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My rule for young people: Buy any vehicle with cash, do not take a loan. Shun debt, it is a killer. Buy a car you can afford and drive it until it drops. Make car payments into a bank account, saving for a condo, house, townhouse, whatever. Don't "invest" in depreciating assets, like a car. Get a home, stop the annual rent increases, the mortgage that is painful now will be fine after a few years of inevitable inflation. After that it gets easier. Grabbing for too much too soon in your life can damage your life. Yeah, a shiny new car would be nice, but in the long run it will be a hindrance when you go to buy a home and find that your debts limit your options and hike your interest rate.
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My dad owns a 17 Tacoma sport in silver color. He wanted to check out the new taco, so today we went to the local dealership to checkout a silver 4x4 sport with the TRD upgrade package. MSRP was 52k and change, plus a few grand more on some BS add ons from the dealership. My dad just retired, and he happened to really like this new taco, but unfortunately, he cannot afford the new truck at about 55k plus taxes and financing on top of that. He is keeping his 17 taco, either way, his truck has 30k miles. I my self have 17 taco pro, I like the new truck as well. But these damn prices are ridiculous for a mid size truck. But I agree with what you are saying, my next truck or vehicle, might not be a Toyota.
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Listen to me people, if any of you will:
I'm retired military. I only bring home 95K a year. I'm just throwing it out there. I own a home back in North Carolina, and I was able to give that to my grown daughter when she turned 18. I rent another home...AT THE BEACH in South Carolina. I may buy down here, I may not. I may choose to buy again in Florida, or at the outer Banks. Point is, I paid two grand a month for rental house right now, on top of paying the mortgage on the one I own. We live very comfortably. We live extremely comfortably.
Here's the secret: Stop comparing your monthly payment to the price of other things. Compare the whole price of something you may buy, to your immediate out-of-pocket cost for something You already own.
My truck is a 2006 ram mega cab 4x4. Yep, in two years my truck will be old enough to drink.
Because I wasn't comparing the cost of making it new again to the cost of a monthly payment on something new. When it was time to replace the engine, and it was going to cost me 10 grand including the labor... I did not compare that 10 grand to what I would have to make in a payment on a new truck. I compared that 10 grand to the 80 grand that the dealership wants for a new truck.
The 10 grand was a steal. I actually spent another 10 repainting it, redoing the interior, and upgrading the electronics. I could have skipped that... But I'm financially comfortable enough or I didn't have to.
I have a brand spanking new 2006 truck... And I got it for 60 grand less than a new truck.
Think this way in all things, and you will find your standard of living increasing dramatically over the next few years.
"This is the best deal you're ever going to get." Well...no... Not buying it at all is the best deal I ever going to get. Not buying it at all costs me nothing. The next time it needs an alternator that I can put on myself, or a transmission that I have to pay somebody to put in... It's still a better deal than buying a new truck.
I sold cars for a few years. I was a finance manager at a car dealership after a year of selling on the lot. I know all the games, the Foursquare, all of it.
Don't be bedazzled by that nonsense. Compare the total cost, and that includes the cost of the interest you have to pay if you would take out a loan (The statement you're asking for is the truth in lending statement, and it is illegal for anyone to write you alone without generating that document).
You don't need a new truck. You may want a new truck. And when you start off with that mentality, it doesn't matter whether the salesman and the sales manager think it's a great deal or not.
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People still saying that are just feverish fanboys coping and lying to themselves.. fuck this truck until it’s 50k for the TRD Pro like it was supposed to be and like their direct competition, and if that never happens then it’s fuck this truck for the remainder of its life cycle. Come out with a solid product with pricing that is reflected by the massive savings you’re getting by moving production to Mexico. Until then, I repeat, fuck this stupid idea of a truck. For 48k you can get a 2 wheel drive Tacoma with manual cloth seats, baby screen, weak no tread tires, no features, made in Mexico, or you can get a Colorado ZR2 with all the features as standard, big screens, leather heated and cooled power seats, sliding rear window, Quality MT tires, premium off road suspension, lift, better styling, more features, produced right here in Missouri. Someone please tell me how Toyota is going to sell a midsize truck for 20 grand more than their competition, the same year they moved production of said truck fully to Mexico.. how is Chevy manufacturing trucks in the U.S. and selling them for 30% less msrp than Toyota who’s manufacturing in Mexico for pennies on the dollar? I’m about to sour on Toyota completely, they are lucky that someone somewhere is still doing an okay job with the Land Cruiser, and after this debacle my expectations for that have dropped significantly. I was excited about this generation of Tacoma and instantly regretted it once they started arriving. This generation is bogus, the Tacoma is bogus, and Toyota are kind of rat bastards for the shit they’re pulling if I’m being honest, idk about you guys but I don’t like giving my hard earned money to rat bastard companies.
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Your title is not wrong. I am Japanese living in Canada. Before my family came to Canada, my father had a corporate career with Toyota for 17 years, and he has been disappointed with Toyota's current choices and direction, particularly with their 4x4s and North American market. He says their "global platform" might save on production costs, but it is a bad idea, long term. Alienating regular customers kills any business. If someone dislikes the turbo 4 cylinder in the Taco, it takes every other Toyota mid-sized 4x4 off their potential buy list. The English saying " Never put all of your eggs in one basket" is learning the hard way. Toyota limit R&D funding to develop 4x4 platforms, especially for North America. The 6th gen 4Runner was designed by Toyota America. Toyota is now just selling Too many different name badges on one platform. Too many! Every Land Cruiser, the 6th gen 4Runner, new Tacoma, GX, LX etc. They are ALL the same now. The mid-sized GX 550 is apparently heavier than the "full-sized" LC 300 Series.
Unfortunately Toyota has become like American manufacturers and just leveraging popularity of name badges, slapping popular names on anything, rather then respecting what these brands are supposed to be...
The 6th gen Toyota was an after thought... I understand my dad's disappointment
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I totally agree with you.
I did have plan to buy a new car a few years ago. My 2007 Honda minivan had +250K miles on it and started having some components problems because of wear and torn. Since its engine and transmission are still in good condition... Rather than spending money to buy a brand new minivan (2021 Sienna), I invested my money into my existing van and have a local service shop to do the repair (New suspension, 6 coil packs and spark plugs, new AC condenser, new radiator and cooling fans, new starter, new battery, new engine mounts, new brake pads, and changed all the oils needed.) I did spend +3K for repair so far since 2021 but as of today, it run like new and has +281K miles on it. Sure I'll still looking for a new minivan but not today, not for a while. I will keep my Odyssey in good shape and drive carefully for a few more years or until the dealership gives a reasonable price on its cars MSRP.
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My wife and I just purchased a 2025 Kia Seltos S pretty handsomely fitted with extras for $25K and the Invoice price was $28,500. Not a huge difference, but good enough for my wife's liking. The dealership experience was very good and there wasn't a haggling or pushing over the price. We're very happy with the purchase and the vehicle. We looked at GMC, Chevy, and Ford products and were not impressed with some aspects and the pricings, for instance, Chevy Trax and Trail Blazer: Price is very close to what we were looking for $25K but I wasn't interested in a 3 cylinder turbo 1.1 or 1.2 engines; They put out some decent power but I know from experience how troublesome a turbo'd engine can be. I also watched a video and the Mechanic said that GM was using Polymer parts in some steering and suspension components where there should be steel or metal parts, a cost saving measure but potentially safety risk issue in his and my opinion. Also, there were other things that sort of peaked my interest that were concerning as far as quality control. I loved the styling and looks, but they didn't seem worth the money or time investment. So we passed. The best price we could find on a 2024 / 2025 Ford Escape was nowhere close to 25K; My wife didn't want to budge (She is Korean). So, we decided to go with the Seltos @ 48 months financing at 7.2%. I know that Kia uses an IVT transmission married to the 2.0 engine, but the problems they had with them have been fixed now for a few years, and what the heck! The SUV will be paid off in 4 years and the warranty will go for 10 years as we don't drive more than 4K in a year--so we're covered. The price was my wife's main focus: She didn't want to go over 25K! She stuck to her price, and we got a pretty decent compact SUV. She's happy, and that's really all that matters to me. Merry Christmas to all and I hope the upcoming New Year has all the best in store for you and your family. Cheers Everyone!
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For a guy who buys and sells vehicles so often, i think this is a good move. As reliable as Toyota's are, its kinda moot if you're swapping vehicles out very often. Hot take, the big 3 just make nicer trucks than Toyota . Sure, maybe not as reliable, but still nicer. The f150, Ram 1500 and Silverado/Sierra ive all test driven several times, and the tundra just isnt as refined as any of them. Which makes sense, the big 3 rely more heavily on their full size lineup in their business model then toyota does, so they have a bigger budget to sink into them. Mike sweers himself has admitted that Toyota doesnt have the scalability or the budget that the domestic's have in this segment and they arent trying to attain that and it shows.
The zr2 is a nice truck man, life's short. Enjoy that beast.
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Said-no. Waited a week, asked for another price: $3,000, said NO…
Waited another week, in FL, then they phoned, they can do it for $2,000,:which is the avg cost.
They offered me $12,000, on a trade. They had the same year, same Highlander miles, lessee model, on their lot for
$21,000….. done with Toyota. Trubo, 4cyl, complicated hybrids, high priced, green credits: been a good run. It is over…..Sad.
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My take on the crash. The economy has skyrocketed farther up than it ever has at anytime in history. The saying is still true...."the bigger they are; the harder they fall". The world economy is in dire straits. Look at China, Germany, the UK, most of Europe, India's money is freefalling currently. Canada is in trouble financially and politically. Our economy is tied to this world economy. We are all going to go down. We, the USA has the king dollar so we always fall last. When that fall comes, we have the furthest to go. That will drag the stock market down and that will be the final nail in this coffin. Trump cannot save us from this happening. Many more businesses will fail. Prices will have to crash to be able to scoop up pennies. So the prices will be across the board, but coming down they are on houses, cars, food, insurance, electric...you name it and it MUST come down. The question is when? No one knows that but a few elites as they will determine the crash. It has been held back, but a tidal wave can only be held for so long. The flood will come and wash many of us away. Hang on.
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Tactics aside, I give credit to this GM for being willing and open to have this discussion in such a transparent way.
Additionally, I can say that his people were really amazing a number of years back when my Dad (who lives in Montana, I live in California mind you) had his 1983 Tan Toyota Pickup finally give out after nearly 600k miles. That said, he was bummed and it kicked me into gear to find him a Quicksand Toyota Tacoma 2013, a Certified Used vehicle, and they were amazing top to bottom with the transaction which was a lot tougher than someone walking in off the street wanting to buy it would be. They were able to put it in his name (with my Mom’s help with documents), helped me in getting a lifetime service contract setup with the local to Montana dealer, and were able to deliver it on a truck bed to their very rural home.
I couldn’t imagine anyone let alone a group effort being so accommodating, foreseeing possible snags and helping to smooth them out before they happened, and it made for an amazing experience and resulted in my getting a 2013 FJ Cruiser in Quicksand a few years later :)
Thanks for the vid as well!! Doing the work of the journalists while they argue over identity politics and orange man bad, smh…
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I hate this back and forth BS, if I like something I make a straight offer. For example, that I25 package, I'd pay $6k for it if I actually liked the style, if they decline, I'd just walk.
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Toyota tech here, Congrats my brother, Best of the Best right there, I have 3 Trd Pro 4Runners, I’ll never sell one, Got A 24 towed it to storage and hide it from my self and the world, Just started making YouTube videos also, Just did a off road now doing a another 4Runner engine complete tear down with only 20k miles check it out, don’t let that scare you click that white tool box, trans engine everything out cleaning every pieces by hand Going to showcase All Toyota engines and show the world what I can do, Respect what you do take care
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Car Dealer in College Town in Northeast: Congrats on sale.
Last comment I made on your video I said my inventory had lost 20% of its value on 2/3 of the cars, mostly Toyotas and Hondas.
In 2008 and 2009, with people losing jobs and credit tightening, people started to sell off their "toys." It got difficult because EVERYONE was trying to do the same thing, which is smart to do it now. This would be true without the dream house scenario in play. You can always buy another Raptor down the road.
I drive a 2006 Toyota Highlander with 174,000 miles that I bought for $6,000 three years ago that I just put new tires, brakes and rotors all around, so I plan to keep it awhile.
Houses are more important, you can always get a Toyota beater as a second car. This was a smart play, you essentially broke even on the Raptor. Watch the movie "The Big Short " - it will bring clarity to your decision. 😊
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Good to finally see a Toyota youtube guy telling the truth and not just drinking the kool aid. I paid (too much, but I wanted the Pro), 54K for my used 2020 Tundra Pro with 47k miles on it in June of 2023, about the same price it sold for brand new. The day I bought it from the Toyota dealership in Alabama, they sold a 2023 Tundra Pro for over 70K. There is no justification for Toyota to raise the price that high. So called "improvements" should not come with any increase quite frankly, since most of us have waited forever for them to "update" the Tundra. But the only notable improvements I see are the rear coil suspension, better quality sound system and screen size, and nicer interior bed. There is a minor increase in towing and tiny increase in mpg. All that with likelihood that the turbo 6 will not have the same long life, even though it's a Toyota. These things don't justify a $20K price markup. On top of that, the front end is just ugly as hell unless everything is blacked out and who wants to spend the money on that? Then the worst is that if you put an aftermarket lift on it, you void the freaking warranty.
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What’s the current count of vehicles since the white Tacoma trd pro? I can count 12?
Tacoma, Tacoma, Tacoma, raptor, raptor, FJ, FJ, Tundra, 4 Runner, ram (lol why?), land cruiser (who gets rid of a car meant to last forever in 4 months?) , upcoming vehicle (I’m guessing tundra or 4 runner)
Dude when you write it all out like that , that’s insane! Think of alllllllll that time spent lol.
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Here are the reasons I've written the Tacoma off from my shopping list despite wanting a Toyota truck for most of my life:
1. Price - It's too high. Can I afford it? Yes...but do I want to pay what a 2B/2B townhome cost us in 2008 for a depreciating asset? Absolutely not. Especially when you consider it has....
2. Poor build quality. The Mexico plant hasn't gotten their stuff together yet. I could accept a few minor issues but the problem is that Toyota has....
3. Poor dealer experience. All of my local Toyota dealerships are simply awful to buy from and have service done. I suspect that on a newer vehicle with much newer tech I'll be using my warranty a lot more, and after reading a lot the horror stories from recent Tundra owners online it makes me believe that Toyota has...
4. Questionable reliability. I've had a number of Toyotas. Most have been good, but not all of them. The new engine's reliability is unproven, and the build quality of the Tundra engine was terrible. I simply can't say for certain that Toyota is the torchbearer of reliability anymore. Even if it is, I still don't like the....
5. Cheap feel: The interior is full of rock hard plastics, and a design that feels like it belongs in a video game. I wasn't impressed by the limited models interior either. Also they're loud on the highway. Not as bad as a Corolla circa 2014-15, but still loud. I know that's a personal thing. But what isn't subjective is the...
6. Missing features compared to the competition: It may not apply to most people, but I benefit from AUTO / AWD modes like on the Colorado, Canyon, Ridgeline, and Ranger. It's useful to me. Even if it had it though, one last thing that bothers me is the...
7. Towing squat: What is it with Toyota trucks and squatting far more than their rivals when towing the same weight? I tow a boat once or twice a week. I shouldn't need a weight distributing hitch for an 18' bass boat.
I'm going to be fair and say there are elements of the Tacoma I really like. I think it looks good. I like the bed. I'm not opposed to a hybrid if it's reliable. Toyota sub components, in my personal experience, have been more reliable then other brands. But also see 3 again if something does break.
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I've seen many channels talk on this subject and I belive you all are missing something. Have you ever looked at Harley Davidson dealerships and manufacturing. Look at their history, back in the 1980's demand for their bikes went through the roof. We dedicated Harley owner's called it the yuppie craze. Every suit wanted one and the price for one dubled. People were demanding that HD add more assembly lines to their plants, they didn't do it. When the yuppie craze was over HD survived, their company is still doing well. They have a good relationship with their dealerships why? I say it's because of low production rates that keep demand high, so dealerships want to stay in good standings with manufacturing which gives more control to HD over the dealerships. Auto dealerships are doing what they want, they are in control and destroying the auto brands names. Watch Ford, Jim Farley tried to get the steelerships under control and it did not work. Now after the UAW strike he has loaded the dealerships down with cars which puts a high cost on their floor plan. This will do two things, one they don't need more vehicles built so they can lay off workers right after a strike. Two with dealerships having the high cost of their floor plan (interest rates are high) and vehicles sales are slow this will force steelerships to drop prices and/or go out of business. We have already seen this in the used vehicle steelerships, they are starting to drop like flies. I believe if you want a new vehicle timing will be everything. Because in the end HD never really dropped their prices after the yuppie craze and they are still selling them. I also think that this will reduce the amount of dealerships overall. Our town of about 700,000 people don't need 3 Ford dealerships when we only have one HD dealership. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion.
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Man, I was on the fence about both too! I kept going back and forth, debating. What made it even more difficult, was the very limited supply of TRD Pros, because that’s what I wanted. The thing that killed the Tacoma for me, and why I went with the 4Runner TRD Pro, was the lack of interior space (after just owning a Ram crew cab for 8 years). I finally got to test drive a Tacoma TRD Pro, and I liked it, but my fiancé kind of gave me the “meh” face and told me that she thought the truck was “dinky.” Lol
I ordered myself a ‘21 4Runner TRD Pro, and I’m not looking back. It’s roomy, tough as nails and also approved by the better half. Hahaha
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New to your channel. Used car dealer in Northeast. Mainly Toyotas and Hondas from 2011 to 2021. RAV4s biggest seller. Occasional Highlanders, many Camrys, Corollas, and Civics.
While there is another YouTube channel that goes to different new car lots I have seen in your history you are VERY familiar with new Toyota Trucks, so price comparison with Car Max is interesting. Not familiar with their business model, the nearest one to me is Hartford, CT. I guess the appeal is many different types of vehicles in one place, maybe multiple financing sources, and good values given in trade ins.
Our Tacomas / Tundra sit for long time. 2012 Honda Civics very popular, even later 2017 - 19 Civics are popular for us. Good first car for many starting out in life. Nissan Versas Note and Sentras also popular with 1st time / frugal buyers.
We stay from Jeeps. At once were popular, but proven unreliable. Wranglers overpriced, often junk.
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Had a 2000 4 Runner Limited that I absolutely loved. Drove it until our burgeoning family outgrew it. Went to an ‘04 Sequoia, put 175k on it & bought a ‘16 LC(still have), and added a ‘21 Platinum Tundra 2 months ago and a ‘23 Rav for my college bound daughter. Also retained my ‘20 LS500 FSport which replaced my ‘08 LS 460 that was, regrettably, totaled. All got started w/ my ‘99 GS350😊. Guess I’m solidly a Toyota guy, and I’ve never looked back. Will prob add another Rav to the fleet next year when my youngest daughter goes to college. I do still have my Dad’s 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo (125k miles, garaged) & my G-father’s ‘63 GMC, 4-on-the-floor, 3/4t, 4x4 w/ a 305 big-bore Hercules V6 engine w/ 77k original miles on it, also garaged (they’re both deceased now). Short way of saying, I have car issues.😂
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I have a long history with Land Cruisers, bumping around in my dad’s FJ40 as a kid, getting into what we call overlanding now in the early ‘90’s and running an FJ60, then an 80 series I built and used for 20 years, another 60 series, an FJ Cruiser, a hundred series, have spent time with a built 200 series…. Plus other Toyota products and other brands off-roading over the years and doing epic trips on other continents, even getting to present at the original overland ExPo’s and I always feel like the minority when I am skeptical of overly complex new vehicles. I pretty much share all of your views on these new turbo, gas, hybrid Toyotas on this platform. The Toyota bro’s try to calm me out when I bring them up in the inner webs but the concerns are legitimate and let’s be honest, a lot of those opinionated fan boys always want the latest and greatest Toyota and never own them long term. Having owned several Land Cruisers to higher mileage I can’t fathom the upkeep, fiend repairs, and long term ownership costs of any of these new TNGF platform products past 10-15 years. Thats not taking into account what happens or fails potentially prior to that. I was skeptical and the issues with the 3.4 in the Tundra/Sequoia, and Lexus products doesn’t disprove my concerns. We were looking to get a new vehicle last fall for my wife. It was going to serve as my wife’s daily, a replacement for a Land Cruiser for family adventures off the beaten path and something we would own and use hard for 10-20 years. There really wasn’t any other options that fit the bill other than the 5th gen. I had a first gen 4Runner back in the mid ‘90’s and frankly felt it was a bit of a rattle trap, durable enough but cheap feeling. Never had been a big 4 runner guy but tried the 5th gen and fell in love. So we picked up a new 5th gen nicely discounted in the exact spec we wanted and have zero regrets. Everything is relative so seeing 20-22 on the highway even on AT’s is great to me given what built old school Cruisers got. The new Cruiser was released last year and considered that as an option but as more details came out we figured if we are going to get a Prado, just get the proven one that is fully refined and sorted. That being said, given what we know with the new GX, Land Cruiser, and 4Runner…. In 5-10 years if the drivetrains hold up, I think I might consider one. The 1958 in UN white and base duece looks great to me. The new 4Runner is somehow bigger and more cramped j side than the Cruiser and just looks too gimmicky. The Lexus has no appeal to me. But I also think my favorite 4wd of all times is an FJ60 so I guess take that with a grain of salt I lean towards more simple, mechanical if not agricultural vehicles. So for me the 5th gen 4Runner is so refined feeling, comfortable and just very well built feeling. Not to mention the non TRD Pro versions have an incredible ride quality if you live in the sticks and drive off-road slot like we do. I also think the horsepower race in these kind of vehicles is silly. It’s a lumbering 4wd, how much acceleration does one need? A 5th gen at sea level does 0-60 in the 7 second range, that is plenty to pass and hold grades. Lastly, I totally agree on all the nanny safety tech. The blind spot monitoring and lane keep stuff is too intrusive and another level of complexity and cost. I know how to use my mirrors and drive between the lines, no thanks. I spent a couple of weeks driving a new Sprinter based Story Teller Overland rig this past winter and the way that thing freaked out, hit the brakes and tried the steer when I was trying to avoid wildlife on the road or just the snow covering the lines in the road made it freak out was completely and wholly unacceptable. And to defeat it disables your use of cruise control. So yeah, not a fan of that stuff in general either. Thanks for the review and opinions on the new Cruiser. It’s refreshing to get people who can see past the excitement of a new product and cover the real things that matter.
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Great vid… look, it’s simple…we need to go back to a pre-pandemic car industry, car market conditions because what these greedy corporates are doing is completely backfiring on them, assembly line workers, dealerships…and the American consumers…we need to go back to quality made vehicles that truly equate to the amount of money/investment by the consumer…quality by way of again being made here in the US, not outside, fair pricing, reliable vehicles, traditional powertrain platform…because another reason US buyers aren’t buying these cars is because their purchase no longer supports American workers when car manufacturers outsource to poor countries where quality is apparently not a factor…at least according to…well…Gen 4 Tacoma owners..many who have posted vids showing their trucks made with cheaper materials, poor assembly quality, and at a price that just doesn’t make sense…especially when Toyota SAVES money on cheap, foreign labor pay…but instead of passing along savings to the consumers..like how other products, most of em made in China…are affordable because of foreign, cheap labor production…Toyota corporates jack the price up at ridiculous proportions….so yur paying what you can’t or barely can afford, and all your money is now getting you less vehicle because of poor quality, not to mention these ridiculous turbo platforms that “overdrive” these small displacement engines that are gonna have no chance at reaching 100k miles…so at this point, you’re basically throwing money out the window when in 10 years or less yur gonna need a new vehicle…it’s just a horrible time to buy a car, hands down!!! The $40k Frontier pickup, naturally aspirated 6 cyl 4x4 is exactly!!!’ EXACTLY what we need to go back to…the fact that dealerships are going broke because their inventory is sitting endlessly on lots, production jobs lost due to outsourcing and greedy corporate MSRPs causing brand new vehicles to basically rot because either we refuse to pay those ridiculous prices after all things mentioned above, or probably more frequently, people just can’t afford those prices…it’s just insane, never heard of consumer punishment as far as I’m concerned….it’s just more greed on top of already existing greed “laying waste”to middle Americans…and honestly, who wants a vehicle sitting on the lot for months on end, out in all the “elements”…do dealers even drive any of em to keep them in running condition?? who’s begun thinking Americans are stupid and will just simply say…after everything I just said above…” oh well, I’m gonna buy anyway” …🤷♂️…I guess if there are those who are gonna pay those prices anyways, greedy companies are gonna to continue to get away with those asking prices causing the major of us (middle Americans) to suffer without🫤
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The cost of materials and labor have risen, but more importantly people paid the dealer mark-ups!! If a 4Runner sales for more than MSRP, the manufacture will adjust the MSRP (Dealers won't get all the candy). Also, Toyota is ramping up the cost of the 4Runner so the increase in price for the 2025 model won't seem as dramatic. (hint: it will be more expensive the the 2024 Land Cruiser).These are the price increases for the TRD Off Road since 2017.
2017- $39,295
2018- $39,895 = 1.5% increase
2019- $40,395 = 1.3% increase
2020- $42,570 = 5.4% increase
2021- $43,325 = 1.8% increase
2022- $44,880 = 3.6% increase
2023- $46,580 = 3.8% increase
2024- $47,130 = 1.2% increase
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First off thanks for the honest review, but I have to disagree agree on some of it. Previous gen Tundra owners did a lot of complaining about the 2nd gen being so plain and can't keep up with the other manufacturers for years. Now when Toyota does a ground up, in and out renewed and highly updated tundra, now they complaining about how they wished it was done better, how Toyota still didn't do enough, how they look and feel cheap, how they are overpriced. It cost a heck of a lot more to build these vehicles now than it did just a couple of years ago. Everything is overpriced..they cant give us a 2022 at a 2020 price at this time..and Good lord I'm tired of hearing about that dang "wastegate issue"...That wasn't even a big deal, just a couple of isolated unfortunate events. 95% of new tundra owners haven't even had that problem...including me. My point is, some people (not directly at you) just gotta have something to complain about. My Tundra is doing just fine, I don't feel like it's cheap. It still feels just as reliable as past tundras and I am very grateful that they actually stepped up with all the new technology and specs. I think they did a excellent job at making these trucks, even for a 1st year. I remember when the 2nd came out and people gave that one hell because it had issues at 1st, then suddenly it became the best full size truck in the world..so much so they cant even except the new change 😂 . But anyway..Im a big fan of your channel and continue to keep up the great content!
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It's Beautiful! It's Awesome! I agree with Everything you said. You don't have to justify the cost, just as long a you are Happy. Unfortunately, in our current age, nice cars, Trucks & SUV's (are) costing around 100k these days for the Nice ones. Congratulations! ...I ment to tell you that I came from a family of 4 children. I am the oldest of 4 boys. I'm absolutely certain that your new business will be a success, because my parents struggled, when we were kids, and now my parents are doing Great., better than me. I have a few co workers (also Veterans),just like us, and they also have tricked out Jeeps. Congratulations! You've Earned this! Enjoy it!
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First...aewsome channel! Here's my tire history on my 17 PRO. Keep in mind I'm from Montana and tow lots of toys year round(atvs, 18ft deep V boat, 18ft travel trailer, jumping jack trailer, snowmobile, etc.). OEM Michelins, put 15k on them when blown two tires same day hunting in MT. Overall usable tire, but if any off-road, buy different asap! Bought 275/70R18 Ridge Grappler. Put 49k on them, great on road, descent off-road and snow. At 25k-30k they no longer were good in snow n road noise increase. Next was Yokohama Geolander X-AT(295/70R18). Great off-road, good on road(not as good as RG), snow was descent until thread life decreased and slide on black ice, road noise louder then RG. Where it fail was durability/longevity. Only 33k and had 4/32 thread life. Now riding on 295/70/R18 Toyo Open Country AT3. Only 4500 miles but would say these are the best thus far. Time will tell but to be honest all new tires are always great, it's when they are 15k-25k that you'll know if they will be repeat tires! All tires rotate religiously at 5k each time.
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As a long time Toyota customer, I agree with you 100%. I've owned a Toyota Corolla, a Toyota Sequoia, a Toyota Rav4. I am looking for something more premium and always wanted a Lexus, but with these current Lexus line up , No thanks! Not even the GX 550. And Any of the new Toyota, no thanks also, not even the Sequoia, not even the new Land Cruiser. I really don't know what I'm going to get now, thinking of Tahoe or Yukon, but I hate those low rear knuckles.
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Hey Untamed. Great move, getting a home now with interest rates low is for sure the best move for the family. For whatever its worth, a couple of points. I myself recently downsized from 3 vehicles to 2 for the family, and I couldn't be happier. Long story short, less $ tied up in cars, less headaches and things to worry about. You may or may not remember but I traded my 19 Tundra TRD Pro for a 21 Cruiser base. I loved my Tundra just as you did, awesome truck. I put 24k miles on it before the trade. But, now that I have 7k mi on the LC, it's a different experience altogether and I have no regrets at all. If you don't get into a LC when you get settled in at the new home, I'm sure you'll find a better family vehicle than the 4runner (which is awesome for sure, but you'll find something that has a little more space compared to the Taco). There are many great options out there and on the horizon (Grand Wagoneer??? ;) )
Keep up the great content!
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So here's how I justified my beat down haha. By the time I realized it was too late to buy a '21 Lunar Rock TRD Pro for msrp (as i waited for "the world beater"), the new '21's were going for 66K. A month prior they were 58.5K. I couldn't justify paying nearly 10K more for a truck I could have had at msrp just a month prior, so I bought what I really wanted, the voodoo blue trd pro. I got raped and pillaged but at least I got the voodoo blue I always wanted, and I justified my being utterly raped.....and pillaged, by at least getting that color. Basically I looked at it like a collector, like buying a Honda S2000, you pay "too much" but not really, because it's rare and it's what you want. Makes no sense but it just is what it is.
Anyway that's how I sleep at night and I've never regretted it. In fact I bask in the glory every day that I did it. At least I'm not taking it to the dealer every other week for recalls and failures. It's what I wanted and I paid the price. Could I have gotten it in '19 for less? Yes. But that was then, this is now. That's it, done.
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The issue is also with used vehicles, here in British Columbia, Canada, if you try to get a 1999 Honda Civic Si or SiR, your looking at $5-8,000. That's insane, of course I'm cherry picking good condition ones but none the less, its insane. Old Honda Preludes, Accords and even Acura Integra's are holding value like crazy in the $5-10,000 range. I'd love to buy an older 2012-2014 Subaru STI but I can't find one cheaper than $18,000. Some are in the range of $22-25,000. It's insane.
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You need a second channel focussing on where you get your energy (if it's legal). Wife, young kids, career, knee surgery, moving half way across the country, and a massive amount of cars, trucks, suv's, and accessories. Not to mention time at the license bureau, online buying and selling, time at the dealerships (and their 5 minutes is 2.5 hours in civilian time) and bankers that must have a love hate relationship with you. And video editing and uploading. Impressive. I'm lucky to find time for two meals and a shower every few days.
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I enjoy your videos but I’m going to play devil’s advocate. As a business owner myself, you’re ignoring the dealership side of the equation. How about the increased cost to run the business like demand for increasing salaries, operational costs, supplies, rent/property taxes, increased insurance costs, etc. My wife and I have a medical spa and in the past 3 years our operational costs have increased greatly.
Also, for the dealers when the inventory was extremely low (2021-2022), how the hell are they supposed to survive/employ people if they’re not getting inventory to sell to make a profit and keep the business open? I’m not justifying 30k over MSRP and I refuse to pay a single $1 over MSRP myself, but I can understand why some dealers had some small markups the past few years.
Finally, the crisis we’re in right now was created by our federal (and local) governments, but people are too ignorant to see this and will continue to vote accordingly but blame “greedy” businesses for increasing costs of goods.
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Damn, thats a lot of ford lightnings!
Locally, here in BC Canada, the local truck market is doing interesting things.
A used 2023 Tacoma trail edition, completely stock, with 14,000km is listed for 58,500 Canadian. I bought my trail edition last April for 52,000 brand new, MSRP.
Form what i can tell, most gen 3 Tacomas have been priced up recently.
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I picked up my electric lime metallic Tacoma about 3 weeks ago. There are some haters out there, but most people really like the color. I didn't really like it that much at first, but it has grown on me. Done a few mods, window tint, bed mat, soft bed tri-fold cover, interior LED lights, glove box and console organizers, hood struts, Black out Tacoma letters on the Tailgate, and a few minor things. Great truck for sure!
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Untamed, you are doing just fine and we all know you could easily slide into any of the new vehicles they debut if you wanted 😂
Anyways, for more channel reach or growth I would be interested to see more of your computer first look reviews on more vehicles for that broader reach! More SUVs, More Sports Cars, more trucks! You can easily give your input over stock photos of new Fords, Subarus, Rams and even Cadillacs and Land Rovers as you've owed some and expressed interest before! TFL does these all the time and while they are generally pointless for ADHDers who hyper fixate on vehicles like myself I STILL watch them when they pop up on my feed!
Heck, try to reach out with emails to insiders for interviews on why they think forced induction was the way to go! Reach out to other channels for collabs, such as TRD Jon and have discussions over Toyotas over web chat/zoom. Talk about mods etc. there are plenty of opportunities to explore and would get your name out!
Don't forget, we have just recently gotten to see and know you, you have grown very fast from personal content. Good luck and stay Untamed!!!
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I understand we obviously buy 4Runners for very different reasons. My 4Runner TRD Off Road is a dedicated off-road adventure /winter driving rig, modded for trail use, off road exploration/camping (even Magnuson supercharger and long range fuel tank). I have never daily driven my 4Runner, other than particularly harsh winter conditions, so this is not a swap I'd make lol. I'm bashing these things around some pretty tough trails, so price matters lol. My fiancé and I do regularly buy and daily drive Range Rovers, which is obviously the same segment as the LX. However, in another life, if I were a regular 4runner Limited buyer, as my daily driver, and wanted to move into the full-sized luxury segment, I would definitely consider an LX.
Another excellent video!
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I preordered a new 2023 Sequoia TRD Pro. It took some looking around for sure, since in WA state, every dealership I contacted had markups on ALL of their vehicles (new, used, every trim levels, etc). For the new Sequoia, all the trims started at $15-20k, with the TRD Pro being $30k, with 1k down…. Insane. Oh, at that $30k dealership? The large mover of vehicles for Toyota in the state. They had no excuse.
Now, the dealership I went with was actually closer to my house, and smaller. They even had a “No Dealer Markup Program” banner right on their website. So I called them. They have ZERO markups on almost ALL of their vehicles. Even all of the 2023 Sequoia trims had zero markups…. Except the TRD Pro, but it only capped out at $5k, with the usual $500 down. I thought that was interesting, so I asked why only that one vehicle, and one trim, but also that low of a cost (compared to everywhere else, and they sell less)? They told me they had to, but not because of the dealership, but because Toyota Corp told them (only answer that was not about the dealership being greedy, and just about Corp. I’m “eh”, on anything said about markup reasons, but at least it was something new). It was handed down in memos to the sales managers, but since this location really didn’t want to, they went with the lowest amount possible, and everything else doesn’t have markups.
I thought that was interesting. Either way, I went with them, since 5k was better than 30k everywhere else, and they were probably the nicest dealership I’ve ever encountered (been to a lot in my days when I traveled with the Army).
Check out Heartland Toyota in Bremerton, WA.
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Bought a brand new 2007 Tacoma OF MT and drove it until 2018. Traded it for a 2018 4runner ORP and just couldn't take the automatic transmission. Kept hitting the brake thinking it was the clutch freaking wifey out. Ordered a 2022 Tacoma OR MT Lunar Rock, but I was quite disappointed in the 3.5L Atkinson cycle engine. Acceleration was not smooth, manual trans felt sticky compared to my 2007, and I hate that the power comes on unevenly at around 2800-3000 RPM. My 2022 Tacoma was not my 2007 Tacoma, and I was surprised. I wanted to give this truck to my 6-year old when he got old enough. I wanted to like it too, but after two years, I reserved a 2024 4runner TRD pro and will pick it up in about 11 days. I'll learn to live with the automatic. I wish I could find a brand new 4.0L Tacoma. Come on Toyota. Listen to the market, not the idiot politicians. Toyota faithful want longevity, reliability, and a piece of mind. You took that away for acceleration, torque, and tech. It's a flipping truck, not a computer or tablet with wheels. Computers break or become obsolete within a few years. And hybrid batteries are not better for the environment. It just transfers the degradation from the atmosphere to the land. At least fossil fuels don't employ child slaves to drill the oil, unlike batteries for smart phones and electric car batteries.
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Great video!!! I have been debt free (other than my house) for about 6 years now, but 3 months ago I bought myself a 24 GMC 1500 AT4X, and now I have a car payment, which sucks, and to tell you the truth I did not missed that car payment on all those years a single bit... BUT, since I do have money invested to payoff the truck many times over Im not that worry, it was good to see that new shiny truck did not make me more happy, in fact I realized that will be the LAST brand new car I will probably ever buy, so I will take good care of it, but more important I will take care my family and downsize house as well when the time comes, less is definitely more.
Thank you for your video and great reminder about what is important in life.
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I own a 2019 raptor supercrew and if I had to downgrade I would most def get this exact truck right here. Looks very nice! In my opinion, the tundra trd pro is the second best looking truck out there!
That 4 runner looks clean too! I want one but I’m waiting on the bronco. I’m hoping they release a bronco with the same engine platform as the raptor.
Why is everyone bashing the Raptor and Fords?
I own a 2012 mustang gt with 110k miles and its running strong. I abused that car. Tacked it and even crashed it twice. Got it for $25,500 brand new.
2019 mustang gt 10 speed with performance package 1 and it feels much better than my previous GT. Sports car tight, fast, 6 piston brembo brakes, etc. Got it for $35,758 and it’s amazing!
My Raptor has 23,372 miles and it’s running strong! Amazing truck. I smash on Tundras, Rams, f150s, and evening cars on a regular basis. Take it off roading and all the Toyotas, jeeps, etc have to pull over to let me pass because they simply can’t travel off roading at my speed.
$55,840 Base MSRP for 2019 Ford Raptor Super Crew (4 door) (800A package)
$3,855 Total of Options
-17-inch Forged Aluminum Bead-Lock Capable Wheels ..
-4.10 front axle with TORSEN® Differential ..
-bed divider ..
-bed-liner spray in ..
-remote start system ..
-Tailgate Step with Tailgate Lift Assist ..
$1,595 Destination Charges
Price without taxes and license: $61,190
You get a lot of performance with Ford for your dollar. If Toyota had a truck that beat the Raptor, I’d get it. But at the moment, the Raptor has zero competitors. He clearly mentioned he wanted to down grade to get smaller loan. He didn’t get the Tundra because he thought it was a better truck than the Raptor.
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I don't believe there is any similarity between the poor corporate culture that has plagued Boeing and Toyota's corporate culture. In my opinion, Toyota is capitalizing on their brand recognition and low inventory, particularly when compared to other brands. The issues we are seeing with the Tundra and other Toyota models are mainly due to the introduction of new models and the incorporation of numerous new technologies. Introducing so much tech can lead to more issues, causing customer frustration. When you purchase a first-year model, it's expected that there might be problems and that you might have to wait a long time for parts to fix those issues.
The engine problems with the new Tundra are somewhat expected when put to real-world use. While they introduced that engine in the Lexus LS first to test it in real-world conditions, I don't think LS owners put that engine under the same stress as Tundra owners. In addition, lab tests don't fully capture the hot/cold cycles, varying humidity, and environmental changes that engines experience in the real world.
I want to clarify that I'm not excusing Toyota for their high prices or perceived drop in quality. I encourage consumers to vote with their wallets and avoid purchasing overpriced Toyota vehicles. As you mentioned, the new Toyota trucks are at least 20% overpriced, and if consumers keep buying them, more people will be priced out of the market for new Toyotas. The reality is that many of us feel like we're living in a third-world country.
On a personal note, I avoid buying vehicles manufactured in Mexico. This is not a reflection on Mexican workers, but rather a concern that underpaid workers may not be able to consistently produce high-quality work.
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@UntamedMotors I personally, have always loved it because of the scarcity... any car in general.
TLC, you rarely see it and I think that's 1 of the greatest attributes of it, you're automatically drawn to it I feel.
It's not another, X5, X6, G63, RR, Porsche, Audi...etc
I feel only true car fanatics appreciate it.
Ppl who don't know much about cars or lack knowledge of it. For example, when they see a Lavante, or any Maserati they go, goo goo gaga. Me, I throw up in my mouth, but that's me. lol
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But alas, the TRD sold the day before I went to the dealership, so the salesman I worked with showed me the SR5P. He also stated that he wasn't certain about the TRD, but considering the price it was listed at, he said "it may not have had a clean Carfax" (whatever that means). Either way, I bought the SR5p. I live in the SE US where snow is not an issue, I don't off road (though I like the idea of being able to if I had to), and I really love the way it drives and how much space I have (I upgraded from driving a small coupe). The TRD's are awesome and I still pass them with some envy, but I'd never utilize 80% of the features they offer, but more power to those that do.
I will say I really dislike the stock SR5 wheels though. I plan on changing out tires soon and I think I may go with aftermarket or even TRD wheels. SR5 wheels just look cheap imo. I'm hoping I'll get lucky and my local dealership will buy my stock wheels to get me a bit of a discount on the SR5's, but with almost 40k on the stock wheels, they may not be interested.
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it's crazy price for sure, but is it completely unreasonable? for exclusivity, and raw power, etc, etc, $108K seems fair. especially when compared to the $80K tundras you looked at. Now, will it hold up? be reliable? Maybe that's not the point. Doubt buyers keep these for long, certainly not out of warranty. Used prices will either tank, or go up, no one knows. Might end up like the Lambo LMOO2 (or whatever it's called). Even for $150K, the buyers are looking for something really special (short term). Same as the RaptorR or RaptoR? Not a car for the masses, and not priced that way.
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My fiance and I recently moved to Utah USA, from Canada, allowing me to FINALLY buy a 200 Series Land Cruiser! Canada has not had the LC since 1996, so I have never got to have one, other than renting them during trips to Australia, or visiting relatives in my home (Japan). Canada has the LX, but that is a nightmare to take on a trail lol. I also own my second 5th gens 4Runner and it has the Magnuson supercharger, which is the best modification choice I have ever made! It makes the 4Runner feel EXACTLY as it should. Not over powered, but finally able to pass people on highways🤣, with ease. I recommend it to every long time 4Runner owner, like me! If you use her for a lot of long trips, do it! You will be happy you did!
Thanks for another insightful video!
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@UntamedMotors hell no, not for me, and anyone who decides to roast you for not getting rid of the 4Runner, they don’t understand how dependable the 4Runner. I have a 20 Taco and a 07 Corolla, when I decide to leave I have doubts if they are going to start every time, unfortunately other manufacturers such as American vehicles, they don’t have the confidence, why? They sell pep on the luxury features, i get it Toyotas are crazy out dated, the other manufacturers are way past Toyota on luxury features and inside looks, but when they are on the side of the road and mine still runs, I will waive and then turn around tow them home, Toyota is a master on dependability and that my friend is what counts, at least to me.
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Great Information and narration of what is now happening in the Market place.
Worked for a FORD dealership in the RI area that is used to selling 350 to 450 cars New and Used a month. That's roughly about 4,500 to 4,800 cars a year, and rule of thumb was to make $2,500.00 per car in profit. $2,500.00 X 4,500 cars = $11,250,000 of Profit per year.
During the pandemic this one dealership was making over $5,000.00 to $7,000.00 profit per vehicle. Multiply that $6,000.00 X 4,500 cars per year = $27,000,000 Million dollars Profit per year. Does not include there SERVICE Department cost per hour at $139.00 per hour.
YES.......these owners of these dealerships were greedy and without morale's. There justification supply and demand. The economy and pendulum is again changing. GREAT Job on what is now happening in the marketplace.
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I respectfully disagree with the notion that Toyota is losing its loyal customers. Criticizing the latest generation of trucks, which only hit the market in 2022, without considering the short timeframe since their release seems unfair. It's important to acknowledge that every new generation experiences teething problems in its initial years, and it's wise for consumers to exercise caution during this period regardless of the manufacturer.
Moreover, we can't ignore the unprecedented challenges posed by the recent pandemic, which undoubtedly affected research and development efforts across the automotive industry. Add to that the governmental push towards hybrid and electric platforms, and it's clear that Toyota, like its competitors, faced unique hurdles during this time.
While I share concerns about dealerships inflating prices, a practice detrimental to both customers and Toyota's reputation, I believe the brand's resilience and commitment to its fan base should not be overlooked. As a devoted Toyota enthusiast since the '90s, I've witnessed the company's ability to bounce back from challenges time and again.
Let's not forget the remarkable strides Toyota has made with its recent offerings, from the adventurous new Land Cruiser and 4Runner to the impressive GR lineup. These developments demonstrate a genuine effort to cater to the diverse needs and preferences of their loyal supporters, a level of engagement rarely seen elsewhere in the industry.
While there are valid criticisms to be made, I remain confident in Toyota's ability to adapt and thrive while staying true to its core values and fan base.
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You’re just as cursed as I am. I buy a car or truck, and then I scour the internet to see if there is/was a better deal or color/option combo etc. Not sure if this is OCD or just trying to fulfill that thrill of the hunt feeling, but I find myself doing this for at least a month or two after the purchase. A few times (3 to be exact) I ended up finding something I liked better after the fact, then I proceeded to trade my new purchase for another vehicle within days or weeks... I thought I was the only one that did this, and my wife thinks I’m absolutely batshit crazy. At least I now know I’m not alone 😅
That Voodoo Blue is sexy as hell, and the FJ just looks like it means business. In the end, the FJ has the look...the cool factor, but the 4Runner is probably the more capable of the two when comparing them in their stock states. Given the choice you had, I probably would have gone for the FJ based on the rarity of the rig, but I think I would have regretted it based on the info you provided about the 4Runner. I’ve only seen 2 Voodoo Blue 4Runners in the wild, so that’s probably a bit of a rare vehicle as well. Hope Toyota keeps the VB production numbers down because it’s a more appealing rig to me if it doesn’t belong to everyone and their brother. I’ve always loved the 4Runner and can say without a doubt that I’ll own another one in the future for sure 😬
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Thank goodness I purchased a 2018 Tundra Double Cab SR5 TRD Off-road 4X4 my MSRP was $43,625.00 but I got a deal during January 2018, I haggled for a few days, and ended getting it total OTD $45,613.81, and back then I sold my 2007 Tacoma Pre-runner TRD Off-road SR5 Double Cab with 60k miles for $25,000 and that was my down payment on the Tundra with payment for 60 months $351.61 APR 0.9% total cost after finance $46,096.60 Such an economic spike in a really short time?
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Hi Untamed , I’m been on the market for a Tundra Pro since beginning of December, I am looking within my area, south Florida, didn’t know to check in other states , anyway out of 12 to 15 dealers, I can tell you about two or three has been fair with me, the rest they straight up tell me that the truck price have no room for negotiation and charge 700 dealers fee. Ridiculous. Others just got caught trying to mislead me because, I tell them very clear, I don’t want short bed, want standard, therefore Crew Max isn’t an option, they give the price of a CrewMax and tell me is standard bed. I tell them to explain why you are misleading me, and never contact me back. The biggest problem I got is , there aren’t available down here, since I want a double cab, standard bed, everything is CrewMax. You think supply will go back to normal soon?
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2015 Jeep Overland V8. More powerful, better fuel economy, arguably more stylish, all the bells and whistles, more comfortable, awesome headlights and a big heaping pile of TuRD. (See what I did there?). Yes, I grew bored of Toyota's bland styling and became complacent to the dependability I had known for 20 years. Bought the Jeep thinking "all manufactures are getting more dependable".
Well, 2 weeks in I started having issues. Would not shift in reverse, would get stuck in reverse (my favorite), check engine caused by the "after market speaker I (never) installed (a speaker caused a check engine light?). Interior panels popping off, breaking the clips which they tried to make me pay again per the speaker I never installed. AC blowing cold when set below 75 regardless of ambient temp and heat when set above, again regardless of ambient temp. Groaning noises when pulling my boat. Popping noises they told us were just water bottles even though no water bottles were in there. Heck, car washes would even push it through because they were afraid of the unintended acceleration issues... In the shop 2 months of 6.
6 months after I purchased the Jeep, I bit the bullet and traded it in because even if I could sell it, I did not want to pass it directly to someone else. I lost my @$$ on it given the value I had to eat, yet I oddly felt happy if not just relieved to get rid of the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned and drove out in a brand new 4Runner. Never will I take Toyota for granted. All these people can complain about it being dated or older technology, but one thing I can count on is that I can beat the heck out of this thing and it will get me and my family home. Shoot, I was worried I would not even be able to get the Jeep out of the garage...
So, I could care less when people snicker, or claim Toyota is outdated. But I will agree they need to do something with the brightness and temperature of these lights.
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Dealer can keep the Tacoma, the price should read 47,500.00 max. The same truck 2019 model with a years use 15,000 miles has a high retail of 43,000.00. So if you trade in the 2020 a year after you buy it with average mileage what's it worth ? About the same as the 2019, of course they won't give you retail, they'll give you trade in value of about 36,000. So, to buy a 2020 for 56,000.00 is like flushing 20,000 down the drain for one years use, In addition to your monthly payments. Ouch !
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I vehemently disagree. First congrats on the truck, I purchased two of them. I went 24 inch, All terrain, and it's a beast. Not everyone uses the same setup to say this is the "largest" size sounds very familiar. I started a wheel and tire retail shop back in 99-2000. Lot of individuals like yourself (Not you literally same mind set), complained of 19 inch wheels on SPORTS CARS. Guys said "16 inch better handling gas mileage"..they were obviously wrong. Car dealers would give less on trade-ins if you had a custom wheel setup on a sports car! (I know I cant make this up)Then culturally there it starts. I can't tell you how many customers, especially square white men, I'm just being honest, not all of them, but the ones that wanted to fit in always had a habit of telling everyone what the "best" setup was, even though the hardcore enthusiast, wasn't about the "following" not about what's "best", it's nothing wrong with daring to be different. They didn't create the culture, they were trying to control it. See, you'll never hear street culture say " I selected this size because anything smaller would be ridiculous." The reason is, nobody trying to fit in to a fake culture, people just feel how they feel. What makes a car luxury in the 80's and compared to now is totally different. It used to be leather meant luxury, not anymore. So though we all have seen guys driving F250's, 350's, duallies, Hummer Ev's ect. on pavement, somehow it's ridiculous to do the latter. Well that's what makes this hobby is "ridiculous" and FUN! Everyone can do what they want. Remember across the world Lexus is known for reliability and off road, though most Americans who purchase probably won't use it for such. Please don't take this the wrong way. FYI The wheel and tire combo looks swell.
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Eh, our landcruisers and hiluxs in brisbane aus, manila philipphines, and down in Mexico are all diesel. Couldnt get new U.S. one in gas, just didnt have utility use or value to us, we ended up going with ram 2500 and 3500 prospectors as well building a new f350 for our ranches in Montana, Wyoming, and Texas.
So far for smaller vehicles our hilux, and a cruiser we bought new before c19s onset, are reg to our ranches down south, but have been kept in AZ and TX the last 3-4 months, so far so good. Hopefully get our winnebagos and spinters, an older hilux, brought up. We had to leave our revels and sprinters (our group), down there. Few of my ranch hands have been taking care of our vehicles down there. Hopefully though things smooth out.
We just got rid of my gt350r for a gt500, and my wife picked up a gt350, and got rid of her ISF haha. Wifes building a Vario 814D, and an E350 high roof, have you guys had any vans? Or rvs?
Ah Im getting old, sad to see cruiser leave U.S. , maybe itll return with a hybrid variant or a redesigned diesel option.
If toyota, izuzu, etc had diesel variants stateside, wonder how happy everyone would be.
Cant think of why they, nissan, and other international mfrs wont bring their diesels here...
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You are absolutely right. By the way, I have been driving my 2009 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, manual transmission, since new. 253,000 miles on it now. Most parts are still original - like starter, alternator, heater motors, etc. Only one of the light bulbs (in the front fender) burned out in 16 years - all the others are still original. Back brakes were done 2x, front 1x, steering stabilizer bar 2x, shocks 1x, exhaust manifold gasket 1x, EGR sensors 1x, rear engine oil seal 1x (they did the clutch at the same time, but it was still working fine). Bought it for $25K new. I would get nothing for a trade in, so I am keeping it and driving it some more.
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Hello UM! I'm a longtime subscriber (under several channel names) and had a quick question for you. I am thinking about selling my Magnetic Gray 2015 Toyota Tacoma (last year for the 2nd Gen.) Double-Cab V6 PreRunner, and I wanted to ask you what you think the value might be for this my truck? I mainly wanted your expert opinion, because I don't know what premium my truck might have, because it is the LAST of the Gen. 2 Tacomas.
I bought the truck new, and have only put 35K miles on it. It has always been garaged, and the back seats haven't even been sat it. No smoker, no animals, no children (yeah...boring life). The truck has a clean CarFax, with zero issues to note. For reference, CarMax offered me 25K today, via an online appraisal. Thank for any input! I appreciate it!!
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Trd off road (Premium package) comes with leather, add tech package you get LED head lamps/fog lamps all for about 43,000.00. If you're considering another Tacoma take a look at the 2022 trd pro, it offers upgraded fox suspension one inch higher than the 2021, with red coil spring matching the new red aluminum upper control arms. Also has embossed TRD PRO letters in rear quarter panels. Colors......Electric lime, Super White, Magnetic Gray and Midnight Black. If I were in the market for one I'd go Pro in Mag gray, so long as the price was close to MSRP, add a set of larger tires, a Trd air intake, bed cover, and the usual black out interior items. Don't forget to make sure it comes with remote locking tail gate and led bed lighting, and there's the front end camera option as well.😎👍
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Untamed Motors, I bet man! Reminds me of the time (when I was 10) and my dog got out of the backyard, and ran away. She was gone for close to 3 months... I used to climb up on my roof, and try to look in as many neighbor’s backyards as I could, then one day, I heard a familiar bark coming from the housing tract around the corner and behind us. I called my Dad, and he climbs up on the roof, looks around and sees her running in a neighbors yard! Mind you, we had posted flyers up and down every single street, so of course when we knocked on the door to confront the neighbor they just played dumb. Couldn’t hide that bark though, and they also left her tags on, so that was a dead giveaway. Having her back was probably one of the most surreal things I’ve ever experienced, and it will stick with me for life! Even though she’s still really young, I’m sure it will stick with peanut too 😉
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You're so right, the good with the bad, all honesty, your modifications are merited, that's exactly how a trd pro should be pumped out. Also, we can all agree, most times, less is more, can't wait to see the longevity of the Toyota, reliable vehicles are far more environmental than ones that only make it to 50k, even despite the fuel economy, its very economic, because it will always serve well without fail.
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Just want to share that I enjoy the channel and share the car trading "insanity". Been through 30+ sports cars in the last 20 yrs, but have a steady Toyota core fleet. 2015 Tundra TRD purchased new with nearly 100k on it now, a 2016 4runner limited purchased new with 80k on it, and just got a 2021 LC Heritage in silver with 3rd row seats. Your LC coverage is what brought me here, but enjoy the car trading insanity. Lucky to have a local dealer that is very fair, and have purchased 2 4runners, 3 Tundras, a Sequoia, a Land Cruiser, and 2 Taco's (last was TRD pro with manual!), and a few others from. Even was able to work numbers on a trade of a 2018 NSX in on a new Supra there, so they enjoy the insanity as well....keep up the good content!
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UT, great video! Back in the 80s and into the 90s, we used to call that dynamic the Honda & Corvette phenomenon. Honda in particular was hot stuff, legitimately, as the excellent Accord and Civic were taking the world by storm... So you show up at a dealership checking a new model year out, and if you asked something like "these have been really nice, but a couple things have always bothered me.. did they finally fix this, or make that change, or add this feature?--Honda, like Toyota, has never been known for meaningful improvements inbetween model changes--the salesman's answer invariably would be "Why would they change a thing when they can sell every one they've got now exactly the way they are, and, two, if you don't like it, there are people waiting right behind you...." Some were more tactful than those direct words (some weren't!), but that was the way things were for years. The Corvette question, regarding changes, would almost always be, for years.... "have they done anything about the cheap*** interior?!"
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Small world, you are only an hour north of me, I'm in N. CO on the Front Range. Good to hear that honesty isn't completely gone in the industry :). A lot of the videos we do rip on dealers, I just did one myself, but there are still a lot of people just like you and I that work there, have to feed their families etc. That said, dealer markups over MSRP shouldn't happen, period, glad they corrected it. All of the Ford dealers near me are the same as yours, but it's not just lightnings, it's all of the F150s.
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In economics, there is an inevitable economic cycle that is repeated in every model. Companies, if they reach the stage of bankruptcy, usually do not look at the interest in the long and medium term, but rather rely on saving their current situation, even if that will exacerbate the problem. This always happens.. Therefore, even if they avoid collapse at some point, they will inevitably collapse later in a bigger and more painful way. In other words, you will not see price reductions as much as you will see stubbornness, obstinacy, and desperate attempts to achieve a profit, and that will never happen, thus announcing losses and closing at a final stage
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Im just curious as to why the rotation, we have a lot of vehicles in our private collections too, but ive never gone toyota to ram raptors and etc, to come back haha. Just kept cause I know Id be to attached, just like my ugly ass big bird fj :D oh lord...
My wife has a gt500, gt, a 350r, I have a zl1 and wb hellcat charger...she has a new 3500 prospector, I have a fleet 250 haha, she has a landcruiser out in ME, I have a GX. Shes got broncos on order, Im just looking at my unfinished rubicon gladdy in garage with the damn cleveland hellcat motorset combo just sitting. I am going for the TRX as wifes going for new raptor soon.
My wife said youre as indecisive as me hahaha. whatever! thats a good thing :P love the color man! I just cant decide if this or others, which one to get, we just got a ranch up in montana, so def more vehicles up there!
Anyhoots amigo be safe, be well!
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I just stumbled on your channel. I've been listening, not watching while I do some mind numbing work for work, and it hit me almost immediately. There is a YT channel, I don't remember it off hand, or if it is still active (I will have to go looking) but it is a prepper channel, and during the "summer of love" I took an interest in studying up in mass chaos, and what I might have to do... anyway, YOU and this guy, have nearly an identical voice, not just the sound, but the cadence, and tone, inflections... all of it. That's crazy dude... not as crazy as the INSANE prices tho. Thanks for the vid!
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@UntamedMotors right on. And BTW if it makes you feel any better, I paid way too much too. Bought in February this year for 54,250 with 38,000 miles BUT, it was priced "low" haha, yeah, because it had about $4000 worth of dents and paint damage (swirl marks any holograms. Most I saw were going for 57 to 63K if they were clean.) Plus front brakes had a cracked disc. Had to replace rotors and pads. Not including tint, tires, boards and steering wheel, I'm in for about almost 59K as the starting point BEFORE mods hahaha. Absolutely insane. But it is what it is. I finally have the voodoo blue tundra I've wanted for years. Still cheaper than the '22 which I won't be buying.
Edit: oh yeah I forgot 54,250K PLUS TAX haha. So I'm in for like a million dollars all in haha.
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@UntamedMotors Watching your video reminded me of why I stayed in, and did not work for the auto
industry.
All of My Family Members told me "I can get you in at the ____ Plant" prior to my reenlistment.
Though it is true, and I would have made more money (much more money),
I would always be looking over my shoulder in fear of the next layoff(s), even at the Steel Plant.
Just a note, I have never bought a foreign car, but I came close on this last purchase.
Because of My age, they are all retired, but none-the-less, I would have had to put up with the grief of
hearing about their retirement.
You have the pulse of the auto industry, and I enjoyed your video.
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Hey Untamed. The Tundra is coming along great! I actually think the lunar rock looks really good on the Tundra, especially with everything blacked out. So I thought I'd give you an update on my 21 Cruiser (I traded my 19 Tundra TRD Pro for it). I just love it man. My Wife misses the Tundra somewhat, but she has been asking to drive the Cruiser to this or that recently so I think she is coming around :) I like the comfort, quietness and solidity of the cruiser. The exhaust sound on the Tundra was awesome for sure, but for me it got a bit droney on road trips, and I take a lot of road trips. So I think, for us, the cruiser will be more comfortable. A few more impressions after a couple weeks - I feel very happy I went with the base instead of the HE. We have used the 3rd row many times, there is still plenty of space back there with them folded... and I think the leather in the base is better than the HE. I actually saw the photos of your HE at Sun Toyota (coincidentally around 20 miles from where I lived) and it appeared maybe there was a little premature cracking and wear on the drivers seat? The HE uses a different leather than the base, the base is very soft semi anilene and is extremely comfy. Anyhow, you had asked for an update and you got one! enjoy that Tundra and keep up the great videos...
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I hit late 30s and said forget the rat race, I just don't care. I own 3 cars, 2 motorcycles and my small private plane. All paid off. I used to love having the newer cars as well but new cars are just lame anymore, nothing nice. We cruise a ton and I thought we were doing good until I ran into some retired people doing 15 to 20 cruises a year and asked how? They said they kept their first home, drive an 05 Accord and don't buy things they don't need. They retired in their 50s and are just on the last minute list for cruise lines. He told me, just stop trying to get the next new thing, your current home and car is fine, have them paid off and cruise life away! It's materialistic. We only owe a few years left on our home at the rate we are paying extra and if we do decide to leave this area, we will buy something around the same price we sell this one for. Staying out of debt. My wife is a doctor and she spends her entire weekends now doing computer work to catch up. I said enough of this, let's pay off the home and have you cut back each day, less pay but you will be home! Good luck buddy.
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I'd get this in a second if it just had something like the fold out flat front center console worksurface found on the Ford F150 pickups. That is incredibly useful, and the main reason I am considering getting a pick up, a loaded Ford F150 specifically, instead of an suv. But no one offers such a thing on any suv, and Ford only offers it on their pickups. Too bad. And frustrating, since I really like a few suvs, this one in particular. I'd want an all black exterior whatever vehicle I get. After much research, and if I could pick and choose features, I'd want the GMC Yukon AT4 with cadillac Escalade interior luxury, raised up at least 1 inch from the current base height of 8 inches, so that with its adjustable air suspension it would be at least 9" standard height, up to at least 10" in 4H and up to at least 11" in 4L. And of course, I'd want that fold out flat work surface in the front center console. But no such suv exists with all that, and I do like what I see with this Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro. I'd keep the 3rd row down flat most of the time, just up on the occasions those extra seats would be useful, so plenty of interior cargo space for my uses most of the time. I must say, I don't like the read interior, I'd much prefer just an all black interior too, including a black headliner, whether I went all black exterior as I generally prefer, or all white exterior like this one. That said, you're daughter's cute, and I'll give the red some more thought just because she likes it so much.
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From one Toyota guy to another, l hope you love this LX600. I buy my Lexuses from Kuni Lexus in Greenwood Village, it’s a beautiful dealership. But…the LX falls flat for me. I bought a 2023 Navigator instead and couldn’t be happier. In fact, I was just using my Navigator today in 4LO on my land traversing some challenging terrain. Outside of a dubious claim about quality, I don’t see the LX appeal. Other rigs (including my Navi) offer more luxury, more space, more towing, better tech, 4 year/50k warranty… and they pick up and drop from your house off for any maintenance. LX makes no sense to me. Clearly not intended for off road based on the stock tires and approach angle and lack of armor or lockers. Not intended for serious 3 row use based on the 300 series dimensions. Not worth six figures to me, but hey if you’re happy, enjoy!
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@UntamedMotors it comes down to dollars and common sense. I bought my 4Riunner, a Venture model which is a TRD OR premium. It listed for $46,600 and I paid $40,500! For less than $4,000 I can give it a better suspension than a TRD Pro, the heavy duty skid plates, a heritage grill and BFG KO2s which are far superior to the tires any TRD Pro comes with. A TRD Pro costs $51,000 and no dealership will discount them, period! For less than $46,000 I can build a 4Runner superior to a TRD Pro the only difference is my bragging rights will be about my wallet keeping $5,000 in it rather than having a much more expensive vehicle with sub-standard tires!
Honestly, it annoyed me enough to replace the tires my $40,500 truck came with! If I paid $51,000 for a truck with shitty off orad tires I would be very disappointed in myself and the vehicle.
I'm sure many would disagree, but simply the fact my Venture edition has BFG KO2s makes it more off road capable than a TRD Pro.
As for my Tundra; correct me if I am wrong but the TRD Pro has nothing for off-roading but better shocks??? There is no crawl control or terrain settings??? Even if there is, I bought my Tundra for a comfortable family vehicle. I have my 4Runner for running the beaches and trails which is far superior to the Tundra. Still, if I wanted a Tundra for off roading I would buy one with the TRD Off Road package and save $6,000 to $10,000 depending on the model. My Tundra is a Trail Edition and listed for $47,500 but I paid $42,000! A TRD Pro is over $55,000! Imagine what I could do to my Tundra with half that $13,000 I saved!?!?! I guarantee you it would be much more off road worthy than a TRD Pro and probably have a super charger, too!
I love both my trucks, but the Tundra is a beast and when I was in Moab and other canyons of Utah this past October I took my 4Runner places the Tundra would have never fit!
I am a very blessed man. I can afford to drive just about any car or truck I want but prefer to spend my money wisely. Sure my eyes like the TRD Pros but my wallet and head out vote my ego and pride.
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The problem I have is, I live on the Big island of Hawaii. Where the dealers here own both dealerships on the island in Kona and Hilo, that’s goes for Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Jeep, Dodge……..the alternative is to fly to another island, rent a car and check out the dealers there. Then figure in the cost of flights, car rental, and shipping the vehicle, your time and effort……
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November, 2019: Landed great deal on 2008 4Runner Sport Edition (4.0 L): $12,500 with 151,000 miles.
September, 2024: Price of comparable 4Runners has increased considerably.
Still with just 161,000 miles (thank you work-from-home) and plenty of babying - Ran it through the mfr's 180,000 recommended service right away, added an Odyssey AGM battery [plus the voltage booster chip], brand new tires, a modern stereo w/nice speakers, a rugged roof basket, and restored the headlights - I could make a big profit. Except I wouldn't because what would I replace it with? With the traditional engines on the Extinct List and the new ones stinking so badly, all the used Toyota trucks are impacted (upward) in value. So I can't do any better. Gonna drive it 'til the wheels fall off because it's the best SUV available to me. Zero problems with it so far. Manufactured in Japan.
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Untamed Motors It does feel different. Stock for stock, I preferred the 15 to 16 for steering and throttle response but everywhere else the refresh is better. A good alignment and UCAs will really improve the steering, especially with heavier tires on there. Throttle response can be improved with something like a Pedal Commander. ECT helps too and you already have it. I use it pretty much all the time. Especially since I went to even heavier tires in the Exos (wouldn’t do those again). MPGs isn’t a concern with it, your driving and tires are. Stock was 16-20, Duratracs even after the lift were 15-19, and the Exos are 12-16. Even after mods, it still won’t feel like the Tundra for steering. The Tundra with a lift-level and stock size but LT Ridge Grapplers feels more fun to potter around in. Lighter steering and faster throttle response is probably why. You can throw a bunch of money at changing that with gears and a different suspension setup, or you can embrace the difference I character. For a road trip, family haul, or anything off road I prefer the LC without question and a 16+ would be even nicer. That said the chill box, which is deleted on the Heritage, is one of my family’s favorite features.
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If it's a numbers excercise, you will get the most money for it right now. As/if the disaster prediction for the new Toyotas diminishes, the premium on that truck will probably follow. If numbers matter not, you can drive it forever if you so choose. The new ones, I love, but they are much more complex, will they do 300k? I think so. However, I'm basing that opinion on MY past experience with Toyota and Lexus as opposed to that of the soothsayer. The safe is great for a firearm if one was so inclined. Beautiful family, that's the gold, enjoy it, they are gone and out in the world in what seems like a blink of the eye.
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I have been looking at both trucks for sometime now, as I am in the market for a newer truck.
I have 3 trucks I decided on to fit my taste, budget and daily driving....
Newer Tundra 2016-2019 TSS or TRD
GMC Sierra 1500 SLT
Gen 3 2017-2020 Raptor
My brother has a 2015 Tundra TSS and I love it. Looks great, plenty of room inside the cab both in the front and back, good power, rides nice for a truck, the back window rolling down is nice... he's had it for a year and went from 35,000 miles to 50,000 and hasn't had any problems.
That being said, proper maintenance with all the trucks, including the new raptors, can all be just as reliable as the other, or the Toyota. As long as you do routine maintenance, let the motor warm up before each drive and take care of the truck properly, they can all be just as reliable as the other.
That being said, I'm still deciding on the 3. My budget is $40,000 so I may wait and get a 2017/2018 raptor or buy a newer salvaged raptor and rebuild it for half the price of a new one.
Good Video!!
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@UntamedMotors I don't think I can go wrong with either as well. I actually just almost flew out to AZ this week to buy a 2016 Tundra Platinum that was loaded. It was the Super White color, platinum edition so nicer interior, cooled/heated seats, sunroof, JBL audio system, TRD suspension put on it, TRD exhaust, paint matched white fender flares along with bumpers, nice 18in aftermarket wheels and tires, and LED fog lights and light bar built in to the grille. It had 26,000 miles for $38,000. This thing was clean and done right but before I could get out there someone else had scooped it up.
Now that leaves me back to searching again, 2016-2020 Tundra, 2019-2020 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT or a 2017 and up Raptor. Interested to see if they come out with the 3.5 Twin Turbo engine for the Tundra in a few years. If so, I can already bet that I will be buying one of those as the only real big downfall I had on the Tundra was the MPG, is it terrible, no but it could be just a little bit better. I have a 2002 Camry that I drive when needing good fuel mileage!
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