have again?) the political backlash would be enormous. No way that's happening." the right has taken over the whole of europe, barring maybe some of scandinavia, but that is also changing. have you not been paying attention?  "In any case, you might as well ban meat all together, because it's all the same shit." false equivalency. in one case, an animal has a completely painless death, and in the other, an animal drowns in its own blood while it flails around frantically, experiencing an intense fight-or-flight response after having its arteries and trachea severed. "I'd rather advocate for the right of people to eat the meat their religion dictates that the "welfare" (and I put that in quotations because it's dubious) of animals." then you are just a shit person. you care more about pandering to pernicious human superstition than you do about welfare. "I'm sure the Netherlands and Denmark had alternative reasons for the ban and "animal rights" was only incidental." then you are stupid in addition to being a piece of shit.
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  16. dunnowy123 "Doesn't it often require multiple stuns to actually stun larger animals?" no. that would just be completely stupid. if that were the case, the stun bolt would me made more potent.   "And  why is slitting the throat and dropping the blood flow to the brain crueler?" i explained this already. the animal is conscious during the entire process. it drowns in its own blood while fully awake.   "Because it's hung and the blood drains down?" hanging upside down adds to the cruelty. it would compensate for the loss of blood pressure and ensure the animal is conscious for even longer.  "I see less opportunities for cruelty than we see with typical slaughtering methods." that is just completely stupid and flies in the face of all conventional understanding and every single piece of evidence. "From the methods are supposed to be used in halal, the animal seems to be treated better if they follow the actual rules." halal determines the method of slaughter, not the way the animal is raised. this is handwaving. red herring. "If an industry is poorly regulated, the standards won't be high regardless if they're slaughtered halal style or not." this is not relevant. red herring. "And just because the right takes power in continental Europe doesn't mean it's going to happen in the UK, which is quite different that most of Europe. Political mobilization on the part of minorities is a whole different ballgame, meaning a "takeover" by the BNP or any of far right party is unlikely." the european politic is shifting to the right. this is a banal statement. "BUT, in the end, I don't really care. I'm still going to eat me. Halal or non-halal. You keep getting worked up over this." then you are just a shitty person. you have conceded all notions of right/wrong suffering/wellbeing and just stated you dont care. irresponsible behaviour from an irresponsible and shitty person.
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  17. dunnowy123 and you spew fallacy after fallacy in barely passable english in the hope that something will get through, or stick. pathetic.
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  18. dunnowy123 you could care less? really? how much could you care less? tell me. this is the caliber of idiot i am dealing with.
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  19. dunnowy123 as long as all of your stupidity has been dealt with, i am happy to let the record stand.
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  20. ***** dont tell me what to do, simpleton. especially when nothing in your comment even remotely rresembles any attempt at reason or rationality. read a fucking  book.
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  21. ***** read the thread, you fucking idiot. how do you expect me to believe that you have read a book when you respond to a thread that you did not even fucking read?
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  22. ***** says the moron rehashing what has already been debunked in the thread in which it was debunked. fuck off.
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  23. ***** all of the scientific literature buttresses my position. you have nothing but prescribed superstitious nonsense. you can assert that what i provide is "media" and "articles" but that achieves nothing and it remains true that all of the evidence is on my side.
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  24. ***** says the person that ignores an entire thread and then pretends there is not a 100% consensus among the relevant experts that he is wrong. fuck off, you absolute clown. take your medication.
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  25. Brown man nonsense. histrionic gibberish. fuck off.
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  26. Brown man fuck yourself. you pulled one of the lowest moves possible in a dialogue, which was to assert emptily that i "hate muslims". give the single best piece of "evidence" for this disgusting assertion. i am calling you out - take responsibility for your burden of proof.  until you do, you are just a reprehensible, benighted piece of shit that does the equivalent of going around accusing people of being "islamophobes" and "racist" with zero basis whatsoever. it is a dishonest and pathetic histrionic whine tactic and anyone that is not a fucking clown can see straight through it. i bet you deliberately called yourself "brown man" (autistic as hell) just so you could pull the race card at any moment. waiting. expecting nothing because you are just a scumbag and know exactly what you are doing..
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  27. Brown man no attempt whatsoever to demonstrate that i hate muslims. 100% failure. take your largactil you absolute fucking imbecile - asking me to post my contact details on a youtube video. get a grip you fucking moron.
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  28. funnyguy796 no. read a book.
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  29. puttytat007 "Your an ignorant fool" with the first clause of your first sentence, you already demonstrated yourself to be an ironically illiterate moron. not worth any time.
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  30. puttytat007 no point trying with an illiterate hypocrite with no sense of irony.
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  31. ***** you dont understand what you are talking about at all. the amount of voltage is not what is used to cause insensibility, it is the location. we actually use this very mildly as a form of psychiatric  therapy in people with mental illness (it is called electroconvulsive therapy). electrodes are positioned around the brain and current is passed through the brain lobes. patients often describe it as going to sleep and then waking up with a slight headache. here is a video of people that are accidentally instantly rendered unconscious by a massive electrical shock to their brain and nervous system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_bQiTU04c you are essentially sitting there pretending the entire consensus of the world's physicians and neurologists are wrong when they conclude that electrical bath stunning (along with inert gas asphyxiation and captive bolt stunning) is a contender for being a part of the most humane process for slaughter that we can contrive, and that throat-slitting is in fact  the best and has been all along. even with 1400 years of technology at our disposal, you believe that your dark-age ritual is still the best. you are being ridiculous. you would have to believe there is a massive conspiracy among non-muslim scientists and experts to defame islam as being barbaric. it is absurd. you need to read more. you dont "lose consciousness due to blood loss". this is not like hemorrhaging from a wrist in a bathtub. the throat (area with high density of nerve endings and many tissue types) is slit from ear to ear with a knife. a very high percentage of animals killed using ritual slaughter are determined to have large quantities of blood in their lungs. they are hung upside down, which actually has the effect of increading blood pressure and keeping them sensible for even longer. these animals often drown in their own blood while fully aware that they have just been mortally wounded and that their life-blood is gushing from their neck. the panic response is acute which can be easily noticed from the intense, desperate flailing and consciousness often lasts for many minutes. this is cruel and barbaric to any informed and honest, rational agent. there is no argument to be had. just read more.
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  32. ***** that is what the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence suggests. ignore academic and scientific consensus at your peril.
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  33. os75 learn to construct a coherent fucking sentence you imbecile. do you honestly expect me to try to read that garbage? fuck off.
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  34. ***** i know how to capitalise sentences. i omit capitalisation and apostrophes to save time, and not due to unwilling ignorance. my writing is still completely legible and does not need to be deciphered, and my arguments actually work. 
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  35. os75 learn a fucking language if you want to convey anything other than ignorance.
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  36. os75 like i said, learn how to construct a fucking intelligible paragraph then come back. do you honestly expect me to read that?
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  37. Rahardi Kramadibrata see what? you linked the wikipedia page of a dead person.
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  38. os75 i know more about islam than you do, you moron. 90% of muslims havent even read their own qur'an, and i have. fuck off with your "check your privilege" bollocks. what i say is either accurate or it isnt, and you are not even attempting to show otherwise.
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  39. The BeardedChemist says the addled moron that still believes in the same magic wizard as his parents, a magic wizard that rewards credulous people with a magic wonderland with rivers of honey and milk. fuck off, you imbecile. your parents just happened to have picked the right religion when they were brainwashing you with it when you were a child, yeah, sure - believe that bollocks as well. dont call people "ignorant idiots" when you believe in laughable anti-scientific nonsense like religion.
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  40. The BeardedChemist you can tell what religion someone is by where they were born, or what race they are. religion is a pyramid scheme in which bullshit is brainwashed from parents to children. you are a butthurt arab on a video about halal. you are a muslim and have been ever since your stupid parents decided you were. i know that with certainty. almost makes it seem like religion is bullshit, doesnt it?
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  41. agnostic what? you arent telling me anything about what you believe, you are merely stating an epistemic qualifier. you dont even know what agnostic means you fucking idiot. read a damn book.
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  42. The BeardedChemist clueless idiot. anyone with the first clue about basic epistemology and basic logic understands that it is a true dichotomy to state that either someone believes in god, or it is not true that someone believes in god. theist or atheist.  if you believe in god, you are a theist. anything else, you are an atheist. agnosticism/gnosticism is about knowledge. atheism/theism is about belief. if you answer "do you believe" with "i lack knowledge", you have not answered the question and are displaying a child-level understanding of the issues. read a damn book, you fucking idiot. seriously. this is too easy to see through. you sound like this is your first time ever talking about these issues. "i am agnostic". read a fucking book you simpleton.
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  43. The BeardedChemist you joined the thread with nothing more than "what an ignorant idiot", embarrassed yourself by continuing to accuse of ignorance while repeatedly demonstrating a kindergarten-level understanding of basic epistemology, and then defaulted to laughable mumbled drivel that a child would scrawl. thinking i look better than you do, you fucking buffoon. been sitting staring at this thread for the past 10 minutes? exactly my point. shave your fucking beard you mug.
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  44. The BeardedChemist thats much better. almost makes you seem like youre not about to jump off a fucking bridge, but it does now have the effect of making you seem like an extremely butthurt and desperate creep, the sort that actually does have semen residue around his room.  i prefer this to the old you, anyway. keep trying and youll get there. i still recommend actually reading a fucking book soon, though. P.S. thumbing up your own comments further adds to the appearance of desperation - so you should try to ditch that habit. oh, you didnt know i could see that you did that? embarrassing.
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  45. Azim Nazlen "I was taught that if we did it with our own hand it shows respect to the animals." animals dont care about whether we respect them. they cant tell. you could dress an animal up in nice clothes and put perfume on it and it wouldnt give a shit. "And cutting of the veins in the neck will prevent pain." been debunked as garbage i dont know how many times.
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  46. arif kadir the qur'an and hadith both exist. i believe they exist. but like all holy books, they are bullshit. full of myths and falsities. 
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  47. Azim Nazlen the same can be said about harry potter. who gives a shit?
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  48. Jinxum E jesus probably never even existed, he was a composite character if he did. he died 2000 years ago anyway. dead people dont love.
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  49. Azim Nazlen "sorry but what part of Harry potter is true?" you want examples? most of it. plenty of it. the basic laws of thought hold true in harry potter. harry potter is merely a fictional version of the real world, just like the mythological world portrayed in the qur'an. "And 10 000 000 people around the world actually "give a shit".Myself including." the mindless religious people that were brainwashed into caring about it, care about it - great. tell the rest of us why we should.
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  50. Jinxum E he still loves me, even though he doesnt exist. right.
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