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  36. - The crew of Captain Cook deeply regretted killing the Maori, which indicates that upon contact there was probably something that sparked a conflict that neither side really wanted. Merely stating that Cook killed Maori seems a bit one-sided as they didn't go there with the intention to do so and the specific reasons for the killings are not known as far as I'm aware. It could be the Maori reacting overly hostile to newcomers, forcing Cook to defend himself. It could be Cook being hostile himself and his crew regretting following his orders. It could be a misunderstanding that led to a conflict neither side wanted. All we know is that some of Cook's crew wrote in their diaries that they regretted what happened. A common theory among historians is that the Maori presented a ceremonial challenge to the Europeans, which was misunderstood as an attack after which Cook proceeded to defend himself. So that would be the third category. - It's ridiculous to blame high suicide rates and child deaths on colonisation when it is exactly that colonisation that brought civilisation and advanced healthcare etc. to New Zealand. If NZ had not been colonised, the Maori would likely still be hunter-gatherers with an even higher rate of child deaths and whatever more comes with a more traditional and less advanced life like that. I would definitely respect it if she'd say that is the way her people want to live and that colonisation ruined that tradition and severely damaged their culture, but I can't get behind blaming all present-day problems on colonisation as if it is the cause of their high child birth and whatnot. - I find it strange how colonisation is viewed as this particular evil even in that era. No culture existed without war over land and resources and those wars almost exclusively resulted in the other tribes/cultures being wiped out (either culturally or literally) and all they had in the way of resources taken. That is what every culture did. Colonisation is a milder form of that, whereby you do invade land you desire and steal resources, but don't murder out or chase away the local population. Later forms of colonisation even had as one of their main goals to teach the local population the ways of civilisation. This was based on the idea that western civilisation was superior to other ways of life, something we today consider as wrong (not to mention that taking away the right to self determination of a people is very wrong too, coupled with stealing their resources), but it was still intended to be help. Colonisation was very much grey, not black/white as most people today want to paint it. In short it's very divisive language that paints Europeans as some kind of ultimate evil amongst other peoples. It's like a strange form of counter-racism. History is almost never black and white, it is grey. There's many scruples to be had with colonialism, but when you start blaming high child deaths on the civilisation that brought you highly advanced healthcare you're off the rails. I respect criticisms on historical actions as long as they're reasonable and well-informed.
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  40. Wat Baudet heeft gezegd over vrouwen is gewoon een feit. Doordat we zo hard inzetten op de carrière voor vrouwen, krijgen gezinnen minder kinderen. Dat is geen mening, dat is gewoon zo. Wat je je daarna kan afvragen is hoe gaan we daarmee om? Er wordt hier gedaan alsof Baudet heeft gezegd dat vrouwen maar weer geforceerd thuis moeten blijven of zo ten faveure van populatiegroei, maar goed dat is natuurlijk weer goedkoop politieke puntjes scoren door het zo te interpreteren. Het is immers campagnetijd en makkelijkere inkoppertjes dan dit zijn er niet. Ja, hoe meer vrouwen werken, hoe minder kinderen. Feit. Ja, hoe vrijer wij omgaan met abortus, hoe minder kinderen. Feit. En ja, onze geboortecijfers zijn erg laag. Feit. Maar deze feiten benoemen is niet hetzelfde als zeggen: vrouwen moeten thuis blijven en mogen niet werken, of abortus is slecht laten we wetten invoeren zoals in Alabama. Maar er wordt wel gedaan alsof hij die uitspraken heeft gedaan. De enige uitspraak die ik vreemd vond was dat hij euthanasie zelfmoord noemde en het ontvluchten van je verantwoordelijkheid voor je ouders te zorgen. Dat slaat nergens op, euthanasie wordt in een geheel andere context gebruikt en is ook verre van doorgeslagen. Maar goed, ik heb zijn hele essay niet gelezen en hij zei dat hij slechts de zienswijze van een andere auteur heeft willen vertolken. Zal ik eens naar moeten lezen om te checken. Maar wees dan ook duidelijk wat je eigen mening is, neem er afstand van en/of nuanceer wat je hebt opgeschreven en hoe je er zelf over denkt. Dat mis ik bij Baudet.
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  89. Some migrants "take our jobs" and others are "lazy and live off welfare", yes. It's important to make a distinction between certain types of immigration. You have uncontrolled immigration wherein unwanted amounts of cheap workers can cross the border and outcompete the local workers, pushing wages and working conditions down for everyone and chasing locals away from that type of job (the "take our jobs" type). You also have controlled immigration in which only wanted migrants are let in that will fulfill jobs just as locals do on equal grounds or fill jobs that locals don't want to do anymore (wanted expats/migrant workers). And you have migrants that come here in good faith and end up in welfare honestly, but also migrants that come here with the express intent of benefitting from our welfare. An example of the latter is the illegal migrants that come to Europe amongst refugees. They burn their passports and say they're from a country we accept refugees from. Once we deny them asylum they just roam to the next country to try again. Usually this goes paired with crime wherever they go. They're just here for money. Then there are groups that consistently end up in welfare, making them suspicious. Here in the Netherlands, 60% of Syrians are in welfare (2015 numbers, prob. lower now). Because they're new refugees that need to find their place in our society, this is perfectly normal and reasonable; not suspicious at all. But you also have more suspect groups: 70% of Somalians are in welfare (yes, I didn't believe this ridiculously high percentage either, but they are actual government figures from 2015). This group has been here for several generations now, so this is not reasonable at all; something is wrong with this group. What exactly is wrong can only be speculated on, but we can at least conclude they're living off welfare at an unacceptable rate and something needs to be done about this (research is needed as to why this is the case, then policy needs to be created to help them get out of this position or depending on the outcome of the research just be more strict in accepting migrants from Somalia). So yes, there is such a thing as negative types of migration that damages the job market severely or types of migrants that are parasitical on welfare. But there are also positive types of migration that fills jobs in a good manner or migrants that end up in welfare because they really need it. It's not one or the other and "take our jobs" complaints can actually be justified.
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  96. +Konrad Ford In WW1 the triple entente was beating the central powers hard. The last chance at success and last major offensive of the Germans happened before the US joined and was held off by British and French forces. After that, it was just a clean up job of a practically beat opponent. The US joined just in time to take part in that clean up job. Besides, I'm not British so "we" weren't losing. I'm Dutch, we were neutral during that war (the only sensible thing to do in that unnecessary war). We were strong allies with both the UK and Germany, so it wouldn't make sense for us to join. Besides, IF we joined there would've probably been a slight preferrence for joining Germany, so we dodged a bullet there (a lot of bullets, in fact). Anyway, back to the point. I don't blame America for doing what it did in especially WW2. It's how imperialism works and you had the perfect opportunity to stick it to the world superpower of that time. You did a fine job taking advantage of the situation and built a nice superpower of your own. You beat Great Britain at their own game, hell, you beat all of western Europe in a way. We screwed eachother over all the time, just like that or worse and to this day we laugh about our victories and defeats over one another. I don't have a problem with what you did, just that you afterwards have the guts to claim you "helped" the UK and even worse: that they "owe" you. You played your cards very nicely during WW2, but being a dick afterwards is just uncalled for. You should always stay respectable, my point is. About the .280 and the British screwing up the L85, it could never be worse than being dumb enough to adopt .308 in an era where everyone and their mother knows intermediary is the winner. Hell, today you want to move to 6.5, which is very close to .280 British. If you hadn't have been a dick about it and chose the objectively better round/gun, we'd have had the perfect round from the 50's straight up until today and the foreseeable future.
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  105. Overall I think this is a good view, but I have one criticism: the simple practice of acting on your innate feelings is also a form of morality according to your view. For example, if a man rapes a woman out of pure lust, you could say he implicitly thought this: P1 I ought to reproduce P2 I can create offspring by raping a woman C I ought to rape a woman Therefore he acted on his morals. But what he truly did was connect a fact to his innate sexual urge and act on that urge. He never considered his acts to be either good or bad, he only acted without thinking . If both acting on axiomatic oughts and contingent oughts is a form of morality, then everyone, at all times, acts from their own sense of morality and there is no such thing as complete lack of principles or complete lack of morality: only others acting in their own moral context. In short, every single act or belief (as long as the second fact-based premise is correct) is a form of morality. Since the definition of morality is "Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour." (as per the Oxford dictionary), your views would regard the behaviour of not adhering to any principles, but acting purely on instinct without ever distinguishing good or bad, as a principle itself. Lack of principles would be classified as a principle, lack of morality (note: not to be confused with immorality) would be classified as morality, not distinguishing good from bad would be classified as implicitly distinguishing good from bad, which is contradictory.
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  116.  @123Sander1231  Are you insane? The US can't launch a ground offensive into the EU, they just aren't capable enough for that as the EU combined military is too large. The only way D-day was possible in WW2 was because Germany's army was busy fighting an extremely bloody war int he East. If the EU can fully focus on defending its borders and has huge force concentration there, a land invasion is not possible by a long shot. Especially not if the US has to deal with an EU war industry that pumps out thousands of Leopard tanks per month, all coming to suppress any US land force that may have landed. Can the US land tanks to match this? Not even half, or a quarter for that matter. The EU is going to mass produce the most nasty AA systems they can design to deny the US air force air superiority the best they can, they will mass produce tanks to overwhelm any enemy land force, they will mass produce fighter aircraft to at least try to gain air superiority over EU land and they will conscript millions upon millions into the military. And you can possibly land a few thousand troops and a few hundred tanks to "match" this. Not gonna happen by a long shot. And "pro-US rebels"? Bold of you to assume these people will exist in the first place, considering the US attacks Europe in this scenario. This is about as stupid as assuming there will be "pro-Europe rebels" in the US and merely funding them can win the EU the war. In no stable country on earth will there be pro-enemy rebels if their country is invaded. Maybe in some dictatorships the people will happily see the government defeated, but that's it. Obviously there won't be any pro-US rebels to speak of in the EU. What the actual hell are you thinking?
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  175. It's the natural result of the crazed policies we have had for the past decades. We've been extremely careless with our countries. First we brought foreign workers here to help rebuild Germany, then we completely ignored them and guess what? They grouped together and didn't integrate. We failed in our policies. Then we brought in even more and again, lacklustre integration policies. We are stuck with ghettos full of unintegrated poor foreigners that have little hope for their future, so a lot end up in crime. And to top it off, our cultures clash, hard. We just can't get along because our principles aren't the same. And now it has gotten to a point where some parties literally have said that Germans will become a minority in their own country and "das ist gut so".... It's absolutely crazy. And the opposite reaction to this crazed ideas is the now rising far right. I'm not a fan of the far right, but these stupid policies created them. The establishment needs to see that it was their ridiculous policies creating problems that really didn't need to be created, all because of their naive ideas on immigration and ignorance of any problems. The more crazy those immigration ideas have gotten, the more extreme the reaction has been, the further to the right people will go. The far right is not the problem, they are a symptom of the horrible policies and the problems they have created. If you continue these policies you can bet that eventually the far right will take power. It's only a matter of time, unless the establishment gets out of its bubble of naivety and ignorance of the state of their countries. What we really need is a moderate right party (or left for that matter) that has sane ideas on migration and more, but right now it's either extreme left ideas that are borderline self-destructive or far right ideas that might lead to exclusion of migrants. We need moderate parties. But if we don't have them, I'm rooting for the far right to stop this madness.
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  180. +SansAuthoritas Wrong. The US government is one of the, if not the most tyrannical government in the West and has been since probably the early 1900's. Americans themselves are to blame for their government. Representation is terrible, as each politician is heavily dependent on corporations to pay for their next campaign. Those campaigns, even for small politicians, cost millions of dollars. As much as one third of their time, politicians spend lobbying for the next elections to gather this money. They defend the interests of corporations above the interests of regular American citizens. You are NOT represented. You respond by distrusting the government and clamping to your guns like a child would clamp to its teddy bear in fear of the monster under his bed. No matter how many guns you have, that government will still be there, binding you by law while improperly representing you. Someone who doesn't care about you can bind you by law. There is no self determination in America as long as this government exists. On top of that, this government does all kinds of questionable things. If an American citizen is suspected of being involved in terrorism, he can legally be abducted and tortured without trial . The NSA spies on US citizens en masse without their consent. In the past the US government has even fully banned alcoholic beverages! Clamping to your guns is equal to ignoring the corrupt nature of the US government and ACCEPTING their corrupt rule over you. What Americans need to do is face their government, not hide from it. You essentially clamp to your guns and pretend that the government can't touch you but it can. It rules you every day, guns or not. You need to confront your government and reshape it until it serves YOU. You can't just sit idly with your guns as the government is under control of corporations and constantly infringes on your rights. There's a good reason you have the second oldest constitution in the world: you never challenged the American government. Zero revolutions since 1776. In Europe we had about three since then, all with new ideas about how the government should serve us . You need to constantly and actively keep your government in check until it is exactly what you desire. Because government exists for its citizens. Our government is exactly what we want it to be, but is yours? You've sat back and did nothing for too long
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  215. Ze heeft een heel agressieve toon, maar ze heeft wel gelijk! De 15 grootste zeeschepen stoten meer CO2 uit dan alle auto's op de aarde samen. Maar denken we over het verminderen van de wereldhandel? Natuurlijk niet, we laten de gewone burger betalen voor zijn niet-elektrische auto. Bedrijven gebruiken verreweg de meeste energie in onze samenlevingen maar we zijn bang om ze aan te pakken. Bang dat ze dan maar naar elders in de wereld gaan om net zo veel uit te stoten als voorheen, en dat hun vertrek onze economie benadeelt. We zitten vast in de giftige mindset van "hoe kunnen we zo veel mogelijk uitstoot verminderen zonder onze economische groei in gevaar te brengen ?". Alles draait ons momenteel om de economie, om rijkdom. En daarom laten we de bedrijven overal mee weg komen. De realiteit is dat wij ons huidige streven naar maximale economische groei en constant groeiende internationale handel misschien niet meer voort kunnen zetten. De realiteit is dat wij niet oneindig lang kunnen groeien. Kijk naar Schiphol en hoe wanhopig de overheid is om de groei van vliegverkeer in NL door te zetten. Schiphol heeft zowat het maximum bereikt, dus kijken we naar uitbreiding in Lelystad. Maar wat blijkt, het luchtverkeer in NL is zo druk dat er nauwelijks meer wat bij kan. En tóch ziet de overheid niet in dat we misschien niet meer door kúnnen. We weigeren de realiteit te zien: we moeten en zullen groeien, of het nu kan of niet. We moeten af van deze ziekelijke instelling en op zoek naar een nieuw economisch systeem dat niet alleen maar om groei draait. Een systeem dat om balans draait.
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  227. Er is vooral geen draagvlak vanwege de harde realiteit van niet-westerse migratie en integratieproblematiek. Kennismigranten vallen daar niet onder, dat zijn niet de straatschoffies waar iedereen zich aan irriteert. En wat westerse arbeidsmigratie betreft, er zijn allerlei problemen als het gaat om sociale zekerheid en concurrentie die nog moeten worden opgelost maar daarnaast vind ik het wel oké. Wat wij NOOIT meer moeten doen is niet-westerse arbeidsmigratie. Dat is uitgelopen tot een regelrechte catastrofe. En we moeten sowieso terughoudend zijn met migratie. Als het met de Nederlandse bevolking kan worden opgelost (subsidie voor meer kinderen bijvoorbeeld?) dan heeft dat voorrang. Kan dat niet, dan westerse arbeidsmigranten. Kan dat ook niet dan zie ik liever economische krimp dan dat wij onze samenleving nog verder laten verloederen met niet-westerse migratie... We zijn er gewoon veel te makkelijk mee om gegaan. Het klinkt allemaal leuk, we hebben arbeiders nodig dus halen we ze lekker makkelijk uit het buitenland. Maar de realiteit is dat dat soort beleid serieuze sociale gevolgen heeft waar men meestal niet naar kijkt. Het is allemaal economie, economie, economie. En ondertussen hebben we een zeer gepolariseerde samenleving waarin we amper meer door één door kunnen. Maar ja, die groei hebben we... jippie. En zelfs dat is niet zeker, omdat bepaalde groepen onevenredig in de bijstand zitten en misschien wel netto verlies zijn. Ik heb liever een slechtere economie met een sterke samenleving dan een goede economie met een zwakke, gepolariseerde samenleving
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  231. Ah, D66... de partij die pal achter immigratie van netto 100.000+ mensen per jaar staat (inwonersaantal van bijvoorbeeld Delft, elk jaar) en om ze te huisvesten natuurlijk ongelooflijk veel zullen moeten bijbouwen ten koste van natuur en met grote stikstofuitstoot, maar vervolgens tegen de boeren zegt dat "iedereen moet bijdragen". Sommigen meer dan anderen, aldus de D66, want de immigratie inperken om minder te hoeven bouwen daar is absoluut geen sprake van natuurlijk. Het is een in en in hypocriete partij. Ze bekritiseren ook Brazilië en hun boskappen terwijl hier in NL percentueel net zo veel bos verdwijnt als daar, onder meer vanwege D66 beleid om zo veel bij te bouwen. Rob Jetten heeft al eerder te kennen gegeven dat Nederland een "Berlijn aan de Rijn" moet worden, oftewel één grote randstad. En dat is ook waar we heen gaan met het huidige beleid als je kijkt hoeveel we al hebben bijgebouwd de laatste 20 jaar en hoe we daarmee alsnog niet de populatiegroei (lees: immigratie, want ons geboortecijfer staat op krimp en migratie is de enige reden dat we groeien) kunnen bijbenen. Boeren moeten volgens de D66 niet "zoals iedereen bijdragen", ze moeten gewoonweg plek maken voor het D66 plan om Nederland in steeds hogere mate te verstedelijken om de alsmaar groeiende Nederlandse populatie te huisvesten. Populatiegroei die niet natuurlijk gebeurt, maar door ons is aangestuurd nav hoeveel mensen wij jaarlijks toelaten. En de natuur moet daar ook maar plek voor maken. Dat is wat er nu gebeurt. Als je voor het behoud of uitbreiding van de natuur bent, kun je niet voor de D66 zijn. Als je voor de boeren bent, kun je ook niet voor D66 zijn. De D66 staat voor megastad Nederland met een vooral door immigratie aangewakkerde populatiegroei, allemaal om de economie een beetje beter te laten draaien. Consequenties: hevige overpopulatie, landschapspijn 2.0 (vogels weg uit de natuur was nog niet pijnlijk genoeg? Wat dacht je van een zeer verstedelijkt NL met steeds minder groen?), mogelijke integratieproblematiek en polarisatie die nog verder uit de hand loopt naarmate er meer migranten zijn en meer. Maar ja, economische groei, geld! Joehoe! Dat is het verpesten van onze natuur, wegpesten van de boeren en mogelijk hevig beschadigen van onze cultuur en saamhorigheid totaal waard, toch? Ik ben dit soort economie-centrale denken totaal zat...
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  246.  Austin Cox  And conservatives like you ignore the current costs. The US pays literally twice as much in healthcare as nations with public healthcare. The US spends 17% of its GDP on healthcare, a country like the UK 8%, the Netherlands 10%. Both have vastly superior systems to boot. And I'm not cherrypicking either, nobody comes even close. Public healthcare provides superior care and is cheaper at the same time. Y'know, unless you structurally underfund it like in Canada because they don't want to pay a dime more than they did in the 1970s, but if they want waiting lines that's their issue. The money you spend now on healthcare is used insanely inefficiently. You could fund an NHS equivalent two times over just by redirecting the money you spend today. The status quo is unacceptable. Being a Trump supporter means you have at least some sense of the corporate swamp that US politics is and you may want to do something about it. For that you have my respect, even if we disagree on how to change things. And I don't see where this "patient influx" argument comes from. That's going to happen, but is not at all an issue if it's perfectly foreseeable how much medicine and capacity is needed to deal with it. Do you think that happened in any of the many nations with public healthcare today? A public healthcare system is a huge project, it's not going to be there overnight. It takes proper organisation and proper preparation. Maybe a long transition period. Perhaps you'll end up spending more than the rest of the world is because of your argument that Americans are unhealthy, but no matter how you spin it, public is cheaper than private. Let's say you're TWICE as unhealthy as the UK (you're not), you'd still be able to pay a twice as expensive NHS with the money you pay NOW. The Germans have had nationalised Medicare for All since fucking 1883, under hyperconservative "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck. And here you are in 2020 thinking you can't deal with the change. The excuses are just jarring at this point. Your conservatives don't care for America, they care for corporations. A true nationalist would have provided public healthcare for Americans long ago, because it's simply the better option. Anyone that cares either for America from a nationalist point of view or cares for the American people from a leftist/socialist point of view should come to the same logical conclusion. This isn't even about left versus right, conservative versus socialist, it is about the interests of the American people versus corporate interests. It's good that you don't fear socialism, because sometimes nationalists and socialists alike simply have to admit it's best for the nation. In many other subjects one could argue whether socialism is a good thing or not, but I don't even see how a good faith argument is possible on public healthcare. It's at this point such a proven system abroad and the current system has gotten out of hand so badly that I don't see how anyone in their right mind can still support the status quo. The only obstacle left are people that don't care for the interests of the American people to begin with and would rather see corporations rake in massive profits at their expense. That and people who have a sickly aversion to any kind of change and fear public healthcare for that reason. Again, 1883 Otto von Bismarck...... same guy who passed anti-socialist laws that banned social democrats (not even actual socialists!) from spreading their ideology to "thwart the socialist menace". Now why would a hyperconservative man like that introduce government-imposed public healthcare... ? Because even he thought it was best for his nation. He even said it was one of the easiest laws to pass through parliament... lmao. Just goes to show how toxic this public debate about "muh communism" has become in the US. Americans are being mass brainwashed by corporate media and American politicians bought en masse by corporate "donations". Wake up. You need to turn conservatism into a nation-loving ideology again, rather than the corporate shilling it is now. And since you're a Trump supporter I suspect you agree.
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  250. Zo grappig... Baudet en FvD hebben letterlijk boeken vol geschreven met hun opvattingen, maar dat gooien ze uit het raam om één woord. Oh hij zei boreaal..... dus al zijn gedetailleerde opvattingen over waar hij voor staat zijn nu irrelevant omdat ik dat woord op een bepaalde manier interpreteer. Dit is inderdaad claimen beter te weten waar iemand voor staat dan hijzelf. En dat is gevaarlijk. Hoe kun je een debat met iemand hebben wanneer je er op basis van één dubieus woord in het verleden er standaard vanuit gaat dat die persoon één of andere verborgen agenda heeft en geen van de argumenten die hij presenteert gemeend zijn? Er is genoeg kritiek te hebben op Baudet, maar dit soort verdachtmakingen zijn gewoon walgelijk. Hiermee sluit je iemand vanaf het begin uit van een debat omdat je denkt te weten waar die "echt" voor staat. Op basis van dubieuze woorden en vermoedens natuurlijk, geen gegronde argumenten. Stel je voor dat rechts tegen links zou zeggen "ja, je zegt voor een democratische samenleving te zijn, maar eigenlijk zijn jullie gewoon dictatoriale communisten!" en vice versa "ja, je zegt voor een democratische samenleving te zijn, maar eigenlijk zijn jullie gewoon dictatoriale fascisten!". En zodoende luistert niemand naar de eigenlijke argumenten van de tegenpartij en heeft iedereen zijn eigen stropop opgezet om tegen te redeneren. Dit soort denken, mocht het uit de bocht vliegen, betekent het einde van inhoudelijk argumenteren en daarmee het einde van een functionerende democratie. Dit is niet alleen dom, het is gevaarlijk.
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  276.  @xCorvus7x  This nuance is important because pretty much only the far right uses the "all migrants are welfare-suckers" talking points and everyone knows that's nonsense. The grand, grand majority of complaints about migrants speak of certain types of migrants being unwanted and propose a strict immigration policy comparable to Australia (which still takes in wanted expats). Usually they say "group X and Y is disproportionately in welfare and/or crime, therefore they haven't or can't integrate into our society properly, therefore immigration from that country needs to be more strict or completely stopped". The right isn't this caricature you're presenting that literally wants zero immigration because they think somehow all migrants are bad or even that all coloured migrants are bad. In fact, usually it's the left that relies on fallacious arguments like "yes, but not all so let's continue the mass immigration policy". Not all of the left, though, as there are several parties that at least do see the problem of large amounts of economic migrants from safe countries coming along with real refugees. The problem with your comment is that you set up a strawman argument wherein you reduce anti-immigration arguments into a caricature that's dead easy to debunk. Arguments you're going to need to be debunking are statements like "70% of Somalians are in welfare, therefore this group can't properly integrate into our society, therefore it's a massive risk and money sink to allow more Somalians to immigrate, therefore immigration from Somalia needs to be stopped". Just for context, Dutch citizens are 4% in welfare and EU migrants 2-3%. They also use this argument for crime stats: "20% of Moroccans are in welfare and despite being only 2% of the population they make up over 10% of prison inmates (making them overrepresented by a factor of 5 both in terms of welfare and crime), therefore importing Moroccans is costly and bad for safety, therefore immigration from that country needs to stop". These are the types of arguments used in the anti-migration camp.
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  300. Dat klopt, we betalen een zeer hoge prijs voor de status van koploper. Het eigenlijke effect is laag: de EU stoot 10% van de CO2 uit wereldwijd, Nederland stoot 4.7% van het totaal van de EU uit. Wij zitten dus op 0.47% van de wereldwijde uitstoot (dit zijn statistieken van 2018, sindsdien is de uitstoot van de EU en Nederland beiden gedaald). China alleen al verwachtte in 2018 nog eens 4.7% wereldwijde uitstoot toe te nemen, dus tien keer de totale uitstoot van Nederland erbij. Dat heet dweilen met de kraan open. De transitie moet geleidelijk en goedkoop gaan, gebaseerd op kwaliteit voor geld. De transitie dreigt nu een soort koploper strijd te worden waarin we miljarden euro's tegen windmolens en dergelijke aangooien, puur om de eerste te zijn en zo snel mogelijk de doelstellingen te halen. Wat krijg je daar voor terug? Duurdere, minder kwalitatieve energiebronnen en natuurlijk een klop op de schouder van andere landen, waar het voor het kabinet om draait.... Massaal windmolen en dergelijke neerzetten is geen goed beleid, het kijkt niet goed genoeg naar de toekomst. Het gaat om nu, nu, nu, snel, snel, snel. Het is duur, het is niet duurzaam (elke 20 jaar vervangen) en het is maar weinig rendabel. We moeten hier niet halsoverkop in mee gaan, maar SLIM aan onze toekomst bouwen. Dat betekent investeren in technologie die veel duurzamere en rendabelere oplossingen biedt, waar we zelfs winst aan kunnen overhouden vanwege dalende olie-uitgaven. Maar ja, dat duurt wat langer! En hoe langer we dat uitstellen met tussenoplossingen als windmolens, hoe langer het duurt voordat de écht duurzame oplossingen er zijn. 0.47% van de werelduitstoot is NIET honderden miljarden waard terwijl China in één jaar tijd tien keer groeit wat wij in 30 jaar tijd willen krimpen, tenzij dat geld zeer goed besteed is voor de langere termijn en ons in de toekomst geld bespaart. Er wordt niet verantwoord met ons geld omgesprongen met dit koplopersgepraat. Het gaat niet om de nietsbetekenende status van koploper, het gaat om een deugdelijke toekomst. En die twee sluiten elkaar soms uit.
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  309. Dit is wat er gebeurt als de politieke islam je land teistert. Wij moeten niet alleen ervoor zorgen dat wij alle fundamentalistische moslims weren uit ons eigen land, maar ik geloof ook echt dat we wereldwijd de oorlog moeten verklaren aan dat fundamentalistische gedachtegoed. Het is gewoon onwerkelijk dat landen als Saoedi Arabië onze bondgenoten zijn, terwijl zij schuldig zijn aan het wereldwijd verspreiden van zeer fundamentalistische interpretaties van de islam (wahhabisme, salafisme of zelfs gewelddadige interpretaties van terroristen). Daar moeten we tegen vechten. En we zouden ons moeten schamen dat wij met onze mooie moderne legertjes niets hebben bereikt in Afghanistan omdat de Taliban simpelweg de bergen in ging. Ik herinner nog die militair (Apache piloot, geloof ik) die naar buiten trad over hoe nutteloos onze missies eigenlijk zijn en dat we niet veel meer doen dan toezicht houden. Schandalig. We hebben geen nutteloze politieke interventies nodig, maar effectieve militaire interventies. Nog schandaliger, overigens, is dat wij zelf terroristische groeperingen steunen als het ons goed uit komt vanuit regime change perspectief (Syrië, Libië en ja.... Afghanistan een tijdje terug door Amerika). Daar moet het westen mee kappen, gewoon stoppen met die onzin, wat maakt het mij uit dat Syrië een dictator heeft, altijd beter dan oorlog. We moeten gewoon kijken wat we redelijkerwijs kunnen doen in situaties als Afghanistan, het liefst een militaire interventie die de Taliban helemaal kapot maakt, gekoppeld met versterking van het Afghaanse leger zoals we dat nu al doen. En maak er geen westerse missie van, betrek misschien landen als Rusland erbij. Gewoon een moderne kruistocht tegen fundamentalistische islam, hopla weg ermee. Dit keer niet vanuit het christendom, maar vanuit ons geloof in vrijheid en veiligheid.
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  312.  @jeredansurgeon1056  Utter nonsense. "It's man's hatred that fuels violence, not a book"... These people don't just randomly hate gays, they do so because their ideology, which they deeply believe in beyond even facts. Religion is illogical. If you're faced with a deeply religious muslim who believes gays should be killed, you have absolutely zero chance of converting him. He'd be too deeply stuck in his ideology and too blind to rational thinking. The reason we in the west accepted gays is because we tend to place rationality and consideration for one another above religion. It's a cultural feature of ours. Some other cultures have the same, others may not. Some cultures place religion above everything and are stuck in that really starkly. It's extremely naive to think "showing your good side" would help against someone deeply stuck in his ideology. Humans are not intrinsically good. We are largely guided by the culture and ideology we are part of, things that shape our world view. Ideology has such a strong effect on people that it could make what was at the time the best educated population of the world, go fascist and murder millions of people in concentration camps. That it could make communists kill their countrymen because they were dissidents and cause mass starvation because it was 'necessary' for reaching the elusive utopia. That it could make highly educated, intelligent people blow themselves up amongst innocent civilians and even children because they believed their god wanted them to do it. The bombers in Sri Lanka were mostly educated and rich men. People like Bin Laden were highly educated. Who we are and what we do is shaped in part by our innate personalities and qualities, but also in very large part by our world view. The western culture we grew up in values freedoms, consideration and science above all. Once the plight of gays became visual to us it was inevitable that we'd accept them to be full parts of our societies. Islamic culture values the religion above all. They don't give a damn about the plight of anyone, they will literally stone gays to death, literally cut off the hands of thieves and more. This is the harsh reality in the more conservative muslim majority countries. Are there more moderate muslim countries which don't follow the laws as strictly? Yes, thankfully there are, it's not all bad. But should we ignore that islam propagates seriously anti-gay ideology and has a very significant following that is fundamental enough to follow that ideology down to the letter? No, that would be ignorant to reality: the reality that not all cultures/ideologies are the same and that some are better than others. There is no universal humanity in everyone that can be called upon by "showing them your good side". In some cultures that might work, in others you have little to no chance. If you're a jew facing a concentration camp guard deeply into his nazi ideology, you're never going to convince him you're good. That man deeply believes that you're barely even human and is backed up in his belief by the ideology he follows and the people that believe the same. The same is true for fundamentalist muslims. They don't think for themselves, they don't even remotely care for your feelings or your life even. If you're faced with an IS terrorist and you're gay, he will murder you without reproach. No matter how kind you are, no matter how much he might like you. It's predetermined what he'll do. Most of our actions are guided by our world view. Even the fact that we don't think it's normal to kill eachother is the result of the social contract of hundreds of thousands of years ago and NOT the intrinsic goodness of humans. We are animals just like the others. We live in groups and don't kill eachother (within those groups) because it was a viable survival strategy, not because it was somehow intrinsic to us. It's an intrinsic part of every culture now. Even that basic moral rule was never a given, it only developed that way because of evolutionary circumstances. That's why we now believe killing is wrong; because society has taught us it is. Can societies/cultures change? Yes, they do constantly. Can people change? Of course. But they do with great difficulty and usually slowly. There is no way to just convince a fundamentalist muslim that sharia law is wrong. All we can accept at this time is that we have fundamentally different world views that are incompatible with one another. We can try to influence them to change in the long run, perhaos with success perhaps not. But we can't understate what it means to import people with fundamentally different world views here. Even migrant children that were literally born here, even their children, even their children's children, STILL are not fully integrated into our societies. Here in the Netherlands a government study reveiled that the now third generation migrants have become MORE conservative islamic than their grandparents who came here and feel LESS at home here. It's a tragedy that we failed to integrate them even when born here. Even for these populations PART of our societies it is the question whether they will EVER become as tolerant of LGBT as we are and if so, how many full generations it shall take. Importing fundamentalist muslims means you get a larger and larger group of people in your country that has radically different views on many things, including LGBT rights. There is no guarantee that they will become as tolerant as we are, even when born here. Perhaps they will immediately fit in, perhaps it will take a generation of two, perhaps it will take literal centuries, perhaps it will never happen and they'll forever stick to their fundamentalist views. We should stop being naive and start seeing how much of a gamble it is to try and mix vastly different cultures. It could go well, but it could also go spectacularly wrong. There will be people who fit in, but there will also be people that seriously clash with your values. And the latter create massive issues with polarisation and hate in your society, which might possibly persist for centuries.
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  323.  @Innoruuk  In the Netherlands we built a bunker to store nuclear waste. In Finland they place it in old mines. Seems rather simple. Nobody died in Fukushima, Chernobyl was a dumb mistake and saying we should not get into nuclear power because of the grave mistakes that were made there is like saying we should never fly again because a pilot once did something extremely stupid, ignoring all safety protocols, and crashed s commercial plane (or more relevant today, because Boeing ignored safety protocols in building their new commercial plane because they wanted to produce it quickly and caused two of them to crash). Such grave errors in following safety protocols can't be a reason to stop using nuclear power. Fukushima happened because a massive earthquake AND tsunami hit a nuclear plant. The plant was immediately stopped after the initial earthquake. Regular electrity failed, so they switched to emergency power to cool the plant. The tsunami then took out the emergency power. Then there were second back-up batteries that could cool the plant for several hours, expecting the regular electricity to be back up soon. Electricity never came back up and the batteries ran out, thus causing the accident. Since then, nuclear reactors worldwide have taken notes about additional safety measures. What happened in Fukushima was extreme and still nobody died. If something like that were to happen again, new plants should be protected against even situations like that due to additional safety protocols. But to pretty much all nuclear plants, especially here in Europe, such extreme circumstances will never occur in the first place.
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  372. Dit is ons verdiende loon. Er zijn hier ook Iraanse terroristen die daar tientallen mensen hebben opgeblazen en omdat wij geen uitleveringsverdrag met Iran hebben hier vrolijk rondlopen. Een jaar geleden had Iran als laatste redmiddel nog eentje vermoord in NL die naar verluid 70+ mensen had opgeblazen. En wij maar klagen, maar dan natuurlijk wel juichen als de VS precies hetzelfde doet in Pakistan met Osama Bin Laden. Criminelen moeten gepakt worden, punt. Misschien kunnen we iets regelen met Iran over Taghi als wij ook wat vermeende terroristen aan hen uitleveren. Voor wat hoort wat, maar daar is dan wel een verdrag voor nodig. Een ander alternatief zou zijn om Iran te vragen om van een paar vermeende terroristen het bewijs tegen ze aan te leveren en hier die terroristen te veroordelen voor wat ze in Iran hebben gedaan, in ruil voor uitlevering van Taghi. Die Taghi moet echt gepakt worden, anders laten we zien dat je met een aanslag op de rechtsstaat weg kan komen. Als het echt moet zou ik er zelfs niet tegen zijn om commando's op 'm af te sturen om 'm op te pakken of linea recta neer te schieten want het gaat hier echt om de bescherming van onze rechtsstaat. Vanaf het moment dat hij die advocaat om zeep hielp was hij niet meer een crimineel, maar de meest gezochte terrorist van Nederland. Zijn gedrag mag geen voorbeeld worden voor de toekomst, dus moeten we een manier vinden om te laten zien dat je daar nooit mee weg komt en wij alles zullen doen om je te pakken te krijgen. Terroristen jagen we na, desnoods door ze uit de weg te ruimen maar het beste is natuurlijk om ze voor de rechter te krijgen als ultieme overwinning van de rechtsstaat.
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  376.  @oropher1234  Kom op zeg, gaan we elke populist nu vergelijken met Hitler? Los van hoe je het verkeerd hebt, doe dit nou niet... Dit is echt gevaarlijk. Straks dan krijgt iemand het gestoorde idee om Baudet te vermoorden, net als Fortuyn. Je speelt hier met levens. Dat terzijde, de FvD is de NSDAP zoals de SP de Communistische partij van de CCCP is... Je maakt een vergelijking op basis van heel milde overeenkomsten. Je kan niet serieus zeggen dat kennelijk elke partij die het heeft over een nieuw geluid en het verslaan van de elite (het typische populisme-geluid) letterlijk te vergelijken is met Nationaal Socialisme. Dat is net zo verkeerd als zeggen dat de SP links is en allerlei socialistische dingen wil, dus lijken ze op de CCCP onder Stalin. Slaat totaal nergens op. Je moet naar inhoud kijken. Je bent een partij die Forum voor Democratie heet en meer directe democratie wil aan het vergelijken met fascisten die de democratie te ineffectief vonden en één ongekozen autoritaire overheid wilden. Je bent een partij die openlijk tegen militaire interventies en het demoniseren van Rusland is aan het vergelijken met een groep die zowat de hele economie om hun oorlogsdrang bouwden en één groot Germaans-Europees rijk wilden stichten. Kom nou... dit moet stoppen. Je zegt eigenlijk dat Baudet vergelijkbaar is met de man die Europa van de afgrond heeft gestort in de jaren 40. Dat vind ik walgelijk. Je weet wat er met Fortuyn is gebeurd, je weet dat dat kwam omdat Volkert van der Graaf precies zo dacht over Fortuyn toendertijd. Je moet hier echt mee stoppen. De enige overeenkomst tussen Baudet en Hitler is dat ze beiden charismatisch waren en populistische retoriek gebruikten, maar er zijn zo veel voorbeelden van mensen die zo zijn/waren. Dat heeft inhoudelijk niets maar dan ook echt niets met de ideologie van de Nationaal Socialisten te maken. Populisme, getypeerd door de afkeer van de "elite", het centraal stellen van het volk, charismatisch leiderschap en meer, is iets wat van oudsher vele malen voor is gekomen. In goede, maar ook slechte mensen. Het is zeer onverantwoord om iedereen die binnen die definitie valt rechtstreeks te vergelijken met de NSDAP alsof ze een groot gevaar vormen voor de samenleving. Je creëert hiermee een vals beeld dat mogelijk in geweld eindigt. Stop daarmee
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  402. ​ @jsbart96  I'm not trying to justify their relative plight to European New Zealanders today. Whatever can be done to alleviate that must be done. I'm merely criticising the argument that this is all because of "colonialism". Unless you want to argue that the New Zealand civilisation unfairly distributes its benefits and specifically leaves Maoris behind, it can't be argued that that civilisation is the cause of their falling behind. If everyone within that civilisation is treated as equal, the problem is not that civilisation. Your second point is untrue. Maoris are traditionally minded people, if they did transition to civilisation, it is highly unlikely they'd get near the living standards of the west today. Non-western countries that are on the same (or higher) level of living standards as the west are exceptions in the world and almost exclusively located in the Far East. You don't just get to the absolute top of living standards with ease. Countries that today are on the level of the west either were built by Europeans, previously colonised by Europeans and took what they learned to greater heights than their colonisers ever did (Singapore, Hong Kong) or already had a long history of being a relatively powerful and prosperous entity themselves (China, Japan). Tribal peoples can't just make a transition into civilisation just like that and be on the level of the west. It's too much of a cultural shift to make in a short time. The civilisations of Europe (and diaspora) and East Asia are built upon the experience of many previous great civilisations, going back thousands of years. Reaching what we and several other countries have reached is a gradual process that requires lots of experience. White nationalists use that argument as an excuse to justify past wrongdoings (and perhaps to do them again). I'm not part of them and use that argument to counter the idea that European wrongdoings can be singled out and made to appear as if they were the only or even foremost evil at the time. That would be like blaming Ancient Rome for all violence 2000 years ago, even though Germanic tribes were famous for their incessant wars amongst one another. It is not realistic and not fair. The only difference between your average culture and European culture is that the latter had the technology to conquer farther beyond their borders. As to your last point, I agree. If there are effects being felt today they should be mitigated. But I'm not a fan of reparations, the mitigation should be more long term than simply money. If there is a colonial cause for Maoris not doing as well as others, they should be materially helped to the point where they are on acceptable levels of living standards. In any case I'm a big fan of honouring Maori culture more to compensate for what has been done (not really to compensate, but to restore the Maori culture's importance to New Zealand to what it should be). But to pay reparations for past actions simply because we would today consider them as wrong... no. Let the past be the past and the present the present. And insofar the past unduly affects the present, rectify only the present injustices to regain balance.
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  422. Idioot VVD beleid... het grootste probleem is bevolkingsgroei . Bevolkingsgroei die vrijwel geheel door immigratie komt en waar wij dus gewoon controle over hebben. Je kan niet én met 150k (meer dan een stad als Delft!) per jaar groeien én iedereen huisvesten én de natuur beschermen/uitstoot beperken. Er moeten op een gegeven moment keuzes worden gemaakt. Wij willen Nederland niet helemaal volbouwen ten koste van de natuur, wij willen geen overbevolkt Nederland en wij willen ook geen huizentekorten meer. De simpele oplossing is om eens een keer NA TE DENKEN over hoeveel migratie eigenlijk wenselijk is voor NL ipv de grenzen wagenwijd open te zetten "want economie". Wij hebben niets aan die extra economische groei van expats e.d. als we in een overbevolkt rotland leven waarin wij niet eens een huis kunnen vinden. Met de VVD is het altijd maar en en en... maar soms moet je keuzes maken, duidelijke keuzes. De migratie hoeft echt niet naar nul of zo, maar we moeten wel nadenken over welk aantal wij als land aankunnen. Wat wij wenselijk vinden met het oog op de huizenmarkt, populatie en natuurverlies ivm bouw. Beleid gaat niet alleen om de economie, het gaat om het totaalplaatje van geluk in Nederland. Dat totaalplaatje kent de VVD niet. Als de economie als een malle groeit maar ik in één grote randstad woon zonder natuur, geen huis kan vinden en het veel te druk is dan ben ik niet blij. Dan is NL ondanks de economische groei verworden tot een rotland om in te wonen. Geluk gaat om een mooie balans tussen welvaart, cultuur, natuur en veel meer. Bij de VVD is de balans zoek; groei, groei, groei, ten koste van alles.
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  432. S. Michael DeHart aka WVUmounties8  Funny that you show exactly the kind of behaviour that makes the US system so rotten and shameful. You lot just can't work together. Democrats are evil to republicans, republicans are evil to democrats, both try to sabotage eachother's policies even if this blocks the entire government from functioning. It is an absolute disgrace. Here in the Netherlands our last government was one of the most leftist and right wing parties we have here working together in a coalition, compromising where needed and choosing to give up some of their party ideals in the interest of the country. And it went great, too. That is what taking responsibility looks like, not crashing the entire government to a political standstill out of personal gain. The political climate in the US is an absolute disgrace to democracy, a filthy stain on the west, exemplary of how NOT to organise a rule of law. And here I mention only one of many issues you have. I could discuss politicians being completely dependent on corporate "donations" to function and conflict of interest, the complete politisation of the supreme court even though politics shouldn't have a role in independent courts, the complete lack of diversity within congress/senate with only two parties (by comparison we have about 20 in parliament here...), the excessive idolisation of the president, the somewhat excessive power of the president within the trias politica, the politisation of district attorneys, etc. etc. etc. etc. You live in an inherently broken rule of law, and not just broken in one way either. That is why the US system is a disgrace, not "muh liberals". A democrat would say "muh republicans"
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  443.  @DocRealTalk  And if you make James Bond black you go against the character of James Bond, who is described as brown haired with blue eyes. Remember that even Daniel Craig got shit for his JB role in the beginning because he's blonde, not brown haired. I'll admit that for me personally I think Idris Elba is such a great actor with that James Bond flair that I'd make an exception for him, but generally speaking it's a bad thing to change characters like that. It shouldn't be impossible, but done only by exception and with good reasoning behind it. If an actor simply doesn't look like the role, that's a hard obstacle to overcome. And the lesser you look like your role, the bigger the obstacle is. We can't just go around changing characters drastically because of, well... nothing. "There should be more black icons" is not an argument to change existing non-black characters, it's an argument to create more films with black icons in them. I loved Black Panther, for example, and would love to see more films set in Africa and representing African culture. But changing white characters is the wrong direction. Not only is it the wrong direction, but it's in itself very questionable. What you're essentially saying is that to have more black icons, you need to appropriate "white" stories and change them into "black" stories. In truth there's a wealth of African, African American and more possibilities out there for films that would diversify films for the better. Diversity is not about skin colour. Taking a European fairy tale and making the main character black (what they did with Little Mermaid) is not "diversity". Representing African mythology by making a new fairy tale film about that (coincidentally, there are actually mermaids in Afrian mythology too) is diversity. There's a wealth of such opportunities that Hollywood leaves in the trash just to insert black characters in non-black roles because "diversity". Real diversity suffers because of this. Real diversity is about culture, not skin colour. Real diversity is representing African stories, not inserting Africans into European stories as if African stories are worthless.
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  444. +Shamsudeen Sodangi You're correct that Africans did develop written language and much more, but Africans didn't choose to sell other Africans or even worse; the west instigated slavery? That is pure nonsense. Slave trade was popular in Africa since far before Europeans even were present at all. The Arabs conducted slave trade for 13 centuries, Europe did so in 3. Europe transported 12 million African slaves across the atlantic. Arabs took in possibly over 20 million slaves from Africa and Europe. Now the European trade was worse in the sense that more were taken in shorter time, but my point is that slave trade was going on with Arabs and within Africa for centuries before the Europeans even came along. It was not "created by the West" and yes, Africans did choose to sell other Africans to Arabs (though they also forcefully took slaves), Europeans and other Africans. Slave trade happened with Europeans or without them. Even with or without Arabs. Slave trade would in fact still be a thing in Africa if Europe didn't end it. Europe didn't just end their own trade, but also stopped Africans from selling to other Africans and Arabs from taking any more slaves. Though even today there is illegal slave trade in Africa and the Middle East alike. The Atlantic slave trade was horrible and probably the worst trade ever conducted (some will argue the Arab trade was worse due to taking more people overall, but the European trade took more people in shorter time), but don't take it too far and blame everything on it.
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  452. All Bernie wants is to have the same system in America as is already in place in most of Western Europe. A system that consistently proves itself to be superior to the US when it comes to quality of life and happiness ratings. I don't see how anyone can be against that. Regarding "taking other people's stuff", that is exactly why the US is in trouble today. You work, your work generates X amount of value/profit, but it's NOT you that gets that profit yourself. No, your boss takes the value that YOU created and in return gives you a wage that is only a fraction of the money you generated for him; he took a vast percentage of the value you created for himself. He took other people's stuff. Now there's nothing wrong with this, as you just entered into a contract with your boss and this is all legal. And people in more important positions, who take bigger risks and provide people with job opportunities ought to get more money. But when they take too high of a percentage (because they can basically decide freely how much they take), this can create serious issues. The percentage that workers get back should be at least somewhat fair and good enough for those workers to live a more or less comfortable life, while corporations still get a respectable profit. Otherwise, the life of their employees is absolutely miserable while the corporation walks away with pretty much all of the money that their employees generated for them. Another aspect in which people are taking other people's stuff already in the current system is for example drug costs in healthcare. Some drugs in the US are priced at ten times the amount they cost in Western Europe. Why? Because pharmaceutical industries don't charge you the cost of a product; they charge you as high a price as they can get away with. And in the US they can get away with ridiculous prices. They take other people's stuff. The cost of their product is the production costs and the money needed to give everyone involved a fair pay for their work, but that is not what they ask. They ask a price significantly above what the drugs are actually worth and in doing so they take your money, they take your stuff. You're in essence being ripped off. And this too is fine because this profit they can use to invest in more drugs, to grow their company and of course they use it to give massive bonuses to the CEOs and investors (never the employees though). But again... when they ask too high of a price and take too much (because again they can essentially get away with insane prices in the US), things can get out of hand. Drugs and medicine in general can become so insanely expensive that citizens no longer go to doctors even with dire conditions. It can mean that even if citizens want to treat their illness they simply can't afford the treatment, even if it's literally life threatening. Right now in the US, 500k people go bankrupt yearly due to medical costs and several thousands die unnecessarily due to inaccessible treatment. Many also commit suicide because of medical debts. All because insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry want to take other people's stuff by artificially raising the prices of drugs and asking a very high insurance fee for very low coverage. At the centre of this story is this: the way wealth is distributed should be more or less fair. This doesn't mean taking away everything or even most of what corporations and rich people have. It just means either making sure they can't take too much from the employees or customers (for example a minimum wage raise and some government action that causes drug prices to go down) or taking stuff from the corporations to offset what they have taken from us (and I don't mean offset in the sense of taking everything back, but offset to make sure an acceptable share of the money goes back to the employees while corporations still get their profit). TL:DR To blame Bernie for "taking other people's stuff" is redundant because he seeks to take back a fraction of what corporations have already taken from us, so that the overall balance in the wealth we all get is more fair. Corporations are taking stuff from us at an unprecedented rate because all they care for is maximum profit. Not whether their employees have decent lives, not even whether their would-be patients literally die.
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  455. +Johnny c You act as if we don't have constitutions ourselves. We have constitutions, a European constitution, European treaties on human rights, etc. etc. nearing almost 10 documents that protect various rights, including many that the US constitution doesn't protect. As for democracy and the tyranny of the majority, you fail to understand why we are more socialist than the US. We are tight societies in which the people are willing to pay for the wellbeing of other members of that same society. I proudly pay taxes, knowing that my fellow Dutchmen will benefit (and perhaps me, should I somehow get in trouble). We are a society that takes care of eachother. If I lose my house and whatnot, my fellow countrymen have got my back. If someone else does, I have their back. This is why even the most right parties here are arguably still more socialist than the democrats; because we WANT other Dutchmen to profit from our collective wealth. You have to understand that in Europe we have lived here as societies for (tens of) thousands of years. Be it as some Germanic tribe or as a nation, we have been here as close-knit societies for literally thousands of years. We care for eachother, even for our fellow Europeans (why do you think the EU exists?). We may not be of the same specific "tribe"/nation, but the Germans are Germanic just like we are and therefore we care for them too and regarding more distant European countries they are European so we also care for them (but as always: own nation > northern/eastern/southern Europe group you belong to > more distant Europeans). It's about being close and like-minded and therefore being willing to help. The US is more individualistic because of a different and much shorter history. Our socialist tendencies can be explained from our culture and history, your much less socialist views can be explained from your specific culture and history. In America socialism may mean "I don't have responsibilites I have rights", but in Europe it means "I care about my countrymen and I got their back". Neither are strictly speaking wrong, but both do fit the respective countries/regions nicely. You make the mistake of applying your own cultural view to Europe and saying we have "no real liberty". Then I will do the same and tell you America is an ice cold society that doesn't give a damn about others whatsoever. Saying this is a mistake as I apply European views to a country with a vastly different history which perfectly explains the individualism.
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  458.  @rogiermerlijn  Parallellen, parallellen. Natuurlijk zullen er parallellen tussen een nationalist en een fascist getrokken kunnen worden. Beiden hangen een vorm van nationalisme aan. Fascisme is niks meer dan een extreme vorm van nationalisme. Ik zie ook parallellen tussen democratische socialisten en communisten (en nog erger, er zitten voormalig communisten in sommige linkse partijen), maar dat betekent niet dat ik verdachtmakingen aan hun adres de wereld in gooi dat ze anti-democratisch zijn en identiteitspolitiek voor de werkende klasse voeren, een anti-kapitalistische revolutie willen, etc. Nee, want communisme is de meest extreme versie van hun gedachtegoed, dus ik weet dat ik er niet zomaar vanuit kan gaan dat dat is waar ze voor staan. Dat kun je niet maken. Ik snap dat FvD nieuw is, omdat wij niet echt een nationalistische partij hebben gehad tot nu toe, maar je kan er niet zomaar vanuit gaan dat ze meteen de meest extreme vorm van nationalisme aanhangen, zeker niet als dit uitdrukkelijk en heel duidelijk wordt tegengesproken door het partijprogramma, hun opvattingen en de eerdere boeken/etc. die door Baudet en enige andere kopstukken binnen de FvD zijn geschreven. Het is heel fout om dit te doen, je zet hiermee een hele partij buiten spel. Wat hier gebeurt met de FvD is als wat er in Amerika aan de hand is met Bernie Sanders. Ze zijn daar niet gewend aan politici met opvattingen zoals hier in Europa (gezondheidszorg die compleet door de overheid is geregeld, wat veel verder gaat dan Obamacare. Uitgebreide sociale zekerheid, etc.), dus noemen ze Bernie Sanders een communist en wat niet. Ze worden geconfronteerd met nieuwe opvattingen, dus gaan ze er meteen vanuit dat dat de meest extreme variant van die politieke stroming is. En dat is fout omdat je een stropop opzet en totaal niet naar de eigenlijke argumenten luistert.
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  461. This is very sad to read... this gender nonsense is starting to be damaging. Everyone should just be themselves without thinking about what "gender role" to fit their personality into. Your personality is your personality. Nobody should either alter their personality to fit into a gender role or get confused about the sex they belong to based on what gender role their personality fits into. Gender is a social construct, it is not real. It used to be relevant in the days when society very strongly told men/women how they should behave, but those are times of the past. Now it's a lot less relevant. We should just let people be who they are without trying to put their personality into boxes. All this practice of creating new genders and such has to stop. Genders are largely useless social constructs that we don't need more of, but less. If you're a biological woman with a very male personality, that doesn't mean you're suddenly non binary or something, it just means you're a woman with personality traits more typically found in men, which is actually pretty common because there is no such thing as "male/female" character traits. There is too much overlap between personality traits when it comes to men and women to even make a clear distinction at all. So in my mind, a society that takes biological sex as starting point of identifier and then states all people should be whoever they are while still being addressed by their biological sex is best. Trans men/women are an exception to that rule because their identity issues are more closely connected to sex than gender; only they should be able to transition between sexes. But this gender non-binary stuff.... just say you're a man with a lot of "female" personality traits and be done with it. No "they/them" or whatever, just your sex and your personality. Problem solved.
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  462. +Marius Vorster Everyone knows the history of Israel and the BBC doesn't have to repeat it every damn time. Everyone damn well knows that it was Israel that was defending itself time and time again and kept some of the land they took in counterattacks. But guess what? That is no excuse to remove the population of the areas you take. If England attacks France and France counterattacks by taking all of England, does France have the right to remove all English people from their homeland? Of course not, it would still be an atrocity if they did that. Besides that, even if you defend yourself rightfully, under international law it's not allowed to then go on and take some land of the ones that attacked you. This isn't the 1800s or something, Israel did it in the post WW2 era, in which it was forbidden to do so. Under international law, Israel legally defended itself (and Arabs illegally attacked) but Israel then illegally took land and illegally removed the locals of that land. Strictly speaking both sides are in the wrong. If your opinion is that Israel should be able to keep the land and rightfully removed its inhabitants, fine. Your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you can't call the BBC biased for not sharing your opinion or not explicitly reporting about it. You calling the BBC biased is a bad joke. It's like someone calling the BBC biased if they report about Assad using chemical weapons being bad, because that person thinks it's somehow justified that Assad used them. It makes no sense. That person has the right to think that, but he can't call others biased for not sharing that opinion...
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  483. Global power is not just about hard power, it's about soft power too. For example, if you need to get China to do something, who is more likely to get them to do it? The UK is a global power because it influences you when you do something together, it influences the EU (for now) when the EU decides on something and it influences a multitude of countries when it engages in talks with the G20 and such and because it generally has good relationships with countries that make those countries sympathetic to the UK's cause. The UK is a global power because its voice is heard everywhere and because it influences everyone in some way, and of course its vast number of alliances. Ask yourself, if things ever escalate between the UK and US, who will be more likely to build a big alliance? The UK will almost certainly have the entire EU backing it (in or out doesn't even matter much), if China had to choose between the US and EU they'd more likely pick the EU at this point, if Russia had to choose they'd more likely side with Europe, if all of the African countries had to choose they'd more likely side with the one who gave them by far the most foreign aid (EU), etc. etc. etc. And what countries could the US count on? South Korea and Japan? Even Canada is questionable at best The ability to build a strong alliance through soft power beats hard power. In a US vs the world scenario your hard power is useless. Hell, in an EU + Russia scenario alone your hard power is already useless. Hard power is something that needs to be combined with soft power if you want to be a true global power. Another example is Russia vs US. One on one you might say Russia's military is so powerful that they even have a chance against the US, but if you take soft power into account... the EU is highly likely to side with the US (at this point it's already RIP Russia), China is a lot more likely to side with the economies it's become dependent on than Russia, etc. etc. etc. And what does Russia have? Belarus and maybe a few countries like Kazachstan? Comparing power is not about hard power only. Hard power probably is even less important than the ability to draw countries to your side to form one big block of hard power. There is an official list of countries with the most soft power and countries like France and the UK are always on top. Why? They have a very strong diplomatic network and a lot of countries that would love to help them if they ever need to get something done. The US obviously also is strong on this list, but not above those two. Think of any possible country attacking the UK that is capable of surviving the following alliance of countries that is likely to side with the UK; there is none. It's always pretty much the world vs that one country
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  488.  Yen Feng  Nah, in both WW1 and WW2 (especially WW1) your troops were massively outnumbered by other allies and would have little to no chance of taking over the areas we liberated. Your WW1 numbers are downright pathetic if you'd seriously want to attempt such a thing and while numbers in WW2 were considerable (3 million) you couldn't even take the UK if you wanted (7 million men in army and home guard not even counting any Empire forces that could be used, plus the Royal Navy was the primary force protecting all US shipments coming over the Atlantic from the Kriegsmarine, so....). Even France had more troops in Europe mere months after being liberated. Counting up the UK and all smaller allies (let alone the USSR which I haven't mentioned yet), the US would have no chance occupying western states like the USSR could in the East. The USSR was completely unopposed after defeating the Nazis in the areas they took, the US would have to contend with the British Empire and several smaller allies, plus a 3+ million strong French military in 1944-45 (poorly and quickly equipped, though), plus the US Navy depended on the Royal Navy to even get safely to Europe at all (US Navy dealt with Japan, RN fought the battle for the Atlantic plus dealt with European axis navies. Both had only relatively small amounts of ships in the other theatres), plus the USSR would inevitably seize the opportunity to mix in the fights. All in all, nope. And I could write even more about how the statement that the US "saved" Europe is ridiculous in WW2 and even more ridiculous in WW1, but I'll leave it at this for now.
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  495. ​ @jannijhof2083  Waar haal je die quote vandaan? De enige quote die er ietwat op lijkt is deze: "They are expected to reject the traditional role of supporting a husband and strive instead for an “equal” relationship in which “gender roles” are interchangeable." Dat is al heel wat anders dan wat je daar schrijft. En geboortebeperking is niet een noodzaak hier. Tenzij je de Nederlandse samenleving ineen wil zien storten... Bevolkingsgroei is een probleem in bijvoorbeeld Afrika. Hier zitten we op 1.4-1.6 kind per gezin en het zou beter zijn als dat iets hoger zou zijn. Lager dan dat en dan zitten we in zeer gevaarlijk terrein. Denk hier maar over na: als we straks op de 1.0 zitten, HALVEERT de Nederlandse bevolking in één generatie. Dat zou een crisis zijn voor onze samenleving. We kampen zelfs nu al met vergrijzing omdat na de bevrijding men tijdelijk zin had meer kinderen te krijgen. Dat heeft een effect op de leefbaarheid van onze samenleving nu en dan hebben we het over een minuscule verandering in de demografie vergeleken met de geboortecijfers die jij kennelijk wil in Nederland. We zitten echt al op het minimum. Een geboortecijfer dat veel lager zit dan nu zou een regelrechte catastrofe zijn. Krimp is niet erg, ik vind het toch al te druk in NL en zoals je zegt, het milieu. Daar ben ik het wel mee eens. Maar te veel krimp is absolute chaos. Moet je je voorstellen dat we in een generatie van 17 miljoen naar 9-10 miljoen gaan... Nee, Afrika heeft geboortebeperking nodig, wij eerder een verhoging van het geboortecijfer. Het hoeft niet te groeien, maar we moeten wel dichter bij de 2.0 komen en een stabielere bevolking hebben. Over de vermeende lijn in Baudet's uitspraken, ik vind het altijd bijzonder hoe hij keer op keer haarfijn uitlegt dat hij staat voor een inclusieve liberale natie-staat waar iedereen op zijn individuele kwaliteiten wordt beoordeeld, maar vervolgens allerlei uitspraken worden geïnterpreteerd als iets wat haaks daarop staat. Hij hoeft maar één keer boreaal te zeggen en dan is hij letterlijk een nazi volgens sommigen. Ik snap dat gewoon niet. Eén woord en dan worden allerlei genuanceerde en uitgebreide uitspraken over een liberale en inclusieve natie-staat opzij geschoven ten faveure van een vage theorie over fascisme en racisme. Al zijn uitspraken worden op de meest negatieve manier mogelijk geïnterpreteerd ipv in samenhang met andere uitspraken die hij heeft gedaan.
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  503.  Johnny Fishfingers  So it's happening in Norway too? I'm Dutch and over here in the Netherlands our government has been gripped by this neo-liberal idea of breaking apart our social services as well. "Marktwerking" they call it; privatising everything for maximum efficiency, they say. We've broken down our nationalised healthcare in favour of a system that Obama tried to copy later on with Obamacare: private insurance companies but everyone must insure themselves to keep the prices low. Those who can't afford it get government money to pay for insurance, so everyone is insured. It works, it works well, but there's a discussion going on whether we should go back to national healthcare and whether that was superior. In many other areas we're simply worse off with government austerity, which especially kicked in after the economic crisis. Nowadays, and this might be familiar to you too or perhaps it's just a Dutch thing, the government talks of the "participation society", which means civilians are expected to be more and more independent from the government and must take care of eachother so that the government doesn't have to. Essentially, we're expected to take our sick grandmother into our house and take care of them instead of sending them to an elderly home, so to speak. Guess where this is going... I wonder whether this neo-liberal trend is happening across Europe. Any of the Scandinavian countries were honestly the last places I'd expect this to be happening too. I thought it was just us in the Netherlands. And in Germany it always was terrible for poorer people and pensioners. Now more generally about capitalism, I don't think we're necessarily a victim of the market unless we personally are involved in it. Here in the Netherlands we have a pension system in which we pay small fees into a pension fund that is invested worldwide. This way we built an insane pension fund of right now 1400 billion euros for 17 million people. Just to illustrate how impressive this is: our pension fund is 60% of the EU total, just for 17 million people. Because of our collective use of the market. And if I have it right you have an even more impressive system with investing oil money into the market and funding social policies with it, also worth a trillion or more? Capitalism can be spinned to be to the benefit of the entire population. And there is an unspeakable amount of money left to claim just in tax evasion. All it requires is international action against tax havens. We used to be a notorious tax haven too, but in Europe we already are enacting policies against this phenomenon, which also has sparked the realisation that we must stop taking part in it. Regarding wages, yes that's a real problem with capitalism. If you ask me there should be more than just a minimum wage. Perhaps there should be a minimum wealth distribution percentage within companies. And a general salary + bonus limit to the CEOs and such. Normal rich is rich enough, exorbitantly rich is unnecessary and excessive. In the Netherlands we have a salary limit for government officials, which is around 300k per year. That's an excellent salary, but not exorbitant. Maybe corporate leaders could use similar limits. A fair percentage of the profit should also go to every employee, connecting them to the performance of the company. The biggest problem capitalism has today is globalism. We have no more control over corporations, they're no longer tied to our societies. They're entities that float above nations, looking for areas where they can gain maximum profit. This means settling in tax havens to pay minimal taxes. This means that if a country raises taxes or otherwise impedes corporations' max profit, the corporations will leave . International companies have unprecedented influence over our governments for this reason: we simply don't control them. The only remedy is to be too big for them to leave (think the size of the EU or US) and even then there are limits to what we can do as you seriously downgrade your competitionposition with too limiting rules. If you ask me, capitalism is workable as long as we can properly regulate it, but globalism is undermining that possibility. We can't battle tax evasion when corporations can go wherever they please and other countries take part in this race to the bottom of lowering taxes to rake in jobs. We need to either take global action against things like tax evasion or we must somehow tie corporations to their home country again. Then we can exert control over them and make capitalism at least sufferable and at best a pretty good system even for the lower classes.
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  514. @Tiemen Weistra Het "Kalergi plan" is onzin. Massa-immigratie komt door globalisme gecombineerd met het tegen willen gaan van vergrijzing en het wanhopig proberen te vullen van veelal lage inkomen banen die Nederlanders niet meer willen doen. Voor globalisten maakt cultuur en saamhorigheid niet uit, ze zien alleen maar de banen die gevuld moeten worden en de snelste manier om dat te doen is natuurlijk immigratie. Ze zijn blind voor de polarisatie e.d. problemen die het creëert. Kalergi was een Europees nationalist die pleitte voor een verenigd Europa om de economische en militaire macht van de VS te evenaren. Hij pleitte er ook voor dat Europa Afrika zou koloniseren. Kalergi heeft vandaag de dag nog een genootschap die zijn politieke nalatenschap vertegenwoordigt en zij zijn nog altijd Europese nationalisten (in de zin van de EU tot een nationalistisch land maken) en stonden tijdens de migratiecrisis bijvoorbeeld voor strenge bewaking van Europese grenzen om migranten buiten te houden. Het complot van het "Kalergi plan" komt van een passage uit zijn boek waarin hij voorspelt dat door globalisering de toekomstige mens gemixt zou zijn. Maar onderdeel van zijn politieke nalatenschap is absoluut niet een plan om dat te bevorderen of waar te maken. De Kalergi prijs wordt uitgereikt aan personen die zich hebben ingezet voor verdere Europese éénwording. Het doel van Kalergi was om van Europa een land te maken. Merkel ontving deze prijs in 2010 en dat is niet gerelateerd aan de migratiecrisis. Stop met het verspreiden van complottheorieën, dat draagt niets bij aan het gevecht tegen het globalistische denken en geeft ze eerder munitie om je een "domme populist" te noemen en vrolijk verder te gaan met de massa-immigratie. Als je tegen massa-immigratie bent moet je goede argumenten invoeren waarom het een drama is voor NL. Argumenten waar globalisten geen antwoord op hebben. Polarisatie, segregatie, overpopulatie, verhoogde criminaliteit (door zelfsegregatie en achterstanden in onderwijs en taal), verwatering van onze cultuur vanwege constante concessies die we moeten maken (zoals Zwarte Piet als één van vele aspecten daarvan) en veel meer zijn goede punten. Maar geen complottheorieën, stop daar alsjeblieft mee want het helpt niemand.
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  544. Blijf maar door gaan met de door immigratie aangezwengelde overpopulatie in Nederland. Elk jaar 100k mensen (de stad Delft) erbij met alle gevolgen van dien voor de dichtslibbende infrastructuur en achterblijvende woningbouw. De natuur en algehele leefbaarheid van Nederland staat steeds meer onder druk en de alsmaar groeiende bevolking is daar de grootste factor in. Het moet maar eens een keer stoppen, om nog niet eens over integratieproblematiek en de impact op de cultuur te praten (polarisatie, segregatie, leerachterstanden, criminaliteit e.d. hangen allemaal samen). Als de massa immigratie niet stopt is Nederland over een paar decennia helemaal volgebouwd (elk jaar het equivalent van de stad Delft bij, die allemaal ergens moeten werken en wonen, dus verstedelijking en industrialisering die maar niet stopt) en kan de infrastructuur ons reisgedrag niet meer aan (schade aan economie en meer). We zijn een klein landje, we zijn het meest dichtbevolkte land in Europa naast enkele eilandstaten en dat hoeft wat mij betreft niet nóg verder uit de hand te lopen. Dit eindigt in "randstad Nederland" waar heel ons land hevig verstedelijkt is. Ik ben nog jong (24) maar zelfs ik heb al meegemaakt hoe mijn dorp is verdubbeld in grootte en nu een middelgrote stad is geworden. Mijn ouders hebben waarschijnlijk kunnen zien hoe mijn dorp vertwintigvoudigde. Jullie zullen waarschijnlijk ook voorbeelden kennen van de drastisch uitdijende verstedelijking. Het moet stoppen als wij Nederland een leefbare en fijne woonplek willen houden. Steeds minder natuur, steeds meer stad. Waar eindigt het? Wat voor een toekomst gaan we tegemoet? Daar denken de meeste politieke partijen niet aan, die louter de korte termijn voordelen van immigratie zien (bestrijding vergrijzing, economische bijdrage) maar de toekomst van Nederland volledig verloochenen. Ze zijn zo blind voor de lange termijn gevolgen van beleid dat ze niet eens de relatie tussen 100k mensen per jaar binnenloodsen en een woningtekort zien. Onze politici lijden aan chronische kortzichtigheid en een drastisch gebrek aan visie. De massa-immigratie moet stoppen.
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  556. Dat komt door al die complottheorieën. Het is een soort traditie in Europa om de Joden dan weer de schuld te geven. En die complottheorieën bestaan doordat men bang is dat hun eigen land uiteindelijk verdwijnt. Dat zie je in die "great replacement" theorie, bijvoorbeeld. Deels gestoeld in de waarheid, als reactie op de massale toestroom van migranten en de snelle verandering die onze landen doormaakt hebben daardoor, maar nog verder uitvergroot en overdreven door te zeggen dat onze landen daar niet alleen te veel door zijn veranderd en slechter door zijn geworden, maar ook dat heel de Europese bevolking wordt vervangen door migranten en natuurlijk dat Joden daar achter zitten. Die complottheorieën zijn onzin en ook gevaarlijk zoals je in deze video ziet, maar toch is het belangrijk te begrijpen dat er meestal wat achter zit dat geen onzin is. Het is inherent aan mensen om dingen die wij niet begrijpen naar aanleiding van verhalen simpeler te maken. Dat deden wij met religie en dat is waarom complottheorieën van alle tijden zijn. Maar er zit altijd wat achter, altijd een écht gevoel van onbehagen gebaseerd op iets tastbaars. Wanneer het slecht gaat met de samenleving zul je steeds meer van die complottheorieën zien om uit te leggen wat er fout gaat en een zondebok aan te wijzen. Hoe meer wij onze landen veranderen met massale migratie en hoe instabieler de economie, hoe meer aanhangers van complottheorieën je zal zien. En als we het bont genoeg maken zullen die complottheorieën zeer angstaanjagende proporties aannemen. Het meest extreme voorbeeld is het nationaal socialisme, het gevolg van de jarenlange vernederingen en ongelooflijk moeilijke tijden na de Eerste Wereldoorlog. Op een gegeven moment zijn mensen zo gefrustreerd dat ze zeer ontvankelijk worden voor dat soort verhalen. En ik denk dat het naïef is om te denken dat dat niet nog een keer zou kunnen gebeuren. Hoe moeilijker men het heeft, hoe meer men tribaal gaat denken en hoe radicaler men wordt.
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  563. Hier is de VVD zo goed in... jarenlang een probleem laten bestaan totdat het systeem piept en kraakt en aan het einde (vaak ook naar aanleiding van hard geroep vanuit de samenleving of de opkomst van andere politieke partijen zoals de FvD of PVV) opeens erkennen dat er iets mis is en een (schijn?)oplossing opperen. En als ze herkozen zijn, op naar het volgende wanbeleid. De doodzondes van de VVD: - PAS laten voortbestaan ondanks waarschuwingen vanuit de RvS, waardoor ons hele land maanden op slot stond qua bouw en meer. - een beleid van massaimmigratie zonder dat wordt gedacht aan hoeveel NL aan kan. Zelfs de woningbouw houdt het niet bij als ze op volle toeren bouwen. - niets doen aan falende immigratiewetten die het migranten toestaan om letterlijk 5 keer achtereen te procederen en inmiddels 10 jaar in NL te bivakkeren. - een pijnlijk tekort aan visie voor de toekomst, altijd maar achter de feiten aanlopen (en zelfs in het achter de feiten aanlopen zijn ze betrekkelijk slecht omdat ze een probleem vaak jaren laten bestaan/escaleren voordat er iets gebeurt, laat staan dat ze problemen met een goede visie van de toekomst van NL kunnen voorkomen). De strategie van de VVD is om altijd nuchter en redelijk te lijken, maar in realiteit hebben ze geen visie en zijn ze totaal afwachtend wat betreft de toekomst van NL. Ze zien wel wat er gebeurt en dan kijken ze pas wat voor beleid er moet komen. In deze tijd van veranderingen hebben we juist visie nodig. Mensen die van tevoren zien wanneer er iets fout zou kunnen gaan en hoe wij goed voorbereid en planmatig de toekomst tegemoet gaan. Dat heb je niet als je lekker "nuchter" achter de feiten aan loopt in dit soort turbulente tijden. Achter de feiten aanlopen kan ons land fatale schade toedoen. Als politici de BASALE competentie hadden om bijvoorbeeld te kijken naar hoeveel migranten NL aankan qua huisvesting e.d. ipv de grenzen open te gooien, hadden we geen huizencrisis gehad.
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  589. @Said Boudriz Dat is een heel mooi voorbeeld van hoe je de geschiedenis kan omdraaien om het vooral negatief te lijken. Over slavernij, dat is iets dat elke cultuur vroeger deed. Bij ons is de vroegst gedocumenteerde vorm van slavernij in de Oudheid, zowel in meer ingewikkelde samenlevingen als Rome en Griekenland als de Germaanse stammen in het noorden, waarbij Europeanen slaaf waren. Het tot slaaf maken van inwoners van Europa was uiteindelijk in de 14e eeuw verboden en vanaf toen was iedereen die een stap op Europese grond zette automatisch vrij man, blank of zwart. Bedrijven gingen echter door met slavernij buiten Europa en de Atlantische slavernij groeide uit tot één van de grootste slavenhandelnetwerken. Andere slavenhandelaars rond die tijd was Arabië, waar in totaal nog meer Afrikanen werden verhandeld dan in de Atlantische handel, de grootschalige Ottomaanse slavenhandel, de Barbarijse slavenhandel en natuurlijk de slavenhandel binnen Afrika zelf. Zo werden miljoenen mensen tot slaaf gemaakt. In Europa waren er naast grote belangen omtrent geld ook belangengroepen die vochten tegen de onmenselijke praktijk van slavernij. Vooral in Groot Brittannië en daarna ook andere Europese landen verkregen deze groepen de overhand en werd de slavernij afgeschaft. Maar de slavernij werd niet alleen afgeschaft, die landen, met het VK voorop, zetten zich ook actief in om de slavernij van andere landen te stoppen. Zo patrouilleerde het VK actief de Middellandse zee om Arabische slavenschepen te enteren en slaven te bevrijden. Een Engels-Nederlandse vloot speelde een centrale rol in het stoppen van de Barbarijse zeerovers die mensen tot slaaf maakten door Algiers te bombarderen en Frankrijk koloniseerde later delen van Noord Afrika waarmee ook de slavenhandel binnen Noord Afrika werd verboden en aan banden werd gelegd. Ook het Ottomaanse Rijk stond onder druk van Europese machten om slavernij af te schaffen en onder invloed van vooral Rusland ondernam het Ottomaanse Rijk stappen om slaven vrij te laten. Uiteindelijk was met de kolonisatie van Afrika ook de slavernij daar aan banden gelegd. In plaats van zo negatief te zijn over de Atlantische handel, kun je beter aanstippen wat de achterliggende humanistische gedachten uit de Verlichting zijn geweest voor anti-slavernij bewegingen en waarom Europa en niet de rest van de wereld slavernij afschafte en wereldwijd bestreed. Je kan er een inspirerend verhaal van maken dat iedereen bekend maakt met het denken van de Verlichting en waarom dat denken zo goed was/is. Dit denken kan ons ook inspireren net zo te handelen in de toekomst als anti-slavernij activisten dat toendertijd deden: opstaan voor waar je in gelooft. Maar nee, er wordt een nutteloos schaamverhaal van gemaakt. We kunnen trots zijn op Verlichtingsdenken en er inspiratie uit putten, of je kan je schamen en niets leren van het verleden.
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  593. +Shny Fan Poland, the Netherlands or Luxembourg is not even remotely comparable to knocking out France with 104 divisions committed to defending it. Of course blitzkrieg wasn't anything new in the Battle of France, but before that it was only practiced on relatively "weak" enemies. Saying that the UK/France should've seen the blitzkrieg coming is like saying Russia should expect the US to waltz right over them with ease because they could do that in the Iraq war against a vastly inferior enemy. If I'd tell you today that the US could defeat Russia as easily as it did Iraq in the 2000's, you'd laugh at me and with good reason. Now apply that to the 1940's and tell France that Germany will defeat them as easily as it did the Netherlands before and they will laugh at you even harder. It's very easy to say things like this after it happened. As for saying that a 2018 war would be exactly like WW2... of course not. Again, what happened in the 1940's was very special. The Germans defeated 3.3 million men (keep in mind that German tanks in 1940 were mostly inferior to their French and British counterparts. There are some amazing stories of some French and British tanks surviving literally dozens of shots from German anti-tank guns) in a matter of weeks, ONLY because the Allies were counting on another trench war. I don;t know about you, but I don't think the EU is expecting a trench war anytime soon... The disparity between strategic vision that there was in 1940 is simply not there today. It cannot be compared. In fact, what you're doing here is exactly what France and the UK did in 1940, but worse: you're expecting the war to go just like the last one, while it evidently won't be. You'd fit right in the French military command in 1940. At least they expected it to go like it did 20 years ago and not 70 years...
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  596. Deze documentaire is controle op de regering. Een regering die de geschiedenis zo profileert dat we ons er vooral voor moeten schamen. Het is belangrijk voor een land om haar geschiedenis te kennen. Positieve figuren uit onze geschiedenis kunnen inspiratie leveren hoe we naar de toekomst moeten kijken en negatieve elementen uit onze geschiedenis laten zien wat we niet moeten doen. Dit speelt een grotere rol in de cultuur en mentaliteit van een land dan je zou denken. Op dit moment leggen we te veel de nadruk op het negatieve, en het resultaat is een algemene mentaliteit van "weg met ons". We geven niet meer zo veel om onze cultuur en saamhorigheid in Nederland ligt onder druk. Het gaat om het nu, zonder enige inspiratie, zonder een duidelijk verbindend verhaal. We hebben juist gedeelde inspiratie en een gedeeld verbindend verhaal nodig om integratie in goede banen te leiden en de algehele samenleving hechter te maken. Ik vind de reactie hier nogal bizar. Dit is woord voor woord wat ik zou verwachten van een brugger op de middelbare school die zich klagend afvraagt waarom hij dit "stomme vak" geschiedenis heeft, want "het is toch allemaal al gebeurd, wat heb ik eraan". Kijk maar naar Duitsland wat er gebeurt als je een puur negatief beeld hebt van je verleden. Dat heeft grote impact op de mentaliteit van nu. Hoe kunnen ze niet begrijpen dat wat je uit het verleden oppikt, grote invloed heeft op de cultuur en mentaliteit van vandaag en daarmee dus ook hoe we de toekomst in gaan? We leven niet in een vacuüm, maar een continuüm van tijd.
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  608. Als een "D66 rechter" Nederland oplegt die mensen terug te halen dan is dat op basis van een juridische verplichting waar de politiek ZICHZELF aan heeft gebonden. De politiek bepaalt zelf aan welke wetten Nederland is gebonden. Al dat vluchtelingen gezeur komt van verdragen waar de POLITIEK ons aan heeft gebonden, dat stikstofgezeur komt van een verplichting vanuit de POLITIEK, Urgenda ook, etc. etc. ALS de rechter Nederland tot zoiets dwingt dan komt dat doordat in het verleden de politiek een of andere regel in het leven heeft geroepen dat bijvoorbeeld iedereen met een Nederlands paspoort in deze situatie moet worden opgehaald. Vrijwel alle problemen die wij vandaag hebben wordt veroorzaakt door de politiek die in het verleden een idealistische gutmensch regel heeft verzonnen zonder uitzonderingen. Bijvoorbeeld het feit dat sommige IS'ers niet de Nederlandse nationaliteit kan worden afgepakt is omdat de politiek in het verleden zich aan de regel heeft gebonden dat niemand stateloos mag zijn, ongeacht de omstandigheden. Dus iemand met alleen een NL paspoort kan die nooit kwijtraken, zelfs niet als die persoon voor een vijandige staat die ons haat vecht. De rechter voert alleen de wet uit en als je het niet eens bent met de wet moet je toch echt bij de politiek zijn. Onderdeel van de rechtsstaat is dat als de politiek zich ergens aan bindt, de regering zich daar dan ook aan moet houden. Dus moet de politiek voorzichtiger zijn met al die onzin waar ze zich aan binden en nadenken over de consequenties. Laatste voorbeeld is dat Marrakesh pact over migratie, de politiek denkt niet aan lange termijn consequenties alleen maar aan korte termijn diplomatisch appeasen en bij de internationale groep horen vanwege politieke redenen. Maar voor zover ik weet geldt er niet zo'n regel tav het terughalen van IS'ers dus we zijn veilig.
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  614. Extreem rechts is inderdaad gevaarlijk (racistisch niet in veel gevallen, dat geldt puur en alleen voor Nazi's, maar goed), maar de PVV en FvD zijn niet extreem rechts. De FvD is gewoon rechts-nationalistisch en de PVV is zelfs links-nationalistisch. Je moet nationalisme niet verwarren met extreem rechts/links zoals fascisme of zelfs nationaal socialisme. Dat zijn HELE extreme ideologieën waar de FvD en PVV niet eens dichtbij komen. Korte uitleg; Nationalisme is het idee dat een samenleving gebaseerd moet zijn op een gedeelde nationale identiteit om polarisatie en verdeeldheid te voorkomen (dus sterke cultuur die een volk verenigt). Hiervoor maakt het niet uit welke etniciteit je hebt (sterker nog, nationalisme is in het verleden heel vaak gebruikt om verschillende etniciteiten tot één samenleving/land te maken), het gaat om de gedeelde identiteit. Ook betekent het dat in de internationale politiek, de nationale belangen belangrijker zijn dan enige internationale belangen. Deze ideologie staat tegenover globalisme, dat een geïndividualiseerde samenleving wil waarin iedereen zijn eigen identiteit heeft (dus geen sterke gedeelde identiteit waar iedereen onder samenkomt, maar verschillende identiteiten die naast/met elkaar leven) en in de internationale politiek de internationale belangen boven de nationale belangen verdedigt. Deze categorie is waar FvD en PVV onder vallen. Fascisme wil een sociale revolutie waarin het kapitalisme wordt afgeschaft en een geplande economie in gang wordt gezet waar de productiemiddelen niet in het belang van individuen (zoals onder vrije markt kapitalisme), maar in het belang van de natie wordt gebruikt. De overheid vertegenwoordigt de natie en organiseert heel het land, tot in de details van de levens van de burgers, zoals het zou moeten zijn volgens een soort nationaal ideaal. Bovendien gaat het ervan uit dat democratie onzin is en het bestuur van landen alleen maar belemmert vanwege al die meningsverschillen. Dit is extreem nationalistisch, anti-kapitalistisch, anti-democratisch én anti-marxistisch. In principe kan elke etniciteit onder de natie vallen, dus deze ideologie is niet racistisch. Fascisme heeft economisch gezien extreem linkse trekken en cultureel gezien extreem rechts. Nationaal Socialisme is een bijzondere vorm van Fascisme waarbij ervan uit wordt gegaan dat natie en ras synoniemen zijn. Je land/natie is dus je ras. Nationaal Socialisme was net als Fascisme anti-kapitalistisch en wilde een sociale revolutie om ervoor te zorgen dat de productiemiddelen niet in het belang van individuen (kapitalisme), maar in het belang van het gehele ras worden gebruikt. Dus geen privaat eigendom, maar eigendom van het ras. Andere rassen mochten dus geen bedrijven hebben en mochten ook niet profiteren van de economie, omdat het doel van de economie was om de voorspoed een bepaald ras te bevorderen. Andere rassen die van de economie profiteerden werden dus gezien als parasitair op de toekomst van het eigen ras, en die werden met massamoord/massadeportatie verwijderd. En het werd nog erger omdat Nazi's ervan uit gingen dat elk land (=ras) zelfvoorzienend moest zijn (autarkie) en alles wat daarvoor nodig was middels oorlog van andere rassen moest pakken. Ze zagen de wereld als één groot toneel voor een soort rassengevecht om voorzieningen, en wie niet genoeg voorzieningen kon verzamelen om te overleven (dus genoeg grond voor landbouw om je ras te voeden, genoeg olie en dat soort grondstoffen om je industrie levend te houden, etc.) zou afsterven. Dit is waarom Duitsland Oost-Europa binnenviel en een plan had om alle landbouwgrond te gebruiken om Duitsers te voeden en alle Oost-Europeanen wilden vermoorden of naar Siberië deporteren (zie Generalplan Ost); Duitsland heeft niet genoeg landbouwgrond om de eigen populatie te voeden, dus moesten ze het middels oorlog stelen van een ander ras en dat andere ras verwijderen van die grond. Het Nazisme klinkt heel vreemd en dat was het ook. Dit is slechts de basis van waar ze in geloofden, het wordt nog veel gekker en ingewikkelder. Deze ideologie is natuurlijk zwaar racistisch, zwaar nationalistisch en economisch extreem links (volledig geplande economie). Nu een voorbeeld waarom het nergens op slaat om FvD en PVV te vergelijken met Fascisme (Nazisme lijkt me al duidelijk... dat is volkomen gestoord); Nederland in de Jaren 30 en ook daarvoor was nationalistisch. Vandaag de dag zouden we dat Nederland zelfs extreem nationalistisch noemen. Een concreet voorbeeld daarvan is hoe Nederland omging met familiewaarden. We hadden een nationalistisch ideaalbeeld van hoe een familie eruit zou moeten zien. Mijn overgrootmoeder woonde in Vreewijk, wat toen een nieuwe wijk was. De woningcorporatie zou eens per week haar huis komen controleren of ze alles wel schoon hield en volgens de maatschappelijke normen haar huishouden regelde. Dat zou vandaag als extreem worden gezien: de samenleving heeft mij niets te vertellen over hoe ik mijn eigen huishouden inricht. Toen kon dat, want het werd als goed gezien om volgens bepaalde maatschappelijke normen te leven. Een ander voorbeeld uit R'dam is dat de armere families uit achterstandswijken die niet volgens dat nationale ideaal leefden (niet goed schoonmaakten etc.) werden in een andere wijk gezet waar ze werden geleerd om "goed" huis te houden, volgens alle maatschappelijke regels. Dat zag de overheid trouwens als hulp. En als de "goede" burgers wisten dat je uit die wijk kwam dan werd je met de nek aangekeken omdat je "onzedelijk" was. Ook werd destijds als je voor het huwelijk een baby kreeg je baby afgepakt door de overheid en in een pleeggezin gezet omdat je dan als vrouw als "onzedelijk" werd gezien en dus als "slechte moeder" omdat je niet leefde volgens de maatschappelijke regels. Het kind werd "beschermd". Ok, Nederland (rest van de wereld ook) was vroeger dus extreem in hoe maatschappelijke regels je leven vormden. Maar het punt is.... Nederland was zelfs in die staat totaal niet Fascistisch. Anti-fascistisch zelfs. En om nu terug te komen op de FvD en PVV; het nationalisme van toen is EXTREEM vergeleken met hun nationalisme van nu. Dus zelfs als je de FvD en PVV nóg nationalistischer zou maken, zouden ze niet eens dicht bij het Fascisme komen, wat écht extreem was zelfs vergeleken met het Nederland van toen. De nationalistische ideeën van de FvD en PVV komen niet eens dicht bij het Nederland van honderd jaar geleden, dat actief tégen het Fascisme vocht omdat dat destijds vergeleken met Nederland nog extreem was. Het is dus volkomen onlogisch om de FvD/PVV Fascistisch te noemen; ze zijn slechts Nationalistisch. Gewoon normaal nationalistisch. Vanwege het grote verschil tussen globalisme (de dominante visie binnen de huidige politiek) en nationalisme (wat we eigenlijk al jaren niet meer hebben gehad, zeker niet meer sinds zo ongeveer de jaren 70-80), LIJKT het erop alsof FvD en PVV extreem rechts zijn, maar eigenlijk brengen zij het nationalisme terug (ook SP een beetje, trouwens). Ze staan rechtstreeks tegenover globalisme, maar dat betekent niet dat ze gelijk extremistisch zijn.
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  657. +Richard Marshall +Sean Rea I'm a law student so I'm happy to explain the difference. In and before the 1930's, there was a global belief that a democracy had to be neutral to all principles, including even fascism (whose entire purpose was to misuse democracy to abolish it and seize power). The belief was that a democracy that excluded a political belief from entering that democracy was no democracy at all, therefore it wasn't protected. This is what Hitler and Mussolini used to seize power. After WW2, this changed. You and we together built a liberal world order and a new belief gained ground that there were certain rights that belong to everyone (i.e. universal declaration of human rights, ICCPR, ICESCR, ECHR and more treaties like that). Certain rights that couldn't be taken away because they were so basic. Today, the idea is that democracy needs to be defended against anti-democratic entities. Yes, the majority rules in a democracy, but do others have the right to take away my democratic rights just because they outnumber me? No. And believe me, if this wasn't our belief during the Cold War, we'd be communist right now. Communist parties and influences were actively battled due to their totalitarian ideas. If they weren't, they'd have taken power in the same way Hitler did. A very good modern example of the so-called militant democracy is Turkey in 2003. First I'll explain that in Europe we have the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Everyone from the Netherlands to even Russia is part of it. And so are some semi-European states including Turkey and Azerbaijan. It's a treaty about basic human rights, like freedom of speech, ban on death penalty, ban on torture, etc. and has its own supranational court that can bind members of the treaty. Kind of a pan-European constitutional judge, if you will. Now, in 2003 Turkey had a huge party that was set to win the elections. They were projected to get a landslide victory of 67+ percent of votes. But then... the leader of this party said something. He wanted to have a sharia law state. Upon further inquiry they stood by this ideal. The government then made that party illegal. 4 million party members suddenly out of a job, the biggest party of Turkey at that moment just gone at an instant. And most importantly: it was a completely non-violent political party like any other. The party went to the European Court of European Rights, which stated that sharia law is incompatible with the principles of democracy and therefore, a complete ban on the political party was completely justified (of course heavily simplified, but that's the core). In the 1930's the Weimar Republic stood at the sidelines as a party that existed for the sole purpose to destroy democracy from within gained ground (and they were violent to boot, which makes condoning the party even worse). In present day Europe, a fascist, communist, islamic or otherwise undemocratic party is illegalised quickly. And if you continue to work for that party despite it being illegal you can be prosecuted. Mind you, I've just explained one of dozens of failsafes meant to protect democracy. Just one of many. Discussing how our democracy is protected against anti-democratic influences would take a book or two. It's solidly protected
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  663. That it's the best system doesn't mean we shouldn't improve it to address some of its issues. Capitalism has some serious issues as mentioned in the video and I'll add that modern capitalism also has the issue of mass produced crap goods being more profitable than actually quality and sustainable goods. Things are not made to last anymore and are specifically designed to make you buy more a few years on. And then there's typically capitalist things like the consumption culture, where we buy way too many things at an incredibly unsustainable rate. Capitalism is great in the early stages wherein it fuels competition to offer quality goods, but when capitalism gets too advanced the position of quality is abandoned and we move into the stage of the mass consumption. Especially with the ecological issues of today, this and other issues with capitalism that are addressed in the video are unacceptable. I think capitalism is the best system out there and changing systems is incredibly dangerous (be it clinging onto old systems that have failed in the past or new systems that we don't know of whether they work or will produce terrible tragedies like in the beginning of the 20th century), but capitalism does need to change. Looking from the perspective of the US, it's evident from all the quality of life indices that the social democratic system in Western Europe is simply superior on almost all fronts when it comes to managing wealth. And there's a more general problem with capitalism that exists in Europe too and that'd be that capitalism needs to become more aware of the environmental impact and sustainability issues. We need to use resources more responsibly and preferrably create circular economies. Capitalism needs to become a system that strives for a certain balance between our wealth/happiness and ecological health/sustainability. Then it's done. In Europe we might already be busy with the latter transition, perhaps we will change. But it's unknown how it'll pan out. The attitude of economic growth über alles is one of capitalisms most dire faults. We can't continue with the same kind of capitalism we had in the 1960s; it worked for us then but now the situation has changed. I am no economist, but if it was possible to create a version of capitalism in which we don't just aim for endless max growth but set a certain wealth goal for a population count and try to keep our economies stable around that point with a circular economy set-up, that'd be great (economic growth based on innovation is of course always good, but growth based on ever-expanding industry should have a limit). Then exchange the attitude of max profit for an attitude of max quality goods, while preserving our social democracy redistribution of wealth, and we're set.
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  673. Amerika heeft een rotgewoonte om zich te bemoeien met dingen waar ze zich buiten moeten houden en juist niet bemoeien met dingen waar ze zouden moeten helpen. Ik heb respect voor Trump's visie van America First, maar dan moet je dat ook echt uitvoeren en niet als een soort halfbakken wereldmacht optreden waar je soms wel en soms niet ingrijpt. ALS je ingrijpt, moet je het ook op een beschaafde manier afronden. En als je dat niet wil, moet je gewoon NIET ingrijpen. De manier waarop Amerika vertrok is gewoon zwaar kut en verraderlijk richting de Koerden die IS praktisch voor ons hebben verslagen. Als de Koerden er niet waren, moesten wij zelf boots on the ground hebben, moesten wij westerse levens opofferen om IS te verslaan. En dit is hoe we ze bedanken? Het is gewoon een oneervolle ruggensteek, iets wat niet bij onze cultuur past. Misschien wel bij de Amerikaanse. De EU is inderdaad zwak op dit moment, juist omdat wij zo veel op de VS steunden. Dat betekent dat wij onze eigen broek op zullen moeten houden en zelf ten minste een regionale grootmacht zullen moeten worden, zo niet een mondiale grootmacht. De economie en politieke macht hebben we al, alleen nog de militaire macht (meer investeren, meer samenwerken, EU leger hoeft niet maar zou kunnen gebeuren als het aan landen als Frankrijk ligt) en dan zijn we er. Als dit gebeurt, wat waarschijnlijk ook echt zal gebeuren want dit is waar ongeveer alle EU-landen op dit moment naar streven, dan is Amerika als dé grote supermacht dood. Amerika met steun van de EU is extreem machtig en kan potentieel heel de wereld aan, Amerika zonder steun van de EU is nog steeds heel machtig maar kan niet in z'n eentje op tegen Rusland en China, laat staan de belangen van de EU, Rusland en China. Dan is Amerika slechts één van vele supermachten in de wereld in plaats van de grote jongen die alles uitmaakt, dus Trump schiet zichzelf in de voet (hoewel... Trump wil niet de grote supermacht zijn en ziet liever een Amerika dat meer in zichzelf is gekeerd zoals voor WOII, dus eigenlijk schiet hij het establishment van de VS en hun globale belangen in de voet). Ikzelf ben hier enthousiast over, want onder voorgaande presidenten was Amerika heel kut in hun buitenland beleid en onder Trump is het beter maar hij doet soms nog wel dingen waar ik vraagtekens bij heb. Ik denk dat een wereld met goede balans tussen meerdere supermachten die elkaar in bedwang houden altijd beter is dan een wereld met één grote supermacht die maar doet wat het wil. En het zou goed zijn als wij zelf weer een prominente rol op het wereldtoneel zouden hebben. Wordt weer eens tijd na 70+ jaar....
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  688.  @StephenButlerOne  That's all well and good when we're talking about opinions, but TIK has made some real errors. For example, his definition of socialism is completely wrong and essentially comes down to "big government/collectivism", which in turn causes him to group fascism and marxist socialism as one and the same thing. But a closer inspection of those ideologies, as well as their history, would unearth some significant differences that explain why despite their similarities on the surface they still heavily opposed one another. For example, the proletariat (abolishing class) versus class collaboration (solidifying class, but having all classes work together in the interest of the nation/race), egalitarianism versus solidification of hierarchies, collectivising around the working class versus around the nation. TIK misses all of this and wrongly categorises these different ideologies as belonging to the same family. In truth, it's much more accurate to see Fascism (incl. NS), Socialism and Capitalism as three separate ideologies that all oppose one another. That's also in line with what Fascists said about themselves; they called themselves the third option besides capitalism and communism. This is a huge error that has a large impact on all his political/economic videos. All because he gets one definition wrong. Mostly he is still correct, however, so it's not like the entire videos are wrong. It's just that he uses the wrong terms for many things. All because of just one mistake that seeps into the rest of his videos. Fascism and Socialism are both collectivist ideologies with heavy government involvement in the economy, but similarities end there. I hope TIK revises this.
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  696.  @hamcatjones8028  Yet the British Isles are now called British after what the invading ROMANS called them. Romans brought civilisation with them that ended up destroying the traditional way of life of local tribes and replaced it with the civilisation of today. The English language has huge influences by both Latin and Scandinavian languages due to invasions. And it could get worse: when Christianity came, they mass murdered pagan European (i.e. the REAL original European culture and traditions), forced everybody to convert and banned the practice of European traditions on the punishment of DEATH (most known example of this is the burning of "witches"). They destroyed European holy temples and in many cases built churches in their place. They cut down sacred trees. They desrtoyed one of the wonders of the world at the time, a massive ivory statue of Zeus, and destroyed many many pieces of art (you can still see old statues in musea where nipples and genitals are carved off and in some cases a christian cross carved into the statue. The nose was also often carved off). Books were burned en masse, schools of philosophy were closed. They launched invasions/crusades into pagan lands purely to convert the population. They tried to kill as many European traditions as they could, and where they failed to destroy traditions they erased their meaning by giving them a Christian theme (i.e. Yule/Christmas, Easter, actually almost all our traditions except minor exceptions like Valentine's Day are of pagan pre-Christian origin). A lot of pagan symbols and practices are now also associated with satanism because of slander campaigns by the church. The pentagram for example signifies harmony between man and nature within paganism, but nowadays it is mostly known for devil worshipping. Wise women/seeresses/sorceresses, who had an important role in paganism to preserve and transfer traditions to the next generation, are now known as evil witches (you can also hazard a guess as to why they in particular were targeted for burnings). This is called cultural genocide and all of Europe suffered under this. This is like what Canada did to their natives: forcing western education on them, which killed their culture. But worse, much worse. It's called cultural genocide and it actually falls under the definition of genocide in international law. So believe it or not, but Europe has had it W O R S E than the Maori people, who did not experience cultural genocide. We are only fine because we moved on. We don't wallow in pity about how we lost our traditional way of life, instead we embraced civilisation. We even embraced our new Christian identity after the horrible way it entered our continent... In short, we don't get stuck in the past despite the horrors we experienced and that is why we are fine today. I wish many things throughout history didn't happen, whether it be done to us or by us to others, but it's counterproductive to get stuck in some kind of victim complex. It doesn't suit your future to be stuck in a victim complex. You're ignorant of how much suffering just about every culture endured throughout history. History was not a kind place, it was ugly by today's standards. We slowly improved our morals throughout time to finally end up where we are today.
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  711. The popularity of Wilders has nothing to do with jobs. In fact, it would be more accurate to say it's about Muslims NOT having jobs and instead relying on welfare. But above all, it's about integration of Muslims. A fairly large group within the Muslims population (I'd say about 20%) completely segregates themselves, believe in the exact opposite of our Dutch values. Many of them hate gays and according to government inquiries, about one third of gays are too afraid to walk hand in hand in cities with a high Muslim population, which used to be very different. Women also are hit by it. In Amsterdam, in certain areas women are sexually harrassed a lot, luckily only with words, to the point of the government having to take measures to fight this. The self-segregation is also an issue. The government specifically tries to integrate everyone into Dutch society so they can be part of us. This has worked with every ethnicity, religion and nationality... except Muslims, who for a large part choose to distance themselves from our society. A week ago, there was even a Muslim lady on TV who completely integrated into Dutch society (if only everyone was like her we would have zero issues) and she said other Muslims told her she was "too Dutchified". A recent event that portrays this self-segregation is the Turkey coup and the response to that in the Netherlands. I was just sitting in Rotterdam with some friends and suddenly dozens of Turks walk all over the street with huge Turkish flags, yelling "Turkiye, Turkiye" and some in cars with flags hanging out and honking the horn. This is what prompted the "act normal or leave" thing from our prime minister (btw, "act normal" sounds strange in English but it's a normal expression in Dutch). The aftermath was even worse. Gülen supporters in the Netherlands were attacked by Erdogan supporters, just like in Turkey... Those people aren't Dutch, they're Turks living in the Netherlands and we hate that... The Turkish influence on Turks here is also the reason for not allowing the Turkish ministers into the Netherlands a week ago (and no, CNN, "islamophobia" and "acting tough" is not Rutte's reason for this, as you reported... I'm almost starting to believe Trump has a point in his hate for CNN), it is obviously unwanted to import pro vs anti-Erdogan feuds into the Netherlands, with possible violence like there was against Gülen supporters in the past. Anyway, long story short, the reasons for Wilders' popularity are the deplorable "values" of a part of the Muslims that are the opposite of our own values of tolerance and their refusal to be part of our society or perhaps I could even say their downright shunning of our society while we try and try to help them integrate. If you come here you choose to become part of our society. If you walk in the streets yelling "Turkiye" at the top of your lungs with a large Turkish flag in your hands... why are you here and not in Turkey? That's what Rutte meant with act normal or leave and almost all Dutch people agree with that. Wilders has a point and that's a fact, which is why all parties acknowledge these problems too. The difference is that other parties want to intensify the integration policy (each in a different way) and Wilders actually want to get some of them to leave and prevent any more from coming. And Wilders is not just the Dutch Trump, Trump is the American Wilders. He's been in politics since 2006 and before him, there was an even more popular guy named Fortuyn, who said the same about Islam in the 90's. He got murdered by a leftist guy in 2002, though. Integration and Muslims' failure to do so has been an important topic in our country for 20+ years and populists have been big in politics since the very beginning of that. That said, the popularity of Wilders is somewhat exaggerated. 20 seats in parliament is 13% of the votes. So 13% voted for a right win populist and 70% voted for a traditional right, left or middle party. Most votes actually go towards the middle (CDA and D66, both with 19 seats at 3rd and 4th place), mine included. The thing about Dutch politics is that we have a huge number of parties, each with their own views on running the country. No one party will ever win, it's always several parties that have to work together and make a compromise. This time around, there will have to be at least 4 parties working together in government to get that majority (most likely VVD (Rutte), CDA, D66 and one more)
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  715.  @Innoruuk  Well of course we have to take heed to how to store it. It's why we built a specially designed bunker for it and Finland also took the necessary precautions to prevent spreading of nuclear waste outside of the mines they stored it in. Germany was careless, apparently. About Fukushima, those figures are false, very false. https://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/a_e/fukushima/faqs-fukushima/en/ The only health consequences of Fukushima are zero deaths, a handful of increased chances of cancer (for a couple of workers) and the most serious consequences are that the forced evacuation of thousands of people caused mental health issues (entirely unrelated to any nuclear problems). The latter consequence is quite serious, I do agree. And that is the major flaw of nuclear power. IF anything should go wrong, which it close to never does but can nonetheless, it's a disaster. It may be safe enough to not even cause deaths in a serious instance like Fukushima, but the fact that a large area has to be evacuated is disastrous in itself. Prevention is of grand importance. Newer nuclear technologies make it even safer and can prevent nuclear radiation altogether. From what I've gathered, Thorium plants for example (soon-to-be perfected tech) are safe even when breaking down. They can't have a melt-down in the case of a disaster because they don't have to be cooled all the time. I agree with you that the current nuclear technology is risky, no matter how safe it is (as you say, mistakes will be made even if it's one in a hundred years that's disastrous). But technology that is within reach can make nuclear 100% safe in the face of breakdowns AND Thorium also reduces the waste. I think the future is in such advanced nuclear plants.
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  717.  @hihoi6085  2 Timotheüs 3:16: “Heel de Schrift is door God ingegeven en is nuttig om daarmee te onderwijzen, te weerleggen, te verbeteren en op te voeden in de rechtvaardigheid.” 2 Petrus 1:19-21: "En wij hebben het profetische Woord, dat zeer vast is, en gij doet wel dat gij daarop acht hebt, als op een licht schijnende in een duistere plaats, totdat de dag aanlichte en de Morgenster opga in uw harten; dit eerst wetende, dat geen profetie der Schrift is van eigen uitlegging; want de profetie is voortijds niet voortgebracht door den wil eens mensen, maar de heilige mensen Gods, van den Heiligen Geest gedreven zijnde, hebben ze gesproken." Hebreeën 4 : 12: “Want het Woord Gods is levend en krachtig, en scherpsnijdender dan enig tweesnijdend zwaard…” Ef. 6:17: “En neemt de helm der zaligheid, en het zwaard des Geestes, hetwelk is Gods Woord.” De bijbel noemt zichzelf het woord van god, geöpenbaard door de discipelen die niet door eigen wil, maar de heilige geest/god dóór hen de bijbel schreef. Dus wel degelijk claimt de bijbel het woord van god te zijn. En "topwetenschappers" mogen zeggen wat ze willen, maar ik geloof alleen iets wat ze zeggen als het onderbouwd is. De meeste wetenschappers uit het verleden waren christelijk en velen zijn dat vandaag de dag ook, maar dat betekent niet dat het christendom de ware religie is. Alleen bewijs zou dat kunnen aantonen, hetgeen dit zeker niet is. Je maakt hier een foutief beroep op autoriteit, een drogredenering.
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  726.  @glennsmith1676  The British Empire outproduced Germany, the US and USSR massively outproduced Germany. It is exaggerated to say that "nearly every" bullet came from the US. The US supplied certain much-needed things like rubber for truck wheels, but in terms of for example tanks the USSR outproduced the US, in terms of several things like mortars and armoured cars the British Empire outproduced the US. And the British Empire also supplied the USSR with vital supplies they didn't have. The British Empire was dependent on outside supplies for sure because they were continuously bombed. The USSR was partly dependent on supplies because they didn't have certain resources that Britain and the US could supply them. The US was probably the only fully self-sufficient ally, even though some of the things they could produce locally were of lower quality than elsewhere (like European steel vs US steel), but if they needed to they could produce everything themselves. It is important to note that every ally, the USSR and US on top and the British Empire a bit behind them, produced A LOT and the difference is not huge. Especially not between the US and USSR. So it wasn't like one industry was supplying everyone, but I would definitely call the US industry the best of the three and the one that aided the others the most. Mainly because the other two got bombed continuously and the US industry was safe behind two oceans. But yeah, let's also not forget that the UK actually traded something for access to the US industry: technology. With the Tizard mission, the UK gave the US highly valuable tech like the theory of creating a nuclear bomb, jet engine tech (literally only Germany and the UK had this tech at the time, both the US and USSR got it from the UK), radar (US did not have this at the time, which would put them at a huge disadvantage towards the Germans and radar in naval ships was also one of the main factors why the US Navy curbstomped the Japanese, so this is pretty big) and many more highly sensitive tech. The UK paid dearly for their supplies (literally bankrupted themselves) and also gave away they hugely valuable technological secrets to the US in exchange for their supplies. And I don't know what the US fighting chance would have been without some of that tech. And the UK and Germany were the two leading countries in tech at that time.
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  739. ​ @peter-jantentijeookwelgeno7042  Waarom kwamen er ook alweer miljoenen migranten naar de EU? Oh ja, omdat de VS een burgeroorlog aanwakkerde in Syrië. Die stroom heeft de EU gelukkig kunnen dichten met de Turkije deal (niks met onze "beschermer" te maken). Maar waarom komen er nu nog migranten uit Afrika dan? Oh ja, omdat de VS het briljante idee had om Libië helemaal kapot te bombarderen en de NAVO daarin leidde... Zoals Donald Tusk zei: "with friends like this, who needs enemies?". Onze grote "vriend" de VS heeft de EU meer schade toegebracht dan welk land dan ook. Rusland niet, China niet, niemand. De VS is de reden dat ISIS bestaat, de VS kost ons miljarden euro's in handel door de Iran deal kapot te maken (VS zelf had natuurlijk niet veel handel met Iran, dus wat boeit het ze?), de VS probeert continu de relatie tussen Rusland en de EU te frustreren, de VS bespioneert zijn bondgenoten, etc. etc. etc. De VS zouden we moeten zien als onze grootste vijand. De enige momenten dat ze iets goeds doen is wanneer onze interesses toevallig hetzelfde zijn, maar als Amerika iets wil wat de bondgenoten hard raakt doen ze het gewoon. Welk land wakkert een burgeroorlog aan in een land dat een grens heeft met zijn grootste bondgenoot? Wat Amerika in Syrië heeft gedaan is vergelijkbaar met een situatie waarin de EU een burgeroorlog aanwakkert in een midden-Amerikaans land en dan verbaasd opkijkt wanneer alle migranten naar de VS spoelen. Hoe de VS ons als "bondgenoten" behandelt is ronduit schandalig. Moeten we zo snel mogelijk vanaf.
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  772.  @shmeet  Ok, to make it more specific; we live in a democratic rule of law. This means democracy within the limit of the law. Democracy exists for representation and self-determination purposes, the law exists to protect everyone's rights against being infringed upon. In a democratic rule of law, genocide is absolutely illegal, even if the democratic majority wants it. The law is the outer limit of what is acceptable, within that limit democracy is absolutely free. So democratic ideas that involve policy that unacceptably hurts others in their human rights are not allowed. Freedom of speech exists to ensure the plurality of ideas that democracy needs in order to function. If there are ideas that are not allowed in a democratic rule of law to begin with, there is no point in protecting them. If you live in a country with absolute freedom of speech (I think pretty much only the US) you're essentially saying to people with those ideas; you may express your ideas and enter into the democratic discussion... until your ideas get enough support to actually become policy, in which case we'll stop you. This is a bit hypocritical; either you accept ideas within your democratic discourse or you don't. And allowing a destructive ideology to spread into popularity first and only THEN opposing it is just not logical; you have to oppose it from the beginning to prevent social unrest. You can't first allow an idea to become massively popular and THEN tell the populace they can't get what they want; it's asking for trouble. That's why hate speech and anti-democratic political views are illegal in most of the western world. We used to believe that only a democracy that allows literally all views into the discussion is a true democracy. Then the 30's happened and Nazis managed to use democracy to abolish democracy. Today a true democracy is viewed as a democracy that not only allows ideas to partake in the discussion, but also to protect democracy against views that seek to destroy it. This concept is called the militant democracy and is the current norm. America is basically stuck in the 1930's in terms of their approach to freedom of speech and democracy. That makes the US system vulnerable to foul ideologies abusing democracy just to abolish it and impose their dictatorial system. Some people on the left see fascism as a real threat nowadays and are afraid they will abuse the US system like this, so they take matters into their own hands and use violence to oppose their views. Whether you agree with that last part is up to you (I personally don't and think making hate speech illegal is the only correct solution) but that is why they do what they do. And considering the flaws of the American system and its refusal to learn from the past, perhaps it's understandable that they're worried.
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  778. You're missing a lot here. The corporation gets its fair share for what it offers society, but how that corporation distributes this profit internally is not necessarily fair at all. If you're self-employed, what you earn is exactly what your fair share is. If you're employed with a corporation, your boss decides what your share is and how much of the profit goes directly into his own and/or shareholders' pockets. And most of the time an extreme amount of money is taken away from the corporation and placed in only a few private pockets, leaving workers in the dust. Workers, insofar their employed, do not get paid for what they contribute to society. Money always seems to concentrate at the top. Not because it's fair, but because that is what naturally happens in any competitive system; in the end the top amasses all of the resources unless there's a counterbalance. It's perfectly natural that the rich have the resources to become even richer, and this process repeats itself until the vast majority of wealth is located at the top. For example, being able to buy a few apartments to rent out is essentially free money if you can temporarily miss the first investment and wait for it to pay back. That money can in turn be used to start various businesses, the money from that can be used to invest elsewhere or expand, etc. etc. Simply having resources means you will naturally allocate a lot more in the long run, because there are so many opportunities open for you to make more money. In the end, this means the rich get ever richer and those without resources stay behind. The natural end game is that most wealth is right there at the top. But do we want this? It's difficult to say what exactly is "fair", as there are many actors within a corporation that all deserve a share, from the workers up to the managers up to CEOs and shareholders. How do we measure the "value" of their contribution? Is having money and lending it to someone else a lazy contribution because it requires no effort, or is it a huge contribution because without it the corporation'd be nowhere? Is working a 40 hour week to produce goods an unimportant contribution because workers are interchangeable and provide unskilled labour, or is it a large contribution because they spend the most labour-intensive contribution to the corporation and produce the goods that lay at the centre of what that corporation does? There is no such thing as deciding exactly what is everybody's "fair share". The only certainty is that the corporation at large gets exactly the amount of money that consumers want to exchange with it, and therefore gets its fair share from what it contributed to society. How that share is divided within the corporation should at least be generally proportional. If 75% goes to a few higher ups and, 10% is spent on costs and 15% is left for employees, I don't think that's fair. Yet that is the current reality. I don't see how anybody's fair share can be 50 billion dollars or something crazy like that.
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  796. +Devil Hex The EU Navy hugely outnumbers the US Navy in combined destroyers, frigates, corvettes and other warships, as well as outnumbers the amount of American attack submarines by a few. The aircraft carriers of the US would never arrive at Europe's shores and would be billion dollar scrap metal on the ocean floor if they even try to come here. The EU has 161 total destroyers/frigates/corvettes/cruisers and the US has only 96 destroyers/frigates/corvettes/cruisers in total. The EU has 55 attack submarines and the US 53. All the aerial superiority you have is irrelevant because you can never get your carriers past the EU defensive navy. Even if your ENTIRE navy ships out, it will be outnumbered almost 2 to 1. And in terms of attack submarines you have no edge either. So you can list all the jets you have, but what matters is how many can you get here? The answer is very few, if any at all. Carriers need to be protected by their strike group and against this number of EU ships you simply can't. ANd this is not even taking into account that the defender always has the tactical edge in any war. Generally speaking, the US has a huge aerial advantage, the EU a huge naval advantage (when used defensively, that is, which is what it was built for) and in terms of land forces both are roughly equal with a slight edge to the US in amount of tanks etc. and a slight edge to the EU in terms of manpower. To invade the EU, the US would need a navy capable of getting there. To invade the US, the EU would need more aircraft carriers and more aircraft in general to attempt a landing. Neither of the two is capable of invading the other, any attempt would be doomed to fail.
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  802. The Democratic party is being cleansed by Bernie. All the "moderates" are globalist shills who serve corporate interests instead of the people. It's why Trump will destroy any establishment crony they push up for election. Trump is also there for the people, he is a nationalist who cares first and foremost for America, not globalist interests. That is why Trump won against Hillary and that is why Trump would easily win against any other Democratic nominee except for Bernie. Trump himself has already said he fears only one Democrat and that is Bernie. He has good reason to say that and I'll tell you why. Just like Trump, Bernie doesn't serve corporate interests but stands for his personal bona fide views on how best to serve the American people. With Bernie, Trump can't lean on anti-establishment rhetoric anymore (the American people are truly fed up with the establishment), because both presidential candidates will be anti-establishment. Trump will have to convince the voters that his views on what is best for America are better than Bernie's views on what's best for America. It will be a battle between two honest presidents, who are not there funded by massive corporations to spew what best serves the establishment and 1%. Two presidential candidates who both put forth their ideas on how best to organise America... for the citizens. Unprecented. Who will win? Bernie's social democracy or Trump's more conservative views on economy and more? In any case, with Bernie as the Dem candidate Trump is sure to be pulled into an actually difficult discussion on the future of America. It's easy to expose globalist/corporate shill #34 for the empty vessel he or she is. Americans are sick of so-called establishment "moderates". That is why Bernie Sanders is the only true opposition to Donald Trump... and Trump understands it. That he's already recognised this shows he understands what the people want, I'm actually impressed. Bernie also knows what the people want, knows how sick they are of the establishment, how much they've suffered under certain aspects of the US system. I have a feeling this will be a deeply interesting clash. And by the way, what you are calling "far left" is just what we have been in Western Europe for decades. It's capitalism with social policies, no big deal and far from "far left". Though by current US political standards I guess anything left of far right economic views can be called "far left" already. Just as an illustration, "far right" populist parties in Europe are still considerably to the left of "moderate" Democrats when it comes to healthcare and such. Liberalism is firmly to the right over here. It's all relative. Talking about left-right is outdated, it's better to look at what the candidates actually want in terms of policy and whether that'd be something you support or not. Labels are just labels.
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  812.  @barta9342  Je haalt een aantal dingen door elkaar. De VN is na WOII antikoloniaal geworden vanwege het feit dat koloniale landen zwaar in de minderheid waren én beide supermachten (Amerika en Sovjet Unie) antikoloniaal waren (maar wel zelf imperialistisch buitenlandbeleid voerden dus hypocriet). Strikt genomen was het VK in die tijd nog een grote macht, maar zij waren door WOII verzwakt, net als andere Europese landen. In ons geval was het met name Amerika die de invloed gebruikte om kolonialisme tot een eind te brengen. Zo heeft Amerika succesvol de positie van Europa verzwakt en zichzelf verheven tot leider van het westen. Dit kwam zeker niet van een goede plek, aangezien zowel de VS als de Sovjet Unie zelf imperialistische oorlogen voerden om hun ideologie te verspreiden. Wat dus ook gewoon neerkomt op een vorm van kolonialisme, zij het met minder directe controle over andere landen. West-Europa was tot WOII het absolute centrum van de wereldwijde macht. Amerika en de SU wilde dat veranderen. Daarom hebben zij in een tijd dat Europa al redelijk zwak was vanwege WOII de genadeslag toegediend door ook ervoor te zorgen dat wij onze koloniën zouden verliezen. Dit zorgde ervoor dat Europa langere tijd zwakker was en eigenlijk zien wij pas sinds ongeveer de eeuwwisseling dat wij ons weer als grote macht hebben opgesteld, in de vorm van de EU. Dit heeft niks met socialisme te maken (wel in het geval van de SU natuurlijk), maar alles met politiek opportunisme om de macht van Europa in de kiem te smoren.
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  817. @The Wave Dat jij dit een onsamenhangend verhaal vindt zegt meer over jou dan mij. Jij begrijpt niet het simpele verschil tussen objectief kijken naar wat er in de geschiedenis is gebeurd en het subjectief kijken naar of dat wel of niet goed was. Als ik zeg dat wij vroeger massaal Duitsers uitzetten vanwege de oorlog, dan betekent dat niet dat ik dat goed vind. Dat betekent dat ik zeg dat dat is GEBEURD. Ik zal je tegemoetkomen door dan nu wél mijn mening te geven hierover. Ik vind dat wij de Duitsers die wij toen hebben uitgezet groot onrecht hebben aangedaan, althans voor zover zij niets met de nationaal socialisten te maken hadden. Het is niet juist om iedereen binnen een bepaalde groep de schuld te geven van iets wat slechts een deel van die groep doet/deed, zelfs wanneer dat laatste deel van de groep zeer aanzienlijk is. Het is zeer belangrijk om elkaar niet als lid van een groep, maar als individu te zien. Niet aansprakelijk voor de handelingen van de groep, maar puur aansprakelijk voor eigen handelen. Als ik zeg dat ik uitzetting een redelijk iets vind, dan bedoel ik dat in de context van landverraders zoals NSB'ers of IS'ers. Met de vergelijking tussen hoe wij vroeger met onze vijanden om gingen en hoe wij dat nu doen, bedoelde ik te laten zien hoezeer wij zijn veranderd in dat opzicht. Vroeger waren wij wat mij betreft veel te streng als ik het voorbeeld van de uitzetting van Duitsers noem. Maar nu zijn we juist heel soft, tot op het punt waar wij kennelijk het afreizen van duizenden kilometers om specifiek zich aan te sluiten bij onze grootste vijand omdat je je kan vinden in hun ideologie goedpraten en medelijden hebben met die mensen. Ik wil naar het midden; hard waar dat nodig is, maar zacht naar degenen die dat verdienen. Die harde kant missen wij nu. Vroeger misten wij de zachte kant. Laten we dat in de toekomst beter doen, zeg ik. IS'ers verdienen geen medelijden, zij hebben hun keuze gemaakt.
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  843. Jezus zeg, hou toch op over de "boreale" speech. Dit wordt zo vreselijk overdreven... Het feit dat Otten denkt dat Pepe the frog een "alt-right symbool" is spreekt boekdelen; dat is gewoon een meme van het internet die op veel verschillende manieren wordt gebruikt. Wat een hysterie.... Dat hij de speech niet goed vond voor de partij, prima. Hij wilde een iets rechtsere VVD, prima. Hij wilde een partij die zich profileert als een soort middenpartij, prima. Maar doe niet alsof die speech een soort alt-right neo-nazi ding was, dat vind ik echt zo laag.... Deal with it, de FvD heeft ervoor gekozen om voor een breder cultureel verhaal te staan ipv VVD 2.0 te worden. Baudet heeft gekozen voor een route met meer visie. Geen typische bestuurderspartij zonder visie zoals de VVD, maar een echte politieke beweging. Dat je het daar niet mee eens bent vind ik echt prima, maar doe dan niet zo triest door achter hun rug om kwaad over de FvD te spreken. Er is totaal niets mis met die speech, als je weet waar Baudet het over heeft. Het probleem is dat je enig historisch en cultureel inzicht moet hebben om te begrijpen wat hij bedoelt, en veel mensen hebben dat niet. Veel mensen weten niet dat er een politieke en culturele omwenteling is geweest waarin wij van prachtige romantische muziekstukken naar de atonale moderne muziek van vandaag gingen (in dit opzicht heb ik het over de klassieke muziek), waarin wij van prachtige klassieke architectuur naar de utilitaristische betongebouwen van de jaren 70 gingen om uiteindelijk te eindigen bij de kille mondiale architectuur van vandaag waarmee je niet eens weet of je in A'dam of in Berlijn rondloopt, waarin wij van prachtige schilderijen en beeldhouwwerken naar "kunst" als een banaan die met ducttape op een muur is geplakt of een onopgemaakt bed of andere nietsbetekenende nonsens gingen. De schoonheid verdwijnt uit onze cultuur. En in politieke zin gingen wij van een politiek die het nationale belang verdedigde en het tot haar taak zag het Nederlandse volk te vertegenwoordigen naar een politiek die steeds meer met internationale belangen bezig is, minder geeft om ideële vertegenwoordiging en zich steeds meer ziet als bestuurder van NL ipv politiek/ideëel leider van NL. Rutte is hier een schoolvoorbeeld van; hij heeft geen visie voor de toekomst, dat geeft hij zelf ook toe. Hij zit er slechts omdat hij Nederland wil besturen. Ipv een duidelijke visie voor de toekomst, kijkt hij bij de dag naar wat politiek het handigst is en wat er vandaag weer moet gebeuren qua bestuur. Hij loopt achter de feiten aan. Dit alles ondermijnt onze cultuur en onze democratie. Gewild of ongewild, maakt niet uit. Het ondermijnt onze toekomst, een toekomst die wij zelf (mede) vorm zouden moeten geven in plaats van af te wachten wat er over ons heen komt en bij de dag te leven. Wij hebben visie nodig.
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  891. TIK, your definition of socialism is deeply flawed. There is authoritarian socialism, which you seem to focus on in the video, but also libertarian socialism. You even mentioned Bakunin's (a libertarian socialist) criticism on totalitarianism, call him a socialist (true) and then turn around and say that socialism = totalitarianism. You do this at 5:07. This is an internal inconsistency in your argument that requires your attention. You can't both acknowledge Bakunin's heavy criticism of the state and at the same time say that his ideology is for totalitarianism. He was a socialist and anarchist. Authoritarian socialism = totalitarianism. Libertarian socialism is entirely different and highly critical of big governments (or even critical of the government existing at all, if you look at leftist anarchism). This is not only an issue in this video (though this example is probably the most blatant internal inconsistency in your view of socialism), but across the board I notice that libertarian socialism is a blindspot of yours. Please look into this issue and adjust your definition of socialism accordingly. As it is now, it ignores the existence of libertarian socialism, which is a problem. I think you should think about how libertarian socialism and leftist anarchism fits into your views of public vs private and capitalism. There's a gap in your logic here. You claim that democratic socialists believed the "lie" of Marx (which is fair enough to say about authoritarian socialism and its use of gradual change to eventually usher in a revolution), but this is completely false for libertarian socialism. You know very well that libertarian socialist and leftist anarchist factions have historically fought authoritarian socialists and are against the state as much as capitalists are (hell, in many cases even more against the state than capitalists generally are).
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  894. I'm not British, I'm Dutch. But it makes sense for me to mention soft power's importance because it's the EU's main focus. Anyway, soft power is hugely important and shouldn't be forgotten. Especially in everyday situations, soft power is a lot more useful. This is no longer a world of empires that use hard power to expand their influence, this is the world of using soft power to get others to do what you want them to and to get others to follow your agenda. Let's look at the Iran deal, for example. Why is it that when talks came to a conclusion, the big news was announced in a joint press conference by the EU's foreign minister and Iran's foreign minister despite the US and other major powers being part of the talks? Why is it that this year, it was the EU's foreign minister and Iran's foreign minister that were nominated for a nobel prize for their role in the Iran deal and not anyone from the US? Because the EU shaped that deal. The EU got iran, Russia, China and the US to agree on that deal. The EU acted as a mediator between the world and Iran. Even the US was influenced into doing what the EU wanted them to do in that deal, even though Iran is just about their arch enemy. That is real power, not having a bunch of tanks that you can't realistically use against anything other than some 3rd world country. Even Syria's soft power could counter America's attempts at regime change by bringing in Russia. America's hard power has been made useless by Syria's soft power. As soon as Russia was present in Syria, the US using hard power against Syria was already no option anymore.
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  905. Problemen, geld en werk. Stop met alles zo absoluut te bekijken. Je kan niet zomaar het levenswerk van deze boeren afbreken, je kan niet zomaar 90 miljard aan export halveren en ja, je kan ook niet zomaar toestaan dat de natuur wordt beschadigd. Dat is het grote dilemma. Er moet een oplossing komen maar die oplossing kan niet zijn om na tientallen jaren van medewerking van boeren (sinds 1990 hebben de boeren al grote investeringen gedaan om maar liefst 62% minder ammoniak uit te stoten) zonder met ze aan tafel te zitten de boeren te vertellen dat ze geen toekomst meer hebben. Als boeren een goede prijs krijgen voor een kleinere en het liefst ook biologische veestapel zullen ze vast met blijdschap erin mee gaan, maar de realiteit is dat je niet de veestapel kan halveren zonder dat vele boeren ten onder gaan. De laatste paar decennia moesten boeren juist uitbreiden om te overleven, wat velen niet hebben gehaald, vooral kleine familiebedrijven. Na al die investeringen vraag je ze nu alles weer weg te gooien. Door economische ontwikkelingen is een grote veestapel en uitbreiding nu de norm, anders overleef je gewoon niet. Uitbreiding doen boeren niet voor de lol, maar omdat dat is wat de economie nu van hun vergt, willen ze hun werk kunnen blijven doen. We moeten een manier vinden om kleine biologische boerderijen de norm te maken op een manier waarbij zowel boeren als natuur tegemoet worden gekomen. Zowel de boeren als de natuur zijn hier slachtoffer van de economie. Je kan het echt niet maken dat je alles wat die boeren hebben opgebouwd gewoonweg afpakt en we kunnen het ook niet maken dat we de natuur laten verpieteren om geld. Die grote bedrijven met megastallen en vleeskuikens boeien me allemaal niets en zie ik graag verdwijnen, maar niet de familiebedrijven.
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  906. @North rock 99 Selling arms to your allies to the point of literally bankrupting them = saving them. Alrighty then. No, that is a simple business transaction, not aid or help or saving. And besides that, I was talking about the actual military contribution to the war in Europe, not bought supplies. By that logic France was 100% saved by Britain in WW1 (even more so than the US "saved" Europe in WW2 because besides the supplies the British also had a huge part in the fighting) because in that war it was the British industry that mainly supplied the war effort. No, they were both extremely important in fighting WW1. It was not one saving the other, they were allies fighting a war, each contributing a very significant amount of manpower and supplies. You need to stop with this absolute "X saved Y" mindset. That is not how war works. And by the way, the British Empire alone had 15 million men in service. Oops, not as much of a difference as you thought.... ;) And to remind you, you started with 300.000 men in 1939 (of which 2/3rds in the National Guard). You took years to build that up to almost 100 divisions in 1944 to help liberate France. France had 94 divisions in 1940. The US military started out tiny and took several years of the war to build up. That is why for most of the war you were either absent or a minor nation supporting other nations that had huge militaries from the start of the war. And finally you came in full force in 1944 with D-day, as planned, when you made up about 40+% of the western allied force. Remember that the US wasn't a superpower back then, the main powers were colonial European nations like the British Empire and the French Empire, who could field millions of men right at the start of the conflict. WW2 is the story of how the US rose to that position of superpower, which it achieved by the end and certainly not the beginning. I'm not saying the US did nothing, I'm saying that all three main allies were hugely important to winning the war and none of them "saved" the others. The US did not save Europe. European powers and minor nations themselves outnumbered US forces in Western Europe (let alone all of Europe), but that doesn't mean the US wasn't an integral part of the victory. The point is: we did it together and there was not one country that distinctly rose above the others in this regard. The British Empire, United States and USSR were the three big allies that won the war together and each was roughly equally important throughout the war.
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  914. +cgdude yo Funny you mention Communists because they're the original reason we started banning firearm ownership in Europe, or at least in my country. Much more difficult to stage a revolution without weapons. The Communist excuse is really poor, you should know that Europe obviously was plagued by it (and worse: by the USSR attempting to start and aid revolutions) a whole lot more. We also used to have an anarchist problem, who used to shoot up random places in the early 1900's, before the restriction on firearms. Nowadays we can have only hunting rifles (double barrel shotguns or bolt actions) or if you're a gun enthusiast you have gun ranges for the kind of guns you Americans would be allowed to take home. Why would I need more? If you are a member of a gun range for a few years you can even take a more advanced gun home. Being a criminal or mentally ill person disqualifies you for owning anything. What is wrong with a system like this? The Columbine excuse is also quite poor. They had bombs, therefore they should have firearms? Both are problematic and one problem doesn't negate the other. They should have access to neither. You do make a fair point about gangs. I also believe it's pointless to ban guns in the US now. You have allowed firearms to become so numerous that it's impossible to take them away from criminals now. A gun ban would diminish the amount of mass shootings but criminals would go on their merry way and continue killing. The cause of this is the availability of firearms in the US, caused by decades of legal firearm sale. It's past the point of no return for criminality. They have the guns and they won't give them away now. And no that doesn't mean gun ownership is good, it means gun ownership has seriously fucked up your country and you can't even fix the damage it has done at this stage. The high murder rate stays, about five times higher than the EU, enjoy.
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  921.  @tncorgi92  Wrong, Hans Christian Ørstead is not the discoverer of the element, he was the first to actually make aluminium. And since by this time aluminium was the dominant term in both European and even American science, he must have known it as aluminium. The discoverer of aluminium was Humphry Davy, but he failed to actually make it at the time. In 1808, he suggested calling it alumium. In 1812 he instead settled for aluminum. In the same year, another scientist reviewed his work and stated aluminium would be a more fitting name from a classical perspective. This then caught on in Europe and among scientists everywhere including America. Aluminum didn't gain traction in the US until the 1830's, because Webster for some reason chose to spell it aluminum in his 1828 dictionary even though it was aluminium literally everywhere, including among US scientists. US scientists continued to use aluminium while the general populace used aluminum. A century later, US scientists would also start using aluminum. So the reason for the US using aluminum is an 1828 dictionary misspelling aluminium. In fact, many different US spellings are caused by dictionaries (sometimes knowingly) spelling differently to the British counterparts. The British dictionaries took notice to the etymology of words and the history behind their sounds/spelling, US dictionaries were more simplistic. And sometimes... US dictionaries literally spelt words differently to the British just for the sake of being different, leading to nonsensical spelling differences. I wonder if this is such a case or if there's more behind Webster's choice.
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  982.  @mniskin  You speak of an idyllic situation in which the owners of land are also the ones working the land. In that hypothetical situation I would agree with you. However, I am speaking of a situation in which there are landowners who themselves do nothing, but use their ownership rights over the land to employ others to actually work it for them. In theory they could even purchase land, leave it completely unused and forcibly remove anyone that wishes to use the land from it due to their ownership rights. I don't care how these owners became the owner. Whether a feudal king bought all the land he rules over or took it by force, feudalism inherently is a system of coercion. Therefore what matters is how owners can and will employ their ownership rights to dictate to others how they can acquire their needs. In ancapistan it is theoretically possible and permitted to buy up vast swathes of land and to literally implement feudalism there. And if theoretically almost all land is owned in this manner, and you only get to choose who your feudal lord is, you can impossibly escape this coercion. Any system which allows this cannot claim to not be coercive. Ancap allows coercion by private actors and even backs this up by force (enforcement of ownership rights). That is why I say that only a system in which ownership rights do not exist can be non-coercive. If it is legal for anyone to start using unused land, and illegal for anyone to forcibly take over land that is currently being used by another, only then is there no coercion. Only then is every land "owner" also the producer of food. Only then can you claim that in all cases, you either produce food yourself or you must exchange something to an individual who themselves laboured to produce the food. Only that is voluntary. Capitalism cannot exist without coercion because ownership rights inherently require coercion to enforce them. If I own a house but leave it empty and live elsewhere, squatters have to be forcibly removed and denied access to that home in order to protect my ownership rights. It does not matter whether the state or a private actor enacts this violence towards the squatter. The point is it requires (a threat of) violence, always. So ancap cannot claim to be non coercive. Any system with ownership rights cannot claim such. Or perhaps a system in which ownership rights only exist as long as you actually use the good you own, and expire after a set period of not using it. F.e. I can leave a house empty for a year before my ownership rights expire and the house becomes res nullius. By the way: I want to clarify that a mistake many make is thinking that capitalism = free market. No. Capitalism is only one specific TYPE of free market, which places emphasis on ownership rights and thereby enables use of capital to acquire ownership over anything and passively generate income. There are many ways to organise a free market because yes, even free market functions based on rules. And choices can be made in regards to those rules.
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  991. +madmatt097 Hahahaha, you think European empires helped you because of shared beliefs? Not quite... we wanted to annoy the Brits. Your independence was a secondary result of rivalry between European empires. It's a plain fact that without especially French intervention, the Americans would have been very likely to lose, almost certain even. "Not because we needed it", sure You speak of terrorist attack but after France you have the most deaths due to terrorism lately. If we include non-islamic mass shootings and such you're number one. The US constitution was made on the basis of the Plakkaat van Verlatinghe (1581) and the English Bill of Rights (1689). Being anti-tyranny was not new, especially since it literally copies the Plakkaat van Verlatinghe in how it justifies the independence. "There is no country like it" ahahaha. That last bit is exactly my point; the US is protected against tyranny because the US army and other institutions are pro Bill of Rights, etc. and NOT because of the right to bear arms. As I said before, you need to make your institutions resilient against anti-democratic influences, NOT trust on armed civilians (a stupid idea from the very start). Your safety relies IN FULL on the willingness of insitutions to respect your rights. The moment they are corrupted, you're screwed with or without guns. It's not the guns that save you, it's the low level of corruptability of insitutions. You have proven only one thing in the US and that's how you can make civilians accept downright crazy things from the government if only you give them guns and tell them they're safe. You have the most corrupted government in the west. Your government spies on you. Your government can abduct and torture you without trial if you're a suspected terrorist. Your government cares only about corporations due to their "donations" keeping the current political parties in power in an artifial manner. You live in a country without proper representation and clamping to your guns will not change this. Try and set up your own political party and you'll find out how chanceless you are at voicing your own opinion in parliament. Does the US government truly represent the people if there is so little freedom to enter parliament and so little diversity in terms of political parties? The quality of the parties doesn't dictate how much seats they get; it's their capability of attracting the most corporate donations to invest it in campaigns. Lastly about freedom of speech, all you have to do is look at the core reason we have it. Voicing our opinions freely in a democratic society so we can have constructive discussions about the future of our coutry and rights. Where does hate speech and unnecessary personal insults fit in there again? That's right, it doesn't. It adds nothing of value to democracy AND damages personal lives of individuals. And hate speech can even lead to violence and disorder. Is riling up others with hate speech so they go on and commit violent offences a right? Is bombarding someone with personal insults a right? Should it be? Does it add anything at all to a democracy? There's more reason not to have it than to have it. Hate speech and personal insults/slander adds nothing but misery to a democracy. Voicing your opinion in a civilised manner does add to a democracy, as long as that opinion doesn't involve mass murder or something like that.
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  1004.  @DocRealTalk  There's no rabbit hole to be found here. Turkic peoples are not from Europe and the only reason the Turks own a piece of European land is because they conquered it. This is worse than calling the Russians "Asian" just because they conquered parts of Asia. Or calling Cypriots "Asian/Middle Eastern" just because technically Cyprus is not in Europe. At best one could say the Turks (not all Turkic peoples, just the Turks and maybe some Turkic peoples near Russia) are a Eurasian culture because they also have a history in Europe and spent time influencing and being influenced by regions in Europe, but that's it. Elves are not supposed to be humans, they are the spirits of our forefathers. Specifically our pagan hunter-gatherer forefathers. This is why their connection to and love for nature is emphasised, their affiliation with "magic" (as they were more adept at our ancient customs) and why they're often depicted as a dead or dying civilisation. It's why they live for extremely long periods of time (as long as we remember them, is the idea). And why they're depicted as knowledgeable, strong people, which comes from the ancestor worship elements of European paganism. Only the best fantasy out there gets these themes right, most are bastardisations. Tolkien depicted them beautifully. Yeah, most versions of elves today are just "humanoids with pointy ears", essentially. Only good fantasy gets the mythological themes right. Most fantasy is to mythological elves what Marvel comic book Thor is to mythology. By the way, elf in old Germanic means "white being". But I'd sooner say that's because of their spirit-like appearance than skin colour, which people back then didn't care about as much as we do today. If you put it that way, I agree.
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  1015. Ik wacht nog steeds op de vergoeding van Engeland en Frankrijk voor het rampjaar.... en nog eens Frankrijk voor de Napoleontische tijd waarin wij min of meer een kolonie van ze waren. En uiteraard de Scandinavische landen voor al dat geplunder door de Vikingen, dat kon gewoon echt niet. Oh, en de Romeinen die ons zo lang bezetten en onze opstand neersloegen. En grote delen van Oost Europa mogen bij Rusland en Turkije aankloppen voor schadevergoedingen wegens bezettingen en moordpartijen in het verleden, alsook een lucratieve slavenhandel wat betreft Turkije. En Griekenland verdient een fikse vergoeding voor het verlies van Constantinopel aan de Turken... sterker nog, geef Constantinopel en omgeving maar terug aan de Grieken, stop de kolonisatie. Hoe zit het met zo ongeveer heel het Midden Oosten en het Ottomaanse Rijk? Als we daarmee beginnen, met het idee dat nakomelingen van slachtoffers vergoeding/excuses verdienen van nakomelingen van daders, dan openen we werkelijk pandora's doos aan schadeclaims en rectificaties. Ondoenlijk en ook onlogisch. Hoeveel jaar gaan we terug? Wat voor misdaden komen in aanmerking? Wat voor vergoeding/excuses is op zijn plaats? Hier moeten we gewoonweg niet aan beginnen. Het verleden was in veel opzichten vreselijk, laten we ervoor zorgen dat de toekomst beter zal zijn. Daar schieten we nog wat mee op. Een wereld waarin wij streven naar een mooie toekomst is een betere wereld dan één waarin we verwikkeld zitten in het rechtzetten van het verleden.
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  1021.  @angelbarajas9180  It's not even only that. Fascism not only is anti-democratic but also anti-capitalist and extremely nationalist. And anti-marxist of course. A fascist wants a complete social revolution just like communists do, but instead of a marxist revolution they want a system of government in which the economy is completely organised to be in the interest of the nation. No free market, but a planned economy with class collaboration (which is by the way an important distinction from the communist planned economy with the proletariat; the fascists want to keep and even enforce the class differences but want the classes to work together in the interest of the nation as a whole). And a dictatorial government that holds the national interests at heart in a way that they see as more effective than democracy. Racism doesn't even have a place in normal fascism. That's something national socialists did; that was fascism with one small but ultimately disastrous difference; they believed nation = race. So instead of purging anyone that was against the interests of the nation, they purged anyone that was against the interests of the German race. Fascism is an entirely separate third option besides capitalism and communism/socialism. That's also how they presented themselves back then; the third option. The problem with the fascist (probably most are nazi's because they often mention race) strategy is that it brilliantly mingles with the "normal" alt right or even the normal right as such. It's extremely difficult to distinguish actual fascists from just alt right people and normal nationalists. And as Natalie points out, trying to make that distinction involves massive paranoia. How many dog whistles you see is entirely dependent on how many fascists you believe exist. It's impossible to distinguish whether someone is using a dog whistle or honestly expressing their beliefs. If you believe fascism is extremely popular, you might conclude that when someone makes a statement that can be understood as a dog whistle it probably is. If you believe fascism isn't that prevalent in society then you'd conclude that 99% of the time people making such statements are not a secret fascist using a dog whistle. It's just guesswork at this point.
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  1022.  @shmeet  That's just naive. Have you ever spent some time on reddit or some other internet forum with a leftist or right wing base? There are people who unironically think "real communism" was never tried and we need to give it a shot. There are people who unironically want to repeat the National Socialist horrors and there are people who "just" want fascism. They all exist and plenty of them do. Enough for them to be readily found on the internet. Enough for them to organise protests, enough to be a terror threat (christchurch, Anders Breivik, the mayor in Germany that got killed by Nazis a few months ago, if we stick to the right wing side). And again; whether there are many or not doesn't matter. You're either a hypocrite who first allows them to spread their ideology but when it gets too big you do a 180 and tell them they suddenly can't spread their beliefs anymore or you accept that if those ideas spread you will lose your democracy and your rights. Which is it? A hypocrite or someone who is okay with fascism or communism as long as enough people want it. I'm neither and that means I don't allow those views in the democratic discourse. Be it one lunatic supporting it or half the country. I don't care. You either allow those ideologies as acceptable ideas within your democratic discourse or you don't and oust them from the democratic discourse. All of the west, except you, has chosen the second option. You're just stuck in your old outdated views about democracy, as the US is on many topics... your system is not well protected against ill-willing agents that want to destroy democracy. All it takes is one major capitalist depression like in the 1930's to make a lot of people believe that other economic systems are better, usually either fascism or socialism. And then it's already too late. All it takes is a bit of social unrest and people will be looking for extreme "solutions". That's when those ideologies suddenly gain a lot of traction.
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  1024.  @shmeet  These people are not going to "amend" the Bill of Rights. They're going to spread their ideology until it's just popular enough to stage a violent revolution in which they take the Bill of Rights and tear it apart. They don't care about legal or illegal, they don't care about our current system at a fundamental level. The law itself doesn't protect your system, at least not enough to stand against malicious ideologies seeking to subvert it. Once they get too popular; and this doesn't have to be the majority either (not even by far), it's over. That's why you have to be either accepting of those ideologies or against them. The middle ground is equal to accepting them. There is no middle ground on this topic, the middle ground doesn't always exist. Either you don't accept their ideology and fight it, or you do accept their ideology, knowing that if they ever pass a certain threshold they'll take away all your rights and freedoms. Legally or illegally, they don't care. Should you do the latter, know that the one and only thing saving you is that they're not popular enough to stage a revolution. I believe that's careless. To me, my basic rights and freedom are not up for discussion and nobody but myself can choose to take them away. Some tankie commie can't vote to take my democratic rights away. Some nazi can't vote that certain people should literally die. These things can't be voted for, so those ideologies can't be voted for. Do you think it's reasonable that within a democracy I can vote on whether you should live or die?
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  1025.  @shmeet  In Russia it took 4% of the population (5 mil of 125 mil) to usher in a Soviet revolution and the Russian Empire was much bigger than the US (bigger than Russia today). By the way, over 50% of millenials aren't really fond of capitalism as it's practiced now... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/26/a-majority-of-millennials-now-reject-capitalism-poll-shows/. What if capitalism fails again with another crisis and these people start gathering together, not just to oppose capitalism, but to propose a new system in which democracy and your rights are null and void? What if a Lenin or Hitler comes along promising to fix the system they dislike? No laws and systems are going to stop revolutionaries that take what they want by force. The only thing stopping revolutionaries is that there are not enough revolutionaries and how we ensure there never will be enough revolutionaries is to prevent them from spreading their ideas. (just as a side note, criticism on the failures of our economic system is perfectly fine within democratic discourse, but spreading an ideology that also seeks to overthrow democracy and disregard our human rights or conduct genocides are off limits). Again your argument boils down to "yeah but they're not numerous enough". The point of banning their speech is not whether or not they're capable of actually implementing them. The point is that those ideas are fundamentally against our current beliefs and rights and have no place in a decent democratic discussion. Therefore, why allow those ideas in the democratic discussion if they are never meant to actually flourish? You either accept that they flourish or you don't. The only question that is relevant here is this one: would you be okay with it if communists or fascists would democratically vote away your rights or not? If not, those views have no place in the plurality of ideas within your democracy. If you do, fine allow them to spread their ideology. What you're saying is "we won't stop their speech, we'll just wait until they're big enough to stage a revolution and then shoot them dead". Why allow them to grow big enough to start claiming American lives in the first place ? It's like saying you won't do anything against Nazis because "we'll just fight WW3 and win just like last time". When there is violence, it's already too late, whether they win or not. If we had your idea of freedom in Europe, there'd have been communist revolutions here long ago. I prefer the way it went; without bloody revolutions. We fought their subversion early. And so did you in America by the way.
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  1031.  @iustinianconstantinescu5498  Socialism is the working class seizing the means of production. Not "gubberment does stuff, the more stuff they do the socialismer it is". And I know this will blow your mind but what if I told you that free market socialism exists? It's a system in which workers control the company they work at, but those worker-controlled companies still compete with eachother on a free market. Yes, that is socialism too. Or how about anarcho-communism, which literally doesn't have a government and has as its only principle to abolish all oppressive relations (like upper class vs lower class)? They all have one thing in common: the workers seize the means of production. This has nothing to do with private vs public. If I work for myself, I as a worker have control over the means of production in my own company. Technically I'm then conforming to socialist principles since I own my own labour. If we have capitalism and change literally nothing except that workers must have control over their companies (by for example voting on subjects where normally the CEO would make a unilateral decision), that is already socialism despite there still being a free market. The government/public sector CAN take a role in socialism (you see this with authoritarian socialism like the USSR), but doesn't have to. Public means that society collectively owns something, which is not the same as the working class owning something. For example, if the government (representing society as a whole) takes control of something that is public. But if a company decides that its workers (not society as a whole, JUST the workers in said company) collectively own the company and control it themselves, that is still PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. The workers then own their company privately (like how shareholders can own a company privately in capitalism. That it's a group of shareholders owning a company does not make it public), yet at the same time that is in fact socialism because the workers own the means of production. The only principle of socialism is that everyone should own their own labour. This can be achieved through both public and private means. Socialism can be achieved by centralised public control of everything (USSR), but it can also be achieved by having all companies privately owned by those that work there (in this case, everyone owns their own labour and thus, it is socialism).
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  1035. +Michal Niewiadomski And what can citizens with guns do? Are you going to defeat a modern army with some hunting rifles? Countries with armed populations and countries without armed populations are equally screwed if a fascist comes to power, whether you like it or not. It's a fantasy that a bunch of civilians can match a modern standing army, especially nowadays with body armour and equipment like tanks, armoured cars and helicopters. European resistance forces in WW2 were armed by the British with top-notch military firearms that matched what the Germans had, yet all they could do was harrass the Germans here and there and hide. And this was against a foreign invading force, not against a domestic fascist that would have support locally from other civilians and employ propaganda to brainwash the citizens. When a fascist slowly takes power, you have to question whether the citizens will even take up arms AT ALL. An intelligent fascist slowly takes power and makes sure the citizens won't want to revolt until it's already too late for that revolt to matter and/or will brainwash civilians into never revolting in the first place so that only those smart enough to withstand this will think of resisting. Germans, for example, at first thought Hitler was a good thing for Germany. Why would they take up arms against him at that point? Then he slowly took power and used propaganda against Britain and other European countries to shift focus from his power grab to the "foreign threat", distracting the civilians and hiding his ambitions for power. Any dissidents were dealt with before they could organise and resist. Fascism isn't a clear enemy of your rights, it's something that is slowly slipped in there. The point is that they take power without the civilians noticing and even with plenty of support. But let's assume the civilians get organised against a fascist government that has taken power already. Especially nowadays, those civilians would be crushed under a modern army. They'd arguably be even more helpless than European resistance forces were to overthrow the Germans by themselves. What are you going to do against a helicopter above you picking off the white dots on his thermal vision with his cannon? Here are some examples from history of fascism/communism taking power despite the citizens actually resisting and being armed. The Spanish civil war. The citizens for democracy fought the ruling fascists and were supplied so well they had tanks and airplanes (the difference was so small that the fascists had 290 tanks and the resistance 200. The fascists had 600 planes and the resistance 350). The fascists won regardless and oppressed the population. In 1956, there was a nationwide revolution against the Soviets in Hungary. Local people started peaceful protests against Communism. These protests turned violent after rumours about protestors being shot in other places. They overran local forces at first and started arming themselves, they even seized Soviet tanks. In the end, the government was overthrown, partly because the Hungarian military sympathised and generally didn't fight. Then... the Soviets invaded again and crushed the revolution. They imprisoned and internalised thousands and a couple hundred thousand fled the country. The communist party slowly gained control over Hungary again and after a few years things were back to "normal". This shows two things: an unarmed population is capable of arming themselves against an oppressive government and an armed population is equally helpless against a modern military as an unarmed one. In the end, an unarmed country with good legal preventions against fascism/communism taking power is better protected than an armed country without those preventions. Just imagine what would've happened with the Turkish sharia party I talked about in my previous comment if the party was never made illegal and instead was capable of taking power, but civilians took up arms to protect their democratic rights. There would have been a heavily divided country and a bloody civil war, with a higher percentage of the country actually supporting the undemocratic sharia party. Who was better protected, the militant democracy unarmed Turkey or the fully democratic but armed Turkey? Europe is better protected against undemocratic parties than gun-toting America is: fact. They trust their guns too much, equally naïve as Germans trusting their democracy in the 1930's. If the same instance as with that Turkish party would happen in America, the party would not have been made illegal and would be in government with a majority seat. The opposing citizens might take up arms and plunge the country into a civil war. One side would be a minority group of armed civilians and the other side would be the government plus the majority of civilians supporting them. I wonder who would've won... Your argument is invalid
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  1036. +Michal Niewiadomski It seems we actually agree on most points, except perhaps the significance of firearms. I'm also for gun possession, or more specifically; I support the status quo in most of Europe. 1. Yes, an armed population will make a fascist think twice when compared to an unarmed one. But an armed population pales in importance when looking at the possible legal and other possible preventions against fascism. As mentioned before, fascism is all about grabbing power under the radar and brainwashing the population into supporting you. The further they're brainwashed, the further the powergrab can go. The reason for this is that whether the population is armed or not, a nationwide revolution against the standing government is a huge problem. The point of fascism is to take your democratic rights away while having you cheer for it. Attempting to take such rights away from a population that doesn't want it, will inevitably result in that fascist failing. A fascist power grab is a delicate process and entirely dependent on the amount of people it can influence into supporting it. In short, in the early phase of fascism it's irrelevent whether the population has weapons. Any large resistance against the fascist would mean he's done for. In the later phase, where fascism is firmy in saddle and enjoys control over all institutions, things are different. An armed population is going to be in a better position, since the fascists at this point are capable of suppressing resistance. An unarmed population would need to arm itself first (á la Hungarian revolution). The unarmed population is far from helpless, but the armed one enjoys a headstart, if you will. However, in prevention of fascists coming to power, both populations are equally capable, since weapons and violence plays no role in that stage: it's about gaining support in that case. 2. I completely agree, in any scenario it's preferrable to own a gun. 3. At this point we seem to be shifting from domestic oppression to an outside invader. Yes, an armed population is more of a threat than an unarmed one, but is it a relevant threat? If Russia would be prepared to invade the EU, with all the deaths that'd come with it, would the fact that there's 80 million civilian owned firearms here bother them? The main defence of any nation should be the military. If the military is not enough to dissuade a foreign power from invading, neither is a collection of armed civilians, organised or not. An entity that decides to attack the US or EU is prepared to take millions of casualties and in fact risk the destruction of their own country by counterinvasion (not even considering allies of the US or EU aiding them). Armed civilians are not pivotal in such decisions, and if they are, that country has a pitiful excuse of a military. When Germany introduced the volkssturm (arming all civilians from young to old), the allies were more relieved that apparently the German army was on the decline than they were concerned about millions of armed civilians (under potent military command, mind you). When we're talking about invading countries and the casualties that can cause, the armed civilians and possible casualties they can cause are a side note. 4. This point I fully agree with. A society trained with weapons on that level would significantly improve the defence of a country. Civilians would de facto be incorporated in the military. This has the advantage of having a military that can be mobilised with incredible speed. There's a good reason Finland has 1.4 million reservists, and Switzerland also has a system that allows such rapid mobilisation. During the cold war, so did most European countries, in fact (not exactly like that though). 5. I believe in the same principles, but not in the ability to personally defend them with violence. That should be the role of a capable police force and military, in my view. The thing about violence is that it itself is also something that we are opposed to or at least deem unwanted in a peaceful society. This means that in order to protect values of society you sometimes need to breach other values of society. That is what using violence is in this context: protecting values by violating values. To keep the violation of values to an absolute minimum, we must make sure that only the minimum needed violation of one value (use of violence against citizens) is employed to protect the endangered value. Only a competent police force can do this properly. Entrusting protection of values to citizens will in every case mean that excessive violence is used to protect those values. For example: killing a robber is excessive violence, unless it was done to protect another life, in which case it was the minimum necessary violence to protect the endangered life. A society that entrusts civilians with the protection of values is a society with excessive violation of values. 6. If there was a robber in my house I'd want the most effective weapon to defend myself, being a gun. Gun possession should be possible, but not for the purpose of protecting oneself against anything. I believe in professionals that protect civilians with respect for everyone's rights. I don't want to live in a country where people can arbitrarily get shot for stealing a candy bar, as a matter of speaking. I believe that gun possession should be possible for those that have a proper use for a gun or simply are gun enthusiasts, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea that everybody should have guns for protection. At the same time, guns should never be taken away. Keep in mind that there actually isn't a dramatic difference between US and European gun laws in general. In the EU you have background checks (criminal record, mental health) for everything, more strict checks for more dangerous weapons (semi-automatic somewhat modern rifles) and can't own fully automatic guns. In America there is no checks that I'm aware of and fully automatic weapons are legal but very difficult to obtain (heavy background checks and more. The reason for the disparity in gun ownership manly lies in culture differences. If I want to get a gun, I can. I just don't feel the need to. As for shooting a rifle, I can't say I've ever shot a proper one. I have shot an air gun, but that's not a proper rifle. I've also shot blanks on a C8 (Canadian M4, basically), but that's no actual shooting. I do have to say that since not so long ago I've been quite interested in some WW2 rifles and hope to one day shoot the Lee Enfield, perhaps own one because of my interest in it. But that's been one of those things I want to do but never really come around to pursuing. I might own one some day
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  1041. Only at the start. Better western tanks were already developed and saw limited use on the front. Tanks that could more or less rival their Soviet counterparts. The USSR capability of victory lies only near the beginning of the war. If they managed to push away the Western allies quick enough and manage nother Fortress Europe, if you will, then I give it to the Soviets. But if the Western allies stood their ground well enough, limiting the advance, the Soviets faced an inevitable downfall. The Germans lost because of oil, lack of production quality and lacklustre supply capabilities. The Western Allies suffered from none of this. And they had fighting capabilities that the USSR simply wasn't prepared for. The British idea of essentially using long range bombers to decimate the industry of the enemy was highly succesful on Germany and Italy and when the US joined they also geared themselves to this kind of warfare. The western allies had options against the Soviets that the Germans could only dream of. Bombing Soviet oil fields near Stalingrad would be a piece of cake. Cities could be nuked. Maybe eventually the Soviet industry could be reached but if not the West should have air superiority (more and technologically superior planes) so them hunting down Soviet supply lines should be a serious problem for the USSR. The USSR would face naval lockdown and a trade blockade due to the West controlling the seas and most of the world. France would be mobilising (1.3 million men by 1945 and still mobilising....), as well as other liberated Western territories. Eventually one would wonder whether the Soviets would even have the numerical advantage (their only advantage) left.
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  1043. No.... collectivisation is not just any group owning the means of production, it is a huge group owning the entire means of production of a country. You can't compare the proletariat or the German race to bloody shareholders controlling a company together because "hurr durr both are groups". The shareholders are seen as the bourgeoisie under these systems. Under socialism there is collective ownership of the means of production and EVERYONE, from the owners/managers of the factories to the workers, has a share in it. Essentially it means the means of production are no longer used in the interest of generating profit for individuals (something both Marxism and NatSoc hated), but are from then on used in the interest of the working class or the German race as a whole. Shareholders employ the means of production for themselves, to generate profit, that is not socialism. Collectivised factories in the USSR are used to benefit the working class as a whole (both the managers and the workers), in Nazi Germany they were used to the benefit of the German race (both the owners and the workers), in fascism they were used to the benefit of the nation (both the owners and the workers). In all three systems, the government created policies directing how the means of production would be used and what all the wages would be, etc. The government decided what was in the interest of the working class/race/nation and the corporations followed that. In theory you can even have a fully planned economy, but if the government still employs the means of production to generate profit and not to collectivise the means of production for a class or race or whatever, it is still capitalism. Socialism is not "government does stuff" or "groups do stuff", it is about collectivisation and the eradication of the capitalist idea of individuals owning the means of production and using it to their own personal benefit if they like.
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  1051. You miss several important points. - Having a simple preference is valid, but very often this isn't about preferences. The response that these films get is not just expression of preference, it is deep crticism of and attempts to cancel the films. You cannot hide behind the argument that it's just a preference while at the same time trying to cancel films because they switch races. Then there clearly is more to someone's opinion than a simple preference. - secondly, who is criticising these films? It very often is NOT actual fans with nostalgia. You cannot tell me that a 30+ year old conservative guy on YT destroying the little mermaid is just expressing a preference as a true fan. They are deliberately targeting these films from bad faith and also ONLY changes to race, usually not other big changes that'd mess with nostalgia. He'll usually they don't even notice other huge changes, they deliberately cause outrage over non-white characters. This is inconsistent and hypocritical "criticism" from conservatives and it's a shame you do not recognise that. - you also misrepresent the argument for diversity. It is NOT based on the idea that one needs to look like you for you to identify with them. It is based on more general diversity. Seeing predominantly or even only white characters on screen can put damaging ideas in the minds of non-white kids, as they see a pattern of white always being the hero/main character while black is a side character at best and maybe once a hero main character such as Blade. Seeing these patterns puts wrong ideas about society in the heads of kids.
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  1080. The fear of tradwives probably comes from two places; firstly even though it is their choice, it is in fact a choice that places a lot more power in the husband's hands, in the relationship dynamic. He has the financial power, earning the income of the household. This choice definitely creates a power imbalance in relationships, and to feminists this can be seen as inherently anti feminist, ESPECIALLY when promoted as a great choice towards other women without mentioning the negative sides. Plus, if tradwives become the norm, this not only has influence on the power dynamic between partners in a relationship, but on the power/influence of women in society in general. In this sense also, a feminist might see this trend as turning back progress despite being a choice. But as Shoe rightly points out, it is above all their own choice. Criticism of them painting a overglorified one-sided picture of what being a tradwife entails, could be valid though. Secondly, this trend very much seems to cement being a stay-at-home parent as an inherently feminine thing. That is an issue because this reinforces gender roles that we probably should be getting rid of. In each relationship, both partners will have to discuss how they will deal with kids and household chores. Usually this at least will involve one parent working less than the other (or not at all). It should not matter whether it is the man or woman that stays at home. We should separate being a household parent from being feminine, because this idea that they are connected pushes women into this role as a standard. It also prevents couples from coming to solutions that involve shared or alternate (as Shoe mentions about her upbringing) household roles, because pushing the woman into this role is seen as "natural" in society. This is wrong. A stay-at-home parent trend would be a lot better than a "tradwife" trend that portrays staying at home as inherently feminine and uses glorified imagery from a very patriarchal past. Knowingly or unknowingly they are reinforcing gender stereotypes. They can choose to live this lifestyle and enjoy it without falling into this unfortunate trap that may harm society.
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  1092. +AC.507 N True. For like 80% of the war, the US was either not present or a minor contribution to the war effort in Europe. North Africa saw 36.000 dead British (not even Commonwealth, just UK), 16.000 dead French resistance and 2.700 dead Americans for example. Even a resistance force did more than the US professional army in North Africa, significantly more. In Italy, US forces made up a little more than one fourth of the total forces. British Commonwealth forces made up roughly three fourth, the Poles were there too as well as other Europeans. Poland alone was about half the size of the US presence, despite being just a resistance force at that point. The truth is that until D-day, America was one of the minor armies that supported the British Commonwealth, comparable to Poland. After D-day, the Americans came in numbers and were part of the main force. They had roughly 3 million men all over Europe in april 1945, the British Commonwealth roughly 1.1 million in North-West Europe only. In Italy there were roughly 1.3 million men by then, of which the grand majority were British Commonwealth. So let's say about 3.4-3.5 million Americans overall and 2 million British overall. This includes Americans stationed in Britain btw (doing nothing), but excludes British military stationed in Britain (also doing nothing). So 3.4 million Americans stationed in Europe, fighting or not fighting. 2 million British Commonwealth fighting at the front. Not the huge difference people like to imply it was, even if we assume 100% of the stationed Americans actually fought (which they didn't). And if you count the French, which had 1 million men fighitng again in 1945... The British military alone did WAY more fighting in Europe than the US, let alone all European allies combined. The US, in turn, did more in the Pacific
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  1095.  PIMP PRIEST!  Het is blank, dat is de term die altijd is gebruikt daarvoor en de term die gebruikt hoort te worden. Dat blank ook andere betekenissen heeft staat daar totaal los van. Je kan niet eenzijdig de taal veranderen. Zowel wit als blank zijn correct. Ik ben zelf ook gekleurd maar je moet wel heel fragiel zijn om je beledigd te voelen door het woord blank. Bovendien is er geen relatie tussen de andere betekenissen van blank en de verwijzing naar huiskleur en wordt ook de term wit historisch gezien in verband gebracht met 'rein' en 'zuiver'. De termen zijn min of meer synoniemen en beide termen zijn duizenden jaren oud en kunnen dus ook niets met racisme te maken hebben. Ik heb het over zijn boeken omdat hij zo veel heeft geschreven en zo veel heeft gedebatteerd, maar mensen als jij dat allemaal negeren ten faveure van een samenzweringstheorie gebaseerd op één woord. Ik vind dat belachelijk en oneerlijk. In een democratie luisteren we naar elkaars argumenten, het is niet de bedoeling dat we ons reduceren tot het gebruiken van stropopredeneringen. Het is fout om dit te doen. Iedereen moet op basis van zijn/haar argumenten en acties beoordeeld worden, niet op basis van één woord met een neutrale betekenis die in het verleden door anderen op een negatieve manier zijn gebruikt. Het zijn geen "punten" waar je hem aan vast pint. Jij pint die punten zonder enige aanleiding aan zijn woorden vast en legt vervolgens hem woorden in de mond. JIJ deelt hem een mening toe die hij nooit heeft uitgedragen én waar hij openlijk en herhaaldelijk afstand van neemt. Voorts kloppen die verzonnen ideeën niet met de historie van Baudet's schrijfwerk, toespraken/debatten of voorgesteld beleid. Het is gewoon onjuist en oneerlijk om zo met mensen om te gaan. We hebben geluk dat dit maar bij hoge uitzondering gebeurt want anders zou deze hele democratie naar de knoppen worden geholpen omdat er geen inhoudelijk debat meer mogelijk zou zijn temidden al die stropopredeneringen.
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  1096.  PIMP PRIEST!  Je doet alsof Baudet nooit heeft gereageerd op die twee punten... Hij heeft al duizend keer gezegd dat hij met boreaal slechts de letterlijke betekenis bedoelde en dat hij het betreurt dat men ervoor kiest om dat op zo'n raciale manier te interpreteren. Over dat intelligentieonderzoek, dat is niet door Baudet naar voren gebracht maar iemand anders binnen de partij die inmiddels eruit is gegooid en alles wat Baudet er ooit over heeft gezegd is dat hij niet weet of dat waar is. Hij wordt continu aangevallen op het feit dat hij niet uit morele overweging een wetenschappelijke conclusie wil trekken, wat nergens op slaat. Moraliteit en wetenschap staan los van elkaar. Ik wil niet dat ethniciteiten verschillende niveau's van intelligentie hebben, maar dat ik dat niet wil betekent niet dat dat ook wetenschappelijk zo is. Ik kan geen uitspraak doen over of een wetenschappelijk onderzoek waar is of niet, zonder daar zelf onderzoek over te doen ofwel een ander onderzoek te lezen dat het ontkracht. En achteraf blijkt Baudet in het gelijk gesteld: je moet geen standpunt innemen over de wetenschap zonder bekend te zijn met de materie. Dat hebben andere politici wel gedaan en daarmee gingen ze direct tegen de wetenschap in. Zie hier de waarheid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKtgausyhco Ik vind het ongelooflijk hoe jij Baudet aanspreekt op "boreaal" (=noordelijk, maar ook in het verleden door Le Pen gebruikt in een racistische context), terwijl jij zelf spreekt over "wij zwarten" en "het beschermen van onze zwarte kinderen met ons eigen bloed". Dat is tien keer meer racistisch gepraat dan één dubieus woord. Dit soort gepraat verwacht ik van zo'n extreem rechtse samenzweringstheorist die gelooft in die "omvolking" onzin en zegt hoe "wij blanken onze kinderen met ons eigen bloed zullen beschermen". Echt, je moet eens zien hoe ver heen je bent. Je hebt het over een soort rassenoorlog hier en spreekt van "zwarten" alsof het een homogene groep is of zo. Alsof "wij zwarten" samen gaan komen op basis van ras en gaan vechten tegen "de blanken". "De blanken die samenzweren om het zwarte ras om te volken" zeker, omdat iemand een keer "boreaal" zei? Belachelijk. Doe even normaal, zoiets gaat niet gebeuren, stop met die samenzweringstheorieën.
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  1116. ​ @KayO199X  I subscribe to a variety of news channels so that I don't have tunnel vision. It has nothing to do with how (non-)violent I think Russia is. And I was referring to how the US came to existence, not the things it has done since its existence. The grand majority of countries have societies that have lived there for tens of thousands of years. Perhaps fighting other tribes/countries, perhaps fighting internally, but not invading land halfway across the world, massacring the natives and replacing them as the main inhabitants of their land. That is the uniquely disgusting past of the US. And no, Australia wasn't the same. In the US, westward expansion was forbidden by the British and while the East was settled with the usual violence, the British left the natives in the west alone and merely traded with them. While many aboriginals died of disease and war in the east of Australia, there was no westward expansion and today, one third of Australian soil is owned by Aboriginals, which is a huge patch of land. And luckily their populationis back to the level it was before Europeans came (primarily the diseases were hard on them). After the American revolution (and westward expansion was partly the motivation for the revolution, among other things), the westward expansion and manifest destiny saw Americans butcher the natives en masse and eventually replace them as the main inhabitant of the US. You even had sterilisation campaigns for native women well into the 1970s . Genocide on this scale is rare and particularly nasty, possibly even the worst kind of genocide that ever took place. Can't think of a comparison, not even the holocaust
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  1121. ​@Simon T The constitution is not a clear-cut yes or no kind of law, especially not in the UK, where the entire constitution is essentially unwritten customs. Constitutions are the most complex laws of any nation, right at the heart of the functioning of the state and the basic rules of society. A judge can't decide for parliament how to fill in those constitutional principles. And indeed, if we investigate the REASON the judge allowed Boris' measure, he stated: "This is political territory and decision-making, which cannot be measured by legal standards, but only by political judgements”, therefore he didn't step in to stop it. However, parliament itself DID step in and stop it, confirming that it was not only constitutionally questionable but also constitutionally wrong. Boris broke constitutional convention by doing what he did. Sidelining the parliament in such an important issue breaches the principle of parliamentary sovereignty and goes against democracy (but you could argue that he did so with a direct democratic mandate from the referendum though). As for the rest, I mostly agree. The way parliament deals with this is problematic to say the least. The government can't make any deal with the EU when they can't threaten a no deal. Boris would be the EU's playing ball if they know that he can't return without a deal and will bully him into a bad deal, nothing he can do about it because he'd have zero leverage. So I understand why he thought it necessary to break convention by sidelining parliament. But he'll have to find a way to solve this with parliament instead. The mess continues and parliament is wholly responsible for it
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  1143. Hij zegt het zelf al: een quotum lost niet de achterliggende redenen waarom vrouwen de top niet halen. Dus... wat is het nut van een quotum anders dan discriminatie? Als de reden dat vrouwen de top niet halen bijvoorbeeld is dat ze heel vaak parttime werken, dan is dat het obstakel dat vrouwen tegenhoudt de top te bereiken in gelijke getale als de mannen. Maar dan moet je je nog afvragen... is het überhaupt een probleem dat in een vrije samenleving vrouwen er zelf voor kiezen deeltijd te werken en daarmee hun carrière (deels) opofferen? Als je het mij vraagt niet. We leven in een vrije samenleving waarin iedereen zelf keuzes moet kunnen maken mbt wat ze willen worden en iedereen gelijke kansen moet hebben die ambities ook waar te maken. Onderdeel van zo'n vrije samenleving is dat niet iedereen dezelfde ambities heeft. Niet omdat ze niet capabel zouden zijn, niet vanwege ongelijke kansen, maar omdat ze het simpelweg niet willen. Als ik als man een minder hooggegrepen baan kies omdat ik liever een mooie balans tussen familie en baan wil dan gaan voor honderd procent carrièretijger, dan is dat mijn keuze. Dat is niet "slecht", dat is hoe ik mijn eigen leven wil inrichten, hoe ik gelukkig ben. Dat geldt voor elk individu, of ze nu vrouw of man zijn. Hoe veel van welk ras of gender of wat dan ook aan de top zit is irrelevant. Het gaat erom dat elk individu, ongeacht hun ras, gender of wat dan ook, die top kan bereiken wanneer ze daarvoor kiezen en capabel zijn. Dát is een gelijk speelveld. Politici moeten het verschil tussen die twee soms even leren.
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  1146. ​ @hamcatjones8028  Did you even read my comment? Most was about how Christianity completely destroyed European religion, traditions and general culture and took their place. Yes, obviously there are many holidays dedicated to Christianity and what makes it worse is that 90% of those holidays used to be pagan but had their meaning erased and replaced with Christian themes. Europe experienced WORSE than Maoris, we experienced a cultural genocide that was one of the most severe that any culture had to endure. And of course you see the remnants of that throughout history and today. And is there a Roman holiday? No, but Romans are mostly regarded in a positive light as the ones who brought us civilisation. And Christianity is also often seen in a positive light and by the odd ignoramus even as part of our real original culture. The truth is that our traditions were destroyed by Romans bringing civilisation and NO practitioners remain, unlike Maoris who do still have many traditionalists. And Christianity completely and utterly did its best to genocide every last bit of our culture and to a large degree succeeded to the point that many don't even KNOW of our pre-christian traditions and culture. Do tell me how what the Maoris experienced is worse than that. It's mild in comparison. They were allowed to persist even though subjected to colonisation (to compare, practicing European traditions/religion was punishable by DEATH in the christianised Roman Empire and in no way allowed). They are today respected and honoured (another comparison, our pre-christian ancestors are still viewed as dumb violent barbarians with inhumane and satanic beliefs. And funnily enough, that is how we at the time viewed other traditional peoples as well so the Maoris were victims of this bullshit world view too). None of this justifies what was done to Maoris, but the point is that almost every single culture had to experience something like this in the past. It was unfortunately the norm throughout history to conquer and pillage others. There are several noteworthy exceptions that were worse than anything else and some examples of that would be the genocide of Native Americans, the mass murder (for a large part by disease, but still) of South Americans, the cultural genocide of Northern Africa by Islamists and the cultural genocide of Europe by Christians. All of these were evil on a VERY large scale and practically destroyed an entire culture to be replaced by their conquerors.
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  1150. +Claudia Trumpsta Wat de media allemaal zegt boeit mij niet zo veel. De feiten zijn dat Europa de NAVO helemaal niet nodig heeft voor defensie. Als wij aan de 2% komen is het gecombineerde leger van de EU beter dan dat van Rusland. Ik weet nog dat Willem-Alexander een paar jaar geleden nog met Poetin zat te lachen met een glas vodka erbij. Rusland is onze vijand niet, we kunnen de huidige problemen oplossen zodat we weer door één deur kunnen. Dit is niet de Koude Oorlog. Ik zeg dump Amerika, laten we onszelf verdedigen en ervoor zorgen dat we als normaal met Rusland overweg kunnen inclusief handel én handel in gas/olie. Over de tweede wereldoorlog: ik zal even de drie meest belangrijke actoren in Europa noemen, van groot naar klein. Rusland. Het Britse Rijk. En dan pas Amerika. Zo. De eerste wereldoorlog is nog erger. Een klein land als Servië heeft drie keer zoveel militaire doden als de VS in die oorlog. Roemenië 3 tot 4 keer zoveel. Italië 4 tot 5 keer zoveel. De grote landen hebben allemaal rond de 10 keer zo veel militaire doden. Laat me niet lachen, de VS heeft geen bal gedaan in de eerste wereldoorlog. Ze hebben amper het einde gehaald, zo laat waren ze. En zelfs in de laatste gevechten waar Amerika bij was hebben Frankrijk en het Britse Rijk beiden significant meer doden dan Amerika. Bovendien is het 70 jaar geleden en het boeit me niet zo veel wat Amerika of wie dan ook toen heeft gedaan, zelfs al waren ze de belangrijkste actor. Het gaat om nu. En nu is Amerika een "bondgenoot" die zo weinig om ons geeft dat ze in Syrië, een land dat een grens heeft met de EU , een burgeroorlog ontketenen vanwege eigen interesses in regime change. Syrië, een land waarmee de EU een deal had om migranten tegen te houden in ruil voor economische investeringen. Precies hetzelfde geldt voor Libië. De waarheid is dat de VS/NAVO twee landen die cruciaal waren voor het EU-beleid rond de mediterrane zee compleet plat heeft gegooid. En we kennen de resultaten. Maar goed, blijf maar geloven dat de hele migrantencrisis kwam omdat een of andere vrouw in Duitsland zei "kom maar" :) Ik quote Tusk nogmaals: "With friends like this, who needs enemies?". Denk daar maar eens over na. Amerika mag opdonderen, of ze nou Obama of Trump als president hebben. Zij, onze meest gewaardeerde "bondgenoot", zijn de grootste bedreiging voor de veiligheid van Europa. Wat zij hebben gedaan in 2011 is vergelijkbaar met de EU die eventjes een burgeroorlog in Mexico aanwakkert en vervolgens stomverbaasd is dat Amerika wordt overspoeld door migranten. "Oeps". Dat zijn dan onze bondgenoten. Wie heeft vijanden nodig met vrienden als Amerika?
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  1152.  @marikeaerts1667  Zo werkt geschiedenis niet en dat "geschiedenis is geschreven door overwinnaars" (een uitspraak die je steevast onder elke YT video met enigerlei geschiedenis erin) is kolder. Het beginpunt van geschiedenis zijn objectieve feiten uit het verleden. Je kan selectief feiten daaruit halen om een eigen verhaal te vertellen, maar je kan ook zo veel mogelijk nuance aanbrengen en zo dicht als je kan op de objectieve feiten blijven om een accuraat verhaal proberen op te stellen. Dat laatste is neutrale, objectieve geschiedenis, of ten minste zo neutraal als geschiedenis kan zijn (perfecte geschiedschrijving bestaat niet, zeker naarmate je terug in de tijd gaat. Dat betekent dat geschiedenis altijd enigszins gekleurd kan zijn door hetzij de gekleurde natuur van de bronnen uit die tijd, hetzij de afwezigheid van concrete bronnen waardoor de moderne geschiedschrijver bepaalde dingen moet aanvullen naar eigen inzicht). Maar "geschiedenis is geschreven door overwinnaars" is en blijft absolute kolder. Perfect neutrale en objectieve geschiedenis is ook niet realistisch, maar er bestaat wel een onderscheid tussen objectief naar de geschiedenis kijken (en aldus een zo goed mogelijk beeld verschaffen van die tijd) en subjectief feitjes plukken uit de geschiedenis om een gekleurd verhaal te vertellen. Jij doet alsof geschiedenis op zichzelf al ALTIJD dat laatste is, maar dat klopt niet. Als Congolezen en Belgen beiden de volledige, objectieve geschiedenis proberen in kaart te brengen, zullen ze ongetwijfeld tot vrijwel dezelfde uitkomst komen en dat is een feit.
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  1157. Very well TIK. I'd describe myself as a socialist. A libertarian market socialist specifically. After I shortly explain my views, I'll tell you what you have to do to win me over. I like the free market, I just don't like the capitalist framework in which it functions (my main issue is the ability of capital investors to gain permanent ownership of a company, and a passive right to a portion of its profits even if they contributed nothing other than a one time investment). I think authoritarian states are abhorrent. Biggest lesson from the 20th century is that authoritarianism is ghastly and planned economies do not work. I accept the subjective theory of value, that's just basic economics. I think free market economics do a great job of allocating resources where they most efficiently meet the demands of the market(/society). And most importantly, a free market WORKS on a fundamental level. I'm in favour of a free market in which businesses ONLY distribute profits among people who actually directly contribute to it (i.e. workers, including the people at the very top of the business). And I'd like this distribution to be reasonably linked to how important the contribution of a person is (I say reasonably because it's rarely possible to put an exact number as to the value of someone's labour, since value is subjective after all). This way, if the business runs well, everyone who made this happen receives the fruits of it. If a business doesn't run well, there is no profit distribution and perhaps even a cut on the wages of that month. Everyone in the business shares in both the profit and the losses. NO third party can gain ownership of another's business. Third parties may loan businesses capital for interest (reasonable interest) and other means of for-reward capital investments, as long as the reward enjoyed is reasonable and NOT permanent. Beyond this, the worker-owned businesses compete on a free market in the same way they do within capitalism. One important element is taken out: the concept of a shareholder does not exist. Only those within the business itself are entitled to the profits of their labour. So.... tell me this one thing: why is the extreme emphasis that capitalism puts on rewarding capital investors NECESSARY for a functional economy (I call the idea of a one time payment entitling someone to a PERMANENT right to a part of the profits of others' labour extreme)? Or in other words, why can't a free market be organised in such a way that wealth is more evenly distributed? Why does a market supposedly collapse the moment you tinker with the ability of third party investors to grab a piece of the profits of a business? I'm open to arguments, if I think you're correct I'll watch the entire economics in one lesson video you proposed and seriously consider becoming a capitalist.
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  1187. Exactly my opinion on the matter. I find it baffling that their response to gender stereotypes being social constructs is to create more genders for themselves. The correct answer to the notion that gender stereotypes try to tell men/women how to behave even if they aren't like that is to say genders are meaningless and oppressive social constructs that need to be thrown in the bin. Address people by their biological sex and then allow all to develop their own personality freely, that's it. Being a man with feminine personality traits does not make someone "non binary" or even worse; gender fluid (a different identity depending on how they feel that day.... absurd). It makes one no more than.... a man with personality traits that we typically consider "feminine". There is no need to place all this in boxes. There is no such thing as being inbetween man and woman, spare for some extremely rare cases of people born without a determinable biological sex. Personality is just personality, nothing more. Being a man or woman (or in rare cases inbetween) is about biology. Now transgenders are a special case, since their identity issues are not (only) based on gender stereotypes, but on biological sex. They feel a strong need to become part of the opposite sex. The best solution for men with those issues seems to support their transition and treat them as if they are a woman. But an actual biological woman they will never be. If transitioning solves their identity issues, that should be supported. There is a big difference between treating them as though they were a woman and actually stating they are a woman, though. The first is an act of compassion to help them cope with their issues, the second is an active distortion of reality to fit someone's fantasy/ideological view of the world. They will always be biological men wanting to become women or vice versa, not actual women. I think a lot more people would actually accept transgenders if they weren't so hellbent on distorting reality. We get your plight, we want to help you, but that goes too far. Reality is reality. I think socially treating them as though they are women is the morally correct thing to do, but it ends there.
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  1209. Hello TIK, thank you for clarifying your viewpoints. I understand them better now. Still, I have a few issues with your position that I will share. 1. Regarding socialism, you rightly quote various socialists' own definitions of socialism as, roughly speaking, public ownership of the means of production. What you have not considered, however, is WHY socialists want this. They do not want public ownership for the sake of public ownership, they have a specific goal to achieve with this public ownership of the means of production; socialism aims for (a representative government of) society as a whole to take control over the means of production, so that the economy is run in the interest of the entirety of society, rather than just a small, wealthy subset of it. Egalitarianism is a very important goal of socialism. By just quoting socialists' definition of socialism as "public ownership of the means of production" and stopping there, you end up missing a lot of the context surrounding what socialism as an ideology is. Essentially, you end up defining socialism by the means by which it means to achieve its goals, while ignoring the goals as such (and I hope we agree that the goals of any ideology are an absolutely central part of what that ideology is!). This is why I think you rightly point out the connection between socialism and public control over the economy, but wrongly end up with an absolutist point of view that EVERY type of public control over the economy automatically is socialism. To apply this to calling publicly owned shares in a corporation a form of socialism; yes, technically this is (limited) public control over a corporation (i.e. a part of the economy/means of production). Does this however fit within the ideology of socialism? No, because socialism does not aim for limited public control over a part of the economy, it aims for a complete seizure of the means of production in order to ensure that the economy is run in the interest of society as a whole. That is the entire point of socialism; creating an egalitarian economy by having the government take control over it on behalf of the working class/society. A few hundred/thousand individuals buying shares is NOT the same thing as wishing for all means of production to be used in the interest of the broader society rather than individual interests. You already seem to partially see this by naming that you see this as more of a hybrid between public and private (which I would agree with), but you still choose to call this socialism (which I disagree with for above reason). 2. Also regarding socialism, I want to point out you almost exclusively quote authoritarian socialists that want a dictatorship of the proletariat in the from of a government taking direct control over the economy, but there are many other forms of socialism that do not share this view. Especially libertarian or anarchist forms of socialism may not fit this definition well. By quoting mainly authoritarian socialists, you may end up equating only this specific form of socialism with socialism as a whole. I understand this focus on authoritarian socialism, because historically we have for the grand majority of instances seen authoritarian socialism in practice (and failing all the time). But remember when speaking of socialism as a whole, libertarian and even anarchist socialism also exists. I feel like you have too little attention for this, which I understand, but then you must specify you are only/mainly speaking of authoritarian socialism.
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  1220. ​ @khululyp  Is gender identity partially informed by actual biology? Sure. Women and men are not the same, we do have a biological tendency to like different things, broadly speaking. Socially, women on average do have a natural tendency to behave differently in various ways, which in turn informs what we perceive as typically "feminine" social behaviour. But we also created stereotypes that massively exaggerate these differences, and many raise their children to fit these stereotypes. Other typically "feminine" traits/preferences are just straight up fabricated by society. Matt f.e. names lavender candles as "feminine", but why exactly? Because society has randomly slapped the label of "feminine" on there, no other reason. Women have no biological reason to like lavender candles, nor men any biological reason not to like them, this is something society has made up. Gender identity is basically partially exaggerated differences between men and women, and partially completely made up differences, that all in all compound into a social construct of what your typical man or woman is, according to our culture. I agree that liking a few typically feminine things does not make you a woman. In fact, many men do like typically feminine things and vice versa. Because we have randomly branded many things "masculine" and "feminine" while really both genders like them. Gender dysphoria is not about liking feminine things, it is about mentally actually being a different gender to your body. Being a woman is not just about your body. It is also about your mind. Having female genitals only says something about your biological body, but not necessarily your brain. Matt is telling only half of the truth when defining women by their body only. There are actual biological mental differences between men and women, as well as socially constructed differences in terms of identity. Trans people have a disconnect between their mental gender and their body. Gender dysphoria is a real recognised thing in psychology. We do not help these people by ridiculing the only thing that makes them happy: changing their bodies to fit their minds; transitioning to their mental gender. I do agree with you we should differentiate between people who have gender dysphoria and f.e. men who identify with typical feminine traits and think that makes them a woman. Being a woman is not just about liking make-up and pink. The problem is that it's incredibly hard to define what a woman, in the mental sense, is. We know there are mental differences between men and women, but these cannot easily be defined. Even our own constructed female gender cannot easily be defined. "What is a woman?" is actually a deceptively difficult question to answer and focusing only on the body/genitalia is cutting some serious corners. When someone is mentally, hormonally and partially also bodily a woman, I'll call them a woman. They'd definitely be a lot more woman than man. Trans women are mentally women (thus socially behave as a woman), have the hormonal make up of a woman, have feminine bodily traits such as soft skin and breasts (naturally, due to female hormones) and surgically have changes their biological body to resemble a female body, BUT don't have female reproductive organs and have XY chromosomes. They are like 90% woman post-transition. What sense does it make to latch on to those chromosomes and say 'nope you're a man'? It just serves to bully them, nothing more. And considering their suicide rate due to how society tends to not accept them, bullying their identity is a downright evil to do.
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  1221.  @richardashendale922  Your first issue with my post is already directly addressed in my previous post. I said that gender identity in part is informed by actual biological differences between men and women. However, these differences are often exaggerated and turned into stereotypes. I will take your example of men being able to handle stress better than women to illustrate my point further. Yes, men biologically are better equipped to handle stress/anxiety than women. However, society has exaggerated and stereotyped this difference to mean: men are expected to NOT have stress/anxiety at all, and to if they do not show this to their peers. Because "real men" do not or barely experience anxiety and are seen as unmanly if they do admit to need help for anxiety. This aspect of male gender identity is an exaggerated and stereotyped version of reality. Adversely, women are thought to be overly emotional and mentally fragile by the female gender identity stereotype. These are damaging stereotypes that infantilise women and encourage men to neglect their mental health. These stereotypes may partially be informed by reality/biology, but it is very important to note that they are a massive exaggeration of biology to the point where gender identity is NOT representing reality anymore. Men are better at dealing with anxiety, therefore they experience NO anxiety and NEVER should seek help? This makes no sense. Being slightly better at something does not mean you're perfect at it! And women are worse at dealing with anxiety, therefore they are overemotional weaklings that need protection constantly? Being slightly worse at something does not mean you're helpless! In truth, this mental difference between men and women biologically exists, but the difference actually is not that great. Definitely not even close to great enough to form the kind of stereotypes we see in gender identity. Remember that this gender stereotype was used back in WW1 to shame veterans who had PTSD/shell schock. Because certainly men should always be paragons of mental stability, no matter the things they face, so goes the stereotype. This is not reality. Your second point does not change my argument. I merely sought to distinguish between the mental and physical. Regarding your third point, if it is easy to define feminine neurology, please do. That'd help this discussion massively, since I can't come up with a comprehensive definition so easily. In any case, I agree that having masculine/feminine traits alone does not mean you have male/female neurology. In fact, the entire idea of masculine/feminine traits is another one of the massive exaggerations I mentioned under the first point. There are certain traits we see a bit more often in women or men, so we at some point named those masculine/feminine traits respectively. But the problem is that the grand majority of those traits are very common in the opposite sex as well, making it nonsensical to gender them. Looking at psychology, there is a great overlap in terms of the character traits of women and men. We are much more similar than most tend to think. The differences mostly are slight. The grand, grand majority of humans have a mix of feminine and masculine traits. Yet gender identity regards these traits as a hard split between men and women. Men are expected to embody all the stereotypical masculine traits, women all stereotypical feminine traits. This actively denies the reality that we all are a mix of the two traits and do not differ that much from one another in terms of personalities. But I digress. Now your last point. It is true that most of the biological changes happen due to transition procedures. The argument is indeed about psychology and whether the neurology of a person fits their biological sex or not. We seem to agree that if there is a disconnect, transitioning to help gender dysphoric people achieve mental stability is a good thing.
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  1232. +Khal Drogo Why would the South have been allied with Hitler? Fascism really isn't something the South likes or ever would have liked. The South would probably have been hardcore isolationist. Plus, if America was divided and Fascist, you'd have had to seriously fear Canada in the 1940's. They'd kick your arses back then when not unified. And that's not even taking into account that the North would be against a Fascist South as well. Going Fascist with a democratic North and Canada close to them is like a death sentence for the South. Canada alone would probably have gotten the job done. And Mexico was allied too, to put the last nail in the South's coffin. As to Nazi Germany winning WW2, I wouldn't be too sure about that. Without US supplies the British empire would only slightly outproduce Germany and its territories. Before the US joined and signed the Lend-Lease agreement, Britain had booked significant successes in North Africa and the Middle East, ruled at sea and established a firm position in Britain itself, but in Europe the fight against Germany was a stalemate (Norway, Greece, Dieppe raid failure). Britain could have done Italy alone, with them forming the grand majority of the forces in the Italian campaign anyway. Beyond D-day, however, things get interesting for the British. Since the British planned D-day and the following breakout of Normandy, they clearly were strategically capable. The question is did they have the manpower? I think so; they never resorted to conscripting men from the Empire, if manpower was desperately needed they could do this and theoretically match the invasion force of the UK and US. Equipment would be much less, though. Russia greatly outproduced Germany but without Lend-Lease would miss certain equipment so they too wouldn't be as effective as they were in WW2. Nonetheless, the victory at Stalingrad and Kursk would have happened regardless. Russia was in itself capable of defeating the Third Reich. Perhaps it would have taken longer. Conclusion: the Nazis would probably still have lost.
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  1261.  @nicklammers3633  Dat kán niet, je leeft in een fantasiewereld. We kúnnen niet eindeloos groeien tot we in een of andere utopie zonder armoede leven. Dat bestaat niet. Het is niet de realiteit. Daarnaast gaat het grotendeels niet om armoede, maar om luxe. Dat of door het systeem gecreëerde armoede (mensen die geld hebben maar vanwege bedrijven met hoge winstmarges toch niet veel kunnen betalen). Het probleem met armoede is dat veel daarvan (in Europa) komt doordat moraliteit compleet geen rol speelt voor bedrijven. Het gaat ze niet om bijdragen aan de samenleving, het gaat om maximale winst. Dus wat gebeurt er? Ze gaan op een prijs zitten die hoog genoeg is om een hoge winstmarge te hebben, maar laag genoeg om veel mensen aan te trekken. Doorgaans valt wat een armer persoon kan betalen onder die prijs. Dat is niet omdat de productiekosten zo hoog zijn, niet omdat de winst met een lagere prijs niet respectabel zou zijn, maar puur en alleen om de hoogst mogelijke winst te behalen. En denk ook aan wat bedrijven bij de invoer van de euro hebben gedaan; salarissen waren wat men in gulden kreeg omgerekend naar de euro, maar prijzen werden hetzelfde getal maar dan in euro. Oftewel... toendertijd zijn de prijzen gewoon verdubbeld (gulden is ong 2 euro) zonder reden. Niet omdat dat moest, maar omdat ze daarmee weg konden komen. Dat soort gedrag is precies wat armoede überhaupt mogelijk maakt. Eerlijkheid speelt geen rol, alleen winst. En doordat eerlijkheid geen rol speelt, leven heel veel meer mensen in armoede dan hoeft. Als wij kapitalisme naast winst-geörienteerd ten opzichte van de bedrijven zelf, ook moreler kunnen maken ten opzichte van de samenleving, is het systeem meer in balans. Moet je je voorstellen hoeveel mensen nu niet in de armoede zouden leven als bij de invoering van de euro ook de prijzen waren omgerekend. Dát soort gedrag leidt tot armoede en je kan groeien wat je wil maar die armoede blijft zolang dit gedrag blijft.
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  1283. Wat leuk, we gaan mensen terughalen om hier te vervolgen voor lidmaatschap van een terreur organisatie (max zo'n 3 jaar) terwijl we totaal geen idee hebben wat ze daar allemaal hebben gedaan (misschien wel meervoudige moord) omdat we daar natuurlijk niet effectief kunnen onderzoeken los van enkele idioten die allerlei gruwelijkheden op sociale media hebben geplaatst en zelf het bewijs hebben aangeleverd voor hun deelnemen aan de strijd. Wat een puik plan, jongens... Dat zal de lokale bevolking ook fantastisch vinden. In plaats van hun aanvallers daar te kunnen berechten voor de ogen van de slachtoffers die daar zo'n behoefte aan hebben, waarschijnlijk met een hoge straf tot gevolg, worden IS'ers daar weggehaald en hier ongelooflijk soft berecht. Dat heet nu rechtvaardigheid.... Om nog maar niet te spreken over het feit dat je mensen die het westen haten en geloven dat je westerlingen het beste maar kan executeren omdat ze ongelovig zijn terughaalt naar.... het westen. Wat kan er toch misgaan, hè? Werkelijk ongelooflijk dat dit überhaupt discutabel is; ze moeten daar berecht worden. Dat is niet alleen pragmatisch voor ons vanuit het oogpunt van veiligheid, maar ook beter voor de rechtvaardigheid van hun uiteindelijke bestraffing en hoe dit door de slachtoffers wordt ervaren. Het is ook leuk hoe de standaardpraktijk is om criminelen in het land waar ze de straf hebben begaan te veroordelen (evt. alleen de straf in NL uitzitten, niet meer dan dat), maar bij terroristen opeens iedereen de behoefte op voelt rijzen om met die praktijk te breken. Ik zal nooit begrijpen waarom een Nederlandse moordenaar in de VS gewoon daar berecht wordt en niemand deze gevestigde praktijk ter sprake stelt, maar we een terrorist dan opeens wél hierheen zouden willen halen ter berechting. Dit klopt van geen kanten.
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  1288. +Badger0fDeath The EU combined economy is stronger than ever and outgrowing the US at the moment. The EU is the one that stopped the middle eastern migrant crisis by using its leverage as an economic and political power to strike a deal with Turkey that immediately dried out the migrant stream. The EU is the one that is currently using this same power to diminish the migrant flow from Africa and prevent any future crises. And the EU is richer than the US, but when the UK leaves it will be second. The combined EU military is almost the size of the freaking US military so I wouldn't call it pathetic. Truth is: if we are divided we can't arm ourselves against the future population growth in Africa and the migrants that might come. We don't have enough leverage over African countries on our own to make them fight population growth and migration. Together we do. If we are divided we are economically no more than semi-important and have no leverage in trade deals. Together, we can tell big companies like Apple or Google what to do. And also remember that when we're divided, war between European states is possible again. I know that nothing will happen, but I think it's funny that a few weeks after Brexit the UK defence minister already spoke of war with Spain if they continued their pursuit of Gibraltar. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon And again: if you don't like the current EU, change it into something you DO like. All we have to do is work together and how we do it doesn't really matter that much
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  1289. +Lynx That's where you're wrong. If you knew anything about the EU, you'd know that the "EU bureaucrats" have nothing to say about what happens with the EU. The EU lives and dies by its member states . What OUR governments say, happens. What OUR governments say, the EU bureaucrats do. The European Council dictates the political coarse of the EU. The European Council of Ministers votes on whether to pass a law or not (as well as the Parliament, which is directly elected but less important than the Council). And as the name suggests, the European Council of Ministers is literally the ministers of all our governments sittings together. And the amount of times countries lose a vote is also limited. Generally, countries try to come to a joint decision and will try to prevent doing things not everyone likes. For example, this is one of the fact-checking statements from brexit (as usual, both sides lied....): https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/ The UK agreed with 95% of the EU laws that passed and only voted against 2% . Countries generally all agree with a law, except for a few controversial ones. And the voting system is set up in such a way that you need the majority of the total EU population to vote for it AND the majority of member states. I would personally prefer to live in a superpower region that is also free and democratic. And again, if the EU isn't democratic for you, change it. The power lies with the member states (European Council) to decide the political coarse of the EU. Hell, the member states can dissolve the current treaty and make a completely new one! That's what we did when we changed the European Economic Community into the European Union! We can make the EU more loose, we can make it go further, we can change it into something else entirely even. We can work together in a myriad of ways and all I want is that we work together to defend our interests. If you are against the current EU, please advocate to change it and not to destroy it all
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  1291. +Lynx Yes you did. It's good that you mention the EU army, because countries have voted on that on the 15th of november. 5 countries voted against, 23 countries voted for and guess what? Those 5 countries simply won't be part of the EU army and their vote will be respected. Yes you can vote against the big countries whenever you don't agree with them. Same with the Euro, those who didn't want it, don't have it. Big things like this are never pushed down anyone's throats. As for your vote being drowned by people with other cultures, it isn't. The entire point of the EU is that wherever we are different, our own governments remain sovereign. On whichever subjects we have common goals, we work together. The EU doesn't have any say over small issues that only exist in one country. The EU works on a bigger scale than that. What you said can be applied to just about any international treaty out there. Should we stop having contact with other countries at all? Before the EU, countries in Europe would do very similar things through treaties. However, it is true that with the EU we of course see much more cooperation. As for the Soviet Union, it was a union of de facto equal states but Russia of course had a lot more influence and power than the rest. The EU is different: in terms of voting, the majority of the EU population needs to be represented, in other procedures even 2/3. Even if France and Germany want something, they can't get it done without building support with the grand majority of other countries. Another clear and very important difference is that the Soviet Union had a one-party system. One Communist party ruled every country in it and who controlled the Communist party? In the EU, everyone's national politics is left alone. Everyone has their own interests and can defend their own interests without ending up in a gulag for opposing the Communist party. On the surface (equal countries in a union) it may seem the same, but when you look further it's entirely different. The reality in the EU is governments sitting together and working out an agreement (and other countries' opinions are always respected, nothing is pushed through without support). The reality in the USSR was one Communist party controlling everything and everyone, and guess who was the leader of that party? Stalin, Krushchev, etc. The Russian leaders... Very, very, very different.
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  1314. Het uitgangspunt moet zijn dat iedereen gelijke kansen heeft om bepaalde posities te bereiken. De uitkomsten zijn irrelevant. Als de meeste vrouwen deeltijd willen werken moeten ze dat vooral doen. Als de meeste vrouwen geen zin hebben in zeer bezwarende topfuncties (meeste mannen trouwens ook niet) dan is dat hun keuze. Voor zover de verschillen komen door een cultuur waardoor vooral mannen worden aangenomen moet dat worden doorbroken om vrouwen gelijke kansen te bieden, maar als we het hebben over eigen keuzes dan zou dat geen probleem moeten zijn. Iedereen mag zijn/haar leven inrichten zoals ze dat willen en als deeltijd werken daar onderdeel van is, mooi dat je daar blij mee bent. We doen steeds meer alsof we allemaal MOETEN werken en het hoogst haalbare moeten halen, maar wat er echt toe doet is vrijheid zelf al die keuzes te maken. Het is onzin om voor arbitraire 50/50 cijfers te gaan alsof mensen nummers zijn, terwijl in de realiteit de persoonlijke voorkeuren van ieder persoon meespeelt bij de vraag hoeveel vrouwen of mannen bijvoorbeeld voor bepaalde studies kiezen. Laat iedereen zijn wie ze willen zijn ipv vrouwen te vertellen dat ze iets moeten doen wat ze misschien wel helemaal niet willen. Zo ongeveer 80% van de verplegers zijn vrouw. Als mannen die baan niet leuk vinden en vrouwen juist wel, wat is dan het probleem? "Verkeerde" keuze/voorkeuren? Het tegenovergestelde geldt voor bepaalde technische banen. Als mannen en vrouwen doen wat ze willen, dan zul je verschillen zien omdat wij grosso modo ook verschillende interesses hebben. Niet elke man zal het niet leuk vinden om verpleger te zijn, niet elke vrouw zal techniek saai vinden, maar binnen hun gender zullen ze wel de minderheid zijn. En dat is geen probleem want iedereen moet lekker doen waar hij/zij zin in heeft om een zo gelukkig mogelijk leven te leiden. Verschillen? Jammer dan. Dat is een feit dat iedereen zal moeten accepteren ipv die verschillen kunstmatig te willen "oplossen".
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  1328.  @wendigo017  You're kidding me right.... pagans "brutally murdered" eachother only in the way nations would wage war on eachother in the exact same way later on. Meanwhile Christians waged religious wars in which protestants absolutely slaughtered catholics for being catholics and vice versa. This was not a thing in pre-christian Europe. It became worse with the entering of christianity, and with this I'm not even talking about the crusades in Europe (no not the middle eastern ones, the crusades into Europe to forcefully convert pagan Europeans) and how christians came to power in Europe to begin with (it's not a very nice story). You have an extremely screwed up view of the Renaissance if you think that was in any way christian, because the Renaissance was all about reviving Classical (i.e. pre-christian) European values, art, philosophy, architecture, you name it. This was the point when the influence of christianity started to decline and European culture was revived. You know... hence Renaissance/Rebirth.... Chrisian influence was at its absolute peak right after they broke apart Classical Europe and before the Renaissance, in what some call the "dark ages" because in these times we drastically fell behind and didn't start to flourish again until the Renaissance. Christianity is nowadays a very nice religion, but the truth is that back in the day when it entered Europe it destroyed and replaced a system that was far superior to it. Europe had a better position in the world with the pagan Greeks and Romans than it did in the early Middle Ages, when even Islamic countries were more advanced than we were. This was only corrected by reviving elements of that destroyed Classical era and we became even better with the Enlightenment, by placing rationality above everything. Christianity became part of our identity, but this idea of christianity literally "saving" us from the "dark pagan times" and "elevating us/teaching us many things" could only be thought up by christians with a particularly romantic view of history.
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  1329. +Sizano Green Too bad that it isn't a myth. Here in the Netherlands, one of the better countries when it comes to integration (unlike for example Sweden, we have laid a lot of focus on integration), it has failed too. According to very recent government research, Muslims in our country have become increasingly religious since their arrival. It was thought that as people would live in a secular country they themselves would become less and less religious and more Dutch as time passed. Instead, mainly because of tensions between different parts of society, they looked to distinguish themselves more from Dutchmen and therefore became more and more religious as a means of separating themselves. 94% of the Moroccans here define themselves as Muslim and 86% of Turks do. About 80% is integrated, meaning that they can speak Dutch at least somewhat well and other baseline things (so the level of integration we achieved is rather good, I think). Another recent government study showed that Muslims felt the need to behave differently at work. They are "themselves" at home, but when at work or otherwise come in contact with Dutch people they feel the need to conform to Dutch norms (meaning they have integrated fully, to the point of seamlessly working together with Dutch people), but they feel like they have to juggle between cultures al the time and that they can't be themselves at work or around Dutchmen. They have trouble with this, according to the study. They aren't their real selves around Dutch people because their real selves would not be accepted, or accepted less (that's how they feel anyway, but I think they're correct). These were the results of that study. Multiculturalism has failed. At least with Muslims, who tend to identify themselves by their religion above all. As they come here they're expected to adjust. As they are criticised by society (be it justly or unjustly, both occur), they look for their identity more intensively and find Islam. They become more religious the more they are criticised. And when fully integrated, they still lead dual lives between their homes and the Dutch society. They will never be fully like us if they stick to their religion and culture, which is exactly what they do. It's not a pleasant life for them either, as they can't be themselves around us. They conform to our norms when around us, but can be themselves only at home or with family. This is why they tend to group together in cities; they look for people they can follow their own culture with. And who can blame them? Would we Europeans be able to fully integrate in a culture that is drastically different from ours? Would we not want to live with other Europeans too and live by our own norms when we can? We would do the exact same thing in their shoes. Multi-culturalism does not work. It tries to force people to shun their own culture. It's not good for them and it's not good for us. Multiculturalism works only with cultures that are somewhat alike, compatible if you will.
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  1357. +madmatt097 And European armies are any different? Just face it: the ultimate defence against a totalitarian government is to build institutions that are nigh incorruptable. America isn't protected against tyranny by ownership of weapons (armed citizens would be beyond hopeless against the US army), but because of US institutions having a low chance of becoming tyrannical. And guess what? European institutions have built in multiple safe guards after WW2 to make sure something like that never happens again. The US doesn't have the same level of safeguards and even they are moderately safe from going tyrannical. European countries are so well protected that a totalitarian party can literally become the biggest party and still be barred from ruling (tried and tested: in early 2000's Turkey the biggest party wanted to introduce sharia law... it was promptly disbanded and made illegal. It had 2 million members and was set to win the elections, yet it was succesfully destroyed before it could introduce oppressive religious laws). This is not specifically directed at you, but the notion that the US is better protected because of guns is crazy. The idea of armed citizenry rivalling the government has been outdated for a literal century by now, if it was even relevant at all (after all, even the US itself relied on European empires such as France to intervene in their revolution, otherwise it'd have been a sure loss). The plain fact is that European, gun-less societies are much better protected than the US is against tyranny because we learned from WW2 that our democratic system must be vigilant against anti-democratic forces. We incorporated defences in our actual system rather than relying on firearms.
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  1358. +madmatt097 Wrong, according to the world freedom index, America is behind just about all of Western Europe, a substantial amount of Eastern Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and more. You have less political and civil freedom in the US and that's a fact. Gun ownership won't change that... especially since you can own guns just fine in Europe too, if you don't have a history in mental institutions. Nor will absolute freedom of speech, because what you fail to understand is that rights are not a one way road. My absolute freedom of speech would enable me to use my right to invade on other's rights through for example hate speech against them. Why should I need to accept hate speech against me or slander that can affect my reputation? Even in Roman times this was already illegal and for most of history a man would challenge you for a duel to the death for opening your mouth in the wrong way. Compare it to freedom of movement; I have the right to go where I please, but does that mean I can also enter your house at will? No, that would invade your personal space. Rights have to be balanced with eachother, not be absolute to the point of seriously affecting other people's personal lives. And about governments, yours is corrupt and cares more about companies' "donations" than the actual citizens of America. You have so little political freedom that you can barely choose between more than two parties and have zero chance to enter politics with a new party. The success of parties is reliant on the amount of donations they get from corporations, which enable them to launch billion dollar campaigns. Anyone without at least a multi-million dollar budget is doomed to lose. Here in the Netherlands all you need is 30k signatures of support for your own party and you get equal air time to the established ones... Just last elections, 2 new parties entered parliament, of which one is now projected to become one of the biggest next elections. And we have 15+ parties in there, with a wide range of ideals. That is REAL liberty, an actual opportunity to defend your views in parliament instead of the artificial choice you get in the US. You just don't understand what liberty means if you seriously think owning firearms is even remotely relevant for it... You're just stuck in your idiot founding fathers meme about firearms being able to defend against tyranny even though they themselves needed European empires like France and the Netherlands to intervene in the revolution! Remember that without other European empires, the Americans would have had little chance of winning. It was a mediocre idea at best when it was conceived and already hopelessly outdated by... say the 1930's, when the difference between the military and citizens became larger and larger. At this point a truly cruel government can just sit back, relax and murder hundreds of civilians with a joystick and a monitor like it is a bloody game (drones). Yeah your AR-15 will totally save you. You're one of the least free western countries and that's a fact, only some Eastern European countries score lower and you're at the absolute bottom of the first world, with even some second world countries beating you; https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2017#anchor-one
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  1359. Dndn Ndhd  I'm not talking about what Hitler said, I'm talking about the actual system of National Socialism. It's a special case because they didn't have the classic idea of having workers seize the means of production. Hitler wanted to get rid of the class struggle by uniting all classes into one class: the Aryan race. There was a lot of privatisation under National Socialism, but the corporations weren't free like in a fully capitalist system. If "the people" needed something, the government could order companies to produce something for national interest. If the approached companies would refuse, nationalisation could follow. Take Hitler's Volkswagen for example, with which he wanted to mobilise German citizens. Under National Socialism there was no seizing of the means of production, because Hitler wanted to unite all classes under one class (the German people). And the German people in general owned all means of production. Then he made sure that the means of production were actually used in the interest of the German people by directing what the owners should do with them. Hitler hated the selfish motives of corporations in capitalism (but liked the competition between corporations and strive for improvement) and he also hated pure socialism (but liked that the means of production were actually used in the interest of the people). National Socialism is an attempt to take the best of both into a new system. It has the privatisation of capitalism but the control over corporations of socialism.
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  1393. A well done analysis! The problem is that mainly due to the influence of anti-racism activists from the US, this entire topic has politicised into a "white versus black" thing, while in reality it's a lot more complex. In the US I think one may conceivably say that there was such widespread racism that the state and white population as such can be pointed towards as having contributed to it, but in terms of the Dutch slave trade this is so much more complex. Most Dutchmen didn't have anything to do with slavery, plus I wonder what they even knew of it. Maybe their attitude towards it was comparable to the way we think about our corporations using cheap labour abroad today. Yes, there is plenty of exploitation happening abroad, yes it's our corporations and yes, we buy those cheap products that are created that way, but in the end we kind of ignore it or are only half aware of what happens. Should we then apologise for it? Are we complicit? In a way, yes, but also not really. Could it have been similar with slavery back then? Just the WIC making money and the average Dutchman only half knowing what is going on but still buying those cheap products? I wonder. And what was even the state involvement? Did they encourage the WIC, do nothing, actively aid them? At the very least they knew about it and allowed it to continue, making them complicit, but how much did the state do? Also an interesting question. And what of the black slave traders? Why do they not need to apologise and why are their descendants even asking for compensation/apologies themselves? Should we track everyone's ancestry and see who is "guilty"? How does it even work in the first place to be held accountable for something your distant ancestors may or may not (but probably didn't, statistically speaking) do?
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  1399. +Devil Hex You're right about the real life scenario, one could argue forever about it. My opinion on the matter is that the US simply can't pull off an invasion and meanwhile... the EU starts outproducing the US until at one point in the future (talking about years of course) it feels comfortable to take the war to the US. So kind of a draw but with better perspective for the EU in the long run. And yeah in an arena war the EU would lose because of lack of air power. The EU is essentially just a slightly bigger and more advanced Russia, militarily (in terms of land and air power, that is. Navally the EU outclasses Russia clearly). So it would play out similarly to the US-RU arena war. About the warships, yes destroyers and cruisers are the biggest and most powerful of warships, but they can't equal multiple smaller vessels coming at them. The smaller vessels have the exact same defences as the destroyers, but there's multiple targets instead of just one. They do carry less anti-ship missiles though. Multiple frigates can only deliver the same firepower as one destroyer, but are better protected than the destoyer due to spreading out as different targets each with the defensive capability of a destroyer. Ultimately the frigates would stop more missiles while being able to shoot just as many. The EU has 40 destoyers, 87 frigates and 35 corvettes. So they're close to the amount of destroyers the US has and have over 100 smaller vessels to compensate for the 20 or so US cruisers and 20 destroyers that remain. About the subs, you are wrong. Nuclear submarines are actually inferior to diesel subs in battle. Diesel subs are quieter, but nuclear subs have longer range. So nuclear subs are better if you need to send one halfway across the world, but when you're close to the enemy... a diesel sub is actually quieter and therefore better at submarine warfare. The nuclear reactor means a nuclear sub can stay submerged longer and travel further on its own, but it is louder too. If a nuclear sub and diesel sub meet, the diesel has the advantage. But... every 2-3 or so weeks it has to get to the surface to recharge its electricity.
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  1400. +Techno Viking Poisonous substances are much easier to smuggle into a country than weapons. Customs check for drugs (pills, powder...), weapons, things like that. Poisonous substances can be disguised as food or something else and can also be carried in extremely low quantities (apparently this nerve agent is very potent), making it very low risk to smuggle it. Attempting to purchase illegal weapons in Britain itself is an alternative, but that risks you ending up on the radar of British intelligence, which is something that absolutely must be avoided by the killers for obvious reasons. Second, it sends a message quite a bit more clearly than a conventional killing does. This nerve agent can only really be manufactured by a state, or at least a very rich and well-organised entity. Using this on a former spy sends an eerily clear message, more so than a simple gunshot. It suggests Russia is behind it, but if the attack is carried out perfectly (as they usually are) there's not enough evidence to actually point at Russia. So now we are in the situation that Russia is the clear main suspect and sent the message, but Russia won't experience severe negative effects until there's actual evidence. So it's either Russia (most likely), or another entity that wishes to suggest that it is Russia (also possible). All the BBC does is report about the most logical suspect and I think anyone knows that it's not 100% certain. What I would really be concerned about is if the BBC reported that there might be a conspiracy going on, without any kind of evidence. Now that would be concerning. I don't think they want you to think it was Russia; they want to to know/think Russia is the main suspect. Everybody who can think for himself can watch this and still be aware of the possibility that it wasn't Russia. You shouldn't be so quick on calling something propaganda/biased just because it doesn't report possible conspiracy theories
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  1407.  @ZeldagigafanMatthew  Nazis were not capitalists, but fascists (and a special form of fascism at that, which made it a lot bloodier than regular fascism we've seen in other states). Calling fascists capitalists is about as inaccurate as those modern right wing talking points about fascism being a form of socialism (moreover, calling fascism capitalist actually was a far left talking point in the past as well. Stalin called national socialism the "natural end point of capitalism", which is of course ridiculous). Fascism is an anti-marxist/socialist, anti-democracy/liberalism and anti-capitalist system. It's the "third option", if you will. The only deaths we can truly blame capitalism for is the deaths it has indirectly caused by failing to provide for people. Having enough food but failing to distribute it properly. Being able to treat people medically but simply not doing it because they're not insured. Perhaps working people to death or at least into sickness due to bad working conditions. And it's a stretch to compare these types of deaths to the more or less active killings that happened under Nazism, Fascism and authoritarian versions of Communism/Socialism. In my eyes, an unnecessary death is not the same as summarily executing someone or willfully taking food away from them to have them starve. So yes, capitalism has its flaws, some of them major flaws, but let's not take that extra step and compare failing to distribute food to something like the holodomor under Stalin.
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  1412. Wat de rechter heeft gedaan is het volgende: De regering heeft verdragen getekend waarin staat dat alle klimaatverhalen kloppen en dat door mensen uitgestoten CO2 levensbedreigende situaties gaat veroorzaken tenzij wij stappen ondernemen om die uitstoot terug te dringen. Als dat allemaal waar is (wat als je het mij vraagt onzin is, maar de politiek heeft verklaard dat dat allemaal klopt) en de overheid gebonden is aan het recht op leven, dan is het de taak van de overheid om alles te doen wat ze kan om de levens van haar burgers te beschermen. En dat betekent dus het terugdringen van de uitstoot. Het probleem is dus dat de regering in verdragen heeft verklaard en ook tijdens de rechtszaak heeft bevestigd dat als de overheid niets doet, er uiteindelijk doden zullen vallen en de levens van vele Nederlanders drastisch beïnvloed zullen worden door klimaatverandering. En als dat het uitgangspunt is... ja dan moet de overheid natuurlijk alles doen om dat te voorkomen. Je kan niet eerst zeggen als we niks doen dat heeft dat ernstige effecten en vervolgens ook echt niks doen. Het grote probleem is dat dat uitgangspunt en die doemdenkerij überhaupt niet klopt. De Staat had makkelijk deze zaak kunnen winnen door heel simpel te zeggen; die klimaatvooruitzichten kloppen niet/zijn onzeker. De rechter mag niet in de politiek treden, maar mag wel op basis van de feiten waar de partijen vanuit gaan de volgende logische stap nemen; ALS het 100% zeker zou zijn dat klimaatverandering levens gaat kosten én de overheid dat kan voorkomen door X te doen, dan is NATUURLIJK de logische juridische stap om te zeggen dat de overheid X moet gaan doen. Dit ligt niet aan de rechtspraak, maar aan de politiek die Nederland heeft gebonden aan verdragen waarin de meest ongunstige en catastrofale klimaatvooruitgezichten worden bevestigd en die tijdens de rechtszaak ook gewoon glashard bijstaat. Als je A zegt moet je ook B zeggen en als je het niet met A eens bent moet je wijzen naar degene die A heeft gezegd (politiek) en niet degene die zegt dat als A waar is B moet volgen (rechter).
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  1432. +Sean Rea Just about every western state is built like that. The lower you get in the decentralisation, the closer you get to the people. Yet, in European countries (at least most) the government also is deeply connected with its citizens on a national level. Germany, for instance, even has states like the US with a very comparable position within Germany (quite autonomous). But that doesn't mean the national government is further away from the citizens. The only difference between national and local government is the type of subjects they get to make laws on, not how separated they are from the population. Strange part is that it's almost the opposite in Europe. People care a lot more about national politics than they do local. A lot more people vote in national elections than they do in local elections (myself included). A possible explanation could be that national issues are usually more important than local issues, so strangely I and many others actually feel more connected to national than local government. The national government should be every bit as connected to the citizens as local government should. ALL of the government should be. It's not normal that any segment of the government is as separated from its citizens as the US parliament. If US parliament would properly represent and care about the citizens, I'm sure that Americans would feel more connected with the government. But the reality is that they don't. Campaigning for the elections costs millions and on presidential level even billions at times. Where does this money come from? Corporations that fund individual members of the US parliament. And who can blame those members of parliament for lobbying (btw, 1/3 of all their time is spent on lobbying with corporations to ensure their seat in the next elections, wow)? How is one person going to get millions (just to be able to pay for his own campaign), not just once but every election? It's a horrible system. If you want to even have a chance at entering parliament, you need to lobby. Even Hillary Clinton, a millionaire herself, had to lobby hard to get the money just for one election campaign. Donald Trump, a billionaire, lobbied for funding of his campaign (though a lot less than anyone else would). This is what creates a government that is more worried about what their funders think than actual US citizens. They regard the interests of their own party and of their funders as more important than America itself. Democrats and Republicans constantly block eachother's propositions for this very reason. It's in America's interest for them to work together and create quality laws. Instead, either nothing happens because the other party blocks it or one party gets to push something through. Meanwhile in my country, the Netherlands, our previous government consisted of VVD (right wing liberals) and PvdA (left wing socialists) working together. They are complete opposites, like the Democrats and Republicans. They'd normally never work together. Yet, the Netherlands at the time had serious problems with the economic crisis. They were the two biggest parties and a coalition with many small parties would be too unstable for proper governance. So they put aside their differences and went in a coalition. It's what we call a "purple" cabinet (red and blue together) and happens rarely. They saw that the Netherlands needed a government ASAP so they both did HUGE concessions and in the end, both put away their party's interests in favour of Dutch interests. And indeed, one of those parties paid for it. The socialists weren't happy with the concessions, so they voted for other leftist parties en masse. The PvdA went from the second biggest party in the country to one of the smallest (3rd or 4th smallest of about 15 parties). That's the equivalent of the Democrats going from what they are now to the size of the Libertarian party or another one of those 2-3 seat parties in the US. It was dramatic for them after being a prominent party for decades. They committed political suicide to prevent the Netherlands from suffering unnecessarily under an ineffective government (the VVD got away with it somehow, I guess more forgiving voters). In the US they chose the ineffective government. That's one of the best examples of the difference in mentality.
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  1433. +Richard Marshall Sure, and you talk about "God-given rights", yet it's openly known that your government spies on civilians and you do nothing , what about your "God-given right" of privacy? It's openly known that lobbyists almost fully control politicians and their voting behaviour and you do nothing , what about your right to self determination (democracy)? A government that doesn't properly represent you can bind you by law and you tell me I'm being oppressed? Your police loves pulling the trigger real fast, meaning the government is actually killing civilians almost on a daily basis and you do nothing about it. The government can legally abduct Americans and put them in a torture camp if they suspect them of being involved in terrorism (without trial!) and you do nothing . That's the right to a fair trial and prohibition of torture straight up ignored. I find it quite funny how Americans always speak of owning weapons to defend themselves from a tyrannical government, because if I was American I'd have started defending my rights decades ago. It's crazy how much you accept from the government. It's not about it being big or small, it's about fighting for a proper government. I wish you had as much adoration for your fundamental rights as you espouse your precious firearms. And if the voters in my country would suddenly want firearms for whatever reason, it's done. Politics here actually represent the people. Just last elections, two new parties entered parliament and one of them is already projected to become one of the biggest next elections. All you need is 30k signatures and you're in the race. And unlike in the US, where one has to turn to big companies to fund their multi-million or even billion-dollar campaign, here everyone gets the same amount of money and equal time on television. If the voters want weapons, they get it. If you want something from politicians, he has to wonder whether his sugar daddy will still pay for his next campaign or if it's game over for his political career. New party? No money for the campaign. What you don't understand is that the status quo in Europe is the result of civilians constantly standing up to government. All the way from the time of kings to the early days of parliaments. Revolution after revolution introduced new ideas of how government should be and every time the government fell. America prefers to stay the same, for better or worse. You're one of the newest countries, yet you have the second or third oldest constitution in the world. You missed a few revolutions, you never challenged the government, not even once. Stuck in 1776. If Europeans were living under the US government, a revolution would have already started today. What your government does is unacceptable
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  1441.  @konya17  Dat betekent dat Mohamed zelf geen moslim was. Hij vocht regelmatig en verspreidde het geloof mede dmv oorlog. Nu ga je me waarschijnlijk vertellen dat al het geweld dat de profeet toepaste rechtvaardig was en een reactie op aanvallen van de vijand. En daarop zeg ik dat terroristen denken dat hun geweld rechtvaardig is en als reactie te zien is op westerse oorlogen in het midden oosten, net als oorlogen die voorheen in naam der islam zijn gevoerd. Er is nul komma nul te vinden over kruistochten in het nieuwe testament van de bijbel, of welk soort oorlog dan ook. Tóch waren de kruisvaarders christenen die in de naam van god oorlog voerden. En ja de kruistochten waren christelijk. Wat in de bijbel/koran staat maakt het niet los van de religieuze context. Nog erger zijn de mormonen in de VS. Zij bedachten zelf een complete extra profeet en geschrift bij het christendom om Amerika het middelpunt van de religie te maken. Duidelijk een verbastering van het christendom, maar TOCH een stroming van het christendom. Een stroming die door alle andere christenen als fout wordt gezien, maar desalniettemin een stroming van het christendom. Jij bepaalt niet hoe anderen invulling geven aan hun islamitische geloof, noch kunnen anderen bepalen hoe jij dat doet. Jij hebt jouw interpretatie, zij hebben die van hun. Islam is een religie met vele interpretaties. En je zal moeten leren leven met het feit dat sommige interpretaties niet verenigbaar zullen zijn met die van jou. TOCH zijn dat moslims. En daar kun jij niks aan veranderen. Zij geloven oprecht in de islam, maar lezen de geschriften anders. Misschien neemt de een alles letterlijk, misschien leest de ander meer tussen de regels, misschien ziet weer een ander zelfs de gehele koran als symbolisch. Het zijn allemaal mogelijke manieren om hetzelfde boek te lezen. En geen van deze interpretaties kan objectief als "correct" worden bestempeld. En allemaal zijn ze even valide in hun geloof.
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  1504. +jj deg It is you that is the moron. This "behaviour" of mine didn't start becoming popular until they actually started being a problematic group . Where is this "behaviour" towards black people in Europe? Virtually non-existant compared to the anti-muslim sentiment. Where is it towards Asians? Again virtually non-existant. We tried hard to integrate them but they simply refused. And as they refused, the Dutch society became more and more frustrated with them and only THEN did the stigmatisation actually start. There is no stigmatisation towards those that wilfully integrated, regardless of skin colour or ethnicity and that includes Moroccans/Turks/whatever that did deign to integrate; we love them. This is about the group that wilfully secludes themselves, raise their children to be different from Dutch children, etc. etc. As I said, they and they alone are foreigners BY CHOICE. You apparently want to solve a serious problem by never even speaking about it (because that is "stigmatisation") and letting it worsen. Do you have any idea how much worse it would be today if we never named the problem and acted on it? Just so you know: most European governments already gave up on multiculturalism long ago and instead focus on assimilation into the culture now. We recognised the issues that come with multiple cultures living separately, so instead we try to assimilate all migrants into our own culture. If it were up to you we'd have never even spoken about those issues, let alone acted on it. If it were up to you, we'd be living in an even worse society right now with far less migrants that assimilated and even more tensions between cultures. You'd make a horrible politician
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  1508.  @EpicMRPancake  Saudi Arabia was made into what it is today by the Americans, literally from day one. They have supported the Saudis since the very beginning and collaborated to extract oil. America's foreing policy is NOT based on "spreading democracy". It has enacted more coup d'etats that ended in installing US-friendly dictators than it expelled dictators in favour of democracy. US foreign policy is based on keeping the petrodollar alive (which essentially means the dollar will always be strong currency, which makes the US economy very easy to maintain). If you didn't know, countries across the globe are more or less forced to buy oil with dollars. This keeps demand for dollars perpetually high. This means that the US central bank can get away with printing dollars to a great degree without heavy inflation. The US sometimes even prints free money for their allies in the EU, Japan, etc. After the 2008 crisis the US federal reserve essentially printed money and gave it out through so-called swap lines to the EU and other allies. So you make sure your allies in this petrodollar scheme also benefit every so often. But the petrodollar also means that once the demand for the dollar collapses, the US economy is in for a wild ride as the dollar collapses with the demand. Countries that don't comply with this petrodollar idea and sell their oil for other currency are Russia (rubles), Iran (euros), pre-invasion Syria (euros, I think), pre-invasion Iraq (euros), China (yuan) and pre-invasion Libya (wanted to create a new African currency). If enough countries ditch the petrodollar idea, demand for the dollar will collapse and the US economy would be in serious trouble. Up until now, every country that opposed the petrodollar has either been outright invaded or bombarded with economic and political sanctions. Saudi Arabia is not a target for regime change because they're a US ally in this, simple as that. They're an important ally in the petrodollar scheme and are a huge Western arms buyer. After Kashoggi, the EU decided to not sell any more arms to Saudi Arabia. That means they've given up billions upon billions of euros based on principle. The US not only won't do this, but they'll actively overthrow otherwise stable countries purely for their own political interests. Toppling Gaddafi was "necessary" to protect both the petrodollar and French monetary interests in Africa (the francophone African countries use a French currency), because he wanted to sell oil for another currency and wanted to create a pan-African currency for African economic independence.
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  1522.  @optimchs  I believe that too, but as I said before we believe that for one reason only: hundreds of years ago we made up this concept of an equal intrinsic value in humans that today is at the centre of our morality. I love this idea, but we all have to face the fact that it's a fluke and not a "fact". We made it up. By the same token we could have made up that all life on earth has intrinsic value (something I'm a proponent of by the way), but we didn't so we've created a society that destroys nature and kills animals at a huge scale just for economic gain. We think this is "good" anyway because of our human-centric morality. We could have made up that those who contribute more to the wellbeing of society are also more worth as humans. You name it. And you can't argue against any of these forms of morality. Slavery was normal and even morally correct for many years until the concept of equal human worth was created. There is no central uniform "correct" morality. It all depends on what you base your morality; keeping human suffering to a minimum? If so, is it okay to make some humans suffer for the greater good of society or not? Or perhaps morality based on a broader sense of ecological balance in nature, which includes not only the wellbeing of humans but also those of animals? What is "good"? It's subjective, this is the harsh truth of reality. I think we in the West have one of the best moral systems on the planet today, but it's not the only "correct" one. It's just the one we've developed more or less by chance throughout our history. Every time an event of great suffering occurred, we invented or expanded upon a moral rule to prevent it from happening again. I already explained where the idea of equal human worth came from. Another example of our morality changing is WW2, after which we drastically cranked up the value of human rights as a part of our morality, as well as the idea that diplomacy should always precede war. Before that, especially before WW1, war was considered normal and honourable to participate in and human rights barely existed.
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  1528. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to attack even a relatively small nation with a modern and well-trained military? The threat of S-400's alone is enough to make Russia extremely difficult to approach, without even considering their air force or their massive war industry that could pump out Su-57s in great number if needed. Basic military strategy rule is that about you need to outnumber your enemy about 3 to 1 to ensure succes when you are attacking an entreched position. Invading in modern times is hard and the invader always has a massive disadvantage. Supply lines are problematic too. You are also forgetting that if a war starts, it is not fought with whatever military equipment the nations have now (unless it's a succesful flash invasion, which is not a realistic option here). It is fought with what the war industry of both nations can put out in terms of tanks, airplanes, etc. and the population pool that can be conscripted into the military. Russia has the technology to pump out tanks that are better than the Abrams and airplanes that are equal to the F-22 Raptor in massive numbers, should they be invaded. And this constant stream of extra equipment will not stop until you reach the industry itself and shut it down. The US doesn't have the proper supply lines or geographical position to invade Russia. However if you would take the EU and its possible industrial output (it dwarfs Russia) combined with its high population pool and very close geographical position to Russia, the EU alone could probably take Russia down in a years long conflict in which the EU war industry pumps out several times the tanks, planes, etc. and conscripts 5 times the soldiers as Russia can. Russia could in this scenario only win if they'd defeat the EU early, with the current military numbers. But as time goes by they will get hopelessly outnumbered simply because of the industry differences and population pool. Adding the US to the EU and allowing the US to use EU infrastructure would end Russia 100%. NATO is insanely powerful. But also with hundreds of thousands of deaths, maybe millions. Anyway, taking down Russia would be a huge operation that requires the full might of the NATO war industry before even trying. The US could take Russia going by pure industry and population pool numbers, but the US by itself lacks the supply lines to do it believably.
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  1538.  BARBATVS 89  If it was in decline already, then closing down philosophy schools, murdering anyone who was a dissident (including other christians), burning books and destroying art surely didn't help.... probably accelerated it, if not outright caused the decline. And about the christian persecution, ancient Rome had freedom of religion with many religions existing among one another, including other pagan religions and judaism. Then the Christians came and while initially they were free like the others, eventually they got persecuted because there were incidents of christians destroying art and disrespecting the other religions. It started with light persecution, but got worse and worse as the conflict got out of hand, ending with christians being murdered freely. And about paganism, I'm talking about European paganism specifically. Not all paganism is the same. In Europe, nature was at the centre of spirituality so good care was taken for it. Old trees and elaborate groves were holy. The idea of taking care for the earth in order to pass it on to the next generation is a very distinctly pagan idea. You reading this into a vague biblical passage that completely is not about this is just an example of how deeply pagan values have intruded christianity by now. This happens a lot and by now it's very difficult to see which values originate from paganism and christianity. Your version of christianity too. Whether you like it or not. Christianity has been too distorted, it's no longer pure, it hasn't been for hundreds of years now. It's a mixture of pagan and christian values. According to the bible all on earth exists purely for humans to use as tools. This is an important factor in how we as societies expanded and got to this highly developed state, with its wealth but also pollution (one of the good elements of christianity, or bad depending on how you view modern society). According to European paganism we humans are subjected to nature and need to respect it. A good example of the christian versus pagan mindset is how we dealt with wolves in Europe. Pagans saw them as part of nature just as they themselves. Christians practically genocided wolves because they were an inconvenience and they almost disappeared out of Europe. To Christians only humans matter and all else exists to serve us; it was all given to us by god to use for ourselves, as the bible states. Pagans value nature as a whole, with not only humans but also other organisms. Natural balance is important to pagans, so they'd never do something like completely eradicate a species because they don't like it. Reduce it, yes, but not eradicate and certainly not purposefully.
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  1554.  Thomas vanDyke  Wij ZIJN een Europese familie. Dat is geen idealisme maar een feit. Ik bedoel niet Europese familie in de zin van letterlijke eenheid, maar in de zin van de Europese familie van culturen en beschavingen. Daar hoort Rusland historisch gezien bij en was ook volwaardig lid tot aan hun omwenteling tot communisten, waardoor wij lange tijd gescheiden zijn geweest. Het is tijd om die relatie met Rusland weer te herstellen. Dat oud zeer heerst omtrent de wereldoorlogen is nonsens. Hoogstens heerst er (vooral binnen de politieke elite) nog vijandigheid jegens Rusland vanwege de Koude Oorlog, maar de wereldoorlogen zijn geen factor meer. Niemand haat Duitsers nog voor wat er 100 jaar geleden is gebeurd, ben ik nog nooit tegengekomen. De EU is opgericht met het doel om Europa weer op de geopolitieke kaart te zetten en dat is deels gelukt. Wij staan hoger in de ranglijst van diplomatieke/politieke invloed/macht dan zelfs Amerika. Economisch zijn wij de tweede of derde grootste markt van de wereld. Militair lopen we achter maar we hebben het geld om er in te investeren. De EU heeft veel problemen, vooral gebrek aan democratische legitimiteit en een slecht functionerende top (landen kunnen het maar niet eens worden over bijvoorbeeld migratie), maar samenwerking is onze beste kans om tegen de door jou genoemde dreigingen op te kunnen. Dat hoeft niet per se in de vorm van een Europese Unie, maar in ieder geval moet er samenwerking zijn om de belangen van Europa internationaal te beschermen. Opsplitsen is geen optie tenzij we geopolitieke zelfmoord willen plegen.
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  1577. +Claudia Trumpsta Dat is een keuze die elke nieuwszender zal moeten maken. Fox news is eerlijkgezegd de meest walgelijke propagandazender die ik ooit heb gezien, erger zelfs dan CNN. En ik vind CNN al vreselijk. Dan sta je voor de moeilijke keuze of je alleen het verhaal van CNN uitzendt (duidelijke bevooroordeeld) of ook het verhaal van een regelrechte propagandazender. Het is kiezen tussen twee kwaden. Je miskent overigens dat als de NOS alleen het verhaal van CNN uitzendt, je nog steeds kritisch naar het verhaal kan kijken. Ik heb geen onzin van Fox news nodig om de onzin van CNN te ontmaskeren. Als NOS de bron vermeldt, dan kan ik zelf over het algemeen beoordelen of het geloofwaardig is of niet. Ik ben zelf zelfs van mening dat het uitzenden van Fox news het alleen maar erger maakt, ze verdienen geen aandacht tot ze een beetje normaal nieuws uitzenden. Ik kijk zo nu en dan naar Fox news en het is werkelijk afgrijselijk Bijvoorbeeld: als de NOS een video van de witte helmen in Syrië laat zien dan weet ik dat de bron mogelijk rebellen zijn die de Syrische overheid ergens van willen beschuldigen. Dan hoef ik geen propagandavideo te zien van Russia Today die koortsachtig probeert te "bewijzen" dat het niet waar is, terwijl eigenlijk niemand weet of die video echt is of niet. Dat voegt helemaal niks toe en je geeft propaganda een platform. Als je kritisch naar de meer neutrale nieuwszenders kijkt, dan kun je over het algemeen de waarheid wel achterhalen, of in ieder geval herkennen wat twijfelachtige bronnen zijn.
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  1578. +Claudia Trumpsta Het boeit me eerlijkgezegd helemaal niks hoeveel mensen naar Fox kijken. Wat mij betreft krijgt CNN ook veel meer kijkers dan ze verdienen, en dat betekent niet dat ze opeens de waarheid spreken. In de USA bestaat iets wat men nieuwszenders noemt met privaat eigenaarschap, betekenend dat die zender dezelfde politieke opvattingen heeft (of in ieder geval beïnvloed wordt door) zijn eigenaar. CNN is overduidelijk links en Fox news is overduidelijk rechts. Geen van beide kunnen vertrouwd worden . Het medialandschap in Amerika zaait niets dan verdeling, het is ronduit bizar hoe verschillend CNN en Fox het nieuws presenteren, alsof ze letterlijk in een andere wereld leven. Nee dat is niet "concurrentie", dat is het verdraaien van de waarheid. Er hoort geen tweestrijd te zijn tussen nieuwszenders omdat er maar één waarheid is en één neutrale manier om die te verkondigen. Het enige verschil tussen zenders in Europa is de manier van rapporteren en de keuze tussen bronnen en welke verhalen nieuwswaardig zijn of niet (bijvoorbeeld de keuze van de Belgische zender om Fox news als bron te gebruiken en de keuze van de NOS dit niet te doen). De zenders in Europa zijn allemaal collega's omdat mensen die naar de echte waarheid zoeken allemaal hetzelfde doel hebben . Als verslaggevers geen collega's zijn moet er een belletje gaan rinkelen; één of zelfs beiden verdraaien de waarheid tot op het punt dat hun "waarheden" niet meer met elkaar overeenstemmen. Er is maar één persoon hier die ervan houdt om voorgelogen te worden en dat ben jij als kijker van een zender dat de waarheid verdraait en de waarheid door een rechts filter giet voor het wordt uitgezonden. Fox news is net zo erg als Russia Today. Er hoort geen rechts of links kanaal te zijn, alleen neutrale zenders. De NOS is een doorgeefluik van informatie, Fox news en CNN creëren hun eigen links/rechtse verhaal. Soms zijn de keuzes van de NOS inderdaad niet perfect als het gaat om bronnen/verhalen, maar uiteindelijk doen ze niet aan het aanpassen van verhalen om in een links/rechts straatje te passen zoals Amerikaanse zenders dat doen.
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  1593. Trump has not yet done anything meaningful to change the economy. He only recently got the tax reforms, of which the effect on the economy is not yet felt. He promised an infrastructure overhaul, which is probably the most interesting of his plans, but he has yet to implement that one. The current growth already happened under Obama and continued under Trump. Why? Because it's the end of the economic crisis that caused the growth, no specific government policy. And even if it was government policy that created it, it was Obama's policy during the crisis and not Trump. The latter's effect on the economy will be felt in the future And you can say we should agree to disagree, but some things can't be disagreed upon. Active policy to battle poverty is factually better than giving corporations free money and sitting back while hoping they create more jobs. Will corporations suddenly start employing homeless and unschooled people if they have to pay less taxes? No, of course not. The republicans have a downright idiotic idea of how poverty can be solved. Corporations can grow tenfold and have a million vacancies, but the people in this video are not going to be able to fill them. It's fundamentally flawed logic that even a child can figure out. But I guess that child doesn't receive millions in donations from those same corporations, like US politicians do... It's a plain fact that active policy to improve schooling, living conditions and whatnot will lay a proper foundation for the future of such neighbourhoods, so that they produce capable workers that can fill vacancies of big corporations. In truth, both tax-funded active policy AND stimulating corporations is the solution. You just have to find the proper balance between the two. Either one on their own is futile, especially the stimulating of corporations while ignoring the poor. Both the democrats and republicans are utterly incapable of running the US
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  1599.  @liekevdpoel  As a voter, you can change the party by NOT voting for them and forcing the Dem party to actually try to get the support of voters rather than sitting back, pushing forward whoever they like (Hillary, Biden) and bullying the voters into getting them into office by saying "or else the other guy wins". Something has to change and that change is created by showing the Dems that they CAN'T get away with this anymore and will lose if they ignore the voters any longer. You show this to them by NOT voting for Biden, but instead f.e. the Green party or not at all. Some might even go as far as voting for Trump. The first past the post system will never change, because for that I believe a constitutional amendment is needed and you'll need the approval of all states for that. Not going to happen, ever. Because as you said, Reps don't want it. So the best bet is to change the Dem party. Politicians like AOC try to change it from within, but voters (who can't do that) need to also help by showing a clear preference for change and consistently refusing to get bullied into voting for the Dems when they push forward a terrible candidate. The problem is that they think they can get away with it. So prove them wrong. I hoped the election of Trump would be enough to wake them up, but it wasn't. They need another shock. Trump is a uniquely screwed up president but at the same time a unique opportunity to change politics. Voting for Biden in this context means going back to neoliberal supremacy and confirming the power of the Dem establishment. If Biden loses, there is an actual chance, for the first time is many decades, that neoliberalism is fiercely rejected and the Dems react by moving more towards figures like AOC and Bernie to try and reconnect with voters. But.... it requires living 4 more years under a stark nationalist. It's a difficult decision, but I think going for the long term change is the correct choice here.
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  1605. What a poor review. If you think the game tried to make to "like" Abby you have its goals all wrong. It really just tries to deconstruct Ellie's vision of Abby as this evil monster and show her perspective. Nobody except a bunch of morons are going to like Abby just because she pets a dog that is later killed by Ellie in self-defence. In this regard you're also completely wrong about the game apparently portraying Ellie as "evil" for killing the dog? I honestly don't get where you'd get that from. You're stuck in some kind of "they're trying to manipulate me" pattern of thought that skewed your view of the story. This is not a cheap story that tries to make you like Abby. It's a story about revenge, a story that deconstructs the strawman vision that Ellie (and the player) has built up around Abby and shows how her insistence on revenge is destroying Ellie and various lives around her. It is a story that is made to pull you out of your lust for revenge and make you realise how Ellie needs to stop. It shows the pointlessness of revenge and how it is all based on a one-sided and one-dimensional view of this boogeyman that needs to die, but ultimately never actually helps you with your trauma. It's not an "ellie bad, abby good" game, nor a "you were the bad guy all along" trope. That's a blatant oversimplification that just shows you don't understand what this game is about. By the end of the game I didn't think "abby good", I just abandoned my previous constructed view of Abby as this uniformly terrible person and recognised her humanity. You're not supposed to like Abby, she's portrayed as a piece of shit right up until she loses all her friends and goes through a character arc. Afterwards she's still not portrayed as particularly good, but neutral/okay at best. And Ellie is portrayed as better than her from beginning to end. They essentially went through the same revenge arc, yet Ellie at all times was less brutal and more empathetic, plus killed out of self-defence mostly. This game is not about good or bad, it is about perspective. Not about shifting your perspective from Ellie's to Abby's either, but about showing you both, so that you as the player can see the consequences of being stuck in a vengeful mindset. Meanwhile you portray the story as some cheap method to make Ellie look bad and Abby look good or something, which misses the point entirely and isn't even true to begin with. You basically ignored the complete theme of the story, which is pretty impressive when trying to review a game. If you thought Abby was a monster from the beginning right to the end of this story, the game failed to pull you out of your vengeful mindset and you remain guided by what happened to Joel, instead of seeing the full picture. In this case, the point of the story goes over your head and it remains a dreadful experience from beginning to end. Wanting revenge but never getting it. If the story succesfully brought you along in the multi-perspective angle, you're supposed to detach yourself from both characters and see how this revenge cycle is destroying both of them, simply wanting them to stop. From my experience with the story, Ellie ultimately not killing Abby was very satisfying, because I deeply wanted her to abandon this fairytale idea of somehow alleviating her trauma through revenge and recognise how it was doing nothing other than damage to her life. To me, it was a sign that she finally was ready to let go and move on to better times. Inversely, if you keep stuck in Ellie's point of view from beginning to end, you might have badly wanted Abby to die and Ellie's decision not to is completely alien to you. Jarring, even. If you go into the story thinking they'll just try to "trick you into liking Abby", obviously you're going to keep your grudges throughout the story and the game will fail to get you along with the purpose of its story. And the result is that the story will be nothing other than jarring for you. You need to be willing to detach yourself from Ellie in order to fully appreciate the story or even understand it to begin with. But hey, keep believing this is a "Abby likes doggie, Ellie kills doggie, now you must like Abby" kind of story.
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  1620. +Wayne Cox Are you comparing America with a repressive Communist regime to make it look better, or... ? China doesn't even allow games about war to show historical factions. If you have a WW2 game, all nations and all markings on planes, etc. would have to be censored. This sort of things can be expected from a communist regime, but not from a country that claims to be Western, like the USA. It's pure propaganda to only show America in a positive light and keeps the population dumb and patriotic. And there are other such strange practices in America. The sheer amount of flags you see flying around there is crazy. The fact that in school, children have to stand up to the flag and sing the anthem. That refusing to put your hand on your heart during the playing of the anthem can get you into trouble. The way Americans idolise the founding fathers and other historical figures from the US. How you're taught to love your country there almost gets to the point of indoctrination. It's really no wonder that a lot of Americans refuse to watch films that counter their chauvinistic view of their country. The fact that the ideology of "American exceptionalism" exists, portrays just how far this indoctrination can go. Thinking your country is "unique" and has a "special place in history" is just... repulsive and laughable at best. The arrogance and brainless patriotism of some people is astounding. We all know what happens when you pamper a child and plant the idea that he's unique in his mind; he becomes an unfathomably cocky brat. Why would that cocky brat want to watch a film that portrays how he's not unique and that other perspectives exist in which he doesn't have the spotlight, or is even regarded negatively? Wouldn't be able to stomach it.
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  1621. +Wayne Cox Now where did I state America is the only country that does this? I didn't. I just pointed out that the role that patriotism has in the US has a negative effect on filmmaking and expressed my disgust for such chauvinism. There's several other countries that do this, mostly non-western. However, saying all countries "do pretty much the same" is ridiculous. America goes VERY far in its patriotism. I honestly don't think any other country is so full of itself that part of its population truly believe that their country is completely unique, has a special place in history and has a special mission to spread democracy over the world (American exceptionalism). Not even Nazi Germany went that far in praising their country. You shouldn't compare what can't be compared. China is a repressive communist regime and the US is supposed to be a free Western state. Of course China's Communist party is going to censor certain things that portray them or the country negatively, of course a communist regime is going to make sure its population is heavily patriotic. But a Western country with a population so patriotic that the film industry is forced to alter historic films to avoid shedding negative light on their country is abnormal. And you're sure that other countries will enjoy being antagonists in films, with America as saviour? Let's look at the box office of this very film, then. France is not only the antagonist, but it's the British that is the protagonist (surely that'd be worse for them than America being the saviour?). Well... France produced the 5th biggest international profit. It was a hit there. Why wouldn't it be? As long as they're not close-minded and arrogant chauvinists, what would stop them from enjoying this film?
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  1622. +LordVader1094 Except he's right. America is very connected to its history and extraordinarily patriotic. You see this in everything from the extreme display of flags and actual belief they're the "best country of the world" to their strong love for guns (which is of course only explicable when looking at their history; the armed revolt against colonial rule as well as the important role guns had in society afterwards in the Wild West era). And I haven't mentioned the almost holy importance they instill on the constitution and the "God given rights" within it. Whether you like it or not, Doug Spencer gave a very accurate description of why Americans can't seem to stomach films in which they're the antagonist. In plain language, they're full of themselves and can only accept films that don't scorch their valuable self-image as the exceptional, brave heroes of the world. It's the country where people respond with great dismay to someone forgetting or refusing to place his hand on his chest during the anthem. Where people truly believe they're the best country in the world. Where people still believe owning firearms will protect them against a tyrannical government because their holy founding fathers said so, even though this idea has been outdated since the 1940s. Where it seems almost mandatory to greet every soldier with a "thank you for your service" or another praise. It all fits Doug Spencer's description. I've been to America a few times (New York/Washington area) as I have family living in Maryland and it's quite a beautiful country. The people are intriguing, drastically different form here in Europe. It was the first time in my life I heard a real life person say their country is the best country in the world :D
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  1627. We have more and better rights than you under the European Convention of Human Rights and more (privacy much better protected, right to a fair trial much better protected, no "exceptions" to the right to live as there is in America, and many other things). We don't have a 2nd amendment but all across Europe you can buy guns, the only difference is that you need a licence (which you get if you're 18+, mentally stable and acquire some experience in a shooting range, or if you study to become a hunter). Most farmers have rifles here too, for example, but guns aren't popular amongst people who don;t need them for anything. Your income tax rate is low (and income itself high), but in terms of wealth you stand low compared to other western countries. So a lot of the western world is richer anyway at the end of the day (high bills in America?). I live in a European country with privatised health care, so there's that. And a socialised health care system isn't by definition slow. That the one in Canada has that particular problem doesn't mean elsewhere in the world this problem isn't fixed. But I don't know enough about the waiting times to actually compare them with the US. And you ARE flooded by refugees. More than Europe, in fact. 11 million illegals and counting, with the government being clueless on where they are and are incompetent in stopping them from coming (best "solution" yet, build a wall and have Mexico pay lol). That on a population of 300 million. In the EU, 2.5 million refugees came on a population of 500 million, and ALL of those have given finger prints and have been photographed upon arrival so they're in our system. Unlike the US, we know who they are and also where they live (we obviously provided that for them so we'd know). Moreover, the refugee stream from the ME has already been stopped by the EU with the Turkey deal. The EU stopped it within months, the US... like 20 years and counting lol
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  1668.  @LibertarianLeninistRants  What you seem to be doing here is redefining socialism in such a way that any socialist state that ever existed doesn't even fall under that definition. There is no democratic control by the workers over the means of production in any socialist system. It has always been the dictatorial central government, in the form of a communist party, setting up a planned economy. Furthermore, there always will be classes and hierarchy, you can only stop them from exploiting one another, as socialism attempts to do. In socialist states, you still had government officials contributing to the planned economy, you still had factory managers, you still had workers. And the former got paid more than the latter for their work. In that sense you still had upper and lower classes. The difference is that the upper class using their property of the means of production to exploit the working class and live off others' work was not possible under socialism; the classes worked together for a common goal and the means of production was collectively owned. You got paid for your actual work, not merely for owning the means of production. The manager still got paid more than the worker for his work. Comparing that to National Socialism, you see striking similarities. Hitler hated the exploitation by corporations under capitalism, yet he also hated the universalist/egalitarian aspects of traditional socialism. National Socialism creates a system in which a dictatorial government, the NSDAP, creates a planned economy which takes control of the means of production to ensure they are used to the benefit of the German race (claiming this must be an economical category like the workers class seems arbitrary to me: the point of socialism is to stop the class struggle by having everyone work for a common goal). Farmers and factories get paid a fixed price for what they produce, exactly like under socialism. Managers and workers alike work for a common goal instead of exploiting one another in a class struggle, just like under socialism. The only difference in this regard might be the relationship between the factory "owners" and the workers. I'm unsure whether the wages in NS Germany were also fixed, in which case there would de facto again be no difference between traditional socialism and National Socialism, but if the factory managers (who were often government officials taking the place of the actual owner, but let's ignore that) could themselves decide the wages of the workers and how much they themselves would get, that'd be a clear difference. NS may seem like capitalism on the surface, but it really wasn't. Under traditional socialism the means of production would be nationalised, while under NS private property was still allowed. However, the owners of a factory were bound by the planned economy and were dictated how to use the means of production they owned. In practice, instead of outright taking control of factories themselves, the government simply "outsourced" their management, if you will (and a lot of the time even sent actual government officials to manage factories that were de jure still owned by private entities). The outcome is the same: government control of the means of production and prevention of class exploitation. The main difference between NS and traditional socialism is who takes control of the means of production (workers class vs a race or nation in fascism) and how the planned economy is organised (but to the same result). So yes there are some significant differences between the two systems, but mainly theoretical differences laid in the attitude towards nations and races. So I don't see why NS could not be called its own separate version of socialism.
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  1669.  @LibertarianLeninistRants  1. Regarding class and exploitation: what we say is the same. I wanted to say that class exploitation in capitalism is laid in the fact that the upper class not only manages the working class, but also owns the means of production. It's the owning of the means of production that causes class exploitation and solving this problem is the core of socialism. What you described here is exactly what I meant with the upper class being able to live off others' work if they were allowed to own the means of production, we absolutely agree on that. What I tried to say is that there is no such thing as a classless society. There will always be a hierarchy between more skilled/intelligent people that will occupy higher positions with more power (the upper class) and regular workers. And you might call the top members of the communist party the elite. What socialism does is in practice not abolish classes altogether, but to stop them from exploiting eachother. That was my point. The common goal is to organise an economy that serves the greater good of society, instead of merely a certain class or an elite. For National Socialism this was the same, but instead of all of society, they organised the economy only to serve the German race (which they eventually wanted to be the whole society anyway, by removing other races). 2. Regarding class collaboration/struggle, thank you for pointing out the difference. I was describing the practical reality in socialist states instead of their theoretical ambitions. And I think I see why the practice didn't correspond with the theoretical background: as I said before, a classless society is not possible in an developed and organised society (it would be in f.e. an anarchy or communist society, but not in a socialist state). If you have a government guiding the economy and if you have factories that need leadership to properly function, you have an upper and lower class. Hierarchies are not social constructs, they are facts of nature. You have more skilled/intelligent people and less skilled/intelligent people. The former will be placed in more important government positions and will be put at the helm of a factory with workers under him/her. The latter will be the workers. The former will always wield more power and have more influence than the latter. It is an inevitable matter of fact that you will always retain a certain degree of class distinctions. But practice aside and into the theoretical sphere, I think you pointed out one of the main differences between traditional socialism and NS/fascism. Whereas socialism seeks to create a classless society and rejects the idea of a social hierarchy, NS/fascism embraces the hierarchy and sees it as a central element of what makes for an effectively organised society. Or as I said earlier, Hitler hated the exploitative elements of capitalism (same as socialism), but he also hated the egalitarian elements of socialism. This may have been a more important statement than I initially thought. In theory, socialists want to move towards a fully classless egalitarian society, while NS/fascists absolutely do not. Regarding the difference between the working class and race, de facto they lead to the same situation: the economy is reorganised to serve the "common man" instead of a particular class and exploitation is stopped (and this reorganisation is done largely in the same way to boot). But I do agree that the theoretical element is significantly different. That again ties into the aforementioned class collaboration vs classlessness. 3. for the sake of brevity I will briefly respond to point 2 and 3 made here. Regarding point 2, my argument is that socialism has as a goal to enter into a classless society where there is no exploitation and the economy is organised in such a way to benefit the whole of society more or less equally and fairly. NS/fascism is the same, except you switch classlessness out for class collaboration and the whole of society is either a race (NS) or the whole of a nation (fascism). Therefore I'd say the three are very closely related, albeit also fundamentally different in other ways. Regarding point 3, there never was any democratic element to any socialist state to date, as far as I know. Workers never had direct say in their wages and whatnot, it was always a central government communist party doing what it saw as fair for everyone, without actual democratic legitimacy. Actual socialist states were like that and so was National Socialism. To conclude, I think we see two systems that are remarkably similar in many ways, but fundamentally differ particularly in the area of egalitarianism vs hierarchies. I can see why some people call both socialism, but at the same time I can see why others say they're just different enough to warrant separating them altogether. For me it's a grey area at this point.
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  1673.  M33ble  That is simply not true, dental check ups are not "hundreds of pounds" in the UK. I checked the NHS site just to be sure and it's 22 pounds for a visit. So again, imagine paying double what you do now for the NHS and when going for a simple dental check up still paying hundreds of pounds because the coverage you pay for is shite and you still have to pay a considerable amount of your treatment out of your own pocket. I'm not saying the UK system is perfect, I'm saying it's vastly superior to the American system, under which hundreds of thousands go bankrupt, tens of thousands die because they don't have healthcare and many choose to not buy medicine for illnesses like diabetus because insuline is so expensive. It's not even a contest. Hospitals in the UK are overburdened, true, but that is not an inherent result of the NHS. It can be fixed by investing in the healthcare system. And after an investment that'd fix the problems I doubt you'd be paying literally double you do now, so in the end a 100% fixed NHS would still be cheaper than US healthcare. They pay 17% of their GDP on healthcare, the UK 8%. Ramp it up to 10%, invest more in the NHS and resolve its problems, done. Nobody is stopping you from fixing these issues but yourselves. Rich people and corporations go hand in hand. (Very) rich people use their corporations to funnel money into tax havens and then straight into their own pockets. For some reason this is still legal. Hell, my own grandfather had a small business and even he had a foreign bank account just for one million euros. It's more popular than you think and not only done by the exorbitantly rich.
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  1675.  M33ble  The UK spends 8% of its GDP on healthcare, the US 17%. From which taxes or insurance that money is sourced is absolutely irrelevant. Paying for other people's healthcare? Mate, what the hell do you think an insurance company does with your premiums? It pays the part of your and others' care that it covers with that shared money, plus takes a significant part of it for corporate profit. It's the exact same, plus worse. And you'd gladly pay double? Well, pay twice as much taxes to the NHS then and watch as they throw money at you like it's nothing. No matter how you spin it, the NHS as a system is vastly superior. Any problems you are experiencing with it are because of its funding, not because of the system itself. A well funded public healthcare system is always superior to the present situation in America. If you underfund the NHS, of course there are going to be shortcomings. But even though you spend half of what the US spends, the care the NHS provides as of right now still is arguably better than what the US gets. The coverage is certainly better, in any case. Insofar the quality doesn't equal the US, the answer is spending more. Whatever you choose to spend, you get more value for your money than the US gets. That is the main point. The system is superior; it produces better value for the money you put into it. If the Americans would spend HALF of what they do now, watch their system collapse. If you spend the same as what the US spends (being TWICE what you spend now), watch as the NHS provides services the US could only hope for. No matter the situation, the system fundamentally is superior to the US system. Canada is a great example too. Their system is objectively superior to the US, but they structurally underfund it, meaning the actual care you get out of it is arguably worse. The Canadians chose to keep spending the same from the 1970's onwards while their system clearly needs more spending. They also sit at about half the spending of the US. Now they have long waiting lines and other issues. They have a superior system in their hands, but chose to underfund it. That's their choice. Not a fault of the system. Corporations in the US easily raise prices as the market demands it, but in a public system the government will need to raise taxes to properly fund healthcare if the market demands higher prices. Sometimes that funding stays behind as the government decides to cut taxes or leave them as they are. It's stupid to blame the system for underfunding. You're essentially whining that while paying half, you don't get exactly equal treatment as in the US, therefore you want the US system. It's an illogical argument.
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  1689.  @TheImperatorKnight  Your response seems to be targeting collectivist libertarian socialism and anarchism. I understand why you see no reason to distinguish between the 'public' in the sense of the state and the 'public' in the sense of for example a commune. Both are collectivist in nature, after all. Wouldn't entirely agree with the term 'totalitarian', but those are semantics. However, the real issue I have with your argument is that libertarian socialism doesn't require collectivised property, as you seem to imply. There is also individualist anarchism and left-libertarianism. These forms of libertarian socialism often espouse not public, but mutual ownership. The easiest example would probably be libertarian market socialism, in which (for example) worker cooperatives compete in a free market. This is socialism because the means of production are owned by workers. Essentially everyone who contributes to a company, shares in its profits (not necessarily equally by the way). Not the public, ONLY those that directly contribute to the company. This also means that capitalism cannot exist, because for someone to gain (partial) ownership of a business means they must be an active partner in it. Not just give money as a one-off and then enjoy the fruits of ownership permanently, even passively if they like. Capital investments can still exist in this market, but they can only be a service for which the company pays a reward, not a means to gain permanent ownership of the company. There are many more forms of libertarian socialism which do not have completely public ownership of the means of production. End goal of libertarian socialism is to take away what they see as exploitative relationships. Anarchism goes further and seeks to abolish all/most hierarchies in society. I.e. they see wage labour as exploitative because in principle capitalists see humans as mere economic input in their business, as a means to generate profit. With mutual ownership, all people that work for the company are seen as equal partners who together contribute to the company and are entitled to a reasonable part of the profits because of this contribution. I don't see how the simple act of seeing other humans with whom you create something of value as equal partners in business rather than economic input that you must pay the lowest possible wage in order to gain profit for yourself is 'totalitarian'. Or how a free market in which one enters into equal contracts with other people is 'public' while a free market in which people with a lot of capital are allowed to passively profit from ownership of others' companies because of initial investments is 'private'. I see both of these examples as 'private'. They are both free markets that simply operate on different ground rules on who is entitled to the profits of a business.
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  1690.  @bobhabib7662  _"If libertarian socialism doesn't require collectivized property, then why does it need income tax to feed it? lol - that's literally collectivizing someone's property is it not?" _ Libertarian socialism does not require that. I already named that market socialism in particular is really just a free market in which companies that are owned by those that directly contribute to said company compete with one another. Income tax or not. Could be a stateless society, even. Several forms exist. "Collectives are socialist ideas even if they might be applied in a capitalistic society." Are you one of those people that think "free market = capitalism"? Because that's untrue. Capitalism is just one of several ways to organise a free market. Capitalism is by far not the only type of free market and no, capitalism is not "just what happens" in freedom either. All myths that have come into existence after capitalism became the norm. We have come to see capitalism as so normal that we cannot imagine another type of free market anymore. Which is only natural when living under an economic system for so long. But it still is untrue. Capitalism is a free market which emphasises capital growth with elements like wage labour and the ability to gain passive ownership of a company by investment. A very specific type of free market. Solid system, because free market economics are great. But not without flaws. So to correct you, collectives are socialist ideas even if applied to a _free market_. Yes. That's why that form of a free market is not called capitalism, but something else. It's an anti-capitalist free market. "And no, just because you are a line worker at Amazon for example, doesn't mean you created anything. Yes, you may have pulled the packages so they can be delivered, but you are getting paid for pulling those packages. That is your contribution and you received payment for it. That's what you agreed to." Wage labour can exist within market socialism. The LITERAL only difference with capitalism is that all profits are divided among those that directly contribute to the company. And not equally, but fairly according to the actual contribution (at least roughly so, you can't "calculate" someone's contribution always, especially because the value we create is subjective). Obviously someone who does more valuable work will get a higher wage and probably a higher part of the profits too. The one and only thing market socialism demands is that it is impossible for third parties to passively take profits from a company just because they invested a bit of money. This permanent ownership, regardless of actual contribution to the business, is seen as exploitative by socialists across the board. Sure, the person that built a company and continues to be an important part of keeping it afloat deserves a much higher pay than a regular worker that stepped in doing an essential, but basic job. But does the capitalist who paid the person that built the company 10.000 dollars 30 years ago as start-up capital deserve 1.000.000 dollars pay from the coffers of the company that others have worked hard to build and expand over the years? No, not if all the capitalist did is pay the money and then sit on his arse doing nothing for the business. Providing start-up investments is an essential service in any market economy, but giving capitalists life-long ownership that entitles them to permanent passive profiteering off the work of others is a bit too much. The idea of giving people who have NOTHING to do with a company, part ownership of the company and a permanent entitlement to part of its profits is stupid. It makes no sense unless you're trying to create an economy that is massively skewed towards making already rich people richer. "You will never get rid of "exploitative relationships" as long as there are human beings. The best you can do is create an environment where if you think you're being exploited, you can change companies or start your own. Just another reason that capitalism is superior to collectivist thinking." There is nothing exploitative about starting a company and hiring people you see as partners together with whom you keep the business afloat. There is nothing exploitative about basic workers receiving significantly less pay than people doing more demanding/complex work, and/or people who gave a lot to build the business up. How this is divided? That's for each company to decide internally, as long as it's reasonable. What is exploitative is only this: seeing humans as nothing other than economic input for you to personally profit from. With a preference for passive profit from capital investment returns. That is not the standard for humans, not at all. And if you think it is, then you have a very bleak view of humanity.
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  1731.  @SRad01  No. The radar tech that the British gave the US was not called "the most valuable cargo ever brought to our shores" by some historians for nothing... It was a huge deal and massive improvement over any crude pre-existing "radar". Absolutely central to US naval superiority in the Pacific to the point where you seriously have to consider how things would have gone without it. Jet technology was gotten from the UK, as part of the Tizard mission in 1940. I'd love to know how the US could have had jet prototypes by 1942 (look up: P59A Airacomet) using British engines when they got it from the Germans earlier. ONLY the Germans and British had been developing jet engines since the 1930s and they completed their first operational aircraft within weeks of one another, with the German Me-262 and a few weeks later the British Gloster Meteor. Fun fact: the Soviet MiG-15 used a backwards-engineered British jet engine that the UK granted the Soviets for use in passenger jets. Before that they only had poorly adapted engines inspired by those of the Me-262, though they never quite could copy them well. Jet engines were only developed by the Germans and British respectively, all of the surrounding powers got theirs from those two either by capture or by shared tech. Ah, about the nuclear programme I see you are partly right. I was under the impression it started in 1942 under influence of the Tizard mission, but in reality it was already started in 1939 and while there were little developments, the British shared one of their breakthroughs in 1940 that kickstarted the Manhattan project to greater heights. In 1944/45 the British shared all of their secrets, but these only sped up the process by a few months and weren't central to its completion. The first shared breakthrough, however, was. And finally about the supplies, I agree. I don't see how I said anything different. The US was surely the top industry of the allies and supplied others the most, but at the same time we must acknowledge the huge USSR industry at the time. And I don't know why you're naming Germany as challenging the US. The British produced roughly as much as the Germans in WW2 as far as I'm aware and neither of them held a candle to the USSR and US production rate. Essentially you had two massive industries of the US and USSR and the rest lagged behind. About American steel, American steel ore is as far as I'm aware inferior to European ore. It is not about the capabilities of the US industry, but about the geographical quality of ore. Reports I've read in the past from British records stated that American steel at the time was quite a bit inferior to their own. It's a small geographical limitation compared to for example the USSR and UK being dependent on the US for rubber imports (highly important for wheels and thus a proper supply line, perhaps the most important US supply to the allies of all) and the massive limitation that Europe in general had and still has regarding lack of oil (which arguably is the main reason the Germans lost the war: they failed to reach either Middle Eastern or Soviet oil sources in time and ran out of oil). So all in all the US had a great position in terms of supplies and I believe they were the only actual self-sufficient industry during the war. The rest all had some grave dependencies.
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  1734.  Yen Feng  What surplus of troops? You had about the same amount of men in the military as the British Empire alone (British 15 million total served, US 16 million total served), now add roughly 3 million French men by 1945 and whatever the total amount of men that all the smaller allied nations at the time had. You would barely be able to get here in the first place as only the UK had highly advanced anti submarine tech that made German U-boats obsolete by 1944/45 (not sure if they shared this with the US, don't think so) and the Royal Navy was the main force fighting the Battle for the Atlantic. War is not about "sending troops", it is about being able to set up supply lines and bases in strategic areas. The US could do none of that without the UK at the time. Where will you send the troops? UK? Nope. North Africa? Nope, British troops stationed there throughout the war. Do you seriously think you can just ship men all over the Atlantic and stage a highly complex D-day style landing? You can't even do that TODAY, let alone back then. Nobody can do that. There were no "surplus men" to send, there were no logistical possibilities to get them there without the UK and there were no logistical possibilities to supply them without the UK. You can't just invade a continent from across an entire ocean... It was difficult enough from the UK to begin with. It's absolutely ridiculous and this is not even mentioning the USSR that would mix in the fights and kick both our asses, likely ending up taking all of Western Europe.
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  1735.  @SSPENGUIN1  You get credit as one of three main allies, each of which was absolutely indispensable for the war effort. Without any of the three big allies, the war would be lost. What people like some in this thread do is claim one of the three big allies saved EVERYONE, which is very inaccurate. The three allies did it together. I hate it when the role of the other allies are downplayed. And the UK did pay you back and BANKRUPTED themselves in doing so. It's disingenuous to frame US supplies as something that came from the good of your heart. It was pure business and you surely did good business with it. It almost single handedly bankrupted the richest nation at the time. The US was unmissable in the war effort against the Axis forces, the British Empire was unmissable in the war effort against the Axis forces and the USSR was unmissable in the war effort against the Axis forces. That is the one and only truth about the contributions of the big three allies. You can't claim any of them saved the others. I constantly see comments that either exaggerate how the USSR "saved Europe" and "took on 90% of the Wehrmacht"(lol) or comments that exaggerate the US presence in Europe as if they were like 90% of the forces and "saved Europe" or claim that US supplies were some kind of charity that was more important than the actual fighting. Especially the British Empire contribution is very often downplayed in a disgusting manner, but I also see the US contribution being downplayed by "USSR saved all" type of comments and the USSR contribution being downplayed by "US saved all" comments. It should stop. All three were roughly equally important to the war effort (yes, even the British Empire) and they succeeded together.
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  1762. De Gouden Eeuw mag niet meer zo heten want "slechte dingen" Dus.... De Verlichting mag niet meer zo heten omdat er toen ook armoede en oorlog en wat dan ook was? De Renaissance? La Belle Epoque? De Oudheid is dan wel weer neutraal dus die mag blijven. En hoe zit het met de "Dark Ages"? Mag die term niet meer gebruikt worden omdat er ook positieve uitvindingen en ontwikkelingen zich voordeden gedurende die periode? Wanneer snapt deze oetlul dat wij die periodes vernoemen naar hun onderscheidende kenmerken? De Gouden Eeuw heet niet zo omdat er alleen maar rijkdom e.d. was, maar omdat we in die eeuw bijzonder opbloeiden op het gebied van cultuur, wetenschap en economie/macht. De Renaissance heet niet zo omdat we na de Middeleeuwen als een prachtige lente hergeboren waren en het alleen maar mooi was, maar omdat zich een heropleving van opvattingen, kunst en cultuur uit de Oudheid voordeed. En de late 19e eeuw wordt ook wel met La Belle Epoque aangeduid omdat die tijd simpelweg mooi was vanuit economisch en koloniaal opzicht voor Europa, wederom niet omdat er geen armoede of oorlog zou zijn. De Dark Ages verwijst naar de vroege Middeleeuwen waarin in vergelijking met de Oudheid minder wetenschappelijke ontwikkelingen en meer waren, maar ook dit betekent niet dat er letterlijk niets was uitgevonden en er geen vooruitgang was (alsnog best veel). Wij noemen periodes naar bijzonderheden. Armoede is niet bijzonder. Oorlog is niet bijzonder. Noch is economische voorspoed en wetenschappelijke vernuftigheid bijzonder. Tenzij... één van die onderwerpen BIJZONDER VAAK/INTENSIEF VOORKWAM IN DIE PERIODE. Zoals... economische/culturele/wetenschappelijke voorspoed tijdens de Gouden Eeuw. EEN ACCURATE NAAM DUS.
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  1763. Socialism doesn’t mean “when the government nationalises things”. Firstly this ignores the many libertarian forms of socialism, especially anarchism. And secondly all socialist experiments and ideological texts are deeply connected with the progression towards communism, a stateless and moneyless society that is thought to be the logical successor of capitalism. The reason why people don’t regard NS as socialism is because it completely falls outside of this tradition and weirdly uses “socialism” outside of the context of it being a transitory and temporary state meant to precede communism. The ENTIRE point of a socialist state, as per ALL leftist theory preceding the NS, is to build communism and guide society towards it with its policies. NS use “socialism” to describe their end goal state, which is already a massive departure from leftist theory and uproots what “socialism” even means at a fundamental level. Thirdly, Hitler calls Marxism “international Jewish finance” for no apparent reason. This sentence makes zero sense. There is no coherent idea behind this except racism against Jews “therefore they’re evil and Marxism is part of the evil international Jewish plot or something”. This isn’t a serious critique of Marxism or a serious leftist disagreement with Marxism. It’s a reactionary dismissal of Marxism, based in racism. So in short I think it’s great you point out that they nationalised the industry, but they have ZERO ideological connection to socialism/communism except very superficially using the name and some collectivist talking points. It’s a stretch to call them socialist
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  1770. Are you seriously even entertaining the thought of anarcho-capitalism? Capitalism is only acceptable when you keep the corporations somewhat in check while still leaving them free enough to innovate and create wealth. Left unchecked, capitalism is some distopic shit, with massively powerful corporations that'll do anything to maximise profit. I don't understand why anyone would even consider such a system. Capitalism is very good at innovation and wealth-creating, but some very serious side effects are that 99% of wealth eventually ends up in the hands of the 1% and that as corporations get more powerful they start to drown out small and middle-sized companies with vicious tactics. Capitalism only works when you find a good balance between regulating its flaws (really skewed wealth distribution and tendency towards monopolies/oligarchies by drowning out the competition) and leaving it unregulated enough to allow its benefits to flourish (massive wealth creation and very good innovation). In its core unregulated form, capitalism is hell for all except the 1% that amasses an ever increasing amount of wealth and power. If overregulated, the benefits of capitalism are killed as wealth creation and innovation is stifled. Anarcho capitalism is absolutely unacceptable as a means of government, it's a seriously bad idea. Oh, and socialism is not just "government does stuff". Socialism means that the entire economy is collectivised for the working class and all means of production are used by and for the working class. Other classes don't exist anymore and an egalitarian society without private ownership of any factories/etc. is created. Wealth is distributed purely by how much your work is worth. All wealth first goes to the government and is then redistributed. The US military is not "socialist" just because it's the government organising something. Socialism requires an entire economic revolution. A capitalist system with social policies or a generally big government is still capitalism; see most of Western Europe, capitalist social democracies. Essentially, their balance between regulating capitalism and leaving it free, skews more to the regulating side than it does in the US. It's really nothing more than that.
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  1778. His description of god is more an explanation of why we humans created religion than an argument for the literal god being real. Strictly speaking I think he is correct in how he describes religion and what it represents, but connects the wrong conclusion to it (it therefore being "real"). God is not real, he or they - whatever form of god or spirituality your culture may adhere to - are made up beings reflecting the collective views, archetypes and evolutionary instincts of the specific culture the god(s) in question belong to. I would agree with that, but that doesn't mean god is "real", it means god is nothing more than a symbol of our collective conscience. Or in other words religion is a metaphorical representation of our culture and collective beliefs on what is right and proper. And by what is right and proper I mean what is good for the survival of our species: usually including being honourable or a good person, in certain religions also including hygienic rules or other rules that are thought to be beneficial to follow for our survival, all coupled with a punishment for non-compliance (hell, not reincarnating or reincarnating into a lower status, karma, etc.). Problem is that unless your religion adapts to the time and circumstances, you can be stuck following an outdated set of rules that may be counterproductive to the wellbeing of your society. This problem is specifically seen with abrahamic religions that have set scriptures that claim to be the one and only truth. Other, more loose belief systems, evolve with the society it belongs to and change with the times. In my opinion, religion is not bad per se when seen as a set of moral rules for society, as long as there is no scripture (as soon as scripture turns up, you are morally stuck in the times the scripture was written). At any time, rational thinking should prevail over religion.
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  1780. 1. Your first point about politicians always lying is rather broad. Having watched most discussions, the lying in this particular campaign was extremely intensive, far more so than during any normal political discourse. I've honestly never seen such a horrible campaign. Remain falsely painted a doomsday picture and leave falsely painted a picture of paradise. And they did so with very extreme lies. I don't think this is relevant to the question whether a second vote is warranted, but just wanted to point this out. 2. About the second vote, I think it is not necessarily against democratic principles at this point. The point of democracy is not only that we can vote on certain issues, but also that we can change our mind once the situation changes. This of course doesn't mean that we can have referenda and then immediate second referenda on the same issue if the vote is not pleasing to the government. But what it does mean is that after enough has changed and/or there is enough progress with Brexit, there could be a second vote. Considering the years that have passed, the progress Brexit has gone through in terms of negotiation and more, I think there is no democratic reason to oppose a second vote. What in my view decides whether a second vote is legitimate or not is the measure in which the situation surrounding that issue has changed and/or the measure in which the previously chosen policy has crystallised. This must be enough change to constitute a significantly different situation, truly something new to vote over. At the same time one must be wary that such a vote doesn't undermine the earlier vote. Since 2016 a lot of things have been clarified or changed. We see the unrest it has caused in Parliament and the political deadlock it created. We see that the economic impact has been relatively minor so far (especially compared to the Remain arguments). We see that a soft Brexit is no longer on the table. We know May's proposed deal. We see a possible no-deal scenario happening. These developments are enough to justify a vote in entirely new circustances. There is no democratic argument against first voting on general policy on such a large issue and 3 years later voting on the progress of that policy and, considering any new developments, on whether to continue that policy or not. Denying a second vote at this stage is denying the voters a say on government policy so far. I also don't see where the argument against the second vote ends. You say after Brexit has been completed, but I don't see a functional difference between voting now, in the light of all developments, and voting for example just after the completion of Brexit. We'd still not know what the effects of Brexit would be and would only have an extra option to rule out in terms of deals. I think placing the threshold there is rather arbitrary. The difficulty of deciding when a second vote is acceptable on an issue like Brexit is that its effects are drawn out. It takes years to prepare, can the people not vote on how the government handles this stage? After the deal is made it takes years more to actually negotiate the trade relationship. Can the people vote in this stage? The true effects of Brexit probably won't be felt until decades later. Must we wait on those before we can vote? Brexit is no clear-cut process. It's a vague policy that continuously crystallises over the course of many years. It's a gradual process. There is no clear point out of this process you can point at for the right moment to have a second vote. I do think enough has changed to warrant a sufficiently different situation for a second vote, but this vote mustn't overrule the earlier vote without the outcome of that vote to have properly had a chance to take shape. I think Brexit is a uniquely difficult subject in this regard. On the one hand enough has certainly changes to warrant a vote on the direction Britain is going, but on the other hand the original vote hasn't fully come to pass yet. It's very rare that those two overlap. Normally by the time signifcant changes have happened, the original vote was already respected. Because of this overlap, I think a compromise is the only viable outcome. I don't think we can deny the populace a vote on the current direction of Britain, yet I also don't think we can overrule the first vote before the process has been completed. Both can be respected by allowing a referendum on how we should leave, without a remain option. So a referendum on soft Brexit, hard Brexit, May's deal, just custom's union, etc. etc. etc.
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  1837. +Dennis Molema Die kneedbaarheid zit 'm in de Nederlanders die veranderen, niet in buitenlanders die naar Nederland komen en weigeren te integreren. Cultuur evolueert, maar evolutie betekent dat het bestaande verandert, niet dat er wat bij komt dat niet past. Ik vind zelf dat ook niet-Europese etniciteiten heel goed kunnen samenleven in Nederland en onderdeel kunnen worden van de Nederlandse cultuur, maar één groep lijkt dat niet (goed) te kunnen en dat zijn over het algemeen migranten uit moslimlanden. Het probleem is dat zij zo veel waarde hechten aan hun geloof dat ze dat als identiteit zien boven hun nationaliteit (en in veel gevallen zien ze zelfs hun etnische afkomst ook nog als identiteit boven hun Nederlandse nationaliteit, zoals de Turken die over het algemeen heel nationalistisch zijn). Dit cultuurverschil maakt dat ze heel moeilijk integreren. Wij vragen van hen dat ze de Nederlandse cultuur volledig aanvaarden, maar hun eigen cultuur gooit zand in het eten. Zij hebben een sterke identiteit die ze zelfs in het buitenland met zich dragen. Andere migranten hebben dat niet en doen het veel beter. En die cultuur van onveranderlijkheid en aanhankelijkheid aan die identiteit van het moslim zijn en/of de nationaliteit van de voorouders is onverenigbaar met onze cultuur van "als je goed integreert in de Nederlandse samenleving hoor je erbij". Wij vragen iets van hen dat heel moeilijk is voor ze, omdat dat ook betekent dat je je Nederlander voelt en niet bijvoorbeeld een Turk.
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  1892.  @YraxZovaldo  Ik wil je aanraden je begrijpend lezen eens bij te spijkeren. Vanaf het begin af aan heb ik gezegd dat demonstraties als deze verplaats KUNNEN worden met het oog op de openbare orde (iets wat gemakkelijk te verdedigen is als je ziet wat voor rotzooi er bij zo veel intochten heeft afgespeeld de laatste paar jaar) en zelfs verboden kunnen worden als je kijkt naar confrontaties met hooligans (maar nogmaals, ik zou zeggen dat de politie er goed genoeg mee om is gegaan en een compleet verbod niet nodig is). Wat jij zei is dat dit alleen bij "uiterste noodzaak" kan gebeuren, maar dat is simpelweg niet waar. In Zaanstad hebben demonstranten met extreme veiligheidsmaatregelen bij de intocht kunnen demonstreren. In Tilburg is ervoor gekozen om de demonstranten een plek toe te bedelen weg van de intocht. Beide beslissingen zijn gewoon democratisch en volledig wettelijk. De burgemeester is niet gehouden om een fort van de intocht te maken en veel geld te besteden aan de beveiliging alleen om een demonstratie bij de intocht goed te laten verlopen, hij/zij kan er ook voor kiezen om op een andere manier de demonstratie goed te laten verlopen. Jouw insinuatie dat het verplaatsen van de demonstratie ondemocratisch is en alleen bij uiterste noodzaak kan, klopt niet. Als de burgemeester vindt dat demonstraties de intocht niet ordelijk zullen laten verlopen en dat kan beargumenteren (makkelijk naar aanleiding van eerdere gebeurtenissen), dan mag de demonstratie verplaatst worden naar een plek waar het de intocht niet verstoort. De burgemeester in Zaanstad heeft ervoor gekozen voor extreme beveiligingsmaatregelen, de burgemeester in Tilburg heeft ervoor gekozen de demonstratie te verplaatsen en de burgemeester in Rotterdam heeft er volgens mij voor gekozen het zonder beveiliging door te laten gaan (en inderdaad... confrontaties daar...). Allemaal volledig legale beslissingen. Er is niet één "goede" beslissing. Het enige wat ik zei is dat als ik burgemeester zou zijn ik voor het verplaatsen had gekozen, wat naar mijn mening de beste oplossing is.
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  1899. I agree with your take on National Socialism being a form of Socialism (or at the least a similar social revolution), but you're missing something. Socialism is not just about state control, that is merely one of several elements of it. The most important element of socialism is the ideological reasons for designing the economy the way they do. It makes a lot more sense to not only point out the lack of free market, but also explain the ideological reasons for it and how similar those are to marxism. And there are enough similarities to either say Nazism is socialism or at the least that Fascism is its own third ideology besides socialism/capitalism that is in many ways related to socialism. You can have state control while being capitalist, for example the war economy in the US during WW2. But if that state control goes coupled with an ideological social revolution, it's no longer capitalism. This is the case for Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the USSR, none were capitalist. To complete your argument, spend more time explaining the social revolutions. And about your points regarding Cambridge/Oxford, I don't know why you're surprised they publish books that are contradictory to one another. They aren't one homogenous group of scholars, they educate many different kinds of scholars with different opinions. Your point about Keynesians distorting history to defend their views MAY be true for some scholars, but it's a very bad idea to claim that the entirety of Cambridge somehow teaches this and they're all elites with the same views.
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  1901. Fantasy needs to be grounded in the current reality? That's funny because most fairy tales are ancient stories that range in age from a few hundred years all the way to thousands of years, yet they always remained relevant and an important part of our culture in Europe. The Beauty and the Beast, for instance, is believed to be 4000 years old and Disney made a film about it a few years ago. Good stories don't have to be grounded in the current reality at all, they need to speak to us. That's all. They need to be great stories that speak to us. Timeless stories. And this is true for fantasy and fairy tales more than anything, because they heavily draw on ancient stories and lore. Elves, dwarves and other characters you always see return in fantasy are from thousands of years old European mythology, not "grounded in current reality". Many of the stories in The Last Wish are adaptations of ancient fairy tales, again thousands of years old usually. And even many of the themes are very old. There is such a thing as timeless stories and that is what fantasy is supposed to be. The Lord of the Rings will always remain a good story. If you infuse ideology into it, it will only be regarded as a good story as long as people identify with that ideology (which even today is already a problem). They took an amazing fantasy story and ruined it, if they've infused ideology into it. Politics is fine, as long as they are themes that are timeless and closely tied to what it means to be human. Yes, all stories have some degree of politics in them, but no not all (very few in fact, as this is a relatively new phenomenon) have ideology shoved in them. That is a very important distinction to make. And lastly I would also argue that dealing with fantasy/fairy tales comes with a responsibility towards the culture they come from to respectfully draw from that story. Fairy tales and mythology/folklore were not just written down in the 1800's by some brothers named Grimm, they are ancient stories that were often orally passed down from generation to generation for literal millennia before finally being written down. These stories are not just stories, they are part of European culture or whatever culture you draw the folklore from. Modern fantasy heavily draws from this folklore and I am not a fan of using the popularity of these cultural stories to spread some ideological message that has no place in fantasy. Fantasy should be authentic, in my opinion.
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  1907. A constitution is not just written. There can be unwritten rules. Some constitutions even run on unwritten rules largely or completely. The British constitution is an example of a constitution that is almost 100% unwritten and the country largely functions purely on conventions instead of hard written rules. Of course one can't simply make a rule up, but if there is a longstanding behaviourism (not nominating a SC judge right before elections) and a logical reason why that rule fits within the 'spirit' of the constition (f.e. democracy is an important principle within the US constitution and waiting for the people to vote for their political preference before appointing a political judge would be best done after the election if you base your judgement on this matter on democracy), then there is a good argument to call this an issue of constitutionality. America has one of the most rigid, written constitutions, which is why I understand why you THINK that the written aspect is the only one that matters, but in the rest of the developed world it's very common to have even absolutely central aspects of the constitution be unwritten conventions. In American politics, everything that is not a written hard rule is consistently broken if party interests clash with the rules, so you ought to be extremely happy with the way your constitution is built, but yes unwritten rules exist too and they can be important. It's just that in the US the major parties will break them in a heartbeat if it suits them, while in f.e. the UK politicians not only respect unwritten rules but their entire government runs on them. Technically, documents asserting human rights and important constitutional issues like the limitation of power of the monarchy are simple laws that can be repealed just like any other law. But because of the highly important role they play within the British constitution, it is an unwritten rule that they are never to be tampered with. Such unwritten rules can be anything from very specific and small things (like don't do X right before an election) to huge aspects of the constitution. I'm not saying that there is a constitutional norm not to elect a judge right before an election in the US, I just want to say that the discussion about the existence of such a norm is possible. In practice, this would of course immediately be highjacked by party interests though so it's a discussion that's going to be limited to constitional law circles. Neither of the big parties really care about the constitution enough to respect unwritten rules, so they'll just bend them to fit their own agenda. This is very different in other developed nations.
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  1913.  Sonny Burnett  That is not how demographics work. We are VERY far off from even the American demographics, let alone replacement. It is simply not going to happen in a thousand years. What happens in our cities is not happening on a national scale. And about our current demographics, the most multicultural European country which also has the highest amount of muslims is..................................... Russia. Yet there are all kinds of replacement conspiracies about Western Europe and Russia is often seen as the way to go in terms of nationalism. The difference between Russia and Western Europe is not one of numbers, it is how we deal with migrants. We are extremely lenient compared to them, so we get a lot of misbehaviour. I still agree with you that the idea of multiculturalism is dumb, useless, has almost zero benefits opposed to several serious downsides and damaged the cultures you do it to. But on the other hand, no we are not even remotely close to being replaced in any kind of way. But migration should still be drastically toned down or stopped because of the effect it has on our countries. Poorly integrated migrants flock together in cities and end up in criminality en masse because of their poor integration. And why are they poorly integrated? They either don't want to or can't. It kills the culture of our cities as they all turn into the same multicultural melting pot mess (in that regard you are correct about parts of our culture being destroyed even now; it is not happening nationally, but it is certainly happening on the city level). I think mass immigration is a crime against the culture you do it to. Once cultures start losing control/influence in their own countries because they have become a melting pot, you have LESS diversity in the world and absolutely not more. And I believe it is a tragedy to see a culture fade away or even disappear. It's all part of this sick idea that we all want to be like America even though we are different and are not compatible with multiculturalism. It doesn't work, as even politicians like Merkel, Cameron and more have openly stated. We are not immigrant nations like America, so we should not be trying to become melting pots. It's a crime to turn a native country into a melting pot like it was a crime to turn native America into what it is today. Because part of turning a native country into a melting is inflicting heavy damage onto its culture so that it can make place for multiple cultures to coexist in one nation. So I guess we agree on the anti-migration stance, but not on why. The "great replacement" is a lie, but at least it gets right that multiculturalism is a danger that ought to be stopped.
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  1935. +Pasquino Marforio Ah that explains a lot. Mate, that video is complete and utter nonsense. The Internet Censorship Bill is pushed by our national governments. Countries like Germany want this. The European Council of Ministers (our national governments sitting together) voted in favour. The European Parliament (directly voted for by the people) has now rejected it and will vote again on an amended version in september. It's unsure whether it will make it. Short explanation on how laws are passed in the EU: European Council (our national leaders, like Merkel, Macron, etc. sitting together) draws a political goal for the EU. European Commission (Juncker and his commissioners) make up the actual law that represents the Council's views, then they do a proposition of law. European Council of Ministers (our full governments sitting together) vote on the contents of that proposition of law. The European Parliament (directly chosen representatives) also vote on the contents. Both have the power to amend the law as they see fit. That video of yours is nonsense. Our national governments are the biggest proponents of this new censorship bill, they are the pushing force behind it. The EU parliament temporarily stopped it. The Commission merely carried out the wishes of the likes of Merkel. Our national leaders are the most important factor in the EU, they guide it. Saying "the EU" made a law is not accurate, because our national governments and the EU are not separate; they are intertwined. Most people we vote for in our national government also play important roles within the EU. And then we have the directly chosen EU parliament. There is no such thing as "EU bureaucrats telling countries what to do", the bureaucrats ARE the countries. So if you criticise this bill, criticise countries like Germany for wanting it
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  1936.  @HannibalBarcaRTW  No, the reason these speeches appeal to you is because they distract from the true reason behind these issues. Yes, quality of life is decreasing that is true, but why? It’s because of capitalism increasing wealth inequality more and more, forcing our governments to placate big businesses more and more. Big businesses are getting more powerful, especially with globalism they are becoming impervious to government regulation. If we do something they don’t like, they can move their business elsewhere, outside of our reach. We now need to court businesses to settle in our countries, to choose us over other countries. They are the true global leaders and they’re united in having interests in policy that benefits their profit margins. Why do immigrants come here? Two answers: businesses want them here for cheap labour (notice how after brexit, the UK simply replaced eastern european immigrants with African, Indian etc immigrants? It’s because corporate interests require immigrants to do cheap labour, regardless of what the people vote for) and businesses keep those third world nations poor by extracting their resources, giving VERY little in return and pocketing all the profits. Africa is insanely rich in resources, but when a French company mines them, they employ a small number of your people maybe and pay a little tax, but 90% of that wealth is gone. Extracted never to be seen again. And if they revolt against this system? Get ready for regime change. Need a loan due to how little you profit from how we extract your resources? Here you go, except there are conditions attached that further ensure you remain poor (mostly we impose austerity measures which make investment in developing their economies impossible). So conditions are terrible there and en masse these people seek to escape this economic trap by moving to rich nations like ours. We created these conditions, our institutions like the IMF and our businesses. This is not to speak of warzones we created, like Libya, and all the refugees coming from these places. We created this issue ourselves, largely. We chose profit and the result is mass immigration. 95% of Africans coming here would gladly stay home if they could build a decent life there. And with their resources there is no reason why they can’t… IF businesses stopped exploiting their land and shipping the profits abroad. In short, we the people are NOT in power. Not even our governments are in power. Global capital interests are in power and decide most of our economic and political life. Even our cultural/social life. We are entirely dependent on placating them to grant us their business and some taxes. And with globalism this dynamic has reached new heights, enabling businesses to pit countries against one another and forcing us to beg more than ever for them to keep their business in our nations. THAT is the core of the issue. Everything from immigration to decreasing quality of life traces back to this issue and why we can’t fix it as long as we remain capitalist
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  1960. @Bhigr Bond You don't understand that Declaration at all. I guess according to you article 3 ("Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.") means the death penalty or even the police shooting criminals is illegal because it takes lives, prison sentences are illegal because they limit liberty, etc..... The UDHR doesn't work like this. Hell, the UDHR doesn't even have legal power in any country. It's exclusively used as a basis to prosecute extreme breaches of human rights without specific laws prohibiting it, to counter the "I just followed orders/the law" arguments of Nazis. The UDHR just indicates the vague existence of universal human rights, floating somewhere above all legal structures. Meaning that following the law under a Nazi system doesn't mean you escape punishment for serious cirme because "well I didn't breach any law in my country". Nobody can derive any specific rights from the UDHR. The UDHR is deliberately vague and without any legal power. America already breached half of it within seconds of signing the thing, with its segregation, torture, the US constitution slavery as "illegal except for prisoners", etc. No such thing as absolute freedom of speech exists. In virtually the entire world, it's limited. In most of the world, hate speech is not allowed. And for good reason. And as a side note, even in countries where holocaust denial is illegal, it's NOT illegal in a scientific context . So if you in good faith want to challenge the views on the holocaust and provide proper evidence to support your views, it's allowed. People like you, who just spout denialist talking points are RIGHTLY BANNED.
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  1963. Civilisation has caused people to lose all interest in a tight society. We live in an age where selfishness and personal accomplishment trumps all. It is about profit, economic growth and personal comfort, to the detriment of the planet (agriculture, pollution, deforestation, urbanisation, industrialisation, etc.). We even wage or support wars and kill thousands up to millions just for money and comfort (latest example is Jemen, in which thousands have died and millions are starving. We don't speak up, because of lucrative arms deals with the Saudis). Civilisation has also brought us advanced medicine/technology, very high levels of comfort and (at least in the West) very high levels of safety (though the violence in the era before industrialisation wasn't bad either, even if you go further back in history the violence is usually exaggerated). The culture of greed we have today is rotten to the core, the disdain for nature is at an all time high and like always we still murder eachother frequently. Is this worth the comfort civilisation brings? I personally believe that while civilisation brought both good and bad, we took a turn for the worse with industrialisation in particular. We need societies in which we care about eachother, instead of the culture of greed we have now. And we need to understand the consequences of our actions, the consequence of pushing for constant economic growth and constant population growth. We deem ourselves separate from or even superior to nature, but we are still subject to her laws.
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  2000. +Diego Revius Dit is onderdeel van mijn studie, rechtsgeleerdheid. We leren dat de manier van denken in de wetenschap (en dus het recht) niet hetzelfde is als de standaard manier van denken. Ons brein is geëvolueerd om cognitieve shortcuts te maken, in plaats van alles op een logische manier te analyseren en op basis daarvan een besluit te nemen. Die evolutionaire cognitieve shortcuts is waar vermoedens, vooroordelen en dergelijke reacties vandaan komen. Dat zijn onze cognitieve instincten. Bijvoorbeeld, ons schrik instinct. Als een roofdier onze kant op sluipen, rennen we instinctief weg, of dit nou een logische actie is of niet. Dat is omdat ons brein in een fractie van een seconde de beslissing voor ons neemt. Zouden we dit instinct niet hebben dan zouden de eerst kijken wat voor dier het is, bedenken of het dier een bedreiging is en vervolgens bedenken wat de beste actie is. Dit proces duurt natuurlijk een aantal seconden en in de tussentijd ben je gewoon dood. Hierom is ons brein geëvolueerd om niet alleen logisch na te kunnen denken, maar ook om in andere gevallen zo snel mogelijk te beslissen , zonder logica. Dit instinct hebben we eigenlijk met alle vooroordelen en alle instinctieve reacties, ook in de sociale context. Vertrouwen we iemand? Wie heeft iets misdaan, etc.? Degenen die het meest voorzichtig waren zouden natuurlijk eerder overleven. Nu op het punt van xenofobie, deze evolutionaire cognitieve shortcuts zijn ook daarop van toepassing. Degenen die vroeger andere stammen en onbekende mensen minder vertrouwden zouden ook meer overleven en zodoende zit in ons brein, in ons onderbewustzijn, een inherent wantrouwen van het vreemde. Instinctief zijn wij allemaal xenofoob. Dit instinct kun je onderdrukken/neutraliseren door logisch na te denken, maar iedereen heeft ditzelfde instinct. Iedereen heeft vermoedens over wie de moord heeft gepleegd, iedereen heeft een natuurlijke schrikreactie op iets wat door het brein als een mogelijk gevaar wordt gezien en iedereen is op het eerste gezicht sceptisch over het vreemde. Dat is een gevoel waar je niet vanaf kunt. Dus ja, xenofobie zit in onze genen. Maar hoe je je gedraagt ligt eraan of je op je instinct afgaat of een stap terug neemt en logisch nadenkt. In de wetenschap kies je uiteraard altijd voor het laatste, maar het alledaags leven is over het algemeen geleid door onze cognitieve shortcuts.
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  2003. +Sizano Green I agree individuals can transfer cultures, but we are talking about groups here. It's much more complex. Migrants who come here and are even born here do not "live with the natives", so to speak, they live amongst themselves. A migrant child is raised by his migrant parents, often even raised with a foreign language first and Dutch second. Migrant children live in two worlds: their home, which is filled with their migrant culture, and the outside world, which is filled with Dutch culture. As a child they are influenced by both and as a consequence, will adhere to somewhat of a mixed culture in the end (some may attach more to their home culture, others may attach more to the culture of their peers. And a side note on the peers; those may be migrant children too instead of Dutch children, in which case even the outside world would be a non-Dutch culture). The exact problem we have with integration here is that migrants do not live with the natives, they live in their own neighbourhoods. We tried scattering them on numerous occasions using different tactics (which are limited in a democratic country for obvious reasons, we can't forcefully remove people from their homes), but in the end migrant neighbourhoods formed again. They love cities and particularly parts of the city where many migrants live. On some occasions, Dutch people are even pestered away from those neighbourhoods! We ask them to ditch their culture and adapt to ours, but they won't. They prefer not to (and as I said before, I don't blame them). And in a democratic country, we of course can't force them to come "live with the natives". They choose to live in separate colonies within the natives' land. You choose the example of the US, but that's where you make a grave error. European nations aren't the US. We aren't melting pots, we are 90-95% white (talking about the multicultural European countries. Non-multicultural European countries are 99% white). The idea of multiculturalism here is that everyone comes here and they adapt to our culture; a very specific culture. In America there is no specific culture to adapt to, only a rather broad one that is very quickly and easily adopted. Here, the idea is that our native culture rules. In the US the idea is that a lot of cultures come together and essentially have one core thing in common: their love for America (broadly speaking, there is more to the US than that). If a culture is too different from ours, we essentially ask of people that come here to go directly against everything they believe and adopt our culture. This is too much to ask. Multiculturalism works in the US; an immigrant nation. But it doesn't work in Europe; native communities.
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  2004. Yeah that's a pretty poor explanation of Hitler in those schools. Almost makes him sound like a comic book villain... The real question is WHY was Hitler anti-Slav and anti-Semite? Because he believed there was a race struggle going on in which the interest of one race is always counter to the other. He believed that because of shrinking markets he needed autarky to ensure the survival of the German race (i.e. to ensure Germany was fully self-sufficient and could feed itself and produce industrial goods for itself). He believed nations (races, in his mind) would have to fight to achieve self-sufficiency by grabbing enough resources to form an autarky and that the races that would fail to do this, would go extinct as they would starve. National Socialism is also anti-capitalist and shares the same criticisms of owners of the means of production exploiting the workers as Marxism does. At the same time Nazis were anti-Marxist because of their egalitarian and globalist views. So, why anti-Slav hatred? Well, Eastern Europe had agricultural lands Hitler needed to form a Germany that could feed itself, so he planned to pretty much murder out the Slavs from Eastern Europe and take it as Lebensraum. So this is associated with the idea of autarky and that different races had to fight over resources to feed themselves so they could survive. Slavs had resources Germans needed to become self-sufficient, therefore they were the enemy and had to be fought. Another factor is the USSR that Hitler hated. Essentially, in Hitler's mind it was "either the German race starves out due to lack of agricultural lands, or I take agricultural lands from the Slavs and they die out". And, why anti-Semitism? Considering the Nazi idea of different races struggling over resources to survive, the idea of members of a different race living within German society is nothing short of parasitical. They believed the Jews' very existence in Germany was them being parasitical on the survival of the German race. They believed that to survive, the German race needed to control a certain amount of resources or else they would eventually starve to death. So there could be no other races competing for those resources from within German society. Because race = nation in National Socialism, you can't have two races mingling in one area. Every "nation" would have to be racially pure and using the means of production and resources to further the survival of that race. The German race didn't want to use their resources to further the survival of another race, the Jews. They were their competitors. Another factor that made their hatred for the Jews even worse was the fact that Jews were overrepresented as businessmen. So they were not only seen as a foreign race benefiting from German resources, but also as a foreign race directly exploiting the German race/workers for their own survival/monetary gain. The Jews were pretty much the ultimate example of what National Socialism was against. I think it's very sad that schools today essentially teach "he was just insane" because that doesn't properly portray how screwed up and dangerous the National Socialist ideology is. Hitler was not "just insane", he followed a very clear and consistent ideology. An ideology we should understand to avoid. When you call Hitler "just a monster", people are more likely to question why Hitler really did what he did or even deny it altogher because it's pretty illogical unless you understand the ideological reasons he did it. That is the danger of not properly teaching the ideology of Nazism and why it leads to more holocaust denialism: because without understanding the ideological reasons behind it, killing 17 million people is so random and so illogically evil that some start to question "this is so absurd, did it even happen at all?".
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  2036. You don’t understand socialism. You’re absolutely correct that so long as we remain in capitalism, “social” reforms can and often do have long term knock on effects. Absolutely correct, because they do nothing to change to fundamentals of capitalist power dynamics between capital owners and the rest of society. It tries to mitigate the effects of a system that fundamentally always leads to those effects due to this power imbalance and how we structured the entire economy to placate those few capitalists. It’s fighting windmills and may often enough even exacerbate those effects. Your example of rent controls and the housing market is an apt one. But what you fail to see is that there are more options than simply accepting capitalism and introducing social policies within that capitalist context. We can also critique how capitalism works on a more fundamental level and seek fundamental changes in how our economic system functions. And by this I don’t mean having the government plan the economy. If we learn anything from the 20th century it should be that planned economies do not work. It is important to realise that every type of economy, including capitalism, has certain ground rules that can be altered. Whether or not something as basic in our present economy as the ability to own ideas should exist at all, was a major discussion in the late 1800s. Intellectual property is not a natural part of the free market, it’s a rule we created ourselves and chose to enforce on society, thereby shaping the basics of our present economy. And yes, even property as such is such a constructed rule. Many types of free markets exist, including markets much more free than capitalism is. Market anarchists for instance propose a free market based on usufruct: whoever uses something owns it. I.e. you own your house not because of a piece of paper that says you do, but because you actually live there. And yes this is a form of socialism because the people that operate a business, own it because they operate it. And all people engage with one another on the basis of free exchange and market dynamics. Without property existing. There is only one thing prohibited: you don’t forcibly take something that is used by another. That’s theft. This funnily enough makes property a form of theft, as Proudhon famously wrote. In short, many types if markets are possible, and capitalism is but one of them. We decide on which basic rules an economy functions. Property is a made up rule based on state violence enforcing it upon us all, and that is what determines much of how our market functions. Different rules can be enforced or no rules can be enforced at all (except no theft/violence) and we can have free markets that function very differently. You don’t like publicly traded companies for example, this is another one of these made up rules that exists only by virtue of state violence enforcing it. Most rules do, down to the very basics of property itself.
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  2065.  @dickcheesehead9714  Ik geloof in een land met gelijke kansen waar iedereen kan kiezen wat hij of zij wil gaan doen en daarbij puur en alleen op hun kwaliteiten worden beoordeeld. Als er ongelijke kansen zijn, vind ik dat een probleem. Maar als er simpelweg meer vrouwen of mannen in een positie zitten dan vice versa dan zie ik geen probleem. Ik wil niet een soort van 50/50 arbitraire verdeling van alle baantjes. Dat is nergens op gebaseerd. Ja er zijn biologische verschillen tussen man en vrouw, waardoor het meestal de vrouw is die kiest op parttime te werken (gemiddeld meer affiniteit met en interesse in kinderen), waardoor er uiteindelijk minder vrouwen zijn die een echte carrière maken (kan niet als je er niet eens voltijd bent). Als vrouwen daar expliciet zelf voor kiezen, dan is er geen probleem. We moeten niet een samenleving die vrouwen min of meer forceert huisvrouw te zijn inruilen voor een samenleving die helemaal de andere kant op gaat en vrouwen juist meegeeft dat ze móéten werken. Het gaat om die vrije keuze. Partijen als D66 zien een 50/50 verdeling van man/vrouw in de top als een doel op zich. Dat is arbitrair (totaal geen reden om dat te doen, anders dan voor de show kunnen roepen "kijk eens hoe geëmancipeerd wij zijn") en discrimineert tegen mannen. Vrouwen en mannen zijn nu eenmaal in andere dingen geïnteresseerd. De meeste rechters zijn tegenwoordig vrouw en ik als rechtenstudent merk dat ik vooral vrouwelijke studenten om me heen heb. In een technische universiteit als Delft zie je juist voornamelijk mannen. Dat is niet "ongelijk", dat is het natuurlijke resultaat van vrije keuze. Hetzelfde geldt voor de keuze deeltijd te werken of voltijd, of zelfs om helemaal niet te werken.
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  2067. Geluk en een vredig bestaan is niet standaard. Dat is het grote probleem. Wij hebben hier prachtige landen opgebouwd die de uitzondering op de regel zijn. En wat wij hier hebben moeten we beschermen. Dat betekent niet dat wij absoluut geen vluchtelingen/migranten kunnen opnemen, maar wel dat we niet zomaar een grote stroom als deze kunnen toelaten. Wat wij hier hebben is heel bijzonder en dient beschermd te worden. Wat wij wel kunnen doen is andere landen helpen om ook zo ontwikkeld als ons te geraken. Maar iedereen hierheen halen doet schade aan ons eigen geluk en onze eigen vrede. De huidige vluchtelingen die we al hebben kosten ons gezamenlijk meer dan een miljard. Dat is geld dat bijvoorbeeld naar de zorg had gekund waar het hard nodig is, of de politie die ondercapaciteit heeft, of het onderwijs waar een crisis heerst. Alles wat wij doen voor migranten, gaat ten koste van wat wij hier hebben. Ons belastinggeld, wat ons geluk en onze vrede in stand houd en verbetert, gaat daaraan op. Wat we nu doen kunnen we makkelijk veroorloven en we kunnen zeker een miljard opzij schuiven voor vluchtelingen die het hard nodig hebben, maar we kunnen wat we doen ook weer niet dermate uit de hand laten lopen dat onze eigen samenleving serieus wordt aangetast door onze goedgevigheid. Er wordt soms gedaan alsof wat wij hier hebben een gegeven is en geheel niet bijzonder, maar dat is het wel. En ja, het kan ook uiteen klappen zonder goed beleid. Daarom is het zeer belangrijk om een goede balans te vinden tussen wat wij willen doen voor vluchtelingen en wat wij kunnen missen qua geld/aandacht voor onze eigen samenleving. Het kan niet allebei en dat is het probleem.
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  2082. +Tony the french Trouble Who the hell cares what their religion is? The Middle Eastern stream of migrants has been stopped by the EU some years ago. It dried up with the Turkey deal. What we have left now is the Libyan stream with Africans. They are Christians.... but I don't care. They're illegal migrants coming here for economic benefits, mostly. The EU must deal with the African stream like they dealt with the Syrian stream. Unfortunately they've been slow... but at least Italy has started a new discussion about this and I'm certain we will get a solution in the end. You call European leaders "veggies" without spines, but the EU has stopped the biggest migrant stream within months of it starting. That is what I call resolve and effective policy, yes with a spine. We have so far made a deal with the Libyan coast guard and gave them some ships to keep the African stream down, but that deal wasn't completely succesful. Now we are working on another solution. What have the Americans done? So far, just about nothing . Do you call that having a spine? Ripping families apart by forcefully removing children from their parents upon getting caught in the US is having a spine? It's the ultimate example of not having one. I want a leader that solves issues, not one that desperately builds walls that will never actually stop migrants or desperately resorts to punishing migrants by taking away their children. Americans have let migrants cross freely for literal decades and to this day do not have a solution. Instead they resort to breaking apart families and yelling at Europe.
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  2087.  @Enwabi  Zoals ik zei; de Bijbel is veel beter dan de Koran en ik zal dat uitbreiden door te zeggen dat Jezus oneindig veel beter is als religieus voorbeeld dan Mohammed. Maar het is niet te ontkennen hoe vreselijk het christendom was toen het naar Europa kwam en hoe gewelddadig en zelfs genocidaal men te werk ging om dat geloof te verspreiden. Het christendom was VRESELIJK voor de Renaissance en Verlichting. Werkelijk vreselijk. 1. Europa was slechts een schaduw van wat het was in de Klassieke tijd onder het christendom; de vroege christenen hebben Klassiek Europa totaal afgebroken. Zoals ik eerder zei ging dat gepaard met het massaal vernietigen van beelden en andere kunst, het sluiten van filosofiescholen, het vermoorden van filosofen en andere dissidenten (incl. christenen met andere interpretaties), het slopen van Europese architectuur en veel meer. Vergelijk eens kunst uit de vroege Middeleeuwen met kunst uit de late Oudheid. Het schaamrood staat je op de wangen als je ziet hoezeer men de Europese cultuur had vernietigd met de komst van het christendom. Die zwakte is waarom wij überhaupt moesten vrezen voor de moslims; zij hadden ons wetenschappelijk en cultureel INGEHAALD door de afbreuk van het Klassieke Europa. Dat is de harde waarheid. Vroege christenen waren net zo erg als IS-fanaten als je hun gedrag bestudeert. 2. Ik beoordeel een geloof op wat het met mensen doet. Ik ben het met je eens dat er niets mis is met Jezus, maar wat het christendom heeft gedaan met haar volgelingen in die tijd is afgrijselijk. Dat moet niet genegeerd worden. Net zo min dat als ISIS dingen doet die nóg erger zijn dan wat Mohammed deed, dat alsnog moet worden gezien als een gevolg van hun geloof. Bijvoorbeeld de praktijk dat terroristen zichzelf opblazen is redelijk nieuw en niet afgeleid van het voorbeeld van Mohammed, maar de islam is wel degelijk de oorzaak van dat gedrag. 3. Klopt helemaal.
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  2088.  @Enwabi  1. Ik heb het over de Oudheid, niet de Verlichting. Toen Europa nog "heidens" was en floreerde onder de klassieke cultuur vernietigden christenen kunst, vermoordden ze heidense filosofen e.d., sloten ze ook filosofiescholen en verbrandden ze boeken. Zo is het christendom de dominante religie in Europa geworden; met bruut geweld. 2. Dus de GEHELE christelijke stroming in Europa, van begin tot aan de Verlichting waren gewoon neppe christenen? Is dat nu serieus wat je beweert? Want tot de Verlichting was het christendom en nagenoeg al haar volgers in Europa vreselijk onderdrukkend, onverdraagzaam en bijzonder gewelddadig. Dit is niet veranderd tot aan de culturele heropleving/omwenteling van de Renaissance en Verlichting. En nogmaals; jij vindt dus ook dat islamitische terroristen die zichzelf opblazen niet de schuld van de islam is, omdat de stichter van de islam dat niet deed? Want dan moet je wel consequent zijn.... ik vind dat als iemand iets doet vanwege zijn/haar geloof, die gedraging aan dat geloof is toe te rekenen ongeacht of die gedraging letterlijk staat voorgeschreven in het geschrift. Dat dat geloof op zo'n gewelddadige manier KAN worden geïnterpreteerd betekent an sich al dat het een geloof is met serieuze mankementen. 3. En om nog even terug te gaan naar wat je zei bij punt 1; de filosofen en geleerden die onderdeel waren van de Verlichting waren misschien "christelijk", maar wat ze deden en waar ze voor stonden was in DIRECTE oppositie van het christendom. De Renaissance, waarin klassieke en heidense cultuur, mentaliteit, architectuur en veel meer weer tot leven werd gebracht, staat in directe oppositie van het christendom. De Verlichting, waarin de logica en redelijkheid boven alles stond en dus ook het geloof (wat in de praktijk betekende; ook na de Renaissance moest het christendom wéér aan macht/invloed inboeten), stond in directe oppositie van het christendom. De Renaissance en Verlichting waren bewegingen die in hun kern anti-christelijk waren en de macht van de kerk/het geloof inperkten. Of actoren binnen die bewegingen zelf in god geloofden of niet is totaal irrelevant; ze waren anti-christelijk bezig door de heidense/klassieke cultuur van Europa weer te doen opbloeien en door het geloof opzij te schuiven voor de redelijkheid en wetenschap.
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  2089.  @Enwabi  1. Dit is pure ontkenning van de geschiedenis. Zodra de christenen de macht kregen in het Romeinse rijk begon men massaal kunst te vernietigen, boeken te verbranden, tempels te vernietigen om kerken erbovenop te bouwen en werd het belijden van de originele religie van Europa verboden op straffe van de DOOD. En er werden kruistochten gelanceerd om dit ook met de Europeanen in het noorden en oosten te doen, die met geweld werden bekeerd (of onthoofd). Dit zijn feiten. En dat heidenen allemaal kinderen zouden opofferen en sexorgies hielden is ronduit lachwekkend. Van de Romeinen en Grieken is bekend dat ze mensenoffers verachtten. En waar haal je in godsnaam het idee van sexorgies vandaan? 2. Ben je nu echt zo dom om te zeggen dat het terugbrengen van de KLASSIEKE HEIDENSE CULTUUR van Europa (heidense kunst, heidense architectuur, ook werden weer heidense goden afgebeeld in kunst e.d.) pro-christelijk was? Wat de christenen wilden was het vernietigen van de "duivelse" heidense cultuur van Europa (hetgeen ze best goed deden tot aan de renaissance) om deze te verplaatsen met het christendom. Waar denk je dat de beeldenstorm over ging? Puristen onder de christenen vonden dat we in Europa weer te veel heidense kunst e.d. hadden, dat de katholieke kerk te veel heidense kenmerken had opgenomen. Een heropleving van klassiek Europese waarden en normen en kunst/architectuur staat in directe oppositie van christelijke waarden en normen en kunst/architectuur. Simpel toch? Wil je het christendom zo puur mogelijk houden, zonder heidense invloeden, dan moet je tegen de renaissance zijn. En wil je de positie van het christendom als leidende/centrale macht binnen onze samenleving behouden, dan moet je tegen de verlichting zijn. 3. Geweld kun je wel terugvinden in de islam, maar ik heb het over het heel specifieke voorval van zelfmoord terroristen. Waar staat in de koran dat je jezelf moet opblazen? Nergens. Sterker nog, er staat volgens mij in dat zelfmoord plegen een zonde is. Maar dat betekent niet dat moslimterroristen opeens niets met de islam te maken hebben; hun gedrag vloeit voort uit hun eigen interpretatie van het geloof en dat betekent dat dat geloof wel degelijk iets te maken heeft met die zelfmoordacties. Dat geldt ook voor die vreselijke christenen van toen. Volgden die de lessen van Jezus? Nauwelijks, maar hun geloof was wel de drijfveer van hun geweld, dus houd ik dat geloof verantwoordelijk voor wat haar volgelingen doen. Als een geloof KAN dienen als drijfveer voor geweld, is er iets mis met dat geloof. Punt. En er WAS ook iets mis met het christendom... tot de verlichting.
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  2090.  @Enwabi  Dit gaat niet om hooligans van Ajax, maar de SPELERS van Ajax. Als heel de christelijke beweging totaal verrot is dan is er geen onderscheid meer te maken tussen de goede en slechte christenen. De conclusie waar jij op uit zou moeten komen met jouw redenatie is dat het christendom niet eens bestond tot aan de renaissance en verlichting, omdat het daarvoor allemaal "hooligans" waren. Ooit gehoord van de "no true scotsman" drogredenering? Die gebruiken moslims ook altijd om hun "hooligans" goed te praten. Nee, als geweld zo wijdverspreid is en zo onderdeel is van de beweging dan is die beweging zélf verantwoordelijk. Dan gaat het niet om een paar hooligans aan de zijlijn, maar om de spelers zelf die verrot zijn geraakt. Dit is anders van de voorbeelden die jij noemt omdat de nazi's e.d. niet deden wat ze deden uit naam van atheïsme; zij deden het uit naam van hun ideologie. Net zoals christenen en moslims geweld gebruikten (of voor de moslims; gebruiken) in naam van hun ideologie. Dat iemand atheist/christen/etc. is, betekent niet dat alles wat die persoon doet voortvloeit uit dat geloof. Een goed voorbeeld zijn de christenen die geheel tegen de wil van de kerk in onderdeel waren van een beweging die de heidense kunst weer deden opleven. Dat waren christenen die ipv christelijke taferelen te schilderen en christelijke teksten te schrijven terug gingen naar het schilderen van heidense goden en teksten met heidens karakter en zich lieten inspireren door heidense architectuur- en kunsttechnieken. De wereld is niet zo eendimensionaal als jij hem presenteert. En nogmaals; waar denk jij dat de beeldenstorm over ging? Puristen onder christenen vonden dat wij weer te heidens waren geworden. Net als de christenen in de Oudheid dachten zei dat Europese kunst op zichzelf al afgoderij/duivels was en dat moest allemaal kapot. Net als hoe ISIS al die oude beelden kapot maakte. Fundamentalistische christenen zijn hetzelfde. Jij weet dit waarschijnlijk niet want in jouw simpele hoofd is het christendom het grote goed en het heidendom duivels of zo, maar het overgrote deel van de kunst uit de Oudheid is vernietigd. De beelden die wij nu in musea kunnen zien zijn niet de beste stukken, niet de mooiste, maar de stukken die de christenen hebben OVERLEEFD. Vaak gaat het om beelden die zijn verstopt en eeuwen later pas weer zijn gevonden, anders waren ook die beelden vernietigd door fanatieke christenen. Het christendom van vandaag is niet meer het fundamentalistische christendom van toen, en dat hebben wij te danken aan de renaissance van klassiek Europese waarden, normen en cultuur en de verlichting die wetenschap en humanisme boven geloof plaatste. Je weet wat christenen zelfs met elkaar deden in brute religieuze oorlogen en slachterijen tussen protestanten en katholieken, massale vernietiging van kunst in de beeldenstorm, maar je ontkent wat ze met de voor-christelijke Europeanen hebben gedaan en met de klassieke kunst. Geschiedontkenner. Er waren zelfs hele kruistochten om Europeanen te bekeren met geweld. Onze voorouders moesten óf bekeren óf werden onthoofd. Zie hier een voorbeeld van zo'n kruistocht: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades Wat betreft zelfmoord en de islam; "Don't kill yourself. No doubt Allah (swt) is merciful and anyone who does so, will be pushed in fire. And it is easy for Allah (swt)." (Nisa: 4:29, 4:30) "Whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, he will be tortured in hell with the same weapon". (Hadith nr 1) "Whoever strangles himself with a rope, he will keep on strangling himself until being burnt in hell. And he who killed himself with a spear, he will keep on being killed by spear until he is sent to hell." (Hadith nr 2) Dit wordt in meerdere teksten herhaald. Dus... zelfmoordterroristen zijn geen moslims? Ik denk van wel... iedereen die uit naam van een geloof iets doet, ongeacht of dit tegen de theorie van dat geloof in gaat of niet, draagt slechts zijn eigen interpretatie van dat geloof uit. En dat kan dat geloof worden aangerekend.
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  2119. If Socialism allows for extensive privatisation, then what exactly is the difference between modern day Europe (social democracies) and Nazi Germany, apart from the obvious fascism/democracy differences? Are we socialists? The problem is; when do we call something capitalism with socialist elements and when socialism with capitalistic elements? I think calling National Socialism a form of Socialism is fair, because it had many socialist elements within it and allowed the government to direct the production output of even private companies on demand. What I think is the most problematic about your last video is how you equate it with the USSR. Stalin turned the USSR into a command economy, a completely planned economy. Stalin took away land from farmers so as to collectivise agriculture. Hitler privatised companies and even let them compete in a capitalistic style, but when deemed in the interest for the greater good of the German people the government could place an order with a company (this was for profit, but repeated non-compliance could have nationalisation of the company as a result). Hitler also did the exact opposite with farmers: he did not take it away from them, but forced them to keep it as property and forbade selling of land. In short, the USSR was collectivising and factually taking control over the means of production, or at least the grand majority of it, and National Socialism was privatising but increasing government control over private corporations. Both were trying to achieve a socialist society in which the means of production served the common good, BUT both went about it in a radically different way. National Socialism is a bit of a strange one because it allowed capitalism style freedom for companies, BUT increased government soft power over companies. It is like a conditional capitalism. You get capitalistic freedoms, but only if you occasionally (?) serve the general interest of the German people instead of just your own profit interests. The companies did what they need to do to contribute to the socialist society, and when they were "off duty" they had the full capitalist freedoms. I think you could place National Socialism between Capitalism and Socialism on the political spectrum, but it is mainly socialist. I'd say it's like modern day social democracies but the other way around: mainly socialist, with capitalist elements. Alternatively, one could say that National Socialism was capitalism with very heavy socialistic government intervention (capitalism, unless the government orders you to do X or Y). Best place would be between Capitalism and Socialism on the political spectrum
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  2139.  @aheroyaheroyalproductions7631  Het moet terug naar een punt waar we kunnen spreken van een bepaalde balans tussen mens en natuur. Dat houdt in ieder geval in dat wij niet de natuurlijke cyclus doorbreken door alle wolven uit te moorden waardoor er geen roofdieren meer zijn voor herten e.d., dat wij niet met landbouwgif, gefabriceerd eiwitrijk gras dat nutteloos is voor insecten en stikstofverzadiging insecten, vogels en bepaalde planten heftig bedreigen en dat wij niet 99% van de grond in Nederland claimen voor (uitsluitend) gebruik door de mens. Er hangt geen duidelijk getal of referentiepunt aan de term "balans", daar heb je gelijk in, maar wat je in ieder geval niet kan ontkennen is dat op dit moment de balans totaal zoek is. De ultieme balans vanuit het perspectief van de natuur is uiteraard dat mensen onderdeel uitmaken van de natuur als gelijke van dieren, oftewel als jager-verzamelaars, maar dat is zoals je zegt een idealistisch sprookje dat niet meer dan misschien een paar honderd duizend mensen zou kunnen voeden, zo niet nóg minder. Voor mij betekent balans dat wij doen wat we willen, tot het punt dat wij de balans van de natuur doorbreken. Dus om terug te komen op het historische voorbeeld van de wolven; zo veel jagen als we willen, tot het punt dat dat een gevaar op zou kunnen leveren voor de natuurlijke balans tussen roofdier en prooi. Voor zover wolven bijvoorbeeld wel eens vee van boeren lastig vallen hebben wij dat te accepteren en is dat geen reden om heel de natuur naar de kloten te helpen (wel kun je boeren compenseren of ze helpen hun vee te beschermen). Dat wij dieren/planten een redelijk aandeel van de Nederlandse grond gunnen om normaal te kunnen leven. Dat wij voorkomen dat wij bepaalde stoffen gebruiken/uitstoten tot op het punt dat dat de omgeving onleefbaar maakt voor bepaalde dieren/insecten. Dat boeren zo natuurvriendelijk mogelijk te werk gaan. Niet al te veel gevraagd lijkt mij, dat laat een redelijk breed veld over voor mensen. Het enige waar ik misschien meer zou vragen is op het punt van immigratie. 100.000+ netto extra mensen per jaar is onhoudbaar vanuit het perspectief van de huizen die wij erbij moeten bouwen (100.000 is het inwonersaantal van steden als Delft, Deventer of Leeuwarden). Dat moet drastisch naar beneden, ten minste tot op het punt van behoud van het huidige populatie niveau (dus alleen migratie tot op het punt dat het ons krimp-veroorzakende geboortecijfer van 1.8 of zo bijvult tot een neutraal niveau en als we een positief geboortecijfer van 2.0+ zouden hebben, geen netto immigratie). We zijn al overbevolkt en moeten al veel te veel bij bouwen, al dan niet ten koste van natuur, en daar hoeft niets bij te komen. Op een gegeven moment moet het klaar zijn en wat mij betreft is dat moment nu. Anders wordt straks heel Nederland de randstad, bij wijze van.
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  2148. Inderdaad vreemd. Hier wordt een soort karikatuur van de geschiedenis gemaakt met de "slechte" Europeanen en de "slachtoffers" in Afrika. De "slechteriken" moeten hun excuses dan maar aanbieden. Maar zo simpel ligt het verleden zelden. Anti-slavernijbewegingen, dat waren "wij" ook. En het is ook niet zonder betekenis dat juist die anti-slavernijbewegingen ondanks de economische belangen die wij in slavernij hadden en de macht van de corporaties die zich daarmee bezig hielden, de discussie binnen Europa wonnen en de bevolking en de regering achter zich kregen. Dat is iets om trots op te zijn. 99% van de Nederlanders heeft niets met slavernij te maken gehad, we hebben hier in Europa nooit zwarte slaven gehouden. Grote corporaties als de WIC deden dit in de kolonies en voor de willekeurige burger was dit een ver van mijn bed show. Dat betekent niet dat wij als land geen verantwoordelijkheden hadden om hier tegenin te gaan ipv gemakzuchtig het geld in ontvangst te nemen, maar dit is wel een belangrijke nuance. Een andere belangrijke nuance is de rol van Afrikanen zelf in de slavenhandel. Wij stalen namelijk niet zomaar mensen mee, we kochten de slaven "legaal" volgens lokale gebruiken. De modus operandi was zo: in West Afrika zou bijvoorbeeld Nederland één stam ondersteunen met geld en wapens en Groot-Brittannië een rivaliserende stam. Die stammen vochten met elkaar en de stam die won maakten de anderen tot slaaf, om vervolgens aan de Europese macht te verkopen die hun ondersteunde. Dit creëerde een grote markt voor slaven waaraan veel stammen meededen om geld en macht te vergaren. Daarnaast was er natuurlijk ook de Arabische en lokale Afrikaanse slavenhandel, waarin Afrikaanse stammen ook nog slaven verkochten. Dus die goed/slecht tweedeling is helemaal niet zo passend. De realiteit is zoals gewoonlijk grijs. We zijn het er allemaal over eens dat het vreselijk was, maar dit "blank versus zwart" idee van slavernij moet echt stoppen. En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over het idee dat de nakomelingen van daders allerlei vergoedingen en excuses verschuldigd zijn aan de nakomelingen van slachtoffers, wat op zichzelf al problematisch is. De westerse slavernij van toen is wellicht te vergelijken met het dumpen van afval door grote multinationals van vandaag en ander wangedrag in derdewereldlanden. Ja het zijn onze bedrijven, ja ze brengen geld en meer terug naar ons en ja dat gaat (deels) gepaard met serieus wangedrag in derdewereldlanden waar wij voor wegkijken (willens en wetens of gewoon omdat wij er geen aandacht aan besteden). Het gebeurt nog steeds. Kunnen we niet beter kijken naar wat er vandaag gebeurt? Wat "wij" (lees: onze internationale bedrijven) voor winstbejag doen in het buitenland en wat wij kunnen doen om dat wangedrag tot een minimum te beperken? Maar nee, in de plaats daarvan duiken we het verleden in om een totaal betekenisloze excuses aan te bieden. Er is zoveel wat wij vandaag kunnen doen, en daar worden we van afgeleid door dit soort initiatieven. Gebruik de anti-slavernijbeweging als inspiratie om moderne problemen op te lossen ipv de slavernij als een middel om Europeanen een (misplaatst) schuldgevoel aan te praten. Positief, niet negatief.
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  2151. 44:45 What is this? Someone who actually sees that corporations are incompatible with anarchism? Now I respect you even more, TIK, even if I'm more of a leftie. I'd sign up for such a society for sure. Still have a few points though. I actually watched the video by the way, so what follows is constructive. I do have to say I don't quite agree with your definitions of socialism and capitalism. I definitely admire your view of corporations being public in and of themselves, but being public is not the same thing as being socialist. I feel like your statement there is a bit too general and misses some nuances. Socialism as an ideology, encompasses a lot more than simply public control over the means of production. A corporation is a public entity in the sense of it being a body of multiple people functioning within said corporation (which indeed also makes the government a corporation), but capitalism nor socialism is opposed to the simple idea of a group of individuals banding together to form corporations. What socialism is against is the capitalists within this system being able to have ownership of that corporation and thereby also the labour of the workers within said corporation. Socialism wants every individual to be the owner of their own labour and wants to abolish the very idea of being able to own a company beyond your share of actual labour within said company. Whether you have an economy with worker-owned corporations or an economy with individuals owning their own labour, that is socialist because everyone in society owns the means of production by their own share of labour. Capitalism is a system based on the concept of capitalist investors being able to buy (parts of) a company, including the labour of the workers there (you buy labour by entering into a wage contract) and those singular investors reaping the profits of the labour done at that company. Because the workers don't own their own labour, but are instead selling it for a set wage, the net value that they create does not go to them as workers, but to the capitalist that owns their labour. These profits are then used to further invest in that company or invest elsewhere (or to get a huge pay for the capitalists as individuals), enacting economic growth/expansion. The idea of capitalism is that this benefits both the investors and the wage workers. The workers get a deal they agreed on (socialists would argue that it is not a choice because the market sets their wages and the entire point of the market is to keep those wages as low as they can possibly be without losing the worker to a competitor who pays better). The capitalists get the full reward for making the business possible in the first place and ensure that the economy expands, offering opportunities for more and more workers to get a wage as well as fulfilling in the needs of as many consumers as possible. Other characteristics are a (more or less) free market, (more or less) free private ownership, competition and more. There is nothing in capitalism that opposes the creation of corporations either. Corporations can exist in a capitalist as well as socialist setting, depending on how ownership within that corporation is organised. If either the state (representing the "proletariat") or all workers employed at that corporation owns the company, it is socialist. If individuals, not in their capacity as workers, but in their private interests as investors own a company, that is capitalist. Same for the state; it can exist both in a capitalist and socialist setting. You already know how it exists in a socialist setting by examples of authoritarian socialism seen in f.e. the USSR. But state intervention in the free market and capitalism? It all depends on the nature of that intervention. A state can nationalise industry for the sake of abolishing class conflict (auth. socialist), but a state can also partake in a capitalist economy by f.e. buying shares in a company or simply buying pencils from a corporation. In the same way an individual can own a company either as a capitalist investor (representing their own individual interest) or as one of many workers collectively owning the company they work at (being part of the socialist principle of collective ownership of one's own labour), a state can act either as a neutral actor on the capitalist market or as a facilitator of socialist principles. A state buying pencils from a company is not socialist. Even a state putting into place regulations on the free market to prevent big corporations from dominating the market is not socialist; they are simply regulating a capitalist market with the intention of protecting the capitalist principle of competition regulating market prices (which would be drowned out if a state of monopoly or oligarchy is achieved by big corporations). So your specific view of capitalism, which you call "true" capitalism, is not the only iteration of capitalism. There are man forms of it (as there are many forms of socialism) and yours is merely one of them. Probably the one I find the most admirable form, but that's besides the point.
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  2153.  @boketto9521  In this case it's not even about racism. It's about the lasting effect of past racism causing situations for black people in which they are eventually more likely to enter into criminality or make other bad decisions causing them to be incarcerated more. The causal chain is there, but it's too long to call it actual racism. People are incredibly uninformed because even though they don't harbour any bad feelings towards black people, they're still called racist. If social justice activists would simply explain that because of past racism, black people today still live in an environment that systematically causes them to fall behind in society and that true equality would only be attained by lifting everyone out of that disadvantaged environment, I'm sure many more people would actually understand. Now it's just a cesspool of the term "racist" being thrown around and the recipients going into full-on defensive mode because they feel attacked. It's the dumbest strategy ever to try and attain social justice for black people. 99% of the anti-SJW crowd are not racists, but people who are absolutely oblivious to the lasting effect of past racism and how unfair it is to allow this situation to continue. Not being aware of the way past racism continues to affect the future and not seeing much actual open racism right now, they theorise it must just be themselves or their culture driving black people to criminality and such. They don't need big terms thrown at them to reaffirm their beliefs that social justice activists are just nutty ideologues who have an insanely exaggerated definition of big words like racism and sexism, they need people to actually explain why black people are so terribly disadvantaged to this day and how this is linked to racism.
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  2157. +Karel de Kale Ja ik zal het weten, ik ben zelf een rechtenstudent in Utrecht. Alle vakken met een internationaal karakter worden in het engels gedoceerd, zoals internationaal, Europees recht of vergelijkend recht. En ja ik ben al wel een paar buitenlandse docenten tegengekomen, hoewel de overgrote meerderheid (ook binnen de engelstalige vakken) gewoon Nederlands is. Maar rechtsgeleerdheid valt heel erg mee vergeleken met de rest. Een vriend van mij studeert technische natuurkunde in Delft en 100% van zijn vakken worden in het engels gegeven en buitenlandse docenten zijn ook niet zeldzaam. Een vriendin van mij studeert een geneeskundige studie (ben even de exacte naam kwijt) in Eindhoven en ook die krijgt veelal in het engels les. En ja ik moet zelf ook bekennen dat als ik iets internationaalrechtelijk moet uitleggen in het Nederlands, het soms moeilijk is de juiste termen te vinden omdat ik het allemaal in het engels ken. Dus voor buitenlandse toepassing is het handig, maar in Nederland zelf belemmert het in principe alleen maar hoe goed je ermee overweg kan. Nu is dit nog logisch voor internationaal recht of Europees recht, maar de gehele natuurkunde studie? Ja dat gaat toch wel ver. En ja dat zal voor internationale studenten worden gedaan denk ik. Ik heb ook een criminologie vak gevolgd en ik zat daar met twee Britse, twee Spaanse en nog veel meer buitenlandse studenten (meestal uit de EU) en een paar andere Nederlanders. De docente kon ook alleen maar engels en was niet Nederlands. Het gaat allemaal om internationale studenten en geld.
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  2179. You're missing one thing here... I live in the Netherlands and guess what's in the news here about the Defense Production act? Well, OUR companies (like Philips), providing YOU with jobs by setting up factories in the US, came to our government with the message that they fear the Americans would invoke the Defense Production act to claim all ventilators they produce, leaving Europeans to DIE. Right now they're working overtime to provide both the EU and the US with crucial equipment, but the Defense Production act could mean that all of that equipment is used only for the US. Making sure more equipment is produced by telling companies what's needed is all well and good. Claiming the production of your own companies is all well and good. But claiming the production of OUR companies? No. Just know that there will be countermeasures if the US goes through with this. Right now the production is distributed fairly across the US and EU markets. Should the US choose to claim it all of themselves, well... critical components of those ventilators are made in the EU. We will claim EU production for local use as well and watch as the production in the US grinds to a halt. With the deaths of both Europeans and Americans as a result. Either the production of our companies is fairly distributed, or there is no production at all. You can't do this without consequences. Proceed carefully, use the Defense Production act only where it doesn't deprive the EU of vital equipment made by EU companies abroad.
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  2196. @CryptoPower Ik ben het helemaal eens met je uitleg van de geschiedenis, maar niet je conclusie. Zwarte piet begon in voor-christelijke tijd als niet-racistisch, is toen op een gegeven moment een racistische karikatuur geworden, maar sinds de jaren 60-70 zijn die racistische kenmerken weggehaald en is zwarte piet niet meer racistisch. Het simpele zwartschminken van je gezicht is niet racistisch. Dat is waar de discussie om gaat. Bepaalde activisten geloven dat het zwart verven van je gezicht in welke context dan ook een racistische blackface is. "Mijn huidskleur is geen kostuum", zeggen ze dan. https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/231134/Bedreigingen-om-racistische-make-up-Ze-zouden-mijn-kinderen-iets-aandoen Ik vind dat als men zwarte piet racisme vindt, goed onderbouwd moet worden waarom de huidige zwarte piet een racistische karikatuur is in plaats van een kindervriend met zwarte schmink. De origine noch de huidige versie van zwarte piet zou ik als racistisch kenmerken. Ik zie dat anti zwarte piet demonstranten vooral vergelijkingen maken met óf blackfacing uit de Amerikaanse geschiedenis (het belachelijk maken van zwarte mensen) óf de geschiedenis van zwarte piet zelf (hetgeen we al lang hebben veranderd om niet meer racistisch te zijn). De vergelijking gaat gewoon niet op. De simpele handeling om je gezicht zwart te verven is niet gelijk een blackface karikatuur. Ik vind dit soort gedrag veel te ver gaan en iets wat we absoluut niet moeten belonen. Het moment dat men aan kan tonen dat zwarte piet in de huidige vorm racistisch is zal ik accepteren dat hij zal veranderen. Tot dat moment is het enige wat ik zie een valse vergelijking met blackface "omdat zwarte schmink".
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  2211.  @brianlong2334  The fact that you're even trying to argue that North Africa could not have been won without the US is absurd and shows how incredibly biased you really are. Firstly, Operation Torch was not an American but an Anglo-American operation, so again very nice show of your bias that you imply the US did everything there. Secondly, your mention of Torch is funny because the Vichy French offered very little resistance and despite this the lacklustre American performance was the direct reason why an early invasion of France was delayed as Churchill wanted it to be. There was a big strategic fight over this between the British and Americans and the US performance on the Torch landings (despite being an overall success) were the deciding factor in the British winning this strategic fight and dragging the US along the 'soft underbelly of Europe' before launching D-day (by the way, even by 1943 in Italy, Commonwealth forces were still 2/3rd of the Allied presence in Europe). Thirdly, the American presence in Torch was not necessary at all. It was used as a propaganda tool to appease the French. Churchill even planned to have British soldiers wear American uniforms! Several RN ships did fly the US flag during this operation to mask their British affiliation. Normally this would have been a British landing that the UK could have managed with ease. For political and strategic reasons, the US was involved (whom by the way from the beginning didn't want to be involved in this 'soft underbelly of Europe' idea of Churchill and wanted to go straight for France). So the idea that the US was unmissable here is also simply wrong. I don't think you're aware of the real strategic and logistical background of these things. You just mention random numbers to pad what the Americans did, seemingly. While ignoring British accomplishments of course. Rather weak argument. You even unknowingly mention operations that directly argue against the Americans. Your only good point is the Shermans that the British used I suppose. But honestly, selling something to someone and then saying "without my help you wouldn't have succeeded" is a bad argument too. It was a regular business deal, no 'help'. And it's disputable that without Shermans North Africa would've ended differently. Montgomery had a ridiculous supply/equipment advantage in this theatre due to British logistical supremacy in the area. I don't think NA could have ended in any other way than a British victory unless serious strategic mistakes were made on British side and the Germans made perfect use of the available supplies. So very unrealistic to imply the British would have lost without US support.
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  2213.  @brianlong2334  The Royal Navy is preoccupied with what exactly? In this timeline the largest naval battle in history, mainly fought by the RN, does not take place. Would you have the RN protect non-existent trade routes between the US and UK and Germany invest a fortune in subs that have no strategic value whatsoever because their entire raison d'être was to disrupt US trade that simply isn't there in this scenario? Again very disingenuous arguing. Your entire argument hinges on the ridiculous idea that while Britain gets none of the American goods they bought, they still spent all the resources they did in real life purchasing said goods and protecting the trade routes. Which was a massive endeavour. Truth is that the UK would be sitting on a huge treasury they would be doing something else with (f.e. building factories) and a huge part of the RN that IRL was engaged in the Atlantic, could be used elsewhere. You can't assume all the positives of the US-UK trade are gone, while assuming all the negatives of it still exist. UK gifts its entire treasury to the US for nothing? UK deploys huge part of RN in the Atlantic to protect... nothing? Germany produces tons of submarines to disrupt nonexistant US trade shipping? That purchasing and protecting American goods was the easiest and/or most efficient way the British thought they could spend their treasury on the war effort, does not mean that there were no alternatives to use those resources to aid the war effort. That US trade disappears does not mean the British sit on a massive pile of gold thinking "oh well, can't use this for the war effort now" or look at the RN aimlessly wandering the Atlantic thinking "damn, wish we could use this huge fleet elsewhere". The UK would use their funds and the available resources to replace what the US would have given them, to the best of their ability. At the worst, they'd get less equipment for the same money they spent IRL, but they would not get nothing . The idea that they can't even get 500 landing craft because IRL they chose to rely on the US is ridiculous. And lesser known facts are that f.e. the British had a million men in the Middle East to counter a possible German invasion through Turkey for oil. All these resources were used this way, because the US could be relied on in the Western front. If things were different, different choices would be made. Maybe they would instead choose to leave the Middle Eastern oil protected by a much smaller force and use those men in the Western front. Maybe the UK would withdraw from North Africa instead of leaving a lot of men there to keep order. Things like this you also have to keep in mind. In the hypothetical situation that Britain would choose to withdraw from the Middle East and risk German invasion, they could have about 70% of the total real life Allied presence (US+UK) with UK troops alone. Another thing is that the UK never even bothered to start conscription in f.e. India. Maybe they would have in this timeline, scraping the barrel like the USSR had to. IRL they didn't want to do this unless absolutely necessary because overusing the Empire would make its collapse likely. Maybe in this timeline they would go all out and weaken the Empire regardless because it was their only choice. Post WW2, the British Empire would then have collapsed even sooner. All these options you're ignoring. Just acting like the exact same choices would be made but without US equipment and men available. Ignoring that obviously different choices would have been made in this situation. So yes, I agree with you that if Britain magically bankrupts itself getting no trade in return, lets the brunt of the Royal Navy float aimlessly in the Atlantic protecting nothing and generally chooses to use NONE of the alternatives available to them if they miss out on an American alliance, they would lose the war. Problem is that that "if" is borderline insane. Just the fact that you say the UK needs US ships and supplies for D-day and in the same breath dare to say the RN could not be used because "their job" is to protect the very supplies you say aren't going to Britain to begin with is telling enough to know that you're incredibly biased.
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  2243.  @shmeet  "Not sure i follow. What's the difference compared to just "discussion"? Why "democratic" discussion?" The point of the marketplace for ideas and plurality of ideas is to facilitate democracy. We have freedom of speech for the sole purpose of preventing the plurality of ideas that works as the groundwork of democracy to be damaged. It exists to ensure that within democracy different ideas can clash in discussion and the best and/or most supported idea ideally comes out on top. The democratic discourse is the discussion of ideas that decide the political future of our societies. Not all political ideas are acceptable within a democratic rule of law. Me wanting to vote on taking away YOUR democratic rights or even your very life, non-negotiable . There are limits to the ideas that can be part of the democratic discourse. Advocating for literal genocide is not a negotiable thing within a democratic rule of law; there are certain absolute limits to how far ideas may encroach upon citizens' human rights. Since those ideas are not accepted within the democratic discourse and since freedom of speech exists for the sole purpose of protecting the democratic discourse, it doesn't make sense to invoke freedom of speech for ideas that were never meant to be protected by it in the first place. "All that does is force the radicals underground. It doesn't stop the ideas from spreading, it makes them appear credible and the ones involved (...) That precedent must never be allowed." It does force radicals towards the underground... and denies them an audience for their ideas. It places as many obstacles in their way as possible to spread their ideology, which ensures that the broader populace is unlikely to ever become radical. They may communicate secretly in the open, but they won't radicalise the broader populace that doesn't understand their dog whistles. Their secret communication only serves to signal their beliefs to other radicals that are already aware of the dogwhistles so they may congregate, not to spread their ideology among the broader populace. We keep a watchful eye on them and force them to the underground. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, keeping a watchful eye on someone is useless if you're not actually going to do anything if you spot their ideology. If they are succesful, all you can do under absolute freedom of speech is be "watchful" of how they spread their ideology and grow, coming closer and closer to enacting their genocidal ideas by the day. Radical terrorist muslims that attempt to spread their filth among other muslims do not need to be "watched", they need to be actively prevented in their endeavour to spread their violent ideology and watched. Watching is meaningless if you don't connect action to it. Your idea of a "watchful eye" is tantamount to condoning their growth , with all due consequences if they manage to grow enough to pose a societal problem. And freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of thought. Everyone is free to think absolutely everything. They are free to be nazi's and congregate amongst themselves (though should matters get serious enough, at least the congregation could be banned too). They are not free to spread their ideology, however. There is a difference between passively thinking/believing and actively spreading. There also is not a "precedent" we're setting. There will be no further limitation of freedom of speech than speech that spreads violent or otherwise unacceptable ideologies. There is no slippery slope, there is a clear and robust line we're drawing in the sand: no anti-democratic ideologies, no violent ideologies. That's it. This is not a "precedent" to anything. You're using a slippery slope fallacy there.
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  2247.  @Imaculata  Zo werkt het niet. Er zijn mensen die om gerechtvaardigde redenen ergens aanstoot aan nemen en mensen die aanstoot nemen aan de meest onbenullige dingen. Het onderscheid tussen die twee zit 'm in de argumentatie daarachter. Je kan echt niet stellen dat aanstoot nemen aan dit: https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/231134/Bedreigingen-om-racistische-make-up-Ze-zouden-mijn-kinderen-iets-aandoen Hetzelfde is als aanstoot nemen aan de Amerikaanse blackface met de zeer racistische context daarachter. Het hele punt van blackface is om zwarte mensen belachelijk te maken, dus dat is aantoonbaar beledigend. Maar als we het hebben over die make-upwedstrijd waar ik naar linkte, dan zie je dat daar totaal geen racistische context aan kleeft en de bedoelingen achter die make-up ook totaal niks met zwarte mensen te maken hebben, dus in die context wordt het heel moeilijk om te verdedigen dat dat beledigend is. Context is belangrijk en niet elke claim van racisme is even begrijpelijk. Sommige mensen stellen zich aan en zien overal racisme in; hun mening is minder waard omdat hun gevoel niet is gestoeld op een logisch argument. Hysterie over vermeend racisme is niet hetzelfde als écht racisme. Het onderscheid tussen de twee is te maken dmv argumenten en logica. En verder verdient opmerking dat massa-hysterie nog steeds hysterie is. Dat verandert niets. Als mensen bij wijze van spreken een zwarte kraai racistisch vinden en alle kraaien willen verwijderen, om maar iets geks te noemen, dan maakt het NIETS uit hoeveel mensen dat vinden, het zal altijd een dom en verkeerd standpunt blijven. Massa verandert niets aan de waarde van het argument. En daar zou jij het ook mee eens moeten zijn want de massa in NL gelooft dat ZP NIET racistisch is. De vraag is dus waar het figuur van Zwarte Piet moet worden geplaatst. Dat is niet een kwestie van hoeveel mensen ZP wel of niet aanstootgevend vinden, maar een kwestie van logisch beredeneren waarom de figuur aanstootgevend zou zijn en wat voor veranderingen nodig zijn om dat te verhelpen. Gelukkig is de overgrote meerderheid in NL gevoelig voor dergelijke argumenten en houdt slechts een kleine minderheid koste wat kost vast aan Zwarte Piet, dus mits de argumenten goed zijn zou KOZP met succes de meerderheid moeten kunnen overhalen. In dat opzicht faalt KOZP. Dan is mijn conclusie dat ze onvoldoende kunnen onderbouwen waarom Zwarte Piet racistisch zou zijn.
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  2255.  @marca7542  Better for them than a nationalist Ukraine trying to solidify its national identity and force it on minorities. This does not excuse an invasion of course, but it's true that Ukraine isn't all too nice to their minorities, especially not after the US-backed coup. I detest both Russian and American imperialism in the region, but I do think that independence for Ukrainian regions that want it would be a good thing. Because they are minorities that do not want to deal with a nationalist Ukraine trying to impose their national identity on them and they have historically divided Ukraine along pro-EU and pro-Russia lines. Splitting up Ukraine across pro-EU and pro-Russia lines would not be a bad outcome for Ukrainians imo. They would be left with a fiercely pro-EU west that eventually could gain membership and would politically be a lot more unified. And the pro-Russian east could do what it wants as well. Overall, trying to put a bunch of ethnic groups with very different geopolitical aspirations into one country is a bad idea. Especially not if you mix it with nationalism. For years this fierce split between pro-EU and pro-Russia has deeply divided Ukraine, with sometimes the pro-Russians gaining a small majority and other times the pro-EU side. That is politically not stable at all and one side always loses out significantly. And I don't care for Russian/American imperialist interests here, but Russia would have its buffer state between NATO and their borders and the US would have its desired NATO expansion eastwards. So hopefully this would put the imperialist grandstanding to rest as well. Above all I wish all these nations would quit their imperialist bullshit, but that unfortunately will not happen. US wants to for some reason expand its global dominance even more and Russia just wants to retain the influence it has and maybe gain a bit here and there. And fuck the both of them.
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  2292. +Awesome Avenger It may have shortened the war but I think the way we left Libya behind is an absolute disgrace. I wasn't opposed to the intervention per se, but when we intervene it should produce results and an anarchy state with 4+ rebel factions perpetually fighting for control over the country is not what I call results. Besides that, the current state of Libya is almost the perfect opportunity to make sure it becomes a proper democratic state by intervening and of course shortening the fighting and suffering (and taking away a critical gateway for illegal migrants at that). We just didn't handle it correctly. The US fervently supplied the rebels and lengthened the war significantly. I blame them for destabilising a country so close to Europe and yes I partially blame them for the refugee crisis. They should've known it would go out of hand there when Russia came in. What did they want? Another 10 year proxy war like Cold War times? Come on... Well they got it, but the weapons supplier lost this time. We should NOT support such bloody conflicts. I'd much rather have seen no intervention at all and a swift end to the fighting or perhaps a full-on boots on the ground intervention if they were willing to risk American lives. The supplying has caused a long and bloody conflict as well as a refugee crisis, and in the end Assad wins anyway to top it all off. Well done USA, you're a wonderful ally as always. Sometimes I feel like they do us more harm than good... Clearly the Russian one. It may have been a lengthy intervention, but it produced results. We swiftly rid ourselves of Gaddafi and yes, good riddance, but we still don't know what kind of state Libya will become. Will it be a free democracy or perhaps another dictator? And will that dictator be friendly to Europe? We simply don't know. It's a mess. It didn't cost us much, but it doesn't feel right. Perhaps we should intervene a bit more extensively there to guide the process towards it being a democracy. Well, Ukraine is a buffer state to the EU and Russia, as free as it may be. I live in the Netherlands, where we had a referendum about the association treaty and yes, the main objectives to befriend Ukraine was to have a buffer state between the EU and Russia, as well as increase trade. It was one of the main arguments of the pro-treaty/government camp. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but in getting our defence in order we still work with buffer states and whatnot. Libya was also partly done because we want stable countries at our borders (this one backfired spectacularly, however. As did Ukraine, now that I think about it)
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  2302.  @greedokenobi3855  Ik bedoelde buitenlanders als in mensen die niet in NL woonachtig zijn. Het was een respons op een comment over de VN die het allemaal maar racistisch vond. Ik besteed geen aandacht aan buitenlanders die van grote afstand naar tradities van anderen kijken en het meteen racistisch noemen. Dat doet me niks, zeker niet als ze nog een stap verder gaan en zeggen dat het veranderd moet worden. Als zwarte piet wordt aangepast wordt dat gedaan door bezwaren van mensen de hier zijn en er echt last van hebben en niemand anders. Dan moeten die bezwaren trouwens wel goed beargumenteerd zijn. Verandering van cultuur gebeurt vanuit de samenleving zelf en niet anders. Ik moet overigens wel zeggen dat mijn comment ook toepassing heeft op sommige anti zwarte piet demonstranten in NL. Die zien iets wat enigszins op blackface lijkt en stellen het dan meteen gelijk met blackface, terwijl de waarheid veel genuanceerder ligt. Dat zijn mensen zoals in dit nieuwsitem niet lang geleden: https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/231134/Bedreigingen-om-racistische-make-up-Ze-zouden-mijn-kinderen-iets-aandoen Ik zat een talkshow te kijken waarin een activiste bij hoog en laag beweerde dat deze make-up racistisch was en zei voorts "mijn huidskleur is geen kostuum", het is gewoon te belachelijk voor woorden. Er zijn tegenwoordig veel mensen die overal racisme achter zien en daarom vind ik dat ook voor zwarte piet het simpele klagen erover niet genoeg is; de klachten moeten goed onderbouwd zijn.
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  2303. @La Honda Migratie is van alle tijdperken, maar op deze schaal en zulke afstanden absoluut niet. En je stopt daar wel heel veel woorden in mijn mond, waar haal je in godsnaam vandaan dat ik wil dat anderen minder rechten hebben? En over cultuur, het gaat niet alleen om verschillende culturen, maar ook de mate waarin culturen verschillen. Waarom denk je dat westerse migranten veel beter integreren en ook eerder worden geaccepteerd dan niet-westerse? Omdat hun cultuur al op die van ons lijkt. Hoe groter het verschil tussen culturen, hoe moeilijker het is samen door één deur te gaan. En dat is een feit. Als het ons niet lukt om samen op te trekken (en even voor de duidelijkheid, dat heb ik het liefst) blijft er maar één ding over: concluderen dat multiculturalisme heeft gefaald. We leven door multiculturalisme in een steeds meer gepolariseerde samenleving. Je kan zo veel naar de geschiedenis verwijzen als je wil, maar feit blijft dat als wij vandaag de dag geen multiculti samenleving hadden, één van de grootste politieke problemen en dé bron van verdeling in ons land er niet zou zijn. Ons land zou weer één zijn, zonder of in ieder geval met veel minder polarisatie. Een beter land. Multiculturalisme heeft ons niets goeds gebracht, behalve misschien wat economische groei. Economische groei die de negatieve effecten op onze samenleving totaal niet waard is. Diversiteit heeft nul komma nul waarde, behalve "is toch leuk?". Maar in de tussentijd is het wel een bron van veel conflict in onze samenleving. Mensen als jij verdedigen alles blindelings. Alles moet kritisch bekeken worden, ook multiculturalisme. En als je kijkt wat de voordelen en nadelen ervan zijn, kun je niet anders dan concluderen dat de nadelen het overwicht hebben. Probeer het maar eens, kritisch nadenken. En leg maar eens uit wat voor positiefs multiculturalisme ons brengt dat zwaarder weegt dan de polarisatie en verdeling die het zaait. Je kan lang zoeken, vrees ik.
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  2307.  @mwj8418  Het lijkt erop dat je simpelweg niet bekend bent met het concept van de militante democratie. De uitspraak van de HR past daar wel degelijk in. Het gaat erom dat wanneer een politieke partij de democratie wil afschaffen of een bepaald programma heeft dat de rechten van bepaalde individuen zodanig benadeelt dat dat onacceptabel is vanuit de rechtsstaat (zoals in het geval van de pedofilie partij; een gedachtegoed dat vanuit de rechtsstaat bezien onaanvaardbare inbreuken in de levenssfeer van kinderen beoogt te realiseren wordt niet geaccepteerd als onderdeel van de democratie en derhalve verboden). Of de HR dit zelf uitdrukkelijk in het arrest vermeldt of niet is irrelevant, zoals je weet zijn er veel juridische concepten die meer op de achtergrond spelen, zoals pluralisme als we het over doorwerking van internationaal recht hebben. Maar goed, het gaat er niet om of de vraag of de pedofilie zaak daar een specifiek voorbeeld van is, het gaat erom dat ik reageerde op een comment dat erop neer kwam dat het verbieden van politieke partijen niet mogelijk is vanwege democratische overwegingen en ik gaf enkele voorbeelden van gevallen waarin dit wel degelijk kan. Nazistische, communistische, shariapartijen en meer worden vanwege hun anti-democratische en/of onrechtsstatelijke karakter niet toegelaten tot het democratisch discours. Anders zouden we namelijk toestaan dat ondemocratische actoren de democratie zouden gebruiken met het enige doel om de democratie af te schaffen, zoals de Nazi partij dat deed in Duitsland. De democratie is in dit opzicht niet absoluut in die zin dat letterlijk alle denkbeelden worden toegelaten (dit was de heersende opvatting in de Jaren 30 en we weten allemaal hoe dat uitpakte). Jij noemde mij hierom een nep-jurist of iets in die trant maar dat klopt dus niet. Het is noemenswaardig om nog te zeggen dat het hier gaat om een staatsrechtelijk begrip (dat overigens ook niet al te vaak gebruikt wordt omdat dit uiteraard bijna nooit voor komt, los van een enkele uitzondering, waardoor de meeste juristen het niet zullen kennen), dus misschien heb je hier nog nooit van gehoord en dat zou ook niet zo gek zijn.
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  2325.  _𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰜_  This makes no sense. The Royal Navy was mainly deployed in the Atlantic to secure US trade routes. That entire section of the fleet (which would be massive as the Battle for the Atlantic is to date the largest naval battle in human history) would become available to fight Japan, plus probably more because Germany would have no need at all to invest in a navy (main reason for them was to disrupt US trade, it would be a waste of money to build subs to do... nothing of any strategic importance). You can't just ignore this. Or pretend like the Royal Navy would quadruple their Mediterranean patrols for... reasons, instead of facing Japan. They would not just do nothing. Even in real life, the British reinforced their Pacific fleet in 1945 to aid in the planned invasion of Japan. And by comparing its size to the American presence there, you can see that even while patrolling the Mediterranean, North Sea and Atlantic (now in lower numbers because the Battle for the Atlantic was essentially won) the British could afford to send a massive fleet East. The main fleet of the US in the Pacific was the Fast Carrier Task Force under Nimitz with 17 carriers, 6 battleships, 13 cruisers, 58 destroyers and in total 1100 aircraft. The British Pacific Fleet which joined up with that US fleet to attack Japan late war had 10 carriers, 4 battleships, 11 cruisers, 35 destroyers, 14 frigates and a total of 750 aircraft. Not too bad considering this is just the Pacific section of the Royal Navy, while still being active in other regions around Europe as well. While the US wasn't. The truth is that the US mainly handeled the Pacific naval theatre while the Royal Navy basically did the rest (which would be mainly Europe and the Atlantic). I.e. a fair distribution of the two main naval theatres. If a massive part of what the Royal Navy had as its task would not have been necessary, obviously a huge fleet could have been sent to Japan instead to fight them. As seen from the real life fleet the British sent to Japan as they were finishing up the war in Europe, they could and would send spare ships to Japan if available. Absense of the Battle for the Atlantic would mean that even more than the real life British Pacific Fleet would be available to fight Japan. Easily rivalling the US main Pacific fleet. Not surprising, because the Royal Navy and US navy were both extremely capable. RN a lot more in the beginning, while the US navy was more capable by the end of the war. Possibly the Japanese would ironically have to face a bigger and more advanced fleet if they had to face a more committed RN early on in the war...
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  2345. +s p Yes and at first they were allied with Nazi Germany to invade Poland together. Both Communism and Fascism were totalitarian ideologies that ended up murdering millions of people. And if you think having 20 million deaths is a good thing, think again. The war in the east and west was different, but both sides were extremely important. The east was bloody fighting, while the west was more strategic victories. You can see it in the casualties. In the east, the Soviets killed 4.5 million German soldiers and captured 2.8 million, totalling to 7.3 million German casualties. In the west, the allies killed about 700.000 Germans and captured 6.7 million, totalling 7.4 million German casualties. People always think Russia did more because the fighting was so fierce in the east, but both fronts were actually about equally important. The east was just a lot bloodier, while in the west the Germans were mostly oumanoeuvred and captured instead of fought until the last man. And by the way, before you brag about Berlin, look at a map. Great Britain was first in Germany, followed very soon after by the US. The Western allies had been in Germany for weeks while the USSR was still in Poland. Berlin was taken by the USSR for only one reason: it's located at the utmost eastern border of Germany. For the allies, taking Berlin meant they already had taken pretty much all of Germany before that... For Russia it was essentially enter Germany an the first thing you see is Berlin. Anyway, as I said both sides were equally important.
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  2347.  @goydepatriot283  Wat lul je nou? Mannen zijn geen uniforme wezens die altijd aan bepaalde eigenschappen voldoen. Het enige wat iemand tot man maakt is het biologisch man zijn. Voor de rest hebben mannen uiteenlopende persoonlijkheden en eigenschappen. Ja, doorgaans zijn dat kwaliteiten die jij noemt en die binnen onze samenleving als typisch "mannelijk" worden gezien. Maar dat betekent niet dat vrouwen niet ook die eigenschappen kunnen hebben (zie bijvoorbeeld Thatcher, die meer mannelijk was in haar persoonlijkheid dan de gemiddelde man), of dat er mannen bestaan die niet de typische mannelijke eigenschappen hebben. Thatcher was een vrouw, ongeacht of ze zich "vrouwelijk" gedroeg en die mannen waar je het over hebt zijn ook gewoon mannen. Ongeveer de helft van onze bevolking is qua persoonlijkheid overwegend "mannelijk", maar de fout die je maakt is om ervan uit te gaan dat iedereen die die eigenschappen heeft ook daadwerkelijk man is. De realiteit is dat alle persoonlijke eigenschappen zowel in mannen als vrouwen voorkomen, met enige regelmaat. De eigenschappen die wij "mannelijk" noemen worden slechts zo genoemd omdat de gemiddelde man die eigenschappen vaker heeft dan de gemiddelde vrouw. Maar er zijn heel veel vrouwen die ook die "mannelijke" eigenschappen hebben, of enkele daarvan. Je kent ze wel, de wat stoerdere types die je eigenlijk nog best vaak ziet. Dat zijn vrouwen die qua persoonlijkheid enkele mannelijke eigenschappen hebben en dat is volkomen normaal en ook veelvoorkomend. Hetzelfde geldt omgedraaid voor mannen. Dus je zit in dat opzicht onzin te praten. Je zit vast in dualistisch genderdenken. Geslacht en onze biologische verschillen zijn geen sociaal construct, maar gender is dat wel. Inclusief al die gendergekkies die denken dat ze een fluïde weetikveelwat zijn omdat ze een bepaalde persoonlijkheid hebben, wat totaal nergens op slaat. Geslacht bepaalt of je man of vrouw bent, niet "gender". En er zijn al helemaal geen derde, vierde, etc. genders. Je hebt je geslacht en je hebt je persoonlijkheid, dat is het. En als je als man niet de typisch mannelijke eigenschappen hebt ben je niet opeens man af. Maar dat terzijde, het kan ook dat mannen worden beïnvloed door een repressieve ideologie die mannelijke eigenschappen in toom wil houden (dat is waar het feminisme tot is uitgegroeid). Dus voor zover je daar op doelt heb je wel een punt. Dat kan zeker een invloed hebben op mannen die eigenlijk gewoon hun mannelijkheid niet naar behoren (kunnen) uiten.
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  2360. Mate, the EU is what is enabling us to stop migration in the first place. It was the EU that stopped the entire middle eastern migration stream with the Turkey deal. Do you think Greece by itself has enough leverage to get that done? No, but together we do. And right here on this video it is EU-backing that enables Italy to go to Libya and arrange that there will be more regional camps to prevent more migrants coming to Europe. Do you think Italy alone could have pulled that off? Together we are stronger and that's a fact. There is also no plan to "invade" Europe. The Kalergi plan was the EU, nothing more. The Kalergi plan is already fulfilled, 100%. The Kalergi plan hoax originates from one of his quotes, where he said he believed that in the distant future everyone would be mixed into some brown race. This was not one of his goals, just a stupid belief. And we will make sure it won't happen. The EU does whatever the member states dictate it to do, it is how the EU works. Italy finally called for the migration to stop, so they got together to speak about it. Do you think it was a coincidence that the Turkey deal happened under Dutch presidency of the EU, while back then the foremost goal of our government was to stop migration? The plan for the Turkey deal originated in our governemnt and we used the EU to get it done. In a few days, Austria will get the presidency and they already stated migration is the foremost thing they want to tackle. It's no coincidence that the EU will soon be working hard on finding a solution to the crisis...
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  2377.  Stefan Dingenouts  But they are a separate group. I bet disabled people would want to be part of the regular olympics as well, but fact of the matter is they are a separate group in terms of performance so they have to be part of a separate event. Transgender games are the best solution because they either fall behind competing against males or enjoy an unfair advantage against females. They're in many ways inbetween the two in terms of performance. I'm also a fan of keeping sports clear and structured instead of allowing everyone to compete in one event. Because if we do, we might also be able to argue that for example disabled men that perform similarly to women, may actually compete with women. Even if that is technically fair, I think sports are better off staying as structured as possible, presenting itself as a competition between roughly equal competitors, with skills and training being the main factor in who wins. If we go the "different but similar performance" route, with competitors all having their own strengths but ultimately a similar performance (i.e. the example of a double-amputee competing in regular sprinting, suffering from slow acceleration, yet having a clear advantage maintaining speed), I think the general public would find watching the sport less enjoyable. The point of sport is not so much the actual outcome, it is competing with someone who is equal to you. If it is no contest, it is no longer enjoyable. If it is a contest between vastly different competitors, it also starts losing some of the main qualities of sport. Compare it to those typical Top Gear races, if you will, where they pit for example a car against a mountain climber or some such. Yes, they set up the race in such a way that both would finish at a similar time and either could win, but no it doesn't feel like a "true" equal race anymore even though it is technically a fair competition in which either has a fair chance to win. This is not a scientific argument, of course, but I feel like for this reason the general public probably would not enjoy such a set up for sports.
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  2410. +Hashmat Kuch Wat in Afghanistan boeit me niet veel, maar wat er hier in Nederland gebeurt zeker wel. Daar is die lange comment voor. En als reactie op jouw comment, ik had het over één Amerikaanse stad: Detroit. Zo ongeveer 5 mensen per dag in die stad alleen al worden gedood. Het boeit me niet. Dit is Amerika's probleem en zij hebben het op te lossen. Ik hoef geen mensen vanuit daar naar Nederland. Hetzelfde voel ik voor Afghanistan. Als het echt niet meer kan in Afghanistan en er een acute dreiging is voor iemands leven, tuurlijk kom maar. Maar anders gewoon niet. Je kan niet heel een land opvangen omdat er 5 mensen per dag sterven daar met geweld. Dat is gewoon niet redelijk. Nederland is niet een of ander gelukszoekersparadijs waar alle personen die het minder hebben maar naar toe kunnen komen. Een vluchteling is iemand wiens leven acuut wordt bedreigd, niets minder. Het maakt me niet uit hoe lang het heeft geduurd voordat ze hier zijn gekomen: zij hebben een fout gemaakt door die reis te ondernemen. Als je niet ECHT in nood bent (als in, sterven of gemarteld worden als je de reis niet onderneemt) kun je komen, maar anders maak je echt een fout. Nederland is niet de voedselbank van de wereld of zoiets. We doen wat we kunnen in Afghanistan om ze te helpen, maar dit gaat gewoon te ver. Je kan niet zomaar miljoenen mensen welkom heten omdat er 5 mensen per dag sterven in hun land. Dit is belachelijk. Illegale migratie is illegale migratie, hoe lang je reis ook is geweest. Ik vind het zuur voor die mensen, maar je kan ongecontroleerde migratie niet toestaan. Alleen vluchtelingen, punt.
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  2419. +Marc Renel You're wrong... Your own country, France, is listed as having MORE soft power than the USA. So does the UK. In terms of economy, the EU and US are equal. The difference in hard power between the EU and US is also not big, but the US has the edge there. Innovation? I'm gonna give you a list of a few modern inventions (1990s+) of my tiny country, the Netherlands: bluetooth, blu-ray disk, DVD, wi-fi and more. You tell me what the US has invented lately. According to wikipedia the most impactful inventions they had are the scrollwheel for the PC mouse and a battery that is more energy efficient. Can't even equal a tiny country. Morals? European countries are the centre of upkeeping western morals. The US needed only ONE terrorist attack to chimp out and betray on some of the most important values we have: no imprisonment without trial and no torture! Yes, very christian of them to go around abducting and torturing suspected terrorists (with an unknown amount of innocents among them, to boot). And sure, giving everyone firearms and allowing them to shoot and kill anyone that enters their property is full of respect for human life... And the fact that people always go out of their way to greet veterans with a "thank you for your service", yet leave veterans to sometimes literally die on the streets or at least without the (psychological) care they at times need really reveals their "morals". But hey, America and taxes/social security don't mix, not even for their beloved veterans. Unlike you, I'm NOT trying to say that X country is superior to Y, only that there is no such thing as a "best country". Remember I didn't even mention America's weak spots here (poverty, crime, zero consideration for poor people, their position on most quality of life indices, primary school education quality, their "democracy" riddled with blatant corruption, etc.), only their supposed strong points. America is a country just like any other. It has its strong points and its weak points. Other countries outshine it in many areas and it outshines other countries in other areas. All you can say is that they're one of the better countries in the world, being part of the 1st world. Beyond that... you can't really say one country is "the best". There is no such thing, only a group of countries that are clearly of the better part of the world.
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  2429. ​ @bakters  Complete abolition of class by having the proletariat seize the means of production, creating an egalitarian society (socialism). Solidification of class and having them work together in the common interest of the nation (or for NS: race), creating a hierarchical collectivist society (fascism). There you have it, folks. Essentially, class abolition versus class collaboration, egalitarianism versus hierarchy. TIK is mostly accurate with his videos, but he really misses the difference between socialism and fascism. He sadly subscribes to the overly simplified "government does something = socialism" narrative. That's his only mistake from what I can tell (so it's not that he's totally wrong or "dumb"), but it has massive impact on his videos. In truth, socialism is about a lot more than just collectivism; it's about abolishing class conflict by creating an egalitarian, single-class society. Fascism is also collectivist, but a different flavour: it strengthens the concept of class (they believe class distinction/hierarchy is necessary to run a strong nation), but stops class conflict by uniting the classes under the banner of one nation or race. A good example of fascism at work would be Volkswagen. The Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF, a Nazi government institution facilitating class collaboration) spoke with the upper class and workers and devised a plan that would benefit both of them, as well as the nation as a whole. A cheap car would be produced because the Nazis wanted a more mobile population (national interest). To achieve this, they sat with the upper class and working class to set up a scheme with which the workers would get cheap cars and the upper class would get a lot of orders and thus profit. Thus the Volkswagen was created. Central to Fascism is that economic projects are in the broader national interest, with the government having a large role in deciding what the national interest is. A scheme like Volkswagen would be designed to be in the interests of the working class, upper class and broader nation. Under fascism, workers unions were illegal... because they only represent the interests of the workers. Instead the DAF was a union that represented the interests of both the workers AND the upper class, setting up projects that were in the interest of both of them. This is called class collaboration and is what sets fascism apart from capitalism as well as socialism.
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  2430.  @bakters  >"Are you trying to claim that in Soviet Union there were no classes? That Stalin or Beria and your common Yuri Bezumov were of the same social class?" Yes, because the difference between upper and working class is determined by who owns the means of production. The upper class owns the means of production and enjoys its fruits, the working class are wage employees of the upper class. Since the proletariat seized the means of production in the Soviet Union, there is no upper class in the Soviet Union. The entire point of the class struggle is that the upper class interest in max profit from their means of production and the working class interest in getting paid the value of their work and having decent working conditions, clash. Enter Hegelian dialectics and you have Marxism. Under Socialism this clash is taken away by having the working class/proletariat take control of the means of production and using it in their interest; with wages based on the value of the work you do. The entire point of the USSR was that the proletariat had decimated the upper class. >"If so, both Third Reich and Soviet Union have failed equally badly. Where are the differences?" The Third Reich never intended to have an egalitarian society; they HATED this part of Marxism (it's in fact the main and possibly only reason they weren't Marxist, as for the rest their ideology is actually very similar). NS is all about hierarchy, all about strengthening the class divide and even adding a new hierarchy to the mix: racial purity. And they were socially very conservative, with clear roles for women and such. The USSR wanted to create an economy in which everyone is a worker and everyone gets paid what the work they do is worth. Equal, performance-based payment. There is no upper class that is of inherent higher social status by birth; there is no upper class because there is no private ownership of the means of production. There is no aristocracy. There is no superior or inferior race. And compared to the Nazis they were socially a lot more progressive. >"I was raised under Socialism. Worker's unions were illegal. Where are the differences?" That's a good question. Under Soviet Socialism, LOCAL worker's unions were deemed unwanted. The government-proletariat would represent the worker's voice under that system. Dissenting voices of any kind - including of other workers - were seen as going against the working class. As opposing the government utopia. Soviet Socialism was a heavily authoritarian kind of Socialism. Under Fascism, organisations representing workers' interests were seen as inherently against class collaboration and therefore unwanted. The entire point of class collaboration is that the classes do not fight and instead unite to act in the interest of the nation. This requires the classes to not organise around their own interests, but to collaborate with one another. This collaboration was facilitated by the government/nation, which would essentially mediate between the upper and working class and organise projects to make both sides happy. Profit for the upper class, a decent life for the workers and production in the interest of the nation. So in short, the Soviet Union disliked worker's unions because the government-proletariat already dictated what was in the workers' interest and they didn't want any dissent. Fascism disliked worker's unions because they were fundamentally against the idea of workers organising around their own interests in the first place. They HATED either the upper class using the means of production is their own interest (saw it as leeching off the Nation, kind of similar to Marxist criticisms on capitalism) and the working class trying to create a worker's paradise. They saw the class hierarchy as something a Nation needed to succeed, yet the class struggle (= Hegelian dialectics caused by each class organising purely around their own interests and clashing) as a threat to the Nation. > "Under Socialism I was raised in, it was exactly the same.(...) Where are the differences?" The difference is that the DAF (government) mediated between upper class and lower class to create projects that, to stick with the example of Volkswagen: - generated profit for the upper class (Volkswagen sales, with artificially high demand created by project) - gave something back to the workers (cheap cars, within their wage range) - produced something that benefitted the nation (mobilised the German population) The USSR just unilaterally dictated what the proletariat wanted. There is no mediation because no upper class exists, there is no profit as all value is distributed among workers. There are no clashing interests that need to be reconciled. There are only the interests of the working class to be dictated by the government.
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  2431.  @bakters  - "Stalin owned the means of ... " The difference is that the upper class owns the means of production PRIVATELY. I.e. purely for their personal benefit. The Nazi's employed the means of prod for THE GERMAN PEOPLE collectively. The USSR for the PROLETARIAT collectively. They were both collectivists and authoritarian, but similarities end there. For whom and why they organised the economy is different, as laid out before. - "oh that's why the Nazi's were a workers party..." The Nazi's were only a workers party in name. Though technically one could say that RELATIVE TO CAPITALISM they were a workers party, since they despised capitalism for the same reasons as the Marxists (abusing the working class and nation for personal profit) and wanted to create a society in which the upper class' private profit ambitions would be kept in check by the government to make sure they act in the interest of the NATION (and thus also the workers). In short, the Nazi's wanted to keep the class' hierarchy BUT have them act in the interest of all, i.e. more BALANCE between the interests of the upper and working class instead of the upper class purely acting in their private interests. This means LESS power to the upper class and MORE power to the workers, relative to capitalism. The Soviets didn't want balance, they wanted ABSOLUTE POWER to the workers. They wanted to solve the class struggle by making the upper class DISAPPEAR. They were fundamentally against the hierarchy of class. Nazi's: more power to workers. USSR: ABSOLUTE power to workers. - "They were aiming for an egalitarian society for all Germans..." National Socialists did NOT want an egalitarian society. They revered social and racial hierarchies. Yes, even ethnic Germans themselves were categorised along racial lines and were discriminated. Only the most "pure" among the Germans could for example apply for certain social programmes, other Germans could not. As mentioned earlier, they also loved the idea of class hierarchy, claiming that the working class needed the upper class for guidance. They believed that no not all humans are equal and that those at the top should get higher social positions and positions of power/leadership in the Nation. They HATED the idea of the common worker grabbing absolute power; that is the WEAK governing themselves. Yet, they were also against the upper class misusing their positions of power for personal gain; they should be there to guide the Nation, not their own monetary interests. - "But then war happened and in order to win...." Yes, and then America started its war economy and therefore they were Socialists! No..... temporary measures in war time =/= ideological identity of a nation. You have to look at how a country ideologically wants to shape itself to determine what ideology it falls under. - "Lenin, Stalin etc were tyrants......" You completely ignore the ideological groundwork of the Soviet Union (thereby by the way contradicting yourself, as you before rightly stated that the USSR wanted to create an egalitarian society for all workers). You can't just arbitrarily rank members of the USSR society by the power they had and say "therefore they were just the same as the Tsars". You have to look at how and why they used their power the way they did; then you see what ideology they were. - "They were not conservative at all......" Nice cherry picking. The nazis promoted women to stay home, under the nazi regime the amount of working women went down, they promoted other very conservative family values and of course their love for the class distinction and hierarchy is deeply conservative. Saying what you did here is like claiming the notoriously misogynist Ancient Greece was incredibly progressive because famous philosopher Hypatia existed. Or that hyper conservative and women unfriendly medieval christianity was actually progressive because queens existed and figures like Joan of Arc. It makes no sense. The USSR and Nazi's were not even close in terms of progressivism. The USSR had women actually fly and fight on the battlefield.
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  2438.  @essieb778  A country like Saudi Arabia is today a million times stronger than it would otherwise be, exactly because of western meddling. For a nation like Iraq I agree with you, but don't make it seem like the entire world somehow would be China 2.0 without western imperialism. Sub-Saharan Africa would likely still consist of more primitive kingdoms (which would honestly be better than forcing a western system of government on them and expecting it to magically work while we needed hundreds of years to form decent democracies ourselves, especially considering those kingdoms weren't as primitive as most people think). Japan? Still feudal, locking itself away from the world or perhaps conquered by a nation like China because it never caught up with foreign technology. Now they're one of the most succesful countries on the globe because the west forced them to modernise. A place like Singapore would absolutely not have been the massive hub of commerce it is today without its colonial history. A place like India... I'd love to see what they would have grown into by themselves. My guess is they'd be better off without colonialism. Vietnam... they inherited some great cities, but I can't say whether they really benefitted from colonialism or would be better off without it. The world would be different without western intervention, that's all. Not uniformly better or worse. Some countries would be better off, some actually worse. Others yet were not deeply affected. In a lot of cases, significant things were gained, but at great historic losses as well. In several cases the gains were massive. In some cases the losses were even minimal compared to the gains. Your comment is too simplistic.
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  2478. +Robert Kubrick You didn't fight oil wars for Europe, you fought oil wars to keep the EU away from Russia and its oil supplies . We in the EU need oil from outside. The most logical partner in this is Russia. They're the closest to us and a fellow European nation. The problem is... an alliance between the EU and Russia/China means the end of the US as a superpower. Why? Because your economy runs on the petrodollar. You need the world to be dependent on the dollar as reserve currency, therefore you need large parts of the world to trade in dollars. China doesn't trade in dollars, Russia doesn't trade oil in dollars either. If the EU were to join them and switch to euro or something else to trade in dollars, the petrodollar is dead and dollar reserves might be sold en masse. For the dollar, this means hyperinflation and for the US economy, this means death. You need to keep the EU away from Russia and China if you want ot survive. And you need to wage oil wars when oil countries want to stop selling oil for dollars only (Saddam Hussein was switching to the euro - invaded. Libya wanted to switch to gold-backed oil trade - bombed and leader killed. Iran has switched to the euro for oil trade - hostilities but not yet any violence. Coincidence that all of these had just dropped the petrodollar before being attacked? Nah). The petrodollar is what is keeping the US economy alive, so you do everything you can to prevent its demise. This means two things: the EU must not ally itself with Russia or China and any big oil producer must only trade oil in dollars or die. If one of these two objectives fails, the US can get ready to print 1 trillion dollar notes in the style of Zimbabwan dollars.
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  2486. +Salterino Kripperino WW1 was not the fault of either side and there were no good or bad sides. It was the inevitable and tragic result of our European culture of clashing empires in the industrial age. We were just going to have a nice war like we always did... but this time both sides had industrial production capabilities, which made it a bit too extreme compared to the wars we had before... I'm proud to be of a country that was neutral in the disgusting waste of human life that was WW1. WW2 was again not the fault of the British. The Nazis trampled the Versailles treaty and ignored it (good, it was a horrible treaty) and all seemed well because Britain and France actually accepted this... until Germany went too far. They could have stopped at taking back Austria, Czechoslovakia and rebuilding their military beyond the restrictions of the treaty (all of which Britain and France just accepted), but no. They went further. They took Poland after specific warnings not to. At this point armies were mobilised but still nothing happened. Then... they went even more out of bounds and started attacking the Nordic countries, the low countries, France itself.... It was absolutely the Germans that escalated WW2. The Nazis were evil bastards that wanted to get rid of democracy and kill out entire races. They fully deserved the war, even if they wanted to sign peace with Britain. They are heroes for risking their country when Axis was winning HARD. They could have signed for peace and lost some irrelevant colonies to Germany, but they stood for their principles instead (democracy, etc.) and risked a full invasion. The British were courageous in WW2 and fought like lions. They're twice the men Americans were in WW2, you would have YELLED for peace if Germany had a border with you
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  2496.  Thuis Home  Ik droom niet, de EU als supermacht is helemaal niet zo vreemd. Sterker nog, dat zijn we bijna al, het enige wat we missen is het militaire aspect. We hebben de politieke invloed, we hebben het economisch zwaargewicht, alleen nog een goed leger. Ik zeg niet dat de EU tegen Rusland én China op zou kunnen, maar dat als er een breuk is tussen de VS en de EU er een wereldorde zal ontstaan met 4 supermachten (VS, EU, Rusland, China) waarvan geen de overmacht heeft. De VS, EU en China zouden grofweg even machtig zijn. Over het EU leger ben ik het met je eens. Samenwerking is allemaal leuk en aardig, maar wanneer we een verenigd leger hebben waar de EU over beslist vrees ik dat wij ook dingen als Irak e.d. zullen gaan doen. Het is beter om nauw samen te werken maar de beslissing het leger in te zetten bij de landen te houden. Over Rusland die ons binnen zou vallen, dat is zelfs op dit moment al zelfmoord voor Rusland. Met of zonder Amerika. In de huidige onderbetaalde staat is het leger van alle EU landen samen al iets groter dan dat van Rusland en we zijn getraind en voorbereid op zo'n scenario (en onderbetaald betekent alsnog 200+ miljard, oftewel hetzelfde wat China in het leger investeert...). West-Europese legers zijn zwak vergeleken met Amerika omdat we niet veel capaciteit hebben om in het buitenland te interveniëren, maar defensief (het hele doel van onze legers op dit moment) zijn we sterk. Bovendien gaat het niet alleen om je leger op dit moment, maar ook om hoe snel je je leger kan uitbreiden in een oorlogssituatie. Als de EU in oorlogseconomie modus gaat en conscriptie inzet heeft Rusland nul kans. Dan hebben we het over één van de grootste industrieën ter wereld die aan de lopende band tanks, gevechtsvliegtuigen etc. produceert tegenover een industrie die niet eens de grootte van Duitsland haalt en een regio met 500 miljoen mensen waarvan zo veel mogelijk in het leger worden opgenomen tegenover een land van 100 miljoen. Binnen een paar maanden zou de EU Rusland in nummers overschaduwen. Dus het idee dat Rusland sterker is dan ons is onzin. Ze zouden alleen kunnen winnen als ze zó snel zijn met veroveren dat de Europese oorlogseconomie nooit op gang kan komen, en dat gaat niet gebeuren want dat zou nog bijzonderder zijn dan wat de Duitsers voor elkaar kregen tegen de Fransen in 1940. Zoiets gebeurt bijna nooit en alleen als de vijand niet is voorbereid of gewoon komisch incompetent.
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  2508. We aren't really becoming poorer as a whole, but the anti-globalisation narratives do have certain truths in them. Globalisation is definitely no zero-sum game and both the west and east massively benefit from it if you look at the large scale. We get huge markets to trade with, they get an opportunity to grow their economy by manufacturing things for us and later industrialising to our level. It's a win-win. But there are some side effects. We in the west lose our factory jobs en masse. We get other jobs in return, but those are mostly skilled jobs in cities. Globalisation is as a consequence draining our countryside from jobs and making the lower classes even poorer than they already were, even though the country as a whole becomes richer. This is the reason the yellow vests protest in France and the reason the countryside voted Trump in the US. We ignore and neglect the lower classes in favour of economic growth. Another consequence is that our larger companies become more and more global entities instead of linked to a country and become powerful enough to dictate countries' policies. If, for example, one country creates strict environmental laws or chooses to tax pollution or something, the local companies can simply threaten with leaving that country for another one without such laws. If those companies leave, that country may lose out on massive amounts of GDP and jobs. So it all becomes a fight of who can appease the corporations the best. Who has the best settling climate? Who has the lowest taxes? Who allows for loopholes in the law to escape taxing altogether? Who has lenient laws in terms of workers rights or environmental laws? What is actually good for society matters less and less and that is a serious problem. There is no more link between the society and its companies, only their own corporate interests count. The days of a company feeling connected to its society and investing in it are gone; even where they do charity work, what they give is hugely overshadowed by the amount of tax money they evade. So yes, some anti-globalist movements certainly to have a point. There are massive positive sides to globalism, but also very flawed aspects of it.
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  2509.  @GHustle4  We already know for a fact that the death penalty does nothing to prevent crime. Criminals think they won't get caught, that is what makes them think they can get away with crime. So there is no real difference between life in prison and the death penalty in terms of prevention. Both prevent the criminal from ever again committing a crime in society. Real prevention is making the police force highly efficient at tracking down criminals and drastically increasing the chance of catching them. If they know they are likely to get caught, they won't do it, regardless of the punishment (unless it is a comically low punishment of course). And overall, most crimes are not eligible for life in prison and/or capital punishment. You get the most effect on crime prevention if you invest in a very effective police force and rehabilitation in prison. As for life in prison or death penalty.... it's a choice, really. There's effectively no difference in crime prevention so neither is really better in that regard. However, I am against the death penalty for one simple reason: you can never turn it back. If you find out years later that the suspect was innocent, it is too late and you killed an innocent person. If he was there for life, you can free him at least. Death penalty is just too permanent. There are many cases in which an innocent person was convicted for a variety of punishments. If you commit to the death penalty, you KNOW that some time, some where you will kill an innocent by mistake.
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  2524. +Randy Ohm Of course European culture exists... we share many many things across Europe. We are different, yet the same. Might as well say that there is no British culture because not everyone within Britain is the exact same, or even that there is no culture in a smaller country like the Netherlands because even here the people in different provinces differ hugely. Being different does not mean you can also have things in common , and what you have in common is shared culture. Imaginariy land borders do not stop culture, especially since those imaginary borders have not always existed in the way they do now, or even at all if you go back far enough. Culture shapes over thousands of years, including the time before borders were even a thing and we were just tribes living in villages. To name some European culture, take Easter or Yule/Christmas as an example. Ancient customs practiced by all of Europe. For (tens of?) thousands of years, people in all of Europe have been painting eggs in honour of a pagan goddess. For (tens of?) thousands of years, people in all of Europe have been celebrating Yule, even New Year's Eve down to making loud noises and the new year's resolution (!) can be traced back thousands of years at least. Fairy tales are also typically European culture, with for example Beauty and the Beast story being traced back to at least 4000 years ago, passed down from generation to generation all across Europe. Then there are things like classical music and ballet, which have grown to be part of our culture all over Europe. Then there are many values one could identify as European, etc. etc. etc. etc. These are only the things that are the same all over Europe, but you could also see similarities between European countries are European culture. Culture is gradual: Europeans are highly similar to others from their immediate regions - very similar to others from their countries in general - quite similar to others from their "tribe" (i.e. Dutch people are quite similar to other Germanic countries) - similar to Europeans in general - somewhat/not very similar to other Western countries - not similar or not similar at all to others. So there is regional culture, national culture and European culture. Even western culture exists, so it's beyond me why European culture would not.
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  2564. His description of god is more an explanation of why we humans created religion than an argument for the literal god being real. Strictly speaking I think he is correct in how he describes religion and what it represents, but connects the wrong conclusion to it (it therefore being "real"). God is not real, he or they - whatever form of god or spirituality your culture may adhere to - are made up beings reflecting the collective views, archetypes and evolutionary instincts of the specific culture the god(s) in question belong to. I would agree with that, but that doesn't mean god is "real", it means god is nothing more than a symbol of our collective conscience. Or in other words religion is a metaphorical representation of our culture and collective beliefs on what is right and proper. And by what is right and proper I mean what is good for the survival of our species: usually including being honourable or a good person, in certain religions also including hygienic rules or other rules that are thought to be beneficial to follow for our survival, all coupled with a punishment for non-compliance (hell, not reincarnating or reincarnating into a lower status, karma, etc.). All of this differs per culture. The religion of your culture is also your religion/god in the sense that you unconsciously also follow many elements of that belief system. So strictly speaking, "god" exists and even is also your "god", but only in a metaphorical sense. Jordan Peterson is wrong on saying god is real, but right in describing what god is. That's my view on it anyway. And one short point on why abrahamic religion in particular are problematic: they have scriptures. This means that the collective beliefs on what is "good" were written down 2000+ years ago and the religion expects people today to adhere to those rules. Good religions should evolve with their culture and with the time. Religions with scriptures are stuck in the time period when that scripture was written. But most religious people today don't follow any scripture literally, luckily. We have seen what happens when radicals do (ISIS).
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  2585. The issue is that not only is forcing something into the game a political choice, it is also political to portray history as it was but HIDE certain negative or positive sides of it. Persecution of gay ppl was part of medieval times, suppression of women who did not want to fulfill traditional roles is part of medieval times. If you only show cis hetero ppl, you portray medieval times as if gay ppl did not exist. This is a political choice, it hides how gay ppl were treated by simply pretending they didn’t exist. As if it was “back when LGBTQ didn’t exist” or something, a common right wing trope that obviously is historically inaccurate. It is also a political choice to portray women ONLY in their traditional roles and all of them as happy to fulfill these roles. As if women were not pressured into these roles and somehow “naturally” fulfilled them. Again, the right wing trope of “the good old times when women were women”, without showing what needed to be done to force them into these roles: strong social pressure and the consequences if they did not conform. I love KCD1 and will love the second. But these choices absolutely are as political as forced diversity. It shows a propagandised/“cleansed” version of medieval times that is very historically accurate, yet hides certain negative aspects of it. Gay ppl existed back then, women who wanted to or did resist traditional roles existed back then. It is part of historical accuracy to show what was done to them. And it is political to hide it. I btw think KCD1 did very well on this. The DLC with the Miller’s daughter was great and showed a strong woman. I’d also call Johanka a strong woman for how she dealt with the wounded from Skalitz and more. Strong women don’t need to be warriors or whatever, just strong in their own way. So in KCD2 I’d love to see more of this, and women who subvert their traditional roles and how they deal with the consequences. That is historical accuracy and inclusivity at once. Better historical accuracy even, cus it shows MORE about history than if you erase this and portray all women as happily subservient. On black ppl I agree fully though. Just some rare merchant in a city perhaps, nothing more. Would be good to show, but unnecessary if it was also very very rare irl
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  2588. Biden is voor NL standaarden extreem rechts. Er is niet eens een optie in Amerika die dicht bij de Nederlandse politiek komt qua hoe "links" wij zijn. Ja, inclusief wat voor ons "extreem rechts" is zoals de FvD. Alleen zij komen überhaupt dichtbij hoe rechts de Democraten zijn. Bernie Sanders was de eerste die een beetje dicht bij Europese politiek kwam. Biden is alles behalve links. Hij is een corrupte neoliberaal (rechts dus) die allemaal linkse dingen zegt maar in werkelijkheid lekker met de bedrijven in zee gaat. Hij heeft zijn sponsoren (bedrijven) al verteld "nothing will fundamentally change". Hij zit in de zak van de bedrijven en kan absoluut niet "links" genoemd worden. Hetzelfde als Kamala Harris die eerste als officier van justitie extreme tactieken gebruikt om voornamelijk zwarte mensen op te sluiten (zoals beleid om de OUDERS van criminelen een boete te geven, ook als zij er niets mee te maken hebben. En een paar gevallen waarin zij bewust bewijs achterhield in een zaak totdat de rechter haar dwong om de info vrij te geven, waardoor meerdere mensen jaren langer in de gevangenis zaten dan ze eigenlijk hadden moeten zitten) en dan NU doet alsof ze helemaal Black lives matter is... Eén ding is duidelijk als wij het over Biden en consortium hebben; zij zijn VIRTUE SIGNALLERS en CORRUPT. Zeker niet links. Bernie is links. Biden komt niet eens dichtbij. Hij is een rechtse globalist met linkse virtue signal praatjes. Trump is een nationalist. Deze verkiezing gaat niet om rechts/links, het gaat om globalisten versus nationalisten. Vrijhandel waardoor banen naar het buitenland gaan of America First waarmee je banen in de VS houdt. Verder zijn beide opties gewoon rechts.
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  2625. Your use of the nutpicking fallacy seems a bit too absolute. You're looking at individual nuts, and in singling them out say that even if one nut is influential/etc. they are not representative of the broader left. But what I think you should be doing is placing all the nuts together and assess whether their nutty beliefs are just an island in an otherwise non-nutty left, or a symptom of broader nutty movement that has gotten to hold a significant amount of territory within the broader left. There must be a point at which there are so many influential nuts that one must begin to wonder whether there is something wrong with the movement in general. And by the latter I don't mean that literally every single leftist would be a nut, but that something significant is going on with the left as a political movement. If 40% of leftists support nutty ideological positions, then I would say there is something very wrong with "the left". And using not one, but multiple very influential leftist nuts to demonstrate that there is something significantly wrong with the left does not seem like a nutpicking fallacy to me insofar you manage to demonstrate that the sheer amount of nuts and the influential they have is so substantial that they can't be disregarded as exceptions anymore. So whether Sargon is being fallacious or not depends on what he means with "the left". If he means the movement and every single member of it, then surely he's using a fallacy. If, however, he means the left purely as the mainstream political movement then his point becomes a lot more solid, even if it's still too absolute for my taste.
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  2635.  BARBATVS 89  1. I know they follow Christ because they claim to. Christians sin constantly, nobody is without sin. There is no such thing as a perfect christian that follows Jesus impeccably and a "fake" christian that doesn't. Anyone who believes in Jesus as their saviour and attempts to follow his teachings is part of the christian movement. That's really all there's to it. Regarding your justifications of past genocides, you're essentially saying that genocide is good if god commands it, which is very worrying to say the least. By your logic Israel is the promised land of Jews and they'd be justified in systematically genociding any other racial group in an effort to claim the land for the Jews. It's just wrong. This is exactly the kind of thinking that caused the brutal religious wars and oppression in Europe. It's amazing that you don't see this. Genocide is wrong, always. It happened in the past, which was more or less normal back then so I'm not going to single out the Jews as having done something "evil", but accepting that it went like that in the past and today still actively justifying what happened are two very different things. What you're doing is dangerous. If god sees it as his right to take away life just because he gave it and will send most people on earth to eternal torture in hell then I have to conclude that apparently human morality is superior to god's. It's unspeakably cruel and shows a complete disregard for the suffering of others while having no real reason to justify it. It's downright sadistic to do that and I'll support no god that behaves like that. The god that you describe doesn't meet my moral standards. He's supposed to be above us, not below. And catholics are not pagans at all. They're mainly christians, but with pagan elements. The terrible things they did are not grounded in paganism but a twisted view of christianity. Their philosophy is mainly christian for sure. 2. It was a generalisation and you speak of respecting individual animals but that's not what this is about. This is about large-scale philosophy regarding nature and man. Paganism isn't a hippy religion about not killing anything, it is about respecting the general balance of nature. Christianity doesn't promote littering and animal abuse, but it does promote the idea that nature exists for us to tend to as if we own it, as if it was given for us to use. And with that utilitarian view of nature comes a disregard for balance. The balance is unequivocally skewed towards human interests and I think that is wrong. So it's not YOU that I accuse of littering, I say that this mindset causes SOCIETY as a whole to be too human-centered without having regard for the rest. I don't see humans as equals to animals, of course I value our own species more. But I don't see humans as far above animals either, at least not far enough to justify completely disregarding the well being of animals when human interests call for that. Humans are worth more than animals, but humans are also not the only species on this earth that has worth. The christian approach is that animals only have worth insofar they serve our interests. If they don't, then them going extinct is not a problem, even actively contributing to their extinction is not a problem. I believe that's terrible and selfish. Christianity is too centered around humans, it is too narcissistic. We are not so important that it's justified to genocide an entire animal species just for our comfort. I call for balance, for respect, for preservation of nature. You keep mentioning microbes and whatnot but again: this is not about killing animals, it is about the big picture. I eat animals, I kill animals. But I don't want so many to be killed that this upsets the natural balance or causes species to go extinct. Big picture balance. 3. I do put man first, just not to the degree christians have historically done. If there was an existential struggle between humans and wolves and only one could possibly survive, then I'd choose humans of course. But the thing is, such an absolute struggle doesn't exist. We can kill wolves where they threaten our way of life, but respect them when deep in the woods, far away from humans. It's not either/or, it's both. It's balance. Regarding the "spoils of animals" passage, I meant I didn't read into that how killing animals needlessly is a sin. After reading further I understand that it states that after the forests of Lebanon were cut down, they will be cut down. After they killed the animals, the animals shall kill them. And this all happens because they terrorised humans in the area and plundered towns. I don't see how this prohibits the medieval christian practice of killing as many wolves as possible until they are hunted out of extinction deliberately, even deep into the forests. This is not a strawman, I simply state I don't read what you read into this passage, which might just be on me. Christianity presenting an absolute antithesis of heaven and hell, god and the devil and more is absolute. It's not grey. You either enjoy heaven or suffer in hell. God is good, devil is bad. There are no such things in paganism, because there's also no such thing in nature. Nature is both at once. You speak of pagan Egyptians but I already stated before I'm referring to European paganism specifically. Here the earthly life is more important. European paganism is not a death cult, it's a cult of life and nature. It's not centered around living your earthly life just to prepare for the much more important journey afterwards. According to paganism, life on earth is an endlessly repeating cycle of reincarnation. Earth IS heaven in paganism. And that is why it's paramount we take proper care for it; we return, it's our home. It's a drastically different perspective that leads to certain important differences in mindset.
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  2672. If they were talking about non-scripturebased religions this discussion would be a lot simpler. Religions in general are in my view very useful as sources of value systems (heuristic in nature), but certain religions have committed the ultimate sin: adopt a scripture, claim your values from 2000 years ago are literal words of god and will remain relevant forever. And that's pretty much the Abrahamic religions in general. If you look purely at more conventional religions like pagan beliefs over all kinds of societies, all you see is a collection of stories (which, importantly, are NOT claimed to be a literal truth) which tell us archetypal truths and grant us a value system. And under religion without scripture, rationality has free reign to counterbalance its values where necessary. Our collective unconscious provides us with low-resolution information on archetypal truths and values and whatnot in the form of culture and religion, which is valuable information. But sometimes our rationality catches up with or even supersedes the low-resolution information it provides us with its own high-resolution factual explanation of why something is good or better than our religion/culture. You need a balance between the two: the rational side for obvious reasons, but also the unconscious to supplement our rationality where it is insufficient to calculate what is good. We need to stop looking at religion as something "true" in the literal sense or completely irrelevant. Religion is produced by us as humans and it is useful to provide values where our rationality lacks the capability to produce them. On the other side of the token, rationality is useful to provide values in general and to override religion where necessary. Neither is "superior" over the other, both are highly important to the functioning of our societies.
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  2688.  @williamcondon7729  Ethnicity is a factual, observable thing. You can not "identify" as an ethnicity. You either have that DNA or you don't. You also act like ethnicity is meaningless just because it changes over time, but that's nonsense. The point of ethnicity is that you have shared ancestry, wherever that ancestry may come from. And shared ancestry means shared culture and history. Ethnicity can point you directly to which culture you originated from. Every culture has their own unique mix of DNA, roughly speaking. There is no such thing as a "pure" ethnicity, nor does any ethnicity stay the same over time. Ethnicity is just a mix of DNA of many past ethnicities that have come together. There is no continuous line of one ethnicity existing unscathed forever, perhaps with the very very rare exception of some. But ethnicity is still an accurate way to denote a particular group at a particular time. Italy has several ethnicities within its borders that are considered "Italian". If you are one of those ethnicities, which is not a matter of identifying but a matter of which DNA you have, you can say you're of Italian descent. What really matters, though, is being culturally part of that identity. Only then are you a "true" Italian. To be part of a group, you have to be accepted by that group. This also is not a matter of identifying. You're Italian when the Italians accept you as such. In most of Europe the rule is to acquire citizenship and then integrate into society. Or to grow up in a country and be part of that culture. To take the example of the Jezidis in Iraq, they have stricter rules as to who is part of their society. They are more ethnicity minded people and only ethnic Jezidis are accepted to be Jezidis. They take this as far as shunning IS children that are the result of IS raping Jezidi women. In this case it is obvious that identifying as Jezidi does not make you a Jezidi. You can't enter into a cultural group without the consent of that group. Being part of a cultural identity is entirely dependent on who the culture accepts. But you're right about one thing; that culture can tell the person falsely identifying as them that that person is wrong, but they can never stop that person form being deluded... You're just missing the fact that it is a delusion.
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  2739.  @o00nemesis00o  I agree, but the opposition is rising. The EU is not some distant organisation that can't be changed, the EU is what its member states want it to be. The problem with Cameron was that at the time he was one of the few to want reforms. Now more and more countries want the EU to respect national sovereignty and want reforms to make it more effective in how it deals with f.e. immigration. If we sit this ride out and wait until the sceptics have a majority or at least a proper opposition, we can change the EU. And it is a shame that Britain is no longer there to be part of that movement, they'd have been a big factor. The way I see it you can either give up, leave the EU and leave the other sceptic countries in a weaker coalition or you can stay in and fight for a different EU that has the positives but less of the negatives. And yes that fight may take some time, but nationalism is on the rise, it's only a matter of time. Now we have Italy, Austria, soon to be the Netherlands (largest party of the country is sceptic, not yet in government), Poland, Hungary and more than are nationalistic. Plus the Netherlands leads the newly set up Hanse group, made up of all smaller northern European countries, sceptic of the monetary policy of the EU. This group is already a factor of power. Imagine if the UK was there to join that group... In the end the sceptics will prevail, I believe that. Nonetheless I understand that the British people weren't up for that fight and saw it as a useless endeavour back in 2016. Shame
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  2805. Socialism doesn’t mean “when the government nationalises things”. Firstly this ignores the many libertarian forms of socialism, especially anarchism. And secondly all socialist experiments and ideological texts are deeply connected with the progression towards communism, a stateless and moneyless society that is thought to be the logical successor of capitalism. The reason why people don’t regard NS as socialism is because it completely falls outside of this tradition and weirdly uses “socialism” outside of the context of it being a transitory and temporary state meant to precede communism. The ENTIRE point of a socialist state, as per ALL leftist theory preceding the NS, is to build communism and guide society towards it with its policies. NS use “socialism” to describe their end goal state, which is already a massive departure from leftist theory and uproots what “socialism” even means at a fundamental level. Thirdly, Hitler calls Marxism “international Jewish finance” for no apparent reason. This sentence makes zero sense. There is no coherent idea behind this except racism against Jews “therefore they’re evil and Marxism is part of the evil international Jewish plot or something”. This isn’t a serious critique of Marxism or a serious leftist disagreement with Marxism. It’s a reactionary dismissal of Marxism, based in racism. So in short I think it’s great you point out that they nationalised the industry, but they have ZERO ideological connection to socialism/communism except very superficially using the name and some collectivist talking points. It’s a stretch to call them socialist
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  2826.  @badhero88  The NATO treaty article 5 is ".... if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force". Not only does the NATO treaty also use "to assist", but it states "such action as it deems necessary", which is LESS clear about the obligation to use force than "by all means of their power", which obviously includes military action. If the US decides simply supplying the EU when it has been attacked is enough to assist them but for the rest stay neutral, technically they complied with the NATO treaty. If Germany does the same with, say, Finland being attacked, they are in breach of the obligation to support them "by all means in their power". At this point you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Especially considering the EU literally has military missions going on, like the anti-piracy mission in Somalia, which is not NATO, not UN, not just a group of countries, but a designated EU mission. It is clearly a military alliance. NATO is the primary defence of Europe and the main channel through which we coordinate our common defence, but the EU is also a military alliance that protects all its member states against attack, independently of NATO. The EU common defence principle is especially important when non-NATO EU members are attacked, but otherwise the NATO treaty is the main defence of Europe.
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