Comments by "daniel webb" (@danielwebb8402) on "EU Requires USB-C on All Devices u0026 P*sses Off Apple - TLDR News" video.

@roberthoward9500 They have. E.g. fast charging. It's just we take all technology advances for granted. Give no one any credit for them. Assume we are entitled to them.
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Then consumers can choose multiple other providers.
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It's job of telling companies what to do. In a non monopoly industry.
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Because if they are making money from this currently. They will now just accept less? Or just roll it into their other consumer charges?
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@20quid So if a company came put with a different outlet plug. They'd not sell any products. So the market would work. The whole purpose of a government is to tell private companies what to do? Yes in China. Or 70s Russia. Or North Korea. Is the fact that say TVs have a common set of sizes due to governments making it so? Why aren't they forcing all laptop makers to have a single power connector? I have a draw of old chargers for laptops, like this video says for phones.
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@SpeedRebirth In this channel's comments I certainly am in the minority. That doesn't equal wrong (or right). Just means this audience loves the EU (not even in doubt) and, even though a third of them probably use them, some are just anti apple (see all the comments about them and taxes and Ireland) or profits in general (and don't understand the consumer will pay the same profit to apple, just via a different route now). I just believe in markets. For a non monopoly industry. People can buy non apple products. I have none. I think there is a principle difference between forced standardisation and naturally arising market wide common standards.
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@BlackBoxEnte Surely standardising the size of houses would also benefit a democratic society? Less envy. More equality. Less waste as only one size of sofa required. That you could re-use when you move house.
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@petrov3411 Then don't use them. And then you win. You have that power.
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@marcphelan9883 Will the states have to follow these rules? Canada? China?
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@theawesomeshulk6412 I've just not bought an apple product. That's how I solved it.
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Or staying. Increasing their prices to recoup any lost profits. So same aggregate profit.
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The UK government can choose to tell private companies what to do too if it wants. Elect a government proposing that.
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@ktelite Agree with everything you've said. Some people like apple so much they have chosen to buy apple, knowing they'll need different leads. I just see that as a choice. I've just switched from an old Samsung to a newer one and ... had to buy a new charging cable (and one for car, other room, work). Agree the physical waste is a cost. That's the strongest argument I see. But personally don't think a strong enough one to require government involvement. But others may think it is, and they'd be valid with that position / preference.
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@SpeedRebirth Like hair cuts? 15 approved styles. Can't believe the EU haven't standardised the size of dining tables so they all fit in the standardised size of rooms and houses.
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@ultimsing So here. The difference is. They are not being told they have to switch to C. They are??? Just being regulated so they have to switch to C. The difference being......
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@poetpinch1396 Yes. And the UK and US having different outlets and different power of electricity (these are connected) is de-facto bad because? When did France and Germany start using the same outlets? Did both governments agree that should be the case? Or did it happen naturally? Are phone companies allowed to ever move away from c adapters? Or in 100 years they all still have to use this one. As always have to be identical. Yes market is for competition. That is why are phones are now more powerful computers than appollo 11. Standardised products with no competition wouldn't have resulted in smart phones yet. Unless you think "Yes. Obviously we needed competition in the past. I'm not stupid. But I uniquely know today is the top of this evolution. So no need to have competition anymore. It did work. But today is so special it doesn't anymore."
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@jaketus How is this objectively harmful? Are the apple leads a higher fire hazard?
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@BlackBoxEnte And you think "A single phone cable is required for a functioning society and democracy"? So the past 10 years have been a non functioning democratic society? Because some people have had to have 2 leads. Because they chose apple products.
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@theawesomeshulk6412 I've not made a slippery slope argument. I'm starting lower of the hierarchy of needs than mobile phones.
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@BlackBoxEnte I've never bought an apple product. I'm not making a point from a pro apple bias point of view. But from a pro market bias point of view, happy to admit that. Have you not said that governments mandating a phone cable is included in the sub-set of areas required for a functioning democracy? That is how I read your comment.
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@theawesomeshulk6412 a) that it isn't a problem b) if it is, it is so inconsequential it doesn't meet the bar for government intervention
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@theawesomeshulk6412 A monopoly industry would be part of the bar. Not one where the market leader has less than 50% of the market. Consequences of a) a draw of leads as need 2 instead of 1 IF you've chosen different products for people in your household b) a cost, according to the EU, of 50p per human p.a.. I don't think they are consequential enough to "break" the default of "government should only interfere if it must". If others feel that these consequences make their life materially worse they are entitled to that opinion. And to vote in a government proposing this law change. This policy would make me less likely to vote for a party but, relatively, 50p less likely. Not a top 50 issue. I actually buy the physical production argument. Is "waste". Means more plastic in the world. That's a valid point, in my opinion. If the extra lead someone requires because they have chosen to use apple. Chosen. Costs £2 of which £1.50 is cost of production. That 1.50 is wasted. The 50p that is apple profit will just make the phones 50p more expensive instead. It won't disappear. Actually the parts of the £1.50 that are wages for the factory workers, delivery parts of the chain, shop ..aren't "wasted".
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@arturobianco848 So it's not telling them how to run their business. Just what type of charging port they have to have. Which isn't part of how to run a business / design and build a consumable. Big business equals not market leader and less than 20% market share. Your argument for this not being government interference is ... the government should do if the company doesn't do as it is told. But this isn't telling a company what to do. Schrodinger's cat. Both pregnant and not pregnant. Is it this us an area the government shouldn't intervene in or not an example of a government intervening?
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@ChristianIce Anarchy of... different cables. Some houses having 2 if they have chosen to have 2 different phone makes. Unacceptable anarchy. Fine if you think this is a material issue. I don't think its current consequences justify mandating X in a non-monopoly consumable industry. That the pros of doing this aren't worth the cons of market interference. Perfectly acceptable for someone else to, at least one of, think the consequences are material or not place much value on the principle of free markets. I can understand someone having that view. I personally disagree, but I'm capable of the mental empathy of considering why someone may have a different opinion to myself.
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@marcphelan9883 So currently they make one phone with one port for the world. They now HAVE to make a different one for the holy EU (may peace be upon her). But can just carry on with their "normal" one for the rest of the world. But you think they'll change their product for Canada and the UK to match the EU, rather than just keep those the same as the other 80%+ of their sales markets?
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@arturobianco848 I'm certainly not a liberal as we define it in the UK. I just have a competency the world values so don't have a chip on my shoulder if a company makes a profit. Believe the default should be small government. One of the reasons I voted to leave the EU. EU is a protectionist entity. Just the phrase "EU government" is funny. Which other independent adult countries answer to a higher government? "good rules (that you defined what is good) that benefit everybody (except those who currently own apple products with the current chargers. And if their innovation argument is true will have a net detrimental effect on everyone. Assuming you think say smart phones are better than old mobile phones? as innovation is good) ... at the cost of the whole world (because the EU is the world police)" And as I said, can mentally cope with someone having a different opinion than me. Without name calling. You silly poo poo face. Yay. I won the argument.
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@ChristianIce Agree. If their operations were harmful. I don't think a phone cable is harmful. That is where our difference of conclusion arises. Governments don't standardise the size of chips at restaurants because there is no harm. They do have regulations on steel support for buildings because harm can arise. I place phone cable nearer chips than steel joists
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@ChristianIce 100% agree with that
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Telling private companies in a non monopoly industry what to do. Because they think will save 50p per person per year.
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@fizzyb00t Because they won't just roll that cost into the price of the phone and other consumables now? So make the same € profit from their EU markets.
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@NullHand Agree. Do you think mobile phone providers is a monopoly industry?
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@TheSimon253 That evil capitalism. Resulting in mobile phones. We were all much better off in 1800. Sending communication at the speed of a horse.
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@TheSimon253 And the public sector is paid for by. . taxes from ..... Or we had this level of government research in 1750? Because taxes then were 40% GDP?
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@musteycraft I assume the answer would be "At least one of them. That's why I voluntarily buy them. When I clearly have many, many other providers to chose from."
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