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4:12 there is no statement in the Quran saying that the previous scriptures revealed by God are fully availalable, there are clear cut statement that a part of the book have been concealed and lost, and that the message has been corrupted. Jews and Christians are binding to only what the Quran confirms in their scriptures. And confirming stories from previous scriptures is not supposed to be a demonstration of qurans authoritative status, but a demonstration of it being dominant and a criterion over what jews and christians have.
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7:54 the Quran is not supposed to give you knowledge of all what was written in your corrupted scriptures throughout centuries, But to confirm only the true message that was sent to the prophets and messengers each at his time, and any remnant of this true message at any time at any place.
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@gentz8310 Surah 3 doesn't say that moses is the uncle of jesus. Like you said, the Quran confirms the gospel (reveales by god), not the gospels (written by men and claimed to be from god), So what is corrupted are the scriptures written by men, not the injeel reveald by God. And the Quran says that people who were intrusted to cary the taurat did not carry it, and concealed much of it, and that both jews and christians forgot part of what they have been reminded of, and write the book with their hands and said this is from Allah, and mixed truth with falshood, and that yhey have part of the book and are invited to thebook of Allah to judge between them...
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@gentz8310 Surah 3 doesn't say that moses is the uncle of jesus. Like you said, the Quran confirms the gospel (reveales by god), not the gospels (written by men and claimed to be from god), So what is corrupted are the scriptures written by men, not the injeel reveald by God. And the Quran says that people who were intrusted to cary the taurat did not carry it, and concealed much of it, and that both jews and christians forgot part of what they have been reminded of, and write the book with their hands and said this is from Allah, and mixed truth with falshood, and that yhey have part of the book and are invited to thebook of Allah to judge between them...
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@gentz8310 Surah 3 doesn't say that moses is the uncle of jesus. Like you said, the Quran confirms the gospel (reveales by god), not the gospels (written by men and claimed to be from god), So what is corrupted are the scriptures written by men, not the injeel reveald by God.
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@gentz8310 And the Quran says that people who were intrusted to cary the taurat did not carry it, and concealed much of it, and that both jews and christians forgot part of what they have been reminded of, and write the book with their hands and said this is from Allah, and mixed truth with falshood, and that they have part of the book and are invited to thebook of Allah to judge between them...
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3:57 you are lying, The Quran makes an argument again and again that the message has previously been corrupted, and that a part of it have been concealed and lost, to the extent that it had to be clarified by the last prophet and the Quran, that was revealed to him to be dominant, to be a criterion, to judge according yo it... To take people out of darkness into light...
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@fred1534 The word [corrupted] refers to what people have changed, not what Allah has revealed, The Taurat and the Gospel refers to the true scriptures that Allah has revealed or any preserved part of them. The Quran says that people have a part of the book, and that a part of it has been concealed/lost/corrupted...
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@fred1534 Yes the Quran says: none change the word/words (kalima/kalimat) of Allah, But the word/words of Allah does not refer to the scriptures, but to the decree of Allah and His promise and judgement... Again the Quran clearly says that people of the book were entrusted to preserve the Taurat but did not carry it, and that they concealed much of it, and that they corrupted the speech (Kalam) of Allah, and wrote books with their hands and said this is from Allah...
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@fred1534 I'm not aware of the accuracy of your claim about specifically 80000 variants, but as you said those are quiraat (recitations), thing that the prophet has told. (The Quran being revealed on 7 ahruf, quiraat being combinations of those 7 ahruf).
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@AlexanderReiswich You claim that i'm destorting what the Quran says, Well, this is not true, you can ask me about anything i said so i can give you the reference from the Quran. The truth is that the claims in this video are distorting what the Quran says.
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@AlexanderReiswich Like you said the Quran does not make the claim that previous scriptures have been drastically changed, Rather the Quran says that truth has been partially concealed and lost and mixed with falshood, and that people of the book still have a part of it. And the Quran does not convey the idea that someone has changed all the scriptures during a couple of years or decaades... At the opposit there are verses which makes a distincion between jews (who forget a part of what they have been reminded of throughout a long period after their covenant), and christian (who instantly forget part of what they have been reminded of). Which align with the periods of gaps of historical evidence that you have (more than 1000 years between moses and the eurliest manuscripts of the old testement, and 100 years between jesus and the eurliest manuscripts of the new testement).
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@AlexanderReiswich Like you said the Quran does not make the claim that previous scriptures have been drastically changed, Rather the Quran says that truth has been partially concealed and lost and mixed with falshood, and that people of the book still have a part of it.
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 @AlexanderReiswich And the Quran does not convey the idea that someone has changed all the scriptures during a couple of years or decades...
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@AlexanderReiswich There are verses which makes a distincion between jews (who forget a part of what they have been reminded of throughout a long period after their covenant), and christians (who instantly forget part of what they have been reminded of). Which align with the periods of gaps of historical evidence that you have (more than 1000 years between moses and the eurliest manuscripts of the old testement, and 100 years between jesus and the eurliest manuscripts of the new testement).
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@AlexanderReiswich At the opposit there are verses which makes a distincion between jews (who forget a part of what they have been reminded of throughout a long period after their covenant), and christians (who instantly forget part of what they have been reminded of).
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@AlexanderReiswich Which aligns with the periods of gaps of historical evidence that you have (more than 1000 years between moses and the eurliest manuscripts of the old testement, and 100 years between jesus and the eurliest manuscripts of the new testement).
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@AlexanderReiswich When the Quran talks about textual/oral corruption, it refers to the people of the book/jews/christians/children of israel as groups, not as individuals, Same as when adressing them not to follow the desires of their forefathers, and to follow the prophet, and to follow the Quran, which takes them out of darkness into light, which is dominant over previous sctiptures... And this is indeed all over the place, both in Quran and sunnah, explecitally, implicitly, using parables...
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 @AlexanderReiswich When the Quran talks about textual/oral corruption, it refers to the people of the book/jews/christians/children of israel as groups, not as individuals,
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@AlexanderReiswich The corruption of previous scriptures is something that is proved both externally (history, logic, science...), and internally (There are multiple verses and hadiths talking about both oral and textual corruption of previous scriptures).
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7:42 you are lying, the Quran never confirms the preservation of the previous scriptures or their authority over the Quran.
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8:25 the previous scriptures of God are not the taurat of jews or the gospel of christians...
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@CustomGamesStudios Well, i have to say that the previous scriptures of God are what was revealed to His prophets and messengers (like what was given to moses and jesus), and what has been preserved of them, including in the different corrupted scriptures... Concerning the evidence for incorrupted islamic scriptures in human history, well, the Quran say that throughout history people have been corrupting the revelation, so we are supposed to find corrupted scriptures not preserved ones... Plus, there is a gap of more than 1000 years between moses and the eurliest manuscripts of the old testement, and 100 years between jesus and the eurliest manuscripts of the new testement, You can't give evidence of all what has been circulating during those gap periods...
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 @CustomGamesStudios Yes, I can use the claims of an unreliable source, not as facts, but to make an internal critic.
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7:06 the quran clearly says that the people of the book wrote the book with their hands and said this is from God, And of course Allah would not say "there is an error in the injeel/gospel", because the error is in their corrupted scriptures that they claim to be from God, not in the injeel that God has revealed.
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@AlexanderReiswich Like you said, the Quran talks about what is with the people of the book, not only at the time of prophet Muhammad but at any time, And what is with them is a part of the book [3 : 23]. Of course the Quran is not referring to all the different bibles of all the different Jewish and christian sects with much discrepancies.
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@AlexanderReiswich And you indeed have different manuscripts with completely different narratives from before the council of Nicaea (325AD), And even after the council of Nicaea you still have different bibles with different canons, And significant corruptions have been documented.
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No, different Christian and Jewish sects didn't know what was written in the Torah or in the Injeel before the council of nicaea, they still don't know what was exactly written till this day, with different bibles with different canons and much discrepancies.
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8:19 again, there is no verse in the Quran confirming "the preservation" of previous scriptures, or their "authority" over the Quran, The Quran says that a part of the message has been concealed and lost, That the message has been corrupted, And that the Quran is dominant over previous scriptures. And again 46 : 12 says [the book of moses], not "the bible", Again, the Quran does not even mention all your different bibles of all your different jewish and christian sects with much descrepanties...
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@IslandUsurper Yes the Quran confirms the Taurah and the Gospel, not the gospels, not the bibles... Guardian in Arabic: Haris. Protector: hami. None of these words are mentioned in the Quran. Again, the Quran was sent confirming previous scriptures revealed by God (not the different corrupted scriptures of the different sects of jews and christians), The Quran is at the same time dominant over previous scriptures (perfecting the religion, making some new laws and abrogating some old ones).
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 @IslandUsurper Yes the Quran confirms the Taurah and the Gospel, not the gospels, not the bibles...
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@IslandUsurper Guardian in Arabic: Haris. Protector: hami. None of these words are mentioned in the Quran. Again, the Quran was sent confirming previous scriptures revealed by God (not the different corrupted scriptures of the different sects of jews and christians), The Quran is at the same time dominant over previous scriptures (perfecting the religion, making some new laws and abrogating some old ones).
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 @IslandUsurper Guardian in Arabic: Haris. Protector: hami. None of these words are mentioned in the Quran.
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@IslandUsurper Again, the Quran was sent confirming previous scriptures revealed by God (not the different corrupted scriptures of the different sects of jews and christians), The Quran is at the same time dominant over previous scriptures (perfecting the religion, making some new laws and abrogating some old ones).
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 @IslandUsurper There are corruptions in the four gospels.
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 @IslandUsurper I'm not disagreeing with anything that Allah said, It is you saying what Allah did not say.
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@IslandUsurper Yes, Muhaymin means dominant, Which is a word that includes all the meanings that both old and modern scholars mentioned, not one of the meanings but all of them together (authoritative, trustworthy, guardian...), over previous scriptures revealed by God (not corrupted scriptures). Criterion (furqan) is another word used for the Quran, but it doesn't convey the same meaning as dominant (Muhaymin), Criterion means distinguishing truth from falsehood, confirming the truth and abolishing falsehood, So unlike musadiq (confirming) and Muhaymin (dominant), this word furqan (criterion) is used to describe the authority of the Quran over any scripture or belief including corrupted ones...
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@999DMHM All I'm seeing in these kinds of channels are christian evanjeel "lies" scripts, trying to hide all the christian dilemmas, and I'm not aware of any dawah script, all I'm using is the Quran. read the Quran, your after life depends on it.
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@999DMHM All I'm seeing recently are christians "evan jee lyz ing" 🤥 scripts, trying to hide all the christian dil mas, and I'm not aware of any dawa script, all I'm using is the Quran. read the Quran, your after life depends on it.
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@IslandUsurper You are the one twisting the words of God to make nonsense. Allah never invited Muhammad "to look at previous scriptures as confirmation to the Quran". and a commentator saying that Muhammad is dominant over the Quran, does not change the fact that this is not what the Quran says, and at the opposite of what you claimed, the earliest exegesis says that this statement is wrong, the verse is clear [5 : 48], it is the Quran Which was sent confirming and dominant over what was sent before it of the book.
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2:36 You are lying, the Quran never says that it confirms previous scriptures "of other groups", The Quran confirms what was sent before it by Allah. And 46 : 12 says [the book of moses], not "the bible", your different bibles of your different jewish and christian sects with much discrepancies are not even mentionned in the Quran.
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3:57 you are lying, The Quran makes an argument again and again that the message has previously been corrupted, and that a part of it have been concealed and lost, to the extent that it had to be clarified by the last prophet and the Quran that was revealed to him to be dominant, to be a criterion, to judge according yo it... To take people out of darkness into light...
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4:12 there is no statement in the Quran saying that the previous scriptures revealed by God are fully availalable, there are clear cut statement that a part of the book have been concealed and lost, and that the message has been corrupted. Jews and Christians are binding to only what the Quran confirms in their scriptures. And confirming stories from previous scriptures is not supposed to be a demonstration of qurans authoritative status, but a demonstration of it being dominant and a criterion over what jews and christians have.
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5:36 As you said the Quran makes direct challenges to some beliefs of jews and christians, And that means that their beliefs are wrong, and the Quran is correcting them.
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7:06 the quran clearly says that the people of the book wrote the book with their hands and said this is from God, And of course Allah would not say "there is an error in the injeel/gospel", because the error is in their corrupted scriptures that they claim to be from God, not in the injeel that God has revealed.
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7:42 you are lying, the Quran never confirms the preservation of the previous scriptures or their authority over the Quran.
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7:54 the Quran is not supposed to give you knowledge of all what was written in your corrupted scriptures throughout centuries, But to confirm only the true message that was sent to the prophets and messengers each at his time, and any remnant of this true message at any time at any place.
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8:19 again, there is no verse in the Quran confirming "the preservation" of previous scriptures, or their "authority" over the Quran, The Quran says that a part of the message has been concealed and lost, That the message has been corrupted, And that the Quran is dominant over previous scriptures. And again 46 : 12 says [the book of moses], not "the bible", Again, the Quran does not even mention all your different bibles of all your different jewish and christian sects with much descrepanties...
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8:25 the previous scriptures of God are not the taurat of jews or the gospel of christians...
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@user-zg8ct8cp8h What I believe is what the text says, You can ask me for any point and I'll give you the text that backs up it, one point at a time if you want. (And i don't know if you noticed that during this video no text was presented to back up the false claims about the Quran).
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5:36 As you said the Quran makes direct chalenges to some beliefs of jews and christians, And that means that their beliefs are wrong, and the Quran is correcting them.
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@gentz8310 No, the Quran does not even mention the different bibles of the different jewish and christian sects with much descrepancies... The Quran confirms what was sent by God before it of the book, and the part of it that people of the book still have.
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@CustomGamesStudios The Quran does not mention any of the books that you mentionned (alexander romance, Gospel of thomas...). The source of the Quran is God, and any story that God has revealed in His Quran is true. (The Quran says: du lqarnain «reached the seting of the sun», not, "had found where the sun sets").
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 @CustomGamesStudios The people who were sharing some similar stories before the Quran (in different books including the bible), where mixing truth with falshood, like the Quran says,
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@CustomGamesStudios Some of them where knowingly corrupting the speech of Allah for a little price (worldly gain), some of them did not know the scripture, they were only following their wishes and guessing...
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@CustomGamesStudios When the Quran confirms previous scriptures it is actually comfirming previous scriptures, meaning what Allah had revealed, and what is preserved of them. The word of Muhammad is what was revealed to him by God, and this can be verified by the very standards of the bible, like for example what the prophet speaks coming to pass and happening. There is no «historical evidence» that the Quran neglect or does not take into account (by contradictiong it for example), and the Quran does uniquely affirm many historical evidences. The message of muhammad does not require a previous text that agrees with him in full, because the message of muhammad is the final dominant revelation, the preserved truth, the criterion over all texts and beliefs...
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@CustomGamesStudios Allah is the Arabic word for God (elohim) who is One, all-knowing, the creator of heavens and earth, All-Mighty, invisible, immortal..., and Muhammad is a prophet that Jews knew was coming, and both Allah and Muhammad can be double checked by the previous scriptures, even after all the corruption that accrued in them. What is preserved of the previous scriptures is what ever aligns with the Quran, not whatever doesn't contradict it, because even what doesn't contradict the Quran, if not confirmed by it, can be true or false. The Quran doesn't just confirm cherry picked verses from the bible, the Quran clarifies discrepancies in the bible. Prophet Muhammad made different clearcut verifiable prophecies, time and space bound, in different fields (battles, conquests, civilisations development, politics, economic, architecture, morals, health, nature...) I think a lot of them are known, and you can search the topic yourself.
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@CustomGamesStudios The Quran says that jews were concealing the truth about the coming prophet and other prophecies (about a new law, a new house of God), because of envy. But again, even after this corruption we can find remnant of those prophecies both in the old and the new testement. We can say based on the bible that the prophet that jews were expecting was not the messiah, because when they asked john to introduce himself they mentionned twice, Elijah, the prophet, and the messiah seperatly. There are also verses in the bible indicating god replacing the jews with another people after they reject the messiah. And there are hints ascribed to jesus about a messenger after jesus and a new book seperate from the old one... (All what i'm saying is based on verses that i have already read, you can ask me about any point and i'll try to get the references). Again, both Allah and muhammad can be double checked by your own scriptures, Your scriptures are contradictory (because they were corrupted by men), muhammad clarify all the descrepancies in your contradictory scriptures, by affirming the truth and abolishing falshood. What is realy suspicious is the name yehweh itself, there are a lot of mysteries surronding it (not being pronounced, being replaced by a tetragramaton, being forgoten, being attributted to different persons...). I didn't say that i don't want to share prophecies of muhammad, i gave you a sammary about them and i said you can search the topic yourself, because its a long one and takes time. But i can give you exemples both from Quran and sunnah, both are from God, and again, fulfilled prophecies are criterion for a true prophet based on your own bible.
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@CustomGamesStudios The Quran says that jews were concealing the truth about the coming prophet and other prophecies (about a new law, a new house of God), because of jalousy. But again, even after this corruption we can find remnant of those prophecies both in the old and the new testement.
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@CustomGamesStudios We can say based on the bible that the prophet that jews were expecting was not the messiah, because when they asked john to introduce himself they mentionned twice, Elijah, the prophet, and the messiah seperatly. There are also verses in the bible indicating god replacing the jews with another people after they reject the messiah. And there are hints ascribed to jesus about a messenger after jesus and a new book seperate from the old one... (All what i'm saying is based on verses that i have already read, you can ask me about any point and i'll try to get the references).
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@CustomGamesStudios Again, both Allah and muhammad can be double checked by your own scriptures, Muhammad does not contradict previous scriptures revealed by god, Your scriptures does contradict previous scriptures and are themselves contradictory (because they were corrupted by men), muhammad clarify all the descrepancies in your contradictory scriptures, by affirming the truth and abolishing falshood.
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@CustomGamesStudios I didn't say that i don't want to share prophecies of muhammad, i gave you a sammary about them and i said you can search the topic yourself, because its a long one and takes time. But i can give you exemples both from Quran and sunnah, both are from God, and again, fulfilled prophecies are criterion for a true prophet based on your own bible.
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 @CustomGamesStudios My comments start being deleated, i'll try to respond to you later.
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@CustomGamesStudios Again, both Allah and muhammad can be double checked by your own scriptures, Muhammad does not contradict previous scriptures revealed by god, Your scriptures does contradict previous scriptures and are themselves contradictory (because they were corrupted by men), muhammad clarify all the descrepancies in your contradictory scriptures, by affirming the truth and abolishing falshood. What is realy suspicious is the name yehweh itself, there are a lot of mysteries surronding it (not being pronounced, being replaced by a tetragramaton, being forgoten, being attributted to different persons...).
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