Comments by "Marvin Westmaas" (@MarvinWestmaas) on "The Russian Dude"
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​ @supertuscans9512 EU will happen in 2 to 4 years max, and it could happen much sooner depending on how the steps to combat corruption are being perceived by the bigger EU countries. Access to single market likely even faster ( and rightfully so, we 'the west' should do everything in our power to welcome Ukraine to the democratic side and make sure this pays off for their voters. Also, Budapest Memorandum is still clear, as is the UN -> Ukraine's borders are those which include Donbass and Crimea let alone any other regions the orcs are still holding.
NATO can not happen until Ukraine is formally at peace with Russia. Instead, they will keep receiving NATO weapons, NATO will share intel with them, NATO will set up maintenance and supply chains and before the end of this year NATO will have provided more modern airplanes to the Ukrainian air force and will continue to train Ukraine's military.
Which is I think as good as we can ask for. NATO can not let any country join with an ongoing border dispute, it would mean triggering article 5 the moment Ukraine becomes a NATO member and there are still orcs inside it's sovereign borders. So let's just give Ukraine EVERYTHING they need to get those orcs out, and then we can have them join without issue with the benefit that their military will already be not only trained in NATO doctrine, but also the most battle tested and hardened military units currently serving under NATO flag.
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