Comments by "" (@timogul) on "RealLifeLore"
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@ttemp2631 The way I see this, it should be a global thing, it should be a treaty that hundreds of countries all sign on to, to guarantee water rights around the world. It might be part of a larger package that include other rights that China would care about, or it could be a thing where various other countries nudge China into signing onto this because they get something completely unrelated they want. I could not tell you what that would be, I just know that every country has their levers, and people who follow china much closer than me know which would be best in this situation. I'm not saying that they could definitely get China on board, I just don't see how it would be impossible. They value their autonomy over the upper Mekong, but they also value a lot of other things, both things they have that could be taken, or things they don't have that they want, big and small, and there would be a deal to be made here. I just see water rights as a major issue coming into the back 3/4 of the Century, and it would be a really good thing to get everyone on the same page.
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@ttemp2631 Yes, but nobody can GET their own interests if we accept that everyone is chasing their own interests, because EVERY interests that benefits one side also harms the other. If nobody would ever agree to a position that was not in their own interests, then nobody would ever agree to anything. So that's why you need to line things up on each side of the balance sheet so that they are good for both parties.
I want an apple. The store does not want to give me an apple, because then they would have less apples! Why would they ever give me an apple? The store wants my money. I don't want to give them my money, I want to keep my money, why would I ever agree to just give a store MY money?! But. . . if I agree to give them some of my money, and they agree to give me their apple, then I would have an apple and they would have my money, and we would both be satisfied with that arrangement!
So this is how all diplomacy works, "here is what I want, even knowing that you don't want to give me that thing, but what DO you want that I could give you so that you would agree to give me something that you don't want to?"
China clearly would prefer not to give up sovereignty over the upper Mekong, no doubt. Nobody has yet made them an offer that they would accept yet, or they would have accepted it, no doubt. But there are clearly things that China wants, and if someone offered China one of those things in exchange, they might sign on. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it would never happen in the future.
What are you not getting?
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