Comments by "DELTA BOT" (@deltabot6550) on "Ryan Chapman"
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 @dutchboy9273 dude, if weâre gonna have this conversation, you need to stop being wrong about the very scenarios youâre setting up to make your point.Â
Okay, to set the stage for this, since your characterization of political thought is objectively incorrect, there are two axes on a political spectrum: economic and social alignment. Capitalism is right of center, collectivism is left of center. Libertarianism is below center, authoritarianism is above center. A something like a democratic socialist country would fall slightly left of center, near the middle. A fascist country would fall in the top-right quadrant. Youâre confusing the Overton window (an incorrect interpretation of it) with the political compass.
Now that we have that done, fascism is, again, by definition a capitalist ideology. In practice (countries like Mussoliniâs Italy or Nazi Germany) were heavily privatized in different ways. Hitlerâs government privatized (the term was actually created for the analysis of 1920s/30s/40s Germany) most industry. Mussoliniâs government just took over the industry (he called it state capitalism). Now, before you make the mistake I know youâre going to here, that isnât socialism. Socialism necessitates WORKERS control/own the means of production, not the government. That isnât even a superficial difference. Thatâs pretty fundamental.
So you still with me this far? Probably not but letâs get to the last thing.
Populism. The thing youâre referring to, about fascism somehow spawning from socialism is the concept of populism. Fascists know (the ones that arenât ENTIRELY inept), if they come out of the gates with what they want to do, theyâll lose. To get around that and gain support, they adopt populist rhetoric to frame their ideology as âof the peopleâ. Trump did this with his whole âtheyâre coming after you, they just need to get through me firstâ schtick among many others. Fascism doesnât SPAWN from socialism but, because a lot of the things socialism would enable the working class to do are popular, fascists adopt the aesthetic in order to gain support.
As for the rest of the stuff⌠man I could keep roasting you but I feel like Iâm beating up a 12 year old. Just go ahead and stick to the argument. Youâre already struggling enough there as it is.
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