Hearted Youtube comments on Not A Pound For Air To Ground (@notapound) channel.
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My dad was a SAGE AIC and spent time in Canada (eh) running 101s and 102s. Several of their attack profiles were one-way, because they never pulled out of burner (running out of gas and bailing out was part of the plan)... and the track update time was four to eight seconds (on a good day) when only one of the consoles was active. If all four consoles were active and it was a bad day, it was more like 20-30 seconds.
After Canada he spent time in SEA controlling tankers (squadron motto: "We pass gas"). He told me a story of a 105 that asked for some gas on his way back south... every package and track was on a tight schedule, so butting in was frowned upon... "Are you declaring an emergency?" "Well, I'd rather not, but I could use the gas..." Dad squeezed him into the lineup, the 105 hooks up, and the boom operator keys up and says, "Uh, we got a problem here -- this guy is spewing gas about as fast as I can pump it in." Needless to say, an emergency was declared... decks were cleared, schedules were slipped, and the 105 stayed hooked to the tanker all the way home... disconnected, landed, and flamed out on rollout.
Story was he took a 57mm right through the engine; no idea why it kept running, or didn't just explode. The squadron got a case of scotch from the pilot.
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Thanks for making this. My dad flew (RO) the D/H/J models so I had him watch it. Here's his response:
"By far the most complete and accurate video on the 89 I have seen. The only tiny error I noticed, though not about the 89, was when he mentioned the interim F-94C, the picture was an F-94B. I knew the 89 was historic, but this video really brings this fact home, and I flew every version except the early gun armed models. Very possibly, I am the most experienced 89 crew member left in the world. I remember the first time I ever saw a Scorpion. The commander of AF ROTC at NMSY (Las Cruces) flew some 6 of us students to attend an AF ROTC conference at, I believe it was Peterson AFB, Colorado. While standing around on the ramp at Peterson an F-89D taxied by; I was very much impressed, not realizing at the time that I soon would be flying that aircraft. Incidentally, at that conference I met a general, don’t recall his name, maybe Scott, who had been a Flying Tiger. So in my lifetime I have met two Flying Tigers, him and Bonington."
What dad left out is that he flew the F-89D/H/J with the 76th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron at McCoy AFB. The 76th, along with the 74th and 75th FIS, are the descendant units of Claire Chennault's 1st American Volunteer Group (nicknamed Flying Tigers). So, not only did he meet two of the Tigers, he technically flew with them too. They fly A-10s now, and retain the original patch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Fighter_Squadron#/media/File:76th_Fighter-Interceptor_Squadron_-_Emblem.png
Dad's next assignment was as "scope wizard" in the F-101B. It'd be fantastic if you could review this next. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of providing information, if you do. (FYI, his later assignments were RF-4C (100 Missions N Vietnam), and the F-111A/F)
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Back around the same year, a small general aviation aircraft, maybe a Taylorcraft Auster, took off by itself (the pilot for some reason, had got out of the cockpit) near Sydney NSW. It climbed steadily then levelled out, heading for a heavily populated area. The RAAF were called out to shoot it down while that could still be safely done. The fighters, which I think were Gloster Meteors with cannon, couldn't slow down enough to get a good shot, so aborted the effort. Eventually, they sent up an old Wirraway ( first cousin to a NA Texan), with a guy in the back seat with a Bren gun.That worked!!
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There was another event in the late 1950s that exposed a gaping flaw in the US military's preferred fighter aircraft, when they were put to the test against surrogates of the Warsaw Pact's most numerous fighters. During Project Feather Duster, the F-100 Super Sabre, F-102 Delta Dagger, F-104 Starfighter, F-105 Thunderchief, and the newly-introduced F-4 Phantom II were pitted against what were judged to be the most similar aircraft in the US inventory to the Mig-17 Fresco and Mig-21 Fishbed; the F-86H Sabre and the F-5.
The F-86H and F-5 took all the other aircraft to the woodshed.
The outcome of Feather Duster was quickly and quietly walked-away from, systemically un-learned, and seldom mentioned again by the establishment --- despite the fact that it foresaged how poorly the US military's new fighters would fare against the Mig-17 and Mig-21 in the Vietnam War, which was only a few years away. In 1972, all US aircraft of all types achieved only 34 kills against VPAF fighters, while VPAF Mig-21s shot-down 54 US aircraft (not even including VPAF Mig-19s and Mig-17s, which also achieved another 4 victories between them, despite both the Mig-17 and Mig-19 being armed only with guns in VPAF service). By the time the competence of active VPAF pilots had overtaken the maximum possible competence of US pilots (VPAF pilots fought all tours of duty as pilots, while US pilots were forced to take a desk job every other tour, causing the skills of US pilots to atrophy from a lack of regular practice), US airpower operating within range of Migs was in big trouble.
(Gee, how could we POSSIBLY have seen it coming?)
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This is a great channel, my new favorite! I have been silently wishing that you might one day do a deep-dive video about the SAGE system (development, deployment, etc.) because it seems right up your ally, but a retrospective on the Deuce is a fine substitute until that day arrives. As jet fighter history nerd, I've always been more enamored of the F-106 because it was a "better" aircraft in every way (not surprisingly, since it was the perfection of the 102), but I have recently come to appreciate the Deuce more because, of the two, it was by far the more important aircraft. The F-102 was deployed in far greater numbers and constituted the backbone of ADC at a time when the bomber threat was the paramount concern for homeland defense. By the time the F-106 went into service, the entire concept of large-scale bomber interception was being shelved due to the advent of the Soviet ballistic missile threat, and the Ultimate Interceptor came along essentially too late to fit into the overall strategic plan. Deterrence/mutually assured destruction became the answer to the threat of nuclear attack, and multirole fighters like the F-4 were a better use of resources than dedicated interceptors, expensive and limited as they were. Thanks for another enjoyable and informative video.
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Wow - I have two markers, one - his book - and two personally listening to him, Bob Titus, Billy Kidd (F-8 driver), my father and Ralph Parr hash this out for at least 30min. Parr was not only a 10 kill ace in Korea, but IIRC was part of GUNVAL when F-86E/F modified with 20mm cannon in 1953.
His major bitch - Olds did not argue against internal gun - ever. He talked long and eloquently on this subject with Bob Titus, my father and Billy Kidd on the absolute requirement (for Internal gun) due to the miserable reliabilty of the missiles, particularly the A-4. The conversation at was the American fighter Aces Reunion in Dallas, 67. He DID have concerns regarding quality of air to air training - that would lead inexperienced fighter pilots to draw conclusions that they could dogfight MiG 17/19 and 21s, so that part of the story rings true.
I don't know Blesse and have no reason to doubt conversations or the incidents referencing him. I also know personally that Olds was not a fan of Momyer.
Olds hated the pods - claiming they were worthless for air to air due to the vibration caused dispersion.
I may have to listen again, but thought I heard Olds referred to as General in his discussions with Col Blesse? Olds was a senior (to Blesse) Bird Col in Vietnam. Made General as he went to AFA as den mother,
I enjoyed the presentation but feel a little too much was made of confrontations between Blesse and Olds - but then I wasn't there.
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