Comments by "" (@timogul) on "Dr. John Campbell" channel.

He got the facts wrong in this video though. He portrayed the 3.4% figure as being for excess covid deaths, when it is actually 3.4% of ALL deaths, ie 3.4% of 10,000, or 350, which is nearly HALF of the excess deaths.
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@Suedenim1999 He can also misrepresent the stats, as he did in this video. That is a factual misrepresentation, not an opinion.
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@keenfire8151 He claimed that the 3.4% covid deaths was of the 750 excess deaths, when they were actually 3.4% of the 10,000 TOTAL deaths, or 350 total, which made roughly HALF the excess deaths. It made it seem like "unexplained excess deaths" was actually a significant thing, but in a population of hundreds of millions, it was a completely expected rounding error at most.
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@Gnrnrvids He "misread" it multiple times, and it seemed to be driving his entire point. IF only 3.4% of excess deaths were covid deaths, then that might actually be a big deal, since that would mean that 96.6% of the excess deaths were "something else," and what could those be? There might be something important there. But when nearly HALF the deaths are covid deaths, then that is basically just what you would expect to see, nothing unusual there. 350 excess covid deaths, and then the rest are just within the standard margin of error for such a vague estimate as "excess deaths." Remove the "misreading" and he doesn't have a point anymore. Remember that the "written statement" is not his, that is just the officially reported statistic. his entire contribution is the verbal part, him reacting to his misunderstanding of that statistic, and you can tell from the comments that most of the people who watched the video BELIEVE his misreporting of it, rather than recognizing that he got it wrong. Even if he did make an honest mistake, it is his responsibility to correct the record.
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@JK_JK_JK There are 450 million people living in the EU. 10,000 people died that month (0.02% of that population). This was 7% higher than their expected estimates. Half of that 7% was accounted for by covid deaths. These estimates are by no means perfect, it is just a very rough guess based on extremely complex circumstances, and getting within 7% of the actual value is extremely close, much more impressive than weather forecasting.
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@everysingleone8714 No, the grey bars do not show "excess deaths not related to covid," they showed ALL deaths not related to covid. That means if someone died of anything other than covid, even if a 90 year old died of old age, he would be in that block. "Excess deaths" are not tracked in that chart. There are the expected amount of deaths, generally speaking. Occam's razor.
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@MsGarnet77 But he is misrepresenting the stats in this video, so he is only making them MORE confusing to the layperson, not less. He is only causing harm here with his misinformation.
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@MsGarnet77 He may have had good intentions, but he got the very core of his argument wrong. The core of his argument was that there was a significant amount of non-covid excess deaths, and he pointed to several sources that he claimed said as much, but each of these sources said no such thing. Every source he cited showed that covid deaths made up almost half the excess deaths, not the "3.4%" that he claimed. It's possible that he did this out of incompetence rather than malice, but it is still misinformation regardless of how he got there, and he should take the video down and replace it with a more accurate one. Pay heed to the TRUTH, even if it's not what you want to hear.
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@keenfire8151 It's within the first half minute or so. It's the core of his thesis. Just read what is actually on the screen, and then what he says it is, and run the numbers yourself.
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@JK_JK_JK I am a bot because I pointed out that he got the statistics wrong? You are a poor judge of information.
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@MsGarnet77 What did I say that was not true? If you believe in honest reporting of information, and are not a bot yourself, you can answer that.
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@wade5941 Yes, the report did say "There were 350 deaths registered in the UK involving coronavirus (COVID-19) in the week ending 2 September 2022, down from 505 in the previous week. " It ALSO said that there were a total of 706 excess deaths in that period. So if you do basic middle school math, that's roughly 50% of those excess deaths were covid deaths and 50% were non-covid. The covid deaths made up around 3.4% of the TOTAL deaths in the UK over that period, but in the video, he reports this multiple times as the covid deaths being only 3.4% of excess deaths, rather than accurately reporting that they made up HALF of the excess deaths.
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@Gnrnrvids Well, "significant" would be like in the US during the initial covid outbreak, when there were around THIRTY THOUSAND excess deaths per month. Once the vaccines became available those deaths went way down. An 18% increase really isn't unexpected during a pandemic, it's actually pretty low. Australia got off easy because you guys practiced responsible lockdown policies and vaccination policies, so when you did finally open up the actual deaths resulting were a drop in the bucket compared to, say, California. I wish we'd had leadership as good as yours during 2020.
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@grazynkatodisco4916 No, the data is accurate. It just refuses to agree with your biases. Just because the data is not what you want to see does not make it inaccurate, that is not how science works. Science is about adapting to the data, whatever it might be.
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@grazynkatodisco4916 The data does not specify vaccinated vs unvaccinated because all that data is not tracked together. Also, there are no specific "excess deaths," you can't say "this person here? Their death was an excess death. That person over there, his was not an excess death." That's not what the term means. "Excess deaths" just means "we expected 9,300 people to die during this period of time based non long term historic data of normal causes of death, and instead 10,000 died, so there were 700 deaths higher than we expected." The "excess deaths" are not special people who died in weird ways. That does not mean that those people died to aliens or werewolves or anything crazy, it just means that they made an estimate, and the estimate was a bit low. No reason to get freaked out about getting it wrong by such a tiny amount, that happens all the time.
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@tommytwents8764 I never claimed that covid accounted for 50% of all worldwide excess deaths. I claimed, as the data Dr. John himself was inaccurately referencing noted, that there were 706 excess deaths reported in Europe during that specific time period, and that there were also 350 covid deaths during that period, so 50% of that total. Again, No single death is an "excess death" specifically, that is not how "excess deaths" works as a concept, but since covid deaths would not have been predicted from the actuarial models, we can safely subtract them from the excess death totals and what we have is the remaining overage. 356 excess deaths out of 10,000 expected deaths is within any reasonable margin of error, nothing to get worked up about. Even 706 excess deaths would not be any big deal, that sort of thing would happen all the time pre-covid. "Excess deaths" is only something to worry about when they are well above expectations, such as during the summer of 2020, before we had covid vaccines, and US excess deaths were THIRTY THOUSAND deaths higher than expectations. As for Dr. john "mis-speaking," you can tell from the comments that many people, including it seems yourself, were completely fooled by his "mistake," and believed the words he said rather than the statistics he was referencing, even though the words he said were completely wrong. That is misinformation. If you put up a graph of the truth, and then tell people a lie about that graph that leaves them with a belief that is not accurate to the truth, then that is still misinformation. The misinformation is in the final impression that the material leaves behind.
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@BerraLJ It's not "censorship" to point out medical misinformation.
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You need to find a better source of covid information, one that doesn't get BASIC stuff wrong like claiming that only 3.4% of excess deaths were covid, when the stats he was SHOWING said otherwise. The stats he was showing made clear that it was 3.4% of TOTAL deaths, 3.4% of 10,000, which is 350, or almost HALF of the excess deaths. Mixing up 3.4% and 50% is a pretty big thing to miss.
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You got the statistics completely wrong. There were 350 Covid deaths. There were 706 TOTAL excess deaths in the week. 350 of those excess deaths WERE covid deaths. That means only 456 of those deaths were non-covid. The 3.4% covid deaths you reported were of ALL deaths, not excess deaths, so 3.4% of 10,000 total deaths, which, if you do the very middleschool math involved, is 350. This is the problem, people presenting themselves as being somewhat knowledgeable while at the same time doing an EXTREMELY amateur job of it.
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@tommytwents8764 No specific death is "excess." "Excess deaths" is only an estimate, in which they predict that X amount of deaths will occur in a given period under normal conditions, and instead more deaths occur than they expected. This is always an estimate and will never be exact, because nothing is that predictable. It would be like if sports bookies expected one football team to beat another by 7 points, and they beat them by 14 points instead, these would be "excess points," but not necessarily mind blowing, and no single scoring attempt would itself be "excess," it was just the total amount. That said, deaths due to covid would not have been accounted for in standard actuarial tables, since "once in a century pandemic" would not be something that happens regularly, so if a similar amount of people died of covid as the amount of unexpected deaths in a given year, then that would sort of explain the situation.
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@earthstar7534 Yeah, but I think that Campbell will keep spreading his misinformation anyway,. and these gullible toddlers will keep lapping it up, even though the data that contradicts him is right there on the screen if they actually bothered to READ it.
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@tommytwents8764 No, but I do conceded that I was incapable of educating you on what "excess deaths" mean and why your question makes no sense. You have proven yourself quite immune to critical thinking. Congratulations?
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@freeroamer9146 No thanks, I've had enough 1984, and don't need to join the Ministry of Truth.
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@Threemore650 I can't speak to what figures he was using in another video, but it would be safe to assume that he was misunderstanding or deliberately misrepresenting some figures in that one too. "excess deaths" will always be an imprecise science, and at some point in the process covid deaths will likely be rolled into the "expected deaths" calculation, so they will cease to be excess deaths, but the currently reported excess deaths don't seem to be all that alarming.
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@BerraLJ It doesn't require "training," it only requires reading the documents HE put on screen and using basic middle school math. He claimed that the 3.4% stat applied to excess deaths, when it says right there on screen that it was 3.4% of ALL deaths, not the excess ones. Anyone actually paying attention would recognize that, only sheep who are sucking up whatever he says as gospel would fall for his pitch.
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If he were serious then he wouldn't have gotten the math so wrong. He claimed that only 3.4% of the excess deaths were covid, when in fact HALF the excess deaths were covid deaths, and he'd only just completely misunderstood and misrepresented what the data was saying. The '3.4%" figure was for the 10,000 TOTAL deaths, which would be 350, exactly as reported.
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@Gnrnrvids There are not "significantly higher excess deaths" though. There were 756 out of 10,000 total deaths. That's a blip. "Excess deaths" is not some perfectly accurate number, we don't know that exactly so many people will die in a given month so any single death on top of that is some dramatic mystery. "Excess deaths" is just an estimate based on general trends. The actual outcome will always be off by a few hundred or more, so 400 or so excess deaths not explained by covid is not anything to get concerned over. I should also point out that he carried on this misunderstanding to "the other charts," showing big scary gray bars of "excess deaths not covered by covid," when actually those gray bars were ALL deaths, excess or otherwise, so this seems to be a mistake he makes often. Maybe check his previous videos to see if it's something he often does. And any government agency that makes an error makes very clear that they correct the record. They just get accused of "making errors" far more often than they actually do. The data itself is already out there, if he just wants to make the data available, that's a good thing. But the entire point of his video was to provide MISLEADING commentary on that data based on his MISUNDERSTANDING of that data. Most of the people who watched his video left it knowing LESS true things than they knew going into it. That is a bad thing.
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@MsGarnet77 Reports that excess mortality are significantly higher than would be explained by the pandemic are all coming from conspiracy nutters. The actual medical reports, like the one he cited and misrepresented, do NOT say that, because that is not actually happening.
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@dizzywilliams3557 Yes, exactly. It is misrepresenting the data for him to claim that covid deaths were only 3.4% of all excess deaths, when the actual statistics he was showing made clear that the covid deaths were HALF of the excess deaths. They were 3.4% of ALL deaths, 3.4% of the 10,000 TOTAL deaths over that period. They were half of the 706 excess deaths.
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@tommytwents8764 Depends on the number. If 30,000 excess people were dying per month like during the summer of 2020, then that would certainly be a cause for concern, especially if you didn't already know that around that many had died of a novel virus that wouldn't have been accounted for in the predictions. But if it's only a few hundred out of 10,000 deaths, no, that';s no cause for concern, because that's within the expected margin of error of the estimates. There's never going to come closer than that on a regular basis. It's a vague estimate based on long term trends, not a precise process.
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@jfryer485 I don't know what math you're working with or what point you're trying to make here. I guess the only thing that we can agree on is that covid is a terrible virus that has killed a lot of people, and it's great that we have safe and effective vaccines to confront it, since all deaths have dropped considerably in areas that have been effectively vaccinated.
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@reverendjim Oh, that's nonsense. Whoever told you that was lying to you in an attempt to control your mind. They apparently succeeded. Learn to be a better judge of information.
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@addiumuppicus5738 If he were an actual doctor, that would matter.
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If he were serious then he wouldn't have gotten the math so wrong. He claimed that only 3.4% of the excess deaths were covid, when in fact HALF the excess deaths were covid deaths, and he'd only just completely misunderstood and misrepresented what the data was saying. The '3.4%" figure was for the 10,000 TOTAL deaths, which would be 350, exactly as reported.
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@miller-joel Reality decides what is "misinformation." Like when you say that only 3.4% of the excess deaths are covid deaths, that is misinformation, because the reality is that 3.4% of the 10,000 TOTAL deaths were covid deaths, or 350 total. He just completely misread the statistics to you and you apparently believed him instead of the actual statistics. Medical misinformation costs lives.
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@BerraLJ OR "something" is not going on and everything is operating exactly as any rational person would expect it to during a pandemic and a war and all sorts of other things we know are happening in the world, and yet some people insist on chasing shadows because it makes life feel more dramatic.
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@mironoleszczuk5660 I think that those mistakes were very central to his thesis. He seemed to be presenting a case that there were an unusually high amount of excess deaths unrelated to covid, when the fact is that the number of excess deaths unrelated to covid is exceptionally low. 350 excess deaths is practically nothing in a population of 400 million. Remember, "excess deaths" it not some hard figure, it's a VERY basic estimate, more like an almanac report than a weather report. If you're ONLY off by a few thousand deaths out of 400 million people, then that is a good week. During the middle of 2020 in the US it was closer to THIRTY THOUSAND excess deaths per month. There are no serious "questions" to be had about "how covid deaths are tracked" or any of that. That was all settled out years ago. The only people going on about that these days are crackpots who just want to believe in ghost stories and alien abductions.
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