Comments by "Regis" (@Timbo5000) on "France vs Germany analysis (2018)" video.

  1. +Devil Hex The EU Navy hugely outnumbers the US Navy in combined destroyers, frigates, corvettes and other warships, as well as outnumbers the amount of American attack submarines by a few. The aircraft carriers of the US would never arrive at Europe's shores and would be billion dollar scrap metal on the ocean floor if they even try to come here. The EU has 161 total destroyers/frigates/corvettes/cruisers and the US has only 96 destroyers/frigates/corvettes/cruisers in total. The EU has 55 attack submarines and the US 53. All the aerial superiority you have is irrelevant because you can never get your carriers past the EU defensive navy. Even if your ENTIRE navy ships out, it will be outnumbered almost 2 to 1. And in terms of attack submarines you have no edge either. So you can list all the jets you have, but what matters is how many can you get here? The answer is very few, if any at all. Carriers need to be protected by their strike group and against this number of EU ships you simply can't. ANd this is not even taking into account that the defender always has the tactical edge in any war. Generally speaking, the US has a huge aerial advantage, the EU a huge naval advantage (when used defensively, that is, which is what it was built for) and in terms of land forces both are roughly equal with a slight edge to the US in amount of tanks etc. and a slight edge to the EU in terms of manpower. To invade the EU, the US would need a navy capable of getting there. To invade the US, the EU would need more aircraft carriers and more aircraft in general to attempt a landing. Neither of the two is capable of invading the other, any attempt would be doomed to fail.
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  2. Not really, France is listed as having so much diplomatic power that they exceed even the US and UK in soft power. Germany is like 5th or so. But it all depends who attacks first, really
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  3. If Germany would enter Belgium to invade France that would be the fastlane to defeat, more like. They can't handle France, let alone France and Belgium over a stretched front
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  4. +Devil Hex You're right about the real life scenario, one could argue forever about it. My opinion on the matter is that the US simply can't pull off an invasion and meanwhile... the EU starts outproducing the US until at one point in the future (talking about years of course) it feels comfortable to take the war to the US. So kind of a draw but with better perspective for the EU in the long run. And yeah in an arena war the EU would lose because of lack of air power. The EU is essentially just a slightly bigger and more advanced Russia, militarily (in terms of land and air power, that is. Navally the EU outclasses Russia clearly). So it would play out similarly to the US-RU arena war. About the warships, yes destroyers and cruisers are the biggest and most powerful of warships, but they can't equal multiple smaller vessels coming at them. The smaller vessels have the exact same defences as the destroyers, but there's multiple targets instead of just one. They do carry less anti-ship missiles though. Multiple frigates can only deliver the same firepower as one destroyer, but are better protected than the destoyer due to spreading out as different targets each with the defensive capability of a destroyer. Ultimately the frigates would stop more missiles while being able to shoot just as many. The EU has 40 destoyers, 87 frigates and 35 corvettes. So they're close to the amount of destroyers the US has and have over 100 smaller vessels to compensate for the 20 or so US cruisers and 20 destroyers that remain. About the subs, you are wrong. Nuclear submarines are actually inferior to diesel subs in battle. Diesel subs are quieter, but nuclear subs have longer range. So nuclear subs are better if you need to send one halfway across the world, but when you're close to the enemy... a diesel sub is actually quieter and therefore better at submarine warfare. The nuclear reactor means a nuclear sub can stay submerged longer and travel further on its own, but it is louder too. If a nuclear sub and diesel sub meet, the diesel has the advantage. But... every 2-3 or so weeks it has to get to the surface to recharge its electricity.
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  5. +DrDoctorDerp Actually, France has the most SOFT (diplomatic) power, the UK the second most and only then comes the USA. Of course in HARD (military) power you are number 1. Nowadays you can barely get your allies to do stuff diplomatically, let alone others. But you have your hard power to fall back on, so it should be fine
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  6. Arena war: US wins with air power advantage, navy (the only area in which the EU is stronger in certain aspects) is ignored. But with an almost equal land force to the US and air power bigger than Russia's, it would still be interesting to see (the US-Russian arena war was interesting and the EU would at least fare better so yeah). Normal geographics: US carriers sink long before arriving in Europe due to the large EU navy size and they can't even hope to invade, EU can't really attack the US either due to lack of air power and carriers to project power over distance. Unlike the US they might actually be able to try an invasion, but it will inevitably fail even if they do. Draw.
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  7. +DrDoctorDerp You are wrong. Corvettes and up sport the exact same anti-ship missiles as destroyers, albeit less of them. Multiple frigates are more difficult to take down than one destroyer, yet they can dish out comparable damage. So unless you're willing to claim destroyers can't damage other destroyers, corvettes and up can in fact threaten destroyers. And you are correct about the carriers, but it just so happens that during training everyone and their mother has managed to sink a US supercarrier with even one submarine. The UK, France, Sweden, the Netherlands, Australia did it, just off the top of my head. Probably more we don't know about. Carriers are sitting ducks for a well-trained crew in even one single attack submarine. Keep in mind that half the CSG was usually sunk with the carrier they were meant to protect... Just one submarine is stupendously dangerous, especially silent diesel subs. Nuclear ones are louder You do have a point on the invasion thing, though. The EU also has zero chance to get through because while our navy is numerous and no doubt the best defensive navy in the world, it is not well suited for offense. The US has the best offensive navy in the world, no doubt. I don't think the EU could mount an invasion of the US, but neither can the US even hope to invade the EU. So it's a draw.
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  8. More like Visegrád group vs France on its own. Probably would still lose. Germany would be interesting though...
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