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If Russia is worried that NATO might attack them on humanitarian grounds, then maybe they could just. . . stop being so inhumane to their own people? I mean, wouldn't removing the pretext remove even the hint of a threat?
On point 2, if you view NATO as being "anti-evil," maybe just. . . don't be evil?
On point three, when everyone to your west is "a hammer," maybe you're just a nail? The same groups that messed with Russia over the past 300 years tended to be attacking everyone else too. Napoleon invaded Russia, but also he invaded every other part of Europe. Hitler invaded Russia, but also he invaded every other part of Europe. Russia isn't special, bub, you're just the same as everyone else.
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That would be terrible, if it were remotely true. Of course, like most things Trump tells you, it's not remotely true. The $700 was the immediate short term relief that congress has authorized FEMA to hand out right after an emergency, to cover food, travel, and housing in the very short term. Much more aid is coming to help them to rebuild, but that will take additional appropriations from congress, and congressional Republicans are currently slowing those processes, so if you want Hawaii to get more aid, contact the nearest elected Republican and tell them to get their act together.
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I'd been trying to pick up a PS5 most of last month, and participated in dozens of "drop events" on Sony's site, Best Buy, Waltmart, etc., and every one of them you were basically in or out of the running within the first second. Not seconds, first ONE second. If you were not placed in a queue at a relatively low wait time, then it was already over, and chances are you would have no chance at a decent wait time after a few seconds. Plus, they don't always announce these drops in advance, so the average person just trying to get one of these things without setting up alerts or whatever, has almost no chance at getting any of those, meanwhile the scalpers are ready 24/7.
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@llllllblodllllll The thing is, if we'd taken relatively small, reasonable steps to move away from fossil fuels 50 years ago, then we would be done by now, and it would all be fine. But they said "no, keep burning coal." If we'd made some slightly more serious choices twenty years ago, things would be fine today, but they said "no, keep burning coal." so now the decisions we need to make will be harsher still, and in twenty more years they will be incredibly harsh, but at some point the bill DOES come due. You can't just keep ignoring the problem and hope it will go away. I don't think we can eliminate fossil fuels immediately, as some protesters want, but I do think that we need to be making serious investments today to prevent MUCH more costly solutions in the future.
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@rogvarley6971 Not exactly true. The thing with the national debt is that it's a rolling debt, if we owe $32T today, then we will pay off ALL of that $32T within the next 20 years or so, everyone who loaned us that money will walk away with their promised amount. But also we are likely to take out new debt over that period so that we end up at or above what it is now. So in that sense, plenty of tax dollars go into paying off the debt, we just also take out new debt to pay for the other important stuff.
But also, we do spend the tax dollars on things so that we don't need to run up more debt than we currently do. I mean, right now, last year the US brought in $4.9T, and spent $6.3T, so the debt went up by $1.4 trillion, but without those tax revenues, it would have gone up over four times FASTER.
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Which is a fair point. The one place where I could see a role for affirmative action would be in removing legacy advantage entirely. The thing to keep in mind, however, is that let's say a school does include Legacy admissions, and that means that out of 100 slots, 20 slots are automatically off the table, and they go to white children of white parents. does that mean that it would be fair to offer 20 offsetting slots to non-white students, since those 20 white students got a free pass? Of course not, because if there were 5 white students applying that would be deserving of those slots in a fair contest, they are in no way benefiting from the fact that the 20 legacy students got in, so why should they be punished for the color of their skin?
That's the problem when you consider race as a factor, the result will inevitably be racist, even if the goal is to balance out inequality. Deliberate race-based "balancing" only makes sense when you are considering race as some sort of a war, where races are winning and losing based on collective gains. In the actual world, it's all just individuals, one white person gains little due to another white person's achievement, so if ten white people do very well, that's no reason to knock a different white person back a peg to "balance things out." If the problem is certain white people gaining an advantage, then you correct that advantage, you don't try to take away from different people of that same skin color.
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Oh man, this inspired a million dollar idea. Santa for Adults. Yeah, Christmas is more fun when you were a kid and you got all those toys, but now you're old and you don't. So have a company where you place an order, and they will put together a giant box (like the size of what boomers remember a large TV to be), with a bunch of smaller, wrapped boxes, and you can just open it up and see all those wrapped presents, and then inside is stuff. Maybe you could purchase individual items and they would just wrap them for you, maybe you could just give a general theme and they would pick items at random (cheaper), etc., but the point is, you get a ton of mysterious wrapped gifts on Christmas day, just like when you were a kid. Or you could just oder one of these for your own kid and not have to do all the shopping yourself.
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If you have, hypothetically, a single dictator for 50+ years, but he is crazy, and changes policies on a whim that can completely upend decision making, then that might be "stable" in the form of who is in charge, but is not "stable" in terms of the rules you have to strategize around. True "stability" would require that the rules are fair and consistent, that if I go in today under a certain set of rules, that those rules are likely to be the same twenty years later, or at least any changes made would be fair and predictable (like a new regulation after a disaster made it clear such regulation was needed, rather than "because The Boss says so.")
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@nestorv7627 You asked how capitalism and workers rights are at odds with each other. The important thing to keep in mind is that "true capitalism" is rarely scene in the world, pretty much every country, including the US, is a balance of capitalism and socialism, like cutting a stiff drink with something milder. Pure capitalism is at odds with human rights because human rights do not benefit capital. Human rights are expensive, and if you can avoid paying for them and still make the same profits, then raw capitalism would avoid paying for them. There is no benefit to capitalism for having human rights beyond the absolute minimum to sustain their needed workforce, and the more they can drive that bare minimum down, and the more they can remove human labor from the equation, they will do so, or they will be failing at capitalism. But in most countries, that was attempted over 100 years ago, and riots ensued, resulting in governments imposing limitations on capitalism to ensure certain levels of human rights.
The funny thing is, A lot of "pro capitalist" people point at countries like the USSR or Communist China as an example of "evil socialism," when the reality is that they are examples of "evil authoritarianism," and all the bad outcomes that they point to as a result would be no less true of a 100% pure capitalist system than they are in an authoritarian communist system, the only difference is that the "government" at the top of a 100% capitalist system would claim to be a "corporation."
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Hawaii should just work on a subsidized economy, a bit like Alaska. Make it so that all tourism and "wealthy folk" profits are heavily taxed, not so much as to kill those markets, but just enough that the state get a significant windfall from it. Then have subsidy programs, first for all peoples who can prove ancestry on the islands dating back 50+ years, they would get a significant subsidy program. Then secondly for newer inhabitants that live on the island most of the year (as opposed to people with timeshares or vacation homes), and are employed on the island, they would have access to some more modest subsidies, to help encourage foreign workers as needed. As for housing, there would be subsidized housing programs, to provide plenty of affordable housing for everyone, if not in the most beachfront, detached housing they might want.
I think this would strike a reasonable balance of allowing the tourism industry to go full steam, while also allowing the locals to live a lifestyle well higher than their productivity.
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Yeah, the thing is, cities built up at a time without high speed transit, and were designed so that most people lived within walking distance of where they worked (if maybe a longer walk for poorer people). Then over time, trains and later cars allowed people to work in the city but live out in the country, which was more pleasant, and in response, cities had less and less affordable housing, to the point that many city centers have no housing at all, or at most luxury places that only CEOs can afford, and everyone else has to commute crazy distances. And then the next step was just to build offices out nearer the suburbs, where people could much more comfortably commute. So now there's no point to the city centers. I think cities need to fully reorganize so that businesses and homes for all scales of workers can live side by side, and nobody needs to commute more than a few subway stops and a short walk.
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I will never understand why some people freak out about mask wearing. I started wearing a mask right when the first hints of an outbreak were starting, it just made sense, and I still haven't gotten covid. I have stopped wearing a mask in most situations, because myself and those around me have been vaccinated and the risks are decreased, but if I were going someplace with a lot of strangers from other parts of the country, like a concert, convention, or theme park, I would still wear a mask when indoors. The issue is that some people are comparing the results of cheap cloth masks or "barely" masks, to the results from more serious surgical or N95 masks, which are very different things. The other major issue is that since masks do more to protect others from your breath than they do to protect you from them, masking mostly works when everyone uses them, and situations where the rule is to wear masks but the most reckless people insist on not doing so, it greatly reduces the effectiveness for everyone else. It's part of the reason the US saw ten times as many deaths as countries that didn't have as many idiots running around.
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Yeah, Capitalism is great when balanced by a strong government that is isolated from capitalist influence. On the government side, this requires strong laws against any form of corporate involvement in the election process, no campaign donations, no advertising, obviously no direct bribery, no way for corporations to spend money to curry favor with politicians, before, during, or after their time in office.
As for what government needs to do with that power, strong regulations to prevent destruction of lives and public resources, strong taxation policies to balance out the wealth generated at the top of capitalism and redistribute it to the bottom, and social safety nets to protect even those with no economic value.
If you can balance the two well, let Capitalism do its thing but restrict the most excessive choices available to it, then it works out just fine. It's like a sports league, you want to let the players play, but if you don't have any rules then it's just quick bloodbath in which most of the players are out of commission by the end of the season.
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Laziness is no excuse. Just because it's cheaper to record the same dialog doesn't mean that it's justified. AC shouldn't be a fantasy game, the franchise originally took their historical setting seriously. The only difference between the setting in an AC game and the real world should be the covert activities of the Templars and Assassins behind the scenes of known history.
"AC has never been a historical simulation, and when AC fans complain about historical inaccuracy it's usually only when the developers make playable female characters. They're alright with Ancient Aliens creating humanity as a slave race and Assassins being an ancient order of freedom fighters locked in an endless battle with the Knights Templar who are a prehistoric evil conspiracy controlling the world from the shadows, though. At least there are no cooties there."
This paragraph betrays a prejudice that's unwarranted. This is not about having a female protagonist, I've been playing as female protagonists in most of the games I've played over the past few years. I bought a PS4 just to play Horizon on. But if you do have a female protagonist in a historical simulation game, the character needs to be portrayed accurately to that time period. A female character can be an exception to rules, she can behave any way she wants, but that society should react to her presence as that society would react.
As I said, part of the draw of this series is that it portrays an alternate depiction of history. The entire point of it is that it should be a history that could have happened in our real world, and we were just unaware of certain aspects. This franchise is not and should not be about "fantasy" where the setting is only loosely related to the real world, that is what God of War is for. If Ubisoft wants to make a game like that, they can, but they should call it something other than Assassin's Creed.
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@mdav30 I think you want it to be simpler than it is. It is very complicated. Yes, it would be nice if we could cleanly hold debate to the more "questionable" edges of it, but the fact is that there are plenty of people even in blue states that try to deny the existence of any trans person, especially any trans person who is not yet an adult, so we can't ignore that those people exist when having a discussion on the topic.
I think that there can be reasonable debate around things like sports, but those debates need to keep in mind that some people participating will be coming at it from the perspective that "trans women are just men trying to cheat," and that while these people are idiots, they may also be Senators.
The way I figure it, if we're going to debate trans people in women's sports, we need to start from the position that trans women are women, and that any group that is defined by "for women" needs to allow them to participate. So then the question becomes "what is the point of women's sports" in the first place, why is it not just "sports," and if we are going to have two different divisions of "sport," then perhaps instead of "mens" and "womens," there should be some other line drawn as to which people can participate in each.
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@DontTreadOnMe17 I have seen all the emails, none of them indicate that Facuis was lying. If someone told you that he was, then they either did not understand the public statement he made, or they did not understand what his email meant.
And yes, covid 19 infections started in 2019, that is why it's called "covid 19" and not "covid 20." We didn't know the full scope of covid 19 until later, but we were aware that Something_ was circulating in Wuhan China. This has been public knowledge since last spring. And yes, Trump knew about the virus months before it was a matter of public interest, and if he had taken steps to protect the country at the time, similar to what Obama had done during SARS, he could have saved a lot of US lives.
Everything else about your post is conspiracy theory nonsense.
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@Gnrnrvids He "misread" it multiple times, and it seemed to be driving his entire point. IF only 3.4% of excess deaths were covid deaths, then that might actually be a big deal, since that would mean that 96.6% of the excess deaths were "something else," and what could those be? There might be something important there. But when nearly HALF the deaths are covid deaths, then that is basically just what you would expect to see, nothing unusual there. 350 excess covid deaths, and then the rest are just within the standard margin of error for such a vague estimate as "excess deaths." Remove the "misreading" and he doesn't have a point anymore. Remember that the "written statement" is not his, that is just the officially reported statistic. his entire contribution is the verbal part, him reacting to his misunderstanding of that statistic, and you can tell from the comments that most of the people who watched the video BELIEVE his misreporting of it, rather than recognizing that he got it wrong. Even if he did make an honest mistake, it is his responsibility to correct the record.
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@wadewilson524 That's a misuse of the concepts Orwell was discussing. Orwell was actually arguing AGAINST the same sort of misinformation I am. The problem with 1984 was not that an authoritative voice was telling people what was true, the problem was that the things they were saying were true, weren't actually true. They were presenting misinformation as truth, and THAT was the problem. So long as what is said IS true, there is no conflict.
"For instance, if creationism is determined as the “right side” of the debate by whomever gets to be the arbiter of truth , then research or opinion on evolution becomes suppressed. "
And? That should be a given, in an actual scientific debate. Nobody should have "opinions" that contradict the evidence without data to back them up. Now, if there were any evidence to support creationism, then it would be a more open debate, but in lack of any such evidence, there is no virtue in enabling those who refuse to accept that they are wrong.
"Even on the nuances of climate change, highly qualified scientists have differences of opinion."
On minor details? Sure, and rational debate continues on such topics. But on the broader points? No, there are no highly qualified scientists that disagree with the general consensus, and it's a distortion of reality to pretend otherwise.
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I wouldn't want any kid to feel pressured into changing themselves, but I don't think any really do. The medical guidance is to start with plenty of counseling, and the point of that is to figure out what the patient actually WANTS. They might be offered the option to take certain steps, and be talked through everything that would involve, but no good doctor would say "well, you must get surgery done, and try to convince the patient of that.
I know that doctors are not perfect, and that there might be some shoddy doctors out there who would be overly aggressive about such things, but I think that for the most part such doctors only live as boogeymen on right wing social media, meant to scare parents and politicians. I do think that we need to take reasonable good faith steps to ensure that doctors treating potentially trans children are well educated on the dos and don'ts, that before any massive changes are made that the child has received effective medical guidance, but I also think that it's important that these tools remain available for those individuals that WANT to have them, and that proper medical guidance indicates would be helpful to them.
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@tylerthomas7763 But the way I see it, there is a ticking clock. And we need to respect that ticking clock. Plenty of decisions can wait until someone is an adult. Most surgical changes can wait, assuming that the person is reasonably stable without them. Obviously someone can wait to adulthood to decide to have children, or what job to take, or things like that. But puberty will happen sometime between 10 and 15 (assuming relatively average biology), and that WILL cause permanent changes to them, changes that would be a hideous scar to someone who rejects that gender.
So that being the case, it would be cruel to withhold medical treatment from someone that could prevent that. We need to take them seriously. Apply appropriate counseling, make certain that they fully understand ALL sides of the topic, and that the doctors fully understand the patient's mental state and choices, but at the bare minimum they should have the right to hold off on puberty as they consider their options, and to enter puberty on their own terms if that is what they decide. This should be a long process to a point, but not if the purpose of it is to "stall out the clock" and force them into a circumstance that they do not want. The medical treatments should be available if that is what they want.
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I do think that the next step for Amazon is to shift back toward the store model, but in a new way. Have their giant Amazon warehouses, but adjacent to that, have a showroom floor. Let companies with products lease that showroom space to show off large items that people would want to personally interact with before buying, or that would be prohibitive to return. Amazon would be proving them the space to demo their products to the customers. This would be more like an Ikea than a Walmart, something you wouldn't have in every town, but within driving distance for most people.
For clothing, they would keep popular stuff in stock, and you could try it on in store. you could also "store order" an item off their website, have it delivered to the store rather than your home, try it on in the store, and if you didn't want to keep it, then it would remain in their custody and they could use their normal logistics to get it to another new customer, rather than considering it "damaged goods." This method could offer a discount to the consumer that the ship to home model would not.
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@lawrence8146 Sure. In 2020, there was a global pandemic that massively disrupted economies all around the world. Manufacturers cut production, oil producers cut production, all on the expectation of reduced demand. In 2021, when people were getting vaccinated and businesses started to open back up, demand massively increased and there was no supply to fill it. Supply chains struggled to keep up, oil production increased at a lower rate than demand, and oil prices rose. Since most global production requires oil for transportation, this raised the prices on just about everything.
So over 2021 and 2022, inflation went up all over the world. Gas prices in the UK were over $7 a gallon, and their inflation was as high as 14%. Joe Biden managed to spare Americans a lot of that, and kept inflation way down what it was in most countries, well below what it would have been under conservative governments like the UK has, but it would be impossible to prevent all the inflation that resulted from the basic supply and demand disruptions that 2021 and 2022 had.
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@tolowokere Nothing about the bill enforces the rights of parents, it only allows them to interfere with schools that they do not agree with, which should not be their right. The school is not there for them, it's there for the children.
One parent does not get to dictate the curriculum for an entire classroom of students. If the parent does not like the curriculum being taught, then they can remove their child from that school, not change how the school is run.
And yes, the bill limits discussions of LGBT people in classrooms, which we should agree is wrong. There is no reason why entire swaths of humanity should be considered forbidden from classroom discussions.
It should also be pointed out that the language of the bill is intentionally extremely vague, so while you might make arguments that it "doesn't do this," or "shouldn't be used like that," the law itself certainly can and has been used to stifle reasonable discussion. "Age appropriate" carries a lot of weight, since some people would consider even mentioning LGBT people to a child would not be "age appropriate."
Also, you missed my point if you thought that I expected her sexual acts to be discussed in class, NOBODY is in favor of that, but if she engages in LGBT activities, then she should not be in favor of legislation that prevents that concept from being socially acceptable to discuss. NOBODY is promoting discussion of sexual acts in young student classes, but discussing LGBT people has nothing whatsoever to do with discussing bedroom activities, and it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
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@kmoses582 You didn't say where you got your information either, I don't take that personally. You're counting Cat5s that made landfall at that strength. If you count all cat 5s recorded, there have been 42 total, eight of them being in the '00s, six in the '10s, and four over the past 4 years. That'd be 18 out of 42 over the past 25 years, compared to an average of 9 per 25 years over the previous 75, so basically double the rate. You can look them up yourself if you think I was making the numbers look pretty, they'll paint the same picture however you choose to line them up.
Storms in the tropics are more or less a constant, they were always there and always will be, and where they make landfall and what is there to hit when they do will always be random, so it's always possible for one huge storm to hit one soft target and cause a lot of damage. But what we're facing here is that the storms being produced will be stronger than they used to be, and stronger in the future than they are today, just by a bit, but enough to have a massive shift to their potential harm, if they hit the wrong place. Imagine all the cat 1 and cat 2s that will become 2s and 3s and 4s instead.
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I do think that it's fair to define a market based on the outcomes. If someone goes out looking for "product X" within a certain price range, and there is only one company that provides that product, then that would be a monopoly on that product, even if other, different products exist. If there are multiple providers of that product, and they consolidate into one, then that is reducing competition within that market. Now whether this is "too much" is more subjective.
Also, it's fair to point out that a market like this one is not necessarily easy to shift. If the bags got more expensive, that does not mean that a different brand could easily fill the gap in the marketplace, because they would not only need to build up supply chains to produce those bags, but also design them, AND they would need to build brand recognition, which would be essential in the space. Basically, companies producing "bargain" bags at the moment would not have the wherewithal to launch an "affordable luxury" brand, and even if they managed it, the customers would be slow to accept them. That is a legitimate concern.
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@AlexM-oq5el I think that there have been far fewer examples of communism of any sort than there have been of Capitalism. You can point to the most notable examples, like say the US as a success story of capitalism, but for every US, there are dozens of capitalist countries that are no better off than the USSR was, and many of them far worse. The major issues have much more to do with politics than they do with economics. The USSR happened to be an example of an authoritarian regime, and the hardships of their citizens were the result of that authoritarian regime. After they rose to power, the western powers took a stance of "never again (if we can do anything about it)" and would crush any nascent communist state where they could find it.
The only ones "allowed" to exist were those sufficiently backed by the USSR to resist western pressures, which meant that A. They ended up following soviet-style policies, rather than forging their own pathways to success, and B. they were economically punished by the west, limiting their ability to thrive as a global power.
I'm not arguing that this was necessarily a bad thing, from a political standpoint, the USSR was a serious threat, and denying them influence and support was as vital to global security as denying the capitalist modern Russia support is, but it is important to be aware of this as a reason why it is hard to fairly compare the economic models of capitalism and communism.
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@coreyb9240 Because the American people are NOT "just getting one check." That is only one part of the bill. American people are also getting things like improved unemployment payouts, food aid benefits to families, funding to keep schools and transit open, a significant child tax credit, vaccine distribution, health insurance subsidies, etc. Basically, the $1400 is the floor of what people get, but the more in need people are, the more additional functions the bill provides for them. Just handing people cash is not always the best solution to a problem, but it can be a part of a solution.
But yes, conservatives pushed the Democrats to lower the top-end of the eligibility requirements so that some people will be getting less. We need bigger Democratic majorities in the Senate so we can avoid that sort of thing in future.
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@IlPinnacolo That's really not how predictive models work. some amount of "flaw" is inevitable, and an accepted part of the process. If you were taking a chemistry class, and measuring your results using lab scales, your result likely was wrong, buy at least some amount, and your professor probably accepted that, so long as you were within an acceptable margin of error. That doesn't mean that there is no point to using ANY data because all of it is less than perfect.
To your second point, yes, anthropogenic warming is real, and while it could be argued that other, more significant threats exist, this is at least one of the largest, and one that we are in a better position to do anything about than most more threatening ones. It is possible that other things might destroy the planet first, like an asteroid, but it's still worth trying to solve the problems we can, just in case those other problems do not manifest. Many of the other problems in the world are only made worse by ignoring climate change, such as hunger, warfare, and illness.
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@IlPinnacolo You keep throwing around "debate buzzwords" rather than making actual arguments to support your position. and using them incorrectly, at that.
And so you use weather models, you trust those, even though every one of them is wrong. Every one of them will claim that a temperature will be slightly higher or lower than it turns out to be, it will claim that there is a 10% chance of rain, and then either it will rain or it won't. If the weather model was so accurate, then why didn't it just say which it would be?
But if you use the weather models then you understand and accept that they have these inaccuracies, that while they are not perfect, they are far better than just taking a guess and hoping for the best. And the same is true of climate models. They are not perfect, but they are accurate enough to base decisions on.
When a climate model is inaccurate, it is not completely wrong, it is not the opposite of correct, it is just slightly off, in that it might be a few years ahead or behind of the resulting data. It is still close enough to work with, and far better than working off no data at all.
Also, the reason why the warming coincided with the most prosperous period in history is pretty clear, it's because that period resulted from burning millions of years worth of of accumulated solar energy, all over a few centuries. This put those millions of years worth of stored carbon into the air, where it caused heating. How can you not already know this?
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@kasper7203 I never claimed that the US has guaranteed support for Taiwan independence. No one has. The US has always had support for Taiwanese safety from Chinese aggression, so long as Taiwan continues to tread water.
No, Taiwan will not declare independence for four reasons. 1. There are a lot of Taiwanese that don't want independence. They mostly don't want China to take over either, but they genuinely prefer the "ambiguity" to either confirmed status. 2. Even with the Us backing, China might attack them and rough them up a bit before things settled back down. Lives might be lost and property damaged, even if they eventually succeeded. 3. Even if Taiwan became 100% independent without a deadly war, China would be even more hostile to them than before, likely damaging trade significantly. The US would protect Taiwan from attack, but not from economic strain. and 4. The US would definitely protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression, but might not protect Taiwan if they started it. If Taiwan got particularly belligerent toward China, then the US might withdraw support. This is made clear to them via diplomatic channels.
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Again, criticizing the subject of the video does not meet the copyright definition of "criticism," because it is not criticizing the video itself. If you are criticizing the film-making, the artistic intent, etc., that is fair use. This video and your earlier video about the copyright claim are both fair use on these grounds. Taking the video and using it to make fun of the Musk fans in the video is not a fair use of the material because it is not criticizing the artistic choices of the creator of that video. It is fair to say that you wanted to make fun of the fans in the video, but you would need to pay the copyright holder to be able to do so. People who are around the filmmaker as he films do not remove his copyrights. An easy example of this would be if someone does a documentary about a serial killer, and you take footage of that, and use it to criticize the documentary itself, that is fair use. If you talk about how it handled the story, that is fair use, but if you take footage from the documentary to make your own analysis of the serial killer, not the work of the documentary, but the subject of it, then that is not a fair use.
Also, the "market" in Mahlmann's case would not be "people who want to make fun of him," the market would be "people who want his angle on the crash," which is a different angle than the other videos.
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@mylesleggette7520 Unfortunately, I've heard a lot of stories directly out of the mouths of parents who are in denial over their children's identity. They will swear up and down that their child is "definitely just faking it" or whatever they have to tell themselves, and that they "got over it and are perfectly happy now,," until they have to put that in their child's obituary.
Abuse comes in many forms, and a parent does not have to beat their child to cause them harm. There are plenty of parents out there who would be perfectly normal people so long as everything fits into their own world view, but as soon as something steps outside of what they consider to be acceptable, they lose all rationality.
I would like to be able to "believe parents," but history has proven that to be a mistake. I think that the standard needs to be "best judgement in the interests of the child." The correct outcome needs to come from a fair consideration of the viewpoints of the child, the medical professionals, the parents, and in some cases judges, but the interests of the child need to come first.
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@painandsuffer Because the way US debt works is, we basically promise someone "you give us $1000 today, and in twenty years, we'll give you $1050." This is a locked in transaction. If someone bought such a bond 20 years ago yesterday, then yesterday the federal government gave him $1050, fully paying off that debt. And this happens every day, all the debt taken on 5, 10, 20 years ago, is fully paid off every day.
But of course because we don't have the tax revenues to pay off this debt, we take out new debt to cover the old, so the overall amount of US debt stays fairly consistent or rising. The only time we had any decent chance of reducing the overall debt was at the end of the Clinton administration, but then Bush made a lot of tax cuts for wealthy people and that blew out the deficit.
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@SomeUserNameBlahBlah Nah. For one thing, there would be people to buy them, just not at a rate that China might want, since they would make less than they spent. Global markets are not stupid, they know a political play when they see it. If a sovereign country plays games with another country's debt, they see that happening and know it for what it is, and would take no position on the overall economic health of that country. Also, even if Treasury did decide to buy those back, which, again, they have no reason to, that amount is a drop in the bucket overall.
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@Coffeepanda294 Well, you argued that they couldn't. If say a group of thieves wanted to sneak around, they could park in one part of a neighborhood, use footpaths to travel around it, and then hit homes that are less traceable to their vehicles. Without footpaths, they would also be able to move through back yards, but would be much more conspicuous while doing so.
In any case, if home owners do not want strangers walking beside their homes, then that is their business, not yours. If they choose to buy homes in neighborhoods that prevent such things, then that is their choice to make.
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I think the point as they explained it is valid. For one thing, they didn't cite it as the only reason, but merely as one reason that it might be increasing.
Second, partisanship is very very very real, and while there are plenty of divisions and diversity within any coalition, viewpoints tend to align across the board. If a person leans left/right on a half dozen or so issues, or very strongly believes in a few, then they will be more likely to also support most if not all the other viewpoints held on that side, because the media that they tend to watch will tend to reinforce that side, the politicians they elect to support their own priorities will also be supporting those other priorities, etc.
You might not go in caring about that cause, but over time, you would be more likely to shift toward support of it than someone who is firmly in an opposing ideological camp.
Broadly speaking, it likely is a factor here, that as Israel as presented to young people i more about aligning with far right positions, they would flinch away from it, whereas to older generations, their viewpoints were entrenched in prior periods of a more moderate and post-holocaust position.
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@IlPinnacolo Of course we have more confidence in predicting the weather three days from now than we have in predicting anything ten years from now, that's not in dispute. But that also does not mean that we don't have enough confidence in the predictions for future decades to act on them. Nobody ended up in worse shape from listening to climate scientists. They are not precise, but they are very useful.
And again, you do not need to have confidence in climate predictions down to a fraction of a degree. The results are likely to be off by well more than that, and that's ok. The goal is not to nail the result to within fractions of a degree, the result is that the temperature will be rising, and that this is bad. If the temperature in twenty years is a half of a degree higher or lower than predicted, that really does not matter much, but pretty much everyone agrees that it will be higher than it is today, unless we take steps to change that outcome.
Also, I don't have to convince you of anything. You can remain unconvinced. The world will move on with or without your agreement. I would like you to be the sort of person that is convincable on this topic, but there's no guarantee of that, and frankly based on your comments I doubt it's possible. What is correct or not is not defined by what you personally agree to.
As to why this process has led to so much prosperity? We are not fully into the "and find out" phase yet. If someone is cold, and they start a fire in their living room, then they will be "the warmest they have ever been" for some amount of time, but eventually that decision will have negative consequences. Right now, the human race is spending millions of years of stored resources. We're burning oil and gas. We're pumping aquifers that take centuries to replenish. We are achieving maximum productivity, but not sustainable productivity.
More and more, over time, our efforts to maintain this level of growth will hit roadblocks. The water will cease to be available, the oil will run out, we will need plans for this. More and more land that is currently arable will become impossible to farm. More and more areas that have quality water sources will dry up. Weather will become more chaotic and destructive. Some warm places will become uninhabitably hot. These changes are only getting started and haven't hit their breaking point yet, but we can see that wall quickly approaching.
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@eduardopena5893 Even assuming that were possible (it's no, of course), it would also mean cutting off nearly a trillion dollars per year in US trade, and bankrupt thousands of American businesses, big and small.
Drugs do not travel into the US across the desert, they cross at legal ports of entry, smuggled in through various hiding methods in trucks and shipping containers. No "walls" would have any impact on that, and so far, terrorists that enter the county do so via airports, not the southern border (although most terrorists in the US were white Americans that were born here).
We do agree that legal immigration needs to improve, and Democrats have been pushing for that for decades, but Republicans have no interest in it, because they prefer to run on "chaos at the border, be scared!!!!"
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I don't think it's the National Archives' responsibility to track every classified document, their job in this case had more to do with specific documents related to the Presidency. Like they knew that Donald Trump had kept some documents that he should not have, which is why they were trying to recover those, but they had no idea he'd taken so many as he was leaving. I think that classified documents in general would be more the responsibility of the CIA, FBI, and NSA, but even they might not keep track of each one on a 1:1 basis. I suppose that might be a good idea though, check it out, check it in, if it's not checked back in, someone comes looking for it.
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@seraeggobutterworth5247 Nowhere in the 14th amendment does it say or imply that someone needs to be charged, tried, OR convicted of any crime to fall under the 14th's provisions. In fact, most of those who were disqualified from a ballot under the 14th were never charged, tried, or convicted of anything. The 14th does not say "if they have been convicted of insurrection," or anything of the sort, it only says "if they violate their oaths of office, which Trump did. A judge or other duly appointed election official is constitutionally justified in making such a determination, but of course higher authorities could overrule their determination. But again, legal convictions are 100% irrelevant to the process, I have no idea why so many on the right seem convinced that this is a winning argument for them.
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@User_yhvz There are too many people coming to our borders for our current systems to process, that is a fact, and we need to be doing more to support them at the federal level, rather than leaving them up to cities to care for. Part of the problem there, which those city's mayors have addressed, is that while they are being processed, they are not allowed to work legally, and changing that could solve the problems. We also need ot be massively increasing the number of border judges we have, so that people aren't stuck in limbo for years.
But the point is, that is NOT an "open border," people are still being caught, processed, and then either deported, or allowed to apply for asylum, same as in any previous administration. Things are just a lot rougher south of the border than they used to be, so there are a lot more people willing to risk life and limb to get here.
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@ Well, a few reasons. First, because as a consumer I very much prefer it, just checking out myself without having to interact with a cashier. It's faster, more efficient, and more comfortable to me. Second, any job that a machine is capable of, it should do, to take that burden off of humans. Why drag a plow by hand when a cow can do it? Why make a cow do it when a tractor can? Why force a human to spend eight hours in a cubicle doing mindless tasks, when they could be enjoying their life more?
People should not be defined by their productivity. We shouldn't be fighting to keep humans in pointless, unnecessary jobs, just so that they have "a job," we should be working toward a future where people don't need jobs to life a secure and fulfilling life.
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That's not true at all. Whatever problems you think we have now, a default will ALWAYS make things MUCH worse. Think of it like this, you have a good job, you make good money, but you also run up credit card debts, and while you are perfectly able to pay off your credit card bills, and keep doing so for decades at the current rates, the balance is still creeping up a bit. so you decide to just stop paying your bills. Then your credit rating goes through the floor, and your credit rates double, and now you can't keep up with those payments anymore, because it's costing you twice as much to borrow as it used to, and things just spiral completely out of control. The only people who say that we can just default and it's fine are idiots, unfortunately, they hold the House majority at the moment.
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Climate change is a more serious concern than all of those, but it's slow and quiet, so it sneaks up on people, rather than being sharp and sudden like an atomic bomb. Like to compare it to nuclear war, such an exchange would kill a lot more people all at once, but the lasting effects of it would settle down a lot faster than climate change is, and over the next hundreds of years would likely end up killing fewer people. Also, nuclear war is entirely avoidable by just choosing not to have a nuclear war, whereas climate change is happening, and would take significant work to stop.
As for AI, it's way too hard to predict how that plays out, but could either be terrible or great. There's really not much anyone's planning to "do" about that though.
As for asteroids, a big enough asteroid could do more harm than climate change, but we have a pretty good idea that no such asteroid is heading our way, and hopefully we would be able to stop it if we did. We're putting reasonable effort into that possibility.
As for world hunger and disease, climate change is the largest contributing factor in both problems, and that will only become worse as climate change gets worse, so efforts to solve climate change helps solve both.
So basically, of all the problems facing the world today, climate change is probably the most significant one to tackle. I don't think it's reasonable to spend ALL our resources on it, and I don't think we need to "pause" all other activities because not everyone would really have anything meaningful to add to climate change research, so it's better they do something else, but we should definitely be spending more than we currently are.
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@socratesrocks1513 The models of the past were based on nothing changing in response to them. Things changed in response to them, which gave us some time. It's like if a car is driving toward a wall 100m away at 10m per second, and your models predict that the car will hit that wall in ten seconds, so you hit the brakes, and ten seconds later you still haven't quite hit that wall, it's not because the models were wrong.
"The simple fact is, so long as over 50% of CO2 (if it IS an issue and, given it was much higher in the past and we're still here, I'm still not convinced)"
I want to make sure you understand something. You do understand that CO2 was NEVER higher than it is now within human history, right? No HUMAN has had to live with as much CO2 as we currently have. There were times in Earth's history in which CO2 was higher, but the plants and animals that were adapted to that world are mostly extinct now, and most creatures currently on earth could not adapt to the conditions that would result from that, particularly not in the places they currently live. Higher CO2 would not likely wipe out ALL life on Earth, but it would be a mass extinction, including most of humanity.
"So long as the wealthy put out tons upon tons of CO2 with their private jets and yachts (both excluded from EU CO2 taxes, btw), "
Look, it's fair to hate the rich, but all their jets and yachts combined are a drop in the bucket when compared to a single rush hour freeway. It would be nice if they stopped that sort of thing, but it is no excuse for other people to not do what they can.
"Appeal to authority instead of argument and facts isn't science, "
Pointing to the scientific consensus is not an appeal to authority argument, it is an appeal to data argument. You are the only one making an appeal to authority argument when you cite pet scientists who confirm your biases.
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Any country in which a country might choose to incorporate while not being the place where that company's executives live and work, is a tax haven. There is no reason why any business would be incorporated in a Swiss PO Box other than tax avoidance, so as long as that practice remains active, they are a tax haven. If they want to stop being a tax haven, then stop allowing that practice.
I personally think that the larger industrialized countries of the world should join together and sign up to a "tax fairness zone," in which a tax "minimum wage" is set up, with the rule being that if this minimum amount is set at, say, 30%, then ANY business that operates in ANY of these countries will be expected to pay a total of 30% tax to someone. If they just pay that 30% to their home country, then fine, burden covered. If, however, they set up in some tax haven with an 8% rate, and only pay 8%, then they will still owe 22% to someone, and will have to pay it off. That money needs to be passed into the hands of some government, a sort of "you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here" policy. If they're going to be offloading that money anyway, then it may as well go to the country they are physically established in anyway, rather than off to some tax haven.
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@grazynkatodisco4916 The data does not specify vaccinated vs unvaccinated because all that data is not tracked together.
Also, there are no specific "excess deaths," you can't say "this person here? Their death was an excess death. That person over there, his was not an excess death." That's not what the term means. "Excess deaths" just means "we expected 9,300 people to die during this period of time based non long term historic data of normal causes of death, and instead 10,000 died, so there were 700 deaths higher than we expected." The "excess deaths" are not special people who died in weird ways.
That does not mean that those people died to aliens or werewolves or anything crazy, it just means that they made an estimate, and the estimate was a bit low. No reason to get freaked out about getting it wrong by such a tiny amount, that happens all the time.
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@TheMajorpickle01 I can get why Turkey would want people to use the toll road, and I get why they would want to force a renegotiation on the treaty. My point though is that if the treaty says "you aren't allowed to mess with the natural waterways," then building a canal would not suddenly allow them to "mess with the waterways if you like." They should still be required to leave those natural waterways unobstructed and allow nature to takes its course.
Realistically, if the current average wait time is, say, ten hours, and they do build the canal, and some portion of the traffic decides to pay to use it, then that would actually reduce the traffic on the natural routes, reducing wait times even further, so they might go away completely, causing people to not use the toll lane, causing wait times to go up, etc. ;) But either way, they should never end up higher than they would be without the canal.
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@mharris5047 No, the "well regulated militia" clause is in there because the militia WAS the military at the time, and people needed to be armed for national defense. That became irrelevant once the US developed an adequate standing army. We can agree on weapons of war, get those off the market, but most murders in this country are done using handguns, so not including those would mean condemning thousands each year unnecessarily.
While I'm willing to take any small steps forward that are on the table, I do think that we would be our best nation once we had a pretty much complete ban on firearms. There could be exemptions for reasonable hunting rifles, in a well regulated fashion, and there can be secure shooting ranges where sport rifles and pistols could be stored and played with, but there's really no justification for these weapons just hanging out on America's streets. I mean, that 6 year old who shot his teacher got his gun from parents who claim that they kept their gun safely secured, and why should I trust any other gun owner more than I do them?
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@theclearsounds3911 "An inconvenient truth" was far from the start of anything, it was only a popular presentation on decades of prior science on the topic. The oil industry knew climate change was real and their fault decades before an Inconvenient Truth.
The reason "global warming" turned into "climate change" was an attempt to reduce the confusion, because some people out there thought "well, it was snowing in winter, so clearly no global warming," because they could not understand how the climate works.
And yes, CO2 is factually pollution. Most things that are pollution exist in nature, and even exist in the human body. What makes things pollution is when they are present in high enough amounts that they cause problems. A little CO2 is good and healthy, we all need a little CO2, the amount we had two hundred years ago. Nobody is talking about removing all CO2 from the world. But too much of anything is unhealthy, too much oxygen is unhealthy, too much water is unhealthy, and certainly too much CO2 is unhealthy, and the current amount of CO2 production is unhealthy, it is more than the Earth can balance out. There have been times when there was higher CO2 in the air, but these periods were less hospitable to human life, so it would not be a good thing to return to those times.
Also, some plants grow better at higher CO2 levels, but not when it also raises heat above their comfort levels, or results in droughts. There is no serious scientist who believes that rising CO2 levels will be a good thing on any level.
Remember, a 1 degree C temperature rise does not just mean that it will be 1 degree hotter in the summer and 1 degree hotter in the winter than you're used to, it can mean 5-10 degree C temperature shifts in various areas, it can mean an increase in droughts and floods and all sorts of changes to the climate in any given area. It basically means that the places where people live today might become uninhabitable.
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@argentaegis If the "arbiter of truth" is not being used well, then those with knowledge on the topic will speak out on it. There would not be any single point of failure here, it would involve multiple potential sources of information each doing their own thing, toward the same goal, similar to getting a weather report. If any of them is wrong, then that would be apparent from the alternate sources.
The position being put forth would not just be a single unaccountable individual's viewpoint, it would be the consensus of the scientific community, and if it fell out of line with that consensus, then that would be well covered.
The point is not to just declare a "True" position arbitrarily and then only allow that to be said, the point is that once a consensus has been reached, to stop humoring those who refuse to accept it as though they are still a valid part of the conversation.
You can talk all day about hypothetical "bad endings," but the fact is that those same outcomes are no more likely with something like this than they already are without it.
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@theclearsounds3911 No movie should make you skeptical about an entire field of science. Star Wars didn't make me skeptical about astronomy. Whether the movie got things right or wrong is not particularly relevant to the actual science involved.
And no, there are no actual scientists who think that elevated CO2 levels are good. There are people paid by the oil industry to wear white lab coats and say that though, sure.
And again, people can die of too much water, it is "poisonous" to people in the wrong doses or methods of application. Just because something exists in nature does not prevent it being a pollutant, what determines whether something is a pollutant is how and where it is distributed. If someone were dumping too much water into an area where it was causing as much destruction as CO2 does, then it could be considered a pollutant.
"Climate change is making some places uninhabitable? Would you live on the South Pole? Then don't."
The point is that it's making large portions of the existing biosphere uninhabitable. It will make most of the American south uninhabitable. It will make most of central America uninhabitable, pushing their populations north. It will make places where as many as billions of people currently live impossible to live in, so even if you're imagining a best case scenario where the new habitable regions are just as nice as the old ones, they would still be different places, and require a billion people to migrate to these new regions within a generation, rebuilding the infrastructure and lifestyles needed to support such populations, and often crossing international borders to do so. That would be a massive disruption to human life.
And again, yes, the climate has changed a lot over billions of years, but it has changed more over the last two hundred years than it has over the past two hundred thousand years. Typically it takes thousands or even millions of years for climate to shift as significantly as it has lately. The faster a change happens, the harder it is to adapt to it. Most animal species are unable to adapt that fast, and would just go extinct, rather than more gradually shifting to a new way of life.
It's also important to remember that due to the laws of thermodynamics, it is MUCH easier to warm things than it is to cool them, so if everything got colder, that is much easier to handle than if everything got hotter. For example, if the heat and humidity is high enough, sweating does absolutely nothing, and it becomes impossible to survive without constant air conditioning. Meanwhile, people can live well below zero using only thick clothing.
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@QuantumMechanicYT You only further support my argument that some people treat discourse as a game that they can "win" with language, which is the exact opposite of a rational scientific debate.
Let me ask you a simple hypothetical. Let's say you have a scientific debate between two individuals, person A has the absolute facts on his side, the position he is taking is true, the data supports it, but he is not a good public speaker, he fumbles through his points, and does a poor job of presenting his data in a compelling manner. Person B has a factually incorrect position, the data does not support his conclusions, but he is able to present it in an engaging and selective manner so that people who listen to him might come away with the impression that he is correct. Which of these people do you believe SHOULD be viewed as the "correct" position coming out of the debate?
My point is that "both sides just say whatever they like" tends to favor the later, tends to lead to them coming out ahead in the court of public opinion, and that this is a bad thing.
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Think of it like this, say you have a very simplified "state," in which there are enough people to justify four districts, and there is one city in the middle. That one city has 60% of the total population and is strongly Democratic, while the areas outside the city are largely Republican. There are all sorts of ways you could divide that up, but in a balanced fashion you would end up with two democrats, one Republican, and one that could go either way. But if you wanted to, you could divide up the territories so that one of the districts was 100% in the city, and the other three were balanced 11% Democrat to 13% Republican, and Republicans could potentially take all three of those, or you could make it so that each of the four districts were 60/40 splits favoring Democrats and they could take all four. How you redistrict matters very much, and nationwide Republican statehouses have stolen dozens of seats that should have gone to Democrats (even after counting the few seats where Democratic gerrymandering have done the opposite).
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@pendejo6466 Well, I strongly disagree with that. With great power must come great responsibility. If you develop a large platform, then you must do no harm with it, intentional or otherwise. If you are unwilling to handle that responsibility well, then you should abandon the platform.
Again, if all he wants is to "just have fun" with his show, then he could totally do that by just not involving guests discussing controversial topics. Plenty of comedy programs just stick to fluff and cause no harm, but if you're going to address serious topics then you have a responsibility to handle them seriously. He deliberately seeks out controversy, and then goes "what, me?" when there is blowback for the things his guests say. At a certain point, ignorance is willful, and inexcusable.
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Allowing for a change of mind is not "disrespecting Democracy." In 1919, the US amended the Constitution to prohibit alcohol. In 1933, that amendment was repealed. that is not a breakdown of the democratic process, it is the process working correctly. They tried something, and changed their mind.
In 2016, the UK voted to leave the EU. If in 2019, the UK still wants to leave the EU, then a second referendum would have the same result, and no harm would be done. If the choice did change however, then "remain" would be a support of democracy, not a violation of it.
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The polio vaccine was approved and mandated in less time and with MUCH less testing. When something is "low priority," then sure, you want to take as much time as possible to do testing, but when something is a critical concern, say when it killed 600,000 Americans last year, then you want to get it out as quickly as reasonably possible. The risks to this program were in the EARLY phases. They did skip steps that put early testers at higher risk of complications. If something had been wrong with the vaccines in those early phases, more people would have been harmed by them than in a more measured clinical trial. But once those early phases were done, and it turned out that nobody was harmed by them, there was no additional risk after that point, no additional risk to the general public. As of today, this vaccine has been better tested than almost any drugs are at the time they are released to market, so there is no rational reason to continue to avoid it. Currently, it is only irrational fear and stubbornness that keep people from taking it.
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@sitnamkrad I feel you are being disingenuous now. It's pretty commonly understood that there are a lot of people out there who are "just asking questions" about settled topics with the intention of undermining the settled viewpoint, because they want it to be untrue (in spite of the fact that it is true).
The problem is that the human mind is not a perfectly logical engine that responds to logical information in a logical fashion. Human brains are imperfect meat, and react to "Good stories" much better than they do to logic. So presenting misleading arguments tend to lead to people being misled, and no amount of fact or logic can correct for that.
So the question becomes, what DO we do about that? Ignoring that reality helps no one.
"And second, if people do their jobs wrong, they get fired (or don't even get hired in the first place). You know this. It happens all the time. Even with people who do know 1 + 1 = 2. "
Why are you trying to censor them? The only have questions about your insistence that 1+1 does not equal 5.
My point is that there are people out there who are just as wrong about major scientific situations, who REFUSE to bow to "authoritative wisdom" on the subjects, and who are in positions where they can exercise power, such as in politics or major corporations. They are wrong, they are unwilling to change their minds regardless of any arguments made to them, and they are causing harm by acting upon their wrong information.
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I think that for a developing nation, their best option would be to build an "EPCOT." I don't mean an actual theme park, I mean that they should build a special "nice place to live" that is separate from whatever chaos the country as a whole might be involved in. They should basically build a tiny chunk of a much more developed country inside of their own, and the only people allowed to be there are the sorts of people who other countries would want to import, the well educated, morally upright, dignified people that you want to cultivate. These "first world enclaves" could keep the local talent in the country and attract foreign talent to help build out the national economy, and then as these enclaves succeed and produce more and more children into these well educated, more affluent families, the enclaves could expand until eventually the entire country is like that (or at least as much as in any other industrialized country).
Trying to take a third world country and advancing the entire thing to first world status at once is just too big a lift, you would need a fortune to manage it and even then would be likely to fail because it would be hard to find enough talented and trustworthy people to manage the entire thing out of nowhere. But building a single relatively small town that is up to first world standards should be doable on almost any budget, and then you can just build out from there as resources are available to do so.
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@khalilmohammadmirza4070 And again, you say "no sanctions downsides," but most countries in the world would NEVER need to worry about those "sanctions downsides," because they have zero chance of doing the types of things that might trigger them. If any foreign entity thought to themselves "well, I don't know if I want to invest in the US, because they might sanction me," then that is a country nobody should be doing business with in the first place.
And it's not like alternatives have no risks of their own. Of course they do. They are different risks, but they are still risks, and if you put "the US might sanction me" as something more likely than the risks that other investments would contain, then, again, it would probably mean that you are not a very nice person.
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@markh.876 With a court's permission, children can become emancipated from their parents, so there is a precedent for children being allowed to make their own decisions, when it is a matter of importance. If the child is not able to give consent, then it is important for the adults in their lives, parents and doctors, to make the best decisions for them, and no, "do nothing" is NOT always the best choice for that child. I don't think that parents or doctors should have to accept the casual whims of a child, but they do need to LISTEN to the child in good faith, and in good faith consider that child's perspective on the matter, and come to a conclusion that will support that child's long term health, and "interfering with their normal puberty" often IS in that child's best interests.
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@jimfarmer7811 Oh. You're running on Faux News. Subsidies for electric cars benefit that guy stocking shelves, because it means car manufacturers will be making more and more cars at different model levels, and people buying the brand new ones will be selling their old cars, meaning that the guy stocking shelves can buy used cars at a cheaper price, including EVs that will cost WAY less to fuel than a gasoline car (and also Democrats want him to receive higher wages and better treatment while stocking those shelves).
And literally nobody has had to "tear out their gas heaters," that's imaginary. You CAN replace them with a heat pump, and that is more energy efficient, so more affordable over the long run, but you never have to.
Also, don't worry about the vegans, they can't hurt you. Meat lovers are way too powerful for that, even within the Democratic party. There will always be meat on the table.
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@StephenRichmond89 Yeah, some things can be tricky. The Disney Contemporary has a monorail running through it, but it's harder than it might seem, and even then it's only like 50ft off the ground. I think it's a better idea to build relatively small archology towers, equivalent to a small town, but then you could have multiples of them within blocks of each other if you wanted. On the other hand, if you had a single massive city, then you could also invest in massive "industrial supports," like having entire 50-story towers within it that are just massive freight elevators, capable of lifting entire houses up to a higher level if you wanted, and then broad boulevards along the way that link areas of the building.
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@tommytwents8764 I never claimed that covid accounted for 50% of all worldwide excess deaths. I claimed, as the data Dr. John himself was inaccurately referencing noted, that there were 706 excess deaths reported in Europe during that specific time period, and that there were also 350 covid deaths during that period, so 50% of that total.
Again, No single death is an "excess death" specifically, that is not how "excess deaths" works as a concept, but since covid deaths would not have been predicted from the actuarial models, we can safely subtract them from the excess death totals and what we have is the remaining overage.
356 excess deaths out of 10,000 expected deaths is within any reasonable margin of error, nothing to get worked up about. Even 706 excess deaths would not be any big deal, that sort of thing would happen all the time pre-covid. "Excess deaths" is only something to worry about when they are well above expectations, such as during the summer of 2020, before we had covid vaccines, and US excess deaths were THIRTY THOUSAND deaths higher than expectations.
As for Dr. john "mis-speaking," you can tell from the comments that many people, including it seems yourself, were completely fooled by his "mistake," and believed the words he said rather than the statistics he was referencing, even though the words he said were completely wrong. That is misinformation. If you put up a graph of the truth, and then tell people a lie about that graph that leaves them with a belief that is not accurate to the truth, then that is still misinformation. The misinformation is in the final impression that the material leaves behind.
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@bicualexandru246 Everything has perceived value, even gold. Gold has no inherent value to it, I mean if you were on a desert island, which would be of more value to you, a pound of gold or a pound of canned soup? Gold only has value in what things you can buy with it, and likewise a dollar only has value in what things you can buy with it, and just as the amount you can get with a dollar will go up and down based on all sorts of complex values, the amount you can get with a pound of gold will go up and down over time.
The only difference is that the value of gold is not terribly agile, it will only rise and fall relative to production, and the relative value of other things, whereas a fiat currency they have ways to adjust the value on the fly by tweaking things like interest rates, so that they can adjust the value of the currency to the right balance between low inflation and economic productivity.
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@weirdo24-7 It's certainly a complex topic, but the basic gist of it would be the idea that "white people," however one defines that term to himself, are somehow innately superior to "non-white people" and deserve on average to be in positions of power and authority over them. A "white nationalist" is a person who (regardless of their own race), supports this viewpoint, and promotes the idea of America (or whichever country they choose to support), as being an inherently "white nation," in which white people should always be at the top of the power structures, and in which their country should also be at the other countries of the world.
Tommy was never confused, he just did not like hearing the term "white nationalist" being applied to people that he liked and supported, so he was rejecting the use of the term, however accurate it may be.
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It's not exactly true though. the immunity does not apply to all vaccines, it only applies to the specific ones that HSS offers those protections to, which tend to be critical emergency ones. It basically says "millions of people are dying right now, the best science available right now says that these are safe, so let's use these, and if it turns out there is some problem that nobody knew about, you won't get sued over it." Fair, right? It's also important to note that this immunity does NOT apply if they mislead the public in any way about the vaccine, so if, for example, they had any knowledge of a problem with it, and did not publicly disclose that, then you could still sue them over it.
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On the one hand, I think that the bar to be able to punish people for speech should be very high, allowing a wide margin of speech, because any system of deciding "good" or "bad" speech can be open to abuse. On the other hand, speech can often lead to criminal acts, so I would also believe in a system of increased scrutiny based on ones speech. Basically, if you tend ot do a lot of hate speech, that might not land you in jail, but it should land you on watch lists and maybe send active surveillance after you, because the speech is indication that you're more likely to actually do bad things. Then of course if there is evidence of an actual criminal plot, they can take appropriate measures to shut it down.
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The best solution is to build mixed use neighborhoods. You don't want to build just massive blocks of nothing but low-rent homes, because those just tend to go downhill fast, since the only people who live there are poor, there are not good opportunities, etc. Instead, you want to balance things out, so you build a large apartment building that includes extremely expensive condos, but also affordable housing for those that need it, and on the ground level you have stores and businesses. This makes sure that goods and services will be available, and that there are reasons for well-off people to care what happens in the community, so it isn't left to fend for itself.
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@Yutani_Crayven That's true, although if we're talking large scale deliveries, I don't see these drones replacing the trucks. The trucks are becoming electric faster than drone systems are being rolled out, so that's not a shift, and so long as there is no immediate rush, a truck will always be a more efficient delivery method, setting out with dozens of packages at a time, rather than just one at a time. Yes, they take road space, but drones take up air space, and if you took every package delivered in a city in a given day and had them all being delivered by drones, you would have thousands of drones swarming back and forth all day.
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@partydean17 The people who are enriched only by more and more tourists coming will be fine, because those same tourists will still find plenty of hotel rooms available, they just might have to pay a little more. There are no major cities who lack the hotel infrastructure to support their tourism industry, and where such gaps exist, it will quickly get filled by new hotels, which are a more efficient land use for that purpose. People who "prefer not to stay in a hotel" will just be out of luck, and that's fine.
Those businesses would also be able to find cheaper employees to work at their businesses, because those people would be able to live nearby, rather than having to pay for a commute.
And yes, I am picking winners and losers here, because people with capital do that too, they just do it poorly, from a community development standpoint.
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@mrlij6534 ZERO money was "coming back from China." China never paid a dime of his tariffs because that is never how tariffs work. The money Trump handed to farmers to offset what he cost them came out of YOUR pocket, not China's. If your argument is that farmers were happy that Trump gave them your money, he could have just skipped the middleman and given them your money in the first place, and it would have been cheaper all around.
Also, you misunderstand something else, tariffs are not always a bad thing, they are a tool, and when used correctly, they can do something useful. The problem is that if you throw them around recklessly, they do not help, and they have certainly never worked in the way Trump claims that they do. The problem is not that tariffs took place at all, the problem was that they were applied haphazardly.
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@argentaegis If sources legitimately disagree then none of those viewpoints would be held as misinformation. It would only be in cases where the disagreement is illegitimate, like with climate change, that it would be considered misinformation. You are describing a problem where none exists.
The issue that you are ignoring about where science and the public meet is the vital topic of public POLICY. Science often charts a course that policy must follow to achieve the best results, and yet policy is often determined by popular will. If the population is confused on a topic, if they believe the science is more questionable than it actually is, then it can lead to poor public policy decisions. This is a bad thing. We should avoid it.
As for conspiracy theories, they need no help. They will exist no matter what. But what you CAN do is reduce the SPREAD of conspiracy theories form one person to the next. If each conspiracy theory is a home grown silo, it's mostly harmless, but the more people SHARE the same theory, the more likely it will cause harm somewhere. There is zero doubt that conspiracy theories have become a much larger problem over the past twenty years of social media, rather than less.
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@christopherpardell4418 That's not true at all. The reductions in fresh water have nothing to do with evaporation, they have to do with shrinking glaciers, reduced rainfall in many regions, and reduced snowpack. The water is still going up, and it's still coming down, it's just doing so in places that aren't as convenient to existing people as they used to be. It's like how Saudi Arabia is seeing less overall rainfall, but also seeing an increase in flash floods.
I think you're also referencing that they've found that some of the particulates caused by shipping and air travel can cause cloud formation, which can lead to lower overall temperatures, but this does not involve evaporation, the available moisture is the same either way, it just is less likely to congeal to a visible point without something to collect around.
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The way I think about it is, it took a billion years or more between the point when "life was possible on Earth" and when "we know life existed," which is a REALLY long time. That's "million monkeys writing Shakespeare" time. So a lot of things happened during that billion years that left no record on history, but "life" on some level probably started up millions of times, and then quickly died. And only eventually did life form that was also in the right place and time to thrive, and develop further, and evolve into more complex things. And this probably also occurred several times over this period. And some of those evolved into bigger animals, and eventually one of those attempts at life arrived at a bunch of big animals that were quite strong, and spread all over the oceans, and whenever they encountered a lifeform with a different unique origin, they ate it, and no trace of them was left behind. And then over the last billion years, I expect that unique, base level "life" appeared dozens more times, all over the world, and then was immediately eaten by something a billion years more advanced. It would be like an ant vs. a light saber. So the idea that a bunch of scientists can throw together a petrie dish and stare at it for a few hours, days, years, centuries, and have life emerge in it is absolute nonsense, you could leave that dish alone for a billion years and life might only emerge in it one, and briefly. But the lack of being able to see that happen in real time doesn't mean that it's not possible, or even unlikely in the long run, just that it only occurs over very long periods of time.
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@mattmyers123456 It may not make much sense to you, but the fact remains that there are a tone of neo-nazis with latino heritage. They view themselves as white, and want to get to persecuting the other minorities. Personally, I don't understand why anyone would become a neo-nazi, but that doesn't mean that I don't accept that they exist.
Also, just from a historical perspective, while the Nazis certainly oppressed demographic minorities like Jews and LGBT, they were also the "party of the people,. Their roots came from a country that was in dire poverty due to war debts, most people did have it rough, and they said "we know how to fix it, we can Make Germany Great Again." Most people who actively supported the Nazis were in the lower and middle classes, all they wanted was the right to kick someone else beneath themselves.
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@Digger-Nick It is hard to say what the specific intention of "the majority" of people in the Capitol was, but plenty of them were there with the intent to delay or reverse the certification of Joe Biden, with many of them making specific violent threats against members of Congress and even Mike Pence.
If ALL someone was doing was "taking a selfie," then perhaps that is all they will be charged with doing, but that does not reflect the action overall. I'm sure that there were plenty of random idiots in that crowd who had no idea what others were up to, but that does not excuse the actions of the people who were taking their roles very seriously. You should definitely watch the NYT video showing the full timeline of the insurrection. I'm sure you won't trust their editorial because it does not match the narrative you were fed, but the video footage is the video footage, so at least take that all in and make up your own mind. If you can watch that and hold on to the narrative you've been fed by the fake news, then God help you.
Also, some people in that group did have guns, and were charged for having them. That they did not shoot anyone was lucky, but a lack of guns does not equate to a lack of insurrection.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a right-wing agitator that was illegally carrying an AR-15 at a BLM protest, shot a man in the back, killing him, and then shooting two more as they tried to apprehend him. That is exactly the sort of "violence started by right-wing agitators" that I was talking about. Had he not been there, not been armed, not fired at protesters, no violence would have occurred.
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@GregorBarclay Not necessarily. I mean, there are mic techs in show business for a reason, and even they screw up. If you want the mic to be inconspicuous, you need to feed the cable through your shirt and not snag it on anything. And even then, it might get muffled up in your clothes and make weird rubbing sounds against the fabric, which you might not even notice until re-watching the footage later, forcing you to redo the entire take.
And even then you might snag a cable somewhere and have it tug loose if you aren't careful. Keeping it in your hand gives you far more control over it, letting you move it freely as necessary, keep it right near your mouth, and away from anything that might mess up the take. If you don't care about hiding it, and just want to get the take done in the simplest manner possible with the lowest risk of failure, then keeping it in hand is far more efficient.
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@NJ-wb1cz In a democratic society, the government Is the people. The people passing regulations are doing so because they were elected by the people of that area to make policies that they would prefer. If the people in a given area do not like their regulators, they can vote them out.
Also, socialism does not mean that you don't own anything. I have no idea where you got that from.
As for noise and traffic, while it is possible to regulate that directly to some degree, preventing, say, loud music or something, any reasonably successful business will have a minimum amount of noise and disruption from customers coming and going, you cannot "regulate that out" without making the business impossible to run. Not to mention that it could attract rowdier customers that would care less about following "regulations" of their behavior. You propose solutions that might work in some ideal scenario, but not in the real world.
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No, that's been proven wrong,. If you give more money to employers, they don't spend it on employees, they spend it on shareholders. If you want employers to spend money on employees, you have to specifically require them to. On the other hand, if you give tax cuts to the employees, then they spend more, which increases demand, which causes employers to hire more to keep up with it, so everyone makes more money.
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@cryptarisprotocol1872 We've sanctioned bigger countries in the past. You make the sanctions proportionate to the harm, you wouldn't employ the same massive sanctions on India that are currently being put on Russia since their harm is lower, but it wouldn't be unheard of for various countries to just put out a tariff, or to cut direct government assistance, or just pull one of the many levels connecting the two nations.
Like I said, I doubt anyone will sanction India over this, but they obviously could if they wanted to.
And yes, the west does need India to counterbalance China, but India also needs the west to counterbalance China. they would prefer to not strain that relationship if they can help it. Sanctions are not the end of the conversation, they are just a part of the process. If someone does something horrible, like invade a neighbor, then you bring down the hammer. If they just annoy you in a meaningful way, then you just give them a little pinch (and this goes both ways, of course, plenty of countries take economic jabs at the US when we annoy them, it's just how the game is played).
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@cryptarisprotocol1872 No, RUSSIA killed 20,000 civilians. Ukraine did not. The war in donbass prior to Russia's direct invasion was a proxy war between the Ukraine forces and separatists backed by Russia. Even adding up all civilian casualties in the region that only amounted to 3400 killed, most of those by the Russia side. I have no idea where you are getting your "20,000" figure, if you are not referencing the numbers of Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia in Mariupol.
As for "what is genocide," the definition is pretty clear. "The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"
Russia announced that Ukraine did not exist as a nation, that they did not deserve to exist as a nation, and went about obliterating civilian populations without any regard for their humanity. That is genocide. This could not be compared to "collateral damage," because the civilians dying was not an unavoidable consequence of pursuing valid military targets, they were deliberately targeting purely civilian areas. They clearly intend to wipe out Ukrainians as a nation and group.
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@farvasstache6532 If it is a public school then it is also a public library. Again, you have no rights to decide what books are available to other parents' children.
Also, your "tsking" is misplaced. A parent that tries to get books banned is not "involved in their children's lives," they are just trying to get OTHER people to do that work FOR them. It's like parents that set their children in front of a TV all day, and then demand that the TV not broadcast anything that they do not approve of.
And finally, much of the material that has been targeted in red states is not "overtly sexual," it is just material that is no more "sexual" than material that has been on those shelves for decades already, and just happens to involve age appropriate discussions of LGBT relationships, such as a child having two moms. What material does contain sexual content is no different than other sex-ed resources available at the middle school and up level, which can be important for pubescent teens trying to figure out what their deal is.
Again, if you don't want your children reading such things, tell them not to. It should not be the school library's job to police that.
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@ Nope. Say you have a business that makes sandwiches. You spend a million a year on all the things it takes to run that business. You bring in a million two per year, plenty to cover those expenses with some left over. That, to me, is a success. But if that business were publicly traded, and you had those profits this year, they would want you to make more than a million two next year, even if you didn't actually need that. They would want you to add expenses in the name of increasing revenues, even if you didn't really have a need to expand. I think that businesses can and should expand over time, in most cases, but they should never have to, not when it often leads to them getting over their skiis and crashing.
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@H43339 We can afford to take in a lot more than we do, a fully settled immigrant provides more value to the US economy than they take. The only actual problem we face now is that we don't have the border judges available to process all these immigrants in a timely manner. This leaves most of them waiting around for trial dates, prevented by law from seeking work. If they could be processed into legal US residents, then they could start getting jobs and paying their own way in society.
If you truly insist on keeping them out of the country though, I'm afraid that the only solution would be to improve the countries they came from to the point where they could stay there. Nobody WANTS to trek through hundreds of miles of inhospitable terrain, a journey that many die on, but they have literally no other option at the moment. Provide them a better option, and they'll stop coming. Until then, it's like the war on drugs, you can't fight the supply, you can only fight the demand.
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@thehammer9599 Well that was my point, "debate" is entirely the wrong word. You can have discussions about science, in which two competing viewpoints are explored in good faith, but doing so in a "debate" format, particularly when one of the participants cannot be trusted to behave in good faith on the topic, is never productive. Hotez even offered to go on Rogan's show to discuss the topic with Rogan, he just had no interest in doing so in a debate format.
Hotez and RFK Jr. holding a public debate on this topic, moderated by Jor ROGAN, no less, could never accomplish anything of value. It is guaranteed that regardless of how it plays out, by the end of it Rogan/RFK/Anti-Vaxer fans will leave secure in the knowledge that their team "owned" the other side, what few rational people watch it will leave thinking that Rogan and RFK are complete idiots talking nonsense, and zero opinions will have shifted on the matter.
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@diegodlv1001 Gaza has not been under Israeli control, it has, at most, been under blockade. Gaza has been under Hamas control. Also, the IDF did not go to war with Gaza, Gaza went to war with Israel. The IDF only responded to that war. As for false equivalencies, Israle has military bases. If you want to attack Israeli soldiers, you can attack them and hit zero civilians. If any civilian dies due to a Hamas attack, that was entirely deliberate on their part. In Gaza, it is impossible to target Hamas without also hitting civilians. If 90 children die to take out a Hamas operative, that is entirely because that Hamas operative wanted their deaths.
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@seancase71 Again, "the crime worked out" is not a defense against committing a crime. Crimes work out all the time. For example, if you steal money from your company, double that money, and return the amount that you took, they company is not out any money, but it is still a crime and you can still get arrested for it.
The reason this sort of thing needs to be a crime is because you can't KNOW that it will work out in advance. Plenty of people do these sorts of crimes expecting that it will work out, everyone will make money and be happy. But many times they do not. If you only punish the people who don't pay it back, then it gives the impression that "it's ok, as long as you get away with it." The penalties need to apply to the act itself, not to how well it works out.
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@lulu111593 The survival rate of base covid was 98.3%, IF you received proper medical treatment. Those odds go down significantly if the hospitals are overwhelmed by a wave, as is currently happening in several US states, or if you get the Delta variant, which is more contagious.
And that is just considering the survival rate, there is also the damage beyond simple survival, like long term health complications from covid, or just the inconvenience of being in a hospital for weeks or months of painful recovery. Not to mention the strain that this is putting on healthcare workers, or the healthcare costs, or the fact that hospitals overloaded with covid patients then do a worse job at handling every other medical problem like cancer or heart attacks.
Also, the sooner we get everyone vaccinated, the sooner we can get past covid. If lockdowns, mask wearing, and other restrictions bother you, then vaccination is the path out of that, and whining about how you don't like those things won't make them go away any sooner.
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I had a thought for what I think could be a really good mine clearing tool, based on a children's toy. The first step is to build a giant, mostly solid concrete cylinder, with a metal pipe in the axis, similar to a steam roller. Then, build a device that will spin up this cylinder to a high RPM, and then release it, sending it rolling forward up to hundreds of feet on stored rotational momentum. My hope would be that its large weight would set off mines that it passes over, and while it would destroy trees and damage crops and such, it wouldn't cause much permanent damage. If it did set off a mine, it wouldn't likely cause that much damage to the concrete roller, and that damage could be patched relatively cheaply. All the moving parts would stay safely back on the sidelines.
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@Luvurenemy Representative republics are a form of democracy (if they were not democratic, they could not be "republics," they would be "empires"). I think when you say "democracy" you are only referring to a direct democracy, which is only one subset of democracy.
As for how the elections effect outcomes, you elect the representative most likely to pursue your goals. It is an imperfect system, as no representative is likely to cover all your positions perfectly, but it is better than any alternative form of leadership available.
I agree though that socialist/capitalist" does not include a lot of other factors though, that was sort of my point, that people often point to failed "socialist" governments, in which the failures had very little to do directly with their economic structure, while ignoring that many "successful capitalist" nations are not that much less "socialist" than the failures, they just had better governments.
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The thing is, the future absolutely requires reigning in the rich. Otherwise, there is no hope, because they will be able to live 100% of their wealthy lifestyle with only 0.1% of the non-rich population to operate their machinery, and 99.9% of humanity will be absolutely redundant to them. Nobody will need your labor for any purpose, no matter how capable or hardworking you might be, at least when it comes to a modern economy.
So "capital flight" needs to be REMOVED as an option, not just something we try to bribe the wealthy to not do. It needs to be completely illegal, everywhere in the world. We need to be wiling to fight wars against countries that provide tax havens, because it's that vital to humanity's future. Governments need to be able to say, without negotiation or compromise, "rich people, you are allowed to be rich, you are allowed to live in a life of extreme luxury, but you must also provide enough back down the chain to sustain everyone else, no exceptions." It's like the Reagan era trickle-down economics, only if it actually worked.
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@mathieusimoneau3358 And yet the hockey stick graph proved accurate, and subsequent models also followed the general trends it presented, so however much you might want to quibble about methodology, he arrived at the accurate conclusion, right?
Also, just in case you were unaware, the Roman warm period, medieval warm period, and little ice age had nothing to do with climate, as they were localized weather events. The global temperature over those periods was stable, and has been stable since ten thousand years ago. You're confusing "it's winter outside" for "the earth is cooling."
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@Inkdisc I'm saying that it's a poor point of comparison. If a country is a failed state, if everyone is in massive poverty and the government has basically given up, then of course their murder rate would spike. It should surprise no one if the US murder rate is at least better than theirs. But the US is a very wealthy, reasonably stable country. Our overall crime rate is more comparable to those among the other G7 nations, it is only our murder rate that is sharply different. We have roughly as many criminals, no more, no less, but we have far more murders because our criminals have better tools.
Give me a list of ten countries in the world that_you_ believe are "most similar" to America, in a general sense. Countries in which the society and economy of those countries is the closest to America of any other countries on the planet. I'll give you hint, Venezuela and Honduras aren't even close. We'll see if you're capable of acting in good faith, based on the list you come up with.
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@squarecracker The UK is another case of a particularly botched management of the disease. Sweden is not the worst country for Covid in the world, but they are FAR from the best, way behind many of their neighbors. The point is, NOBODY should be looking at Sweden and going "see, they did it right," because they very clearly didn't.
And mask definitely do have a significant impact, they just can't solve the problem entirely. Basically, masks, worn properly, reduce the distance that the virus can travel before settling. This is very important to reducing spread. But masks certainly aren't perfect, which is why policies of "well, just wear a mask and then go about your lives" also doesn't work. You still need to socially distance, you still need to avoid indoor spaces as much as possible, you still need to not touch around your eyes or nose without washing your hands first. Masks are like seatbelts. Yes, if you get into an accident then you still might die, but wearing a seatbelt massively reduces that fatality rate.
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I'm really tired of the argument "you guys had 100 years head start, so we get to burn coal as long as we want to catch up." Nobody got any head start. Everyone had the SAME starting line, and it was tens of thousands of years ago. If any country was less powerful than the US 100 years ago, then that's because they failed at a much earlier date to keep up. It's like if you have a sports game, and the game starts, and one team is really racking up the score, getting dozens of points ahead of their opponents, while the other team just sits there eating the grass. Then, after half time, the other team actually starts to play, and is doing pretty decently, and starts gaining points, but declares that the refs should allow them to cheat so that they can catch their score up to the other team's. No, that's not how it works. It was their fault that they didn't bother to play in the first half, nobody owes them anything in return for that.
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What I don't get is, why do people act like America taking over America is some huge deal, while that is also how every other country in world history took over their own countries too? Like France is what France is because of thousands of years of wars back and forth with neighbors, in which they conquered and were conquered. One country moves in, conquers their neighbor, and claims their land as their own, it's just how it worked for thousands of years. The way the US did it was just more peaceful than other methods, using money instead of violence, unless the conquered peoples chose violence. I mean, hell, if the indigenous Americans wanted their neighbor's lands, they wouldn't even offer them any money for it, they would just slaughter the people who lived there and claim it. National borders didn't even begin to stabilize until around WWII, when the nations of the world decided "ok, we can't keep doing this, let's just stick to the borders we've got here."
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A common meme from the "ignorance sphere" is "well what about when the sun isn't out and the wind isn't blowing? Lol."
This. This is what you do. You build giant batteries using materials that are most efficient at slow, long term storage, you store up the energy when it's in excess, and you spend it back out when it's in drought. A future power grid will be like a series of dams (including, in some cases, a series of dams), in that the "upper reservoir" will be the most stable, slowest forms of energy storage, and rarely even see use, and then bellow that in the chain you have medium speed batteries designed to kick in when the faster batteries are getting strained, and then below that the faster batteries that can activate instantly, and then of course the renewable sources that will power things directly whenever that is an option. Each flows into the next as needed.
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@graceneilitz7661 Well, in my version, I did include anyone who had been living on the island for generations already, not just pre-colonial populations, so there would be white and Asian people included. Also, this is not denying people citizenship, it is not denying anyone things that they would get on the mainland, it's only denying them access to a bonus program designed to allow parity for the native population. Basically if you have a decent job and make money, then you'll be fine either way, but this would be intended to allow the native population to have price parity with people living in, say, Alabama, even if the cost of living on the islands massively increases. How would you do it?
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@kaijohnson5033 Exactly, nothing is perfectly safe, so the CDC's position is to take the stance that leads to the MOST safety available within reasonable guidelines. If they push way too hard then it would cause more damage than it helps, but I don't think asking people to wear masks in public is some sort of "bridge too far." I mean, even small children got over that pretty quick. It's the larger children, 18-80, that we have to worry about.
Anyway, the size of an airport is irrelevant, again, it's the size of the plane that would be relevant here, and a plane is a much smaller enclosed space than a grocery store. And as I also pointed out, the mix of people from all over the country is also a factor, since covid doesn't just magically appear, it transmits from person to person.
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@kaijohnson5033 You're assuming people behave rationally at all time. People do not. I mean, if you could accurately track exactly how the virus passes from one person to the next, and you could tell someone "you know, when you took your mask off for three minutes on this day, you infected two people, who went on to infect a chain of 20,000 people, of which 2,000 were hospitalized and 10 died, and here are their names and pictures of their grieving loved ones, do you wish that maybe you'd kept the mask on?" Most people probably would think that keeping the mask on was a good idea, but the virus is way too abstract, it's impossible to tell exactly how many deaths you are personally responsible for, so people put it out of their mind.
Also, when something carries a non-zero, non-100% risk, then "if it can't be zero then it may as well be anything" is not a rational response. People CAN choose to take on SOME risk, while still taking reasonable precautions to MINIMIZE that risk as best they can. If people want to get on a plane because they believe that to be of value to them, they can do that, it does not absolve anyone of taking what reasonable steps they can to reduce risks.
If some people are narcissistic sociopaths who only care about themselves, then that is unavoidable, but this is why we make rules, to say "ok, you don't care whether other people live or die if it represents even a minor inconvenience to you, you still need to follow the rule if you want the privilege of riding an airplane."
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The conclusions on this video were a bit ridiculous. It compared the employment cost of a fast food worker to the average rent in one of the most expensive parts of the country. Yeah, maybe robot restaurants are great for San Fran, but what about in places where housing costs are much cheaper, and a fast food salary is at least a living wage?
Not to mention, this was a very boutique, quirky place making fancy, "made fresh" burgers. That is not the concern, this will not cost significant jobs. What will cost those jobs is when McDonalds is doing this, and they will but turning out $1 burgers, using ingredients that are prepared at a single factory in their distribution area, and the only humans on site at the restaurant are a manager and maybe 1-2 quality control people, instead of the half dozen or more employees it would normally take to fill the same orders.
I'm actually ok with this, I think that if a robot can do a job, then a robot should do that job, but it will lead to massive unemployment over the coming decades, and we as a society need to be prepared for that future, for rebuilding how our society functions in a world where 95% of people are unemployed, including Verge vloggers.
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@Boomslang55 No, the war started when Russian military forces attacked Ukraine. Meddling in politics is not an act of war, Russia meddles in all US elections, does that mean that the US would be justified in bombing Russia? If Russia is mad at the Us meddling in foreign affairs, then they can try to sanction US businesses or use other non-violent forms of conflict resolution, but at NO point does that EVER justify them invading their neighbors. And if you don't believe me, believe Putin, who when he declared his invasion of Ukraine, tried to justify it by claiming that Ukraine was just a part of Russia anyway, just like Hitler did when he started his conquest of Europe.
Nobody is supporting this war, but Putin isn't leaving any time soon. You seem to imply that the correct decision here would be to just leave poor Putin alone to take over Ukraine and "end the war" on those terms. That is unacceptable. If you want the war to end, then first Putin has to withdraw all forces from Ukraine, as defined by the break-up of the Soviet Union.
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@james ahn You do not understand how money works. He blew a massive hole in the deficit with his tax cuts for billionaires. Those costs will add to the debt over years, not immediately, but they are still the fault of his actions.
The debt accumulated during the Obama administration came from three sources, 1. giving millions of America better access to healthcare, so. . . good for him (it would have been further improved if McConnell hadn't prevented any modifications to the bill). 2. cleaning up the Bush recession so that it didn't become a second great depression, so. . . good for him, and cover the cost of the wars Bush had started in foreign countries. Sure, he could have ended those sooner, so that's a point against him, but overall, not bad.
Spending money is not a bad thing, so long as it is spent wisely. I give Trump credit for what stimulus he did do early in the covid outbreak, he just should have done more in the middle there to keep small businesses afloat.
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He "fixed" them by removing the Keystone pipeline and the remain-in Mexico policy. That is a fact.
I think maybe you thought these things were "good" somehow, which would be dumb. You aren't dumb, are you? Why would you want to leave others with the impression that you believe dumb things?
But let's examine it. The "remain in Mexico" policy didn't keep anyone who was going to cross illegally from doing so, it only mean that people attempting to do things LEGALLY were kept just on the other side of the Mexican border for months on end, where they were preyed upon by gangs. It is better for everyone for them to be safely on the US side of the border where their case can be considered, and if invalid, deported back to their home country. The US holding facilities may not be perfect, but they are a hell of a lot better than the other side of the border, and since Biden took office, we're no longer separating families.
As for the Keystone pipeline, it would have provided a relatively few number of temporary US jobs building it, but then no more, and Biden's infrastructure package will keep those guys plenty buy for a much longer time. It had nothing to do with "energy independence," it was about getting foreign oil from one country to other countries through the US and its ports. The US itself is exactly as energy independent with or without it.
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@jimfarmer7811 Regular trickle down economics is nonsense, because if you give rich people money, they hoard it. But have you never heard of USED CARS? They are a thing. When people have more cars than they need, they sell the old ones, usually for less than the cost of a new car. If you want to buy a new car right now, you can get new EVs that are lower priced than the average new car. If you can't afford a new car and want to buy a used one, you can also buy an EV, and the more new EVs enter the market, the better the pricing on used ones. This isn't "voodoo," it's hard economic fact.
And the guy stocking shelves won't need to pay $20K to replace the battery, because the battery it came with will continue to run for 20+ years. They reduce efficiency over time, but not so much that he couldn't get to his job on time. If he ever did have to replace it, it would still be cheaper than what he would be paying for gas in a gasoline car.
Now you are right about a lot of apartments not being set up for charging, but that too will change over time. It won't change without investment though. If we waited for "the private sector" to do highways, it would still be dirt roads between most states. The BBB bills involved a lot of investment in charging facilities, and more is needed. Once it's likely that most apartment dwellers have EVs, you can bet that most apartment parking will have charging docks too.
Also, what's your creepy obsession with Gore? You do know he's been out of office for over twenty years, right?
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@midnighttoker9268 Yes, that is why they wrote the constitution to restrict that government through rule of law. The founders did not all agree on this, but the majority of them, the ones that actually wrote the laws of the land, did agree that civilian violence was not an option, and THAT is what became the law of the land.
In that same Jefferson quote, he wrote "Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them," he meant "They will be wrong and ignorant, and try to fight, so we will put them down and set them right." He was basically daring people to try it, not condoning it. He was arguing against insurrection as a foolish act.
George Washington was president when the federal government put down the Whiskey Rebellion, so clearly he did not approve of armed violence against the state.
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@tommytwents8764 No specific death is "excess." "Excess deaths" is only an estimate, in which they predict that X amount of deaths will occur in a given period under normal conditions, and instead more deaths occur than they expected. This is always an estimate and will never be exact, because nothing is that predictable. It would be like if sports bookies expected one football team to beat another by 7 points, and they beat them by 14 points instead, these would be "excess points," but not necessarily mind blowing, and no single scoring attempt would itself be "excess," it was just the total amount.
That said, deaths due to covid would not have been accounted for in standard actuarial tables, since "once in a century pandemic" would not be something that happens regularly, so if a similar amount of people died of covid as the amount of unexpected deaths in a given year, then that would sort of explain the situation.
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The way I figure it, puberty blockers and hormones might have lasting long term consequences. But also NOT taking them will have lasting, long term consensuses. If someone wants to grow up to be a woman, and instead "the natural course of things" causes them to grow up with a man's body, that is very hard to "fix" after the fact. Assuming that they continue in their life as a woman, they would be much better off doing so from the start, than doing absolutely nothing until later in life.
There is no "neutral state" here, there is no case of "nothing happening," it's always a choice between developing a male body or a female body, regardless of which one would happen if no medical intervention took place, so there is no "burden of proof" that you would need to overcome to choose one over the other. Surgery can generally wait, because those parts are completely non-reversible and won't change over time, but the matter of puberty changes IS something with a time limit on it, and if someone is unable to get such care before puberty takes hold, there will be permanent consequences.
That being the case, the only real test to consider is the likelihood that someone will stick with their intended gender. If they are assigned male, and they want to become a woman, and they stick with that and remain a woman for the rest of their life, comfortable in that gender, then the actions they take to affirm that gender will have been justified. It would only be in cases in which they reverse course, and return to being a man (of their own choice), that the affirming care would have been a mistake. So far, such cases seem to be extremely rare, a fraction of a percent of the fraction of a percent of people who even start down that path. Given that the overwhelming majority of those who take significant steps toward transitioning stick with it, then shouldn't that be considered the optimal standard of care? No solution will ALWAYS have positive results, so if the standard is "if anyone regrets their decisions, we can't allow it," then NO medicine would take place, but if the standard is "the outcome in which most participants are satisfied with the results," then I don't think any argument can be made against gender affirming care.
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@maddiekits In certain applications, I'm sure it is, but one of their primary exports is ornamental plants, dairy, and meat. Food crops make up less than !/5th of their exports. Also, half of their exports are processed products, ie food purchased from other countries, processed in some way (such as turning milk into cheese, or taking fruits off of a boat and putting it on a train), and then sent back out. The Netherlands is also 4th in the world for food imports, which puts it ahead of Japan in that.
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@gottafly2day Health care costs were going up every year prior to the ACA, and have gone up less each year since. It would be better if there was a Medicare for all option though.
Of this current infrastructure bill, $600B goes into transportation, roads and bridges, modernizing the federal vehicle fleet, upgrading public transit systems, then $200B on affordable housing (a lot of people are concerned about the nation's homeless), $100B to repair water lines and ensure clean drinking water, $100B to modernize school facilities, $100B to get broadband access to rural communities and reduce the cost of Internet access, $400B for aid for caregivers, which is becoming a larger and larger segment as our population ages, and $300B into manufacturing infrastructure so that we will be more competitive in the higher-end product markets relative to China.
This will all be paid for by raising the taxes on companies that currently pay very little back.
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I think that in less than 100 years, we will not just lose 30% of jobs, but 99.99% of jobs. Pretty much anything a person can do, a machine will be able to do cheaper, so the only people with jobs will be those at the absolute peak of the food chain. Those people wouldn't be technically necessary either, but since they would be in control of what gets done, they would likely insist on retaining their own jobs. Capitalism has worked fine through the 20th century, but if allowed to proceed unchecked, there would become absolutely no reason for those at the top to even CARE about anyone other than themselves. They could just live on private estates someplace, supported by 100% mechanical industry, and let the rest of the world's population go to rot. So that's plan A, and I'm not a fan.
Plan B would have to involve some degree of "welfare," some sort of "income as a basic human right," rather than paying people for the amount of benefit they bring into the world. It would not be paying people for their effort, because their effort would be pointless in the machine age, it would just be paying people because to do otherwise would be inhumane. I don't believe in a resource-less economy because while it might take care of everyone's basic needs, every person is different, every person will value different things over others. People might only have a fixed amount of water that they "need" in a day, but those who prefer long showers might want the option to pay extra out of their allowance to get more water than most, at the expense of having less new clothes, or less fancy food, or whatever matters to them slightly less. I think there needs to be some way of tracking trade-offs, so that each person can adjust their life experience to best fit their tastes, without anyone taking more out of the system than anyone else (this is assuming that we still have any degree of scarcity that would require any level of moderation).
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@crazysquirrel9425 If population is not meant to be the controlling factor, then why is number of representatives determined by population?
And again, you are misapplying the term "mob rule." It does not mean the thing you are describing, much less the term "dictatorship."
What you are advocating for is a tyranny, a situation in which the minority get to dictate to the majority, which goes against everything that the founders fought for.
The city nearest to you does NOT and never will get to dictate what you can and cannot do, but the PEOPLE who live IN that city get to have fair representation in government, and if that means that what they want gets passed over what you would want, then I'm sorry, but that's just how a non-tyrannical government works. There is no fair system in which a smaller amount of people get to have an outsized share in how government functions, just by virtue of where their mailing address happens to be.
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@nibiru9035 So "the number of defensive gun uses that I imagine is something you should consider?" No, I don't think that I will. Proof or it didn't happen.
If you exclude gun iolence involving the drug trade it's still considerably higher than in any other first world country, and those countries have just as much gang and drug related crime as in the US, no more, no less, they just have less murders because they have less guns.
The only thing that is different is the guns.
And yes, "law abiding" gun owners are the problem, since that is where gang members often get their guns. Take away all the "law abiding" guns, and the criminals have a much harder time finding one. Remember, if the old myth that "criminals can always find guns" were relevant, then criminals in those other countries would continue to find and use guns at the same rate as in the US. They do not. It's impossible to get 100% of guns off the streets, but you can massively reduce the number just by making it harder to legally purchase and own them.
As to the reason the 2a was first put into place, it's no longer relevant, we have a standing US army now and no longer need a "well regulated militia" to defend it.
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@IM-tl7qv That response presupposes that murder rates etc. would not be equivalent, for some inexplicable reason. I mean, the slight variations might account for some differences, if the US murder rate were like 20% higher than other countries, you could say "yeah, that makes sense," but FOUR TIMES? What kind of idiot would someone have to be to say "well, different countries and all." And that's just between countries that are relatively similar to the US, like the UK or Australia. The Us murder rate is TWENTY times the Japanese one. We also have to consider relative change, that in counties that once had more guns available, and then at some point reduced their gun access, murder rates and gun crime went down within the same cultural conditions.
In any case, your position has been falsified by any methods currently available to us. All evidence indicates that less guns equals less murder, all evidence indicates that more guns equals more murder, there is NO evidence to support the idea that more guns makes anything better in any way. But they sure are fun toys, right? Pew pew!
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@rl192 Here is the direct quote from Biden on Mar 24, 2021:
"In addition to that, there’s about five other major things she’s handling, but I’ve asked her, the VP, today — because she’s the most qualified person to do it — to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle and the countries that help — are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border.
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"And so, this increase has been consequential, but the Vice President has agreed — among the multiple other things that I have her leading — and I appreciate it — agreed to lead our diplomatic effort and work with those nations to accept re- — the returnees, and enhance migration enforcement at their borders — at their borders."
You can read the full transcript for more, but again, he was only assigning her to meet with the leaders of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, to improve their countries in ways that would involve people staying there. And she succeeded at that.
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@zeitgeistzebra It might anger or entrench them, but they are already that hopeless, so it does not make anything worse. What it can do is prevent their viewpoints from infecting others. So this is still a net positive, more good done than harm, right?
To your second point, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand, nobody is talking about stifling actual scientific debate anywhere. It's a complete non-issue. The general public has no role to play in such discussions, because they lack the foundational understanding to meaningfully participate. It would be like having a policy at an NFL game that anyone in the stands should be allowed to play if they want. They'll only get people hurt in the process.
As to your third point, I don't think government should necessarily be the ones mandating any form of misinformation controls, beyond spotlighting deliberate foreign misinformation campaigns like the administration recently attempted to do. I think for the most part it's something that media platforms should apply for themselves. I think that if government did play any role, then it should be a non-partisan civil service position, one that would not be influenced by who is in power at any given time. There should be no political appointees involved.
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@tolowokere To your point 1, no, a parent should not automatically have more rights over their child than their school. The CHILD's welbeing ALWAYS takes priority, so if the parent is acting against the child's best interests and the school is willing and able to better support that child, then the school should be allowed to do so. Again,. it is ALWAYS about the child's welbeing.
The bill does not "make allowances" in any sense, it is deliberately designed to put teachers at as much threat as possible.
2. While I agree that parents can protest certain curriculum, that should be a rational discussion with the teachers, principles, and school board, in which the parent does not necessarily get their way, particularly if they are overruled by other parents in the class. The powers granted by that bill go WAY too far in allowing individual parents to dictate the rules everyone else must follow.
To point 3, it would be nice if that were the case, but the way the current law was written, there are NO such assumptions that could be made. "Tommy has two daddies" would allow a parent to sue the teacher who said it.
4. The example you gave would be one. Just disucussions that sometimes men marry each other, love each other in the same way that men and women might love each other. NOBODY is promoting discussions of the mechanics of sex prior to sex ed classes. There could also be discussions about transgender people, where it comes up.
5. You don't have to describe your threesomes to your children, but neither should you be implying to them that LGBT behavior would be morally wrong, while engaging in it yourself.
Your examples are overblown, and often just books that were included in high school libraries, certainly not books recommended to or even available to elementary students. I don't doubt that sometimes mistakes are made, and that books that appear innocuous might contain some explicit content, but of all the books recommended for banning, very few of them actually end up getting removed by a reasonable process.
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@ananse77 You say I throw out "ridiculous strawmen," but then you say "Many people are trying to teach about sex and sexuality in schools." What would that be other than a strawman? Nobody is try to teach about sex in schools, at least to younger age groups than traditionally get sex ed classes.
As I said to that other person, occasionally a book that is more explicit than it should be ends up in a library, more typically at the high school level than the elementary school one, and if we kept it to ONLY such books then I don't think there would be too much pushback, but those who seek to ban books often include FAR less clear cases than that, in many cases citing a book with NO explicit content whatsoever, only because it has an LGBT or minority author.
That obviously has nothing to do with discussions around the concept of LGBT people though, any more than that you can't talk to younger children about what a "man" or "woman" is because you don't want to talk about "how sex works." The two topics are unrelated. You don't teach how sex works between two LGBT people, but you do have age appropriate discussions around the existence of people who love members of the same sex, or who have a gender that is distinct from their biological sex. That is part of "tolerating and respecting ALL people, " and your own comments violate the lessons you say they should be taught.
"I listed several parental rights, none of which were a "right to harm". I even pointed out that schools have an important DUTY to report cases of abuse and neglect."
Then we have no point of conflict on that topic. The Florida law would interfere in that process, by preventing teachers from getting involved in cases where parents were causing harm to their LGBT children. That is something many view as being a problem.
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@tolowokere A child is not a pet, a child is not property, birthing a child does not give parents rights to do whatever they want to that child. Birthing a child is a responsibility, not a gift. The parent is responsible for raising that kid to be as healthy and happy as possible, they are not allowed to create whatever sort of fiasco they want.
Children are incapable of fully thinking for themselves in a mature way, and nobody is talking about giving final decision-making rights to children, adults do need to have ultimate decision-making responsibility until they reach maturity, but that adult does not necessarily need to be a parent, IF their parents have shown a failure to parent responsibly. For example if parents have a religious exception to modern medicine, and their child would die without getting treatment, then that parent's wishes should be overruled by other adults in the room to ensure that the child is protected.
To your point 5, NOBODY wants to discuss sexual behavior with children. I do not understand why people keep bringing that up in this thread as though it is something ANYONE is advocating for. Can you explain that one to me?
To your point 6, again, having not read the specific works in question, I can take at face value that those specific examples should not be in a school library, at least not below the high school level, and perhaps not even then. I don't believe they were added with any malice though, they were probably just not fully read by the staff and added because they were popular with students or something. Mistakes happen. My point was that such examples are extremely RARE though, exceptions to the rule, and represent a tiny minority of the books being targeted by conservative activists over the past few years. The overwhelming majority of the books being targeted contain no such explicit content. The efforts are opposing the general trend of book banning, not necessarily defending every single book.
Also, I hate to tell you, but if a kid has reached the 7th grade without encountering F-bombs then they are going to be shocked to find out that indoor plumbing exists. 7th grade is also typically after sex education classes which would have already discussed such topics.
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@Zoetherat "What I’m saying is that you do not speak for minority groups, and you do not have the right to claim that your opinions equate to being “for” that minority group, "
I am speaking for those that need help. I certainly don't speak for all trans people, but I do speak in favor of policies that would improve the lives of all trans people, and that would harm no one, so why not just do that? Certainly anyone who opposes those policies would oppose that entire group, even if portions of that group were complicit in that opposition.
"It's a framework that assumes the progressive position on any issue must automatically be right."
Not exactly, it just turns out that the progressive position tends to be right, because the conservative position tends to be "nuh uh!" to any data that they do not like. The Progressive position does not come out of nowhere, it is the one based on following where the scientific evidence leads on a subject. The conservative position is almost never right, once events have fully played out. How ya'll doing on Jim Crowe?
So TL;DR, correlation does not equal causation. Progressive viewpoints are not right because they are progressive viewpoints, they are progressive viewpoints because they are right.
"You can find plenty of interviews with people who detransitioned on youtube for whom it obviously caused harm. "
And for each of those you can find a hundred videos of people who transitioned and benefited greatly from it. Conservatives like to point to detransitioning as if it "debunks" gender affirming care, but it is extremely uncommon, the overwhelming majority of people who transition never look back, so which would be the better outcome, preventing as many transitions as possible, to try to reduce the risks of an occasional detransition, or support people as best we can, to maximize the amount of people who have happily transitioned?
Besides which, if we are talking about children, NOBODY supports fully transitioning at a very young age. It's a process, and the more permanent factors of it are not medically recommended until the person is at or very near adulthood. If they spend a few years experimenting with their identity and decide that they don't want to transition, no harm, no foul, they can just go back to how they were.
"Affirming" a child does not mean rushing them off to a surgical theater.
"However, making an argument from authority selectively (using American institutions that agree with you while ignoring European ones that don’t), is not the same as “following the stance of the medical science on the topic”. "
Would you concede that even the "European approach" that you cite is FAR to the left of the "what American conservatives want" approach?" I don't personally have a problem with either the American or European approach, so long as each has their own rational basis, but I do believe it's important to support the child, rather than taking the stance I've often heard from conservatives that they should be bullied into giving up on the whole idea, at least until they are fully adults and/or can run away from home.
"In any case, if there’s one thing this discussion hopefully did, it’s demonstrate that believing you shouldn’t give children free rein to self diagnose themselves into sex changes doesn’t mean you hate gays. Then again, you seem like a very dogmatic person, so maybe it didn’t change your mind on anything."
You didn't tell me anything I hadn't heard going into this discussion. I don't automatically agree with every single position that comes from the left on these topics, but I certainly believe they are far closer to the ideal path than anyone coming at it from the right. Nobody can see into the future, but the left path is the one most likely to lead to the best outcome for the greatest number, so it's the one I support. This tends to be the case on most topics.
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Yeah, this is the thing, everyone considers their own gender differently, most people are perfectly happy with their assigned gender, and some of those take it VERY seriously, while others don't particularly care either way, and are just chill about it. Likewise, some people are very uncomfortable with their gender and take it very seriously, while others aren't entirely comfortable, but also are basically fine with it. And some people are in the middle and don't really care either way, while others are in the middle and care very much when people nudge them in either direction. I think that "how much you care about it" is a completely different factor to "what gender feels comfortable," and that there are a lot of people out there who are not exactly "100% on board with their assigned gender," but at the same time aren't that bothered by it either way.
When "being trans" comes with the baggage of massive body alterations and massive social stigmas, only those who really care about such things take any significant steps to do anything about it, but when society is more accommodating to trans people, then more "I don't know, maybe" types are sliding into that position.
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@drawingdead9025 State governments were blasted by the covid crisis. They built their budgets based on reasonable predictions of their expected tax income over a normal year, just as if a regular person bought a house and car based on their current income level.
The covid crisis massively reduced their tax revenues, since businesses and taxpayers were making a lot less money, while at the same time their costs increased massively, in that they had to increase subsidies to public services, they had to pay for emergency relief, increased unemployment costs, etc.
Of course states need money (and red states more than blue, if you care about such things).
So of course it makes sense for the federal government, which can much more easily appropriate funds, to help keep these stats stable through the crisis, so that they don't have to lay off millions of employees and cut vital services like police and fire.
Why shouldn't they?
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@privateuser7 I did already, you can find more answers upthread, but basically it goes into things like enhancing unemployment payouts, keeping schools open and safe, vaccine programs, keeping state governments functioning (so that they in turn can keep policing, firefighting, pothole repairs, etc.), food programs for needy families, etc. You can find breakdowns of what the bill provides online if you don't want to read it yourself or listen to Senate Pages read it for you.
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@TheSuperappelflap We don't need to reach zero emissions. The Earth does sequester carbon at certain rates, so while we need to have a net negative carbon footprint at a global level, that would still allow a fairly significant amount of carbon output, it would just be offset by carbon sinks elsewhere in the system. But again, a lot of the carbon produced in manufacturing and transporting cars and batteries can be reduced over time. For example, green cargo ships would greatly reduce the carbon costs of transportation.
Public transport is good for areas where that can be done effectively and efficiently, but that is not true in many areas. There are tens of millions of Americans who cannot reasonably be serviced by public transport, because they are too spread out and it is not worth building public transit in their areas.
It's worth noting that while you claim "batteries are bad," most green energy relies on batteries too. Even if you have a 100% electrified public transit network, that would almost certainly require massive batteries to maintain the power to it, as most of the green forms of energy are transient. So, you're completely wrong on all counts. please educate yourself before commenting again.
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@ru8e42 Basically because it was spending that was important and needed to happen, even if the money to pay for it was not available at the time. It's like if your car breaks down, and you need that car to be able to get to your job, and without that job you would lose your house. You don't have the money to fix the car, but you can take out a loan at very reasonable rates to fix it, get back to work, and pay off that loan. It is economically better for you to take that loan and fix that car than it is to stubbornly "live within your means," lose the car, lose the job, lose the house, and have to rebuild everything from scratch.
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@muhammaDEsmustafa In a pure economic theory, you're totally right. But the important thing to keep in mind is that this is not pure economics, this is also politics, and governments are not people or companies, they are governments. Governments have a lot more flexibility and power to throw around.
With a ponzi scheme, the trick is to not let anyone know that it's a ponzi scheme, because once they know, then they will never invest in it. With a government, they understand that there is some "ponzi" aspect to it, but accept that, because they have faith that the government will continue to pay off its debts.
The other factor to keep in mind is that buying government debt is not permanent, it's finite. If you get a 20 year bond, you aren't gambling on "will they ever completely pay off the national debt?" That is entirely irrelevant to you as an investor. You are only gambling on "will they pay back this bond in twenty years?" And pretty much everyone agrees that within the next twenty years, the US will be good for it and pay off that bond, no problem. So long as that happens, the investor will have nothing to worry about.
So basically, you are right in an abstract sense, but completely wrong in implying that this is relevant to the real world situation.
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When the colonialists left Africa, they all retained some contact, as sort of an "estranged uncle" to the country or something, that still has heavy ties in the region, even though they have that troublesome history. What they should have done is a sort of "responsibility swap," and when all the European countries pulled out, they should have swapped that responsibility with other countries, so that like these French colonies would be supported by the UK instead, while former UK colonies would be supported by France instead. That way, the country would get the benefit of a friend in Europe, and the European country would get the benefit of a friend in Africa, without any direct conflict over past mistakes.
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"Short selling creates liquidity in the market, what if you want to buy, but nobody wants to sell? A shortseller will sell to you."
Um, no, that's not how it should work. If nobody wants to buy, then you should offer more money, which raises the price, until someone is willing to sell to you. If nobody wants to sell to you, at ANY price, then that's fine too, nobody owes you the ability to buy into a stock. Besides, who wants to buy stock from someone who is gambling that you'll lose all your money and they'll be able to buy back that stock for less than you just gave them?
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@venture.brothers China can't do it, but they can steal IP form companies that can. And again, the manufacturing is not a knowhow issue, it is an infrastructure issue, you have to actually build these multi-billion dollar plants, and TSMC has, we have not. It's not that other countries can't do it, it's that they chose to not do it, because outsourcing that expensive process to TSMC made much more financial sense than building their own plants.
That's the thing about free markets, they flow towards maximized efficiency, but often they get caught up in "best case scenarios," that if everything works as intended, here is the benefit we'd get, but if there are any disruptions to that plan, then it can pile up into massive problems, as we saw a few years back.
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@jeremiasrobinson Yeah, he might try, I just don't know what he could actually achieve. I think the funniest potential scenario would be, a judge orders that Rudy pay up, Rudy refuses, the judge holds him in contempt, which I think would be a criminal matter, and then Trump pardons the contempt. But then the judge could do it again, because every second he continues to not pay is a fresh crime, so then Trump would have to pardon him again, so then there would be this constant back and forth where the judge is holding him in contempt every day and Trump has to personally sign a pardon for it, until he gets bored and lets Rudy rot.
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You point out how each house in a suburb is "bland" because they are very similar, but isn't the same true of apartments? If you have a large apartment building, holding dozens of families, isn't each of their homes no different than the one next door? What difference does it make, other than each suburban home coming with a yard and a lot more space to live in? And sure, you can build fancy craft-built homes instead of prefab ones, but those will cost more, and not everyone can afford that. The whole point here was to provide a house that more families could afford.
As for "corner stores," putting a "corner store" in an average suburb would be a bad idea, because they could not get enough foot traffic to sustain their business. Not enough people would live nearby to it at once. That is why car-centric shopping makes more sense in suburbs, although many modern communities are built with a large "commercial hub" within a reasonable walking/biking distance of the homes, for people who choose to visit them that way. A development that started around 2000 or so in our area has a grocery store and dozens of other businesses in a roughly central location to many of the new homes, but you can't build out too many different stores spread too thinly, or none could get enough business to be sustainable.
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@wothin >They are not socialist.
Of course they are. And you haven't even made a case why modern Europe would be going after socialist countries in the first place.
>People will always judge. Russia also claimed that in annexed Crimea based on humanitarian concerns. The point of pretext is so that one has plausible deniability.
Pretext does not add or remove plausible deniability. If the pretext is a valid one, like an actual humanitarian crisis, and the result is that you leave the country better than you found it, then that's fine. If the prexted is some imaginary humanitarian crisis that nobody actually believes existed in the first place, and the result is that you've annexed the country for your own purposes and its conveniently placed sea port, nobody cares that you attempted a pretext. The pretext is irrelevant if it is not valid. It's like throwing a sheet over an elephant and asking people to guess "what could be under there?!"
>And yet you protect the USA in their irrational paranoia in case the Cuban missile crisis. Hypocrite is being hypocritical.
Different situation, different outcome. There was no paranoia to the US response to the Cuban missile crisis. It was just a different scenario.
>Yes Russia is destabilizing things. So what now? The goal should be that in the long term Europe is stable and peaceful.
And that's a fair goal, but it can't come at the cost of Russia gaining ground via aggression. Every act of aggression they take must be met with a higher cost, otherwise they will just keep taking two steps forward, one step back "just to stabilize things," and they're still one step ahead of where they were. They still haven't given Crimea back. They still have not pulled out of Eastern Ukraine, and now they are threatening more violence. They need to give back what they have taken if they expect the west to give them any concessions. They haven't even offered to do so.
>To give you an extreme analogy, that's like escalating up to a nuclear war and then being happy that it was the "other's" fault, while millions of people died from nuclear war and many are dying because of nuclear fallout. It's like you don't care about the damage from the escalation, you only care about your pride and the false sense of being right.
So to continue your analogy, how far is too far, to prevent Putin from unilaterally starting a nuclear apocalypse? Say he takes Ukraine. "No big deal, better to be stable?" And then maybe Lithuania? Not that big a deal, right? Latvia, Estonia? Finland maybe? Sweden, better pick up Norway just to complete the set. Poland, Romania, Hungary, let's leave the Balkans alone for now, but Turkey might be nice. Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, at what point is "stability" not worth saying "maybe don't do that?"
We all want to avoid a war, but Putin is the one starting wars. We all want to avoid a nuclear apocalypse, but you can be damned sure that the west won't fire that first nuke. Just because Russia has nuclear weapons and might be crazy enough to use them, that's no reason to give in to their demands. If anything it's a good reason NOT to, because anyone that you fear might use nukes to get their way, is someone you can't trust with any more authority than you have to.
>Yes, but can you realistically throw Vladimir in jail without suffering massive damage yourself? No, you can't. It's all cute that you act on principles, but the real world does not work like that.
Ok, you've established where you stand. I can barely see you down there.
>We talked about the Baltics. You apparently find it totally justified for them to be afraid of Russia invading them back then when they joined NATO.
I never claimed that they were justified in being afraid of Russia invading them when they joined NATO. What would that have to do with anything? NATO used to be about the USSR, but since the fall of the Soviet Union it has nothing to do with Russia, aside from Russia wanting it to be about them for some reason. The Baltics joined NATO because it's generally a good club to be in, not because they had any fear of Russia specifically.
>Yet you conveniently don't care that the West invaded Russia around the same time ago, with much bigger casualties.
Yes, because, again, that was before most of our lifetimes and completely irrelevant to modern geopolitics.
>Again, whether you personally think something is justified has no relevance.
But my position more closely aligns with that of the rest of the world on the matter, and what the world personally thinks about things matters very much. Again, a bully can get away with a lot by throwing his violence around, but he will always be viewed as a bully, and treated as a bully, and that is not how you make friends. If Russia was less of a bully, maybe all their neighbors wouldn't prefer being friends with Europe.
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No, the solution can't be to just keep doing what he's doing and expecting his audience to be better at critical analysis than they are. There are only two good solutions to this: 1. stick ONLY to guests and topics that do not matter. If all he has on is "fun" guests, celebrities and such that are talking about their own lives and goofing around, without opining about serious topics of the day, then sure, have fun with it, no harm done. OR 2. Bring on a co-host or counter-guest. Bring on someone who can be trusted to know things, bring on an intellectual, and Joe can do his thing, but also there would be another voice in the room, not weeks later, but right that minute, to say "hey, wait a minute, that just isn't true at all," and bring everyone back around to an even keel. They can explain to Joe why he definitely shouldn't be taking certain viewpoints as credible. So this could either be a single really clever and capable person, or it could be a specific guest to each guest he brings on, like if he brings on a pandemic-denier or something, he can also bring on a medical expert to point out every time he gets something wrong.
either would work, but "business as usual" causes actual harm to society.
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The vaccination was never intended to or advertised as making you 100% immune from getting sick. Most vaccines do not do that. The goal of the vaccine, and what it has been successful at doing, is greatly reducing the impacts of the disease. It makes you much less likely to die, much less likely to end up in the hospital, much less likely to catch it, and much less likely to pass it to others if you do catch it. "Breakthrough" infestions are on the rise because a lot of people who had been behaving carefully, wearing masks, not eating out, social distancing, etc., got vaccinated and just started "living normally," which brought them into direct contact with infected people far more often than they had been. They get sick, and either have no symptoms, or have a mild flu, but if they have a mild flu now, then without being vaccinated they would have ended up in the hospital. If it's so bad that they do end up in the hospital, then before the vaccine they would have died. Getting vaccinated helps significantly, and that's all it's ever claimed to do, which makes it worth getting.
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Would it be possible to just trade Donbas for Ukraine in total? What I mean is, institute a formal treaty that says, on the one side, Russia gets Donbas, in full, no squirley language, Donbas is just a part of Russia now. But in return for that, the rest of Ukraine becomes fully part of Europe, if not a full EU member, then at least a part of NATO, and/or other guarantees of support and protection that should keep any pro-Russian future off the table entirely. Could Russia agree to that? Could the Ukrainian people accept it?
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@@TaejongYi India has three times as many people as the US, but only 1/8th the GDP. The GDP is more important in terms of military spending, not population. The EU's combined GDP is less than the US's, even if their population is higher. They DO have a significant army, but you don't just want enough of an army to BARELY beat Russia, like Ukraine has, you want to have an army big enough that Russia doesn't even want to start anything. Claiming that you won't help NATO if they are attacked only emboldens their enemies.
As for "military aid," you do understand that this is as much in the US's benefit as it is Ukraine's, right? We give them our oldest functional equipment, stuff that would have gone bad in a few years if not used anyway. Yes, it's "millions of dollars in hardware," but it's stuff that would have gone to waste otherwise. And then we buy up brand new stock for ourselves to replace it. And all of this is manufactured by US companies, who employ US taxpayers, so the money just goes back into the economy. It's win/win/win for the US.
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@saxor96 Again, though, "triggering dopamine" is what games do. Plenty of games, many made before microtransactions, many of them after without any significant microtransactions, use the exact same mechanics to engage players. You can't make these "patterns" illegal without wiping out most of the games on the market.
Again, gacha players with legitimate addiction issues are a drop in the bucket. It's not rational to throw out the entire industry just to babyproof games for these few individuals. If they can't handle these sorts of games, then the burden is on them not to play them. If they can't stop themselves from playing these games, then even if these games did not exist, they would be incapable of stopping themselves from playing other forms of gambling that are also available.
Also, as regard to skipping, you've got it all wrong. At least in the games worth caring about. They are NOT making the game boring or tedious, because if they did that then people would stop playing it. They need to make the game fun to play on its default setting. But it takes investment to play at that setting, it requires that you play every day, or play many hours a week, to build the resources to level your account. This should not be "boring," because, again, then players would burn out, but it is an investment that not everyone has the time or interest to make. In which case, money can be a substitute, and broadly this works out for all involved. The spenders can advance their accounts with far less time investment, and the F2Ps get access to a much more significant game than could exist without some motivation for people to spend on it. It's a balancing act, to be sure, and not every game gets this balance right, but those that do are some of the best in the industry.
In terms of outcomes, this is little different than comparing two different families making a family trip, one of whom spends little to drive cross country, while the other spends considerably more to fly. They reach the same destination and have the same fun there, and the former family might actually have a lot of additional fun in making the trip, but the latter family can get there faster and with less hassle.
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@eduardopena5893 Well the points of entry are the only parts of the border that are not currently closed. All other parts of the border are closed and always have been. Anyone attempting to cross those borders is caught and processed. If you don't mean closing those open ports of entry, then what could "close the border" mean, outside of some sort of magical glass dome?
And no, drugs are not smuggled across the desert regions, they are smuggled through those legal ports of entry. If anyone tries to smuggle drugs through the desert areas, they will get apprehended by border patrol. The only people crossing through those areas are people attempting to immigrate to this country.
The cartels do have a lot of interaction with those folks, but only to take advantage of how poorly designed the US immigration process has been. If people could just cross at legal ports of entry and get processed that way, the cartels would have no roll to play, but the need for them to sneak outside of the ports of entry and to "wait in Mexico" for extended periods of time give cartels plenty of opportunity to prey on them.
You are flat wrong about most terrorist attacks coming from outsiders. Check with the FBI on that one.
And no, Democrats do not want unfettered entry and instant citizenship, that is just what Faux News tells you to think so that they can control you through fear of the other. It's a sad manipulation tactic. All Democrats want is humane treatment of migrants, that they are not rounded up and put in cages. Democrats tend to support a path to citizenship for undocumented children, but it would take longer than the traditional nationalization process, far from "instant."
We have a "legal process," but for decades now that process has lagged further and further behind demand from both migrants AND American businesses, so the amount of legal immigration slots needed is far higher than the amount allowed. It is Republicans that have long resisted any effort to fix this, because, again, they prefer you to be afraid of the evil border. If we want to fix the border, we would need to massively increase the amount of legal immigration slots available, by this point probably by thousands of times just to make up for the backlog.
And no, this is not Biden's fault and Trump's policies were not actually solutions. That is just what Faux News tells you to believe. The same number of people would be trying to cross now regardless of who the US president was or what his policies are, all that matters is how we treat them when they show up.
Also, people who cross illegally ARE deported, but we have due process in this country, which means they get their day in court, and Republican efforts to defund border judges have led to massive backlogs, slowing down this process.
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Wow, you really start shilling for Republicans at the end there, how could anyone view Texas or Florida as positive role models in 2022? The nicer parts of Baltimore are actually quite nice and safe, you can go to the night spots and stuff with no worries. It's just the bad parts that are a mess, but you pointed out the problem, fixing it costs money, and you need money to spend money, so there really is no solution there outside of some sort of massive external investment of cash, directed carefully. Baltimore is just one of those cities that once had a useful purpose to it, but that useful purpose dried up, and now there is no practical reason to be there, so there is nothing for the remaining people to do. This has happened to towns all over the country, it's just that Baltimore is an especially big one, so it experiences the problems of hundreds of small towns at once.
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@nicholasferrante1296 How many work form 7-7? Too damned many. There are millions of people who have to work two or more jobs, and work more than 12 hours a day. And that doesn't even factor in other responsibilities they might have, such as getting a child to and from school or day care, preparing meals for the family, or if they work at night, being able to sleep during the day. It doesn't harm anything to have polling places open 24 hours to give these people maximum opportunity to vote. I can understand why you wouldn't mandate 24 hour voting accessibility, maybe your community doesn't need that, but why would anyone make it ILLEGAL to offer that service if your local area feels it would be beneficial? Who does that help?
You don't "prove that nobody is being suppressed" by making the case that "the obstacles can still be overcome, maybe." That's not good enough. If there are obstacles being placed, that is suppression, even If those obstacles can be overcome. Some obstacles are necessary, but nobody has been able to make a case that these are, so ALL they can achieve is to REDUCE people's access to vote, and that is suppression, and that is unAmerican.
And again, there is no such law in the Texas State constitution. The Texas constitution says that the legislature can send police to round up and detain members of the legislature to form a quorum, but it is not illegal for the legislators to avoid this, it is not a crime that they can ever be charged with. They cannot be charged of anything, they cannot be convicted of anything, they can only be captured, transported, and detained, separate from the legal process.
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@rayxtwo How have people been proving their identity since 1788, when photography wouldn't be invented for almost 100 years? How do you prove your identity when you go to the DMV to get a driver's license in the first place? Typically, people prove identity using documents like phone or electrical bills, maybe a birth certificate or Social Security card if you have one, a paycheck, bank statement, most forms of legal documents can work. If you can fake your identity at the polling place, then why couldn't you just fake your identity to get a driver's license?
In either case, making such a misrepresentation is fraud, and you would get in serious trouble for doing so, as many Trump voters found out when they attempted to vote illegally and were caught.
I have no obligation to make any sort of deal with you, because you are not Constitutionally protected to receive my money. We ARE Constitutionally protected to vote though, so our right to do so should not be abridged.
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@rayxtwo Exactly, in-person fake voting is a non-issue, it requires too much hassle, you're going to get caught anyway, and even if it does work, you only get a couple extra votes out of it, so voter ID measures are "solving" a problem that doesn't actually exist.
Mail-in ballots are also not a problem, because fraudulent ballots are caught and tossed out. We've had mail-in ballots since the Civil War, and they've never caused a problem in any election.
There was never a time in American history where "everyone knew who you were." There have always been some communities like that, including today, but even in the 1780s there were plenty of communities of hundreds of thousands, so polling places would be dealing with thousands of people they'd never met before. It worked out fine.
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@nicholasferrante1296 If it is an inconvenience significant enough to turn people away from the polls, then obviously it is suppression. Some inconveniences are necessary, but NONE of the inconveniences in the Texas bill are. What is the necessity in banning 24 hour voting? Who does that help? What problems does that prevent? Why do that, if NOT to make it harder for people to vote?
"We now have drop boxes, no excuse absentee ballots and early voting, none of which existed where I first became eligible to vote."
and not for long if Republicans have any say in the matter. This is the point. We should be making it easier to vote, we should be aiming to get EVERY eligible voter to the polls. The 2020 election had the highest voter turnout in a long time, and we should be celebrating that. Instead, Republicans seem to be taking that as a sign to panic, and roll back all the gains we've made over the years, because they recognize that the majority of voters no longer support their ideas, and that they can only vote if they limit the amount of people who can get to the polls.
Remember that what to you might be "a little inconvenience," might be to others "something that makes it impossible." And that is by design. If you limit voting hours, for example, then that might just be "a little inconvenience" in an area with plenty of polling places, where you can just stand in line for a few minutes and cast your vote, but in other places, coincidentally places with higher Democratic turnout, they have fewer polling places per citizen, so the lines last for hours, and in that case you might not be able to fit those hours into your busy schedule, so voting ceases to be an option. Again, WHY?
Why is that a thing, if NOT to cause fewer to people vote?
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@nicholasferrante1296 Anything I claimed to be fact was fact, although a thing does not need to be fact to matter. It's VERY simple, something is suppressing the vote if the vote ends up lower as a result. Easy.
If 1000 people voted under a certain policy, and you change that policy, and only 800 people vote under the new policy (give or take for expected changes in voting patterns), then that policy is suppressive. You don't have to accept that for it to be true. Even the SCOTUS decision agreed with that, they just said they didn't care.
The point is that it is unAmerican to push for policies that serve no purpose other than to reduce voting. I've asked several times and you have produced no justification for the banning of 24 hour voting, no case in which it would actually improve anything, you've just repeated that you don't care, because it does not matter to you that some people won't be able to fit voting into their schedule (they would probably vote for the wrong people anyway, right?)
So I believe in America. We can agree to disagree about that and you can continue to support Republican suppression efforts.
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@Gwyrddu Under normal conditions, it would be complicated, and they will not let them join while actively at war, but given the extreme risk they are now under, if them joining it part of a peace deal, NATO might agree. And Turkey will allow Finland and Sweden to join, they just need to get their beak wet first.
While I think Ukraine could hurt Putin badly, and drive them off for a bit, lead to a "peace deal," if the only thing holding it together is Putin's promise to not invade again, then it will never last. The minute they get the Russian forces back across the border they will start plans for "Invade Ukraine 2," and start building up their forces in preparation for that. Another invasion could come within a year, or at most maybe five. They need some stronger international framework that would keep Putin away for good.
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It's all "in-group/out-group" dynamics. Everyone wants to believe that "their team" is the best, and deserves to beat all other teams, and if "their team" is measurably behind other teams, then they seek to tear those teams down, while if the other teams are catching up to their team, it scares the hell out of them, because they know what their team'd been doing to those other teams, and expects the same treatment back when they're no longer on top.
Of course, any single person is a complex Venn diagram of "teams," from skin color, gender, sex, language, nationality, multiple heritages, etc., and each person chooses for himself which of those traits define their "primary team," or how many of those "teams" they root for.
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I don't believe in purely demand-side decriminalization. That was what Prohibition was in the US, and it didn't work, because drug dealers will always meet demand, and that leads to crime, and it is the drug-related crime that is the real problem, not the use. I believe the best course is total decriminalization, along with government provided drugs for those that need them. Government sanctioned facilities would sell drugs at cost, but only to those with a prescription from a highly regulated specialist doctor (not just anyone with an MD), and the sales of those drugs would go to fund drug treatment and awareness programs to try and reduce the drug use.
Remove almost all motivation for anyone to sell drugs illegally by making them legally available at affordable prices. Of course selling drugs outside of these controlled circumstances would be VERY illegal, much more harshly punished than even current laws, so it's a very carrot and stick approach. The point would be that anyone who has a drug problem could do whatever they need to do about that in a relatively safe and legal way, with low chances of overdoses or other adverse reactions, while also making it easier to quit, and harder to get into drugs in the first place.
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@themightycat7238 Well, the idea would be balance. If you have a drug problem, if you are dependent on them, then you should be able to get a prescription, and then get drugs legally. So if that applies to you, why not do that?
But if you don't have a drug problem, then it should be fairly hard to find drugs, and VERY illegal for both you and the dealers, so the risks involved should make that not as worth doing.
The idea is to sort of break the "middle" of the supply/demand cycle, to make it so that the "repeat customer" is zero value to drug dealers, which would effectively price them out of the game. I mean if they wanted to play, they could, but their costs would be astronomical, and their returns would be relatively low, so why would they even bother?
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@ronald3836 I think that it's fair to define "spaces" within a market, for certain purposes. I don't think "the market" needs to be the absolute broadest possible range, because then basically nothing could be a monopoly unless it controlled ALL commerce. In this case, they are defining a certain price range within the market, as defined by whatever justifications consumers have for agreeing to pay that price. This is actually a more objective criteria than "quality," since "quality" is more subjective than "established retail price."
I do think that if one single company already controls a certain band within a larger field, then that should be a higher bar to clear, relative to if there are currently several companies in that space, and you're acting to prevent them congealing into one.
Now is "affordable luxury handbags" the most vital issue affecting America today? Of course not, but I do think it's a reasonable test case for this sort of principle, and why not?
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@CaptainMisery86 There is no reliable data to support your conclusions. Those are pure wishful thinking from the gun lobby. If guns made people safer, then America would be, by far, the safest country on Earth, rather than the worst of the first world countries by a factor if around 600%, which is what we actually are.
It's also worth noting that the rural/urban crime breakdown you discuss is NO different in the US than in countries without gun ownership, it has nothing to do with gun ownership, it just has to do with the density of populations. More people close together, more criminals and victims interact. There is still plenty of crime in rural areas too, btw, when adjusted for population size.
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@Mike-sp7zv All sorts of things. Biases against medical science, bias against "experts," bias against various groups, the basic point is that Rogan gets people on that express fringe, factually inaccurate viewpoints. If an audience member is listening and those viewpoints don't resonate with them, then they will ignore it, but if those viewpoints do fit what they already want to believe, like, say, "I don't need to wear a mask, actually," then they will wholeheartedly double down on that inaccurate belief. This is why it is important to not allow such things to rest unchallenged, when someone says something that is factually incorrect, it needs to be corrected.
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Well, your skepticism is warranted, and is Weymo ready to immediately roll out in every city? Hell no. But could they be, if permission was given? I think so. I think that they are at the stage where they've proved that the concept works, and while they need some more testing in harsher environments to be generally available in those areas, they should at least get permission to start doing that, and a lot of the other issues you raised were related to the "testing" phase of the project and the current scale of the operations, but would largely sort themselves out once the project was at full production scale.
As for public transit, you make the same "death by statistics" arguments you criticized. By saying that you "couldn't find sponsored videos in favor of public transit," obviously there would be none of those, since nobody really stands to profit from public transit systems, so who would be sponsoring it? That doesn't mean those videos don't exist, however, there are dozens of Youtubers on an eternal crusade in favor of public transit. The unfortunate reality is that too much of America's infrastructure is built around single occupancy vehicles, and while efforts can be made to expand public transit options, it's unrealistic to present a future of convenient public transit across the US any time soon. Replacing existing vehicles with autonomous ones is a FAR more feasible prospect.
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@JenniferA886 No power management system is bulletproof. A few years back, Texas lost power because their natural gas pipelines froze. There will always be edge cases in which a power system will fail, so pointing to that possibility and going "eh! see, it fails!" is not a rational argument. A well designed green energy system is MORE reliable than one based in fossil fuels, and like a fossil fuel system, every region has its own strengths and weaknesses (for example a place with a lot of coal might use more coal than natural gas, while a place with a lot of gas might use that over coal).
Not all forms of green power generation are ideal for any random location, but there are typically some methods that will work great locally to any given area, the secret is to build them. Beyond that, it comes down to long term storage mechanisms that can store up days worth of local power needs, and then return it to the grid on demand, as well as strong long-range power lines, so that green energy from one coast can be sent to power buildings on the other when needed.
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@seancase71 It's an example. In this case, the customer lied to the bank. The bank does have their own due diligence to check into that lie and act accordingly, but that is a process between them and their other customers, it is not some sort of protection to the person lying to them that it's ok so long as they fall for it.
If a customer lies to a bank, and they go along with it, then the best case for the bank is that it is decided that it was reasonable for them to fall for that lie, and so they get off, but in a worse case, they could be deemed negligent, and be sued by investors or have regulators get involved over that. Regardless of how that turns out for the bank, the customer who lied to them is still 100% on the hook for his own actions.
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I think one of the core elements of Mary Sues that you leave out is that they should be foreign to the established narrative. I think that if you write an original story, like Dragon Ball, then you're free to make the lead as "Mary Sue" as you like without criticism. If you add on to Dragon Ball, like Dragon Ball GT, let's say, and add a new character who's better and cooler than everyone from the original series, then you might face a Mary Sue complaint for it. This is why a character like Rey is much more of a lightning rod for "Sueism" than a character like Luke, because Luke was an original protagonist, whereas Rey showed up, attracted the attention and love of all the old cast, showed off powers and capabilities that the old cast were not as adept with, etc. If the Force Awakens had been the first Star Wars anyone had ever seen, I doubt there would have been any "Mary Sue" claims about Rey, but as a sequel work, the examples are pretty blatant.
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If I was going to colonize an asteroid like that, I would use a "worm coring" method. I would build a toroid spinning habitat on one end of it, providing an artificial gravity environment. Then I would use standard mining equipment to dig a massive tunnel straight through the center to the other side. This tunnel would be capped at both ends and linked to the existing station, but at first would be a zero-G environment. Then I would head to the middle of this tunnel, and slowly start to expand outwards, taking a cylindrical chunk out of the middle, big enough around to make another cylindrical habitat that could be spun up to comfortable gravity.
Once that's going, colonists would have two places to get in some gravity exercise, but still the tunnel would be zero-G. Then you just expand outward from the center, clearing more space and adding more spinning habitat until you have plenty of space for the people to spend most of their time in the gravity areas. Once you have most of the asteroid hollowed to this level, assuming there is more room to expand towards the surface, you do so, slowing down the spinning components and moving new housing into outer rings as necessary, until eventually the whole thing is mostly hollow. Since the spinning components would all be engineered for durability rather than natural, it shouldn't break up. The benefit to this over just building a giant O'Neill cylinder from scratch is that 1. you would be able to constantly mine the asteroid through the development process, making it a revenue-producer from day one rather than a complete money pit until mostly completed, and 2. the rocky shell should provide a strong defense against radiation and impacts, like coating an O'Neill cylinder with massive amounts of armor.
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Interesting point about mistakes, but I do think it just tends to boil down to "everything is because some writer said so." Writers don't set up situations where the die roll is a critical fail so they just scrap the whole idea. If a character makes a mistake, it's not happenstance, it's because the writer made him make a mistake, and writers just don't seem to do that very often. They don't set up situations only to then defuse that situation by an error, unless that error brings greater meaning to the plot. It's like Chekhov's gun, you don't show the gun unless you intend to use it, you don't have the character make a mistake unless there's some larger point to the mistake. Characters do make mistakes fairly often though, if there's a reason.
Stragely, Naruto actually does a solid job of countering a few of your points in this one (not that it invalidates them in general, just that it defies them). Tsunade is the 4th Hokage, and while it could be argued that Naruto sometimes sidelines her as the hero does, she is in charge, and while she exhibits masculine traits like massive physical strength, when it comes down to it her most effective role on the battlefield is as a healer. Likewise, Naruto often makes mistakes, like when he had a big showstopper new attack that he was using for the first time in combat, but on the first attempt it sputtered out completely, forcing everyone to regroup and try again. If not for that, the fight would have been practically over at that point.
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To responsible gun owners, think of it this way, how do you "properly secure" a handgun so that your kid can't accidentally kill himself with it? Remove the ammo, keep it locked in a secure safe, perhaps with a trigger lock, in an inconvenient location? Ok, fair enough. But what if you need that gun? What if there's a home invader? How long would it take you to make that gun ready to fire, and would you have that time?
Now imagine you did have a "smart" gun, one that could only be fired by you? How could you "properly secure" such a weapon? In a basic holster on the side of your nightstand or couch, fully loaded and ready to fire at a moment's notice. Why is that not seen as an advantage to owning one? It wouldn't even have to be your only gun, you could keep other guns locked away, but having this smart gun loaded and ready would be a significant tactical advantage when you need it most.
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@gsfouroone5045 Citing links is tricky on Youtube, because most links are auto-blocked. You also provided no sources for your claims, so it would be hypocritical to criticize others for not doing so. There is no source to your claim that Obama withheld documents from NARA, and NARA is on record that this is not something that happened.
And yes, Trump could label documents as being personal, that does NOT mean he gets to keep them. He STILL has to turn them over to NARA, and if he wants access to them, he needs to request them back. Nothing about that gives him the right to just keep the documents in his possession.
Btw, the case you cited did not involve presidential records, they involved tapes owned by a third party about the president at the time, which is not subject to the Presidential Records Act. In this case, for example, the Trump recordings by Bob Woodward are not subject to the Presidential Records Act, because they belong to Woodward. This would not in any way be a relevant defense for the charges Trump is under.
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@mattm402 Well, a few reasons. 1. there was no need for it. It was assumed by most that Roe would remain in place. It was only Republicans fighting to change that. 2. Democrats have rarely had a filibuster proof majority, and even when they did, it was razor thin, and at least a few of those Democrats are anti-choice. While you could look at raw numbers and pretend that they "had the numbers," in reality, they never did. If, on the other hand, the congress accurately reflected the will of the American people, there would be more Democrats, and they would have had the votes for it.
But again, until this week, it was not necessary.
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@paulbarclay4114 If you're talking about covid-19, the evidence is that it was not created through genetic engineering or gain of function, and there is definitely no indication that it was released deliberately. Even if it did leak from the lab somehow (which is still the less likely scenario), it would have been an accidental release, since in that scenario a number of researchers got sick. If they'd intended to release it they could have done so in a way that wouldn't have harmed themselves, right? That's just common sense.
Now, if you're talking their previous research, they had done some experimentation on SARs strains that had nothing to do with the covid-19 strain, and did enhance their transmissability, but they also neutered their actual harm, so even if those strains had escaped into the public, nothing would have happened. It's important to do that sort of research because it allows them to get ahead of the natural evolution of the viruses and plan out countermeasures.
And I would never accuse you of being high-intelligence or difficult to manipulate, since all you've done so far is parrot idiotic conspiracy theories spread by the Faux News as a distraction from the actual pandemic we're all living in.
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@paulbarclay4114 Any "researcher" you can find to back your position is just copy-pasting the same conspiracy theory nonsense and is completely discredited. But people choose to believe them anyway because they prefer the lie that agrees with their own worldview to a truth that is scary and inconvenient.
You are just another obvious troll. You are either too dumb to realize you are being told what to think, thinking it and then telling other people to think it because its what you think you think, or you are even worse, a disinformation agent.
Either way you have not said one thing that cannot be easily refuted, and it's not even worth responding to.
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@Tim Ogul You are just copy pasting the garbage conventional narrative
for every "researcher" you are referencing I can show you PHDs from around the world who will totally refute your garbage narrative.
You are just another obvious troll. You are either too dumb to realize you are being told what to think, thinking it and then telling other people to think it because its what you think you think, or you are even worse, a disinformation agent.
Either way you have not said one thing that cannot be easily refuted, and it's not even worth responding to.
You aren't worth the effort. As soon as you spout conspiracy theories, you automatically disqualify yourself from any discourse.
But let's try it anyway. So you say that I should find Steven Quay impressive because he founded a therapeutics company. One that seems to be delivering snake-oil "treatments" to covid and breast cancer, without any reputable results. I'm sure he would have nothing to gain by becoming a "hero" to the types of people who chase snake-oil treatments rather than "main stream" drugs that actually work. Worked out for the My Pillow guy. It certainly had nothing to do with how his article came out right as his companies stocks were tumbling because their flagship drug failed its clinical trials.
And Richard Muller isn't even a medical researcher, he's a Physicist.
Quay may have a PHD in biology, and may know a lot more than I do, but I'm not putting my own expertise against his, nor should you. I'm putting the expertise of thousands of OTHER experts in the field, each with equal or higher credentials,m who DISAGREE with his conclusions. You can pick an idea out of a hat, and I'm sure you could find at least one person out there with a diploma who would support that position, that does not make it right. That is not science. The science involves actual research in the fields, and a consensus viewpoint that a significant amount of the scientific community agrees is true. Keith Grehan and Natalie Kingston wrote an article debunking his general claims on the subject.
If this WERE true, then the scientific community would WIDELY hold this position, and not just the fringe crackpots that run snake-oil companies.
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I have an idea of what to do with Africa. All the reasonably stable countries should all sign up to a pact. The nature of it would be that cultures within the pact can negotiate to divvy up the land differently than it is, to better reflect cultural groups, but the important part is that these final deals must be openly agreed to by both parties, similar to a divorce. 2-3 countries might horse-trade between themselves to get borders that better work for each population group, alongside other concessions. But the most important part of the pact is that once a deal is made, it is binding, and whole it can be re-negotiated politically, there would be stiff consequences for breaking any part of the deal or any aggression, and ALL signatories to the deal would be responsible for enforcing it, so if one country decided they wanted a bit more land and invaded another, wham, every country in Africa comes down on their heads.
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@jenniferburton1711 The current generation of EV trucks claim a 500 mile range, and they are likely to improve on that over time. As for ranges longer than that? It's possible that there would be no EV solution there, and that diesel would still be necessary for the long haul scenarios, but even just cutting them out of the short and medium distance routes would be a MASSIVE improvement, right? And the long haul scenarios are not hopeless, companies can continue to figure out better methods for making long haul EVs work, either by improving the range on a single battery, making the charging/replacement of a battery as quick and convenient as filling a gas tank, or even just changing out the trucks at intervals like a pony express. In the long term, I expect prices to go down, not up, because once they work out the logistics of it, the underlying costs will be way lower.
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@snoopsnet8150 Nope. Anything government does badly, it's only because the private sector would do it worse. The government's worst failings are when it failed to prevent the private sector from doing something bad.Government isn't perfect, it's just better than all the other options.
Big box stores did well during covid not because of big government, it's because they had been allowed to build a near-monopoly level of economic power. Remove government restrictions entirely from the equation, and they still would have done just as well relative to the smaller businesses, because people wanted to limit their exposure, and big box and online retailers were best able to provide that option. The government restrictions did not significantly impact that balance, all they did do was limit the 2020 deaths to 600,000 rather than 1,200,000.
Mom and pops were already on their way out, and would have been annihilated decades ago if not for government regulation placing some limits on businesses ability to monopolize. In other countries, with more socialist governments, they have had far more success at limiting the big box stores and allowing family businesses to thrive. Why is that? The top 0.1% didn't get wealthier because of any action on government's part, all government did was funnel some wealth BACK to the 99.9%. The top 0.01% got wealthier because that is all that they do.
Government is not perfect, and it can be improved, but out ONLY hope is in continuing to improve government, not in stripping it down for parts. You're being fed massive lies by elite narcissists who only care about money and power and you're regurgitating them like a naive puppet.
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@dp9629 I feel like you are trying to make a semantic argument, like you want me to list a state, and then you will so "no, actually, you can get an abortion there," even if the rules in place makes it impossible for women to actually get an abortion there, either by making it impossible for clinics to operate or by only making abortion theoretically possible before a women could even realize she was pregnant.
There are currently 8 states in which the laws have made abortion unavailable to women in that state within any reasonably margins, another 9 in which similar bans have been blocked temporarily by the courts or are planned to go into effect soon, and another 7 in which there is a time-based ban that would prevent many women from seeking an abortion after they realize they are pregnant.
The short list of full bans with no exceptions are Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
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It's not really that big a problem. Apparently minorly classified documents end up in the wrong place all the time. These were not nuclear secrets or anything. There was only a big deal made in the case of the Trump documents because 1. There were a LOT of them, way more than could reasonably be explained as an accident, 2. they were reportedly much higher security information, like defense documents, and 3. he had been repeatedly asked for them, and on multiple occasions refused to hand them over, and/or signed an affidavit that he had turned all of them over, and yet still had them. THAT was the actual crime involved in that particular case.
If Trump had only had a few documents, and they were mostly harmless, and he'd turned them over immediately when requested, then that would have been the end of the story.
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@kh8655 I can understand why you're confused. Let me try to break it down even simpler. If the goal of the insurrectionists was to take over for themselves. say, to install the Q Anon Shaman as President of the United States by invading the Capitol, then that never would have worked. Eventually the military would have arrested or killed all of them and nothing of any significance would have happened.
But given that a number of members of congress and the sitting President at the time were complicit in their behavior, there were several paths by which they could have claimed "hey, things are weird right now, let's just throw out the votes of the people, maybe let the House decide who gets ot be President, maybe declare martial law, maybe let states send alternate electors, etc." and that might have been enough of a fig-leaf of legitimacy that it would survive legal challenges, especially given Trump's stacked court.
So yes, we did come frighteningly close to an actual constitutional crisis, but it was a LEGAL crisis, not an "armed insurrection" one.
Could - you - understand - that - or - do - I - need - to - type - slower?
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@kh8655 Oooooookaaaaaaaay, VERY slow, "explain it like I'm three" mode, because "explain it like I'm five" mode was apparently too "intellectual" for you. Again, two potential scenarios:
A. Armed insurrectionists try to take over the government in a completely physical and arbitrary manner? No. Impossible, irrelevant to anything. They could try, they would fail, every time. Their guns would accomplish nothing.
B. A criminal President decides to use chaos as a precedent to take semi-legal steps to bypass the standard rule of law? Scarily plausible, but again, has NOTHING to do with the 2nd amendment, because guns could not help with that.
The funny thing is, if the insurrectionists on Jan 6th had been armed, they would have been much less successful. The only way they got as far as they did is because the Capitol police had decision paralysis. They didn't want to shoot "unarmed protesters," so the only officer that fired a shot did so at the last second as they were breaching into the still-occupied House floor.
If the Insurrectionists had come visibly armed, if it was more apparent to everyone at the time that they came to do violence, then the Capitol police would have been much less hesitant to fire back, and the DC PD would have rushed in sooner, the National Guard would have rushed in sooner, and while a lot more people on both sides likely would have died, it certainly would not have gone in the insurrectionist's favor.
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@boost1728 Yes, but not nearly as bad off as Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, North and South Dakota, Ohio, West Virginia, Georgia, etc.
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@SenseiSifuMaster Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. America will never be "perfect," it will always be a work in progress, and that's a good thing. If we take the attitude "we just can't do X until after America is perfect," than that's basically just saying "never do X," and we should at least be honest about that and not pretend we're saying otherwise, right?
Again, we can welcome these people into our country, help them to be productive members of our economy, AND work to resolve all these other issues, they help each other to sort things out, they are not in competition.
Also, I should just point out, from an economic standpoint, that "money leaving the country" is not a bad thing, especially not for Americans. That helps keep the economy in balance and inflation down, while also ensuring that the US dollar is an essential global currency, which has all sorts of benefits to America's overall propriety. Even when immigrants send a portion of their paycheck overseas, they still have to spend enough to live off of, and pay their taxes, so the American economy benefits too. Immigrants add much more economic value than they take.
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@degen83 No, Democrats do care about people and do pass policies that help people more than Republicans, but the nature of politics mean that they can't just magically get everything they want, and often have to compromise with Republicans in ways that lead to less effective results. Also, just because a place is a "blue state" does not mean that Republicans don't hold a lot of local power in certain areas. It's always better to vote for a Democrat than a Republican, but you certainly should try to pick the best available Democrat during the primaries.
As for why "Democrat areas" have "more homelessness," part of that is bad faith reporting, since plenty of homeless people live in red areas. Florida has the 2nd highest amount, Texas the 3rd, Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina are all in the top 15 states for homelessness, and I don't think anyone's accused North Carolina of being "controlled by Democrats," since the Republicans there have supermajorities in just about every body at this point, even if they had to steal elections to do it.
Some of it has to do with the weather being better in places like the west coast, so people who are going to be living outside prefer those areas, some of it has to do with the problems in housing availability that I explained earlier (again, not something state government can fix), part of it is because homelessness tends to occur around large cities (since that's where most of the people live) and all large cities happen to be Democratic.
If there is any "good" reason why there could be less homelessness in Republican areas, it's because Republicans sometimes drive them off at the point of a stick, but I don't think anyone could take pride in that level of inhumanity, and surely you would prefer to have homeless people clogging your sidewalk than to know that government "cleared" them in your name, right?
I suppose I shouldn't assume.
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@degen83 It is factually incorrect to claim that in areas where Democrats have significant majorities that they can "do what they want," because there are often other elements at play that tie their hands. I suggest you watch that Wendover video about California, it lays out the various structural issues that make it difficult to get anything done there on certain topics.
And again, no Democratic policies encourage homelessness, that is a perfect example of you making a bad faith argument. You didn't point out any "result of Democratic policies," you just pointed to a homelessness problem, and declared that they were "the result of Democratic policies," without drawing ANY actual connection between the two.
As for the drug problem, you do know that the drugs come through ports of entry, right? The only way to stop that would be to shut down the border to all traffic, would would obliterate the US economy. The previous president certainly never attempted it, because it would be too stupid, even for him.
Seattle is rainy, but also temperate. Rain you can use an umbrella and a tent, it's much better than living in someplace that sees massive snowfalls.
And yes, there was a time when Republicans and Democrats could work together. It was not the Democrats that changed, it was all the Republicans. They became more and more insane, from the Teaparty to the MAGA crowd, and they abandoned all common sense and built their party around racism and other forms of bigotry, and seizing power any place they couldn't win elections. Hopefully, they will eventually turn back into a credible party, but they are nowhere near it now, and anyone incapable of recognizing that lacks ANY credibility themselves. You would have to be living in an alternate reality echo chamber to blame any of that on Democrats.
Look, it's kind of sad, but you just seem to be giving me a laundry list of Faux News talking points, like you have a teleprompter in your head or something. It's pretty pathetic. Break free of Big Brother, and learn to think for yourself. Find the truth behind all these wacky stories they tell you, it will blow your mind.
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@degen83 Again,m you keep saying "laws that incentivize homelessness" but you haven't actually pointed out what such a law might be. I'm beginning to think that you mean "laws that do not drive homeless people to other states" or something. What laws give incentives for being homeless?
And sanctuary cites are a good thing, they help the homeless people who are in the country to better integrate with their communities, rather than having to live underground. The faster they can be part of the American economy and social fabric, the better for everyone, right? What could be wrong with that?
And again, MOST major issues cannot be changed by the state level governments in California, they are handled at the local level. Republicans could make things worse, sure, but Democrats have done about as much as they have the legal authority to do, even if that is not enough. You really should watch that video, then you'd know why you sound so silly to others and why they can't take your seriously.
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@garyrentschler6082 Exactly, Dem controlled Houses never do this. They ONLY pursue LEGITIMATE fields of inquiry. This is the problem, when the Faux News paints Democratic inquiries as being illegitimate purely because they are attacking "their guys," their audience is dumb enough to buy it, and then they think that ALL congressional inquiries are equally illegitimate. That's not how it works. One side pursuing matters from a legitimate, fact based position does not somehow legitimize the other side to just engage in political circuses "to be fair about it." The law is the law, if a Republican breaks a law, the House, whether led by Democrats OR Republicans, should act to investigate the matter. If a Democrat does not break any laws, nobody is justified in treating them like a criminal.
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@lescobrandon8443 Have you tried looking at the thread in a private window? Sometimes when a post is removed, you can still see your own post there, but nobody else can see it. To the rest of us, I see one post from you that says "Just don't vote for those outside your area," then the next post that's visible says "So, you couldn't counter me?"
I should also point out that almost no posts are removed manually, so "neutral tone" really isn't a factor, the mod bots don't care about "tone." It would typically get removed for having certain keywords in it. It's hard ot predict and hits posts from the left, right, or anywhere in between.
In general though, nobody has to respond to you, and a failure to respond is not conceding the discussion. This is all entirely voluntary. There's no value in trying to "rush a response," it only makes you seem weaker and more insecure in the value of your position. People who know they are right don't require validation from others.
As to the rest of this most recent post, it's an extremely naive view of politics. Like it or not, party has much more value than individual merit. Most major functions of government are determined by majorities. The current House speaker only exists because Republicans hold a five seat majority in the house. If Democrats held those seats, we would have an actual Speaker right now.
It is typically a better outcome to elect a ham sandwich that will caucus with the party you support, over anyone on the opposing side, It would ONLY be safe to vote for a Republican if they swore to caucus with the Democrats, and could be trusted to honor their word. It would be nice if that weren't true, it would be nice if the GOP was more than a punchline at this point, but that is not the world we live in, and to pretend otherwise is to live in Narnia. If and when the GOP recover from the MAGA, that might change. So until then, choose the best possible Democratic candidate in the primaries, sure, but when the general election comes along, the Republican candidate will not be a valid option.
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@ttt5205 I'm not responsible for whether artists get demoralized or not. That's up to them. Artists don't have to accept AI art, but the world doesn't care whether they accept it or not, it's going to happen with or without their acceptance, so it would be healthier for them to accept that and move on. I don't "defend" AI art, it does not need my defense, I only point out the fact of its inevitability, and the wastefulness of pretending otherwise.
Regulation would do nothing, because it would be impossible to get those regulations passed everywhere, and the places where you can use AI would swiftly outpace those where it was not allowed. Even if you somehow banned the use of AI artwork, you would still get people using AI to generate art, and then manually reproducing that are in a method that couldn't be distinguished from original art, while still requiring no human talent or inspiration. It's basically no more useful than the people who smashed industrial looms in the 1800s. Change is coming whether you agree to it or not.
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@WTF_BBQ It's more what economists are saying. Economics Explained just did a pretty good video on it. I mean, it's impossible to predict the future, and things might change, but the TL;DR is that the global inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions caused by covid, which made supply low relative to demand, so people jacked up prices, and now the supply has basically sorted itself out, but of course if people are willing to pay more for something, why not charge them more for it, that's just capitalism, so businesses kept their prices higher than they needed to be and just racked up record profits. But since the underlying issues are gone and the Fed have been raising interest rates, they are unlikely to continue to rise.
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@thatamerican3187 You do understand the point of the original gas tax, right? It's because roads cost money to maintain, so the government needs to bring in revenue to offset those costs, and it's most fair to tax the people who drive the most for the wear they put on the roads, right? Well a gas tax worked great for that fifty years ago, because the more gas you used, the more driving you did, but now we're shifting toward electric cars, so the amount of revenue the gas tax brings in is less and less and will eventually be zero, so they need to figure out a new way to pay for highway upkeep. This should not be controversial. Remember that at the end of the day you should end up paying no more than you currently pay, it would just be collected on a different basis.
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@thatamerican3187 "No new taxes" is a stupid argument. There's nothing inherently wrong with taxes. Taxes are just a way to pay for things, and if those things are worth doing, then they should be paid for. Taxes need to be fair to those that are paying them, and the Democrats' proposals are fair. If you want to use the US highway system, then you SHOULD be willing to pay for its upkeep. A per-mile tax is a way to do that.
We SHOULD be moving toward electric cars, there is no rational argument otherwise (aside from increased public transit), so the various related systems SHOULD take electric vehicles into account. There is no reasonable argument otherwise. Drive on roads, pay for their upkeep, period. If you don't want to pay a per-mile tax, then don't drive.
And gas prices have nothing to do with who is in the White House, and ever have.
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@logiwogi8938 Their legal opinion was that it was fine to do this. Then Kavenaugh, in agreeing with that opinion, said "but if it wasn't ending in a few weeks than I would have voted against it." So clearly he is making the point that he doesn't think it should be extended, but legally his supporting opinion does not actually carry any legal weight, the decision of the court, the part that carries any weight, is that it can continue.
Now realistically, someone will sue over this or something and it will go back to the Supreme Court and then they will likely have a 5-4 decision against the extension, and then it will get shut down, but until then it is better for America that people are given time to collect their owed rent relief payments and pay off their rents, rather than get evicted and be homeless.
And who knows, Kavenaugh might even be ok with this, since his assumption at the time that he made his ruling was that enough people would get their relief payments to no longer make the moratorium necessary, but it has turned out that the payments are taking longer than expected, so an extension might be in line with even his opinion on the matter.
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@conorkoesterman6769 I doubt they will charge an added tax on electricity, at least not one balanced to make up for the current gas tax. I think it's just an oversimplification, "oh, they tax gas now, and electricity is like the gas on an EV, so they will charge the electricity." There are better ways. The whole point is to have people pay a fair amount for the amount of wear they cause to the road surfaces, and since almost all gasoline pumped to consumers is used for that, taxing the gas is a fairly efficient thing to do. But tons of electricity is used for non-car things, and charging everyone higher electricity prices makes no sense. I think that if they did tax electricity," it would be more directly at commercial fast chargers, and maybe a separate meter on home EV charging docks that would record how much juice went directly into the EV, rather than into the house. You could presumably cheat this, as you can cheat most things, but it would probably be a hassle, and a small enough tax to not bother.
The alternative is to not tax the power at all, but to instead tax things like mileage. I mean, on a modern gas car they check the mileage every few years at an emissions test, just do the same thing with EVs, you report your mileage annually, and they charge you based on that.
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@sitnamkrad No, meaningful science does not take place everywhere. No Youtube comment section has solved or even contributed to any scientific topic.
Now people on Youtube educating the public does provide a valuable service, but ONLY if their information is ACCURATE. One person spreading misinformation can cause more harm than ten people spreading facts could offset. This is why it's important to cut misinformation.
"They will not be allowed to say to the public "hey, your government is planning X, Y and Z, if you don't like this, you may want to reconsider how you vote". "
NOBODY is suggesting that this should happen. Nobody. The ONLY case in which such a post might be censored is if the government was NOT "planning X, Y, or Z," and in which case, we would want that to be corrected.
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@sitnamkrad Also, NOBODY is in favor of preventing anyone from saying that "your government is planning X, Y and Z, if you don't like this, you may want to reconsider how you vote," UNLESS it is not true that the government is planning X, Y, or Z, in which case, there would be no practical benefit to anyone saying that, because at best it would be misleading.
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@sitnamkrad As to your second point, nuclear power is not NECESSARY to get off of fossil fuels, although it would certainly be beneficial. The science on that is in complete agreement, there are no dissenting scientific viewpoints on the matter. There are, of course, ideological viewpoints that consider the known costs of nuclear to not be justified by the benefits, and that is an opinion, there is no disagreement on the science though.
Likewise with "what to give up," that is a matter of opinion too, not science. The science is in agreement, "if you do X, then Y will result." It is up to human opinion which Xs they are willing to do in order to achieve the result they want, but that has nothing to do with science. It would only be misinformation if they claimed that X would not produce Y because they would rather not do X. They are free to not want to do X, so long as they are honest about Y.
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@Abe Tsenoh " Support for universal healthcare has above 80% approval, a majority even among republicans."
Right, but a large chunk of those people are Republicans, and wouldn't vote for a Democrat who was promising to actually get Universal Healthcare done, and so they'll never have it. Until you can convince them to vote for a Democrat, their tacit approval of universal healthcare is completely toothless. Also, Biden lost Florida because Cuban Americans though he was "too socialist," even though he wasn't actually all that socialist. America has a definite anti-socialism bias that runs strong until the Cold War generation dies off. Until then, just vote for Democrats to keep moving that needle forward as fast it reasonably can in a divided country.
"Candidates like Andrew Yang or Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard or Mike Gravel, can't garner widespread support despite their popular policy positions because of the DNC/RNC, "
Nah, they just aren't that popular. They all got to the debates, they all had plenty of time to make their case to the American people, the American people did not want them. If any of them had actually gotten the nomination, they would have cost to Trump by about 55/40.
Now, it's fair to argue that the two-party system isn't great, but it's not really the fault of either of those parties, it's the fault of the electoral system itself. First past the post systems make two parties almost inevitable. It won't be until after we have some sort of ranked choice voting system that a third party candidate would be even remotely viable, and even then there would still likely be two parties that win most of the time.
"Even if a candidate with solid policies does build a massive grassroots campaign like Sanders did, they'll just toss the vote via black box voting machines like they did in the 2020 primaries, "
Lol, ok, now you've lost all your credibility by going into SCP territory.
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@bird4816 Everyone agrees that skin color should not be a factor, but anyone looking at the situation honestly would be able to say that skin color often has been a factor in where people end up, and it would not be "racist" to try and correct for that injustice. I mean, if you have eight red balls and eight blue balls, and you want to narrow that down to eight balls in total, ideally four of each, and the first sorter removes three of the red balls and only one of the blue, leaving twelve left, then what should the next person do?
The first person clearly discriminated in his selection, but if the second sorter was more "fair" and only pulled out two of each color, then the unfair actions of the first sorter would be locked in, leaving the unfair result of three red and five blue. If, on the other hand, the second person sought to correct for that imbalance, then his own actions would also be discriminatory, but it would result in the more fair outcome of four and four.
Wouldn't that be preferable? Assuming that you want fairness, at least?
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@jcpenny3606 But guns make things MUCH easier to carry out. I mean, you can run from a knife. Bombs are complicated, and a lot of wannabe bombers just end up blowing themselves up. I mean, in the countries where they don't have as many guns, it's not like they have way more bombings to make up for it, they just have less dead people, period.
Again, it's not like other countries have 1/4 the gun murders but 4x as many "other murders" than the US, they have exactly the same "other murders" as the US, just far less of the gun murders, so that the TOTAL amount killed is 1/4 as many.
And I mean, just as an example of the difference it makes, on the same day that the Sandy Hook shooter killed 27 people, a guy in China went on a knifing rampage in a crowded area, and he injured 27 people. Injured, there were ZERO deaths.
You can't prevent 100% of crimes or even murders, but you can massively reduce them, and isn't that worth doing?
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@Inkdisc I'm ONLY using the gun homicide statistics. I am not including the suicide statistics, but you are right that guns do increase the effective suicide rate as well.
But again, to be clear, when I am making comparisons here, I am ONLY talking about one person killing a different person. It is in this statistic that the US falls so far behind our peers.
" trinidad, mexico, the philippines, the bahamas, and panama. all considered 1st world countries like the us and all far above it in gun violence. a"
Ok, so that is five countries, not ten, I assume you could not find ten that would fit a pattern you wanted to support, but no, I would strongly disagree that any of these countries would be within the top 30 countries that are "similar to the US." Mexico would likely be the closest of that bunch, but even it is a massive stretch, given their massive geographic and political challenges.
I mean, Trinidad? Bahama's? You're comparing the US to tiny little islands with GPDs less than 1/10th the US? You don't believe that there are fairly significant differences between them and the US that might factor into their crime rate?
I can see that you have conceded my point, but are too cowardly to say as much. That's fine. That's why gun owners need their guns, after all.
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@Blewburry People breaking into homes with the intention of hurting people are extremely rare. Even home invasions in general are extremely rare, but in the cases where they do occur, they mostly just want "stuff," they don't want to increase the heat on themselves by adding assault or murder charges, so if you just leave, they will not harm you. Your stuff is insured, and not worth more than the lives of your family.
I get that the cowboy fantasy is strung, the idea that when your family is in danger you can get out your Red Ryder BB gun and take out Bart and his gang, but the reality is that this is unlikely to ever happen, and that if it does, it won't go the way you hope it will, so to say that everyone needs to just accept tens of thousands of American deaths per year, because you really want to cling to that childish fantasy, is just being both ignorant and selfish.
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@randallgoldapp9510 Biden is a capitalist, but part of responsible capitalism is reigning in the excesses of the free market. Absolute, unfiltered capitalism is just as destructive to society as absolute communism, and no country on Earth practices it. It is responsible governmental policies for the government to spend heavily during a crisis, as they can take on debt much more efficiently than private citizens can. This helps speed up the recovery. You then need to tax appropriately to cover the costs of that spending, which was the flaw in the previous administration. They should have raised taxes during the period of positive growth the Obama economy provided, rather than lowering taxes, which had raised the deficit and national debt.
2. Trump is certainly an excitable speaker, no argument there. He knows how to throw red meat to his base. That doesn't make him a coherent speaker. His speeches are just uncoordinated rambles about his various grievances that rarely stay on topic for more than thirty seconds at a time. The wall with Mexico only even exists because "build the wall" was an easy mnemonic device when he lost his train of thought. Joe Biden has a stutter which affects his ability to speak without a stumble, but he is always aware of the topic of his message and can stick to the theme he's discussing. He is more aware of the world around him than Trump was, and is far less likely to suggest people inject bleach.
As for the campaign, Biden's campaign was more responsible during a pandemic. Trump held a massive rally in Tulsa, and as a direct result, several of his supporters DIED, and who knows how many others spread infection to their local communities. Viral rates in the region spiked considerably. Biden, on the other hand, responsibly avoided doing mass gatherings of people, and instead used the miracle of the Internet to reach millions of followers without needing any of them within 6ft of each other. It would take a special kind of stupid to imply that Biden was the one making the wrong call there.
Trump's policies did not create peace anywhere, he just coasted on Obama's, except in places that he made less stable, and then claimed victories in places where he accomplished very little. There is no place in the world that was better off due to his actions there.
Yeah, I voted for the other guy, and any rational person would.
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King Charles ✔ So your messaging seems confused. All your posts are a laundry list of fake news talking points about Joe Biden, but you actually seem to be approving of his policies, so what are you actually personally disagreeing with? What is driving all this hate? Are you just repeating what you've been told to repeat by the fake news? Who would you have preferred, if not Trump or Biden?
Also, Biden never mass locked anyone in cages. during the Obama administration, when he wasn't in charge, they locked up far fewer people than during the Trump administration. Their policy was to bring people in get them registered for court dates, and then let them go to return when that date comes up, whereas Trump was keeping people detained for months and even years without due process. The Obama administration also only separated families if the parents were charged with actual felonies, like drug trafficking, and put those children into stable environments as quickly as possible. The Trump administration shifted this to stripping children away from their parents and just deporting the parents, often with no documentation to reunite those parents with their children. You would have to be a monster to support something like that, right?
then if we're talking the Biden administration itself, he was working with the hand he was dealt. He was handed the Trump DHS and the Trump facilities and the Trump backlogs of existing immigrants, and you can't sort that mess out overnight. It took them a few months to get things finally organized, which is miraculously fast if you give it any thought, and by this point it's running much more smoothly, with a processing time of only a few days and then they can be resettled to a more safe environment. It's hard to seriously expect more than that.
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King Charles ✔ You seem to be spitting out the same phrases over and over again. Is this some sort of a "sheep checklist" that you keep referring to or something? Do you have any original thoughts? I asked you what YOU personally want. These "concerns" you raise do not seem like anything that you personally care about, they seem like things that you believe would bother other people, if they believed you.
There were more people heading to the border after Trump left office and after covid had slowed them down last year, but it was basicaly just the expected seasonal push. Like I said, Biden could not magically create facilities to hold them, so at one point there might have been a lot of them in ustody, but that was due to the systemic failures that Trump put into place. Presidents are not wizards, they cannot magically create a new country on day one, they have to work with the tools they were given. Within months Biden had been able to turn most of that around though, which is all anyone could reasonably expect. Also, Biden did not build any wall, he just continued existing plans to repair already existing border facilities. He also removed the funding that had been stolen from the DoD for border construction and put it back where it legally belonged. And I don't have any student debt, I paid it off like a decade ago.
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@blksbth1 Your data is incorrect. By a VERY wide margin, red states take more in federal taxes than they provide out, wile blue states give more into federal taxes than they take out. I mean, California alone is the fifth largest economy in the world. Nor for states, for countries. Of the top ten states in terms of federal tax (ie productivity), only Texas and Florida are red. Even leaving out NY and California (whcih both beat Texorida), the remaining six blue states make more when combined than Texorida would.
Then of "debtor states," of the ten states most dependent on federal funding, only one of the top ten (New Mexico) is a blue state, and only five of the top twenty are blue (add Maine, Hawaii, Vermont, and Nevada).
Blue states are unquestionably more productive and self-reliant than red ones.
Btw, you do realize that if red states "cut the cord, you'd have to move, or be trapped on the blue side of the border with free healthcare and social security?
As for the future, here's the future. People are irrelevant to it. Nobody cares where people move, they will not matter to the future. The future is automation. Every job will be automated within our lifetimes, whatever it is you do for a living, nobody will need anyone to do that thing by the end of the century. So we don't need to care where people move, we need to care about what companies can and will do to keep as much money as possible with as little responsibility as possible.
That means ensuring they have no tax havens where they can incorporate with minimal taxes and regulation. If we fail to do that, then you will not only have no salary, but also no food or shelter. If, on the other hand, we can keep corporations accountable to the public, and require that they provide their fair share in exchange for their fortunes, then we can afford to provide you with food, shelter, and a basic quality standard of living, the same as everyone else. Unless you live in a red state, where they won't provide any of that.
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@blksbth1 As for Trump allegations, there are a few in here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/19/trump-predator-new-book-fresh-allegations
Trump and Epstein did fall out, but it wasn't over women. I mean, if you don't understand that Trump is a known sex predator by this point, where have you even been the past five years?
" Are you sure you aren't confusing that with Miss America (not teens)? "
I am sure. TEEN USA, not the adult competition. Either way it would be sexual predator behavior.
"As for the racism claim, none of what you cited stems from those individuals being black. "
Lol. "If you can't defend him from racism, join him," I guess.
" Trump basically challenged Obama's citizenry in the same regard. "
Obama was born in Hawaii. That is in America. And nobody seriously questioned whether someone born to American parents overseas was allowed to be President, we already knew that they could be, it was never said as anything but a joke by anyone outside of Republican circles.
"Funny how he was never ONCE considered a racist by anyone until he ran for President as a Republican. "
This is absolutely untrue. He was considered racist, especially after his attacks against Obama. Even when he was somewhat "popular" with black people, it was a transactional relationship. He was a wealthy businessman that could do favors to black people, and they could give him some credibility and fluff his ego. Again, if you didn't already know that, it only indicts your news sources.
Trump was not as open in his racism until after he started campaigning for Republican votes, but if he had been saying the same things in 2005 as he'd been saying since 2016, he would have been a pariah.
" You will see, rather quickly and clearly, that he went out of his way to say that, when referring to the "good people", he was NOT referring to white supremacists,"
Lie.
Do not lie and expect to be taken seriously, particularly if you had to lie to yourself to get there.
You can't read Trump transcripts because he reads in word salad. You need to WATCH Trump speaking. He does sometimes say the right thing, but only in a dismissive fashion, while spotlighting the dogwhistles to his base. IT lets him have it both ways. It's like his Jan 6th speech, "you have to go home, but I love you for trying to overthrow the government (paraphrasing)"
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@blksbth1 It was impossible for Trump to say "there were fine people on both sides" and NOT have been saying that white supremacists were fine, because there were TWO sides, and ONE of those sides was white supremacists. Now if he'd said "there are fine people on one of those sides," their might be some ambiguity, because even though anyone who followed him would know that he meant the white supremacist side there, he could always say, with a wink, that he mean the other side. But no, he said both sides, so he was saying that the white supremacists were fine. Any later statements he might have made to walk that back a bit were just face-saving,the message had been delivered to his supporters that he was on their side.
It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
"or at least none that folks on my side of the spectrum seem to hear. "
This is the key part of your response. THIS is absolute true. Everything else is either delusion or deliberate deception.
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@blksbth1 But Trump also said "there were good people on both sides." One of those sides was ONLY white supremacists. You cannot say "there were good people on both sides," without saying "some white supremacists are fine." What he said after that would be irrelevant unless he specifically said that "fine people on both sides" was a mistake, and he never did, even weeks and months later. Anything else he said in that speech was irrelevant, because he delivered the message that matters to his white supremacist fans out there, he had their back.
"THERE WERE PEOPLE PROTESTING THAT WEREN'T WHITE SUPREMACISTS. "
Yes, of course there were, they were on the OTHER side from the white supremacists. If he'd only said "there were good people on the side opposing the white supremacists," nobody would have gotten upset (aside from Trump's base, of course).
If people were there opposing taking down Confederate statues, those people are called "white supremacists."
And of course even white supremacists have the right to protest, but we aren't arguing that they didn't, we are pointing out that the President should not be praising them, calling them "fine people."
And no, the only Violence in Charlottesville was one of the white supremacists rolling over a leftist with his car. The counter protesters had every right to counter protest just as much as the protesters did.
Antifa is too often used as a scapegoat for violence caused by the right.
"For example, can you name several very good things that came out of the last administration that folks on both sides of the aisle should have celebrated?"
I honestly can't. I mean, there are good things that happened during his presidency, but none that I could specifically attribute to Trump's actions, none that would not have happened anyway if any other person were at that desk. Every decision he made was bad, or at least was for bad purposes, like trying to bribe constituencies he clearly didn't care about into voting for him. I'd like to hear your list though. What are ten things that Trump did that left-leaning voters should praise him for?
Was one of them getting the Justice Department to spy on the children of House Intelligence Committee staffers? I don't think you'll find a lot of takers there.
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@anniehopkins8470 First, I don't think you're correct that requiring IDs is automatically racist, and I'm not sure why it would ever be sexist, but it can obviously be implemented in a way that harms some voters more than others, and that might lead to racist intent and racist outcome. It all depends on the wording of the particular bill, such as the one in Texas, which does have racist intent and outcomes.
Second, voter ID is a Republican priority, the Democrats are not citing that as the primary reason they are opposed to most of these bills, so it's a bit baffling as to why defenders of these bills keep responding with "voter ID isn't a problem!!!!," when that isn't responding to the argument being made at all.
Democrats tend to be more opposed to measures by Republican states ot allow their legislatures to throw out the results of an election if it does not go their way and substitute the results with their own picks. Democrats also tend to oppose measures to restrict the time and places that people are allowed to vote, making it less likely that they will be able to do so. Those are the issues Democrats actually care about. Voter ID is a sideshow to that.
And obviously, NO Democrat would ever even consider intelligence to be a factor here, ONLY Republicans claim that certain communities are somehow "too stupid" to be able to get voter ID, and how dare "Democrats suggest that." The reasons Democrats actual cite is hard data that black communities are less likely to already have the required IDs (since they are more likely to live in urban areas where driving is not required), and are less able to get to places where these IDs can be acquired, or to afford them when they do.
This is not to say that NO black voters can get these IDs, or that ONLY black voters will not have them, it is just to point out that it has a disproportionate effect.
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@anniehopkins8470 How can an implementation hurt some voters more than others? Well, say you have a voting area in which there are 1000 people. 500 of those people live in an urban area, and 500 of those people live in rural areas around it. Of the 500 rural voters, almost all of them already have a driver's license, because they have few alternatives to driving if you want to get anywhere. Of the 500 urban people, some of them do have driver's licenses, but many of them have no need for one, because they can walk or take public transit to where they need to go.
So if you just implement a "everyone now needs a valid drivers license to vote" bill, then that can make it so that suddenly, through no fault of their own, a larger percentage of the urban population would be ineligible to cast their Constitutionally mandated vote, while far fewer of the rural voters would be in that position.
That is a disparate impact.
Now how can you correct for that? Well getting a valid Id sometimes has a cost involved. If you need one anyway, this is usually considered the cost of being allowed to drive and is ok, but you should never have any cost to be able to vote, so there needs to be some form of completely free valid voter ID that is available to all voters at request.
and of course to get such an ID, people typically have to go to an authorized location, such as the DMV. For people driving there, this is typically no problem, but if you don't drive, or live a busy life, then getting to the DMV, particularly during office hours, might be impossible, so there would need to be methods to get a valid ID without leaving the home, ideally at 24 hours a day. So long as such methods are available, you can have an ID system without it causing disparate impacts.
And of course you can't require ID of a mail-in ballot, for obvious reasons.
This is not really a very important issue though, since fraudulent voting is a non-issue. It accounts for maybe a few hundred votes per hundreds of millions cast, NEVER enough to flip the results of any contest higher than "dog catcher." It would not make sense to implement a system that would potentially lead to thousands of eligible voters being unable to cast their ballot, only to prevent dozens of illegal ballots from being cast. That's just "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
"The entire basis of this "voter ID is racist" argument is predicated on democrats seeing minorities as "less capable", "
This is absolutely untrue. Find me evidence of even ONE prominent Democrat making this case. The issue is not that anyone is "less capable" in terms of intelligence, it's just that some people's circumstances place them in a position where they have less access to certain services. If it were about intelligence then obviously Democrats wouldn't have a problem with it, since Republican voters are. . . not terribly gifted in that category. I mean, 70m-some people voted for Trump last year. LAST YEAR. If voter ID disenfranchised stupid voters, Democrats would be riding high.
And I'm sorry, but I have FACTUALLY only ever heard Republicans saying "Democrats think black people are stupid," as a reason that voter Id is not a problem. I have never once heard a Democrat raise this point, or any point that could reasonably be confused for that point.
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@lexpox329 Yes, but obviously we can't just wait around for that to happen. For one thing, by the time dino juice got super expensive, like $6+ per gallon in the US, if we didn't already have the green infrastructure to support things, then people would just have to pay those crazy prices for a decade or more as the industry caught up. It's impossible to make a green shift over night.
For the other, if we made no investments in green projects, then green vehicles would still cost the equivalent of tens of dollars per gallon, and it would take forever for oil to get that expensive. We need to invest in green tech to improve it and drive costs down, so that they can meet the oil tech in the middle.
So obviously there will be a point where switching to green energy will become inevitable, but we want that transition point to be as smooth as possible, so that everyone barely even notices when the line flips.
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@jetmech9287 Yes, if you buy a work of art, it goes on your taxes. Typically sales tax is what applies, although if you eventually sell art at a higher value than you paid, you need to be aware of both values and pay capital gains tax on the difference. Your signed baseball would be taxed at 28%+ if you sold it, although it's worth pointing out that the IRS isn't likely to come after people for selling a few small value items.
Again, I'm not sure what crypto is classified under, but I expect it would be something along the lines of stocks. If by some chance the current law does not cover crypto, then it can be changed so that it does, and it probably should be.
Now, as for transactions, you can get in a lot of trouble if you try to cheat the system. If, for example, you want to sell a house, and so you get the person to "pay" you in diamonds. Just because he handed you diamonds and not cash does not mean that this is not income and does not need to be reported. I'm no tax expert, so I'm not exactly sure where you would need to report that, but it would go someplace in your taxes that you acquired something of value.
Bitcoin does not have arbitrary value, because there is a market for it, and therefore a market value. You have to consider market value for tax purposes, not whatever value you put on an item.
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@jetmech9287 But the point is, when you do sell it, you are accountable to paying capital gains on the difference between the buy price and the sell price, so it is listed in your taxes.
Bartering is taxable, and if you try to use bartering to avoid paying taxes on a transaction, that is called "tax evasion." Here is an article covering that: https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/irs-cautions-bartering-transactions-are-taxable-transactions
Here is an IRS page on it: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/four-things-you-should-know-if-you-barter
And no, the value of bitcoin is not arbitrary because it has a market value. I have no idea what that value is off the top of my head, but let's say it's $50K. If I gave you three Bitcoin, I could not declare that this value is arbitrary and that I only value it at $20, and therefore you only owe taxes as if I gave you $20. We would both have to use the market value of what 3 Bitcoin is worth, so we would have to register $150K for relevant tax data.
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@michaelkennedy6415 I find that conservatives tend to enjoy "debate" formats, and value their outcomes, but generally, any debate between a "liberal" and a "conservative" just degrade into bullying tactics on the part of the conservative, in which they shout down their opponents and use logical fallacies to give the illusion of strength, and therefore are declared "the winner" by conservative audiences that value strongmen over intellectual honesty. Public debate is just a poor format for finding the actual truth of an argument.
One thing I've long wished for is a "truth debate," one not based on throwing ammunition at the other side as rapidly as possible until the time runs out, and instead one with the format that each side has a team of knowledgeable people, each time a question is posed they are given time and access to materials to research the question fully and form a counter argument, and then these counter arguments are read dispassionately by a moderator, rather than being delivered as a rhetorical flourish. The goal would not be to determine who is the better master debater, but who has the most valid POSITION.
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@cyberprince_aah If you gave me an apt analogy, I must have missed that post. None of the stuff that popped up in my notifications made much sense. This latest post, for example, it's just a word salad ramble that doesn't actually make any argument. Let's go back to basics, there are trans gender people out there, and the consensus of the medical research into the topic is that the healthiest thing for them is to be accepted as the person they believe themselves to be. This does not necessarily apply to every medical condition, but it does apply to being transgender.
If you believe that it would be unfair for a trans girl to be able to compete with non-trans girls, then why do you not also agree that it would be unfair for a trans girl to not be able to compete with other girls? If there is a category that is defined as "for girls," the it has to include all the girls, including the trans ones. Otherwise, you're just picking and choosing. If a little girl can only win by eliminating all the competition from being allowed to participate, then how can she claim to be "the best" at anything?
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@cyberprince_aah Ok, we can consider that trans athletes should have their own playground, a sort of "segregation," if you will.
It wouldn't work.
Ok, now that we've considered that, the question is how to best incorporate the trans youth in our communities, and allowing them to participate in the sports that are attached to their gender seems to be the best option for that.
Again, no "cismales decide to become trans women." That's not a thing. If they were trans women, then they were always trans women, whether they'd realized that about themselves or not. It's not a choice, you can't just turn it on or off at a whim, it's a core aspect of who you are.
Is it "unfair" for someone with certain typically male biological traits to complete with women? Is it unfair for a 6'5ft tall teenager to compete in a league where the average height is 5'5? Is it unfair for a male swimmer to compete when his arms are disproportionately large relative to the human average? Is it unfair for one athlete to spend as much time in the gym as another and come out with larger muscles because they process nutrients more efficiently?
Sports are never fair.
Every competition will include people who have biological advantages over their competition, and that's before we even factor in things like access to food, time available to train, access to advanced machinery and techniques, sports are NEVER fair. So to use "fairness" as an excuse to exclude trans girls from being able to participate in sports is ridiculous, unless the intent is to make those girls feel excluded.
So, again, so long as the category is defined by gender, so long as it is a "women's" category, then it needs to include ALL women, even those with biological advantages like most Olympians have. This goes doubly for non-professional sports, where the only thing on the line is "fun."
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@cyberprince_aah Oh, I thought It was obvious why segregating trans athletes would not work, but I guess I can dumb it down for you if it was less obvious to you. There aren't enough of them. Trans people make up less than 1% of the population, and many of those have no interest in being athletes. A typical school district will have thousands of female athletes, enough to provide full teams at every school, but would likely only have one or two trans athletes in any given activity, so it would be impossible to build any sort of competitive field. The whole point of amateur athletics is to allow people to compete with each other. Segregating trans athletes is no different than banning them from sport entirely.
And of course trans women use women's restrooms, where else would they go?
"Yes, this is unfair, this is exactly why I said that males are far more superior in strength than women, the science supports this,"
But again, it is not just a "male vs female" issue. You can take ten men, plain old ordinary men, and have them do the EXACT same diet and workout routine, and some of them will come out of that with more effective bodies than the others, just because of slight differences in their biology. Again, no two men are identical, there are always differences. Yes, if you "put in the work" you can improve your potential as an athlete, just as trans women need to put in the work to be great in their sport, but there is no amount of effort that can make up for an equal amount of effort plus talent. The top athletes in the world worked hard to get where they are, but that does not mean that any random person could have achieved the same results if they'd taken every identical step along the way.
Sport is never fair.
Sport has an illusion of fairness, you have the same number of people on each side, you have the same starting line, etc., but each athlete has their own natural strengths and weaknesses to deal with.
Michael Phelps was born with longer arms than most humans, that does not mean he should not be allowed to swim. A trans woman may have been born with stronger muscles than most other women, but that does not mean she should not be allowed to compete.
Also, nobody is arguing that cismales should be allowed to compete in women's sports, only trans women. If a cismale attempts to compete in a women's sport, then that would be fraud.
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The experts aren't right because they are experts.
The experts are experts because they are right.
No expert makes a claim and expects people to believe them purely because they have credentials. There is valid data to back up their claim, and that data will be available to you, so you can verify their claims. If they don't happen to repeat that data every time they make a claim, it is not because they are hiding it, it is because that is a lot of material to repeat over and over again, but that does not mean that it does not exist. Unfortunately, most of the audience is intellectually incapable of understanding the data itself, so they require someone to tell them what it means, and that someone is likely to be another expert.
In general, it is a good idea to take comments made by actual "experts" at face value, because it would harm their credibility if they made claims that could be disproven. If they remain a credible expert, then they tend to have made a lot of claims that were backed up by the science and stood up to scrutiny, as is the case with Doctor Hotez, and that means that what they do say is extremely unlikely to be false. If, on the other hand, someone has a long track record of making false claims, like RFK Jr., then it is safer to dismiss their claims, in general.
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@grantbaker371 But, again, most of America has been exploited to its maximum potential, or at least with the aim of producing the same goals. You could perhaps replace some crops with more efficient ones, that sort of thing, but there are not massive amounts of space that are not currently being used for some economic purpose, outside of reserved ecological areas. Two interesting programs to me are "Why Wyoming is vastly emptier than Colorado" by Real Life Lore (spoilers, it's water resources), and also, the Ken Burns films on Buffalo, which go into how massively we've already shifted the Great Plains, and how risky that can be.
TL;DR, water resources are going to be an issue, because the places with abundant water lack other elements that would allow them to exploit that water, and many other places are going to fall further and further behind their own water needs. Even the Mississippi was facing short term water issues, who knows how long that might continue.
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@graye2799 What I'm saying is, if you raise your kids right, they should never be in competition with a migrant worker for a job. The migrants "taking up those jobs" is not bad, because it means that those jobs are getting filled, which means that the goods and services provided by that job are taking place, which is better for you and your children than that job being vacant would be.
As for why I'm against deportation, it's because it's handled in an inhuman manner. I'm not against all deportation, when it follows proper procedure and due process, but I reject the policies of the incoming administration, because I think it's important to treat humans humanely.
And again, "the labor market" is irrelevant, it will be reduced to zero within our lifetimes, certainly within your child's. Again, if we're fighting amongst ourselves about "labor" then we're missing the point entirely.
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@ Again, housing is already too expensive, nobody can afford the cost of building going up, so that is a fixed amount. Everything that changes needs to take place with construction wages remaining flat. If there aren't enough people willing to work at the current wages, then the result is not wages going up, it's just fewer projects getting funded, and more homeless people.
As for migrants somehow lowering housing prices, probably not, because the housing they could afford was not housing that other Americans were trying to get into. There is plenty of housing in America for everyone in it to have a roof over their head, the problem is that a lot of the available housing is not in a location or of a type that the buyers are interest in.
As for why the working class often votes this way? They are very manageable by the elites, so manageable, they don't even notice it.
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@ You're looking at the systems too simply, only looking at one part of it at a time, rather than the whole thing. There is a demand for housing, yes, but there is also a limit to how much people are willing and able to spend. If you reduce supply, then the simple answer is that this increases profits because it is less than demand, but the more practical result is that it just prices people out of the market, and fewer people are able to obtain housing, or they have to make do with worse and worse options. Housing prices are already too high, you cannot raise that number significantly. So if you reduce the supply of workers, that does not lead to higher wages for the remaining ones, it just leads to fewer total projects, which means fewer homes to go around, which means fewer people with homes.
And there is no long term gain to the sorts of tariffs being discussed here. It will only lead to increased prices for US consumers, while the rest of the world laughs. Many construction materials are made in the US, but the prices on those will go up due to the increased labor costs of producing them. Those materials we get outside the US will go up, either due to Trump's tariffs, or due to taxes that other countries put on them in retaliation for his tariffs. And of course in a feedback loop, the US produced products will get hit by a second price rise, because even if something is "produced" here, it often has costs that would involve foreign imports, such as needing precursor materials, parts, and machinery produced overseas.
The costs will all go up.
There will be no benefits to it.
It is only a bad thing, unless you are one of America's enemies, in which case, it's the best possible thing. It's the US dunking on their own basket.
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John Doe They delete my comments too, all the time. It's not really a partisan mechanic, they seem to delete most posts with links to outside content, and sometimes based on certain keywords. I think individual channels can set up their own censor-list, because some police words that others don't.
"Not following parties" is just a child throwing a tantrum. We have a two-party system at the moment, so you are either following one, or you are following the other, or you are accomplishing nothing. If the two-party system bothers you, then encourage methods of ranked-choice voting and different ways of distributing House seats, but for the most part, there is no chance of the two-party system changing any time soon. Crying about it won't help anything.
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John Doe Well of course you don't see my comments get deleted. They were DELETED. By I know they were deleted, because I typed them, and then they weren't there. Their censoring system isn't that complex, either you were including links to something and they didn't want outside links, or you were saying some word that's on either their kill list or Bloomberg's.
Comments that do get deleted are typically within seconds, well before any human could actually read your post for context. You can have a perfectly rational comment that includes one "kill word" in a completely appropriate context, and it will vanish instantly, or you can post something truly horrifyingly vile, but avoiding all their casual trigger words, and it will sit around just fine for hours, at least. Not that I recommend anyone do such a thing.
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John Doe Independents are pro-Democrats. That's why Democrats have consistently got the majority of the votes in the last couple decades. A lot of military don't particularly like Democrats, but they are at least loyal to the country, so if the country elects Democrats, they will follow Democratic orders. A country in which the military just decides to ignore the elected government is called a "Dictatorship," and nobody wants that.
The thing is, Republicans hate Democrats, and their primary political goal is "*not* whatever the Democrats want," but the Democrats actually try to accomplish things, and the world the Democrats will create is better for everyone to live in, including Republicans, so I'm fine with that.
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@kaijohnson5033 Again, it's not an "all or nothing" thing. If you wear a mask during most of a flight, but take it off occasionally, that does not invalidate the times where you had it on. You're adding risk, but you still may have prevented infection from occurring during the portion where you were wearing your mask. It's like speeding in a car, following the speed limit all the time is good, breaking the speed limit occasionally adds more risk of a crash, but just because you might speed some of the time does not mean that you may as well speed all the time.
And yes, N95 masks are what is recommended, and everyone should have free access to them if they need them, but other types of masks are still better than nothing. But yes, get an N95 mask, especially if you're going to be flying.
And again, even IF you personally believe that masks are completely worthless, there is literally no reason to not wear one, so just wear it and stop being a petulant bother to those around you.
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@kaijohnson5033 But you're misunderstanding how virus works. It's not like if you breath some virus out into a plane, that you've instantly and inevitably doomed everyone in that plan to infection. You have just expelled a certain amount of viral particles. Those viral particles would then move around a bit through the cabin, settle on surfaces, and eventually die. IF those particles get close to another passenger, and IF they do not have their own mask on (or it manages to bypass those filters), then the particles might enter their body. And if it does, those particles might lead to infection, or might be fought off before it reaches that point.
The more particles, the more frequently they come into contact, the greater the risk.
Too many people seem to view infection as some absolute binary thing, either you're 100% safe or 0% safe. It's instead just layers of risk, and no matter what you do (short of staying entirely away form any infected person), you will never be at 0%, but you will also never be at 100%. Wearing a mask increases your protection, getting vaccinated increases your protection, those around you doing these things increases your protection, but it is never 100%, and it is never 0%.
If passengers all wear their masks 100% of the time, then that would be the lowest risk of transmission, but if they all take their masks off for 10% of the time, especially if they stagger that a bit, then their risks have gone up, but they are still nowhere close to 100%.
And personally, I rate someone who would put "a very small complaint" like having to wear a mask over the life of another human as "trash." It is a fact that thousands of people are dead specifically because someone chose not to wear a mask. You cannot claim that your "minor inconvenience" is more of a burden than their life was worth. So anyone ATTEMPTING to make such an argument is absolute garbage, and there is no defending them. People whining over minor inconvenience can claim NO moral equivalency to people "whining" in an attempt to save human lives.
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@TheDragonageorigins You'd think so, right? I mean it sounds right, doesn't it, that if you raise taxes on businesses, then they'll just jack up prices, right? Except we know for a fact that this is not what happens, they don't raise prices, or at least not more than they would under normal conditions. After all, there was a massive corporate tax cut recently and they certainly didn't lower prices, right?
The fact is that the companies will just set the prices to as high as people are willing to pay, and if they aren't willing to pay more, then they won't raise the prices. If they are willing to pay more then they will jack up the prices whether you raise taxes on them or not. Very few businesses are so on the margin that raising their corporate taxes would put them out of business, instead they will just not buy-back as many stocks, or not pay as massive a bonus to their executives, but so far as the average employee or customer, those prices are baked in either way.
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@ZepFan01-rs5xc I don't know the context of the photo you're talking about, but it's possible that the reporter was directly talking to people, while the cameraman was staying far enough back that it was less of a risk. Or perhaps the reporter was just trying to show a good example to the public. That is not some "gotcha" moment that you seem to think it is.
Hangovers have not killed 600,000 Americans. Yes, many people who get it only have mild flu symptoms, or no symptoms at all, but it still kills twenty times more people than the average flu season, even AFTER taking serious measures to reduce that number, and leaves others with long term disabilities. It may be a joke to you, but that does not mean that it actually IS a joke to those that get serious cases of it.
Some people have had the flu, you can see tracking of it on CDC sites. There were around 400 flu deaths in 2020-2021 season. The flu rate is much lower than in a normal year, but that is because 1. a lot more people got flu shots this year than normal, and 2. the same sorts of things that reduce covid risk ALSO work against the flu, so since a lot more people were staying home, not going to mass gatherings, etc., a lot less people got the flu. This should not be surprising to you. If we handled every flu season the way we handled covid, then we would see similarly tiny numbers, but since the flu has a MUCH higher survivability rate than covid, it would not be worth taking such extreme measures.
There are only 20-30,000 flu deaths in a normal flu season, I'm not sure who lied to you and told you "400,000." The CDC also predicts how many "expected deaths" each year will have due to normal circumstances like old age and card crashes and that sort of thing, and 2020 had roughly 400,000 deaths above that expected amount, meaning around 400,000 MORE Americans died last year than any reasonable expectations could account for without factoring in covid's impacts.
And are you SERIOUSLY trying to spread the Big Lie too now? Geez, I really hope you're a Russian plant at this point, because I'm tired of believing that Americans can be this stupid.
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I know "because magic" is an unsatisfying answer, but it certainly could be an issue of "because magic AND science." Think of it this way, there are the White Walkers and all those up in the north, right? So perhaps the natural cycle there is a relatively normal Earth seasonal pattern, but when there are periods in which the White Walkers are "feeling powerful," they naturally lower the temperatures up there by only a few degrees, and that could create a natural climate cycle like the Atlantic Conveyor, which then transports colder weather down to the lower parts of the globe. the result would be that "natural winters" would become even colder, and "natural summers" would be suppressed to the level of just "a slightly pleasant January day," until this magical ice-box effect settled down, at which point natural seasons would resume. And perhaps since they typically have particularly long summers in the first place, maybe their "natural winters" would be a lot milder than in most of America, more of a "California winter."
Now the scariest aspect of this is, what if these periodic magical cold snaps were necessary to maintaining a balanced climate, and that without any White Walkers to occasionally cool things off, the climate would actually get warmer and warmer over the next few centuries, until everything becomes uninhabitable?
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@troublemaker1778 Again, IF the governments who legally control a region choose to allow that region to break off, then that's fine. But if that region decides against the wishes of the larger nation that they wish to secede, then they can secede their own bodies, but not the land under their feet.
As for "organization the ethnic groups right," that's never perfect, because while there are often majorities in a region, and "historical roots," there are rarely any perfectly clear lines to be drawn, and as much harm has been caused by attempting to do so as good. This is why when the African countries gained independence from colonial powers, they agreed among themselves to avoid redrawing the borders wherever possible and just try to make the existing countries work. Good people do not need ethnically pure populations, they can take a jumbled mix of different ethnic cultures and work together to build a strong country out of it.
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@gyn6131 Employers don't pay anything into witholdings though, they just collect the employee's money so that he doesn't have to do it himself. Employers only match the payroll tax, which, as I explained, is a lot smaller.
So, again, using 2022 numbers, employee income tax paid for 54% of the total tax revenue, this came 100% for employees, 0% from corporations. Then 30% came from payroll taxes, this came 15% from employees, 15% from corporations. Then 9% came from taxes on corporate profits. Then there were 7% in excise and "other" taxes, things like fees, tariffs, and inheritance. So adding that up, 69% of the total tax revenues came directly from employees, and 24% came from corporations, plus as much as 7% on each since depending on how that amount gets divided. In NO calculation do the corporations end up paying more.
Now that you understand that, I'm glad we can agree that you were wrong and move on.
As to your next point, there have been plenty of studies on this, and no, when taxes are lowered, corporations do not invest in growing things, they just buy back stocks and do other things to enrich investors. Companies ONLY spent money on improving the business when the business conditions are good, and that is BETTER achieved by giving more money to employees, so that they spend more. Basically, any tax cut to lower income individuals is worth several times the value of any tax cut to corporations or the wealthy.
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@gyn6131 So, again, once ALL the math has been accounted for, private individuals pay 69% of the tax revenues, and corporations only account for 24%, roughly 1/3 as much. That's all I was saying.
And again, history shows that raising taxes on corporations has no downsides and ONLY upsides. When you give corporations more money, they don't :invest" it in ways that benefit the average person, they "invest" it in things that pay off CEOs and shareholders, and nothing improves for the average American. Corporations have ZERO interest in "sharing with their employees," and will only "share" with them the bare minimum that it would take to get them to come in to work the next day. No more, no less, no matter how much windfall they are provided. It is pure fantasy that "give corporations more money, and good things will happen for ordinary people," but most small children grow out of such fantasies.
On the OTHER hand, when you RAISE taxes on the corporations, the average citizen benefits significantly, from either lower taxes for themselves, or for improved services from the government. It's win-win. Those are according to the facts, at least, I can't speak for your feelings on the matter.
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@gyn6131 So, again, once ALL the math has been accounted for, private individuals pay 69% of the tax revenues, and corporations only account for 24%, roughly 1/3 as much. That's all I was saying.
And again, history shows that raising taxes on corporations has no downsides and ONLY upsides. When you give corporations more money, they don't "invest" it in ways that benefit the average person, they "invest" it in things that pay off CEOs and shareholders, and nothing improves for the average American. Corporations have ZERO interest in "sharing with their employees," and will only "share" with them the bare minimum that it would take to get them to come in to work the next day. No more, no less, no matter how much windfall they are provided. It is pure fantasy that "give corporations more money, and good things will happen for ordinary people," but most small children grow out of such fantasies.
On the OTHER hand, when you RAISE taxes on the corporations, the average citizen benefits significantly, from either lower taxes for themselves, or for improved services from the government. It's win-win. Those are according to the facts, at least, I can't speak for your feelings on the matter.
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@gyn6131 So, again, once ALL the math has been accounted for, private individuals pay 69% of the tax revenues, and corporations only account for 24%, roughly 1/3 as much. That's all I was saying.
And again, history shows that raising taxes on corporations has no downsides and ONLY upsides. When you give corporations more money, they don't "invest" it in ways that benefit the average person, they "invest" it in things that pay off CEOs and shareholders, and nothing improves for the average American. Corporations have ZERO interest in "sharing with their employees," and will only "share" with them the bare minimum that it would take to get them to come in to work the next day. No more, no less, no matter how much windfall they are provided.
On the OTHER hand, when you RAISE taxes on the corporations, the average citizen benefits significantly, from either lower taxes for themselves, or for improved services from the government. It's win-win. Those are according to the facts, at least, I can't speak for your feelings on the matter.
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@Donny_Double_Dip Ok, so if a child is trans, why do you not believe they should be supported? You do know that trans youths have a much higher suicide rate than the general population, and that supporting their transition greatly reduces this, right? Why would you prefer that they die than that they bother you by being alive and trans?
Also, if you wanted to call a black person the n-word, and they asked you to not call them that, would you be offended that they are " forcing you to speak a certain way?" I mean, if we're being honest with each other, I'm sure your answer would be "of course," but I do think that society in general has moved past that point, as they will on this topic. Bigotry is a constantly moving goal post, what was seen as bigotry fifty years ago is often seen as "ridiculous" to even modern bigots, just as their own bigotry will seem ridiculous to bigots fifty years from now. That does not make it right. Get ahead of the curve, rather than behind it.
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@gold_ram_5.780 A larger population does not make covid unmanageable. There are plenty of countries in the world that has smaller populations than others, but saw worse covid outcomes because they handled it poorly. Sweden, for example, had 10 million people but 1400 cases per million, Germany had 83 million people but only 1000 deaths per million.
Of the other countries in the world, India has four times our population, but only 1/9th as many deaths per million (although that looks likely to climb). Indonesia and Pakistan are only slightly lower population than us, but have 211 and 102 deaths per million respectively.
And of course we would have had a vaccine, Trump didn't do anything special there, he just let the medical professionals do what they would do under any president. The only difference there is that Biden would have had an actual distribution plan, so we would have gotten to where we ended up in March by January or so, and gotten to where we were in June by April.
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@jeremygilbert7989 In terms of Deaths per capita, the US is 17th's worst in the world. That is absolutely NOTHING to cheer about, given that this means we are worse than about 150+ other countries. It's like cheering about barely getting a "D" grade because it wasn't an "F." And most of those countries that did worse than us were scrappy little Eastern European countries, hardly the gold standard for "of course they would come out ahead of the US, but we beat them anyway."
The UK did slightly worse than us, but that's because they, like us, were shackled with a government that insisted on denying there was a problem as best they could, doing the bare minimum when forced into it, but then "ok now, back to work" as quickly as possible, which would lead to another shut-down. I have been following the UK case very closely, and it was a mess on basically the same lines as the US.
Pointing to other countries that also had it bad is no excuse for the state of the US. We COULD have done so much better with the resources we had available to us, and falling short of THAT is what is the problem. You claim to be using statistics, but you're only abusing them to pretend nothing is wrong, when the realities have a LOT of details that the raw statistics cannot cover. The nature of the virus does not just scale linearly with population size, some tiny countries had a terrible run with it, some tiny countries had basically no problem. Some fairly large countries had a terrible time, some fairly large countries did basically as well as could be expected. Both rich and poor countries did better or worse than average, there is no common statistical "fact" as to how each country could be expected to perform. What it ultimately came down to is POLICY, and the US policies during the height of the pandemic were terrible.
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Here's the important thing, there is a difference between 'fair use' and 'monetization".
The H3H3 suit proved that his reaction video was fair use, which means that you cannot make copyright claims against it and he is allowed to post those videos under US law.
This does NOT mean that you are guaranteed a right to make money off of such a video.
If Youtube wants to prevent monetization on react videos then they have every legal right to do so. Hell, they could demonetize ANY videos for ANY reason, it is their platform. We can agree or disagree with their decision, and complain or support them, but it's still ultimately their choice.
That said, my preferred outcome on this is that they should have ways to share monetization on these videos, so that you can make react videos, and you can get some money for them, but also the original author would get money for it. But that's up to Youtube, they can do that or not.
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@Spetsop Ok, but none of that would lead to there being a war unless Putin invaded.
Also, at no point, past, present, or future, was there any legal means by which either Crimea or Donbas would be a part of Russia. The only way that could happen would be if Ukraine as a whole decided that could be the case, no unilateral decision within those regions justifies their annexation into Russia, that is not how international borders work. Anything that Ukraine does within their own borders, including Crimea and Donbas, is none of Russia's business.
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@Spetsop And if the west were attempting to invade Ukraine, then that would be a problem, but they are not. They are attempting to help Ukraine fight off Russian aggression, which is a reasonable self-defense role. If a one nation invades a peaceful sovereign nation, it is the responsibility of the global community to assist them.
Again, if Putin had not invaded Ukraine, there would be no war. If Putin withdraws all his troops from Ukraine and compensates them for damages, the war ends. This is an entirely one sided conflict, Putin vs Ukraine.
And no, "the people living on a land" never get to decide which country they are a part of. That is not how anything works. The people living on the land are the part of the country that they are a part of. If they don't like that, then there are exactly three options available to them. 1. Deal with it, 2. Petition the government to agree to let them go, as was the case with Brexit or Scottish independence, or 3. LEAVE. That does not mean that they get to take the ground under their feet with them when they go, but if they don't want to live in Ukraine, nobody is stopping them from leaving Ukraine. At no point do they have the right to unilaterally claim the ground beneath them though. That is not how it works.
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@Spetsop I'm sure that's what the Kremlin is telling you, but it's nonsense. The West is not using Ukraine for any purpose here, they just want what Ukraine wants, for Russia to stop murdering their citizens. If Russia left Ukraine alone, so would the West.
The US has only invaded countries that were supporting terrorism and/or harming their own citizens. By any reasonable perspective, that would not apply to Ukraine (although I'm sure Kremlin propaganda disagrees). The US has also never claimed any of that foreign territory for ourselves, as Russia has done with Crimea and made efforts to do with the rest of Ukraine, prior to getting their ass kicked.
In case you did not notice, Scotland petitioned for and received the right to a referendum on Scottish independence in 2014. This was a legal process, and the result was that they decided to stay. Had they voted to go, they would have been allowed to do so. They may again have a referendum next year. While Russia claims that such processes took place in Crimea, these were not fair elections and did not take place with the permission of the country as a whole, so they do not count for anything. Crimea was seized through military occupation, nothing more.
Again, if anyone in Crimea or Donbass prefers to live in Russia than in Ukraine, they are free to move to Russia any time they want. At NO point are they allowed to move the land under their feet into Russia with them without the permission of the people of Ukraine.
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@ImTheGuy-mt1lw The maga crowds are not nearly as different as you imply. Why do you believe so many experts in the field have been calling this out for years already? Also, it's the maga folks that make everything about race, dei, and blm, those on the left are just trying to live their lives. They would be the Jewish people in that scenario, not those coming after the Jewish people. Remember that the party leading Germany at that time also came after black and LGBT people in their country, not only Jewish people.
Also, if you believe that maga people do not judge by race or gender, then they have truly captured your mind, because that is the furthest thing from reality. Obama never claimed "vote me cuz im black," and nobody who didn't care about race would claim that he did. He encouraged ALL people to vote for him because he was the better candidate.
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@B_Bodziak Biden gave them very little. More than anyone wanted, FAR more than they deserved, but with the current House, they are just dumb enough and irresponsible enough that their threats had to be taken at least a little seriously. Still, if the Democrats controlled the house, then none of this would have happened at all, so it's hard to blame them for it.
As for the Presidential election, neither Bernie nor AoC would be likely to carry even half as many states as Biden. They are very popular with progressives, but not remotely popular with centrist voters. Like it or not, this country is left of center, but just BARELY, it is not in favor of hard-left policies, however much the progressive caucus wants to pretend that it is. Biden does have his issues as a candidate, but unfortunately, nobody else in either party is a better candidate at the moment. There are a few people who might get there if they can up their brand recognition and credentials, but a bloody 2024 primary fight wouldn't really accomplish much. Also, never-Trumpers are also "never-DeSantises," since he's just as bad in most ways that matter. There would be a space for a truly moderate Republican to outperform Biden, but so far none of them are running, and those that are running are aiming squarely for the MAGA base, because they can't win primaries otherwise.
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@bgblight Again, ANY President would have done as much, if not more to get the vaccine manufactures, Trump gets no special credit for that. It was just something he managed not to mess up.
It's also always been sound fiscal policy to spend during a crisis. Trump should have spent more during the height of the pandemic, but McConnell would not pass through the House relief bills. Now what did harm us there was Trump's previous tax cuts for the wealthy, which gave America less resources to work with during a crisis. The responsible path is to spend during crisis, but also to tax during times of low stress so that you can recover from the spending. Basically, run up a credit card bill to fix a broken car, but then pay off that bill before the next crisis.
So basically, your argument is, if Trump had done a better job being President, the American people would not have fired him? Well, yeah. Maybe. But that doesn't mean anyone owes him anything. If he'd wanted the job, he should have been a better President.
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@midnighttoker9268 But the 2nd amendment nowhere says that the people have the right to use violence to settle disputes. It only sets up the national militia, since at the time we did not have a standing army. It became obsolete once we had a standing army capable of protecting us from foreign threat. If they had intended it to justify insurrection, they would have just SAID that.
If your argument is "the people have a right to rebel, but only if they can beat the government," then one, they can't, so you've just mooted the entire 2nd amendment, and two, that just sets up "might makes right," which is the exact OPPOSITE of the Constitutional Republic the founders built. Also, France seemed to "fight back" perfectly well without a 2nd.
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@423GustavBern Again, the rich paying those taxes subsidizes the public transit for everyone else. It's it the rich paying more, to the direct benefit of the poor, as all taxation should work.
And again, if you WANT to own a car, you still can, but there's no reason why the government should subsidize your luxury purchases, so long as they provide adequate public transit to your location. If you don't currently have access to public transit then that is what needs to change, rather than making it cheaper for you to own and operate a car.
As for "just make cars easier," no. Cars are just a less efficient way of doing things, and while the current US infrastructure is built around them, that is something we should be moving away from, not subsidizing at any level. Government investment should be in the efforts to move away from cars in as many places as possible. There is no reason for a car to exist in Manhattan where public transit can reach every corner of it already. Park outside the city and take public transit in. That's what I already do when visiting local cities because it's much easier than finding convenient parking.
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@StephenRichmond89 Generally, yeah, but "cost effective" is relative. So long as you have plenty of room to spread out as much as you like, it is not cost effective to build to this level of density. On the other hand, if you had a country with very little footprint to work with, and you need to get more and more out of every square foot, then building up is the only way to do that (aside from building down, which has its own issues).
And you can't just build super tall, thin towers, because you run into issues where the elevators become super inefficient to use, and people end up "trapped" on the upper floors because it takes an hour to reach the ground, so if you're going to build tall, you also have to build wide in some way, and spread out goods and services so that people don't need to travel all the way to the ground most of the time,
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@juriscervenaks8953 Pretty much everything, really. I think your primary misunderstanding is how "power" works. Power WILL exist, it is inevitable. someone will hold it. If you remove "government" from the equation, that does not mean everyone gets to do whatever they want, it just means that the strongest get to decide what everyone else is allowed to do. In a capitalist system, this means that the wealthiest corporations get to decide what everyone else has to do.
In a lack of government, corporations become a defacto government. Pretty much every government regulation of businesses exist because at some point, businesses tried to do that thing, and it went poorly, so a law was made to prevent them doing it. If you remove government, they just go back to doing that thing. There is zero difference between an authoritarian soviet state and an authoritarian capitalist state, the "bad" part of that is not the economic model, it's the authoritarian government.
Businesses will NEVER be under the control of the people, so in any system in which businesses are allowed free reign, they will reign free. Governments might not be under the control of the people, depending on how they function, but it's at least possible for them to be under the control of the people, and so that is the outcome that everyone should be fighting for at all times, to ensure that government is as accountable to the people as possible. As they say, "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones," and that includes "anarcho-capitalism."
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Well, on the one hand, when you are electing a single individual, a President, then the better system is a a ranked choice voting system, where you vote for like 3-5 people in order, and if your first choice doesn't win then maybe your second or third would get a boost and win. This is a system mostly likely to give the candidate that most people can tolerate, but least likely to give you the one you want most. Of course you do need to have one person in charge for some roles, just to be able to take decisive action in times of crisis. Parliaments are fine when you have months to debate a topic, but not when someone needs to make a call in ten minutes.
Another issue to consider is that while the US is split into Republicans and Democrats, there are significant factions within those bodies, centrist Dems, socialist Dems, fiscal conservative GOP, methhead lunatic GOP, etc. If we were a different country with a different system, you would have the same basic outcome, the only difference being that instead of two parties, you would have a coalition of the 2-3 parties that contain the people who are currently considering themselves Democrats. You would have, say, Joe Manchin, Chuck Shumer, and Bernies Sanders in three different parties, but they would all caucus together to form a ruling coalition. It's kind of a distinction without a difference, really, and no real advantages to it. The disadvantage is that it can lead to chaotic scrambles for the more fringe representatives that often lead to stalemate and dysfunction.
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@bluesmax1336 Yes, they did that, the election results they certified were accurate and fair. That had been determined prior to the certification AND double and triple checked after the certification. There were no actual problems in the Arizona election, just a lot of urban legends about mysterious "voter fraud" that turned out to be complete nonsense. This is why Trump's lawyers were sanctioned in court for bringing up such frivolous claims. If there had been any actual substance to them then they could have easily avoided those sanctions. Same for Georgia , Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.
As for Hilary, she conceded on election night, and nobody was ever claiming that the results were not legitimate. Democratic arguments over the next few years were about the role that disinformation played in how people voted in this campaign, and it was eventually learned that the Trump campaign colluded with known Russian assets to help Russian social media farmers plant disinformation in key swing districts that Trump needed to win, so without that collusion, he may not have won. But the Democrats did not dispute the actual results of the election.
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@elcajondavid1 Lol, no. Trump is the old corrupt fool, Biden may be a few years older, but he's a lot less corrupt and foolish than Trump. And yeah, Biden told everyone what he was going to do, and the majority of Americans wanted him to do that, which is why they voted for him, and then he did that stuff. That's how elections work.
And if your argument is "Republicans who don't get their way will cost taxpayers millions in lawsuits, so you better give them what they want," that's not how elections work, that is how extortion works, and I have no patience for it.
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@nickmagrick7702 She's right though. Every human has some natural advantages and disadvantages when it comes to sport. If you take a dozen different people, train them exactly the same from birth, you will get completely different results out of them. Obviously to be a pro athlete you need to work hard, but you also need favorable genetics. Hard work alone won't get you to the top. So in that way, she is totally right, it has never been fair, it has never just been about "who tried hard enough." The winner has always been a balance between "baseline genetic potential" x "amount of time and effort spent developing that potential" x "methods used to do so." If any one of those things falls short, then the athlete would fall short of the peak human potential.
I mean, this much should be obvious just given how record times in objectively measures sports have improved steadily over time, as athletes have become better and better optimized to the task. If sports were "fair," then one would expect all times to have plateaued decades ago, once the basics had been worked out.
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@sonnysmith3244 I think you misunderstand the point of the book if you believe it is intended to teach them, while teenagers, how to hook up with adults. That would be silly. The purpose of that tiny portion of the book was to explain how adults hook up with each other. Also, if you believe that middle schoolers would NEED a book like that to figure out how to hook up with anyone online, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but. . .
The portion I was talking about as "sex ed" was the portion referring to the mechanics of sex acts, which is biology. I will note that "Sex ed" is not a purely biological course, at least it wasn't when I was taking it decades ago. It was also sociological, it was discussing people's feelings, why they might pursue sex, what you should do if you don't want to be pressured, that sort of thing. It's about preparing teens for a world where people will want and expect sex from them, where they might want and expect sex from others, and how to avoid sex that they do not want. It's overall a great idea, and has greatly decreased teen pregnancy and STDs, in the states that take it seriously, at least.
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@Rathkryn No, the jury found that he sexually assaulted her and defamed her for claiming otherwise. There was no settlement to that case, it went to a full verdict. They did not find him liable of rape, because they could not be certain whether he used a finger or his member, given their relative similarity, but this is not a declaration that he was innocent, because this was not a criminal case.
"innocent until proven guilty" does not apply here, as this is not a criminal case either. This is a defamation case, and in the Us we have freedom of speech, which means that you can say anything you want about a person, and the burden of proof is on them to prove that it is definitely false.
The only way that there would be a defacto judgement that the claim was false would be if there had been a criminal case and he'd been found innocent. This has not occurred.
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@rutessian Ok, yes, gold does have practical purposes, but we were discussing it as a currency, and that's sort of the problem. When you use gold for currency, then you aren't doing practical things with it, it's just sitting around doing nothing. The point is, most people are not going to be printing circuits with it or anything, they just want something they can spend to buy groceries with, and in that regard, fiat currencies are better than gold backed ones.
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@oxanasmith6512 Or, perhaps the actual situation was not as bad as Russia presented it to be. You do understand that their goal was to take Ukraine for themselves, why do you assume that they are reliable narrators? The one thing that Russia did not try was to walk away. There are plenty of people in the US of Mexican descent. In many cases, these people have been mistreated. Do you believe Mexico would be justified in using that as a pretext to annex Texas? I am not taking an absolutist view that one side is always bad and the other always good. I am taking the rationalist viewpoint that the evidence indicates that Russia has always taken the worst stance in global politics. They have the potential to be good, they just choose not to be. It is not absolutist to recognize reality for what it is, it would be idealistic, at best, to imagine a world in which they are better than they actually are, and present that as though it were fact. In the reality of the situation, this is entirely Russia's fault, and they cannot achieve any gains as a result of it.
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@oxanasmith6512 Ukraine did not do the things you claimed. Perhaps some people within Ukraine did some of those things, but those people were accountable to Ukrainian law, not to foreign assault. Ukraine is certainly a better country for its Russian people than Russia is to its own people, is that an excuse for people to invade Russia and depose Putin?
As for Russia's security concerns, they are not valid. There is zero chance of any outside country attacking Russia except in self defense or the defense of another nation. So long as Russia does not wage war, there is no chance of war being waged against them. Ukraine being allied with the west in no way changes the military calculus, Russia would be hopeless in any such conflict whether Ukraine is allied with the west or with them. This never had anything to do with security, it only had to do with power and control. They wanted to control and benefit from Ukraine's peacetime state. That choice is not theirs to make, it is Ukraine's. If they want to be allied to Ukraine, they should have done so using gifts, not threats. This is entirely black and white, you just choose the wrong side of it.
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@yvonnewalesuk8035 Yes, a conflict of interest IS exactly that. And this situation included no conflicts of interest, since the two parties interests were never in conflict. What interest would one have that was in conflict with the other? They are both working together to prosecute the same defendants. Again, a "conflict of interests," only occurs when they have different sides in the case.
" A prosecuting attorney arrested for drunk driving leading a case against someone else accused of wrong-doing is okay with you, but that's a dodgy line to tread in legal terms."
Not really. That's not how the law works, "This lawyer is morally imperfect, therefore he has no right to charge me for my crimes" is nothing like how the law works. Lawyers are expected to hold to standards of ethics,. yes, but that is separate from their specific duties toward a particular case. They do not have to be morally superior to the people they are charging, that would just be a nice bonus. Besides which, the people she's prosecuting are guilty of MUCH worse. I mean, her primary defendant cheated on every wife he's ever had, including with his future wives.
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@SC-pe9ir But again, most of the land available for those purposes is either of other value to the city, like public parks, or it is far enough away from the city that homeless people would not use it. Do you think that public parks should be given over to homeless camps? Or should federal lands miles past the suburbs be given over to the homeless, understanding that few if any would actually go there? Everyone has lived somewhere, and no matter where someone lives, they have witnessed the homeless problem not being solved, because there is nowhere on Earth where it has been solved. A lot of things are being tried, some well-meaning, others indifferent, others cruel, but Newsome's have not been worse than most, and certainly not so bad as to undermine his governance in general.
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@It is I Dio! Well, some people like to play a single game 8+ hours a day, every day. Genshin will not be the game for those people. I do not like "grind," I do not like repetition, I like unique content, stuff that you do ONCE and then that's it. Genshin provides more of that content than most other games out there, more than any game, really, so because it does that, I am satisfied. I play it for 6+ hours a day for a few days when new content drops, and I love that. And then once I've cleared all that new content and I'm back to "the normal stuff," I only spend an hour or so per day clearing out commissions and daily resin and that sort of thing, and then I log out and do something else with the rest of my day, and I love that too, because I wouldn't WANT to spend any more time than that doing repetitive content. YMMV.
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@Mellow4202 I totally agree with you that loopholes should be closed that allow corporations and the wealthy to dodge their tax responsibilities. There's a simple answer to that, put more Democrats into office.
That said, income tax is factored into salary overall, so it balances out. It's not like if income tax were abolished then everyone would make the same amount of money and pocket the difference, if not for that expected drain on people's wallets, companies would just pay them less, so effective income would stay flat (eventually, this would obviously take time to balance out).
Again though, whatever amount someone puts into the tax revenues, they make back much more than that in government benefits, whether they recognize that or not. If they put more in, they would make even more back.
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About that "bullet time" thing, it seems to me that they could reduce a lot of the "disconnect" of it by adding a "ghost movement" element to it. Like let's say that in realtime, you can move your arm 12 inches to the right in a second, but in the simulated slo-mo, you can only move your arm 4 inches in that time. Make it so that the "real" virtual arm, the one with substance, only moves those 4 inches, but have a translucent "ghost" virtual arm that moves the full distance in real time. If you then stop in place, then two seconds later the "real" arm would catch up to the "ghost" one. This would both maintain your sense of body-presence, and also show where the virtual arm is trying to go at its own pace. It would also help with that mechanic of "moving with the bullet time," since you could see the difference between the two and better judge the right pace.
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Spotify just needs to play hardball with both customers and record companies. Make clear that the current model is not sustainable, and that it would be WAY too much effort for any competitor to duplicate what Spotify already has, only to fail itself, so everyone just has to agree with some major changes if they want to maintain anything like what they are currently getting. Basically, flip the table.
The model that they need to shift to is to do away with "unlimited streaming of all music" entirely, as well as massive blanket payments to music labels. Instead, while you would be able to listen to any random song a few times without limitation, enough to get a taste of it or to satisfy a curiosity, if you liked it enough that you'd want to listen to it dozens of times, you'll need to pay some sort of fee somewhere. This might be paying a standard purchase price to own that one song forever, or it might be to purchase a plan that allows you to stream any songs by that artists, or it might be a plan that allows you to stream any songs of that genre, or by a particular record label, etc., and then record labels would get a cut of any packages that they are a part of, relative to the value users place on their content (ie, if there is a "pop music" package, and one record label's content is played twice as much as another's, then they would get twice the cut for each person who owns that package).
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@Allenlong69 I don't think anyone is taking such statistics, which is why there is little to no evidence to support the idea that these are hate crimes, and therefore it would be irresponsible to imply that they are.
And targeting any religious institution could be a hate crime, so long as it can be determined that the motive was toward the religion itself, rather than directed at the congregation or structure itself. Not all attacks that take place inside religious structures are motivated by religion.
I also think that there's little value in releasing manifestos or really any personal information about shooters. They want attention, don't give it to them.
In any case, the mentally ill are no more likely to commit acts of violence than anyone else, the issue is not the mentally ill, the issue is access of anyone to firearms, and that is what we need to be working to prevent. Stop the guns, stop the shootings. I think people just want to talk about the mentally ill because they actually want to keep the guns. It's not like other countries have fewer mentally ill people, they just have fewer guns.
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rockn roll There were some cases on the west coast, but the way viruses work is they don't just grow evenly, they spread from points of contact, so the more points of contact, the quicker is spreads. We know based on DNA sampling that the outbreaks on the East Coast came through Europe, so if Europe had never gotten it, or those infected people had never come to America, the US still would have had outbreaks, but the spring ones would mostly have been on the West Coast, and outbreaks in the eastern states would have happened later, and perhaps been more manageable because there would have been more time to prepare for them. I don't blame Europe, a virus is a virus, I just think it's silly to "localize" a pandemic in the first place.
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@LilmissJ111 I think there is danger in anything. I think that the danger posed by controlling misinformation is lower than the danger posed by allowing it to spread.
The thing is, if "the wrong people" are in charge, they can do either that they want, so the argument over which is better is moot. The important factor is to not allow "the wrong people" to get in charge, and then while "the right people" are in charge, act to prevent misinformation from spreading.
I do think that reasonable debate has value, that most speech should be protected, but I think that anything taken to extremes is destructive, including free speech, and that at a certain point in the conversation, you need to close down the debate and concede that any minds not already changed have no intention of being changed and that the battle has already been won by one of the sides.
This is the core problem, a lot of these wars have already been decided by any reasonable measure, but the other side will zombie on forever because they are unwilling to concede under any circumstances.
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@kemradovich2874 First of all, it was a very real crime, second of all, they charged him within months of havign seized the documents, so it was nowhere near statute of limitations, third, it was always a federal crime, fourth, the "judge" is a she, but you're at least right that she has no right to judge, and would never be there if not appointed by an irresponsible president.
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While The Line is ridiculous, if I were designing their public transit, it would use multiple overlaping train lines, rather than just one. There would be an express line that only rockets from one end to the other as fast as they can manage (probably more then 20 minutes), and then another line that stops maybe 5-10 times over the course of the trip, something reasonably long distances in between, and then a third line that stops at every single stop, with multiple trains to avoid long delays.
In practice, if you wanted to travel to someplace a bit inside from the far end, your best bet would be to take the express to the opposite side, then take the medium train to the first stop back, and then take the local to the next stop in, which would be much faster than any line that hits every stop.
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@nicholasschrader7179 Based on the evidence, it does not appear to be engineered. IF it first infected humans in the virology lab, that would be an unfortunate accident, but not a crime. The US also had virology labs, these are important things to have because they are what lead to cures, like the Covid vaccine. You research various viruses that humans might encounter so that we understand how they function and how to stop them. We want China to be doing this work, just as we want ourselves to be doing this work and there is nothing sinister about that.
If the investigations indicate that the initial outbreak was in the lab rather than in the wet market, then that is a tragic accident, but one that likely would have occurred naturally eventually, since the virus did exist in the environment. If the Chinese government deliberately covered this up, then they would deserve criticism, but it really wouldn't have changed outcomes in any way.
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@Jeremy-eu9em Well that was my question, because you said that liberals "can't think for themselves" and believe in things "based in his manufactured truth rather than objective fact," but that is conservatives you're talking about, not liberals.
Liberals tend to be much more informed about current events, history, and science than conservatives, conservatives are much more likely to believe in "manufactured realities" such as Q Anon, "stop the steal," "climate change doesn't exist," etc., and tend to be very dismissive of objective facts when it does not fit their narrative. Conservatives tend to be spoonfed lies by networks such as Fox News or OAN, rather than doing any research themselves from credible sources. They are sheep, or they would not be conservatives.
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@tracybarhite1764 Look at a chart of things like unemployment rate, GDP, etc. over the past decade. They just follow a straight line from the 2008 crash through to the present. They didn't "hit those milestones" under Obama because the milestones are the highest point things get, so of course the longer the trend continues, the higher a point you will reach. It's like if someone jogs 1 mile in ten minutes, and then jogs another mile in the next ten minutes, you don't should "That guy is amazing, he reached two miles in the last ten minutes!"
All Trump did was not screw up the trends that were already in place. For him to take any real credit, the metrics would have had to shoot up considerably on his watch, they did not. They just continued as they were already going.
I never loved Hilary Clinton, but there was never a time in which Trump was a better choice. Whatever negatives Hilary may have had, Trumps were far worse.
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@tracybarhite1764 I just know for a fact that whoever they are, they will be better than the Republican candidate, unless the Republican party changes completely over the next three years. A ham sandwich would make for a less harmful president than an acolyte of MAGA.
Look, if your position was that you were a registered Republican, you'd voted party line Republican your entire life, but you voted blue in 2016, or at least 2020 because you knew it was important that Donald Trump not be president, that would be commendable, that would be putting country over party. Millions did, some of them my friends.
But you are telling me that you consider yourself in some ways a Democrat, and yet you voted for the worst possible candidate, not just to represent any value that a Democrat could rationally hold, but just in general for the sake of humanity, and you seem proud of this choice. I cannot understand that level of nonsense.
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@tracybarhite1764 It sounds like perhaps you get your information on the world from untrustworthy sources, because you hint at a number of wild conspiracy theories in there, but the simple fact is that Biden has worked for America's interests his entire life. He has supported policies in the past that have outlived their use, but that were wildly popular at the time he supported them, and did some good at the time when they were put into place. Now, he supports policies that are wildly popular with Americans, and are supported by large majorities, even if not in the Senate. Whatever Biden does or does not accomplish, it is impossible for him to do a worse job than Trump did over the last four years, or what Trump would have done over the next four. There is no rational argument for supporting Donald Trump in 2016 or 2020 (or, God help us, in the future).
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@tracybarhite1764 You seem to have grossly misunderstood the Constitution. It says "no state should be formed within the jurisdiction of any other state or junction of two states, without the consent of the legislatures of those states as well as of the congress. So there is no problem there with DC statehood. Not only is DC not a part of Maryland or Virginia, and therefore would not even trigger any of this, but even if it were, it would only need the approval of their legislatures, which it would likely get.
As for the electoral college, I don't believe that congress can pass a law (short of an amendment) that would abolish the electoral college, but they could pass laws (or state laws) that would make it functionally irrelevant, such as directing the EC to vote the way that the popular vote goes. Overall this would be an improvement, so as long as they do it in a way that meets a strict legal standard, I'm on board.
If Trump did not want to pack the court, he could have re-appointed Garland and allowed him to be confirmed. He did not, which led to a significant imbalance on the court that must be corrected. Do you not agree that the current court is unsustainably activist in nature?
As for if Republicans come back into power, they have already shown that they will grab whatever power they are able to. McConnell even tried to prevent Democrats taking power in January until he got certain concessions. If the Democrats fail to make the best use of the next year and a half, then that will not mean that Republicans will be super nice if they take back the Senate, it will just mean that they will accomplish less for the American people. If and when the Republicans retake the government, they will not hesitate to grab whatever power they can, regardless of what the Democrats do. The simple fact is that Republicans are making every effort they can to enforce a minority government, a government in which even where the majority of people vote for Democrats, Republicans retain the majority of representation. All Americans need to fight against this at all levels, or there will be no democracy left.
I ask you again, you have claimed that you are a registered Democrat, that you support Democratic principles, which ones? Nothing else that you've said supports the idea that you believe in anything democratic or Democratic at all.
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@tracybarhite1764 So you don't actually understand the Constitution, but your diet of fake news has told you that DC statehood is a problem, and you don't know why, so you'd like to to research for you why you feel that way. Makes sense. Part of the problem you're having might be in referring the the "Republican Policy Committee" as an "unbiased article on the matter."
I also don't think you understand how democracy works. It's meant to be a vote by the people, and the majority of the people decide what happens. This is true whether they are in a "big city" or outside of them. People should not have more votes because there's more empty land around them, or have less votes because more people live near them. Each vote should be counted equally. The vote of someone outside a city should could no more than a person down town, but nor should it count any less. That is voting being fair for everyone, not situations in which one person wins the popular vote by over a million votes, while the other person wins the electoral college, and the entire country has to suffer under them for 4 years.
When the Constitution was written, women weren't allowed to vote at all. I bet you support that too.
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@tracybarhite1764 "States" shouldn't have ANY voting power in who gets to be president. PEOPLE should have that power, and the vote of a PERSON in a large state should not count for less than a PERSON in a "battleground state." More people voted for Biden in Texas than voted for him in New York, and yet none of those Texans votes actually mattered, because slightly more Texans voted for Trump, so ALL of Texas's votes went to him (luckily Texas wasn't necessary).
The Electoral College does not exist because it's the best way to do things, it exists as a compromise because when the Constitution was written, we'd just broken away form England, and each state had the potential to just break away as an independent country. The only way to hold them together was to ensure state leadership that they would retain a lot of that same power, it was all about their power. That doesn't mean that's what's best for us today.
Large cities should have no power in deciding who is president.
States should have no power in deciding who's President.
Only the PEOPLE should decide that.
" In the majority of elections the Electoral College works. "
That doesn't mean it is working well. In two of the last ten Presidential elections, the winner of the electoral college was different than the winner of the popular vote. An 80% success rate is NOT a good thing when you're talking about the leader of the free world for the next four years, especially given how catastrophic both of those presidencies turned out. I mean, imagine an America that hadn't suffered from the Iraq war or mass covid deaths in 2020. It's even possible that a different president could have avoided 9/11 and the 2008 economic collapse entirely!
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@tracybarhite1764 My point was that the systems the Constitution set up, all of them, were designed to give State Governments more sovereignty and power within the federal government than would be ideal for the government and people as a whole, because those states did not want to give up power that they already had going on. My point is that the system could have been a lot better than it was, it was not somehow a perfect system at the time of its creation.
The electoral college is not the popular vote, "the popular vote within a state" is not a thing, because state lines are just a random abstraction. I'm not sure where you are confused on that. I mean, say you have two neighboring states with equal populations, one north, and one south, and let's say that 56% of one state votes for Candidate A, and 44% for B, and 54% of the other state votes for B and 46% for A. In that case, you'd get an equal number of Electoral Votes for each candidate, even though in total, 2% more people voted for A than for B. If those states were split East and West rather than North and South, then the Electoral results might have gone in a completely different way, using the same votes!
It is the votes of the HUMANS that should matter, the state those humans live in should be completely irrelevant.
The electoral college is at best an abstraction of the popular vote that is in many cases inaccurate. There is no argument that makes the electoral college in any way as good for Americans or democracy as just using the popular vote itself.
Maybe the electoral college used to work, but given how badly it's mess up the 21st Century, maybe things have changed to make it a less reliable system. Why not remove it?
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@tracybarhite1764 If you thought your point addressed mine, then you did not understand it. My point was not that I was sad about "Texas," or "New York," but that I was sad for VOTERS in Texas that the Electoral College robbed their votes of any meaning because they ever "overruled" by other Texas voters, even though their votes should be relevant to the overall outcome. If a voter votes for Biden or Trump, it should be completely irrelevant how many other people in their state made that same vote, the ONLY thing that should matter is how many total people in the country vote for each candidate.
"My point was that you are for the popular vote nationally, but not across a state ie.Texas. "
YES. Because "the popular vote of who should be president of the country, says Texas" is not a thing that should matter. The only thing "the popular vote of Texas" should matter for is state level contests like governor and senator. For President, "the popular vote of Texas" should be irrelevant, it should be "Steve from Texas" and "Mary from Texas" compared against "Sally from Wisconsin" and "George from Pennsylvania," and all of their votes having equal sway on the outcome.
"You are still confused about how the Electoral College works. The Electoral College doesn't work off a percentage so I'm not really sure where you were going with your state A and B analogy. "
You don't seem to understand how the EC works. Most states are winner-take-all. That means that if one candidate wins a state by a tiny margin, they get 100% of the EC votes allocated to that state. So if a state has 10 EC votes, and one candidate wins that state by 2% of the state vote, he gets 100% of the EC votes. Even in the few states that have proportional splits, if a person won by 2% of the vote, he would still get 6/10 EC votes and his opponent only 4/10, gaining the equivalent of a 20% margin instead of a 2% one.
This distorts the outcome and is undemocratic.
"If we were too elect by popular vote the 4 most populated states are California, Texas, Florida, and New York. "
If we were to elect by the popular vote, the four most populous states would be IRRELEVANT. It would not matter how many more people lived in this or that state. If you lived in Wyoming and someone else lived in California, it WOULD NOT MATTER. You would get ONE vote, they would get ONE vote, you add up all the votes, the one that gets the most votes win, regardless of states. This should be obvious.
"The Electoral College isn't perfect, but the Founding Father's didn't want to have elections by popular vote because they wanted to prevent mob rule. "
The Founding Fathers lived in a time when most people couldn't even read. They didn't trust the general population, and electors weren't even chosen by the people until much later. The popular vote was basically just a straw poll that they could ignore. That doesn't make it a GOOD system, it's the system they had because it worked for their interests. It no longer does. If you believe that YOU deserve a vote, then you should be willing to agree that EVERYONE'S votes should count equally to it.
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@tracybarhite1764 Population differences shouldn't be relevant. Each person's vote should count equally regardless of how many other people live nearby. If more people move into your neighborhood, they shouldn't be able to just divvy up shares of your vote. If you live in California or you live in Wyoming, you should get exactly one vote, 100% equal to any other person's vote. Who do YOU believe deserves less of a vote than you do?
"but the major cities and states with the most population would elect the president while the smaller cities and less populated states would be out numbered. "
No.
That does not make any sense.
It would not be "larger cities" that would vote for the winner, it would be the largest NUMBER OF PEOPLE who would vote for the winner, REGARDLESS of whether those people lived in large cities or in small cities or in less populated areas, and there is no sane argument for why anything else should be the case.
What is your obsession with "big cities?"
Is it because they might vote differently than you would, and you believe that your vote should count more than theirs, and that you should get your way even if more people disagree with you? Well I'm sorry, but that is not how a democracy, not even a functional democratic Republic, would behave. That is autocracy, and we should never aspire to that.
"The majority of the elections here the candidate who wins the Electoral College also has the popular vote. "
And yet in both the 2000 and 2016 elections that was not the case, and America suffered disastrous results over the following four years as a result. There has been no case in which the electoral college results were different than the popular vote and it improved things.
"PS you don't need to repeat everything back to me, I'm well aware of my comments. "
You seem to sometimes forget them, and I want to make clear to you which points I am responding to at the time. IF you say something that is patently false, my response is pointing out why that specific point you made is patently false.
"Also this debate really isn't going anywhere. You've stated your point and I've stated mine. We are never going to agree."
Probably, because I am an American, and you want autocracy.
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@derpydino1915 Not all people who get pregnant had consensual sex. That ten year old girl in Ohio certainly didn't. Many states that now ban abortions do not have any exceptions for rape, nor plans to add any, and even if they did those would still be practical bans, since access to abortion services would tend to be impractical if it ONLY applied in cases where they could prove they were raped. Doctors that performed such abortions and women that seek them out would constantly be harassed over it.
And plenty of women that get pregnant did take reasonable steps to avoid pregnancy, like taking the pill, or using condoms, but these are not 100% effective. There are practically no women that routinely get abortions, outside of satirical comedians.
But at the end of the day, none of that matters, because a woman can be as promiscuous as she wants, and it is still not anyone's right to tell her that she has no option but to carry a fetus to term. You can disapprove of her lifestyle all you like, that never grants you ownership over her. Again, it's fair to reasonably criticize behavior you consider "irresponsible," but at no point should you be able to prevent a woman from getting an abortion well before any viability period.
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@derpydino1915 1. And I pointed out why you seem to think you're saying the right things on this issue, but are clearly out of touch with the reality of the situation. What does "if they were raped, they should be able to get an abortion" mean? In a magical fantasy world, it would mean exactly that, that every woman who is raped would be able to get an abortion, no worries, but we don't live in a fantasy world.
In the real world, several states outright ban abortions even in cases of rape. Even if they correct that eventually, or we are talking about states that currently have rape exemptions, it would still end up being impractical, since aggressive anti-abortion law enforcement would be constantly targeting these women and the doctors that treat them on the grounds that "maybe they weren't raped, maybe they're trying to trick us," and it would CERTAINLY lead to a great deal of drama for both, to the point that operating a facility that offers abortions in the state would be unworkable. Plenty of states have been working toward EXACTLY that "dream" for decades now, up to this point trying to work around Roe to do so, but now completely unshackled.
Again, the point is that women should not have to be raped to be able to seek an abortion if that is what they choose to do. Your decisions should have no impact on their ability to make that choice and see it through.
2. Again, pills and condoms are effective, but it still leads to tens of thousands of unintended pregnancies each year. Yes, some of them they decide to keep the baby, but sometimes they do not, and that is their choice. No, your apparent scorn for their sexual behavior never justifies preventing them from getting an abortion if that is their decision.
3. Getting an abortion is also a form of "taking responsibility for their actions." It is not the choice you would apparently make if you got pregnant (although really I kind of doubt that), but you do not get to make the choice for them. You can disapprove, that's fine, but not prevent them.
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@MatthewNGolding Ok, first, my analogy stands, a dog is not a bear just because you find it scary, and a migrant is not an invader just because you find them scary. They are separate things.
Second, they may well be entering other countries illegally, that is up to those other countries to decide. They have no obligation to do what Americans want them to be doing, unless you intend to pay them.
I don't see how any rational person could consider nuclear war a more acceptable outcome than "people who speak Spanish live here now!"
And, again, we have more than enough capacity to include all of these people into our country, they are only a short term issue because decades of foot dragging by Republicans have led to a border court system incapable of processing them quickly enough, so they become burdens on the state until their cases are heard. Once they are fully admitted as residents, it's their own responsibility to find jobs and earn their own way, and they have no problem doing so, ADDING to the US economy. If you believe that migrants are a concern, then I'm sure you supported the bipartisan Senate plan to solve these problems, right?
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@bryanthanos I wouldn't need to explain it to the judge, judges are smart enough to understand that without needing their hands held. Think of it like this, say you live in a state in which every school gym has a set of 3ft high stairs, and that's the only way into the building. Now, you feel like discriminating against people in wheelchairs, but obviously you wouldn't make a bill that says "people in wheelchairs can't vote," that would be discriminatory! But what if you wrote a bill that said "all elections must take place within school gyms," knowing that this means people in wheelchairs would have great difficulty entering the building?
It would have the effect you wanted to achieve, but at no point does it actually even mention the people you are trying to discriminate against. That is what the Georgia law does, it does not say "and this is to make it less likely that a black person will vote," but it does make it less likely that black people will vote, by instituting policies that make it harder to do the things that black people more often do when voting. This was explained in the video above, and any judge will understand this to be the case.
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@bryanthanos Again, you need to watch the video, they go through how this bill impacts black voters in Georgia more than it does white voters, as a matter of practical impact. Judges are smart enough to understand that. Poll taxes did not say "and so black people can't vote," they just made it less likely that black people could vote, because black people were less likely to be able to pay them. The new Georgia laws are designed on the same principle, find out how black people tend to vote, and then make those things arbitrarily harder to do. You do not have to understand this, it remains true whether you understand or not. The facts don't care about your feelings.
It is also fair to point out that it wasn't Democrats who claimed that the 2020 election was the safest and fairest in US history, it was Republicans who claimed that, because it was true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs
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@rhiannonbittle1454 There are fragments of parts of what are in the bible that have random phrases that if you really want to you could use to describe empires that are rulling today, but you could say the same thing about Harry Potter predicting the rise of Donald Trump. they did not "write what is happening now," they wrote things that could apply equally to every time and place. the same passages you might point to and say "see, that's talking about America!", scholars 100, 500, 1000, 2000 years ago were saying "see, that's talking about England, the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Republic, etc." In 500 years time scholars will point to those same lines and declare with absolute certainty that they are talking about the Empire of Mars.
That's the nice thing about vague wording.
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@dialechim4368 Maybe you could tell me why it would be terrible for the government to have exclusive legal use of force. That's one of the primary functions of a government, to employ force only as the society determines it should be used.
Some criminals could still obtain guns, but as we know from the examples of other first world countries, gun bans do work, if guns are illegal, it is much harder for criminals to obtain guns, FAR fewer criminals have them, and those guns that are used in crimes are much more often "criminal vs criminal," rather than the murder of innocents. I mean, in pretty much every mass shooting case, the shooter obtained their weapons legally, or got them off of someone who had, so if you removed that legal access to guns, the "casual criminals" would have a much harder time finding a black market source for them.
And people do sometimes shoot police stations and military bases, like the Fort Hood shooting, but the issue is that it's impossible to adequately protect EVERY location. We know for a fact that removing the guns would massively reduce the amount of shootings. There are some idiots out there who say that the solution to the problem is somehow "more guns," and yet the US already has way more guns than any other country, and yet also has four times as many murders, so clearly the evidence points to the opposite. If "more guns" were the answer, then the US would already have a murder rate that was less than half of any other first world country, rather than four times higher.
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@JohnDoe-ew3xt 1. Yes, murders decreased dramatically since the passage of the 1994 assault weapons ban. They have been increasing dramatically ever since that law was allowed to lapse. Obviously, these are complex issues, and you can never 1:1 tie broad outcomes to any specific changes to the law, but the overall trend is that removing legal guns from the streets correlates to reduced murders, and allowing more guns correlates to increased murders. I mean, you have to squint REALLY hard to try and imagine a picture in which "more guns" turns out to be better than "less guns."
2. Ok, you do you. Personally, if someone is doing something right and it leads to better results, I think I'd have to be pretty damned ignorant to say "no thanks to that, I'm doing it my way instead!" Don't do something because another country is doing it, do it because it's the right damned thing to do.
3. Well like I said, "ideally." Changing the constitution is very difficult, and therefore unlikely, but I think we can agree that we would at least be better off for it. So short of that, we should do whatever we CAN do to reduce the guns on the streets, right?
And as to your final question, yes, at the time it was written the US had no standing national army, so in case of foreign invasion, the average citizen needed to be prepared to join up in national defense. That's why the 2nd amendment makes clear from the very start, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," It was never meant to apply outside that context, and largely became irrelevant once the US shifted toward a more professional army.
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@JohnDoe-ew3xt Personally, I think 30 years for possessing a firearm is a bit much, but they should at least be able to confiscate it and have a penalty harsh enough that good people would not do it. A short prison sentence should be plenty, at least for a first offense.
And sure, in a perfect world without criminals, everyone could have guns and it would be fine, but it's easier to solve the gun problem than the people problem. I mean, all those other countries have just as many "bad people" at the US does, but those people can cause less HARM because they lack the tools to do so. Getting the hardware off the streets is something that can actually be DONE. Saying that "we should just prevent all criminals" is just an excuse to NOT do anything productive.
As to the Constitution, you do realize that the Bill of Rights WAS a "change to the Constitution," right? Changing the Constitution was an important part of the process. It's just become impractical to do these days because there are too many stupid people.
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@JohnDoe-ew3xt Why do you say that I "like the criminals, but hate the hardware?" I'm in favor of reasonable penalties for committing a crime, but unreasonable penalties don't lead to a decrease in crime. The US already imprisons more people than any nation on Earth, if harsher prison times were the solution, then we would not have four times more murders than other first world countries.
The point is to get the guns off the streets, that is what would stop this violence. Most mass shooters never had a previous offense, so harsh penalties for gun possession would do nothing to take them off the streets.
And I answered your question about the 2nd amendment, it was created because at the time the US did not have a standing army, so they needed citizens to be prepare for national defense. This became redundant by the 20th Century, similar to the 3rd amendment.
And the reason the Bill of Rights was added was because they realized at the time that the base Constitution was not sufficient and needed additional elements. It has been added to and removed from many times over the years, but the rules were written at a time when there were only 13 states and far fewer people, and it's since become practically impossible to get any new changes made to it. The equal rights amendment was passed by congress in 1972, and yet is still not ratified because it fell a few states short of full ratification. There are just too many stupid people.
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@CH-wm6wo I agree that two different people can arrive at different conclusions, but that does not mean that both conclusions are equally valid. In many cases, one, or even both of them can be wrong. You assert that California made their diesel ban in "bad faith," I disagree. We might not understand their intentions the same way though. To me, I believe their intention is to give all players involved the incentive to get moving on this, quicker than they might with no direction from the state at all.
I feel that this will encourage truck manufacturers to move faster in developing and iterating on electric trucks, to meet what they can expect to be highly increased demand over the 2030s. I feel that this will encourage infrastructure to ensure that California can provide the necessary power, knowing that there will be a market waiting for it, and for charging stations to be built, knowing that customers will come for it. I feel that all of this will make it more likely that California will have majority EV trucks on their road by 2050, if not sooner, than they would have without this step.
Now if, in the case that innovation does not meet up to expectations, and by the early 2030s California is nowhere near ready to move away from diesel trucking, then I'm sure the plans would be adjusted via new legislation, as is often the case. But it's still a good idea to set that target and stick to it as best they can manage.
And I'm sorry if I misunderstood your point, but please read back through your prior statements, they were all vague "You got something wrong" comments, without any specific points being made, so I could only guess at what your actual intentions might be. If you want people to take your arguments in good faith, then you first need to actually mack an argument that can support itself. Do not make vague posts and then blame the other person for not understanding your position.
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@CH-wm6wo Appointed members of government are appointed by elected members of government. This obviously has some level of democratic inefficiency to it, as you have appointed members that do not reflect modern values, like the current US Supreme Court, but they are at least ultimately the result of the votes people have cast. I see no reason to believe that the current make-up of the California Air Resources Board would be vastly different than what the people of California would elect into that role, if given the opportunity.
As for Lithium's sustainability, these are good questions, but not rhetorical ones, we have answers to those. The lithium in batteries is 100% recyclable. It is entirely sustainable, at least in the near term. There are already companies in place that collect spent lithium batteries and are in the process of recycling them. Recycled lithium is currently more expensive than "fresh" lithium, but that too will shift once the easier sources of fresh lithium become less available, and once recycling methods scale up. We might reach some point at which we won't have as much lithium as we'd want to do everything we want with it, but we would never run out of it, and any concerns around that would be much further off than the demise of all fossil fuels.
Not to mention that lithium is not the only way to make a battery, and new formulas are being invented all the time.
As to national security, there are no concerns there. Yes, some of those materials come from unstable regions, but the same is true of oil and gas, and there are lithium mines in the US that are currently being scaled up. Currently a lot of processing is done in China, since that makes the most economic sense right now, but if there were ever national security reasons to pull out of China entirely, they could be processed elsewhere. Also, modern lithium batteries are moving more and more away from cobalt as a component.
You are right that some modern techs do not involve mandates to encourage their development, but that doesn't mean that such mandates are not sometimes of benefit. Sure, we could continue to burn fossil fuels until they ran out, but that would cost the taxpayers trillions of dollars to mitigate the damage it would cause. It's much cheaper and more effective to get off that train before it crashes into a wall, right?
These questions have ALL been thoroughly discussed among good faith participants, and conclusions have been reached. These are the results of that conclusion. The only "discussions" that remain are with bad faith actors who refuse to be convinced on any answer but their own. You cannot have good faith discussions with the "turtles, all the way down" crowd, and attempting to do so is a waste of time.
Forgive me saying so, but it's flatly idiotic to claim that the mandates are about perpetuation of government. I can think of no more "bad faith" an argument than that from anyone simultaneously claiming to not be of simple mind. If all a government wanted was power, then they would propose simple, populist solutions to problems, not inconvenient ones. They would promise that everything you want to believe is true, that everything you want to have, you deserve to have, and it's the mean immigrants keeping them from you. Nothing about this diesel truck proposal has anything to do with "perpetuation of government," because while it is the right thing to do, it will only harm the approval of government more than it secures it. That's why we elect government though, to do what needs to be done, not what is most popular. If popularity was all that was important, then a direct democracy would serve better than a republic, but the founders chose against that.
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@CH-wm6wo The Supreme Court isn't supposed to make policy, but for the past decade or so, they have in actual fact made a lot of policy changes. More than the legislature, really. But that's neither here nor there. If you're speaking against appointed jobs in total, well, the founders considered many such roles important, they would not see a problem with how they are used today. Besides which, this is a state board, which is outside federal control. And like I said, even if that board's members were elected by the citizens of the state, they would probably arrive at the same conclusions, because those are conclusions the state broadly supports.
And of course the government isn't getting smaller, the size of the population has grown much larger, and the responsibilities of government have gotten so much larger. I mean, people complain about "the border" all the time, and it's obvious what the issue there is, there are too few appointed immigration judges to handle the amount of migrants coming to the border in a timely manner, so they just pile up, awaiting their hearing dates, rather than entering the natural economy and becoming productive Americans. We need much bigger government, not "smaller."
It's also important to recognize that the free market is NEVER in the people's interests. The free market is in the best interests of those relative few at the TOP of it, for example the fossil fuel lobbies that promote the benefits of those products and pay people to put negative spins on pro-environmental stories on social media. Government is the only hedge the people have against big businesses. I mean, don't get me wrong, there is a children's fairytale that "the customers" control the market and if they want or don't want something that businesses will bend to their whims, but I assume we're both too old to buy into that sort of nonsense, right?
And no, a "good faith actors" is not someone who "agrees with my conclusion," a good faith actor is one who does not present a nakedly idiotic position as if it is reasonable. There are plenty of people in this world who I disagree with on issues big or small, but I can respect their positions, because they are grounded in reality, or in reasonable differences of opinion. But there is no rational argument to be made that the California Air Resources Board passed a change like this as, what, some sort of arbitrary exercise of power, just to say they did it? Of course not, again, one would have to be EITHER a complete imbecile OR a liar to make such a statement, there is no third possibility there. You can disagree with their decision that it is good policy, but there is no reason why they would make such a decision other than that they believe it is important to reduce the use of diesel trucks as quickly as can reasonably be achieved, and that they believe that this action will lead to that outcome. Trying to gin up any other reason for it is nothing but "dogma."
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@danielzhang1916 Education and healthcare are much much more important than "jobs," because working online is a legitimate option these days. Plenty of washed-up communities have made deliberate efforts to court telecommuters. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of people have been moving out of cities over the past few years, because they can get "city" jobs while living on a nice multi-acre lot and three bedroom house, rather than in a studio apartment. There's nothing objectively bad about rural or city in and of itself, but it's nice that people have that choice.
Also, most factory work these days is skilled labor, it requires decent education and health care to function. It's impossible to make cheap junk in US factories and turn a profit, the only manufacturing that can work in America is high end, quality manufacturing, which requires quality employees.
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Raizen21S Who is telling law enforcement to arrest people for getting together with their families? Where is your source on that?
And read the article I posted. Yes, A1 does say that you have the right to peacefully assemble, but there are still limitations on that right already. For example, you have the right to free speech, but not the right to shout "fire" in a crowded theater, or to make death threats, or to lie about people. The right to peacefully assemble can be restricted when those assemblies pose a threat to those attending or those around them. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court.
And IF an authoritarian (like Trump) were to abuse this privilege to restrict our rights in a way that wasn't justified, then it would make absolute sense to rebel against that abuse of authority, but having a national lockdown DURING A PANDEMIC is no abuse of authority, it is the President using his authority as it was intended, to protect the national welfare.
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@ttemp2631 The way I see this, it should be a global thing, it should be a treaty that hundreds of countries all sign on to, to guarantee water rights around the world. It might be part of a larger package that include other rights that China would care about, or it could be a thing where various other countries nudge China into signing onto this because they get something completely unrelated they want. I could not tell you what that would be, I just know that every country has their levers, and people who follow china much closer than me know which would be best in this situation. I'm not saying that they could definitely get China on board, I just don't see how it would be impossible. They value their autonomy over the upper Mekong, but they also value a lot of other things, both things they have that could be taken, or things they don't have that they want, big and small, and there would be a deal to be made here. I just see water rights as a major issue coming into the back 3/4 of the Century, and it would be a really good thing to get everyone on the same page.
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@ttemp2631 Yes, but nobody can GET their own interests if we accept that everyone is chasing their own interests, because EVERY interests that benefits one side also harms the other. If nobody would ever agree to a position that was not in their own interests, then nobody would ever agree to anything. So that's why you need to line things up on each side of the balance sheet so that they are good for both parties.
I want an apple. The store does not want to give me an apple, because then they would have less apples! Why would they ever give me an apple? The store wants my money. I don't want to give them my money, I want to keep my money, why would I ever agree to just give a store MY money?! But. . . if I agree to give them some of my money, and they agree to give me their apple, then I would have an apple and they would have my money, and we would both be satisfied with that arrangement!
So this is how all diplomacy works, "here is what I want, even knowing that you don't want to give me that thing, but what DO you want that I could give you so that you would agree to give me something that you don't want to?"
China clearly would prefer not to give up sovereignty over the upper Mekong, no doubt. Nobody has yet made them an offer that they would accept yet, or they would have accepted it, no doubt. But there are clearly things that China wants, and if someone offered China one of those things in exchange, they might sign on. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it would never happen in the future.
What are you not getting?
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@blksbth1 "No...and that you would actually be led to think that way speaks volumes. "
Ok, so then I guess that would be the disconnect. It's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with someone who refuses to accept the world around him. Step one is learning why you were wrong here, and then you can move on to other topics.
"You REALLY think a bunch of unarmed, angry protestors - accounting for less than half of those that entered the building, the rest having protested peacefully - could have pulled off what you just said?"
Yes, but perhaps not in the way you imagine. I do NOT think that they could have used armed force to "overthrow" anything, and that was never the point of it. The point of it was to inject enough chaos into the proceedings that the certification could be delayed or even prevented, and that they could arrange to force a House vote instead of certifying the election results. This would likely have led to the House electing Donald Trump, and while there would of course be legal challenges, but with the current SCOTUS who knows how that would have turned out, and it would at the very least be a mess.
This was the plan, it failed, but it was what those at the top WANTED to happen. Obviously not all of the protesters were in on those details, they were just a distraction. An insurrection does not need to involve any sort of violence, and it certainly does not need to have a credible chance at success, it only requires an attempt to overthrow the legitimate government, which is what was happening.
It is also worth noting that many of the protesters were willing and able to use violence on that day, so while there is no chance of them actually "overthrowing" anything, they very easily could have killed members of congress had they managed to encounter any (again, not all of the protesters, but some within the group).
This is all a matter of public record by this point, and learning these things is your own responsibility.
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@blksbth1 Let me try to provide you an example, to help you understand. Say someone wanted to rob a bank, and they were very popular, so they got a hundred people out in the streets near the bank one day, and he says "That money in that bank is yours, and we're going to get it from them, but go peacefully!" and they march on that bank. And most, but not all the crowd is unarmed, and yes, they rough up the guards a bit, but nobody dies, and they don't get any of the money. Was that a clever attempt at a bank robbery? No. But it was still an attempt at a bank robbery.
But then let's also say that at the same time this was going on, several friends of the ringleader who worked in that bank attempted to do a wire transfer of funds into their own accounts, something that they would likely get caught doing if the bank had been running smoothly, but that they might get away with in the chaos of the action outside. This was the real plan to get that money out of the bank, and it is more clever, but no less criminal. And the people outside are still accomplices to that act, even if they were not aware of the complete plan at the time.
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@blksbth1 Let me try to provide you an example, to help you understand. Say someone wanted to rob a bank, and they were very popular, so they got a hundred people out in the streets near the bank one day, and he says "That money in that bank is yours, and we're going to get it from them, but go peacefully!" and they march on that bank. And most, but not all the crowd is unarmed, and yes, they rough up the guards a bit, but nobody dies, and they don't get any of the money. Was that a clever attempt at a bank robbery? No. But it was still an attempt at a bank robbery.
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@blksbth1 Let me try to provide you an example, to help you understand. Say someone wanted to rob a bank, and they were very popular, so they got a hundred people out in the streets near the bank one day, and he says "That money in that bank is yours, and we're going to get it from them, but go in peace!" and they march on that bank. And most, but not all the crowd is unarmed, and yes, they rough up the guards a bit, but nobody dies, and they don't get any of the money. Was that a clever attempt at a bank robbery? No. But it was still an attempt at a bank robbery.
But then let's also say that at the same time this was going on, several friends of the ringleader who worked in that bank attempted to do a wire transfer of funds into their own accounts, something that they would likely get caught doing if the bank had been running smoothly, but that they might get away with in the chaos of the action outside. This was the real plan to get that money out of the bank, and it is more clever, but no less criminal. And the people outside are still accomplices to that act, even if they were not aware of the complete plan at the time.
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@blksbth1 I know, it's sad how much effort it can take to explain what should be a VERY simple point, but this is the world we live in, and sometimes "explain it like I've five" is being too generous.
To your other points, whatever events took place in the 70s and 80s, that was a long time ago, by people who are no longer a factor in the current Democratic party. Comparing an event that took place four years ago, involving politicians still in office and/or running for office today, to events many decades ago, is sort of missing the point. Compare the two parties today, not over several decades.
As to your final point, several people involved in the attack were charged with seditious conspiracy, which is one of the criminal charges related to insurrection. As to why that specific charge has not yet been applied to Trump, they might be waiting to see how the other cases pan out first. The federal election interference case is working along those same lines, just at a lower tier, akin to "manslaughter" instead of "murder."
These are big, complicated issues we're talking about, and they do not want to be reckless about it. That's why it took years to charge something that would have happened in 2021 to any other person.
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@blksbth1 "You can present your argument to me a zillion different ways, I simply disagree and have ironclad arguments that support my positions. "
No, I get it. If conservatives weren't impervious to reality, then they wouldn't be conservatives. Feelings over facts, I understand. But that doesn't stop me from at least trying.
And no, you do not have a better understanding, you have just successfully confirmed your biases. That is something very different. Really a lot of this stems back to the creation of Faux News, which was one of the first networks to say "it's ok, it's ok, yes, a lot of the things you want to be true, simply aren't, but we'll tell you that you are, so you can point to us and say 'see, I WAS right!'" And then dozens of copycats big and small picked up their lead.
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@edwardmitchellrealty4327 That may be your belief, but it is irrelevant, because it is not true. If you want to guide your own life by that belief, then that is your business, but you have no right to impose that onto anyone else.
It's also VERY important for you to recognize that the increased risk of self harm does NOT and has NEVER come from a child accepting their trans identity, it comes from them being conflicted about it and feeling rejected because of it. If a child is trans, and you try to bully them into being "normal" instead, that will NEVER reduce their risk of self harm, it only makes it much, much higher. A trans child who has even one supportive parent is 40% less likely to harm themselves.
And yes, gender dysphoria is a condition in the DSM, but not all trans people have gender dysphoria. The "dysphoria" aspect is that they are troubled by their trans identity, that it is causing them stress. If they reach a point of acceptance of their identity and are happy with who they are, then they no longer have gender dysphoria, even if they remain trans. What "changed" was more research into the topic leading to better understanding of it. At one point, medical science thought that leeches were good treatments, that does not mean you can point to outdated medical guides and go "see! They get it!"
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@davidking4779 The Republican laws are not about suppressing illegal voting, they are about suppressing legal voting, because in the last election Americans legally voted to remove the Republican presidential candidate and they did not like that. The new rules are designed to reduce voting in traditionally Democratic parts of states, and to allow Republican officials in states to overturn election results that displease them.
Illegal voting is not a problem in the US, it never has been. The conservative Heritage Foundation tracks voter fraud in the US and over the past twenty years had been able to find almost none, certainly not enough to change the results of any election. There will always be some people who want to commit crimes, but at a certain point, the attempts to prevent a crime cause more harm than the crime itself. Like you could prevent theft by preemptively jailing ALL citizens, but would that be worth it?
As I said, if there is practically no voter fraud already, would reducing that to zero be worth it if it means that ten or a hundred or a thousand times as many perfectly legal voters find themselves unable to exercise that right due to the new restrictions on how and when they are able to do so?
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@Maverickgouda Well, I mean my theory is that if the fraking method is an efficient energy producer, then in theory you could frak it using foodsafe chemicals, create the "hot rock" conditions, and then it's just a matter of pumping salt water in and collecting clean steam at the top, letting that steam condense naturally into water.
You would need to do this in an area near sea water, obviously, but unless I'm missing something, if you can put all those pieces into place then the desalinated water would become "free," and then the energy produced by the steam turbines would also be "free," outside of maintenance and minor efficiency costs. I mean, it would be "free energy and water" relative to other energy and water production methods, at least. :D
Now maybe fraking wouldn't even be necessary, so long as they could find a place to dump the salt water that would get it to boil, and in which the resulting steam would not carry any unusable byproducts.
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I think that the US should offer aid, and without ANY political conditions, but with VERY strict process restrictions. By that I mean, there should be zero demands of "you need to change, Taliabn," because this is not the time or place for that, people's food should not be conditional on political agreement. But the aid the US provides should be ONLY food, no money or other things that could e easily sold for money, and it must be personally distributed by a third party group, probably not US troops because that would be a mess, definitely not the Taliban, but some other country that both sides can agree are not going to cause any stress. The Taliban would be required to ensure their safety throughout, but these aid groups would distribute the food to make sure that everyone in need gets some. If the Taliban agrees to this and then disrupts the process or allows any aid workers to be harmed on their watch, then there would be serious repercussions. Maybe they could also air drop stuff.
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@urgreatestenemy Yes, I take all that into account. An EV has a larger carbon footprint coming off the lot than a gas car, but the gas car's footprint keeps growing over time, and after less than two years, the EV's overall footprint will be smaller.
And again, a lot of those carbon costs come from inefficient manufacturing processes, so over time those carbon costs will get lower still.
Also, there is NO EV where you "have to replace the batteries every 5 or 6 years." What idiot told you that? EV batteries typically have a 10 year _warranty," and they are rated to last much longer than that. They don't just "die" at some point, they instead just lose a bit of efficiency over time, so if you get a 200 mile range EV, then after 10 years it might only have a range of 180-190, but still plenty for most drivers. If you want to change out the battery you can, but you could keep driving it long past that if you don't need the absolute max range.
And if you do trade out batteries, you can pay off the carbon footprint of the new one in a year or so of driving, and it can be fully recycled, with all that lithium going into making a fresh battery.
I'm afraid that you listed a bunch of fossil fuel industry misinformation that someone must have fed you. Look into the topic yourself, stay away from their propaganda. Don't be their slave.
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@urgreatestenemy I was also factoring in the other forms of pollution.
Were you?
Have you looked into the oil pollution Nigeria has? Pumping, refining, shipping, and more importantly burning gasoline causes FAR more pollution to the globe as a whole, and much more than that directly to the US, than ANY aspect of EVs.
And yeah, recycling the batteries would produce some small amount of pollution, but not that much, a manageable amount (you should look up some videos of battery recycling to see what that involves). It would still be far less than the amount of oil that would be burned by a car driving the same miles.
Also, it sounds like the Natural Gas lobby has wormed their way into your brain with the idea of hydrogen. They like hydrogen because they can make hydrogen out of Natural Gas. The problem there being that while the Hydrogen burns clean, the refining process from Natural Gas produces as much CO2 as driving a gasoline car. You can make Hydrogen using electricity, but that process is much less electricity efficient than EVs, and would be much more expensive at the pump per mile driven. It would not be terribly efficient.
Also, building out a hydrogen infrastructure would be a LOT more work than hooking up charging stations. All in all, if we're all going to be shifting from gasoline cars to some alternative, most drivers should not go with Hydrogen. There are some practical uses for it, mostly in trucking and air travel, maybe for some drivers that travel extreme amounts of miles per day, but 99.9% of US drivers would be better off on EVs, which is why they are the focus.
So if your argument is "nobody should drive cars of any type, then ok, I don't think that's practical, but it would at least be less polluting, but there is NO measure by which gasoline cars work out to be better for the environment than EVs.
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@FastEddy1959 Trump's economy just coasted on the trends started by the Obama economy. Economically it was Obama's third term, aside from the various screw ups like Trump's tax cut for billionaires and the pointless tariffs on US businesses.
Trump's foreign policy had no advantages, it only weakened relationships that we'd maintained since WWII and gained absolutely nothing.
There were no advantages to lower taxes, it only raised the deficit and the national debt, and lower taxes on the wealthy are in no way "fair."
Poor and minorities did not fair better under Trump, they just fairred well as the economic recovery Obama put into place continued to operate. Then a lot of them died because Trump flubbed our covid response.
Also, you're thinking of Trump when you say "He showed us what it looks like when a corrupt president weaponizes various branches of the government (IRS, FBI, etc.) against his political opponents. "
That is all stuff that Trump did, never Obama. What you're doing there is called "projecting."
"Crimes? Cover-ups, corruption, and theft were the hallmarks of Obama’s administration. "
Nope. Nobody in the Obama administration did anything criminal, whereas the Trump administration was riddled with indictments, and would have gotten more, given that all the oversight and watchdog groups were calling out their corruption left and right, but the corrupt Barr Justice Department would not actually prosecute any of the Trump Administration crimes because they were appointed to be corrupt themselves.
I do at least agree that Trump will go down as our worst President, because of weak-will, indecisive, & ineffective management.
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I think that obviously it would be possible for every country in the world to be "developed," but it's very unlikely that we'll move from here to there, and it wouldn't mean that everyone would benefit. A "world in which every country is developed" would just mean that the tops of each country are more leveled out, and also the bottoms of each country is more leveled out. It would mean that the less developed countries would need to have at least a few companies based in them that could compete with a US Fortune 500, and therefore most likely the US would have fewer than they do now. It would mean that the bottom end of the existing developed countries would need to fall further, so that you could hire people to work in factories in America for the wages that Vietnamese factories currently pay, and they would take those jobs. Again, not likely this would ever happen, nor would it be desirable for a country like the US, but in theory there's no reason that stratification would need to exist between nations, even if stratification is inevitable between economic castes.
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You're right and wrong about the "niche." Thing. Elden Ring is not a niche, but also, the "Souls Masochist" is still a niche. The person who genuinely enjoys the brutality, is still a niche. The "most played" audience is not there for that, they are there because of the other aspects of the game, and the "git gud" mentality harms their enjoyment of it.
Now, to "difficulty sliders," I agree that plenty of other games handle difficulty clumsily, but nobody is asking for a bad implementation of it, nor should From provide one. That doesn't mean that every implementation would necessarily be bad. "Leveling up" is not good enough, however, as leveling even using cheese tactics is far too grindy, and "playing normally" will never get you there. The "boulder trick" is way too grindy, and the better methods involve beating either Radahn or Godrick, and if I could do that, I wouldn't need to grind for levels.
And then the scaling that leveling provides is not sufficient, even maxed out leveled and geared characters are not tanky enough to survive most encounters without learning "proper" tactics. A good difficulty option in this game would be to just make it so that "intended level" characters would be tanky enough to survive many "OHKO" hits from a boss without dying even once. The boss would have their full skillset, they would play identically, all that would change is the consequences of failing a skill check. Instead of failing one attack combo meaning you would need to restart that fight entirely, it would just knock you on your ass and you'd get back up and keep fighting. "Playing well" would require exactly as much skill as in hard mode, but "playing well" would not be necessary to complete a challenge.
I hope I'm clear here. If you've seen one of those "not get hit even once" playthroughs of a game like this? Then what I'm talking about is a version in which if one of those players played it on this "easy mode," and did as well as he usually does, then the results of his playthrough would be identical to if he were playing it on normal. The boss would do all the same attacks, he would avoid them as usual, nothing would appear to be different, because the fundamentals would be identical. But if he were less skilled, and he started taking a bunch of hits, then in the normal mode a few of those in a row would add up to a wipe and rest, whereas in the normal mode, a few of those would be fine and the fight would continue. This would require no changing of AI or anything complex, it would jsut be tweaking things like HP scaling or Damage Negation to values several times higher than in the live game. I assume basic modders could do this will little effort, and I'm sure From could do it with even less.
Combat difficult aside, while this game seems to have more checkpoints than previous Souls games, they still end up placing respawn points WAY too far from bosses in many cases. If losing a bossfight caused you to respawn within seconds, exactly outside the boss room, then it would be FAR less annoying than if it places you a thirty second run past several enemies and an elevator ride away from the boss. Placing stakes of marika right outside of a boss room would go a LONG way in this game, and while this sometimes happens, it is not remotely universal.
So that's what I want to see 1. better ways to level up that don't require hours of pointless grind, 2. an optional method to scale damage at a much stronger effect than the current ingame scaling, such that even the toughest bosses aren't one-shotters, and 3. more Stakes of Marika, right up against the fogwalls.
Btw, my current Elden Ring experience is that I'm at level 55, have unlocked the entire map up through the Capitol, but have not year beaten a Demigod. I've beaten a few midbosses and gotten to phase 2 on Renella. I really enjoy a lot about the game, but I really hate how the combat works and am very frustrated that I won't be able to continue exploring this world until I beat at least two of the bosses, each of the ones I've fought being able to oneshot me at least some of the time. I want to be able to play and enjoy it without needing that. I don't want to take anything away from people who enjoy Elden Ring for how it is, but I also want to enjoy it as much as they do, and I do not care a single bit about "it being against 'the point' of the game." I do not like that point.
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@hillbilly8915 Social distance and masks didn't stop the spread, but it definitely reduced the spread massively. It would have worked much better if there weren't so many yahoos out there that didn't wear their masks or socially distance as often as they should. It was only not as bad as it could have been because people took those measures, but it could have been much better still. By the time this peters out, probably around 700,000 or so Americans will have been killed by it. If we had done absolutely nothing and just "lived our lives," that would have been closer to 2-3 million. If we had taken this more seriously, as some other countries had done, and had better lockdowns, more mask use, better contact tracing, etc., we could have easily kept the death count below 100,000.
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@AB-wf8ek Well, I don't think "The AI says so" will be admissible in court, at least not any time soon. I think that there will be tools for AI to determine "substantial similarity," if there aren't already, but that these will just be "suggestions," rather than absolute fact. That is, if you use one, it might look through ten million pictures and go "I think this one looks like that one," but ultimately, a human would have to look at the two and agree that they do, rather than just accepting that as fact. Likewise, if an AI missed a connection, but a human showed two similar images and made their case, "the AI didn't catch it" is no excuse.
But then on the other hand, a lot of people take things like DNA evidence, lie detectors, handwriting analysis, and other things as being more 100% proof than they might actually be, so having an AI back you up would probably be strong in a court case.
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@Ziva_15 God has created trillions of people, each of whom is different. Many of them are male and many of them female, and some of them re trans, and they are also in His image and also perfect. There is no single human form that is more perfect than any other. A person born blind is perfect, a person born with three limbs is perfect, they are all God's children.
If either of us has the devil whispering to him, it would be the one who believes that God wants them to persecute others for how God made them, which would be the opposite of Jesus's teachings. It's ok, the Devil is a tricky one, and he often speaks in was that are appealing, but resist his temptations towards hatred and division.
God does not make mistakes, he creates paths for a reason. When God creates a trans person, it is because He wants that person's journey in life to involve being trans, to experience a broader spectrum of human experience.
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@jsnip6720 All experts do agree that vaccines are not always perfectly safe, but the important part to remember is that they ALSO agree that an approved vaccine is MORE safe than NOT taking it. Right?
Nothing in life is perfectly safe, that can't be the standard that we hold things to. Any food item on the shelf has some risk of causing harm under some conditions, so if we just wall ourselves off in a padded room until the outside world is perfectly safe than we will accomplish nothing.
Modern vaccines are tested to the point at which they are determined to be safe enough that further testing will cost more lives in delaying than it is likely to save. The, after they are put into action, further testing will continue to take place along the way.
There is zero net benefit to "further safety studies" prior to approval than are currently applied, because every month spent on "further safety studies" will produce less and less chance of discovering actual problems with the vaccine, and every such month will lead to lives lost from people who would have survived had they taken the vaccine.
Take the most recent pandemic, it has been three years since the vaccine was distributed to the majority of Americans. In that time, there have been no serious complications related to it, and it has dropped the death and complications rate of the disease down to almost nothing for those vaccinated. For every month that the vaccine rollout had been delayed, thousands of American lives would have been lost unnecessarily. Why would you prefer that outcome?
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@zwerko Yes, but even though EVs are heavier, they are still more efficient and clean to drive than a gas car. Their flaws do not outweigh their benefits. Bikes are lighter, but have the disadvantage of being slower, less comfortable, and require pedal power.
As for EV longevity, an older gas car is likely to have significant engine problems that will make it far less reliable than when it was brand new. To keep it driving, you would have to put in thousands of dollars in cleanings and replacements. If you're willing to spend that much money, you could also afford to replace an EV battery, but like I said, that is an option, because not every driver requires the same amount of range out of their vehicle.
Every vehicle choice has tradeoffs, things that it does better or worse than the alternatives. For most drivers, the advantages of EVs are far stronger than the disadvantages.
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@BarMagnet I am assuming a grid run entirely on renewables, which we will eventually have. You keep bringing up carts, well a simple lesson is, "don't put the cart before the horse." You don't imply that EVs are bad just because the grid is not yet entirely renewable, because that only makes it harder to get us to 100% renewable grids. You build out both at once. If we ignore EVs entirely until the grid is entirely renewable, then we would be setting back EV adoption by 20 years or more.
If we instead build both out at the same time, then EV adoption will grow over the next couple decade, AND renewable grids will grow over that time, and both processes will feed off of and support each other to speed up both timetables, rather than trying to run them concurrently. And already, even with a partially fossil fuel grid, an EV is better than a gasoline car, and that will get better and better and better every single year as renewables continue to claim more of that market.
The only people that benefit from your strategy is the fossil fuel lobby. Funny, that.
And recycling lithium batteries is not cheap, but it isn't unreasonably expensive either, and will only get cheaper as it scales up. Oil cannot be recycled at all, so lithium still holds the edge there.
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@BarMagnet There are places where batteries are used on the grid for large scale load balancing. In some cases this has been going on for decades. There is no mystery to the process or concern that "it might not work," we know for a fact that it works, we only need to implement it.
To use your analogy, we have ten people, and we have five pieces of bacon and five eggs, and also ten bowls of oatmeal. We can get more bacon and eggs for tomorrow, but not unless there is proven demand for them, so if nobody eats bacon and eggs today, then there will be no more bacon or eggs tomorrow, but if five people eat it today, then they will be happy today, and there will be more bacon and eggs available tomorrow, enough for everyone.
As for "encouraging consumerism," consumerism is going to happen either way, there is no practical approach to "discouraging consumerism." All we can do is influence what gets consumed.
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I remember 20 years ago in college being baffled by this. Just seems like a pointless waste of time and effort. Stick with AD and BC like everyone else in the world. It just seems like it's trying to confuse people, add to their mental workload by breaking established customs arbitrarily. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's not like "CE" doesn't mean "after the birth of Christ as it was at one point understood," that is still the zero point of that scale, so what's the point of renaming it? If the point is to separate it from Christianity, then you would also need to move the start date to something else, like the formation of the Roman Empire, or the coronation of Charlemagne, or the battle of Hastings, or the Declaration of Independence, or whatever. So long as it's still currently "2024," there's no reason to not use "AD." It just means "AD."
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@frankdayton731 I mean, that would certainly help, sure, but short of that, you would need something like the evidence against Trump on similar topics, like actual paperwork describing such transactions, trustworthy people testifying under oath as to what went on, things like that. So far, the "FBI document" just seems to be a random person saying "I think Biden did shady stuff," without any evidence to back up those claims, and without the person involved having any credibility to make such a claim. People report UFOs and lizard people all the time, that does not mean they should be listened to.
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@dingerling9017 Well, "life" applies to those children regardless of their parent's ideologies. If a doctor says that a child has cancer, the parent going "lalala, I can't hear you!" is not an effective treatment plan. A child doesn't just magically stop being trans just because their parent doesn't want to believe it.
I do believe that we need to expect a high burden of evidence to make permanent medical decisions without the agreement of the parent, but I don't believe that the parent's agreement should be absolutely necessary if they are acting against the interest of the child. And I CERTAINLY do not support applying transgender medicine to children without the child's approval, and nobody else does either. But if the child makes a sincere case that they are transgender, and the doctors and psychologists involved in the case agree that this is a serious case, then why should that child not at least be able to take puberty blockers and hormones to grow up in the body they want to have? Yes, it will change them drastically, but that is what is best for them. Doing nothing would also change them drastically, and in a way that they would suffer from for years to come.
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@dingerling9017 Biology isn't ideological. Natural biological development can be an illness if it causes a decreased standard of living. Cancer, for example, is natural, and biological. If you can treat the condition and improve quality of life, then you should do that. We don't have pills that can make someone into Superman. If we did, we would have to consider the ethics of providing them to patients. We DO have treatments that improve the lives of trans people, and it would be unethical to withhold them on bad faith ideological grounds, such as "I don't accept that you are the gender you claim to be."
The evidence does not support the idea that this is "a phase," all research into the topic indicates that while some kids do have a phase where they explore the idea of being a different gender and grow out of it, those that are serious about it tend to stick with that new gender for the rest of their lives. The medical position on the topic is that no permanent medical intervention should take place UNTIL they are serious about it, there are no situations in which a child goes "I think maybe I'm trans," and the doctor goes "ok, we'll schedule the surgery for Monday," that's NEVER how this works.
Before any permanent steps are taken, the child will undergo years of therapy, and if they are not certain that this is what is best for them, nobody will pressure them into choosing otherwise. But if they ARE serious about it, if the choice is between growing into the body that will make )them_ happy, or into the body that would make you happy, then why do you believe it is in their best interests to please you?
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You know, while I agree that this is a stupid idea across the board, there are much more effective ways to design something that does basically this thing. Step 1 would be to have a large, permanent structure, don't build a tower using bricks, just build a large, permanent building that is maybe a couple hundred meter tall. You could even put people in it, or use it for nuclear waste storage or something. Hell, maybe make it a water tower, doesn't matter. Then, instead of using moving cables to move the bricks up and down, you use elevators on the edges of that building, perhaps dropping at a slight angle. then, bricks would be moved to the edges of the building, and moved away from the edges to make space.
So effectively, the life cycle of the bricks would be that a brick would move up to the side of the building (either self-driving our using conveyor rollers), and then an elevator would drag it to the top, and then it would be rolled over to the center of the building, as new bricks shift into position. This way, the elevator mechanisms would never have to move, the bricks would not be swinging around, the tower itself would be architecturally stable, and every brick could move from maximum to minimum height for max efficiency.
It would still be pretty dumb though.
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@krankrocker The MSM is not biased against Trump, Trump is just objectively as bad as the MSM portray him to be. It is anyone who presents him in a more positive light than that which is biased. If you call a pile of shit a pile of shit, that is not bias. If you call a pile of shit a bouquet of flowers, then that is bias.
And the Trump campaign did collude with Russia, that was well documented in the Muller report and in the charges against Paul Manafort, for which Trump pardoned him to prevent him facing justice (or flipping on Trump). The only "scam" in that was in how right-wing media tried to hide that from viewers as best they could.
As for Biden's mental stability, at the very least we can agree that he's considerably more stable than the last guy. He has a stutter, which impacts his public speaking, but only an idiot would be unable to tell that Biden is always on top of whatever subject he's discussing.
As for Cuomo, he's the governor of NY. Psaki is the spokesperson for the President. The President really does not have anything to do with specific governors. Questions about Cuomo should be directed toward the spokesperson for the NY governor, not the President.
And as for "helicopter questions," that was actually a clever trick the last administration used, because any time they asked him a softball, he would take a swing at it, while any time they asked him a hard question, he would pretend he couldn't hear them and move on. He did that a LOT. Biden does answer questions on the way to events though, if you haven't seen him doing so, it's probably because his answers were too good for right-wing media to allow it on-air.
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@sjent Yes, and 3% of the population (of the US) is 9 million people, which is about 8 million more people than the healthcare system can sustain at any given time.
"US has one of the highest infection rates in the world. But i guess if its "working" for you..."
Like I said, in the part that you quoted, "not as well as it might have in an ideal scenario." When Trump completely dropped the ball on the run-up to all of this, we were left with a wide variety of bad endings. The route we took is one of the better available paths from that terrible starting location. Obviously we would have been much better off if we'd started in January to ramp up supplies and jump on early infections, but that ship has sunk. Now it's about what should we be doing about it NOW, and the current policy of "stay at home" is the best way of reducing further damage.
"COVID is fairly mild virus, so most of those who could be infected got infected, rest got scared and take basic precautions like washing their hands. "
Lol, no. Only a tiny fraction of New York has been infected so far, If not for the lockdown, most of them would have by now, and the numbers would be at least ten times worse across the board. Yeah, at some point it would burn out, but not before killing a LOT more people. We know from experience that places with poor social distancing got hit the hardest relative to their circumstances, like in New Orleans and Florida.
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@sjent "All those people would not get infected and develop symptom at the same time. "
Not at the exact same time, no, but we know for a fact that this virus moves FAST when left unchecked. Italy got hit fast, New York got hit fast. New York is already ABOVE its normal capacity and barely within its emergency capabilities. And that's WITH weeks of social distancing. If they had stopped that early, then they would be way over any possible capacity to deal with it. Plenty of other communities all over the country are similarly swamped. Yeah, even if we fully opened up not everyone would get sick literally at the same time, but this is a virus that takes about two weeks to present, and then, for the people hit hardest, will persist for about 3-4 more weeks, so cases tend to pile up. If we opened up, hospitals across the country would be over capacity within a month or so of that and plenty of people would die as a result.
"Then how US end up where it end up, if it was such a better available path ?"
BECAUSE we got such a shitty start, BECAUSE Trump did nothing for the first crucial months. If we'd been banning travel earlier, stocking up on testing kits earlier, stocking up on PPE earlier, if he hadn't disbanded the anti-pandemic taskforce so they would be on top of things sooner, if there had been nation-wide shelter orders sooner, we could have kept the cases low like in some other countries. The problem with a viral outbreak like this is that things snowball, if they start to get out of control, then they get VERY out of control VERY quickly.
Think of it like a building fire. Ideally you want to put the fire out early, when it's small enough to douse with a small extinguisher, and if you do that, great. But if you don't start dealing with the fire until half the place it lit up, then you don't have the option of just making the problem go away, you need to use extreme measures to salvage any of the structure, and there's no point complaining about water damage or that it's inconvenient you had to miss your favorite show because those asshole firemen made you evacuate the building while they dealt with it.
"Its equivalent of putting a tourniquet on persons neck to stop nosebleed. "
No, it's the equivalent to putting a tourniquet around their arm to stop an arm bleed from bleeding them out. More accurately, it's a medically induced coma. Sometimes you have to knock a patient out to give their body time to heal.
"How do you know that is was lack of social distancing that was to blame ? "
Ok, what's your alternative explanation to why a place like New Orleans would see massively higher rates of the virus than other places, coincidentally right after having a massive street party? I'm open to ideas.
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@sjent "And there are other countries, states and cities that were not. You are presenting exceptions as a rule."
No, I'm presenting the rules as the rules. Viruses don't come out of nowhere. They don't just spontaneously erupt everywhere simultaneously. They travel. They have a point of origin. So in any given region, there's nothing at all unusual about them having zero cases for long periods of time, because someone who has the virus has to travel there. And it's possible for outbreaks to contain themselves, because the people who have it just naturally socially distance, and it sputters out. But in the cases where A. multiple people have had the virus, and B. the people around them did not maintain social distancing, the virus erupts out of control and within weeks gets all over the place. Always. Every time.
"So youre saying that despite imposed social distancing, it makes no difference ? That perhaps there are other factors involved ?"
That's not even close to what I'm saying. You aren't paying attention. What I am saying is that without social distancing being implemented, NY would be WAY WAY WAY worse than it is today. Remember, viral outbreaks have lag. If you start doing a good thing today, then it will have very little impact on infections for a couple weeks, and very little impact on deaths for weeks after that. But that impact will eventually arrive. And if you do something bad today, it won't fix anything tomorrow, but it will make things better in a few weeks, and even better weeks after that. If NY had instituted the current social distancing guidelines two weeks earlier than they did, then instead of ten thousand deaths as of today, they might have been able to keep it to only hundreds, or even dozens. If they had instituted social distancing two weeks later than they did, then they would likely have had fifty thousand or more deaths by this point, but whichever they did, it would have seemed to make almost no difference for a week or two after.
"Thats the problem. If you dont open up it may crash economy and many more die as result long after virus is gone. There is no good solution."
There is no good solution, but opening up is the worse one, because the cost of "crashing the economy" does not result in more people dying than opening up would cause, even in the long term. The people dying from opening up would crash the economy either way, at least this way saves more lives.
"If we did this and if we did that does not qualify as viable explanation. Being smart after the fact does not negate the fact that US response to the pandemic was really bad."
I'm not saying the US response was good. The Federal response was, is, and will remain fucking awful because we have a muppet in the White House. I desperartely wish that weren't the case. But we're talking about the lockdown, and the lockdown has nothing to do with the federal government. The lockdown was caused by STATE governments, and the lockdown HAS been an effective measure taken to do whatever they can to slow things. Obviously this would have been more effective with better federal leadership, but that ship has sunk, so we're all left doing the best we can here, and the best we can do, for the time being, is to stay in lockdown.
"in US itself people need money to feed themselves, to pay their bills. Businesses need revenue to continue to function."
This is where government needs to step up. They need to provide people with the money they need to feed themselves until this is over. They need to provide businesses the money they need to tread water until this is over, so that when it is over, they can pick themselves back up and keep running. Like I said, this is like a medically induced coma, and if you put someone into a coma, but then just ignore them for weeks, yeah, they'll die, so you need to give them an IV drip of nutrients to keep them alive. We've gotten some of that so far, but we definitely will need more. I'm not saying they won't fuck this up, I don't trust them that far, but if they manage it well, it's the best path forward.
"Really, right after ? You dont see the problem with this statement ? Like the fact that virus has up to 2 weeks incubation period ?"
I factored that into my example. By "right after" I wasn't referring to "minutes later," I was referring to "after the incubation period had had the time to display impacts," which is how it actually happened.
"Florida, for example, is a retirement state. And elderly are the highest risk group when ti comes to this virus."
Yes, but it's not the elderly in Florida that turned out to be a specific issue for that state, it was spring breakers, who not only caused outbreaks across the state ( outside of retirement communities), but also spread it to their home/school communities when they returned.
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"And they have. We are not talking about some remote mountain village. Hundreds of people travel between states any any given day. It is extremely probable, statistically speaking, that at least some of them will be carriers."
Yes, but it takes time. A few people entered the country with the virus before February. A few more after that. And they didn't evenly distribute, they landed largely in coastal areas, international airports. They interacted with people working there. This is a SLOW virus. It's a mean one, but slow, it takes a week or two to be noticeable, another week or two to put people into the hospital, and another week or two to kill, so the lag time between one person showing up and having a noticeable impact can be fairly long. It will reach those random rural areas, but it takes time, and the better everyone socially distances, the less likely that someone who happens to be a carrier will happen to go to a certain place, and happen to bump into people, who will happen to bump into other people. Without social distancing, if everyone is just going about their business, it spreads faster, but can still be hard to notice for weeks or even months in some places.
"Except that world is not uniform and in different places it will manifest differently. So one carrier in state A will have different result that another carrier in state B. Boiling it down to just social distancing is fairly stupid. Especially considering how weak this virus really is."
It's not "weak," more people have died from it already than in an entire year of the normal flu, and that's with aggressive measures to try and slow it down that we normally don't bother with. I hardly even ever get a flu shot, much less socially isolate myself. This virus is a serious killer, it's just a slow moving one. It's Jason, not Alien.
"Its not even presumption, but pure assertion. There is no way of knowing that."
Nonsense.
"Good thing ? What good thing ? I see idiots wearing masks thinking it will save them. Completely oblivious to the fact that virus can enter thru the eyes."
Well, yes, no, and maybe. One, virus is unlikely to just float directly into your eye and infect you that way. It's possible, but highly unlikely. Where the risk lies, is that if you get it on your hands and then touch your eye, that's a higher risk. Now wearing a lame face mask doesn't do a great job of protecting you from getting the virus, a really nice one can be fairly significant, but what even a lame mask does is limit the amount of virus you spread, since we know that this spreads before you even know that you're sick. So that's why it's socially responsible for you to wear a mask, not so that you don't get sick, but so that if you are sick and don't know it, you're less likely to spread it.
Wearing the mask typically doesn't mean that you spread no virus, but it does reduce the range and volume of virus you could put out into the world, making it less likely for someone else to come into contact with it.
Reducing likelihood is important.
"After 2008 recession suicide rates jumped by at least 20%. And that is just one factor out of many."
I would rather have people choosing to take their own life than people choosing to live be unable to because they got this virus. I do not care about suicide rate statistics. Bump up suicide hotlines and social services to try and minimize that effect as best they can, but if ten people taking their own lives saves one person willing to fight to live, then I'm all for that.
"You must understand that this money is not coming from reserves, but simply new green paper is being printed. It is not covered by anything and will directly translate into even more debt. "
You were the one just talking about suicide rates and the danger of a bad economy. Yeah, it drives up debt, and yeah, it would be nice if we had more of a cushion, if the Republicans had not driven us so far into debt before this started, but at the end of the day, "more debt" is still the better outcome than "the cost of not spending our way out of this." The US can sustain WAY more debt than even what we currently have, IF we put it to good use. Paying to mitigate the damage of this outbreak is a better use of that debt than a ton of other nonsense we've spent debt on over the past few decades.
"They tried that during Great Depression, where factories were manufacturing cars and those cars then went directly onto scrap yard, to keep things going. Did not work out that well."
That seems dumb. I would not pay businesses to do busywork, to make junk. I would either assign them to make things that we do need, like medical equipment, or I would just pay them to do nothing. Yeah, pay them to do nothing. He's some money to pay off your monthly expenses, so that you don't go bankrupt, but since your costs are lower than usual too, you don't have to keep the machines running or buy new materials, this should keep you afloat until it's time to move again.
"Except that US is not self-contained economy. Not to mention that this IV is full of nothing but saline. US has no reserves."
The US doesn't need reserves. It operates on a fiat currency which it controls. People are buying up treasury bonds like nobody's business. The US could run up tens of trillions of debt and we'd be fine. Obviously we shouldn't run up more than necessary, but in this case, it's necessary.
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"Death toll of OCVID-19, with all the number fudging is closing on 200k(realistically its probably around 40-50k, if that). Death toll of flu, at any given year is between 300k and 650k. Worldwide."
I think you're missing the forest for the trees there. The flu is an endemic issue, it's already everywhere at any given time. CV is a novel outbreak, it started in one location and had to spread outwards from there, so it hasn't hit everywhere that it's going to hit yet. Numerous countries and regions have instituted historic lockdowns to slow the spread of CV, further reducing its impacts. You should not look at those death totals as a sign for relief, you should be concerned at how bad it is even though we're taking every measure possible to reduce it, and how much worse it would be if we just "let it happen."
"COVID-19 can bypass mucous membrane as easily as it can get into your thru nose. It can be transferred by touching infected surface or by coming in contact with airborne droplets."
Yes, but you're more likely to encounter the droplets by inhaling them than you are by just standing there and bumping into them. It's an active vs passive interaction. Again, we're talking odds here. And you can NOT get infected just by touching an infected surface, you need to touch that surface and then touch your eyes, nose, or mouth before disinfecting. You could technically get elbow-deep in a soup of CV and not get sick from it, so long as you kept it away from your airways and washed thoroughly afterwards. It is not bloodborne, it cannot pass through your skin, it needs to get directly into your lungs.
"I dont even know what to say on that. I thought this whole discussion was on how to minimize damage."
It is about minimizing damage. I can't be responsible for the choices of people who WANT to die. If I can save their life, I will, but if they are saying "you let that covid patient die or I'm going to cut my own throat," I choose the person who wants to live. If you tell me "course A will lead to more innocent people surviving this disease, but also lead to more people taking their own lives," then I will tell you, then that's the course we're taking, and we'll try to invest in suicide prevention as best we can, but ultimately it's their choice.
"Its not just Republicans. This has been going on for past 40+ years, under various administrations. Its US Government in general, as institution."
Don't pay attention to the presidents, pay attention to the congresses. If you track government spending and revenues over the decades, it's Republicans that tend to run up deficits. They tend to cut taxes to the bone while not cutting spending. Democrats do tend to raise spending some, but only on things that are actually worth spending on. If not for Republican priorities, the budget would be in a much healthier place, with less debt, and what debt we had would have gone to more useful projects.
"Fiat currency that is rapidly losing it extremely inflated worth, as many countries are weening themselves off dollar."
Nah. Remember how in 2008 Wall Street was "too big to fail?" The US is bigger. If the US "failed" it would devastate the global economy, and that will remain true for at least decades to come, and everyone knows that. Even much smaller countries are big enough that the global economy won't allow them to go under. It's a non-issue. National debt is a completely different substance than personal debt, and cannot be considered as if they are similar. It's like comparing plants to animals.
Here' some info about recent Treasuries action: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/07/treasury-yields-edge-higher-as-investors-hope-for-coronavirus-slowdown.html
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"Question is, does stalling economy, that may lead to deaths of hundreds of thousands, worth to save maybe tens of thousands."
In this actual situation? Yes, because if we're dealing in hypotheticals, then we have to accept that we would not be "saving maybe tens of thousands," but "maybe saving millions," because that's the hypothetical high end on this, the "if we did nothing" end. You're looking at the end results of extreme countermeasures and saying "well that wasn't so bad," completely ignoring how much worse the data indicates it would have been without those extreme countermeasures. There is no rational argument that "the cure is worse than the disease" in THIS case.
"It always starts and ends with president. Federal budget is something that involves intricate back'n'forth between all branches of government."
Not really. Presidents typically send congress a budget proposal, sure. And if the Congress is friendly to him, then that's what might end up on his desk, but if congress is hostile to him, then it won't look anything like that, because the budget proposal has no legal power. Congress has way more direct control over what does and doesn't make it into the budget, all the president actually gets to do is either veto it or not, so at the end of the process, he very often doesn't get a lot of what he wants, and has to swallow a lot of what he doesn't if the congress is hostile to him.
Back to the point though, if you check the data, Republicans are MUCH more likely to run up deficits during periods of economic stability than Democrats are, while Democrats are much more likely to balance the budget.
"Obama printed huge amount of money and wasted it on completely irreverent feelgood crap."
Nope. Obama balanced the budget much more than Bush or Trump have done. The biggest spending blowouts from the Obama administration, which overshadowed the rest of it, was in the immediate aftermath of Bush's recession, where massive spending was needed to offset a much larger depression. That was a cure that prevented a larger disease too.
"And there is nobody capable, not to mention willing, to bail US out."
The US is. That's the point of large scale national governments, they are self-sustaining. They can't go bust. They don't need the same sorts of "bailout" that businesses or individuals need. They just refuse to die, and so it becomes. You just don't understand how global economics functions and are using overly simplified analogs.
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"Have to ? I dont have to do anything of sorts."
Ok, perhaps I should have been more clear. You would have to if you wanted to claim to be making a rational and consistent position.
"In fact it seems that they are grossly overestimated, by the factor of 100 at least."
NO. That is the entire point!
The intention of those projections was not sto say "this is the amount of people that will DEFINITELY die, no matter what." The point of those projections was to say "this is what would happen if we just behaved normally and went about our lives". The fact that we've come in under those projects is not a sign that they were wrong, it's a sign that we did things right to avert that outcome. A common analogy that I've seen, and which mostly applies, is "oh, it looks like our fall has slowed down, I guess we can ditch these parachutes now." Yes, right now we are below those projections, but only BECAUSE we have been "behaving weirdly" in response to the virus. As soon as we start "behaving normally" again, we start heading back towards what those projections said would happen. It wouldn't be quite as bad, because we stalled out a bit of it, but it would be a lot worse than if we kept up the pressure.
"Many countries that do not have those countermeasures in place or have them in far milder state, also have fairly low infection and death numbers."
Different countries, different circumstances. Some countries just didn't have a lot of international travel in the first place. Some do have a lot of cases but don't have a lot of testing so it's not as apparent. Some WILL be as bad as the US, but it just hasn't hit yet. The other factor is that these outbreaks grow exponentially, not linearly, so if a country jumps on top of things immediately, they can keep things mellow, while if they catch things even a week later, it can spiral out of control, even if both are doing the exact same things once they get going. The California Bay Area, for example, jumped onto their outbreak faster than most, and all else being equal their rates are TINY compared ot most places that have had an outbreak.
But sure, maybe you know better than all the people who's job it is to understand these things, Mr. Dunning Kruger.
"In addition to that it is a well known fact that countries like US have policy that forces medical personnel to mark anyone who died with COVID-19 as of COVID-19. To greatly inflate numbers and justify those extreme countermeasures."
Lol.
No, wait, people are dying. This is no time for lols.
"Despite the fact that you yourself say that president can veto budget, you them state that president does not have much power over budget ? Do you know what logic is ?"
Because the veto is a binary. Presidents have tired line-item vetoing before and it was declared unconstitutional, so basically they have to take it or leave it, and at some point, that means they need to take it to keep things running. It can be politically disastrous if a President vetos an otherwise more or less ok budget that passed both houses of Congress. Yes, the veto power means that the budget can't be completely offensive to the President's goals, but also he has little power over adding specific things he wants or trimming things he does not, beyond what Congress chooses to offer him.
"Again, contradictions is same paragraph. So did Obama balance budget or did he overspend ?"
He balanced the budget. The deficit he inherited went down considerably during his term in office.
"Running up an enormous deficit and debt that made literally all presidents before him, combined, looking like extremely conservative spenders."
Almost all the deficit spending he did was in his first year, cleaning up the Bush recession. Most economists believe he should have spent more during those early years which would have gotten us out of the recession faster.
"Except that it is not. If US government is so "self-sustaining", then why it cant balance it budget for over 40 years ? Its the opposite of being self-sustained."
Because balancing the budget wasn't the goal, growth was, so instead of balancing the budget, they spent that money on growing the economy. Not always in the most wise ways possible, sometimes in extremely dumb ways like the Trump tax cuts, but at no point did they attempt to balance the budget outside of the Clinton administration. It is worth pointing out that the budget WAS balanced after Clinton until the Bush tax cuts and wars blew it out again. We hadn't yet recovered the entire national debt or anything, but we would have if he'd just left things alone for a decade or so.
"Greece is a perfect example of how one good hit can collapse this house of cards. "
No, Greece is an AWFUL example because they DON'T control their own fiscal policy. They are part of the EU, and their monetary system is linked to the Euro. This means that they CAN'T "print their way out" of a problem like the US can. If they were independent, then they could have coasted right through that crisis. Now I do believe in the EU, and think that ultimately they should continue to grow and improve it, but they need to do a better job of protecting their member states in situations like that. It's basically like if a US state went bankrupt, which can happen. Their options for handling that are much more limited than the entire US has.
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"Riight, because there are only two positions - yours and the wrong one.
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There could be others, but the one you were making at the time was not one of those.
"Except that those "projections" were based on nothing."
They were based on scientific analysis. That's how projections work, you use the available data and plot out where past experience would indicate something will go. This is like when they predict the path of a hurricane, and there are multiple models that all point in the same general direction but you don't like their answers so you pencil in your own and claim "it's all based on nothing." https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/D9r2X8iagrE0Q70AO9Q2BiEqvqA=/0x0:2678x1785/1200x800/filters:focal(807x730:1235x1158)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65193692/1172289651.jpg.0.jpg
"There is no reason to believe that those projections had anything to do with reality to begin with."
Yes there is.
"Real numbers are unknown and effect that those measures had on virus are unknown as well. but more we learn about this virus, more it becomes clear that those projected numbers are nonsense."
No, again, the projected numbers were accurate, and remain accurate, IF we did nothing. Because we acted, it cut into those numbers. It's like if you have a crowd of 100 people, and a bus is barreling right for it, and you "project" that if the bus plows into that crowd at full speed then it will kill 35 people (I made that number up, but a scientist could arrive at a better calculation based on things like speed and momentum and fluid density and their result would be scientifically valid), then that would be the initial projection. Now, if that bus slowed down, causing it to impact the crowd with less force, allowing more people to get out of the way before it reached them, then far fewer people would die. That does not mean that those initial projections were wrong, just that the conditions that they were basing it on had changed.
"Now all of a sudden you are on board with idea that those things cant be estimated with any degree with accuracy. All while being convinced that those measures were effective in US."
I believe that they can be estimated accurately based on a given set of facts. "If we do nothing, X." "If we lock down, Y" "If we lock down this week, Z1," "If we lock down next week, Z2." Every country has their own circumstances, so every country needs to be predicted separately. Even individual states and counties need to be predicted separately, and you need to update those predictions based on how people change in response to the predictions. The virus doesn't change, it's behavior is the constant, but people are very flexible in reacting to that virus, so you always have to adapt the models as you go. The predictions are still important though as a way of letting people know where the current course will lead them.
"Define "tiny" and what are those "most places" ?"
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/56/04/19325186/21/420x0.jpg
"Closest Obama came to balanced budget was deficit of 442 billion in 2015. Only two people had it higher. Trump - that guy puts Obama to shame with his rabid spending. And George W Bush with 459 billion in 2008, and it was highest deficit when he was in office."
But Obama did reduce the deficit he inherited from Bush. I mean that's the thing, you can't just wave a wand and balance the budget, it's a giant ship that turns slowly. You can't just say "well we're going to stop spending any money now," because the entire country would implode. If you want to reduce the budget you need to do it slowly over time so that necessary services continue to operate. The changes Bush made made it impossible to balance the budget in only eight years, but Obama did bring the budget closer to balanced than where he found it. He made it better, not worse. Then Trump blew it up again.
"There was this thing called dot-com bubble, that went off like nuclear bomb in late 2000. It damage is comparable to that of 2008 recession(6.2 trillion for dot-com and 6 trillion for 2008), yet Bush did not go on a spending spree and his deficit remained fairly reasonable capping at 290 billion. Comparing to Obama 1.5 trillion it was pocket change."
One, the Bush tax cuts caused a long term deficit problem, not just a one-year deficit problem. A lot of the deficit in Obama's term would not have existed without thos Bush tax cuts being in place, but it's a lot harder to get tax raises passed than tax cuts. Two, Bush's policies led to the 2008 recession that blew up the economy during most of Obama's first term. Three, you don't seem to be factoring in Bush's $700 billion TARP program. Again, a president doesn't get to just decide how much the deficit should be in a given year, so year-on-year figures only tell part of the story. The bigger part is what structural changes they apply, and how those changes impact the next years and decades.
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"You cant be seriously comparing predicting hurricanes with predicting spread of a virus. "
True, Hurricanes are much harder to predict. Way more variables.
"How stupid do you need to be to push this narrative ? Whole notion of projections is that they are just a guess. Claiming that they are accurate, without having any evidence to support this claim, is nonsense."
If they were just guesses, then they wouldn't be projections. Projections are based on data analysis, that "based on what we know now about this virus, and based on what other, similar viruses have done under similar situations, the current virus is likely to do X." They aren't just pulled out of thin air, they are calculations based on prior trends, the same as hurricane predictive models. The only real difference is that while hurricanes are completely outside of human control to modify, viral projections can be greatly impacted by human interaction with them. The initial models were based on expectations of "if no changes are made to confront this virus," and now, since drastic efforts were made to confront it, the outcomes have shifted relative to the projections. It's like if you have a car driving towards a wall, you can calculate "I project that in ten seconds we will hit that wall with a force of X Newtons," but then if someone sees that, and hits the brakes, the projection is no longer accurate, the car might not hit that wall, or hit with less force. That does not mean that the projection was wrong, just that you're trying to insist upon it a goal that it never had.
"In this case, there is no way to predict how many people will die."
Sure you can. Not 1:1, obviously, but you can get a ballpark figure. You can estimate the force at which the first people would get hit. You could project how quickly the bus would slow down and how much force would be inflicted on people behind them. You could then take that force data, and using prior data collected on what X amount of blunt force does to a human body, and you could come up with a reasonable estimate of how many people would die from such a collision. Let's say that figure was 6. Would the actual result be 6? Probably not, but it'd likely be within the 3-9 range. It wouldn't likely be "none" and wouldn't likely be "20" either, assuming the methodology was reasonable.
". If bus were to slow down, if would still hit with force, due to it mass, that would kill most people in it direct path, but as it would start weer off and tumble, it would have far greater path of destruction, in addition to that it would be sending everything it hits flying in different directions, resulting in numerous impacts all around it."
A bus is not a bullet, it will not "tumble" upon impact with some humans, especially at low speeds. Humans aren't likely to even get it to tip over, much less roll.
"Did you miss that little line on this chart that says "US average" ? Bay area is not tiny compared to most places, its just that few places are far above average."
One, the Bay Area is still way below that average. If that were all there was to the story, their result would still have been significant. Two, the US average takes into account tons of places that have had few to no cases, because they are too far separated from outbreak locations. They will likely get hit harder at a later date. Remember that this is a virus, it grows exponentially from outbreak sites, it doesn't just spontaneously grow linear everywhere at once. Areas with little to no exposure are likely to remain with little or no cases for long stretches of time, and are less likely to ever get that bad.
The Bay Area is a "likely outbreak location" given its significant international exposure, climate, and population density. There's every reason to believe that they would have been one of those "far above average" locations if nothing had occurred to alter their trajectory from the "natural" state. That it kept the curve low should be seen as an anomaly to any rational observer. If you disagree that the standard social distancing/lockdown methods are responsible for that outcome, you should at least have an alternate theory beyond "just because."
Btw, this is a nice short video about how some of the more recent visual aid graphs functions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-3Mlj3MQ_Q
It explains why certain comparisons may seem misleading.
"Bush, total deficit over 8 years - 3.293 trillion. Obama, total deficit over 8 years - 6.781 trillion."
I feel the need to repeat, the deficit is not just the amount spent during a given year, it is STRUCTURAL. A President cannot EVER say "I will just decide to spend X money this year." That's not how the Federal budget works. A President is obligated by decisions made by previous administrations that the US will spend X amount of dollars over the next 5, 10, 20 years. Untangling that is a lot of work. When Obama took office, the US was obligated to spend trillions more over his administration, and if he'd done nothing at all, then that's what would have happened. Over his tenure, he reduced that amount each year. What is important to track is what structural changes they make to the budget, what revenues they add or remove, what costs they add or remove, and by that mesure, Obama cut costs to the federal budget over his tenure.
"Only ? Hitler rebuild Germany in 5 years. Into power that swept over most of the Europe. Granted Germany was neck-deep in debts, but at least he had something to show for it."
I would prefer not following Hitler's example.
"Did you knew that due to US debt-oriented economy it experience financial crashes about every 15 years ?"
These crashes have nothing to do with government spending, they have to do with Republican policies of low Wall Street regulation. Democrats have put forth numerous proposals to fix this, but can't get it past Senate Republicans.
"I would prefer that government would not be involved in such activities in general."
I would prefer ti too, except when it is needed, in which case they need to do it to prevent even worse alternatives. I mean ideally we would be better regulating big business so that they can't get themselves into such precarious positions in the first place, but if they are about to tumble over and crush the economy, then it's better for the government to bail them out (ideally with enough strings attached to prevent it happening again later), than to just allow the crash to happen and drag the economy out of the rubble.
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"When it comes to viruses, it is impossible to predict their emergence or how they will evolve."
No more impossible than hurricanes, so long as you don't factor human behavior into it, which is why the predictive models were based on :if we did nothing," and why they deviated significantly when we "didn't do nothing," and will go back to the nightmare scenarios if we "stop doing anything."
"True. Except that predictions for COVID-19 could only be made based on similar viruses, like same SARS, as i have mentioned previously."
And also based on how they acted in China early in this, and updated to reflect how they have behaved around the world since.
"As it is done intentionally to promote panic."
To what purpose? Are the scientists super villains to you? In it for the lulz?
"Hurricanes generally follow same pattern, with little deviations, while virus can mutate and everything goes out the window. We cant even accurately predict it spread."
Viruses don't mutate in ways that would make them terribly unpredictable, any more than minor fluctuations can send a hurricane left when it might have gone right and it ends up thousands of miles off course. Viruses mutate over a period of years, and that typically only results in a change to how well immunized people who already had it are. That's irrelevant to the current situation. Predictive models have nothing to do with such mutations, they are based on evaluating the transmission and lethality rates of the existing virus, and then extrapolating from there, and so far the predictive models have been accurate, so long as nothing was changed about the target location. Predict the course of a bowling ball and how many pins it'll knock down, fine, but then remove several of those pins from play before the ball reaches them, and the result will be entirely different, that does not mean that the prediction was wrong.
"This example is completely rubbish, as aside of the fact that "car" exists we know very little about it.We dont know it size, speed, composition, load, mass, etc. Very little of relevant data is available."
In my example I'm assuming that we know the physical properties of the car and the road surface well enough to make accurate predictions. That's part of the initial premise. Likewise, when the Covid predictions were made, they were based off of data out of Wuhan, and the data being used has held up under subsequent investigations. It does have the infection rate the models were based on, it does have the lethality rate the models were based on, and the models remain accurate in situations where social distancing was not applied and cases were emergent.
"You clearly do not understand physics. Even slow-moving object can flip if it hits obstacle under right conditions. For as long as there is enough force and a proper vector."
There would never be enough "force" or "vector" in a crowd of people to flip a slow-moving bus. The only way that a bus would flip like that is if there were something significantly sturdier and smoother than a mass of people, like an actual ramp, applied to only one corner. People will just slow it down.
"Its not a movie or game where you can just mow down zombies in hundreds."
But neither is it a movie of a video game in which any random collision results in the vehicle doing a backflip (which in movies typically requires springs, mounted explosives, or cables).
"And... ? Majority of areas are below that average, as few areas are far above it. This is how averaging works."
Keep reading. . . It is way below the average AND it has all the conditions that would put it ABOVE that average if they were not behaving effectively. If some tiny town in the middle of nowhere is below the average, that is no surprise, there are plenty of reasons why no outbreak would occur there. When a major, international city with known outbreaks is way below the average, there is a reason for that beyond random chance. If you cannot accept that very simple premise then I cannot accept that you are acting in good faith.
"And it has. For three months. If you think that it will take it a year to reach it peak infection rate, then you are a moron."
Again, depends on social distancing. If we'd done nothing, it would have reached its peak in most places over the previous and following months. Because of social distancing, the peak has flattened out for now, but is likely to plateau for many months to come. If we stop social distancing, we might reach that peak within the next couple months again, but, again, at much higher infection and fatality rates.
"Simple fact is that most people already got it and got thru it without even noticing it."
In some places, yes. In the US as a whole, you must be joking. If you actually believe that to be the case, then I am sad for you. you have a rough year ahead of you.
"No, there is not. Places with significant international exposure, population density and climate are dime a dozen. Bay Area is not some unique hub for travel, all roads do not lead to SF."
That's my point. It's not unique. It has a similar profile to major cities like LA, NYC, DC, NO, Chicago, Seattle, etc.,*and yet* it has maintained a MUCH lower Infection rate. It is WAY below the US average, and while obviously large portions of the US would be below that average, common sense would indicated that the low end of that average would be made up of communities with smaller, more isolated communities that have has few incoming cases. They aren't "below the average for a major metropolitan area," they are "below the average that includes the middle of Kansas." It's also worth keeping in mind that this is based on imperfect testing. The Bay Area has had more testing than most areas, so what cases they do have, included on that graph, would more accurately reflect the reality of their situation, whereas a lot of other communities "below the average" have seen little to no actual testing, so their actual rates, not reflected on that chart, would trend significantly higher.
"That study from Stanford, where they tested people and a huge amount of people were found to already having antibodies for virus, without actually being officially infected, kinda shows how little we know about this virus. Or how (in)effective those "counter-measures" are."
I think you misunderstand what is happening there. Those people had been infected, they just did not display symptoms. That's one of the things that makes this virus so dangerous, that people can "look fine" but still be contagious. Ebola, by contrast, is a lot less risky as a pandemic, since if you have enough Ebola going on to be infectious, you look like a hot mess and are easily contained.
"No, hes not. In fact every next president tends to trash a lot of what previous president started. Obama joined Paris Agreement, Trump said "fuck that". Dances around taxes is a goof example as well - democrat rises them, republicans slash them."
They can try to change things, but typically that takes an act of Congress, and some things are easier to manage than others. Again, the President can't just decide to ignore previous budgets, they can only take action to change them. In many cases, backing out of a previous deal costs more than staying in it.
"Here we go again. Every president, on both sides, has given ground and helped banksters. Yet some morons still try to pile it all on Republicans."
Because when it happens during a Democratic president, he only did it because Republicans in Congress held major priorities hostage if he didn't agree to those changes, like when they try to shut down the government unless they get their way. It's always the Republicans that get the ball rolling, all Democrats have ever been guilty of is not stopping them when something more immediate was needed.
"No. Period. Once government gets involved, it will always go downhill. At first it may seem good, but further it goes, worse it will get."
Lol, government is the only hope we have against the corporations. They may not be perfect, but they're all we've got. Even you agree with that, noting that government hasn't done enough to thwart the big bangs and Wall Street. Well, without any government intervention, there would be even less standing in their way.
"No. Again. This mindset is exactly what causes those problems. At first those businesses are doing whatever they want. and avoid paying taxes. But when things get hard, they just expect taxpayers to bail them out. It always seem to go in one direction."
I agree, but it's still better to bail them out than to allow them to collapse, in some cases, at least. Now that doesn't mean that you should let them just go back to business as usual, there should be iron strings attached to those bailouts to limit their ability to do it all again. The Democrats imposed some of those onto the most recent bailouts, and wanted to impose more, but the Republicans fought them on it tooth and nail, and nothing could get passed without passing the Senate.
I have zero sympathy for the businesses themselves, but a lot of innocent people would get caught in the crossfire if they were just allowed to implode, and the rich people who build, invest in, and run those businesses would walk away with millions either way, so allowing the business to die would not be punishing them in any practical way.
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@RidgeRunner-lz5ko When Democrats spend on things, it's on things that benefit America more than the costs involved. That is a good thing, like taking out a mortgage to remodel the house and increase its value. There is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that we then need to pay those bills, and yet any time Republicans gain enough control over the process, they cut taxes on the wealthy, so that less money goes in to pay off those debts than was coming in before.
During the 50s and 60s, when America was on the rise, the corporate tax rate was around 50%. It's now less than half that, so half as much money is going in to pay off that debt. Likewise, the top tax rate, which only impacts those making half a million each year, dropped from 91% to 37%, and doesn't even cover a lot of the ways rich people currently make their money. So that's why the national debt has risen, Republicans refuse to pay America's bills.
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@crazysquirrel9425 Again though, those are owed to the people of that state, not to the state itself. In America, government is people, by the people, for the people. "A city" does not get to decide anything, the people of that city get to decide. A state does not get to decide anything, the people of that state get to decide. It is a representative form of government, so the people choose people to represent them, but if they lose that right, if the people in government do not fairly represent them, then that is tyranny, plain and simple. Now representation does not mean that you will always get what you want, it only means that you have as much of a say in the outcome as any other single person. Cases in which two people say "no" to you is not tyranny against you.
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@dylanharnettmarshall9700 Well, first, the mandate side is not his ENTIRE position, so even if someone agrees that mandates should not exist, that does not mean that RFK Jr is cleared of being a nutbar.
Second, name me one vaccine that is actually mandated. One in which there are no exemptions, no options, you are absolutely forced to take it or jailed.
Three, Have you ever heard the term "no shirt, no shoes, no service?" Same applies to vaccination. If someone does not want to get vaccinated, that is their business. If that person wants to engage in polite society, then they will have to meet certain minimum standards of safety. If they want to drive, they will need a license and follow road rules. If they want a home, they will have to meet various building and property management codes. If they want to ride on a plane, or be hired by a company, they will need to follow the rules that these companies believe keep their other employees safe. If they don't want to follow those rules, they don't need to access those privileges.
One would have to be a fool to point to the recent pandemic as an example of "this working poorly." The countries that took pandemic safety and vaccine adoption more seriously than the US did saw MUCH lower death rates over the course of it. I would view that as a total win for mandates, wouldn't you? Frankly, if someone agreed with me about anti-vaxers and yet took the stand that vaccine mandates are a bad thing, then I would view them as morally worse than the anti-vaxers, since they should at least know better, and are choosing evil.
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@stevemahoney1733 No, that's what's called a "false equivalency." Knives have all sorts of practical purposes, and present far less of a risk than guns. Even in countries where guns have been outlawed, knife crimes account for far fewer deaths than guns do in the US. I think you do make a good argument though that access to opioids should be more controlled than they have been.
And no, there is no FBI or DOJ data indicating that civilian gun use stops any crime. Those agencies are prevented from accumulating such data due to a bill passed by Republicans in the 90s, presumably because those Republicans thought that scientific studies into the topic would be too good for guns.
Also, gun laws on a city level will never be effective, because people can just drive ten minutes outside those cities, buy a gun in a gun shop, and return to that city without every having to cross a border check. "There is gun violence in cities" is not a rational argument against national gun control, it's an excuse from idiots, for idiots.
Also, Texas's homicide rate spiked massively when they recently reduce their gun control laws. The areas where they have lots of guns and not "as much" gun violence are just due to them being places with low population density, so fewer people are getting into conflict there. On a per capita basis, you're actually much safer in a city than you are in a rural area, but since 80% of the country lives in cities, a high amount of the gun deaths happens there too.
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@nibiru9035 Of course there's proof of a deterred crime. You have a filed police report that someone tried to do a crime, and you prevented it.
If you're talking about "magical crime prevention," the idea that just the thought that a gun might exist reduces crime, well we have definitive proof against that idea. The US murder rate is four times higher than any other first world nation, even though we have 2-100 time as many guns. If the theory worked that "having guns around" actually reduced crime, then the US would be the safest place on Earth, with a murder rate a fraction as much as, say, the UK or Germany. Since it is instead 4 times higher, clearly guns do not have this "magical crime prevention" effect.
And again, owning a gun makes you MORE likely to die to gun violence, not less.
And yes, some criminals will still have guns, but few LESS of them, so far LESS people will be dying. Again, the criminals that live in other first world countries are no less interested in having guns than American criminals are, so if making guns illegal won't keep them out of American criminals' hands, it would do no better to keep them out of the hand of criminals in other countries, and yet, history shows that their gun restrictions DO work, and that taking the guns out of circulation means less criminals have them too, and less murders take place.
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@nibiru9035 And if the US had better guns laws, then he never would have gotten ahold of a gun. Do you think mentally ill people have an easy time finding guns in countries with strict gun laws? Do you think that if gangs have a small stockpile of weapons, they would happily hand one of them to a crazy person who's going to cause trouble and then get that gun confiscated? Crazy people buy guns legally from gun shops, because currently we allow this. Having an armed civilian nearby provably does not stop incidents like that. Taking the gun away from the attacker does.
Did you know that on the same day a killer in Sandy Hook killed 27 people, mostly children, using an AR-15, a guy in China went on a knifing rampage on a busy train platform, and he injured 27 people before being taken down. Take not of that, injured 27 people. None of them died. If you take their guns away, crazy people will still try to lash out, but they are MUCH less successful at it.
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@batmansboxes4936 Nobody is NOT blaming the criminals, of course they are to blame, but you can't get rid of criminals, every country has criminals, but you can make those criminals less EFFECTIVE by removing their guns. I mean, I wish you were right, I wish that there were simple solutions to this, that America's massive amount of guns somehow led to America being safe, but we know for a fact that the opposite is true, that American's guns make us LESS safe. So that being the case, do you continue to cling to fairy tales about "good guys with guns," or do you accept the reality that removing the guns would save American lives?
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@chuckles3265 People who want to murder will continue to try, they will just not be as successful at it without guns. If a mass shooting turns into a mass stabbing, then it becomes much more likely that the attacker will be caught and that the intended victims will survive the attack. There will ALWAYS be people who will want to do crimes, which is why the whole "don't blame the gun, blame the criminal" argument is idiotic. It's impossible to prevent those with criminal intent form attempting crimes. But what you can do is reduce their access to tools that make them EFFECTIVE at it.
And no, we don't need to ban all other devices that might be used as a weapon, because those are not as effective as guns. The goal is to REDUCE the amount of murders, and removing guns would provably do that. In countries like the UK and Australia that passed gun bans, their crime and murder rates dropped. Even today, they not only have fewer gun deaths than in the US, which would be expected, but also fewer knifing deaths. Their TOTAL murder rates went down. If the theory that "well if you take the guns away, criminals would just find some other method" actually applied, then when you removed guns, murder rates would remain flat. We know for a fact that this is not how it works, so that theory cannot be correct.
As for criminals getting guns, again, not true. While some criminals would still be able to get some guns, they would be able to get far LESS of them, so less harm would result. We again know this for a fact from the countries that have tried. UK criminals are no less interested in having a gun than US criminals, and yet still gun crimes are way down in the UK, so clearly criminals do not have unlimited access to guns. Most guns that criminals use in crime are either directly purchased from a law abiding gun shop, or they are directly purchased from someone who bought that gun in a legal gun sale, or they are stolen from someone who legally purchased their gun. If you remove all those legal paths to trade and transport guns, then it becomes MUCH harder for a criminal to gain access to one, especially the more amateur criminals like mass shooters, revenge murderers, and junkies looking to mug someone. Black markets will still exist, but with much more limited supply, and much harder for a person to find.
These are the absolute facts as shown by previous cases in which it has been done. These facts might make you angry, because you really WANT the facts to be on the side of guns, but I'm sorry, the facts are on the side of life, instead.
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@chuckles3265 I'm for any reasonable steps that are available that would reduce the number of guns out there in the world. It doesn't have to be "all or nothing," and we should never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I can see a reasonable purpose for some access to hunting rifles, and if low-capacity hunting rifles were the only guns available then I think that the amount of crime done with them would be a tiny fraction of what currently takes place. I also see a place for sport shooting, but feel that such guns could be stored entirely in secure facilities, rather than in people's homes.
I see no particular justification for having personal possession of guns in the home, much less on someone's person during a normal day. The theory is that this somehow makes people "more safe," but the evidence does not bear this out, as gun ownership increases the odds of someone dying from a gun, and even though the US has far more guns than any other country, we also have a higher murder rate, which is the opposite of the result if it were true that guns in any way increased public safety. It would be like claiming that covering yourself in meat is a good way to prevent shark attacks.
I don't think that there is any valid purpose for civilians to own handguns (again, outside of the exclusive possession of a secured shooting range).
As for mental health, sure, we could always do with better mental health education and access, that'd be great. I don't think it's the defining issue here though, as while some countries handle mental health better than the US does, it's far from universal even among other first world countries, and I don't believe there is any direct correlation between quality mental health and lowered homicide rates. We do know that in countries that banned firearms and assault weapons there were direct reductions in homicide rates shortly afterward though, so that is a much more clear correlation.
so it's not an "either or" thing, sure do better on mental health issues, and that would help, but plenty of gun violence has nothing to do with mental illness, so that's only a small part of the problem. Getting the guns off the street would have a much stronger benefit.
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@chuckles3265 And yet "responsible gun owners" perpetuate the access of guns to irresponsible people. I don't think that heirloom guns should have to be turned over or anything, but I think that ideally you might have to store them in a secure facility. As I said a while back though, when people talk about gun laws, a common response is "so you're going to try and confiscate my guns? Good luck!" and my response is always that I think this would be counterproductive. I think that it's better to make the sale, possession, and transport of those guns illegal, but never to specifically target anyone for already being in ownership of a gun, I think that would just lead to more violence than necessary. So in practical terms, if you own heirloom guns, then so long as you kept them properly stored, you would be able to keep them, and they would only become an issue if you got in trouble with the law for completely different reasons and they were found in a lawful search of your property.
And as I said, there's nothing wrong with having target shooting at secure shooting ranges. Of course if all you're interested in is shooting with the family, airsoft guns are fine for that. You don't need weapons that can kill someone to target shoot.
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@stevemahoney1733 Of course tyrannical government causes me concern, which is why I don't vote tyrants into office. But I live in a democratic republic, and the point of that is that the government is representative of the people. So love as we don't elect in people who would throw out the results of elections that they don't like, or gerrymander stats so that minority rule happens, or throw insurrections when they don't get the election results they want, we don't need to worry about "government tyrants," because we won't have any. Again, this isn't some hypothetical situation, there are already dozens of countries in the world that have far fewer guns than the US, and are MUCH safer for it, and yet are no less free and fair than the US is. Tyranny happens when a populous is willing to accept it, it has nothing to do with how many guns people have.
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@mharris5047 Hunting is a valid purpose, and there can be limited exemptions for that, even in Japan a hunter is allowed a hunting rifle, but that limited purpose would in no way justify the reckless access to guns currently available in the US. And besides, even hunting is more of a casual sport than a necessity in modern life, bullets cost more than meat at this point.
And no, guns do not provide self defense, owning a gun makes you MORE likely to die, not less.
While I believe America would be better off if practically all guns were unavailable to civilians, I don't believe in an "all or nothing" approach, so any reasonable steps forward that can be taken are fine by me. So long as a new regulation provides some benefit and does not take away existing protections, I'm fine with that, better laws can come later as more boomers die of old age. There is just so much better that we can be doing right now.
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@DeathlordSlavik It's a myth that guns are "often used in self defense." People just feel more comfortable with a gun in their hand, waving it around like a maniac, whether it makes them safer or not. There was an Air Force Veteran in Texas a couple years back that was using his gun in self defense, and was murdered by another guy who was claiming to be using self defense, was convicted of it, and might get pardoned of the murder by the Texas Governor. Both of them had guns, both of them were "suing them defensively," neither would be dead and neither in jail if neither of them had had guns.
Look, people can claim that guns can be used defensively all they want, but they need to back it up with evidence that this actually WORKS. The US has more guns than ANYONE ELSE. If "guns as a defense" actually WORKED, then the US would be the safest country on the planet. Instead, we have a murder rate 4 times other first world nations. How would that work if guns make people safer?
And no, "demographics" has nothing to do with it. Don't buy into that mess, it's just a racist dogwhistle. Plenty of the other first world countries with lower crime rates have complex "demographics," they just have fewer guns. Most of the people who murder people with guns are white anyway. Murder is more likely to occur in urban areas than rural, because people are more densely packed and more likely to come into immediate contact, but plenty of murders happen in rural areas too, it's not like rural people are just "better" somehow.
And I don't agree that a country is somehow "less free" if they are mean to you if you commit violence on your neighbors. "The freedom to shoot others" is not a freedom that I respect or care about. I care about the other freedoms, like fair elections, free speech, anti-discrimination laws, etc., and the other first world countries are no less free than the US in any way that matters.
Also, you appear to MASSIVELY misunderstand Franklin's quote. If we were to apply what he actually meant to gun control, then his argument would be that YOU are the one sacrificing the long term freedom that comes from a nation without guns, in exchange for the short-sighted "freedom" that you feel when you have a gun in your possession. You are trading away ACTUAL safety in exchange for a false sense of security, which is EXACTLY what Franklin was against.
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@DeathlordSlavik Again, IF "guns are good for defense" ACTUALLY worked then the US would be the safest country on the planet.
It IS NOT.
If that ever changes, THEN you can start claiming that guns somehow make people safer, but the evidence indicates that in any country that once had more guns than they do today, removing the guns made them MORE safe, never less.
And no rural people are not safer "because they are armed." Plenty of murders still happen in rural areas, just SLIGHTLY less due to the density of the population there. If you took the entire population of Chicago, and you then took the entire population of the rural areas surrounding Chicago so that you included the exact same amount of people, and you swapped their homes 1:1, so the urban people now lived in the country and the country people now lived in the city, the crime rates in the two areas would stay exactly the same.
"Not having guns wouldn't give us "safety" just slavery."
Lol, most people grow out of that edgy BS by high school. xD PLEASE grow up before engaging in a serious conversation like gun control.
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@DeathlordSlavik All the areas in the country where guns are allowed are still much less safe than countries where they are not. If a criminal has to choose between a target that he knows has a gun verses one that he knows is unarmed, would he choose the latter? Probably, that's a very child-like logic puzzle. But you also have to consider that when a nation makes guns illegal, criminals are much less likely to have guns, so people are much less likely to be a victim of a gun. And if everyone had guns, then that wouldn't mean criminals would be less likely to do crimes, it just means they would be more careful about shooting first. That's the thing, a criminal might avoid people they know to be armed, but if they intend to attack someone who might be armed, they will be much less hesitant to shoot. If they even think you might have a gun, they will shoot first, ask questions later. This is also what leads to much higher police shootings in the US than in other countries.
You present a simple scenario, but the real world is not that simple.
As for the Urban/rural divide, while the death rate in urban areas is 20% higher than in urban areas, you are right that if we ONLY count homicides, the murder rate in urban areas is higher. It's really not by that much though.
And not, they do not have "totally different values," they just have different population densities. Again, you seem to have bought into all the old tired racist dog whistles, hook, line, and sinker.
"Nothing edgy about what I said it is just a simple fact and crying about it wont help you."
Lol.Do you have a vampire cape on when you say things like that? Are the lights out so that you can brood in the shadows? XD
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@DeathlordSlavik No, again, it is more dangerous to live in a purely urban US area than in a country with better gun control. Sorry.
And again, criminals will choose the safest available ways to do crime, but there is no point at which they just go "well, crime is too dangerous, I guess I won't crime now, ./shrug." They will do crimes anyway. So the more guns are out there, yes, the more risk for them, but also, the more risk for their victims, because the more risk the criminal takes on when doing a crime, the less careful they are to not harm the victim.
And yes, without guns, criminals will just use other tools to commit their crimes, and as a result, murder rates go WAY down. On the same day that someone killed 27 people in Sandyhook using a rifle, a man went on a knifing rampage in China and injured 27 people. Let me repeat that, injured 27 people, not one life was lost, because knives are just a much less efficient killing tool than guns.
In countries like the UK that got rid of large sectors of their guns, their overall crime rate didn't go away, but it didn't get worse either, people switched to other weapons, and those other weapons caused less death.
Most of your other arguments seem to be fairy tales invented by the Faux News to explain the world around their audience. "Oh, California decriminalized crime, and the majority of people shot by police brought it on themselves," Lol. I'd hate for you to find out Santa isn't real.
I'm glad that you at least agree that people in urban areas have better values than those in rural areas, given their voting trends. So see, take away the density and they would most likely have considerably less crime, if anything.
"Can't counter what I said so you cry about things being edgy just like how you cry about things being racist. Seems that is all you do when you encounter points that you have no counter for that or you just straight up ignore the points and redirect to something else."
Oh, this is just adorable. xD
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@DeathlordSlavik You do realize that plenty of people still do crime even in countries that are complete warzones and everything is violent, right? People don't do crime "because it's easy," they do crime because they don't see any alternative in their life, because they don't want to starve and be homeless, but can't get any legal work that would pay their rent. Crime is directly correlated to poverty, not to "laziness."
So, again, making crime more risky will not in any way deter crime, if that were true then you would expect crime to have shot up in places that once had guns and then banned them, but that did not happen. All that changes if you make crime riskier is that it causes the criminals to take LESS risks, by shooting first and asking questions later, rather than taking the chance that their intended victim might be armed.
And again, while it is impossible to stop ALL murders, murder rates PROVABLY do go down, since "other tools" are just not as efficient as guns. You can run from a knife, you can block a knife, there are plenty of ways to handle an attacker with a knife that just don't apply to one with a gun. A gun can produce lethal wounds on dozens of people in the time it would take for a knife to cause maybe a couple of wounds that aren't likely to be fatal. You can kill with a knife, but the odds are against it.
So if you have a dozen wannabe murders, and all of them have no trouble buying an AR-15 at a gun shop (as is currently the case), then they can kill a total of dozens, if not hundreds of victims. If, on the other hand, you have those same wannabe murderers, and they have no legal access to guns, then maybe one or two of them can find some sort of illegal gun to use, and cause a few murders that way, and maybe the rest would use knives or bats or whatever other devices they could cobble together, but most of those would probably fail to kill anyone, or at most 1-2, instead of dozens. You can't prevent all murders, but you can save the lives of THOUSANDS by removing the guns as an option.
And you present another fairy tale, the "good guys with a gun" that stop crimes in progress. More gunmen have been stopped by unarmed civilians than have been stopped by other civilians with guns, even in areas where some of the people around were armed. I know the cowboy hero fantasy is fun and all, but please grow out of it, because it doesn't actually make any sense in the real world.
You claim that the values of city people don't make sense, and yet the Tennessee legislature voted to ban drag shows and kick out two black elected representatives (from urban areas) for speaking out of turn, but have NOT yet acted to do anything about the six people murdered using guns in their state. Most of those Tennessee representatives were put there by rural people, because that is how the state is gerrymandered. Rural people could not have a lower ground to be standing in.You're just fine with that, because the swamp is your home.
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@JacobAnawalt I think that in the case of many police involved shootings, the officer was so some degree in the wrong. Not all of them, but there are plenty of cases in which the suspect was unarmed, no threat to the officer, and yet still got shot. Those are the sorts of stories that tend to make the news, because they are the ones in which an injustice has taken place. The stories in which the criminal was clearly armed and dangerous and the shooting was entirely justified don't tend to be considered "news," because nothing unexpected happened there. Dog bites man.
And we do also know from various trials and the open admission of officers that they often plant weapons on shot suspects where possible. Again, this is not every time, but it does happen, so any claim that a suspect was armed needs to be taken with a grain of salt. It would be nice if that weren't the case, but this is the world we live in.
I don't entirely blame police for shooting first and asking questions later, they almost have to, because in the US there is such a high likelihood that a suspect WILL be armed. If they have "an object" on them, it could easily be a gun, and better an innocent suspect dead than the officer, right? But it doesn't have to be that way, in countries that have fewer guns, officer-involved shootings are WAY down.
I don't excuse any criminal who shoots anyone, police or otherwise, they deserve to be held 100% accountable for their own actions, but only punishing the criminals after the fact will NEVER reduce gun violence in this country. Yes, the criminal is responsible for his own actions, but anyone who helped him to get that gun was an accomplice in his actions, and they deserve to be held accountable as well.
Now as for Ukraine, they are at war right now. The Ukrainian government handed out a ton of rifles in the month or two leading up to the war. If the US mainland ever came under threat of invasion, and the US military and police did not feel up to handling the problem, they would have NO trouble issuing M-4s to any civilian willing to fight, and getting them distributed before ANY foreign power could mobilize in force on US soil. There is ZERO need for American civilians to already be armed for war during peacetime.
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@DeathlordSlavik And yet crime in rural areas is not that much lower than in urban areas. Again, it's not that urban people are somehow "worse" in any way than rural people, they are just packed closer together. Take a dozen crabs and put them in a 100ft pen, they aren't likely to fight. Put the same crabs in a bucket, and they might tussle. Really, if anything, if rural people weren't worse than urban people, on average, then there would be a lot less crime in rural areas than there is.
It's also important to point out that the poverty rate in rural areas is not much lower than in urban areas.
And no, we know from actually trying it that "increasing risk" only deters crime so much. You want to have some risk in the system, just to give some incentive to not do it, but the more you squeeze on that balloon, the bigger the other side gets, crime WILL still occur, ALWAYS. There is no level at which you can just make crime stop happening. We're well past that point in the US already.
And we do know that removing the guns DOES, IN ABSOLUTE FACT, reduce the overall murder rate, because, again, it has been tried. Both the UK and Australia reduced access to guns, and as a result, gun crimes went way down, but also ALL murder went down. Knife crimes and other types of murders did not go up to the same level that gun crimes previously filled. Again, there will always be criminals, criminals will always try to do crimes, but without guns, criminals will FAIL far more often.
Btw, I did find some good examples of "defensive gun use." A week or so ago, a Kansas City man shot a young man twice for the crime of ringing the wrong doorbell. A few days ago, an upstate New York woman was shot and killed for the crime of pulling into the wrong driveway to turn around. Just yesterday, a Texas cheerleader was shot for the crime of accidentally trying to enter the wrong car in a parking lot, realizing her mistake and returning to the correct vehicle, and accidentally catching the car owner's bullets as he fired at the several cheerleaders in the car with her. Than God we have guns to save responsible gun owners like these. And that was just within the past week.And all of these were in "rural areas."
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@DeathlordSlavik Again, I'd already countered those, there was nothing left to argue because they were not valid points. You demanding that I counter them does not make them valid.
Did you look into the story with the six year old that got shot? If he had not had a gun, he would not likely have caused as much harm as he did. The same applies to the several other shootings that have happened this week alone. Again, removing guns wouldn't prevent ALL harm in the world, but it would certainly REDUCE the harm caused. I believe I already told you about the case of the man in China where, the same day the Sandyhook shooting killed 27 people, this man in China went on a similarly deranged rampage in China, but since he only had a knife instead of a gun, he injured 27 people, but killed ZERO. It is just much easier to avoid, disable, or survive a knife than a gun.
If "Defense against criminals" were a valid reason for it, then the US would have a lower crime rate than other first world countries. Instead it is higher, even in rural areas. There is NO evidence that American access to guns in ANY way makes ANY Americans more safe than without them.
"Defense against rioters" is not an issue, people have nothing to fear from rioters. America has more of a problem with gun owners causing harm to protesters than it does with gun owners needed to fight "rioters."
"Defense against government" is also a non-issue in the US. We have the ballot box for that. "The government" IS the people in this country. If at some point that changes, and the US military is turned against the people, America's civilian gun owners would be ZERO defense against that, because the capabilities of the US military far overwhelm idiots with their toys. Besides which, if the government ever did become authoritarian, it seems more likely that the gun owners would side with them, rather than against them. I mean, say the Jan 6th insurrection had actually worked and Donald Trump were still in office on Jan 21st, do you really imagine America's gun owners rising up to depose him?
And "defense against invaders" is also irrelevant, because we already have the strongest military on Earth, and the most well armed police forces on Earth, and even if an invading force were somehow able to overwhelm both of those, it would still take months for ANY military on Earth to mobilize against the US mainland, which we would see coming and have time to prepare, allowing the US military to pass out M4s to anyone who wanted one. If Ukraine had time to do this when Russia is right down the road from them, why do you believe the US military would be incapable of doing so?
So that's four attempts to justify civilian gun ownership, not one of them passes muster.
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@stevemahoney1733 I don't believe in news with "sides." I believe in news that is ACCURATE. The middle point between "accurate" and "biased" is still biased. If you take two biased accounts, there is no way to guess where the truth lies, it could be anywhere in between.
I would not object to "defending decorum," if the punishment fit the crime. Expulsions from the legislature are pretty rare, and generally only accompanied by actual CRIMES taking place, not just "general rudeness." If those same standards were applied in the US congress and applied fairly, then half the Republican delegation would have been kicked out already.
And again, citing the source you did as "potentially useful" casts serious doubt on your judgement. Have you ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? Are you aware that most people believe they are of above average intelligence? Do you understand the problem with that statement?
1. There were no false allegations made against any SCOTUS nominees. Which ones do you believe were false?
2. The Republican majority in the Tennessee statehouse determined for themselves that the accusations had merit, and issued a censure. That was his "trial," in so far as the legislature rules provide. There was no actual court case to it. Similar to Trump's impeachments, while they agreed that he did the crime he was accused of, they decided to not punish him for it, while they later decided that speaking out against guns on the legislature floors was grounds for expulsion. They clearly care more about guns than they do that representatives female employees, and this comes as a surprise to no one.
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@stevemahoney1733 But the "source" you provided wasn't any source of news, it was a source of propaganda. That has no value, it is not a "counter" to a fact-based argument. If you had cited a source that was legitimate then that would be something else entirely, but don't come to me with "look at this crazy person I found on the street, he agrees with me, so what do you have to say about that?!"
I say that you are exactly where you started, making an argument with no basis in reality.
I get that it feels nice to listen to people who tell you that what you believe is right. You want to believe something, and they are happy to tell you that it's true. It's like a warm hug. But we live in a real world, and the facts won't always agree with what you want them to be. It's time to put aside childish things, and to live in that real world, where the right wing has been steadily moving further and further away from the facts, and into their own bubbles of delusion. there is NOTHING of value in those bubbles, it's not "half a truth that is important to understand," it is just complete nonsense. It's dividing by zero.
Again, the material was not right wing "because it challenged the left wing narrative," it was right wing because the source YOU cited is a pure right-wing propagandist. ALL he provides is fictional accounts designed to appeal to conservatives. You will find no truth there. It has nothing to do with "the left," it ONLY has to do with reality.
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@zeitgeistzebra If they are civil service then they are just hired and fired like normal works, not appointed, not elected. They just go to work and do their jobs like millions of other civil servants. If they abuse their power or overreach then they get fired. There are always risks to such things, and it's fair to point them out, but not to pretend they occur in a vacuum. The risks this poses are less than the risks of doing nothing and allowing misinformation to spread without opposition.
An actual scientific debate takes place mainly between scientists with knowledge in the field, using actual collected data. A truly talented amateur who has actual data to support his theories could also contact the other scientists privately, such as by sending an email. They discuss amongst themselves and release peer reviewed papers to express their conclusions. If they can't convince other experts in their field that their idea have validity, then there is no value to trying to convince the public of it.
As for "the fate of the Internet," the kooks likely will scurry off to whichever part of the Internet will have them, and that's fine. Better there than interacting with polite society. That would mean less chance of "rabbit holes" where somewhat normal people are exposed to lunatic positions and become more and more radicalized. The smaller these people's reach, the better, right?
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@ItsJustMe-nq1dg Joe Biden, March 24, 2021:
". . . In addition to that, there’s about five other major things she’s handling, but I’ve asked her, the VP, today — because she’s the most qualified person to do it — to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle and the countries that help — are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border. . . .
"And so, this increase has been consequential, but the Vice President has agreed — among the multiple other things that I have her leading — and I appreciate it — agreed to lead our diplomatic effort and work with those nations to accept re- — the returnees, and enhance migration enforcement at their borders — at their borders."
She was meant to deal with their borders, not ours.
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Joe Biden, March 24, 2021:
". . . In addition to that, there’s about five other major things she’s handling, but I’ve asked her, the VP, today — because she’s the most qualified person to do it — to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle and the countries that help — are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border. . . .
"And so, this increase has been consequential, but the Vice President has agreed — among the multiple other things that I have her leading — and I appreciate it — agreed to lead our diplomatic effort and work with those nations to accept re- — the returnees, and enhance migration enforcement at their borders — at their borders."
She was meant to deal with their borders, not ours.
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@no.6243 Look, I know that you've been fed a tall tale by the Faux News, but you owe yourself to look it up yourself. The US gas prices were at their lowest levels before Trump took office, remained relatively stable until spring of 2020, and then started climbing until Jun 2022, when they started to level off again. It had little to do with who the Us president was at the time, since US gas prices are not determined by White House policy, they are determined by the global oil price.
Likewise, US oil production took off in mid 2011 thanks to Obama era policies, and continued at roughly that same pace all through his and Trump's terms, until the industry chose to cut production in spring of 2020. The growth in oil production was actually lower between 2017 and 2020 than it had been between 2011 and 2015.
All the US can really do is either A: beg the Saudis to increase production, which may or may not work depending on their interests at the time, and B: dip into the petroleum reserve, which can work to correct short term supply imbalances, but is bad long term policy.
The only thing a US president could do to significantly change the cost of gasoline would be to nationalize the US oil industry and require them to ONLY sell their oil to domestic retailers, because otherwise they will just sell it to whoever is willing to pay the going rate.
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Just to brainstorm a flow battery car, why not combine flow and normal batteries? Have a small scale LI battery that can be used to "super boost" the car, allowing for high acceleration, but use the flow battery for low acceleration situations. The LI battery could even be charged by the flow battery. That shouldn't be too hard to manage if the tech works. And as for fueling stations, they wouldn't need new fuel piped in, at least not in huge volumes, because you'd be "trading" fuel. You'd be pumping charged fuel into the car, yeah, but you'd also have to pump spent fuel out of the car, and the fueling station could recharge that spent fuel to make it fresh again. You'd be trading their ability to constantly pump electricity off the grid for the car having to store energy on the go. They might lose some total fuel over time, but would need to be topped off much less often than a gas station.
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@randallhughes5687 You don't seem to understand what those words mean. Allow me to explain. A democracy is any form of government in which the power is ultimately derived from the people. A Republic is a representative form of government in which the representation is derived from the people. If the leaders in a nation are not derived from the people, then it cannot be called a republic.
I think the misunderstanding you're having, which seems to be common among the poorly informed, is that when you use the term "democracy," you refer to a direct democracy, which, like a republic, is only one form a democracy might take. In a direct democracy, each issue is voted on directly by the populous, and that is not what we typically have in the US, but that does not make the US any less of a democracy. The only thing easy here is how often you outwit yourself.
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@danielwebb8402 Oh, this is just a massive misunderstanding about what "authoritarianism" means. It does not mean "someone tells me what to do." It means "someone tells me what to do and I have no say in the process." You can have democratic communism, which is very different than authoritarian communism. The problem with the communist governments in history were that they were built around authoritarian power structures that funneled power and authority to elites at the top. That is a problem with authoritarian power systems, not with communism, and really isn't even technically "communism" by the definition of the term, it was just a misuse of the term. Cuba is also an example of an authoritarian version, largely as an offshoot of the Soviet model that dominated the middle 20th Century.
If, on the other hand, the people can freely vote, freely elect people to represent those interests, then it is not an issue. Everyone would be required to contribute, but the systems to manage those people and determine how they contribute would be in the hands of the people.
Personally, I don't favor a fully communist system but it is still highly misunderstood, largely due to the influence that Russia and China have had on the conversation.
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@SirAlric82 Plenty of non-communist countries have also devolved into totalitarian dictatorships, like Mussolini's Italy, or Hitler's Germany. Even the US had a brush with that a couple years back. Also, the meme that "communism killed more people" is a bit nonsense, don't make a fool of yourself by spreading it. Authoritarian killed those people, not communism, and authoritarianism is the big killer.
The point is, communism is an economic model, not a political model. Most of the states you discussed were some degree of communist politically and some amount of authoritarianism politically. It was the authoritarianism that got them into trouble. Full on communism has never been fully implemented on a national scale, and is probably impractical at that level, but there are plenty of socialist nations out there that are doing as well or better than their less socialist neighbors. Successful countries tend to be a balance of factors, not fully one thing or another.
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@SirAlric82 So your argument is that even though "their ideology" has never been attempted before, "their ideology" must suck because other ideologies with the same name failed? That makes total sense.
I don't think it was at all a coincidence that so many communist countries went bad. I think that it was geopolitics. I think that the first communist country was Soviet Russia, and that most other countries in the early 20th Century were rabidly anti-communist, to the point that they elected people like Hitler and Mussolini to keep the communists out. any country that did attempt to go communist was ruthlessly crushed by outside powers as best they could be. This meant that what communist countries did emerge tended to be politically aligned with Soviet Russia, at least in their formative years, and as they say, "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas." No communist nation has yet formed that was not ideologically founded on Soviet Russia as a base, and that is no communism at all.
It's also worth pointing out that many of the capitalist nations that the west supported in the Cold War were no less authoritarian and harmful to their own public than the Soviets. It was the right call to make at the time from a geopolitical standpoint, but no basis on which to judge the efficacy or fairness of a political ideology.
As to your second point, there is no political system on Earth that can allow people to say "no, I don't want to do that." No nation in the world functions like that. Everyone must follow the rules of the nation they are in or face punishment for it. The difference between a good nation and a bad one are that in a good nation the rules and punishments are both faith and supported by the people in general, but there will always be some who would prefer not to follow them.
Here's a simple example of how it works. Say you have an apartment of nine people, and it's gotten a bit messy. The majority of the roomates agree that they would prefer it cleaner. Now, you could go with anarchy, anyone who wants o clean can, and anyone who doesn't has no obligation. That would only lead to the lazy people doing no work and the more responsible ones taking on an undue burden. You could go with authoritarianism, one person dictates who cleans what, forcing everyone else into compliance (and realistically giving himself a lighter load, although that is not strictly necessary). And then there would be the democratic communist approach, which is that everyone discusses among themselves what the chore schedule should be and votes on the outcomes, such that some of the lazier ones might not want to do their assigned task, but they are required to do so by the consensus of the group, everyone does their fair share, everyone shares the benefit of a cleaner apartment. What is "authoritarian" about that?
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@tolowokere Well so my point as regards to parents is that the ONLY points of contention in this matter are cases in which the parents are not putting the best interests of the child in mind, while the schools are, and bills like these seek to prevent the schools from helping those children. It's possible that an individual at a school might also fail a child, but there are far more checks and balances to that process than there are with individual parents. A teacher that oversteps in these regards are far more likely to be caught and punished than a parent is, and teachers are far more likely to be responsible individuals, since they have sought out and trained for this profession. There are many good parents out there, but also plenty of people who just ended up with that role, so on average, teachers are better equipped for this stuff.
"I'm not sure what else to tell you; I can only be the bearer of bad news."
that doesn't answer my question though, why do so many people in this thread say things like "small children should not be taught about sexual behaviors," as though there is any effort to do otherwise? It seems like they are implying that there IS some effort to discuss such things with small children.
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@Zoetherat If you wanted to be taken seriously, then you should have come up with a more believable story than the "brainwashing liberal college" nonsense.
I will also point out that you can be black and also support white supremacists. Being "a thing" does not mean that your viewpoints do not support hate against your own demographic. An LGBT person who opposes the rights and acceptance of LGBT people is not somehow better, or an excuse for those who share their viewpoint to say "see, that person says what I want to hear, so you must be wrong! "
And yes, I believe that a child who identifies as trans should be affirmed. There is no harm to it. It is not a "left wing" stance, it is the stance of the medical science on the topic, and it is only political in that those on the right oppose that stance, so those on the left have no choice but to counter that opposition in favor of the children. Ideally, neither side would oppose it, but here we are.
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@tolowokere The issue is that while you list several forms of child abuse that you agree are child abuse, you left out other forms that you seem to not agree with, such as suppressing an LGBT child's identity. You may not agree on that, but it remains true regardless that the more supportive those around that child are, the more likely they are to survive to adulthood. Ideally the parent is a part of that, but if, for whatever reason, they can't be, then we should all want teachers to step up as best they can.
If a teacher reasonably believes that making a certain revelation available to a parent would lead to that student coming to harm, then they should withhold that information. It should not be their duty to spy on children for parents that may not have that child's best interests in mind.
"I provided you with a list of sexually-charged books that were in school libraries, and even assigned as homework to 12 year-olds. When I was a child, homework qualified as part of a teaching curriculum. The good news is that at least one of these controversial books (Gender Queer) has now been pulled out of high-school libraries across the country, with some exceptions like Maine. Bear in mind that this book even has cartoon panels showing characters sucking the p3nis of another character. The images weren't even blurred, nor even the sex organ completely hidden. "
High school and middle school students are not elementary school students though, which is often the goto example people keep bringing up. Don't you find that disingenuous, at best? Even thirty years ago there were references to sex in books I was assigned in high school, and in books I read in middle school. Nowadays this material is much more commonly available to students regardless of schools, so it does not shock my conscience that vague references to it might be available in older age classes.
I believe that perhaps some classes go too far, and that the time and place to address that is respectfully at school board meetings, but I feel that the rhetoric far outpaces the reality, that many of the "solutions" conservatives come up with are sledgehammers where scalpels would do, and create massive cultures of fear among teachers for even reasonable discussions, rather than only targeting the more explicit examples you reference. Do you not agree that book bans have attempted to remove books with NO explicit sexual references? Do you not agree that bills such as the one in Florida might be applied in an overly board manner, resulting in an innocent teacher having to endure significant hardship before it would be resolved?
I doubt that you'll fully agree with me on the intended outcome here, but can't you at least agree that nationwide conservatives have been taking this all much too far?
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@tolowokere " I remember saying something about a teacher casually mentioning that "Tommy has two daddies," and harshly punishing any bullying (if and when it happens), and ultimately leaving further discussions on the matter to the family. "
And that's a nice little example of something that you think would be fine with you, but that teacher could still be attacked under the new Florida bill for "not being age appropriate" or whatever. Again, the terms of the bill are extremely vague, and even if the teacher is eventually exonerated, the mere hassle of the process is enough to chill rational discussion. There need to be better checks and balances against the powers that the new law offers to parents to outright prevent abuse of it.
"I might be reaching, but I think you're talking about situations where a parent's ideals might butt heads with a child's sexuality or gender identity. If that's the case, then there really is no easy solution."
The easy solution would be to allow a teacher to step in and fill the gap. That is part of their role in society. I don't think that it would always be necessary to fully separate the parent from the child, but teachers should at least be able to counsel the child about what they're going through, or point them toward mental health professionals that could do so, and without triggering the parent into interfering. What is vital is that the child receives as much support as is possible, while causing the least disruption as can be possible. A requirement to notify the parents goes against that.
"Second, as if the last point wasn't muddy enough, severe disagreement have always existed between parents and their children (especially teenagers) even outside LGBT-related topics. A"
Yes, and historically teachers have ALWAYS served as a potential outlet for that. Not every troubled child finds a supportive teacher, but there are millions of stories of kids with a rough upbringing that have found a supportive teacher that helped to alleviate their home life issues. Why should that lifeline be pulled if the child happens to be LGBT? I don't think that teachers should have any obligation to provide aid and counsel that they might not be able to provide, but I certainly don't think that they should be prevented from doing so if they can.
"2b) Spying? If my child is caught drinking whiskey under the bleachers, or displaying some serious anti-social behavior (not just simply keeping to himself), then it is their absolutely their duty to inform me!"
I don't agree that it's an absolute duty. I think that it should be up to the teacher's discretion. IF the teacher has reason to believe that reporting the behavior would cause the student more harm than good, then I think that's a fair course of action. In general I would agree with you that it would tend to be for the best to inform the parent in such a situation, but there are certainly outliers in which it would result in more harm. To bring it back to a more relevant example, there are far more cases in which telling a parent about potential LGBT situations involving their child might trigger them into causing harm, so I believe this should always be left for the teacher to gauge what they believe the best course of action is. The teacher can't shield the child from the parents finding out on their own, but they should have no obligation to help them find out.
"3) Did I miss something?"
I feel this entire paragraph is being disingenuous in response to the topic. I have no time for it.
"b) Honestly, what on earth just happened?! If anyone had told me just five years ago that I would actually be debating whether its appropriate for minors to have access to sex-charged reading material, I would have rolled my eyes and said that it would never happen. Yet, here we are."
Same. We had far less access to sexually charged material back when I was that age, and still managed to find plenty of it, so the idea that we're still aghast at the idea in 2024 is baffling to me.
" Had they gotten those books out of the schools long ago, they would have been able to easily deal with simple smoldering embers. "
as I said, if those more explict examples existed, it was because nobody knew that they were there. How would they have "gotten them out years ago" if they didn't know?
"This scandal is the myth that should never have come true -it should have stayed a myth. With any luck, people can still bring back the "scalpel," as you put it. But, just as importantly, the sooner more schools recognize that this an actual fiasco, and not some Alex Jones inanity, the sooner they can break the momentum of specific conservative activist groups. "
Even if every point of fact you raised happens to be true, you are still blowing this WAY out of proportion. It's no "fiasco" or "crisis," it's at most some minor issues to correct over time. Nobody's been actually harmed by this, until teachers and school boards became under threat by conservative radicals.
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@tolowokere To your point 1, yes it';s vague, and no it is unlikely to be successfully challenged, because I don't believe there is anything unconstitutional about it. Laws are allowed to be vague. The only solution would be to elect fewer Republicans and get the bill changed. Yes, if a teacher is charged frivolously they can fight it, and potentially win their case, but the act of having to fight it is ITSELF a punishment for which they will receive no compensation under this law. It's basically giving bad faith parents the right to ruin any teacher's life at their own whim and with no consequences for doing so.
More importantly, the bill itself is not necessary and serves no function that is needed, which is why people opposed it, and why there is no reason to defend it.
3. You seem to be reaching back into the distant past for this one. I was talking about the last fifty to one hundred years or so. I would be shocked if you've never encountered people who speak highly of teachers they've had that helped them through a difficult time in their life. It's a fairly common occurrence. Again, teachers do not have a duty to fill this roll, but many choose to, and their students' lives have been all the better for it.
And yes, sometimes schools do fail their students, and that's sad, but that's no reason to tie their hands to PREVENT them helping where they CAN. Pointing to examples of schools that neglected their students is no argument in favor of forcing them to neglect their students.
As for cases of actual teacher abuse, do you really think this new law will do anything to change that? If a teacher is willing to commit evil acts, then they will violate this law as well. This law only has teeth against teachers who were intending to do the right thing. It should also be important to remember that parental abuse is FAR more common than teacher abuse. It happens, and should be punished when caught, but it is no excuse for attacking the entire institution of teaching.
4. I agree that if a child is in such a precarious situation, then it will likely to end poorly, and yet, unfortunately, it happens every day. And if the teacher does feel that it would be a good idea to remove the child from the parent, and they can convince protective services to do so, then perhaps they should, but sometimes there is not enough actual evidence to support that result. My point is that the teacher should have that discretion to apply their own experience and common sense to any given scenario, to use their own best judgement. Whatever the parent finds out, they can act on as they see fit, but it is not the teacher's responsibility to tell them anything that they don't already know, if the teacher does not believe that knowledge would be in the child's best interests. Again, ONLY the child's interests matter here.
To your point 5, this topic is not about you. You have to be aware of the other arguments being made from both sides of it.
6. When I was in 9th grade, around thirty years ago, one book I ended up reading off an assigned reading list was called The Persian Boy, and was about a young slave to Alexander the Great, and discussed how Alexander had sex with his male friends (as well as female). I don't recall quite how explicit it was, but for the 90s I did find that quite shocking. Even so, I don't think that was an inappropriate book for children of that age, especially now, and it certainly wasn't the most explicit material available to me by that point. I'm sure fifty years ago it would have been scandalous to have a book in which an interracial couple was depicted, but times do change.
In any case, such disagreements are relatively few and far between, exceptions, not the rule, and each case can be handled using existing methods of talking to teachers, principles, school boards, and if necessary elections to replace them, but there is no need for the sort of national outrage that has resulted, much less laws like the one in Florida. The existing systems are quite capable of handling any disagreements on curriculum.
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@tolowokere I see only a part 1, if there were additional parts. I understand the frustration.
To your first point, it would depend on how "heathcare services" would be defined. If it means discussions that the teacher and student have had around LGBT topics, then that would be a problem. If it only means actual medical procedures, then that is already covered under existing law and needs to updates. Which "healthcare services" do you believe are not already covered under existing law?
"If the parent is sure that the teachers are harming the child, and the teachers are sure that they are helping the child, then they will have to drag that out into the light. "
Again though, the one unalienable factor is not the parent, but the child. It is what is best for the child. If the parent has a plan that they think is right, and the teacher has a plan that they think is right, then neither should be required to run it by the other, they should each pursue their own plan individually. Objectively, there is no way of knowing which is the more correct path. If either results in harm, then existing mechanisms can account for that.
I think you are ignoring a large gray area in this discussion. As you have pointed out, actually removing a child is an extreme measure that can be both difficult to execute and have repercussions to the child. It would be nice if all foster care options would be better than their own parents, but that too is no guarantee, so I think you agree that this should be avoided if possible.
Can you not imagine a scenario in which an LGBT child would face emotional or even physical abuse at the hands of a parent if their true nature came to light, and yet so long as they maintain that secret, they could continue to live a relatively carefree life within that household? In such a case, would it not be better for the child to keep their head down until they become an adult and can move out and live their own life, rather than launching into that conflict as a child?
In most cases, if a teacher reports their concerns to authorities, nothing would happen, because the bar for that is extremely high. Mere suspicion that such things might happen is not enough of a justification to have a child removed from custody, but it should be enough of a justification for a teacher to not light the match. Shouldn't teachers have that much discretion? That even if they don't have enough to solve the problem, they should at least be allowed to not make it worse?
"Concerning point 3: Reaching? You made a claim on how schools "historically" have been. How was I supposed to know you were focused on 20- 30 years ago? "
Because going back 100 years would be bonkers. We got SO much wrong 100 years ago that it's impossible to sort out.
"Now, I grant there are real life heart-warming stories similar to Coach Carter or The Dead Poets Society , but I swear that there was nothing commonplace about them. "
If you had a relatively stable home life and fit in well enough, then you would personally be unlikely to bond with any teachers, but not everyone is so privileged. Do not imagine that your own life experiences are particularly relevant to other people. If you haven't experienced it yourself, and cannot empathize with those who have, then just understand intellectually that vith does occur often enough among people who need help managing their lives.
"3c) Couldn't I just as easily say the following: yes, sometimes parents do fail their children , and that's sad, but that's no reason to cut them out and PREVENT them helping where they CAN. "
Completely different scenario. Nobody is passing a law preventing parents from getting involved. If a parent is willing an able to get involved in a positive way, nobody is getting in their way.
"As for cases of actual teacher abuse, I really do think this new law will be useful in frustrating that. Laws against theft and murder have not eliminated either stealing or deliberate killing, but its consequences (among other things) certainly enter the minds of would-be perpetrators."
But the new law does not make it any easier to catch or prosecute cases of actual teacher abuse, it ignores that entirely. All the new law does is target well meaning teachers who are trying to help their students.
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@tolowokere Oh, wait, I see the part 2 now, it just didn't send me a notification for it. Let's see. . .
"To put things in perspective, what is an 8th grade math teacher going to find that detectives, child psychologists, and a search warrant won't find? "
You put WAY more faith in those systems than anyone who has even heard of those systems has for them. It is not remotely so simple as you make it out, and you should simply not discuss such topics until you have looked into them more thoroughly.
"When a child performs in a match, who are they more likely to desire praise and approval from? Ms. Parker, who happens to be their homeroom teacher, or their moms and dads?"
Ideally their parents. But if their parents are unwilling or unable to offer such praise, then a teacher is certainly far better than nothing. Nobody is arguing that a supportive parent is not the best possible scenario here, but it would be irrational to pretend that all parents are supportive. If the parent IS supportive, then there is very little chance of their interests and the teachers' coming into conflict at all.
"Children typically look forward to going home, and normally feel most at ease within their family. "
In a healthy household? Sure. But millions of children in this country have a less than ideal household environment, and you can't just ignore that this is the case. You see to have a really hard time imagining people who are different from yourself, or from what you want them to be. You state things as though they are objective certainties, when the reality is that they are just how you experienced them.
"With that in mind, a case where the child isn’t being harmed but may still have some difficulty with a parent, then resolving the issue with that parent present MUST be done"
That's between the parent and the child, but the teacher should not have to act to make that happen. If there is a scenario in which this never gets resolved until after the child leaves home and can make their own choices, that still does not mean that it can never happen, the parent is still alive, the adult child can still reach out and discuss the issue in a way that is more likely to be productive, since the child is no longer dependent on the parent.
Nothing here is preventing the child from involving the parent if they want, or the parent finding out on their own, but the teacher should not be required to force the issue if they don't believe that would likely lead to a positive outcome.
"You almost make it sound like we're talking about a power outage or poor air conditioning at a local school."
Those would be more serious concerns, sure.
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@tolowokere 1) again, I asked you to explain what "healthcare decision" you thought that school might be having with a student that is not already covered under existing laws. Can you not provide any? If not, then we can agree that the new law was not necessary here, and is only likely to be abused to call topics parents don't like "a healthcare decision." Vagueness.
2) You say it would be bad to treat the child as a football, and then propose they put the child in the middle of a field and start kicking. If the teacher believes that a direct discussion with the parent would be productive, nothing is stopping them from having one. If the child wants to bring it to the parent's attention, nothing is stopping them. But if neither believe that the parents would be willing or able to have a productive discussion on the topic, then they should not be required to involve the parent. Again, the child's best interests take precedence.
I'll put to you, how do you feel it should best be determined that a parent's knowledge of a certain situation would be more harmful to a child than helpful? By just telling them and rolling the dice?
3) Again, the system has NEVER been as efficient as you pretend it to be. It is not a perfect system in which the only two options are to "remove the child from the parent" or "allow the parent to just do whatever, I guess." As YOU argued in previous posts, there can be harm to removing a child from a parent, and it is an extremely difficult process to execute, so even if the teacher did believe that is the correct course of action, it would be extremely messy and likely to end in failure. It is NOT always the best solution.
4) You were the one that implied that referencing schools in living memory was somehow odd, and that we should be referencing pre-industrial education or something. You were bringing up private tutors!
5) why should the teacher's actions not be to their own discretion? Most things in people's lives are left to their own discretion. Anything that a teacher could do that should not be left to their discretion, such as harming a student, was already covered by existing law.
As to your second point here, yes, schools are sometimes bad, nothing about the new law would fix any of that, and if the school is unwilling or unable to help, then the children attending it would find no support there. This is sad, but outside the scope of what we're talking about. What we're talking about is the cases where the school WANTS to help, and you advocate for preventing them doing so, while I believe they should be allowed the chance.
Basically, we should be providing the most options for success here, if the parents are on board, great_. If they aren't, but the teachers can help,. _great_, let them do that!Give the kid the most options to achieve a positive outcome. If _all those options fail, then that's unfortunate, but at least we can say they had their best shot. Right?
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@tolowokere 1) that doesn't answer my question. I think we can agree that a law should not exist without some justification for it, some actual problem that has not already been solved by existing methods. So provide an example of a specific situation that exists, in which the previous laws would not resolve the situation effectively, but this new law would. What do you believe is a "health care situation" that a school might find itself in, not covered by preexisting law, but covered by this new one?
2) I disagree. Plenty of LGBT people went through their young adult life without their parents being aware of it. Parents often know very little about their teens' lives. If a teen WANTS to come out to their parents, nothing is stopping them. If they DON'T want to come out to their parents, then they have two options, to either hide everything about themselves and just live a hollow existence until they move out, OR live their full lives outside of the home but not bring it up while at home. Is there risk to that? Sure, but there are risks to basically anything worth doing. I really hope we can come to agree that teachers should never be put in a position in which they are required to INCREASE the risks to that child by telling the parents.
3) As I said several times, public schools sometimes fail their students, and in such cases, nothing about the new law would help with that. All the new law does is take the cases where the public school ISN'T failing its students and requires them to fail those students. There is no perfect outcome, you cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good. All you can do is NOT reduce the potential positive outcomes.
5c) Again, sometimes schools fail students, the new law does absolutely nothing to solve ANY of those problems. If we were discussing ways to improve schools, to make them less likely to fail, then this would be an entirely different conversation. But since we are not, all of that is completely irrelevant to the conversation we are having. In the cases where the school system is already failing the child, then unfortunately, that child is on their own, and nothing about the new law fixes that, so for the purposes of this discussion, we have to set all those cases aside, and focus ONLY on the cases in which the school system is not currently failing that student, in which they are providing some measure of support that they are not receiving at home.
This new law does nothing that would improve the outcomes for any students, so it has a gross positive value of "zero." But then we have these other cases in which the student would receive help from their school environment, and this new law would prevent that help from occurring, so that is taking a gross positive result and turning it into a gross zero result, resulting in net negative results overall. To put it more simply, it ONLY makes things WORSE than they otherwise would be. Can you present ANY scenario in which it would actually cause a practical improvement?
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@tolowokere 1) Ok, I've asked several times, and you've still yet to provide a single example of a "medical discussion" that a teacher could have with a child that they should be required to disclose to parents, and which was not already sufficiently covered under existing laws, so I can only take that to mean that there is not one, which was my point.
Do we also agree that it is bad policy to add a new law that serves no additional valid function, particularly when the vagueness of the wording could allow it to be applied in bad faith to completely unrelated situations?
3) Again, we are only talking about a case in which the child does not feel comfortable coming out to their parents. One in which the teacher also believes that this would not end well. In such a situation, why do you give neither of them the benefit of the doubt? That is two checks at play, why do you believe they would be more likely wrong than right? We know that there are plenty of cases in which this HAS gone poorly, and in almost all of them, those involved could have predicted that based on their own experiences with those parents. I think it's disingenuous to pretend that this is a situation where one should assume a positive outcome in cases where everyone who actually knows the parents believes otherwise. It seems to be a case of insistent blindness to reality.
And again, teachers are not perfect, but neither are parents. MOST abuse of children comes at the hands of their own parents. So your stance seems to be "assume that the parents will always work out, and teachers fill in the gaps," my position is, "let parents parent at home, let teachers parent while at school, if they WANT to cooperate, nothing is stopping them." I feel this has the best chances of a positive outcome, even though nothing is guaranteed.
I suppose we might be talking past each other on this, so I'm going to lay out a number of potential outcomes to a parent finding out that their child is LGBT, and I would like you to weigh in on whether you view that as a "successful" outcome that should be sought out, or a "bad" outcome that should be avoided.
A. The Parents love and support their child, however they may be, and will help them however they can.
B. Previously warm and loving parents are willing to tolerate their child, but are far less loving and supportive than they were before finding out. The following few years will be less happy for all than if they had not known.
C. The parents are furious and verbally abuse their child, attempting to bully them into being different in some way.
D. The parents attempt to push their child into harmful treatments to "correct" their behavior.
E. The parents physically assault their child, even though they had never done so before.
F. The parents kill the child.
Which of those would you consider an acceptable outcome, and do you not agree that the child can reasonably predict which outcomes are more likely? That a teacher might from previous interactions with the parents? Assume that prior to this, the parents were apparently warm and loving parents, with absolutely nothing that could merit the attention of protective services.
4) I say "sometimes" because tens of millions of students attend school every year, and the overwhelming majority of them have at worst a "neutral" experience there, many of them having very positive experiences. I'm by no means excusing the negative outcomes, work to solve those where we can, but the law we're currently discussing has absolutely nothing to do with that, so it's a moot point for this topic of discussion.
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@tolowokere 1) I asked you to provide SOME justification for this new law's existence, since you seemed to believe that it was a positive step. To do that, you would need to be able to provide at least one situation in which the existing options would be insufficient, but the new bill would resolve it. You gave a lot of vague talk about how a law might function, but none that was relevant to this specific law. I asked for one example. You could provide none, so I take that as agreement that the new law added nothing of actual value. Or do you want to disagree just for the sake of disagreement?
3) So to point B, yes, it is a false form of happiness, but the choice for that should still be with the child, not the law. Would the child prefer the false happiness, or the more genuine coldness? That should be up to them. There should be no legal requirement that a teacher force either outcome upon them.
Again to points C and F, if you believe that a teacher's vague concern that these things might happen is grounds for the state to remove the child from that home, then you have NO idea how the protective services system works. It NEVER works like that. You see it as a very binary thing, that if the teacher has concerns about the parent, then they can just snap their fingers and the child is removed from that home and placed into a perfectly loving foster household and everyone lives happily ever after. The real world is NOTHING like that, so it's foolish to plan based around your fictional worldview. In the real world, you would need significant evidence of current abuse to remove a child, and even then, they are not likely to end up in a significant better situation. IF it's possible to maintain a more neutral status quo, then there is ZERO question that this would be in the best interests of that child.
If teachers report "potential future abuse," then that would, at best, accomplish nothing, and at worst, trigger the parents into doing actual, present day abuse before any state authorities could successfully act on the tip. In the real world, if a teacher has a reasonable suspicion of potential further abuse, "reporting the parents" is unlikely to have any positive outcomes, so why do you keep going back to that one?
4) I already negated this argument, try to keep that in mind for next time.
Also, I have absolutely no idea how your Great Britain information would relate to any of this. Teachers cannot control what family situation a student might have, ALL they can control is how they interact with the students they have, and with their parents. All I'm saying is, their responsibility should NOT be to "report to parents, no matter what," it should be "report to parents, IF they believe that would be in the best interests of the child."
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@tolowokere 1) I agree that parents should be informed of health care issues that current laws already would have them informed of. I am suspicious of the wording and functions of the new law because I believe it would be used frivolously to address situations that are not valid "health care concerns." I do not believe that the new law adds anything of value, and creates potentially negative outcomes. The existing laws do not require any "reinforcements."
2) I believe teachers should do what they can to help the child, using their best judgement. I believe that my point was that the existing mechanisms around child protection would not allow a teacher to remove a child from their parent under the medium-bad circumstances we were discussing, nor would that severe an outcome necessarily be ideal in the first place, but I DO believe that teachers should be able to help children without such extreme measures. You are the one advocating that their hands should be tied, "work with the parents openly, or remove them entirely, nowhere in between."
Again, the priority is the best outcome for the child. If the child wants to involve the parents, NOBODY is recommending a situation in which they are unable to do so. If the teacher wants to involve the parents, NOBODY is recommending a situation in which they are unable to do so. But if neither the child nor the teacher feels that involving the parents would produce a positive outcome, then there should be nothing that forces their hand on the issue.
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@tolowokere 1. Ok, so then we're in agreement that this was bad legislation. If the only positive role it has is to "reaffird" laws that were already sufficient to the tasks, and the tangible harm it causes it to LGBT students and their teachers, the downsides are clearly all that there is to it. Why did that take so long?
2. Your first paragraph could be turned around the other way, what if the parent gets things wrong and it goes poorly? You say "someone else's child," which again implies that the child is baggage, something that is up to the parent's unquestionable whims, and how dare anyone else have a different opinion? "Sorry. I messed up. But I really thought I was helping?" Or, "I'll do a better job next time?"
Keep in mind that the parent is MUCH more likely to screw this up than the teacher.
The ideal situation is for BOTH to pursue their best ideas, which gives the highest chance of at least one of them getting things right.
"WE DON'T NEED TO IMAGINE HOW BADLY THIS CAN TURN OUT --WE ALREADY HAVE EXAMPLES NOW. "
and all those existing cases are already handled by existing laws, no new laws, or "reinforcement of existing law" is needed for those. There are no NEW examples that require NEW laws to address.
And ok, a teacher is, at best, a stopgap. Good. That's plenty. That's all the child needs at that moment, a stopgap. Something to make their life bearable until they become an adult and can make their own life choices outside the home. It's certainly better than requiring that they make things worse.
Also, who's suggesting that the teacher get involved in their private family life? It's not the teacher's job to sort out estranged parents. All the teacher would be doing is helping the STUDENT while that student is IN SCHOOL.
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@tolowokere 1) Again though, the new law CAUSES new harms, in that its language opens teachers up to attacks that would not have existed under the previous laws, while you agree that it ADDS nothing of value, nothing that did not apply under previous law, so we are in agreement that it is a net negative, whether you choose to complain about that fact or not.
2a) Yes, you did indeed say those things. And then in later arguments you took stances that were in complete conflict with that, so at some point in there, you were being disingenuous.
2b) Nobody is arguing that the family is not the safest place for a child to live. The alternative systems tend to be particularly poor. My point was that families are more likely to cause harm and abuse to a child than teachers are. So again, if we're talking about giving one or the other the benefit of the doubt, teachers would win.
And of course the better that family life is, the better for the child, but that is a variable completely outside of the scope of this conversation, since we are only discussing the cases in which that relationship has failed the child. Cases in which the parents have not failed the child would not be a factor here.
2c) Not really. Home schooling can have extremely mixed results, and tends to end up with very odd adults.
4) Again, if "it would collapse" then that collapse is inevitable anyway. There is no outcome to the situation in which it would not collapse. So the only question on the table is, "should teachers be legally obligated to cause the collapse as soon as possible, OR should they have the choice to delay that collapse, potentially up through the child leaving home and being capable of making their own choices?"
Those are the only two options within this scenario, any other options would not be relevant to the topic at hand.
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@tolowokere 1) The "part of the bill" is in how it is executed. It allows lawsuits against the school by parents, ones who may not fully understand the laws or be acting in good faith when they make a claim. This is too dangerous a tool. You say that you do not approve of people suing over "billy has two daddies," but NOTHING in the law itself fails to allow for that. If you happen to be on that jury, then great, maybe they'll get off, but it will still represent an undue burden on the teacher and school to even have to humor such a case.
As for other problems, it prohibits using pronouns that do not align with a person's sex, which can be harmful to both teachers and students.
1b) you keep raising this point, and I have never once disputed. I have only repeatedly pointed out that this is no defense of its existence. My point is that it adds nothing of value we agree on that as you cannot provide a single example of a beneficial change, and that it causes new harms, I hope we can agree on that, and therefore, it is a net negative overall.
2b) Then I think you misunderstand what "the family is the safest place for the child" means. It would baffle me if this were the case, since it is not THAT hard to understand, and you otherwise use such big words. It means ON AVERAGE the family is the safest HOME environment for a child. It is not meant to say that every home is the safest place for that child, or that other temporary locations, such as a school, could not be a more safe place for the child, only that of the housing situations available to a child, the family home is likely to be the safest available.
We are not discussing such safe homes here, they are irrelevant to the conversation we are having. We both agree that safe homes are good for the kid, and in such cases, they would never come into conflict with teachers, so the new law is not at all applicable. It ONLY applies to cases in which the home is unsafe, and in which the teacher has a valid reason to avoid involving the parents.
We are discussing the homes in which there is some potential for harm, in which they may be safe under the current circumstances, but could become unsafe if the child's LGBT nature was revealed to the parents. This is a situation in which is it impossible to bring protective services into play until the bad outcomes have already started, but in which it is possible to "run out the clock" by not causing this conflict until after the child has graduated and left this home.
Do you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?
4) I'm not sure what you mean here about "new parents arrive." Like a different kid also has problems with their parents? This is not hard. All a teacher has to do here is NOT tell things to these parents. This easy, not even an inconvenience. This is not some elaborate cloak and dagger that takes a great deal of effort to maintain, ALL we are discussing here is that the teacher knows a student is LGBT, perhaps helps to counsel them and connect them with other support mechanisms, and does not inform the parents of this. That's it, job done, moving on. A teacher could presumably do this for every student they ever teacher, if it were somehow necessary. Informing the parents would be considerably more work.
Will "discretion of the teacher" eventually lead to controversy? Sure. I don't view that as the worst outcomes here. The worst outcomes is students dying. Leaving it to the discretion of the teachers is less likely to lead to that outcome. Of all the outcomes out there, "leaving it to the teacher" offers the best chance of success for those kids.
The parents can do whatever they want at home, using whatever information they can glean while at home. The teacher can act as they see fit (within existing guidelines of responsible conduct), within the bounds of the classroom, and not be required to share any information with parents that they do not choose to share. In cases where the child wants the parents involved, they will be. In cases where the child does not want the parent involved, but the teacher believes the parents will be fine, they can choose to involve them, but if both the child and teacher are concerned about the parents reaction, then the choice most likely to lead to successful outcomes would be to not involve the parents. They are more likely to be right about that than they are to be wrong, IF that is what they both believe. Why would they believe that if they were completely wrong?
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@nonhatespeech You do understand that "transgender care for minors" does NOT mean "surgeries," right?
You understand that?
We can continue this conversation on the shared understanding that "transgender care" does not mean "surgeries?"
The standard of care for trans minors does not include surgical procedures, it is to first pursue counseling, then, potentially puberty blocking drugs, and then, if they are determined to be serious about transitioning, hormone therapy. If this is done right, then no surgical procedures would be involved until they are at least adults. But the Montana law does not merely reference surgeries, which are not happening, it also prevents ALL such care for the children, leaving them alone.
If you are an honest person, if you mean it when you say that you are concerned about living with the guilt associated with passing of legislation that sets these young people up for many regrets in their future, then you would oppose this bill, because you would want to help them avoid the regret of having passed through puberty using the wrong hormones, and growing into a mature adult of the wrong gender.
You have seen interviews of people who transitioned and regretted it. You have not, apparently, seen the interviews of the people who transitioned and had no regrets, who outnumber those people 100 to 1. You are focusing on the exceptions, and leaving the much more common examples to rot. If a child is trans, then it is FAR more likely that they would regret not transitioning into their preferred gender as seamlessly as possible, than it is that they would regret having transitioned.
That's just the reality of the situation.I hope that does not make you uncomfortable, but I think we can both agree that it would be better for you to be uncomfortable about that than for these kids to be left uncomfortable in their own skins.
NOBODY is pushing ANYONE to transition. The only offer on the table is to help people who WANT to transition to be able to do so. And there is no moral argument against that.
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Yeah, Capitalism is good, but ONLY in moderation. Only EVER in moderation. Unregulated capitalism is just serfdom with more steps. Capitalism is the most efficient way to create the best products and services, but only IF everyone has to play by the same rules of fairness. When people are allowed to lie, cheat, and steal along the way, then those become the most efficient options and wipe out all the rest. So you need to have a strong government that provides regulations that the markets must follow, and failing to follow those regulations need to involve penalties harsh enough to prevent people breaking those rules. Secondly, Capitalism is great at making money for those at the top, but horrible at taking care of anyone not at the top. Government is necessary to ensure that capitalism provides any outcome other than "making more money." But so long as capitalism is well regulated, it is a highly important way of driving innovation and improvement.
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@QuantumMechanicYT "I never denied that. I denied that I was a member of that subset of people."
You do an excellent job of simulating one, then.
" Scientific debates, the real ones, happen on technical terms, not for the public, which wouldn't even have the background to understand the first equation."
Agreed, but far too many people believe differently, and think that any random yahoo has equal standing to experts in the field, so long as they present an entertaining argument.
"Why is it a bad thing? Why should what a flat-earther (or a climate-denier) say actually have a measurable effect on the minds of policy-makers "
I agree that it shouldn't, but I;m not blind to the fact that it does. Yahoos vote too, and often elect other yahoos. Some are only cynically pandering to their base or to lobbyists, some are true believers. The more support their yahoo viewpoints gain, the worse the outcomes.
Misinformation tends to create rabbitholes, in which people are drawn into more and more fanciful alternate realities. Again, you can meet many of them in this very comment section.
You can argue that it "always happened," and to some extent it has, but the Internet makes it much more accelerated for all sorts of reasons than ever before in human history, just like climate change.
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What is this obsession with "visiting the border?" Does anyone think that accomplishes anything? We spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to fly staff over there, they wander around, say "yep, that's a border alright," and then fly home? So what? All the important work on the border can be done just fine from Washington, or at most by sending a trusted aide to check into things, much more affordable than sending a VIP. I think that if she does go, they should call up the President of Mexico, and have him head to some nice place on the other side of the border. Then bring a few official border checkpoint guards, whatever they need to make this officially within the rules, and go to just on the other wide of one of Trump's impenetrable border walls. Then Harris should climb over the wall (again, with an official border check involved), and have a state meeting with the Mexican President over various border issues, then when they finish, she climbs back over and flies home. I bet their President would love the idea.
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@williammorris4327 I don't think you understand how the national debt works. The debt rose during Obama's term due to two things, the ongoing effects of the Bush era tax cuts, which put us on a deficit trend after Clinton's surplusses, and then necessary stimulus to offset the Bush economic collapse.Had he not spent that money, we would still be in a massive recession today. That is the responsible thing to do during a significant economic downturn, as it is the responsible thing to do this year. What was NOT responsible was what Trump did during his first term, which was to inherit Obama's rising economy, and decide to cut a massive tax cut to the extremely wealthy, paid for on the backs of the middle class, when the responsible play would have been to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay down the deficit.
Basically, he ran up the nation's credit card when we had money to pay it off, so that now, when we need to be putting money on the credit card to cover necessary expenses, we already have this huge balance. It's still better to keep running up that card than to do nothing though, unfortunately.
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@Juho221 And yet Crimea was still a Sovereign part of Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union. If Russia wanted it back, they could make a fair offer to buy it, or go through proper Ukrainian legal channels to have a referendum, as happened with Scotland a few years back, but NOTHING justifies their military occupation of the area, and no state is allowed to unilaterally secede from another without the consent of the full state as a whole.
Also, the value to Ukraine is that it is part of their contiguous landmass. It has no land border with Russia. Crimea being a part of Ukraine gives them more contiguous sea access. More importantly, even IF Crimea is "useless" to Ukraine, it is still a part of Ukraine, and no country is allowed to seize part of another country, no matter how "useless" it might be.
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@Juho221 Ukraine is gaining ground consistently. The current conditions are not there for a serious push in either direction, but the weather will change, and then Ukraine will start advancing again while Russians keep dying and dying until they run out. If Putin decides to use nukes, then he's done. Russia's done. He might, but that's out of anyone's hands. Again, "Putin might be stupid enough to use nukes" would not justify allowing him to keep Ukrainian territory at the end of this, because then the ONLY lesson to be learned from this conflict is, "if I invade a place, and threaten to use nukes, I'll be allowed to KEEP IT," which will just mean he'll invade someplace else within a few years, and keep going until he's put down. Total defeat for Russia is the ONLY peaceful solution to this conflict. ALL alternatives only lead to more war in the future.
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@Juho221 Again, if "Putin might use nukes" is allowed to be a reason to not oppose him, then we may as well just hand him Europe and the rest of the world right now and skip the middleman, because he'll keep taking a bite off that apple so long as it doesn't kill him.
Ukraine is unlikely to gain ground over the winter, but they are unlikely to lose it either, and will continue pushing forward in the spring. They will have no trouble surviving the winter, even if Putin inhumanely cuts their power. The more he tries to harm civilians, the worse it will backfire on him.
Russia was clearly not in the state for THIS invasion, given how badly it's gone for them, and yet if they are allowed to walk away from it with territory gained, then that will have been a long term success for them. They cannot be allowed to have gained ANYTHING from this little adventure. If "peace" were declared today and the borders settled at their current locations, then Russia might not invade again tomorrow, or even next year, but within the next few years they would go "you know, I think more of Ukraine is actually Russia" and just swoop right into it again, maybe better prepared that time. They did it when they were allowed to keep Crimea.
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@CineSoar I'm not investing in one of these companies or anything, I'm just saying that IF this works as claimed, then it MIGHT have practical applications. As for the energy cost of generating that green light, I was thinking that a more efficient method would be to take white light from the sun, and use a specific prism to split off the wavelength needed for this process, while deflecting all the other light in a different direction. Then you use this green light to evaporate water, and the other light is used to power some different process, such as photovoltaic, or solar heating, or just growing plants perhaps, whatever could be efficiently housed in the same facility. The best solutions are ones where you figure out how to make the most out of ever "waste" aspect.
Also, I don't believe that the claim was that you needed only this very specific wavelength to see any benefit, I believe they were claiming that this was the most efficient form of their process, but I think you would still see some gains the closer and closer you got to it, even if you didn't check every box.
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@CineSoar Look, again, neither of us are in any position to debate whether it works as claimed or not. Either it does or it doesn't, we can't know that from here. If it doesn't, then any further point is moot. If it does, then there can be discussions about how it might be used. As I said, I'm not running out to spend money on this idea, and don't think anyone should, that IS "wait and see."
As to the economic feasibility of a project like you describe there, I could see it maybe working out. It would use less space per gallon of water processed than "just pools" and would produce more energy as well. It would be taking the incoming sunlight and putting it all to use in the most efficient ways possible, so gaining the maximum benefit. Major operations are often undertaken just to get an added 5-10% efficiency gain, so 300-400% seems massive if you can achieve it. And I would think that things like prisms, while a potentially significant up front cost, should at least be low maintenance.
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Well here's the solution that uses the "carbon neutral fuels." Stockpile carbon neutral fuels. Like the issue is that we definitely need to drastically reduce CO2 right now, immediately. Carbon neutral fuels going right back to market wouldn't really help with that. On the other hand, more traditional methods, like just planting trees, is inefficient, too slow. So what about Step 1 being building these plants and chugging down as much CO2 as possible. Make that "neutral fuel," sure, but don't sell it. Just stockpile it, build a massive lake of the stuff someplace. Let the CO2 level drop lower and lower, until it reaches a relatively safe place. Meanwhile work on other ways to reduce emissions, and naturally sequester CO2 like plating more trees, get it so that the Earth is in balance again. then they can start to sell off their carbon neutral fuels, which coincidentally would be even more valuable, since traditional fuels would be much less common than they are today. This might take decades, but governments could cover the difference, paying into producing the fuels, on the basis of getting paid back when the fuels are eventually sold. Alternately it could just be taken as a long term investment, like a Bond. Invest $1000 today in carbon neutral fuels, and expect to make $5,000 off of it in 20-40 years, as well as helping the environment.
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One company should start building a sort of "pre-fab" conversion kit, similar to how cruise chips install new rooms. Build kits that are designed to fit in a standard office space (correct ceiling height, for example), and then have multiple "blocks" of apartment that can be combined into a total space. So like you would have an open concept bedroom intended to press against the existing windows, an open concept kitchen, a bathroom built into the side of an open concept space that is as wide as the other elements, and then a variety of "spacer" blocks that can be fit between these core blocks to match whatever dimensions the space affords.
So for example, if the bedroom is 4m across, and bathroom segment 3m across, and the kitchen segment 4m across, but the space available was 20m, you could then place 1-5m segments in between each to fill the remaining 9m, and this could be closets, living rooms, etc.., or just open space to be used however they wish. You could mix and match these pieces how you like to achieve an apartment that fits the space you have and the style you're looking for (within reason). You could either line them up in a row, or place several of them together to make a larger apartment.
These would also be designed to be broken down into pieces that would fit in a standard freight elevator, and since they are pre-fabbed off site and fit into relatively narrow configurations, they would be very cheap relative to custom building everything on site. It might not meet the tastes of the high end luxury crowd, but it should work great for lower and middle income housing that cities need.
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@DieFlabbergast Trump did a lot more than "behaving recklessly" though. You need to catch up with all his other indictments.
I think you misunderstand the point of the Jan 6th riots. It was NEVER that they posed some sort of military threat to the US government, obviously they could be wiped out effortlessly if it came to that, and yes, some of them fully intended to take members of congress hostage and cause other harms to them individually, and that would be tragic, but not particularly a threat to the nation itself. But the actual harm of the Jan 6th riots were that they were a DISTRACTION from the ACTUAL insurrection attempt taking place.
The ACTUAL insurrection attempt was to delay the certification of Biden as President, and to present a false slate of electors as an alternative, to lay enough confusion that the congress could refuse to certify Biden, and throw the question back to the House, which would then elect Trump as president. THAT was the insurrection they were attempting. The purpose of the crowd was just to create enough confusion that they could get away with their primary goals, similar to staging a riot outside of a bank so that you can clear out the vaults in the chaos.
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@TheEngineerJason No, Democrats would potentially vote for a Republican, IF there were a qualified candidate. It's no fault of Democrats that Republicans have culled such candidates from their party over the last few decades. There could also have been a compromise position, in which Republicans offered a somewhat reasonable candidate, Scalise, let's say, along with various assurances that certain Democratic priorities would get a fair shot at a vote. The continuing resolution to keep the government running, only passed with some Democratic votes, for example, and that is what got McCarthy kicked out.
There would have been no benefit to the American people for Democrats to save McCarthy from his own party though, as he had routinely shown himself to be an untrustworthy steward. If he'd wanted Democratic support to maintain the speakership, then he would have needed to be a better Speaker.
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I don't like the tone of this video. It says things like "when there are solar storms, the new tech is less efficient," but that leaves out that such things are rare, and they are much much much more efficient otherwise. You need to look at the overall outcomes, not the outlier situations. Now what is true is that farming is becoming less and less viable at small scale, mom-and-pop farms, but the same is true of ALL aspects of life, why should farms be an exception? To me, if there are more efficient ways to do things, then we should always do it that way, to produce things most efficiently. It's AFTER that decision that we figure out how to make those most efficient methods work out for actual humans. Figure out a plan for how humans do better when farms do better, rather than blaming the farm equipment for making farms "too efficient."
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The Line sounds dumb, but I do want to see a mega-structure that is four immensely tall buildings, linked every 20-50 floors by a broad connecting open air promenade, and the 2-3 floors above and below this promenade level would be mostly commercial structures, like a mall, with the goal being that every 20-50 floor unit would contain every element that someone might want to use every day, like plenty of places to eat, basic shopping, etc. Then, within every 100-300 floors, you could find at least one of any resource that you might want to use several times a year, like doctors of various kinds, salons, more specialty stores, etc. And then of course there would be office space and perhaps even light industrial spaces on the middle floors between promenades. The goal would be to design it so that someone living in or above the middle floors would never have any need to leave the building itself, everything they would need to be doing would be available somewhere within a hundred or so floors of their apartment. Of course you could leave if you wanted, but it would be more akin to leaving town on a trip, rather than just leaving your house for work or to buy things.
By building it as four towers with bridges between them, it allows for fresh air, much more light reaching the interior spaces, and a lighter atmosphere.
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@janetkaradenza4165 The gas price at the end of 2020 was UP 35 cents a gallon from its minimum, which was in March, right as the pandemic hit. THAT was the only cause of any drop in gas prices, that during lockdowns, there were far fewer drivers, so global demand was way down relative to supply. As soon as things started opening up, the price started to rise again, so the only way to argue that they would not have continued to rise under Trump would be if you assume that we never would have opened up again if he were still President.
Also, that wasn't the lowest price I've seen in my lifetime, not even close. It was slightly lower in 2016, while Obama was president, and was about half as much during the Bush administration and before that, so it was only "the lowest in your lifetime" during the Trump administration if you are less than seven years old.
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@Warpig8814 nobody loves that, but it has nothing to do with Democrats being in charge, and only an idiot would blame them for it. That's who we get in these messes in the first place, Republicans wreck the joint, so people replace them with Democrats, Democrats show up to a wrecked place, so they start to fix it, but it would obviously take some time to work, people say "hey, everything's wrecked!" and vote for Republicans again, who then coast through a term or two in which the things Democrats did have started to pay off, and then they wreck the place again.
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@kellyarnett4062 Well the question is, which matters more, that invalid votes are tossed, or that valid votes get counted? I think it's fair to say that what is most important is that all legal votes get counted. So if you make a change that catches a handful of votes that shouldn't be counted, but in the process it means that hundreds of legal voters are unable to get their votes counted, then can't we agree that this is a bad change? That's the trouble with a lot of the plans Republicans have had lately, they, at most, block a handful of votes that would never matter in any election, but in the process, hundreds, sometimes even thousands of legitimate voters are either unable to vote, or at least have to go through a lot more hassle to do so. Why? What is the benefit to that?
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@enidankavon New spending does add to the debt, but that has nothing to do with the debt limit, which is based on covering existing debt obligations. Again, if you want to cut spending, that's part of the BUDGET process, not the debt limit process.
Also, your analogy is flawed in the sense that the US is more than capable of taking on WAY more debt than we currently have. I mean, Japan's debt to GDP ratio is TWICE what ours is, and they're fine. We could probably have 3-4 times as much debt as we do without causing any real trouble, UNLESS we refuse to raise the debt limit and default on our existing obligations, in which case, the US and global economies would both crater. America's economy is reliant on everyone trusting the US to always pay our debts, to be STABLE. If we lose that, there's no coming back, and we go the way of Greece.
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I mean, malls are dying, but only because audiences have moved more toward online shopping and big box stores. They are just inefficient as shopping experiences, since you need to travel physically to multiple stores, whereas big box stores have it all in one place, and online is even easier. This is why what malls remain need to justify their existence as social hubs, rather than as pure retail environments, yet it is the retail commerce that justifies building such a place at all. Yes, you want to simulate some amount of nature, but that's a small part of the overall experience. If the choice was between "remove all the fake trees" or "remove all the rides and food options and other entertainment value," the former would be the easy choice to make, but why choose?
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@BWolf00 Well it's not a huge concern if someone tests positive for covid but has no serious illness from it. 20,000 Americans died last month alone because they were unvaccinated. If we could get more people vaccinated and prevent those deaths, there's no reason not to. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent serious illness and death.
And of course the unvaccinated have a bearing on the effectiveness of a vaccine. Again, herd immunity is a vital component.
The more unvaccinated people are in a community, the more the virus can spread within it. NO vaccine is 100% effective at preventing spread of a virus on an individual level. It is only due to the multiplicative effect of the entire community being vaccinated that the effectiveness becomes significant. This is why vaccine mandates exist, because there is no way that one single person can "do what's right for them" and become immune to viruses, it takes an entire community effort.
And yes, it is possible for herd immunity to be achieve without a vaccine, but with a disease like covid that process would involve millions of dead Americans. There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT to taking that long and deadly route when we ALREADY have a vaccine. It's like your house is on fire, and only one room is burning, and the fire department shows up ready to put it out, and you say "no, no, let's just let the fire burn itself out. I prefer the natural solution to your 'water.'" Yes, the fire will go out eventually, but only after a LOT of completely avoidable destruction.
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@BWolf00 Ok, overly simplified example. You have a room with 20 people in it, and over the course of an evening, people will move around the room, talking with different people, such that not everyone talked to everyone else directly, but most of them talk to someone who has. And let's also imagine that we have a very rapidly acting virus that is communicable almost instantly after infection, and has a fairly high infection rate on its own, since this is just a simulation.
Now if none of them are vaccinated and one of them enters the room with an infection, he talks to a few groups of people directly over the course of the night, those people talk to others, and very quickly almost everyone in that room has been infected.
Now in a second attempt,half of the people have been vaccinated with a vaccine that is maybe 50% effective at preventing spread, one infected person enters. He talks to the same people, but of those, only 75% of them get infected (half of the vaccinated population). They mingle with other guests, but still in each group only 75% get infected, so only 75% of them spread to others. The chances are higher of at least a few people in that group never interacting with anyone who had been infected, so their own immunity is irrelevant.
Now in a third attempt, everyone is vaccinated. He talks to that first group, only half of them get infected, so when they split up to mingle, half the groups they talk to don't get any infected people. By the end of the night, a large portion of the room would never encounter a person who had the infection, because each time it "bounced" from one group to the next, there would be fewer people infected.
And now let's add "time" to the mix, let's say that since this virus is so rapidly infecting, it's also rapidly killed off, it only lasts in each person for half an hour, so people who were infectious early in the evening have long since stopped being infectious by the end. But let's also say that you can get reinfected by two hours later if you encounter the virus again. In this scenario, Group A would all be infected, same as normal, because the virus would just keep bouncing around. Group B would also likely see a lot of bouncing, less, but still a lot. Group C would see significantly less though, because each "bounce" would have less people in it, and by the time people from earlier in the night met up with people who were infected in the middle, it would have worn off from them. It's highly likely that by the end of the night, nobody in that group would have the virus active.
Of course this is a sped up version of how a virus moves around within a community, but the basic rules apply, they would just happen over months rather than hours. Worst case, the more vaccinated people you have, the less of them die. Medium and highly likely case, the higher percentage of the population is vaccinated, the less the virus bounces around, and the more people in the group never come into contact with it. Best case, this happens often enough that the virus dies out completely, with a period of no matching pairs of "actively infectious" and "able to be infected" people coming together.
This is how herd immunity functions. The more immunized people exist within a community, the less a virus spreads within it, beyond just each individual member's personal immunity.
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@jesan733 No, thousands of particular rules for different products is often best, because that means that each is specifically tailored, rather than one size fits all. The main problem with regulation in general though is that there is often one side that opposes any regulation, and therefore getting any passed is a significant undertaking and often involves compromising it to the point that it does not do what it was originally intended for. But then you don't have the option to fix it later, so your only options are to "keep using this flawed regulation" or "remove it completely and go Wild West."
In situations where you have one industry where they added one regulation here and another there and it adds up to hundreds of regulations that get complicated, would it be better to just streamline those down to a smaller number that handle the same goals or at least are better written to cooperate? Sure, but if one party opposes ALL regulation, then it becomes impossible to get such a change passed, the only thing they would agree to is removing all the old ones, not replacing them with something better. Pretty much every problem America faces today can be traced back to conservatives blocking the known solutions.
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@chrisgriffith9252 But the important thing to keep in mind is that not all parents DO have the best interests of their children in mind, and in some cases what the parents think is in their children's best interests, they are wrong about. So the ultimate arbiter of what is right or wrong for a child should never be "whatever their parent wants."
IF there is a situation in which what the parent wants would be harmful to the child, it is the responsibility of the society around them to protect that child from their parent's intentions. That is the entire point here, the school district's rules required that parents be involved, whether that was in the child's interest or not. Without that rule, which is the goal of the lawsuit, teachers would have the discretion to avoid involving the parents if they determined that it would not be in the child's interest. Keep in mind that if the child wanted the parent to know, then there is nothing preventing them from telling their parent, but nothing should force the teacher to tell the parent if they do not believe that is for the best.
As for larger societal implications, if a parent is wrong, if a parent is cruel, if a parent is even just misguided, then bullying the child into listening to them no matter what does not lead to a better society. At best it would only lead to an authoritarian society, at worst it leads them to reject ALL forms of authority, since they have been told "even though this person was in the wrong, you MUST listen to them anyway," and that is a patently stupid idea that only a stupid child would accept without question. Parents need to EARN their child's respect, not demand it.
Now as for your deflection, no, your views on trangender children are bigoted nonsense, and an excellent example of the reason why these teachers and their freedom to act outside of the parent's wishes is absolutely necessary to protect children.
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@chrisgriffith9252 Sure, but so too are bad teachers. If you think about it, a lot of parents don't even want to be parents, they just ended up in a situation where they had a kid, whereas teachers actually went to school specifically to be capable of teaching children, so odds are, they are much more invested in doing a good job of it. Parents that harm their children certainly are the exception, but they do exist, and that is why teachers need the flexibility to handle each parent as they come.
If a teacher believes that a parent is mature enough to discuss their trans child in a responsible manner, then I'm sure that teacher would not hesitate to tell the parent, because getting the parent on board would help the child immensely. But if the teacher believes that telling the parent would result in that parent bullying the child into submission, then it would be irresponsible of them to tell that parent, wouldn't it? That's the point of this suit.
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@robertrynard7397 The problem though is that most businesses already pay below the living wage for lots of low-skill labor jobs, which means that the state is already picking up part of the cost of keeping those workers alive. So the question is, would it be in the best interests of the state to jack up minimum wage to a livable wage, so that everyone who works 40 hours a week can survive on that labor alone, even if that means that businesses would cut half or more of their current low-skill employees and automate them? Or would it be better to continue to allow businesses to pay a poverty wage so that they employ as many people as possible, even if the state is actually covering most of their living expenses and they are basically working for no good reason?
Personally I feel that if a robot CAN do a job, then it is better for everyone involved that the robot do the job and that the human find something else to occupy his time, while his needs are met either way. Require that every job pay a living wage or nothing, but that the profits of getting rid of employees would be offset by a higher tax burden.
And I mean a lot of this is already happening, Taco Bell just came out with a two story, four drive-in bay test store in California that can pump through customers. It's currently got a standard human staff, but a building like that would be much easier to "factory-ize" than a standard one. And plenty of grocery and online retailers have built their massive warehouse systems with some variety of bot that moves products around the place, and all the humans do is pick up the item at the end of the chain and put it in the shipping box, a step that would be easier to automate than a general android.
You don't even have to replace every human, but right now, you could either have 100+ small stores in a town that each carry niche goods, run by 250+ employees over the course of a week, OR you can have one big box online warehouse delivering the same products to the same customers, and it would only require a dozen or two humans managing a bunch of automated processes.
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@robertrynard7397 Well, like a modern grocery, they have automated teller machines that people use themselves instead of a human-run checkout lane. That allows a dozen customers to check out with only one human monitoring the situation, instead of at least 3-4 tellers to manage the same customers in the same time, and there is still room to scale that situation up.
Conversely, a modern grocery post-covid often allows online curbside pick-up, in which you pick the foods you want, then a human worker wanders the shelves with a cart, picking items then sending them out front for pick-up. A humanoid robot could do this, but it would be inefficient. The more efficient system would be to just skip the store entirely and just ship directly from a warehouse sized space, where non-humanoid robots roam the shelves. Even inside a grocery store, it would be less efficient to have a biped humanoid robot pushing a cart, than to have a cart-shaped robot, like a giant R2-D2, that roams the aisles and picks out the items people have ordered.
Designing a factory process to do a thing does take some development work, but for a multi-billion corporation, you only have to do that work once, and then make minor tweaks over time to change menu items. The time and cost this would take would be equivalent to the training time spent on human workers. This doesn't mean that every McDonalds would switch to automated over night, but it does mean that some of the new McDonalds being built would be, and then over time as old ones are closed or remodeled anyway, they could choose to invest in a couple hundred thousand in new kitchen equipment, to offset half a million a year in staffing costs over the next 10+ years. If you're going to be buying new kitchen components, then buying ones that can work themselves would not cost that much more than buying the normal kind, and less than buying the normal kind AND a handful of humanoid robots to operate them.
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I would like to see someone (most likely NASA), make a small scale "Bolo station." It would be one crew compartment that is maybe 3-5m cubed, then a long high tension line to a central pivot point, and then another long line out to either a second, equivalent facility, or just empty ballast, maybe a spent piece of space junk or whatever they can get a hold of. The point would be that it would be equally balanced across the center point, and then you would just spin the whole thing up so that the crew compartment would be spinning fast enough that it could provide 1G. Ideally the central area would have a "spool" of wire that it could play out in both directions, allowing the diameter of the system to be changed at will, and they could run basic human functionality testing at any combination of speed and distance. Could you get 1G at a diameter of 50m that people would be comfortable with? Would a 100m diameter be more comfortable? Would 0.5G be better? Or would 0.3G be "good enough" without causing any noticeable problems? You could test out all the possible combinations by adjusting the line and speeding up or slowing down the rotation, without having to build entire facilities for each test. The only tricks would be in having a strong enough wire that you could fully trust it at those stresses, and also making sure that both sides moved in perfect sync, otherwise it could wobble off course.
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@bsrcat1 Well yeah, the oil industry sucks, but that's a whole separate topic from the discussion on sanctions.
Again though, the US sanctions on Venezuela were due to the politics of the country. Now it's possible that if those sanctions had been lifted, the oil companies would still avoid buying and processing the oil that comes from there, for whatever reasons they may have, but that isn't currently the primary reason.
I also don't believe that there is oil so sour that it cannot be refined into something that would meet the same clean air standards as any other type of oil. The only difference would be the cost of processing it to that degree, which might mean that a gallon of ready-to-go gasoline that came from a barrel of Venezuelan oil might cost. . . $1 or more higher than a gallon of gas from sweet crude, I don't know, some amount that the businesses would write off as "too much hassle. . . for now." Those sorts of problems tend to go away when other factors become an issue, like how shale oil is way too much hassle unless the price of oil climbs high enough.
Also, we have a solution to oil. Electric cars (or public transit, if you want to push further than that). I have a gas car because I drive very little, but if I drove regularly, I would definitely get an electric at this point, and they are only becoming cheaper and more effective over time. The only way out is through.
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@bsrcat1 A lot of American oil has sulfer in it too, gulf oil, Alaskan oil, Canadian oil, etc. It is possible to process out. It may not be cost effective to do so all the time, but it could be cost effective depending on shifts in demand. I'm just saying that currently the issue is more political than it is chemical.
Electric cars would not have been practical in the 70s, the battery technology was not there yet. If you went to GM in the 70s and said "here's 100 billion dollars, make an electric car," then by the 80s there still probably wouldn't be a car that could get 50 miles to a charge. There are plenty of green technologies that we could have been pursuing faster, and perhaps it would have been possible to have reached today's point by 2000 or so, but EVs still would have been a hurdle.
Supply chain disruptions are wild, but they are an inevitable part of an efficient economy. It is better for an economy to run efficiently over several decades and then have one or two years of chaotic supply chain disruptions than it is to have decades of inefficient production. I mean, it's better to be spending 10% more for manufactured goods for a couple of years than to spend 20% more for them every year because they are produced domestically rather than in cheaper labor markets. There is no effective way for the US to be a major manufacturer anymore, that cannot be our economy.
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@censorshipleadstothenwo1237 Obstruction of the investigation. Joe Biden unknowingly had a handful of documents. The instant he became aware that he had such documents, he TURNED THEM OVER, and authorized the FBI to do a search of his property to make sure he had them all.
With Trump, he knowingly took HUNDREDS of documents, stored them improperly in a resort that was OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, was ORDERED to return them by NARA, REFUSED to turn them over on multiple occasions, moved them around so that he could claim that he'd turned them over when he had not, swore that he had turned them over when he had not, and then they had to get a warrant to search his property, which is how they found all these documents that he had retained.
If you can't spot the differences in those two situations, then congratulations, you've earned your sheep badge.
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@craigcherry876 If the money was given out only in cash, then yeah, it would be $15K, but giving out cash is not the only, or the best way to help Americans through this. The other funding in the bill is for helping things that Americans need, like keeping schools running, keeping public transit running, helping businesses to keep people employed, etc. As they say, "give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day, invest in building a thriving local fishing industry and he can have solid employment and a livable wage for years to come."
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@drawingdead9025 Of course the schools lost money during covid. They still had to pay the same staff (unless they laid them off, which we don't want them to do, so we give them money so they don't have to), and they then also had to renovate the buildings so that they would be as covid-safe as possible (new AC units, maybe outdoor class set-ups, plexiglass sheeting, masks and etc.), they need to improve broadband access so that students can better distance-learn, and then you have to figure in that state and local governments had greatly reduced tax revenue over 2020 than they had budgeted for, so if the school system's budget was say $20m, and the government only took in $12m of that, then they would need money from outside to cover the difference. The current bill has around $170m that is being sent directly to schools, and then additional funds being sent to states that might go to schools, if that is where the most need is.
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@AClRCLEOFLlGHT People who changed their votes didn't change it because they came to some revelation after hearing it, they did so because it gave the opposition time to whip votes and pull elbows and convince people to change their mind.
Most people do not even listen to the bill being read, including Ron Johnson himself. That is not the point of the reading, the point of the reading is to waste time and bore everyone. Anyone with practical objections to the content of the bill could READ it themselves, unless they are Republicans, in which case they could have a staffer read it to them without wasting the Senate's time.
Bills should be long, they are important, and intentionally short bill just lead to loopholes and legal challenges, because you said a thing that could be taken multiple ways, rather than making it perfectly clear what it does, and does not mean. If we're going to be spending $1.9 Trillion taxpayer dollars, I expect the bill to be clear on how that money is to be spent.
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I had a thought about the "Monkey-selfie" story. So ok, a picture by a monkey can't be copyrightable, but wouldn't it be possible to "create" a copyright for it? Like if you "Andy Warhol" something, convert one work of art into something else, then so long as you manipulated that image sufficiently to avoid derivative work claims, you could copyright that, right?
So if you wanted to use the "Naruto" photo, you could just take the original, modify it in some way such that it is distinct from the original (but perhaps in a way that would not at all diminish its charm), and then only punish that version of it to the world. Then you would have the copyright over that original work, and since the animal or AI or whatever in question had no rights of its own, it could not be challenged as being copyright theft. It's basically "stealing from an imaginary person." Of course if anyone got ahold of the original, unmodified version, then they would be free to use that as they see fit, so lock it up tight or destroy it if it matters that much to you.
Wouldn't that work?
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@melissalayson7275 No, I don't like her claims, but it was very different. I suppose you don't understand why, allow me to explain. What she is doing, is saying that her opponent's advertising was misleading, and therefore the voters voted in a way that they might not otherwise. Rightly or wrongly, she is complaining about the messaging, not about the integrity of the election itself. This is similar to claims that Hilary made during the 2016 election.
In contrast, those in the other party often question the integrity of the election process itself, implying that the votes cast do not reflect the intentions of the voters.
Now, after having that explained, you still cannot understand the mile-wide distinction between those concepts, then I'm afraid I've done all I can.
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@rojodevo2724 The flu and covid are two different things. Covid is a type of virus that is similar to a flu, but calling them the same would be like saying that a football team and a soccer team are "basically the same thing." Covid cases are reported as covid cases and flu cases are reported as flu cases and they are not used interchangeably, but flu cases are down because the precautionary measures people take to prevent covid infection are just as effective at stopping the flu, so it is transmitting a lot less than usual this year.
Also, to address something you raised in a previous comment, touching your mask is NOT a serious issue with covid. This is because (unlike some diseases), covid cannot enter the body through your skin. It can only enter through your nose, mouth, or eyes, and has to reach your lungs to settle in. This means that your hands can be filthy with covid, and that's ok, so long as you don't bring your hands anywhere near your nose, mouth, or eyes. So while it is important to wash your hands before eating or touching your face, touching your mask really isn't an issue. I find it's simplest to just imagine that my hands are hot lava while I'm outside the house, don't get them anywhere near my face from the moment I leave to the moment I return, and then wash up as soon as I get inside.
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@rudradevsingh228 The recent spending you claim was "not justified" was justified though. The US would be in MUCH worse shape today if we had not made those investments. You can argue around the fringes of those programs, that some of the money was wasted or mismanaged, because these were emergency efforts that were rushed out with minimal preparation, and that much is true, but it was better to get water on the fire and put it out, even if it left more of a mess than strictly necessary.
Really, the spending was not the problem at all, the problem was the Trump era tax cuts for billionaires, which deeply cut into the funding that would have paid off such spending more. During the early Trump administration, the economy Obama put into place was returning dividends, things were booming, and that is the time when the government should raise taxes and recover from the spending needed to escape the Bush recession, but instead Trump chose to double down on those policies and continue to further goose the economy, rather than balance the budget.
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@rudradevsingh228 Ok, lets go through some of your misconceptions, in no particular order. One, oil. The US produces more oil under Biden than it did under Trump. The US president doesn't control how much oil the Us produces though, that is controlled by companies, and it's companies that chose to cut oil production in 2020 and slowly raise it back up. The oil price we pay is the global rate, regardless of how much the US produces. If the global price of oil is high, then US producers will sell that oil at that high price on the global market, rather than selling it at a lower price to Americans. If global suppliers cut their production, then it is impossible for the US to produce enough oil to balance that out and keep prices low, and even if it were possible to manage that in the short term, we would only run completely out of oil faster, as it is a finite resource.
The ONLY way that the US could potentially get to dictate what the US price at the pump would be, would be if we fully nationalized the US oil producers, required that they ramp production higher than they would want, and required that they only sell this oil to US retailers at cost. Any "free market" solution would keep oil prices exactly where we saw them. This would require some act of congress to achieve, and would ultimately be a bit pointless, since, again, we would just run completely out of oil faster.
So TL;DR, The US government does not get to decide what gas prices will be, and never has.
Now, to the Obama solutions to the Bush recession, they may not have worked as well as their projections, but they did WORK, in that the economy improved at a reasonable rate. No serious economist believes that we would have seen those gains without the actions taken, or something equivalent. It's possible that they could have done a better job with it, but "doing nothing" certainly would have been worse. You may be disappointed in the economic growth over that period, but it was certainly better than nothing, or an actual decline.
Obamacare was a net positive, as it provided tens of millions of Americans with insurance, but as you noted, it was sabotaged at multiple points by Republicans, and as they controlled enough of congress after that, it became impossible to make any changes to it to perfect it. Large scale legislation is rarely perfect on the first try, that does not mean you should not do it, it only means that you need to be ready to correct the errors through future legislation. Republicans only insisted on "repeal and replace," which was obviously worse (particularly since they offered no valid "replacement").
Sweden was a failure. Their death rate was considerably higher than their neighbors who locked down responsibly. There is no valid argument to be made that "lockdowns were bad somehow," as it has been shown across the world that countries with more responsible lockdown policies than the US experienced far lower death rates and better economic stability.
And of course we should not cut Social Security or health care spending, we only need to make sure that these programs are PAID FOR. If Social Security had been left alone as it was original designed, it would be fine right now, what stresses it currently has came from Republicans raiding it like a piggy bank to fund their own projects while also lowering taxes. If you devour the funding mechanism of a program, surprise surprise, it has trouble remaining solvent. Restore the funds the Republicans stole and it's back on track.
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@scallen3841 They gave up their nuclear weapon stockpiles for the promise that neither the US nor Russia would invade them.
But more importantly, it has nothing to do with "what have they done for us," it has to do with "what is best for US national security," and allowing Russia to snap up Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. would not be in US interests, just as allowing Hitler to snap up Poland and Austria was not in US interests.
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@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953 The treatments you suggest do not work, and are only peddled by con artists targeting the gullible. The info has been "censored" because gullible people are harming themselves by falling for it. If the treatments were effective, then nobody would have any reason whatsoever to hide that information. NOBODY.
As for the survival rate, the survival rate only applies IF you have access to proper medical treatment, it does not mean that you have that survival rate just naturally. Withb proper medical treatment, it is fairly high, but as hospitals are swamped by the high number of unvaccinated people, they become less capable of adequately treating patients. This is what led to the high death rates in NYC early in the crisis. Not only does this lead to higher deaths, but also to higher costs to taxpayers, higher burnout of hospital workers, and increased deaths among people without covid who can't get proper treatment because doctors are way too busy treating stupid people.
Plus, the delta variant has a lower survival rate under even ideal conditions, particularly among younger patients. Hospitals around the country are reporting far more hospitalized young people than they were seeing last year.
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I'm not sure who has been lying to you, but vaxinated people make up only a TINY fraction of those dying and being hospitalized by covid lately. Over 50% of the population has been vaccinated, which means that if vaccines did nothing, then 50% of hospitalized and dying people would be vaccinated, right? Instead, less than a percent of recent deaths have been in vaccinated people, and while hospitalization rates are less well documented, the overwhelming majority of them are vaccinated, so clearly the vaccines are working as intended.
You REALLY need to change up your news sources, take in some other options, because whoever is lying to you is doing you no service.
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@macanocious3000 There are several independent Senators and Congressmen, and third party candidates have gotten at least double digits in the presidential elections too. It's just not easy for third parties, since they would need to independently build up their campaign in all 50 states and get enough votes to get on the general election ballot, whereas the party candidates already have people working in every state to get their names on all the ballots.
And when it comes to congress, we have a majoritarian system, in which the majority party, even with only 51%, has a massive advantage over the minority party, in terms of deciding what even gets started in each side. So even if someone runs as an independent, they would need to join up with one side or the other to determine the majority party, and would need to work with others.
There's nothing technically stopping the UP from having 3, 4, a dozen parties like many European countries have, there's just not a lot of point to it. Instead, we just tend to lump all the left-ist parties, from extreme fringes to centrist, into the Democratic party, and lump all the right-ist parties, from the fascists to the "well, we'll let you do the fascism, but want no part of it ourselves" parties, are all in the Republican party.
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@EaglePicking Denying that they are trans is denying a fact of their existence. It is denying a part of their identity. I'm sorry if it offends you that it is not ok to offend them, but that's how human culture works. You don't get to decide who they are.
Now, you may see it as a mental condition, and that the effective treatment is to deny that and make them into how you would prefer they be. They disagree, and since they are the ones involved, their position on the topic is more important than yours. You can decide for yourself how you want to treat your own gender issues, you do not get to decide for others.
And if we're leaving both you and the patient out of the equation, the medical community that has explored this topic ALSO disagrees with you, and has determined that whatever causes transgenderism, the best treatments involve acceptance and support, not attempts to "reverse the condition." Most people trust their position on the topic over "random dude on the Internet," so I'm afraid you're out of luck on that one.
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@mdav30 "As for trans women in sports, to me the way you are answering it unfortunately ignores biological issues totally in favor of social definitions."
That was not quite my intention. Let me put it like this, "women's sport" is not a biological distinction. It is, in objective fact, a "social definition." It is defining the category based on society, not based on biology.
Now, that is a different argument entirely than whether the average biologically female person has different traits than the average biologically male person.
So my point is that so long as we have a category of "women's sports," it must be held open to all people who are women, including trans women, however, we can discuss whether it makes sense to have other categories of "second tier sporting events" that are focused around the biological limitations that women might disproportionately suffer from.
The simple fact is that as Sabine pointed out there is no "typical human," there is also no "typical athlete." Each has their own assortment of traits, and most who rise to the top are absolute freaks, with bodies capable of things impossible to 99.99% of the population, regardless of time and effort. Every successful athlete has some biological edge over their competition, and "high testosterone" is only one of those.
If we want to define a version of "women's sports" that does not allow most trans women to compete, then we can do that, but it cannot be along lines so reductive as "all people who are women, except for trans women," because that is a sociological definition, not a biological one, and is nakedly prejudicial. It would instead have to be based on objective biological factors that are relevant to performance in the sport, such as current hormone levels, and other chemical traits, and such rulings would likely allow some trans athletes to participate, while some non-trans women would be excluded based on their biology.
Personally, I believe there is no point to involving ANY of this discussion at the sub-collegiate level, if any primary school girls want to play a sport, you let them, no exceptions. It's all about fun and teamwork.
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@EaglePicking "No, their position is not the correct position just because it is theirs.
The correct position is the one that is true, not the one that dysphoric people feel good with."
I agree entirely with what you say there, although I suspect not with what you believe your point is. Their positions is not correct because it ts theirs, but it is theirs, because it is correct. The correct position is the one that is true, and the one that is true is that they are the gender they identify as. It just happens to also be the one that makes dysphoric people feel good (not that all trans people are dysphoric).
In any case, the reality is that trans people are right. It's just who they are, all credible evidence is that this is the case, and the best thing for everyone is to accept that and move on. It si a complete waste of time to try and fight it, and always will be. All you can do is cause additional harm, and you will never get any closer to a world in which you are actually right.
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@EaglePicking I don't entirely agree with your framing of it. We have to accept people's genders based on self-perception because decades of research into the matter, supported by centuries of prior evidence, indicates that this provides the most accurate results. There's literally no reason to not accept people's genders based on self-perception, since there does not seem to be any more accurate tool than self-perception.
Now, to your examples, you do understand that most prisons are full of rapists, right? There is nothing unusual about that. Now obviously we should try and reform prisons such that known rapists are kept separated from any potential victims, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with whether anyone is transgender or not. Generally speaking, trans women are no threat whatsoever to other women, and the idea that trans women might go around sexually assulting them is more of a bogey-man on the right than an actual problem. The funny thing is, most of the people screaming bloody murder about the possibility of trans women rapists, actually VOTED for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. So clearly they have ZERO problems with rapists.
As for sports, as I said, there can be discussions as to what divisions we want to have in various sports, but if we CHOOSE to define those divisions based on GENDER, such as "women's sports," then we would need to allow ALL women, including trans women, to participate in them. If, on the other hand, we choose to use biological distinctions to separate out the various divisions, then some amount of trans women and cis women would be excluded from that division.
"I don't choose to do this to hinder people with gender dysphoria, but simply to safeguard women and truth."
Why lie to others? If you were actually right, you could be honest about yourself, like trans people are. Instead you have to pretend to be a better person than we both know you to be, in some pale attempt at credibility.
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@EaglePicking And you are bringing up prison rape as a distraction from the topic of trans people. What's your point? All I was pointing out is the fact that nobody who voted for Trump has any credibility on the topic of rape.
And no, Biden was not credibly accused of rape, anyone who would claim otherwise has clearly been indoctrinated with nonsense and lost all credibility.
"Is Isla Bryson a woman, now that he self-identifies as one?"
I don't know who Isla Bryson is or their story, but if they claim to be a woman, I don't see how it would be any of our business to claim otherwise.
"What is to stop any male rapist from self-identifying as a woman and going to a jail full of possible future victims?'"
My question to you is what is to stop a male rapist from going to a male prison and raping there? Or a cis woman rapist from being sent to a female prison and raping there? What would be the difference? Rape is rape. The lesson there is not to treat trans people differently from cis people, it's to treat rapists differently from other people, and keep ALL rapists, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, away from ANY potential victims, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. And yes, that also means keeping Trump out of the White House.
"Or are they, as I've been told before when asking such questions, "bad faith questions"?"
They are indeed that as well, since you are holding this up as a case of trans rights, when the case you raise is, even at the most generous, an extreme outlier, and even if you consider yourself 100% justified on that particular example, it would have zero relevance on the larger topic of millions of trans people who are NOT convicted rapists in a prison setting.
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@JohnB3363 You keep repeating that as if I have not already addressed it several times. Yes, if you cross the border then you have committed a crime, exactly as how if you fire a gun at someone you have committed a crime, but LIKE in the latter example, there are affirmative defenses which would ERASE that crime, such as a valid asylum claim.
Also, every person they encounter IS arrested, they are just then released on their own recognizance until their trial dates, because we do not have the facilities to permanently detain them. Handcuffing would be pointless as they are not flight risks. I can't think of any reason you would handcuff them, other than just to be cruel and unusual about it.
As for whether they get approved for asylum, that comes later, if they are not, then they are deported, but they are owed due process either way. If you would like them to be in the country for less time, then approve the Biden request for more border judges so that these cases can be processed faster.
As to why they might not show up for court dates, perhaps they have been sent halfway across the country from those courts by a Republican governor?
Now as for the demographics of the asylum seekers, what would them being young men have to do with anything? It seems to me like they would be ideal asylum candidates, as they would be most directly targeted by gangs and have the best reasons to want to escape them.
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I was thinking, couldn't you just make a "bolo station?" Just build a station of the same size as the ISS, and similar basic size, but designed like a cone, with all the interesting stuff "floored" at the flat end. Then build another one, and put a transit tube between them that's like 300+ meters long, with a docking bay in the center. This way, you could get the thing spinning at a rate that would provide reasonable false gravity at both ends, but the total mass would be a fraction of a full ring station, probably somewhere on the order of an ISS and a half, or at most 2-3 ISSes, and most of that fairly generic tubing. There are fragility issues, a broken tether would be very dangerous, but it should work, and you could even get advantages in catching and launching objects from the endpoints for bonus speed.
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@Sey_Moore Yeah, but fair outrage, because they are colluding with Russia to brainwash USA. I mean, is that their primary goal? No, but it is RT's, and Youtube allowed RT to continue existing on their platform, even after RT broke Youtube's own rules.
Youtube's handling of copyright is messed up and something needs to force them to build better, more consistent, more fair practices, maybe this will be a part of it. At the very least, a channel like RT should not get any advantages that some rando Youtuber does not get.
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@seanplace8192 1) that doesn't change the fact that you don't need to for operating a button based console, once you have a reasonable familiarity with it. There is no touch screen device that I would feel comfortable ever operating blind.
2) Yes, you said that, but that doesn't make it true. The reality is that most people can operate the basic functions of a well designed physical console, once they'd become accustomed to it. In my own vehicle I can operate the fan, heat/cool level, radio volume and channel settings, and potentially more, all without looking at all. There are other buttons that I'd have to glance at to find, but those are the core functions that I'd be most likely to fiddle with while already in motion.
3) So what? If they are common enough to be predominately featured on a touch screen, then they would be buttons and knobs people would be likely to hit regularly. If they are options that are as rare as you claim, then they would probably be hidden on a touch screen, and impossible to find when needed. Buttons would still be better. I would be LESS bothered by a car that had a mix of the two, with buttons and knobs for both very common and very emergency functions, while also having a touch screen to control less common and important functions, but all buttons would still be better.
4) everyone in the modern world has used touch screens, and they obviously have their uses. I would never object to a touch screen being added to a car, I would only object to it replacing the existing buttons and knobs for common functions. Touch screens are more adaptable than buttons and knobs, so it can be more useful for certain things, like scrolling a track list, or working a map display, nobody questions that, but that doesn't mean it's better for every function, and even on modern smartphones people often comment when buttons are added or removed for things like volume control or home screen access, when technically these functions could be entirely touch-based.
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3) So what? If they are common enough to be predominately featured on a touch screen, then they would be buttons and knobs people would be likely to hit regularly. If they are options that are as rare as you claim, then they would probably be hidden on a touch screen, and impossible to find when needed. Buttons would still be better. I would be LESS bothered by a car that had a mix of the two, with buttons and knobs for both very common and very emergency functions, while also having a touch screen to control less common and important functions, but all buttons would still be better.
4) everyone in the modern world has used touch screens, and they obviously have their uses. I would never object to a touch screen being added to a car, I would only object to it replacing the existing buttons and knobs for common functions. Touch screens are more adaptable than buttons and knobs, so it can be more useful for certain things, like scrolling a track list, or working a map display, nobody questions that, but that doesn't mean it's better for every function, and even on modern smartphones people often comment when buttons are added or removed for things like volume control or home screen access, when technically these functions could be entirely touch-based.
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@alexfrideres1198 That's an interesting recitation of the various lies Donald Trump has said about the documents, yes, but the important thing to keep in mind is that none of those things are actually true. If they were, he would not be in any trouble, but since they are not, in actual fact, true, he is in a considerable amount of trouble, at least under US law. They were not declassified because they still had their classified markings. If they had been declassified, under US law, then those markings would not exist.
Even if they had not been classified, they contained defense information that a civilian is not allowed to have possession of, whether a former President or not.
And even if they had not been classified and had not included US defense information, they were still presidential records, which means that they never at any point belonged to Trump, they belonged to the National Archives, this entire time, so Trump had NO right to have them in his possession, ever.
And no, Mar-A-Lago is not any sort of secure facility, Chinese spies came and went down there, as he kept it in operation as a club where randos ate dinner every night. Putting government documents in Mar-A-Lago is not somehow "just as good" as keeping them at the White House. He would have been allowed to bring some documents there WHILE president, but still was required to return all of them once his presidency ended.
So he's screwed six ways to Sunday on that.
And I'll ask you, do you know what "continuity of government" is? Because your statements seem to indicate that you don't.
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@nothingtosee314 You might not call it tyranny yourself, but if it they did throw the book at him every time that a troubled teen came up on law enforcement's radar then you can bet the NRA would get involved to cut that out. Can't have people taking guns away from people, how would they continue to make record profits?
And the thing is, most gun owners with children fail no less than this father did. Certainly more than enough of them to lead to catastrophe. They may not explicitly buy the weapon for their child or even give them official permission to use it, but if a gun is in the house, the child will have access to it, especially if it's not safely locked up, but even if it is, there are all sorts of ways most teens would be capable of getting it if they wanted to.
The only way to keep guns away from troubled teens is to not have them in the house at all, and any rules that would have prevented this teen from having access to a gun, IF consistently applied to the standards necessary to prevent him having a gun, would also apply to hundreds of thousands of other households, because sadly, "teen mouths off online" is extremely common, even if only a tiny fraction of them ever actually do anything about it.
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I like the idea of arcologies, but they need to be carefully designed. "The Line" sounds dumb. There is an arcology I want to see made though, based around the concept of four tall towers about on the scale of the original Twin Towers, all linked at every 50 floors or so by open or semi-open promenade rings, allowing you to easily cross from building to building without having to travel more than 50 floors. You would have food and commercial spaces on the 1-2 floors around these promenades, making them similar to a mall, and commercial/light industrial spaces would be in the middle-most floors between these bridges (ie floors 25-ish, 75-ish, 125-ish, etc.), so furthest from the bridges. I assume that the housing nearest the promenade levels would be in most high demand, because they would be most convenient and get the best light, while those directly under the promenades would be the lowest value, but the goal would be so that nothing you would need in an average day would be out of reach within +- 50 floors of your apartment, and no service you would need on an annual basis would require you to leave the building, so plenty of people would stay in the building just a much as a New Yorker might stay inside the city.
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@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Yup. "By observation (of laypeople)" is science's greatest enemy. A lot of flat earthers use that same argument.
By observed data, sea levels have risen around 4 inches over the past thirty years, and the waters around NYC are no exception. That's not a huge amount so far, but a lot of the available ice has not yet melted. If major permaice in areas like Greenland, Antarctica, and the Himalayas melt, then seas could rise rapidly. This is part of the problem, these changes can happen very quickly once they really get into gear, because they feed off of each other as they go. For example, the artcic seas have been seeing less and less ice cover in the summer over the past few years, which in turn causes them to be even hotter still, since bare sea water heats up faster than snow covered ice does, and then it sheds less and less of that hear each year.
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@joeg9112 I voted for Biden in the primary to be my President. I voted for delegates that supported Biden. If Biden decided to step down, I respect that choice, how could I not if I wanted the guy to be President again? If he believes Harris is the best option to secede him, then I respect that choice too. If Biden had won, and had to step down after or something worse had happened, Harris would have been President anyway, I voted for that outcome twice already, so why not continue to accept that outcome?
Again, an open primary would have been nice IF there had been time for it, but FACTUALLY there was not, so this is the best alternative. The priority right now is combating the rise of fascism, and this gives America the best chance we've got of avoiding the end.
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I can understand not caring about this one way or the other, but it is more reasonable to be triggered by having to choose between "male" and "female" bodies if that is not how you want to identify, than it is to be triggered by the game not explicitly defining whether "body type A" is male or female. If you want to play as a character that "is like you," then you can just pick a body Type A. Problem solved. No more problem exists. Why the drama? Body type A is just how they label the body that has a male-typical physique. It's still in there if you want to use it, nobody is taking anything away from you. Relax.
And games generally don't face too much backlash if they don't phrase things this way, especially if they are older games from before when trans people were really considered by the general public, similar to how movies that used certain racially charged language decades ago are generally still allowed today, even though currently you cannot use such terms. If a game chooses to have a "male/female" selector, most people would be fine with that, but if they choose to do something else, that's fine too, and a bit more inclusive to people who do not identify as male or female, or who might want a "Type A" body while still considering themselves "female," or whatever. It hurts literally no one to give these options where a developer chooses to do so.
Also, it is factually true that some men give birth. Not men like you or I, obviously, nobody is arguing for "magical thinking biology," but there are men who were born with fully functional uteri and kept them around, and are therefore still able to give birth. Dozens of them do so every year, it's not a matter of controversy, so long as you understand what is being discussed.
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@warlans6924 Again, the fact is that it is not. You FEEL that it should be, but that does not make it so. Gender is a social construct that defines the roles people play in a society. Different societies apply different gender roles, often binary, but not always. In some languages, even inanimate objects have genders, even though they obviously have no biological basis for it.
The fact remains, Man and woman has never been a biological term, not inherently.
Some people think about it biologically, which I understand does not mean these definitions were based in biology. Biology makes people, sociology defines their places in society.
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@warlans6924 I think you misunderstand how the world works. The world is made up of all sorts of different cultures and belief systems, understandings of how the world functions, and terms to describe these things. The fact that you did not understand that gendered terms were sociological terms twenty years ago does not make it a fact, it is just a belief you had. The fact is that cultures all around the world, for thousands of years, have had different beliefs on the matter.
Biology exists, but biology has no genders, because that it a term from a completely different field. You may as well be talking about "currency exchange" being a biological process.
If men were so obviously distinct from women as you imply, then people would not have so much trouble differentiating between the two. Some men lean into cultural understandings of "manhood" and look very obviously masculine. Others do not, and look much more culturally feminine. In some cases, men have natural biological features that would make it difficult for them to appear feminine, in other cases, their natural biological features are much less associated with masculinity. Plenty of men and women look similar to the other gender without any effort on their part to do so. And that's before we even get into transgendered people.
The simple fact is that biologically, there are differences only in sex, not in gender. Sociologically, the current western society has set up certain cultural expectations for what is appropriate for a man or woman, but these expectations have shifted constantly over the years, and are still shifting today. You imply that you want to cling to a certain viewpoint, and that can be your position on the matter, but it won't be the position of society in ten, twenty, thirty years, because society always moves on.
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@warlans6924 I'm not assuming that gender is a sociological term, I'm stating it as fact. You can claim otherwise all you like, the facts don't care about your feelings.
You're trying to conflate gender and sex, but these are two different terms with two distinct meanings, similar to how a "sport" and a "game" are two different things, even though many things in the world are both at once. We agree that in most" cases stating a sex and stating a gender have the same outcomes, but there _are exceptions to that, and most of the conflict arises from people unwilling to accept the legitimacy of those exceptions. Just because something is rare does not mean that it does not exist, or should not be given the respect we would give anyone else.
Sex is biological. Gender is the role that a society chooses to apply based on that sex. If you insist that the two words are identical in all respects, then why even have both?
It remains a fact that men and women are not distinct in obvious ways. There are cultural assumptions as to what men and women are meant to look like, and some look very much like that archetype and others look very different from that archetype. Have you never looked at a woman and mistook her for a man before? Or looked at a man and mistook him for a woman? If you claim that you haven't, then it could only be because you didn't even realize it.
I'm not sure what you meant by boys and girls. They're just preadolescent humans. In western society, we currently choose to distinguish between them based on gender roles, but that wasn't always the case. Even 150 years ago, little boys often dressed indistinguishably from little girls, and nobody really bothered with the distinctions until they became older. Not all societies even have terms for male or female children, just "children." Children do have a biological sex, but that is distinct from their genders.
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moshegoldberg9685 It's actually not true that "If she were one of the two most popular candidates, she would have finished in the top two." That's because it's a "first and second past the post" system, rather than ranked choice. Basically, anyone who wanted a Democrat had to choose between Schiff and Porter, and clearly more people chose Schiff, so she was at least second most popular as a Democrat, but Republicans would want neither. Of all the people who voted, if you asked them to rank their choices first to last, Schiff and Porter would likely have come out on top (given the electorate), so she is likely the second most popular choice, but the current system would not be designed to test for that.
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@WokkaWokka79 Ok, allow me to predict the future. I do such a search, and it finds a video, and I watch it, and in the video not once does she deny the election results, all she does it point out that there was interference in the campaign process, which is true. And I report that back to you guys, and then you will tell me "oh, well you didn't see the REAL videos, try again," which of course, I do not have time for. So I'm putting it to you, find me one example that YOU believe is true and accurate, so that there can be no disagreement that we are talking about exactly the same material. And then I can point out why you are wrong about it.
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@WokkaWokka79 Let me see if I can't provide you an analogy that you might be able to follow. It's about college football. This year, the Wolverines beat the Huskies, 34-13. Now, if the Huskies coach came back after that loss, and claimed that actually his team had won, or that the score was actually much closer than that, then that would be the behavior that Democrats tend to criticize from the other side. Denial of the facts of the matter, or the terms of the game itself.
If instead he had been critical of how the Michigan coach had been sanctions earlier in the season for shady practices, but not so much that it had really harmed their ability to compete, and felt that the Michigan team probably should have been more heavily sanctioned than they were, then maybe you might view that as being a bad sport about it, but it would still be a significantly different argument to be making, correct? It is not criticizing the legitimacy of the outcome, just criticizing the process that led there.
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The solution as I see it would be to balance property taxes with the "value" of the housing. Basically, on a given plot of land, with a given "market value" to that plot, you would pay the highest possible taxes on that property by having a retail property there, and you would pay the second highest for having high priced luxury housing, but more more affordable housing you had on the property, the lower the property taxes would be. So a retail or luxury apartment building might offer more raw revenues than affordable housing, but the taxes on it would be much higher, so it should offset that. If they wanted to do balanced housing, with a little of both, then that could work to help offset the taxes as well.
I see this as "win/win," since it not only encourages them to do the right things, since that would be as profitable as any other option (or at least closer to even), and also, even if they just double down on luxury/retail, the added tax revenues would be used to offset things.
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@maracohen5930 I'm against the government having a say in what happens between a patient and her doctor, as is 60%+ of the population.
The US is a representational republic, but that is a form of democracy, and if a "republic" does not accurately represent the will of the people, then it is no longer a republic, it is an autocracy like North Korea.
As for vaccinations, if you choose to put the lives of others at risk by not being vaccinated, then that can and should have consequences. Your argument here is like saying that it's your right to drink as much as you want and then drive, because "it's your body." Well you can drink as much as you want, but if you then choose to drive then you are putting others lives at risk, not just your own, and that is when it is the responsibility of the state to step in.
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I get that submarines and ships wouldn't want to send out active pings, because it would give away their positions, but why not employ remote "ping drones?" Just have tiny remote submersibles, just a battery, an engine, a computer, and a pinger, that is designed to travel away from the sub a good distance, then send out pings on demand, and then return to the ship when it needs to recharge. The location it takes relative to the ship could be random each time, but since the ship would know it, it could then triangulate based on those pings accurately. Since the enemy sub would not know the location of the pinger, it would not be able to make much sense of the data it offers. A large sub could operate a dozen or so of these, stuck to the outer hull like lamprey.
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@fgerstm2069 It really depends. If Disney just does not appeal to you, then of course it would be easy to find something you would prefer. But if the "vibes" of Disney do appeal to you, then it's really hard to find someplace better. The main value Disney has is "density," that everything is all really close together.
You can walk from one country to the next in World Showcase, or from Frontier Land to Tomorrow Land in minutes. IF you go to any actual global location, then you might go to one famous building, but then it would take 30-90 minutes to get to the next, and they take much longer to wander around, you spend as much time doing something uninteresting in that place as you would waiting in line for a ride at Disney.
For all the inevitable delays that are part of the Disney experience, you will still take in so much more fun experiences per day than you would just about anywhere else. Unless, of course, you just don't like Disney in the first place.
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I think the future of machines is less in "androids," and more in just factories and server farms that are designed to not need humans or human-looking anything. I don't imagine we'll have human-looking androids working behind McDonalds counters, instead we'll just have McDonalds that are mini-factories, with nothing in the kitchen being designed for a human to operate, but rather for it to carry the food from fridge to packaging in a series of assembly-line steps, and to the customer, it would just be a matter of either using a touchpad, mobile ordering, or voice recognition to place an order, and then pick it up as if from a complex vending machine. I think most things will be like that, and humanoid robots will mostly just be for things like social interaction purposes.
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In the US, at least, only around 60% of electricity comes from fossil fuels, and most of that is from sources that are more eco-friendly than gasoline. Also, an EV will pay off the carbon footprint of its manufacturing within around two years, and every mile past that is better off than a gasoline car. If you're arguing that people should not drive ANY car, then ok, that's a fair argument to make, but if your argument is that EVs are somehow worse than gasoline cars, no, you're been fed a bill of goods on that one, I'm afraid.
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@MaxRacional Risky financial behaviors put the entire economy at risk. Think of it like this. Say you have a bank, and they are really nice guys. They just give out loans to anyone without really paying attention. High risk, low risk, they don't care, you will get that loan. Now so long as that works out, it works out. IF all those loans make good, then the bank is fine, everyone is fine. But what if it doesn't? What if the debtor screws up, doesn't pay back their loan, and the bank loses money? Pile up enough of those and you can crash the bank.
So if the bank is at least trying to do a good job, but you lie to them and make them think you are a safer risk than you are, then even if you do pay it back, you have added risk to the system by committing fraud. If we allow that to happen, "so long as they don't fail," then it will only encourage eventual failure. Most regulation is based on making it unlikely for a crash to occur, not just hoping for the best.
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@thomashosking385 I think it's just a "criminal justice" motivated case. Some people say "well why this guy, and not other people," and that's a fair argument, so long as you're prepared to hear an answer that you might not like. The answer is that given that this guy was a controversial president for four years, and all sorts of criminal investigations and journalistic inquiries turned up mountains of evidence of wrongdoing, it would be malpractice for a prosecutor to ignore that and fail to chase it down, wherever it leads.
Most companies do not have these mountains of evidence just laying around, making an eyesore of itself. So while politics may have played a role in some of the attention the company received over the past few years, I don't think that the prosecutions were political at all, they were just proper justice at work, under these unusual circumstances. If you want an example of a purely political inquiry, look at the biden family.
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@wubuck79 You are right about the main benefit of the vaccine, but it does REDUCE spread. It does not prevent it completely, which, when said, some people hear as "it does nothing to prevent spread," but that is not what I said, I said it REDUCES the spread, and there is value to that. If you have a community that is half vaccinated and half not, then the virus will spread around it about as well as if nobody was vaccinated, and all the vaccine would do is save the lives of those vaccinated. But if a community is mostly vaccinated, then the virus will spread around much less. Each time it comes into contact with a vaccinated person, they will be less likely to get infected, and each time that one does get infected, they will be less likely to pass it on, so that adds up.
This is EXACTLY how measles and chicken pox and most other common vaccines work, btw.
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@cliffy00 You can't sue individually, but if there were significant side effects then the government would sue (and do a much more effective job at it than your lawyer could ever hope to). Also, they are only protected form unintended side effects, so if they did deliberately cut any corners or sweep anything under the rug, that would blow their shield wide open, terrible idea for them to risk. And again, we don't have to trust them, because their product has been verified by numerous independent sources already.
I'm no fan of big pharma overall, I think that the industry should be nationalized and all drugs should be funded via grants and sold to the public at cost, but they manage to do miraculous work when they set their mind to it, and by all reasonable indications the various covid vaccines are safe and effective, at least when compared to the virus itself.
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@revertrevertz5438 They have wind and solar in Antarctica. They don't freeze unless you don't bother winterizing them for some stupid reason. I'm not sure where you live, but a few years back, the US state of Texas had a big blackout. Why? Because their NATURAL GAS pipelines froze up! And because they had removed themselves from the national power grid, otherwise their neighboring states could have offset their power load. It just goes to show, avoid putting Republicans in charge of anything, right? :D
Anyway, no, wind and solar can work regardless of weather, IF the system is designed reliably. You need to ensure that you have strong battery facilities (not necessarily a generic chemical battery, but some form of energy storage), that can hold onto energy accumulated during peak periods so that you can spend it during lower periods. There are all sorts of projects being developed to store energy like that, and which is best for a given area depends on the local conditions.
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@wothin
>You mean troops? By that definition NATO still has troops in Serbia.
No, I don't mean "by troops," I mean "do they have the local politics under their thumb?" That seems from the outside to be the case. NATO has peacekeeping troops in the Balkans, but they do not act to control the politics of the region, only to prevent violence.
>Wow. You really don't get what pretext means. Pretext just means "good sounding excuse",
I wasn't saying that they could not find any pretext, I was saying that if Russia did not create humanitarian crisises, then NATO could not use "humanitarian crisis" as their pretext. They would at minimum need to find another, perhaps less plausible one. Of course, the whole point is moot since NATO is not invading Russia unless Russia continues to invade its neighbors, and even then it's extremely unlikely.
Basically, if Russia does not start problems, NATO won't finish them. So don't start problems.
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@wothin >It had much to do with it. The whole thing was about Ukraine going closer and closer to the west, and thus also eventually NATO.
But there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They are entirely allowed to do that. Nothing about that would justify invading Crimea. EVER.
> One could also argue that NATO had no right to invade Serbia, but they did and they used their own pretexts.
Not remotely equivalent. They do not currently occupy Serbia or unilaterally consider it a part of NATO. They went in to solve a humanitarian crisis and then left them to their own devices once that had been resolved. You literally cannot compare the two things responsibly, and it's a bad faith argument to try it.
>All that could have been avoided if NATO listened more to Russia. Sure it certainly would have hurt their pride, but in would have been the better long term strategy.
No, all could have been avoided if Russia just accepted that no part of Ukraine belonged to them. "If you give the bully what he wants, maybe he'll stop punching you" is no compelling argument. The bully is still always the bad guy, not the victim for not doing enough to appease him.
> The only way Russia has Georgia under control is in the sense that unless Georgia gives up their claims on Abkhazia and South Ossetia, they are most likely never joining NATO or the EU (except if Russia collapses, though then this could be maybe even worse for Georgia). Plus they more or less force Georgia to spend their already rather small budget on their military than on their economy, thus making it even harder to meet EU requirements.
Oh is that all? Well that's barely political hegemony at all!
>NATO forces enforced the unilateral independence by Kosovo on Serbia. How on earth is this not "an act to control the politics of the region"?
Helping a region that wants independence to attain that independence is not "control," and certainly not comparable to the actions Russia has taken to unilaterally carve out "independent states" as Russian satellites. It's hard to tell whether you genuinely believe what you are saying or are just presenting convenient talking points to defend the indefensible, but if the former, you have some serious judgement issues.
>Russia does not care whether it is officially invaded by a NATO task mission or whether those NATO members use the existing NATO infrastructure and coordination to invade Russia.
But, again, nobody is invading Russia, so that point is moot. Russia is quite literally not WORTH invading. The costs of doing so under any scenario would never be justified. Russia is ONLY at any military risk if THEY are the aggressor and violence is the only way to stop them.
>Russia would gladly prefer if it could reduce the likely threat of NATO invasion diplomatically, but that was not listened to back then.
Again, for those in the back, Russia does not get a say in who joins NATO. If a country wants to join NATO, that in NO way justifies Russia doing "whatever it takes" to prevent that. If a country wants to join NATO, then Russia can ask them nicely not to, or offer them positive benefits for not joining, but is in NO way EVER justified in violence against them.
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@wothin >I mean, we can also play your naive "pretext game" or "on paper" game. Crimea after all declared unilateral independence before Russia asked them.
Lol.
You don't actually believe that. Making bad faith arguments adds nothing to the discussion.
>Again, you can repeat your pretext all you want. In the end of the day, NATO was used offensively, and "strangely" directly after the USSR dissolved. The message whether intentional or not is clear.
Again, not all pretext is equal. A justifiable pretext is not an excuse for an unjustifiable pretext. By that argument, ANY action could be justified under ANY circumstances, which is simply unworkable.
>Well, I don't care. I care about Europe being stable and not about winning on some hypothetical "morality war" on who was more morally just.
Stability as a result of capitulation is not always the ideal outcome. Neville Chamberlain agreed with you, and it helped lead to WWII. If you allow bullies to just keep taking without consequence, then they will just keep taking until there is nothing left. A just peace requires resistance to evil. Again, nothing Ukraine EVER did or threatened to do or implied that they might do was EVER justification for Russia's military actions within their borders.
>The USSR for example appeased the USA in regards to the whole Cuba missile thing. It helped out, and a potential nuclear escalation was avoided.
The USSR did not "help out" anyone. They were putting nuclear weapons in Cuba, which is what CAUSED the crisis in the first place. That they removed the problem they caused is no cause for praise.
>All polls show that most Crimeas want to be part of Russia. So yeah.
Lol, seriously, I know you're kidding here, but it really cast doubt on your credibility on the whole. The thirteenth striking of a clock is not only alarming in itself, but also that it casts doubt on the previous twelve.
>Nobody was invading the Baltics either, yet they were afraid of Russia invading them.
Russia is not the Baltics. There is no fair basis for comparison. You would have to be quite the lunatic to believe that the west is likely to invade Russia within the forseeable future.
>Sure thing, Russia will base their national security on some "trust me bro" logic.
This is how the entire rest of the world functions. It's not hard.
>The USA was also under no danger to be nuked by Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis, as long as the US did nothing aggressive, so then why was the USA so afraid, that it wanted to even invade Cuba?
The Soviet Union was much less trustworthy than the US. They were not equivalent forces in this. Pretending that they were equivalent benefits nothing.
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@wothin >I also do not believe that NATO mainly went to Kosovo out of humanitarian reasons.
Why not? What other reason could they have had? They stood to gain nothing, and gained nothing.
> So I gave you something similar naively.
It is not similar at all though. You are comparing apples to golf balls.
>Ah, and so who decides what is "justifiable" now?
the same thing that always decides what is "justifiable." Morality. Anyone can justify to themselves that their own behavior is fine, that does not mean that everyone else must agree with them on it. The point is that if one person does something, and has a valid pretext for it, and everyone agrees that he was justified in doing so, then if a second person does something very different, and declares "but pretext!" and everyone responds negatively to that, that is not hypocritical, it is just a value judgement. Some things are justified, others are not, and this has always been the case.
>I waited until you come with this default uninformed "WW2 appeasement" thing. But Kudos to you, it took somewhat longer than expected.
It's entirely accurate to your argument though. In some cases, what a bully hopes to achieve is not worth the cost of standing up to him, but there must be some sort of response or the bully will just keep bullying until nothing is left. The bully is NEVER justified in his actions under these circumstances.
>if you looked at a world map at that time, it were France and the UK who took and controlled everything, as they had colonies in almost every part of the world.
We have become less and less supportive of empire and colonialism over time. The modern standard is to not permanently annex anyone, but rather to remove autocrats where necessary to allow the people of a country to thrive on their own.
>"oooh but the USSR does not has to be afraid if it is not aggressive thing",
Exactly.
>Look and when I say something which you do not like, you simply deflect.
I have addressed many positions you have taken that I do not like. I only laugh when the positions you take are laughable.
>And now you are arbitrarily deciding what one can compare. Moving the goal post.
That is not what "moving the goal posts" means. You tried to make an unreasonable comparison point. I pointed out that this comparison was unreasonable. You use a football analogy, you were making the case that what works in high school is just as valid in the NFL. The NFL is not high school.
>One could have also argued back then that one would have to be a lunatic to believe that Russia would invade the Baltics.
One could, but one would be an idiot to do so, as Russia has invaded several of their neighbors over the past decade. It's entirely possible that Russia would invade the Baltics if they thought they could get away with it, although I don't think anyone seriously believes that would be their immediate next step. Maybe after Ukraine.
>Yes, they were not. The USA had back then much more nukes than the USSR AFAIK, around 12 times. So the USA was much more threatening.
They may have had more nukes, but were less likely to actually use any of them, because they were a more responsible world power. The USSR was an oppressive government that had no friends beyond those that they controlled via force. The US was economic allies with most of the world at that time. There was no risk to Russia beyond what risk they created themselves. It was only their aggression toward the west and their oppression of their own people that posed any risk to Russia. If Russia had released the soviet states to their own independence and stopped involving themselves in military conflicts, then the entire cold war would have evaporated.
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@wothin >They basically dismantled the last vastige of Yugoslavia.
And? What did NATO gain from that? All they did was set the country up on its best possible footing moving forward and sent it on its way. They didn't turn it into a little puppet-state or anything.
>They are quite similar.
Nope. Saying that does not make it so.
>You are still a teenager, aren't you? Who decides what is moral?
Everyone. Pretext only matters if everyone agrees that this pretext is a valid one. You can't just do what you want, declare "pretext!" and expect everyone else to be fine with that, or declare them "unfair" if they think your pretext is nonsense while another guy's pretext was accepted.
>You have to know why somebody does what it does. And Russia always was very loud about it. You can either ignore and dismiss it or you can try to address it.
I'm not arguing that Russia doesn't express reasons for their decisions, I'm only pointing out that their reasons are almost always bad ones that boil down to "we would like to do bad things, and these guys were in the way of us doing those bad things, so we had to knock them over." You can accept that these are the reasons they claim, without accepting that these are valid reasons for their actions, and can respond negatively to their actions.
>Russia is whether you like it or not powerful enough to do stuff which will bother most of Europe. So what is more important? You feeling of moral superiority or the actual stability on the ground?
"Stability" that requires allowing Russia to seize more and more territory and concessions by force is not "stability," any more than allowing a forest first to continue unchecked is "stability." "Stability" is Russia stops starting problems. So long as Russia starts problems with their neighbors, it is responsible to push them back to where they were before they started problems, not to just accept that they get whatever they want. If they want to advance and grow as a country, then they need to do so using peaceful methods, not military methods. If they cannot do this, then they do not deserve to advance.
>You laugh, when you can't respond. It's a protection mechanism in humans.
I laugh when it is a kinder response than to believe that you were serious. It is the only way to avoid the sorts of ad hominem attacks that you make, to assume that you are more capable than some of your statements would indicate if read straight.
>You did by arbitrarily saying something is unreasonable because you don't like it.
I never arbitrarily said anything was unreasonable because I didn't like it. I said it was unreasonable because it lacked reason.
>If it were so unreasonable, you could easily simply point to the logical inconsistencies, but as always you simply use pointless talking points, by acting "upset".
This is a debating falsehood used by bad faith actors. "I have said nonsense, but I refuse to accept any response you make to it, and therefore declare that you cannot respond to it, therefore, I win." Junk in, junk out. Expect nothing otherwise.
>The West has also invaded Russia over the last decades.
Nonsense. The west has not touched anything within Russian territory since WWII, and that was Nazi Germany, the side that NATO was fighting AGAINST (including the post-war West Germans). No current NATO government has ever invaded Russia. Again, there is ZERO credible threat of the west setting a single foot into Russia militarily. The ONLY military risk to Russia from NATO forces is IF Russia unilaterally attacks a neighboring country and NATO deems it necessary to intervene (or, I suppose, any other country, but their neighbors seem to be most at risk, since Russia _constantly attacks them already_).
Even such a justified, defensive war is extremely unlikely, and is particularly unlikely to cross onto Russian territory. Total war just isn't done anymore, particularly with nukes on the table.
>So when the USA, a country which increased their nuclear arsenal from a few hundreds to 25.000 within 10 years, puts nukes next to the USSR, it's no biggie. Because they are "responsible", even though they were already unhinged enough to use them. But when the USSR puts nukes next to the USA, it's apparently the aggressor.
Exactly.
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@wothin > You seriously ask what the west has from finally destroying the last vestige of a socialist state in Europe?
Yes? You don't have a serious answer? NATO hasn't gone after Norway or the Netherlands yet.
>Pretext just means that this is the "official reason" for the actual geopolitical goal. Whether somebody agrees is a different thing.
And that goes back to my original point, that if the west does something on the pretext of "humanitarian crisis," then they are still going to be judged based on whether people agree that their intervention was justified. If there is not an existing humanitarian crisis for them to intervene in, then they cannot use that pretext, so it's always best practices to not do humanitarian crisis'. Also, just because NATO uses a pretext and it is viewed as a justified action, does not mean that other people can claim that same pretext in a very different situation and be justified in being offended when nobody accepts their rationale, ie, there has never been a valid justification for anything Russia has done in Ukraine.
>Their reasons boil down to that they are super paranoid about the national security. They will, whether you like it or not, do everything to reduce that threat.
And again, "irrational paranoia" is never a valid argument. If they are that paranoid, they need to seek professional help, not invade their neighbors. Nobody on the world stage should go "oh well, Russia is insane and using that as an excuse to murder people in their neighboring countries, but they're just paranoid. . . what time is football on?"
If Russia is trying to do bad things, then their reasons for doing so become largely irrelevant to whether outside forces should act to prevent it.
>What NATO did was a very dumb thing. Instead of using Russia's fear of NATO expansion to force Russia to always play ball, because that way they could have avoided their biggest fear, NATO did the dumbest thing. In the current timeline Russia's main way to stop NATO expansion was to create frozen conflicts in Georgia and Ukraine, because looking in the past, if that did not happen, NATO would have expanded into Ukraine and Georgia. Considering how much Russia's government is willing to suffer for their national security, it would be rather easy to make Russia play ball most of the time, with NATO expansion being only a threat. But no, emotional people like you prevailed. I thank god, that during the cold war, people like you were not in power.
That would be an extremely convenient narrative for Russia, if it were true. "Just never get in their way and let them bully their neighbors all they want, because if we get involved it will just "destabilize" things. Well when Russia is trying to prevent their neighbors form joining NATO, that is destablizing things. It's not like there was a way to make Russia less paranoid, if NATO had retreated from the region, they just would have insisted on even larger retreats. Maybe let Russian forces occupy Poland, just to make sure Germany doesn't get too close or something. There never would have been a point where Russia would have been satisfied that they were safe from invisible "western aggression," and in the process, those neighbors would have been irrevocably harmed. If Russia chooses to invade Georgia or Ukraine, that is NOT the fault of NATO for being nice to those countries, it is NOT the fault of those countries wanting to be nice to the west. It is ENTIRELY the fault of Russia.
Your argument is terrible. It's like saying if Vladimir got divorced from his wife, and they had been separated for years, and then he found out that she was dating some other guy, so he went over and beat her up. Your response would have been "well, she shouldn't have dated anyone, that would only piss off Vladimir," when the only appropriate response is "throw Vladimir in jail."
>If that threat was not present, except if they were aggressive, then Russia would do everything to not be aggressive.
Oh, it's cute that you think anyone believes that.
>Yes and this is 7 decades ago. Considering people like to bring up that the USSR invaded Czechoslovakia all the time, which was 5 decades ago, this is not far off.
I certainly didn't bring it up. I don't think I've ever heard anyone bring it up. I brought up how they invaded Georgia and Ukraine, both within the last ten years. How often has the west invaded Russia within the past 20? 30? The last time the west invaded Russia was before Putin was born.
>No current Russian government also invaded Baltics, it was the USSR government. Yet the Baltics are afraid. Why? What will your mental gymnastics be in that case?
You were the one that brought up the threat of a Baltic invasion, I pointed out that I don't think anyone is seriously concerned about it. People are much more concerned about Russia invading the countries that it is actively invading.
>Before the USSR collapsed there was also "NO WAY" NATO would be ever used offensively, yet after the USSR collapsed NATO was started to be used offensively.
This is just such a bad argument and we've already been over "why" multiple times. Stop trying with this nonsense. NATO's humanitarian interventions are NOTHING when compared to the Russian annexation of their neighbors. You can't justify the latter by pointing to the former. Ever. Move on.
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@wothin Social democratic countries are a form of socialism. I get the impression that maybe you meant "communist" countries, which is a very different thing than "socialist" ones.
And Kosovo was after the Cold War was over. Nothing NATO did there was a strategic advantage to them, beyond that a stable and peaceful country is better for everyone.
>The USA was super paranoid that it threatened to blockade and even invade Cuba.
Yes it did do that, but it was not super paranoid, it was pragmatic. The Us could not allow Soviet missiles in Cuba. Again, the US and Soviet Union were not "equivalent." You cannot insist on "well if the US did something, then the Soviets could do it too and it should be ok." The Soviets were a despotic autocracy with a history of conquering and occupying their neighbors. Until they allowed the satellite states to go free, they could not claim political legitimacy with the west.
>You say that NATO's offensive use was valid because of a "valid pretext", others say it was not valid, as there is nothing objective about whether something is "valid" or not, except your own conveniently chosen criteria.
Nobody says that the NATO pretext was not valid, unless they are acting in bad faith to pursue an anti-NATO agenda.
>Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by using a strawman argument. I notice you are highly emotional on that topic and you try to appeal to emotions the whole time, but what is the point to misrepresent my point? Do you just need to vent?
You were advocating that the west should just capitulate to Putin's demands and allow him control over his neighbors, whether they like that or not. It is a fair question, how far do YOU believe is too far? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that Putin would just be satisfied with Georgia and Ukraine, how many countries do you believe he should be entitled to absorb, before the west should intervene?
>That's as silly as saying that just because the USA invaded country X, they want now to invade every country in the world. I mean it's a good tactic for fear mongering however and works on the uneducated ones.
We can talk about that once Russia pulls out of Georgia and Crimea. Until then, Russia is still permanently occupying territory of their neighbors, against the will of the legitimate governments of those countries, which puts them significantly behind the US in moral standing.
> You have this naive "the West == good guys" syndrome. You live in a bubble.
You have this irrational "the West != good guys" syndrome. You live in a bubble.
>Let me guess, you will now find to excuse those official policies? Let's see your mental gymnastics.
The "official policies" are intended as deterrents, to not officially rule anything off the table, so that nobody pushes their luck. In terms of actual practice, however, it is far less likely that the US would ever push that button without a reasonable belief that someone else had pushed theirs first. You can believe otherwise, you would just be wrong to do so.
> You probably do not even realize how laws and states work and on what principle they operates. PS: It's mainly based on "monopoly on violence". I know, I know, not very romantic.
That's just an anarchist nonsense viewpoint that is only actually true in autocracies. I am sorry that wherever you live has made you feel that way about government. While it is true that the government had a "monopoly on violence," in a democratic government, they use that monopoly power to exert the will of the people. Only the government is allowed to use force, but the government can only use that force where the people have indicated it should be used. Obviously it would be impractical to do a national poll in each specific instance of necessitated violence, so policies are formed and representatives are chosen to make those decisions in the moment, but this all flows from the decisions of the voters that these are the people who should be setting and carrying out those policies. Ultimately the people are responsible for the choices of the government.
>Eastern Europe, especially the Baltics, Poland etc, definitely joined NATO because they wanted to have a guarantee against Russia.
Well fair enough, that's their business, but either way, NATO is a good club to join, and its purpose is no longer specific to Russia. It's basically like the UN, but with teeth, its goal is to ensure stability in Europe by ensuring that any minor violence against the weak will be met with massive violence by the strong. If Ukraine had already been a part of NATO, none of this would have happened. If Russia had been a part of NATO, this would not have happened either.
Russia is currently the only real threat to peace in the European theater, and that is entirely of their own making.
>Also, it's irrelevant whether it's behind your life time. Most of Russia's population are on the elderly side, for them that is rather close to their lifetimes, as well as the effects of WW2 were rather relevant for most people alive today in Russia.
The security of Ukraine should not be hostage to Russia's senility.
I understand the situation, I just don't accept your attempts to justify Russia's activities. They have their reasons. Their reasons are terrible and they need to stop trying this.
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@wothin >Simply no. They are still strongly capitalist and none of them say they are socialist.
Most countries are a mix of capitalist and socialist elements. Going to either extreme tends to work out poorly. the point being, there would be no reason for NATO to directly target a country because of socialism.
>I was not. That you interpret that from my comments simply says that you are emotional about that topic and you simply want to vent.
No, it was literally the argument that you were making.
>Russia is as much occupying Georgia as much as the USA aka NATO is occupying Serbia.
>And in case of Crimea, the majority supports Russia. At least that was the case before Corona.
So you agree that Russia won't pull out of those countries and allow them to continue how they were before the Russian invasions then. This is why the world has no trust in Russia.
>I do think the West is as everybody else, entities with their own self-interest and geopolitical goals.
Of course the West has its own self interest and goals, and is not purely benevolent and self-sacrificing, but the goals that the west pursues tend to much more often be in the best interests of the people of an area than Russia is. They are much less likely to cause unnecessary harm. Russia has invaded two of its neighbors in the past decade and occupied their territory, however you want to apologize for that. The west has not done this. They are not perfect, but they are very certainly better, and that does make them "the good guys," in relative terms.
>And who decides who should be part of the government?
The consent of the governed, in a democracy. The people vote for representatives, and then those representatives, and the people they choose, end up in government positions. If the representatives make choices that the people disagree with, then they are replaced.
>Why should anybody have power to decide what jurisdiction I'm under?
They don't, you have the freedom to leave at any time. But if you live within a society of more than one person, then the other members of that society have a say in what goes on there, and can agree among themselves on rules that might curtail your actions. If you dislike these rules, you can either convince them to change their minds, or find a different community that follows rules you prefer. There is no other way to manage populations of people larger than one.
> Maybe me and my town want to secede. Hm, would your democratic governments allow that? I think not. Why is that? Because of monopoly on violence. You can try to declare independence, but after a certain time after you paid no taxes, they will invade your new country.
You and your town do not own the land under your feet, that is shared by the entire nation. You are free to leave, you cannot take your land with you. If you want to secede and take the land of your region with you, you do not need the consent of the government to do that, you would need the consent of the people of the rest of the country to do that, and the government would just be carrying out their will.
>Yes, and you'd like to escalate it further.
If becoming allies with their neighbors causes Russia to "escalate," then that is entirely Russia causing problems, NOT those nations getting friendly with their neighbors. Do not blame the ex-wife for being beaten.
>But they won't. You can either try to compromise and actually achieve something positive in the long term OR you can play this childish morality game, feel morally righteous but achieve nothing in the end or in the worst case only higher probability to conflict.
There is no rational compromise here. Either Putin gets exactly what he wants, or he will keep coming after it until he does. Anything else is temporary posturing. There is no point in playing the game of "oh, if only we appease him now, that will solve the problem," there is no evidence of that, and quite a lot of evidence to the contrary. No, the west must not take the first military action against Russia, but neither should they condone Russia taking unjustifiable military action against their neighbors. It is dangerously naive to believe otherwise.
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@wothin Since you can no longer defend Russia's stance in this, you have shifted to gaslighting and deflection.
>You are moving the goalpost. It all started with me simply saying Russia has reasons to distrust NATO and now it became, whatever this weird train of excuses and moral posturing is.
But the point is that Russia never had any reason to distrust NATO. They can definitely trust in NATO to oppose them if they attempt to conquer their neighbors. Beyond that, they have absolutely no reason to fear NATO, unless they become such an utterly failed state that NATO might need to intervene to protect their population, in which case, NATO is not Russia's problem, Russia is.
>You act like the west supporting various civil wars around the world did not harm many people massively.
Postures shift over time. The Cold War was a much more dangerous period, and one that we'd like to avoid shifting back to. The west did sometimes make moves that we don't look back on with pride, but by and large the actions of the west were at least better than those of the Soviets of the same time period, and in service of preventing the Soviet Union's continued expansion. So long as the West in general was a free democracy, and the Soviets were an autocratic and oppressive state, it was in the world's interest to keep as much of it out of their hands as possible.
Again, within the last decade, Russia has invaded two of its neighbors and retains claims in both. The West has not. When Russia pulls out of those regions and compensates them for their trouble, THEN we can talk about moral equivalency, not a moment before.
>And why? If my little village does not want to be part of that government, why should we be forced? Just a little thought experiment for you.
"A village" is not a person. A person is a person. If YOU do not want to be a part of that government, then YOU are free to leave it and go somewhere else. If every person in your village wants to leave that government, then every one of them is free to leave and go somewhere else. But the people of that village do not own that land, the sum total of the people of the nation own that land, and if you want to remove that land from the people's control, then you need to gain the consent of ALL the people, not just of the people currently living on that land. If you don't want to play anymore, you can go home, but you don't own the court.
>You do not have the freedom to leave at any time. Unless you actually refer to physically leaving the country, which then amounts to "Kosovars could simply move to Albania if they wanted to".
True. Although it's worth pointing out that many autocratic regimes make it difficult, if not impossible for their citizens to leave, as was the case with the Soviet Union.
Now if the external society determined that unacceptable human rights violations are taking place within a country, they might choose to intervene, or if you want to push to legally change the laws of your land then you have the right to do so, but at no point can some smaller unit of a society unilaterally declare himself exempt from the rules of that society, while remaining within it. So long as you are within a society, you must follow the rules that this society has made for people living there. This is only a problem in cases where the rules are not made by the governed.
>What if that was not one town, but 2 towns who wanted to secede and form the same countries? What about 3, etc? Hm.
There would need to be enough to gain a majority vote of the entire population, OR that the majority of the entire population agree to let them go, OR that some outside organization felt that it was necessary and justified to recognize the separation. Recognizing separatists is extremely rare, and typically boils down to the ruling regime making things absolutely intolerable for the separatist group, and seeing no way to resolve that within the existing leadership. It is not typically "we just don't like the laws here because we're special."
>In the end it is Europe's problem. And I prefer a save and stable Europe. You probably would prefer Europe to be burning down, if you could get the the chance to feel morally superior.
No, I would just prefer a safe, stable, and FREE Europe, over one where every decade or so another country is "safely and stably" absorbed into the Russian state.
>Not sure what "rational compromise" even means. Compromises are compromises, they are neither rational nor irrational, it's a give and take kind of thing.
If Putin creates a crisis, gains ground, and then "compromises" by giving some, but not all of it back, that is not a rational compromise. It is not always rational to just give a person half of whatever it is they want, otherwise you will just keep losing half of what you have until nothing is left. Rational compromises are when you give some reasonable concession in return for reasonable concessions from the other side. So far Putin has offered nothing at all, beyond "I probably won't do more bad things right now."
>The initial topic was simply that Russia has reasons to be afraid of NATO and they will try to not let them expand any further around Russia.
And the fact remains that they have no reason to be afraid of NATO, unless they intend to start more wars. Maybe they are afraid, but it would not be a rational fear, like the fears their neighbors have of Russia. If WW3 breaks out, that is Russia's choice, there is nothing that anyone else can do about that.
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@wothin >That's basically you simply dismissing Russia's fear of NATO.
Yes. I dismiss it because it is irrational. They should be treated as adults, if they do terrible things on the basis of an irrational fear, then they deserve no respect for doing so. They deserve no concessions.
>I mean feel free in doing so, but that brought us the current Russia situation in the first place.
No, the current Russia situation has nothing to do with a fear of NATO, it has to do with a lust for power, for regaining control over Eastern Europe. That would remain even if NATO disbanded. None of this would be happening if Russia were not determined to be considered a major world power, a status which they have not earned by merit.
ONLY Russia is responsible for the current situations, not Russia's victims.
>Now you are looking for excuses. As expected.
Now who's living in a naive fantasy. You insist on absolute perfection from the West if they claim any sort of moral legitimacy, while defending any sort of barbarism out of Russia. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The west is not perfect, but it IS better.
> I think that the West's "achievement" of bringing back slavery to Libya and basically damning 7 million people to live in a failed state is much worse than whatever Russia did to Georgia and Ukraine.
But that's only because you have a very biased take on both situations that is strongly out of step with reality. If you lived in the real world, you would not believe either of those things.
>Why should I leave or my village leave or the collection of villages?
That is entirely your choice to make. If you live within a society, then you should always have the choice to leave it, or to follow its rules. But a society is unlivable if people are allowed to partake in all of its benefits without having any rule of law. That is an impossible state of being. Every society needs the right to determine the laws that govern it, and if you are unwilling to follow that laws, then it is better for you to leave it than for everyone else to just have to put up with you not following those rules.
Land is not a person, the land is owned by the overall population. A person owns his land, but only within the rules of his village. A village owns its land, but only within the rules of its state. A state owns its land, but only within the rules of its nation. A nation owns its land, but only within the rules of the world. If a village wants to leave the country they are a part of, they are free to do so as individuals, but if they want to take the land of that country with them, then they require the consent of the country in total.
>So according to your argument, all separatists or people who want to have a changed government, should simply leave the country?
That's one option, Option A. Option B would be to work within the system to enact change, such as convincing the majority of their country that they should be allowed to separate, or by changing the laws of their country such that they feel no need to separate. In either case, they need to achieve consent from the people as a whole. Option C would be to appeal to an external agent to help them achieve independence, but this should be avoided in almost all cases. It should only be used when the government is intolerably oppressing them in their current state, and recognizing their independence would be preferable to accepting the population as refugees.
>, all the Ukrainians who did not want to be part of the USSR, should have simply left the USSR? After all they should have asked every person in the country first and if others did not agree, they were out of luck?
Two problems with your analogy. One, people were not allowed to leave the USSR. Those who attempted to do so were often killed. If the USSR has an open emigration policy, then sure, leaving would have been a valid option. Second, the USSR was not a true democracy, it was an autocracy, so the rule of the government did not represent the will of the people within that government. If a nation of three million people must follow a rule because a dozen guys said they had to, then sure, they have a right to revolt. If three million people must follow rules made by the people that the majority of that population chose to make and enforce rules, then those that choose to break the rules are not going against some faceless bureaucrats, they are going against the will of their fellow citizens. Government is only valid as an expression of the will of the people.
>"The external society"? You have weird ways to refer to "the West".
I was speaking broadly. It's a situation that has come up thousands of times over human history, and "the west" was only one potential example.
>What gives some outside organization the authority to decide that? You are simply looking for ways to basically say "if the West decided that".
Outcomes are basically determined by the agreement of the world at large, "the west" and all other parties. There are dissenting viewpoints, of course.
>But according to your logic, all those Kosovars could has simply leave the country. You are not very consistent.
Geopolitics is very complicated. There is no "one size fits all" solution, only reasonable guidelines. What is appropriate to one scenario, with all its complexities, might be completely inappropriate to another.
>Again, Russia does its aggression to stop Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO.
Again, Russia would do the same Aggression regardless of NATO, their issue has nothing to do with NATO, it has to do with Ukraine and Georgia preferring to be allied with countries other than Russia. Now if your argument is rather "Russia would not be doing this if Ukraine and Georgia agreed to do their bidding," then that may be true, but in no world would it be just to enslave those countries to Russia.
>You dismissing them won't change anything. That behavior led to the present day situation. So again you can be proud of yourself of what your thinking achieved in Ukraine and Georgia.
Again, NOTHING led to the present situation OTHER than Russia's insistence that their neighbors bend the knee. No actions by Ukraine, Gerogia, or anyone in the west contributed to what is happening today in any way. The ONLY actor here is Russia, it is ENTIRELY their responsibility, always. The ONLY way to stop this is for Russia to just. . . stop. That's it. That's all there is.
>So beforehand you you did not think the Baltics were justified to afraid of Russia, but now you do claim that they are justified.
If the Baltics had used their fear to justify ATTACKING Russia, then I do not believe their fear would justify their actions. If they used their fear to seek admission into NATO, an organization they would have every reason to join with or without that fear? Fine, that's their business. Personally, I don't think their fear would have been justified decades ago, and I don't feel that they are immediately at risk from Russia, but if Russia continues to absorb its neighbors without resistance from the west, then Russia would be knocking on their door eventually.
I state my position as I believe it to be. If you question that position from a different angle, then I will consider the question from that angle, and might expand what I believe on the matter. This is how a rational discussion should function.
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@TheCharleseye A) It's not naive when you have a military capable of beating any other military in the world twice over. In the US, an armed citizenry is pointless, at best. They only need it in Ukraine because they are a smaller country with a very dangerous neighbor on their doorstep
B) The gun ownership is contingent on the aspect of the well regulated militia. It was in a time where the US regular army was basically non-existent, and they did require an armed populous to supplement that in times of need. That has long since no longer been the case. If they intended private gun owership for a purpose other than that, then why even include the well regulated militia portion at all? Or why not include other reasons for gun ownership, such as "personal protection" or whatever, if those aspects were also important? Every word in the amendments has a purpose, and words that were left out were left out deliberately too.
C) I think there's plenty of support for the idea that the US military is outsized, but it's an unfortunate necessity in the world we live in. There is no other force sufficiently large to cover the slack. As Teddy said, "walk softly and carry a big stick," if the Us did not have that big stick, there would be a lot more situations like Ukraine where bullies tried to get their way. I fully support the other NATO countries expanding their own militaries to the point that the US can reduce ours a bit, but that step has to come first or there would be a power vacuum.
Also, while the founders did not want a large standing army, that changed quickly after 1812. Temporary armies are not very effective in serious situations. An army that only mobilizes when needed would be pointless in most modern situations. Even if we did employ that model, it would in no way justify civilian gun ownership. In most countries that do employ some form of "trained civilian army,": the weapons themselves are still stored in military facilities, and only handed out when soldiers are needed.
D) You're correct that the US has problems other than gun ownership, although conveniently the same party that is most defensive about gun ownership is also the one most opposed to fixing socioeconomic strife in any productive way. The thing is though, the US socioeconomic strife is not higher than a lot of our allies, and yet our murder rate is much higher. And the US suicide rate is not higher than many of these countries either, and yet the murder rate is much higher. The difference is the guns. Just the guns. Take the guns away, there would still be crime, there would still be suicides, but there would be a lot LESS of them, like in other US-equivalent countries with better gun control policies. It's also important to be careful when comparing "crime rates" in different countries. For example the UK considers a friendly bar fight in which nobody was seriously injured as "violent crime," whereas the US only records pretty serious incidents. The UK murder rate is only around 1/5th of the US one though.
And nobody wants to "keep cities the way they are" in terms of crime, there have actually been many policies that have helped in that regard and even with recent spikes crime is WAY down from when I was a kid, but it's an unfortunate reality that when you have high density areas you get more crime, and when you have high economic inequality you get more crime, and when you have these factors together, it gets even worse, so cities will always have more crime than rural areas. This is not a fault of the good people who life there, it's just an unfortunate reality. It's worth keeping in mind that on a per-capita basis, there is plenty of crime in rural areas too, it just gets more spread out so it attracts less attention. It's actually 20% safer to live in a city than in the country.
But you're right, it's important to work on laws like the build Back Better plan that help solve these problems, an also to pass more gun laws.
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@GaryUSMCvet But, again, according to the 14th amendment, any CHILD that is born in the US is automatically a US citizen, whether or not their parent is. The PARENT can be deported, but the child is a US citizen. Since it is often in the best interests of the child to remain with their parent, they are typically deported along with the parent, but may return to the US at any time, as they are US citizens.
NOTHING in the 14 requires that a child swear an oath of allegiance before being allowed to claim citizenship. That ONLY applies to naturalized citizens, as a part of the naturalization process. Nobody is ignoring the ""And subject to the jurisdiction thereof," it just doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
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@GaryUSMCvet You're arguing my point for me. Yes, everyone on US soil is subject to US laws, because everyone on US soil is subject to US jurisdiction, including newborns, and therefore those newborns are US citizens according to the 14th. If those newborns were not subject to US jurisdiction, then US laws would not apply to them.
"Only American citizens are subject to the jurisdiction (allegiance to)"
See, this is the main problem we're having here, you seem to think that "jurisdiction" means "allegiance to," when in fact, that is nothing like what that word means. Look it up. I get it,, sometimes you get a word wrong and go off on a tangent, but better to learn your mistake and move on than to keep repeating it.
Also, Trumball and Howard do not define "jurisdiction" it is an actual word with an actual meaning that predates both men by centuries. Maybe they got it wrong too, which would be embarrassing to them, but irrelevant to the law itself.
Look, you seem to have no interest in looking up the definition, so I will do it for you:
jurisdiction
noun
ju·ris·dic·tion ˌju̇r-əs-ˈdik-shən
Synonyms of jurisdiction
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: the power, right, or authority to interpret and apply the law
a matter that falls within the court's jurisdiction
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: the authority of a sovereign power to govern or legislate
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: the power or right to exercise authority : control
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: the limits or territory within which authority may be exercised
If the US has a legal right to exercise power against you, then you are under US jurisdiction. Foreign citizens are under US jurisdiction while in the US, US citizens are within foreign jurisdiction while in a foreign country (although the US can certainly argue for exceptions to be made). Jurisdiction has NOTHING to do with allegiance to anything.
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@GaryUSMCvet Ok, so your quote agrees with me.
" that every person [born within the limits of the United States], and [already subject to their jurisdiction], is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States."
Any infant born on US soil would be both born on US soil AND subject to US jurisdiction. Case closed.
Of course the case ha already been closed a hundred years ago.
And of course Howard does not get to decide what the law means, only the actual wording that makes it into the law matters. If he wanted it to mean something other than what it means, then he would have needed to use different wording in the amendment itself.
If he wanted to carve out people born to illegal immigrants, then the amendment would need to include language that covered that. It did not.
"Even America Indian children didn't get "automatic" citizenship because they owed (jurisdiction) allegiance to their tribe. T"
No, they didn't get automatic citizenship because Indian reservations are not US property, and therefore, they are not part of US jurisdiction. Again, you seem to be trying to link the words "jurisdiction" and "allegiance," but they are not synonyms. It would be like saying "so when they dribble the ball (refrigerator) down the court. . ." It makes no sense.
There is no such thing as "jurisdiction meaning allegiance to anything." That is a concept that only exists inside your head.
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@SteveLomas-k6k You're talking about oil like it's a religious artifact, not a resource. Nobody denies that oil has a great deal of value, even green energy proponents are open about the benefits of fossil fuels, but you also need to be honest about the clear downsides to certain uses of it, including "burning it for heat." The argument has never been "oil is worthless," the argument is that oil has long term costs that are worse than those benefits, when it is used improperly.
EVs are also profitable. Yes, there are subsidies to them, but the subsidies make up only a fraction of the overall cost. They are just designed to get over the hump of expanding the market and scaling up production, so that we can have a majority EV landscape within ten years rather than the twenty or thirty that it might take to develop organically.
And again, there are countries that have gotten rich on wind and solar, and there will be more of them in future as energy markets expand to make it easier to transport raw electricity over longer distances. I'm being honest about oil, why can't you be honest about green energy?
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@Genesis-ef1jt It depends on if it is willful. Obviously if someone goes into a bank, takes money that they know is not theirs, and leaves with it, that is a crime. If, on the other hand, they go into a bank, ask for $1,000 of their own money, are handed $2,000 ($1,000 of that being the bank's money), and walk out, only realizing later that an error had occurred, then if they return that money they have committed no crime. If they fail to return the money, then that would be a crime.
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@Terry-Hesticle 1. Yeah, he's been around a long time, and he's always been progressive for the time that he was in. The same policies that people slam him for today, black politicians at the time thought were a serious improvement. His policies today reflect the reality of today, and that's all anyone should want from him.
2. I'm afraid you bought into some fake news there. If you're talking about Robert Byrd, he was not a leader in the KKK. If anyone should be shamed of him, it should be the people who elected him to Congress for fifty years.
3. Yup, but it was an improvement over previous legislation and largely supported by the black community at the time. Again, he evolves with the times.
4. That is a gross misrepresentation. Some of those facilities were used on a very temporary basis to handle an unexpected flood of incoming migrants, and children were only separated from parents if those parents were being charged with a crime (such as drug trafficking), and then quickly moved to better facilities. The reason people complained about the Trump era policies is that they were detaining WAY more people for FAR longer periods of times, sometimes up to years, and were separating ALL families, often without even taking proper documentation so that parents and children could later be reunited. To compare the Obama era policy to Trumps would be like saying that the US internment camps in WWII were "just as bad" as the German ones.
5. I agree, I just don't see it, because I haven't been primed to by right-wing fake news obsessing over it. It's like with Hillary and her emails, if you repeat nonsense often enough, people start to think "maybe there's an actual story there," but no, it's always just nonsense, no matter how often it's repeated.
And for the record the "least informed demographic" is the Fox News viewer, not young people. And "both sides-ism" only serves to reward the bad actors, because they can get away with anything and you'll just "well, both sides do it" to the problem. No, it's not a "both sides" thing, Democrats are not perfect, but Republicans are measurably worse in EVERY category, and "both sides" just lets them off the hook for that.
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@jonbbbb Does anyone actually believe that Trump would betray Putin by helping Ukraine if they decided to "move first?" What a wasted investment would that be?
And what would "move first" even mean? Ukraine is already willing to cut a deal with Russia, that deal being that Russia leave Ukraine and the war is over. For Ukraine to do anything else, they would need to propose a compromise, and what would that mean? "You can keep what you hold, war over?" That would obviously be terrible for Ukraine. "You can keep that bridge you built, but get out of the rest?" That would be fine for Ukraine, but Russia would never agree. There is no such thing as "moving first" in the negotiation, it is a process to reach some sort of peace deal, and the two sides are too far apart in what they want for that to happen as quickly as Trump wishes it could be.
Both sides might be willing to make AN offer right away, but neither side would make a REASONABLE offer, or accept an unreasonable one. Realistically, Trump would just accept whatever offer Putin put on the table as being "the fair deal, take it or leave it, Ukraine," and would view any offer Ukraine put on the table as "not good enough, offer the boss more than that."
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If the Russians do have that theory, then that would be a massive insult to Russian science.
As for why an oil field might "refill itself," they are not like giant fuel tanks that we fully explore, they are holes deep in the ground that liquid comes out of until it stops coming out. We mostly have to guess at the actual structures in there, but there could easily be a case where a pocket of oil exists, and they empty out that pocket to the point that it no longer flows smoothly, and declare it "empty," but there is another pocket of oil nearby that slowly seeps into that now empty cavern, slowly refilling it, and allowing it to flow again. This is not an infinite process though, it's just one finite reservoir refilling another, until both are depleted.
Besides which, "whether oil is finite or not" isn't the actual problem, the problem is the harm caused by burning it, and that would exist even if oil were somehow infinite.
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@californiacountry209 You're pro gun because guns are cool, and you don't want to see beyond that. "Defensive gun use" is a joke.
Bad guys use guns to commit crimes, but they have those guns because they buy them legally, or steal them off people who do. If those guns did not exist in the marketplace, bad guys would not have guns. Some would, inevitably, there would always be a black market, but it would be much less likely that your average criminal could find a gun available. The odds will never be "even" because the criminal will always have the drop on you. If they do not, then you are the aggressor.
I mean the facts are simple, in countries with strict gun control laws, ones that have similar crime rates and economies to the US, murder rates, and especially gun murder rates, are a tiny fraction of the US's. If we take the guns off the street, then less people will die.
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@jfangm You have a way to wrest control from the government, it's called "the Ballot box." We did it quite effectively about six months ago. If that's not good enough for you, then you're out of luck, because with or without your pea shooters, you aren't going to "wrest control" from the US government if they don't want you to have it.
As to your other points, The US has a murder rate of 5 per 100,000 people. The UK's is 1.2. Australia is 0.89. The difference in violent crime rates has more to do with how different countries report those stats, since the UK adds in things like "bar fights," while the US tends to only include things like muggings.
As for countries like Guatemala, Honduras, and Venezuela, yeah, those are awful countries. A lack of guns is not their problem. The US is not Guatemala, Honduras, and Venezuela, that's why so many people from those countries are trying to get here.
State level gun laws are irrelevant, because people can travel outside their reach, buy a gun, and then cross an unchecked border with their guns. This is why nation-wide laws are important. And obviously a state like Vermont, is not going to have the same level of crime as a state that includes a city like Los Angeles in it. Nobody is arguing that "guns = crime," just that where crime exists, easier access to guns causes crime to become more deadly.
"The fact is, the more armed citizens there are, the less crime there is."
This is absolutely not the case.
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Fictions like Blade Runner and Hunger Games are actually BETTER than the post-automation reality, because in those worlds, human labor is still used. The reality would not be billions of humans living in slavery conditions, it would be billions of humans just being left to rot, completely ignored by the ruling class.
A Capitalist society would not require a UBI, because it would not require workers to buy things. The current system requires people to buy things so that the company makes money so that it can pay its CEOs, so that they can then buy expensive stuff made by people. If you have full automation, the wealthy do not need people to produce their goods, so they can just cut out the middleman entirely, and instead of paying workers so that workers can buy their products, they just do not CARE about those workers, and they make the products the RICH need directly. They also wouldn't actively fight the poors, they would just separate themselves. They would move to islands and other enclaves for which the poors would have no means of accessing them, and wait for the poors to die off from natural causes.
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@theredboneking Why do you believe they would refer to Jerusalem as "Babylon," when people at the time would have been well aware that Babylon was another city entirely, and would also know that Jerusalem was called Jerusalem? If they intended it to refer to Jerusalem, why not call it "Jerusalem?" I feel like you are trying to impose your own preferences onto the Bible, rather than accepting the words as written. This would make it "false prophesy."
I would also point out that Jerusalem was not a particularly "great city" at this time, Rome was, so even your theory here would be misguided. If it's meant to refer to the modern word (which would be a huge stretch), Jerusalem is pretty much inconsequential when compared to cities like New York, LA, Tokyo, Shanghai, etc. It's much more of a "small town" than Balbylon was in the early ADs. I feel like maybe you just have something against Jerusalem that you are trying to work out here.
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@nw1858 You have been told to misunderstand how data reporting works. 224 MILLION Americans are fully vaccinated, not to mention those in the rest of the world. If the vaccines posed a statistically significant risk then that would be obvious by now, but there haven't been any significant rise in any possible problem areas. Yes, people who have been vaccinated have continued to have heart conditions and such, because most people have been vaccined, so most people who would have already had a heart problem either way continued to have a heart problem after being vaccinated. The rates of those problems did not rise in any noticeable way.
The reporting systems just say "report if anything bad happens to you after you get vaccinated," and then they look into that to find out whether it was related to the vaccination. So far, there has been no link found whatsoever. If any link were found, they would pause and potentially stop further vaccinations, as they did when there was a potential issue with the J&J vaccines. The solution there was just to monitor patients after they got the shot and see if they had certain symptoms, and if they did there was a simple treatment and nobody has died of it since.
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@nw1858 The Gatez thing you were talking about has been over for a while. The Gaetz thing I've been talking about, the child sex trafficking, was still ongoing through at least last month. At that point it was leaked to the press that the DoJ might not choose to move forward on an indictment on the grounds that they couldn't find enough evidence to make it a slam dunk case, but that's a far cry from "innocence."
Also, the guy blackmailing him was a Republican fundraiser, not a Democrat. I'm not sure who lied to you about that or why you would believe them. Either way, ti was unrelated to the actual charges against Gaetz, the man attempting blackmail was only claiming (falsely) that he could get a pardon for Gaetz's crimes if he got paid.
and yeah, Swallwell was unknowingly sleeping with a Chinese agent, and when he found out, he broke off all contact with her, as a responsible party would. Donald Trump had plenty of Chinese agents all over Mar-a-Lago, and his response was to leave top security clearance documents lying all over the place.
If you can support Republicans, you are, by definition, anti-American, because if they win, America is already gone.
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@luciussvartwulf6630 Unfortunately, there are some errors on every election day in the history of America. This is not itself a big deal. There is no reason to believe that the errors on this particular election day led to any significant amount of Republican votes not getting cast eventually, but generally, Democratic areas are much more often hit with long lines and faulty equipment, if you're keeping score.
Also, the issue with polls staying open in Maricopa did not prevent anyone from voting. The issue was only with the tabulation machines, not the voting machines, so people could still vote unimpeded, and their votes were counted later. No voters who attempted to vote were turned away or slowed down by these errors, and their ballots were all counted. There was no voter suppression here, this was not Georgia or Florida.
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@luciussvartwulf6630 Except that we know for a fact that they were able to vote, if they did vote that their votes were counted, and that if they chose not to, that was entirely their own business.
The fact remains that the only documented problem was the vote counting machines, but that because of that, polling places were collecting all the votes up to be counted later, which they were. If you cast a ballot in one of these polling places, it WAS counted. None of the issues prevented votes from being cast. I've read some articles that some Republicans were telling other Republicans NOT to vote, because they did not trust the voting systems. That is entirely their own problem, not the state, and certainly not Democrats'.
Also, at no point did any judge "prevent them from voting or their votes being counted." The voting process was allowed to continue non-stop as the law allows. Republicans sought to extend the voting time beyond that point under Arizona law, but there was no legal justification for doing so, as they were perfectly capable of voting within the existing time limits. This is not remotely comparable to Republicans REDUCING voting hours BELOW the previous limits, making it harder to vote than it was before. You are presenting a false equivalency here, either deliberately, or because someone else told you to.
And let's be honest, Kari Lake voters are inherently unreliable narrators, she ran on a platform of election denial-ism, so "Kari Lake voters are reporting voter fraud" is about as valuable a report as "Putin claims Ukraine is being mean to them." "Public statements from a great number of republicans" has lost all meaning after the "2000 Mules" nonsense. You might as well say "I've heard form the Elf on the Shelf" that Arizona Democrats are up to no good."
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@luciussvartwulf6630 My basic stance is that any reasonable person has every reason to believe that they are liars, considering that they intended to vote for a candidate who's primary campaign position was "I will tell you the lies that make you feel warm inside." It would be extremely misguided to not assume that they are liars until given evidence to indicate otherwise, right?
And no, "the same logic" couldn't be applied to Democrats, because Democrats have never engaged in the sort of behavior that Republicans have over the last two years. Hillary Clinton conceded the election on election night, Trump still has not fully conceded. NOBODY questioned the integrity of the 2016 election results. The only questions about the 2016 election were what role Russia played in influencing how people voted in it, and it turned out that the Trump campaign did collude with Russia to influence the vote in several key districts, without which Trump would have lost. That should be shocking, but of course Republicans are immune to shame. But that is not election fraud, the people who were tricked by the Republican propaganda still cast their votes in a fully legal manner.
Also, "being there in person" is a terrible reason to trust someone. Just saying. Someone "being there in person" in no way makes them less likely to lie about what happened there.
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@supertrouperJC02 Here's a fact check from Politico on the 600k figure. Like I said, if that isn't a good one for you, you can google up a dozen other fact checks that point out the same things. There was nothing irregular about any of it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/13/rudy-giuliani/giulianis-false-claim-more-600000-unlawful-votes-p/
" does that mean we disenfranchise 73 million patriots that voted for Trump and believe strongly that there was based on legitimate questions that at least deserve an answer?"
We aren't disenfranchising anyone. Those people voted for Trump. Their votes were counted. That was them being enfranchised. MORE people voted for Biden, and their votes were counted too. The only people seeking to disenfranchise anyone are those seeking to nullify those votes.
It is not "being disenfranchised" when you lose an election because more people voted the other way.
We HAVE allowed all proper legal processes in this case, all credible claims HAVE been fairly assessed, and what you're seeing is the result of that, Biden's win being certified in every relevant state, just as Trump's was in 2016, even though plenty of Americans were unhappy with that outcome, and America suffered greatly as a result.
"The conservatives watched for 4 years as democrats tried to impeach a president that THE PEOPLE voted for! "
They impeached him for doing crimes, not for winning the election. If he hadn't done crimes, he wouldn't have been impeached.
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@supertrouperJC02 Like I said, if you don't want to listen to politifact you can google it yourself and find dozens of other sources saying the exact same thing, the "600K fraudulent votes" story is entirely fantasy. Period. PA is tating nothing of the sort, PA is stating that Biden won.
And yes, Trump is either a witting or unwitting Russian asset. That does not mean that he's from Russia, most assets were born in the country they are working in, Trump is definitely from America, but the things that he does are more in Russia's interests than the US, Russia has worked very hard to get him elected and re-elected, which would be odd if they didn't want him to have the job, and there are numerous contacts between Russian agents and members of the Trump campaign, many of which were undisclosed, prosecuted, and found guilty on. I mean, it's a REALLY bad look.
Trump was impeached for obstructing justice in looking into those issues. As someone who claims that we "should be looking into cases of fraud," you seem awfully defensive when that fraud was perpetrated by Trump.
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@supertrouperJC02 I think the problem is that you "watch the hearing yourself and decide for yourself," but given the conclusions you've reached, you do not have the legal training necessary to differentiate between what is credible evidence and what is nonsense. The Trump campaign has produced no credible evidence of any of their claims, and no, these things do not "need to be investigated" if there is no credible evidence that there is a problem.
Just accusing that something bad happened is not grounds to throw out or even slow down the voting process if there is no actual evidence that something bad happened. Anyone can just claim that martians rigged the election for their lizard king overlord, that does not make it a fact. I can claim that Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster were spotted in lake Erie with a sack containing ten million ballots that were all for Trump and signed by people who have been dead since the Civil War, therefore all Trump ballots should be discarded, but that doesn't mean anyone should actually pay attention to that nonsense.
Most of what you allege here is nonsense. You believe it to be true because it supports the outcome you want, but it is complete fabrication. The events you describe never happened in any form.
The only reason we are in disagreement that "election integrity matters" is because while you say that, your own stances on what should be done conflict with that. My position is in support of election integrity, your positions undermine it by chasing fairytales.
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@supertrouperJC02 Yes, but also, in addition to that Constitutional clause you cited, Pennsylvania law requires that their legislator just send the electors that the state voted for. They do NOT have the legal right to disenfranchise Pennsylvania's voters and just pick whomever they want. If they wanted to have that right, at minimum they would have needed to pass a NEW law to that effect BEFORE the election.
If anyone has been telling you otherwise, then they were either ignorant of the law or lying to you.
Btw, here are two videos by Legal Eagle, talking about Trump's various lawsuits, and why they are all nonsense. The most recent one is first, and covers things like the most recent challenges you cited, as well as addressing the "eye witness accounts" claims:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-nblE8ps2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E
He is certainly not unbiased in this, I make no claims that he is, but he is informative whether you agree with his opinions on the matter or not. The TR;DL on that is that most of the "eyewitness accounts" boil down to people claiming that they "heard someone say that maybe they were doing something shady," but that is not actually "witnessing" anything, that is just hearsay, and regardless, the Trump campaign never presented any actual evidence in a legal setting, because if it was fabricated they could get in legal trouble for that. Instead, they just put it out in public, where there is no burden of proof. They only lie in places where they won't get in trouble for lying, and in places where they would get in trouble for lying, they have nothing to say.
I'm trying my best here and it's clear I could say anything it doesn't matter because you're hung up on the Trump campaign propaganda.
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@supertrouperJC02 Ok, we need to be clear here, which "hearing" are you talking about? Are you talking about the one before the Pennsylvania legislature? That's not a legal proceeding, there is no "outcome" to that. It's just an airing of grievances. It's not like anything that happens there would lead to a change in the outcome of the 2020 election. If we're talking about the court cases, which one specifically? What's the name on the case?
It's also important to note that there is not one count in which there were not Republican watchers present. Individuals might have wanted to be "watchers," and were kept out because they did not meet the qualifications for that role, but that is not the same thing as the count not being watched. Not everyone who wants to be a watcher is allowed to be.
"And Of course they don't just pick whomever they want, the point is that the legislature has the authority to set the ground rules for the election process. "
They do.
Before the election.
Which was almost a month ago.
It is too late for them to do anything about that now.
" Those ground rules which were set before the election were broken, therefore giving them the authority to declare the election unconstitutional, "
No, the rules were not broken, and no, even if they were they do not have the authority to just declare the election unconstitutional and pick whoever they want instead.
"Likely the Electoral votes wouldn't go to Trump if they win, they would just be removed for Biden, and if this is followed up in a few key states,"
Except that none of that would happen, and if by some chance it did start happening, no patriotic American could possibly support it. That is the definition of tyranny.
" This happened with John Adams, so there is a clear precedent."
Electoral laws have changed massively since John Adams, the argument you're making is equivalent to saying we should throw out all African American votes because when Franklin Pierce was elected they didn't have the right to vote. Precedent becomes invalid when the underlying systems that precedent were based on have shifted.
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@supertrouperJC02 Votes were not "injected into the system" that is not "proven." If it were proven, then there would be consequences. Instead it was merely asserted without any evidence to support it, outside a court of law. That is pretty much the opposite of "proven."
Did you watch Crhis Kreb's interview on 60 Minutes? If you are worried that votes got "entered into the system" that might not match the actual votes cast, don't worry, that did not happen. In any contested area, they have done hand recounts of paper ballots, and the hand recounts ended up at the same numbers the digital ones did, so no "magical votes" "appeared out of nowhere." They were just perfectly ordinary votes being properly counted the way votes are meant to be counted.
Even IF there were some evil "USB drive conspiracy" that had led to massively incorrect outcomes in the early votes (which there was not), the hand recounts would have shown such a discrepancy (which there was not).
"Not only that, they all shut down voting early, which was against the rules the legislature gave, and in the middle of the night uploaded these massive vote counts for Biden"
You make it sound sinister that they continued to count legal votes into the late hours, and then uploaded their results as they finished up for the night. That's just the process, there is absolutely nothing sinister about that. It is working how everyone intended it to work, including Republicans. You're only bothered by the results in Democratic Cities because that is where Democratic votes typically do come from.
The old joke is that there are no red states or blue states, there are just red states with blue cities, and it only depends how big those cities are relative to everything else. Obviously the bulk of Biden's votes would come from cities and urban suburbs, and ALSO because Democrats take the pandemic more seriously there were always going to be a lot more mail-in votes for Democrats, which were the last to come in. EVERYONE expected that whatever the election day votes brought it, it would only tend to lean more toward Biden as the mail-in ballots got counted. The only thing that was even in doubt would be whether it would swing enough toward Biden to offset what Trump got on election day.
It turned out it was.
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@supertrouperJC02 "and not due to any constitutional amendment, meaning legislature still has authority to lay the grounds for an election. "
They have federal authority to do that, yes, and they could have, BEFORE the election. Which was a month ago. They did not. So now it's too late to change it. They can't change the rules now even if they wanted to.
Patriots don't try to rig elections when they lose. 75 million Americans voted for Trump, but 80 million Americans voted for Biden, and they wouldn't stand for being force fed Trump either. Patriots do what we did in 2016, accept that the American people, for whatever reasons, chose differently than we did, and that this is how elections go. If Trump supporters cannot accept that, and try to "rise up," they will just have to be put down. We did it in 1865, and we can do it again if necessary.
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@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu A lot of which already comes from government grants, which they then turn around and sell the drugs to people who need them at massive mark-ups.
Pharmaceutical development does cost a lot of money, but Americans are already paying that money AND paying massive salaries to CEOs, AND paying dividends to shareholders, AND paying marketing, etc. Cut out those middlemen. Just fund all research based on government grants, focused on the areas most in need of funding. Instead of developing drugs that will be most profitable, the ones that they can get repeat customers on for a lifetime, work on drugs that are the most effective, that best solve a problem in the most expedient way possible.
The current system works pretty well in many ways, but also has a TON of inefficiencies that are around making the most money for the company rather than providing the best value to consumers. What is not profitable is not done, even if it is important. That can change.
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@petitio_principii It's difficult to say who would win in a more complex voting system. If it were a straight "everyone runs at once, but first past the post," then that would tend to give Trump an advantage, as it did in the primaries, since while only around 38% of the electorate actually like him, they are LOCKED IN, whereas the 60%+ that don't like him tend to disagree with who they prefer as an alternative. If it were ranked, that might still benefit Trump, since while he would get a lot less 2-3 votes than other candidates, he likely would get the most 1s, and it would depend how the votes are summed up. It would be interesting as a test case, to take a group of representative voters and run them through both a standard mock election and a ranked choice one, and see how that goes.
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I mean, here's the thing, I want a metaverse, I want to do ll the things Facebook wants me to do with it. I just do not trust Facebook with this space.
It's like Disneyland, I like Disneyland, I would want to go to Disneyland, but not if it was run by an adjacent meat slaughtering plant, and they also produced "Soylent Green."
I want to play in that metaverse future, but not if Facebook is running it. Not if they can read my data, use my data to serve ads to me, etc. I don't want them in my head like that (some with Apple, btw). I want to get a Quest VR, but never will so long as it's tied in to a mandatory "meta" account. I want to just use it on Steam or something. If I had hardware with no financial ties to Facebook, then I might use a Facebook VR chatroom or something in it, assuming it was designed well, I just don't trust them with the "whole package" infrastructure. Nobody does.
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@Deborahmarie1217 Well, gas prices are determined by the free market, not by Presidential policies, so who's to say how those will go any time soon. According to the economists, inflation should also be fairly temporary, it was spiked by the "return to life" after covid, but they don't expect it to be higher than normal over the long term. As for inheritance, that's never really been much of an issue for anything less than the super-wealthy, there is some tax on that, but not an unreasonable amount. When Republicans talk about removing "the death tax," they're only talking about a tax that applies to multi-millionaires. Anything below that, they don't give a shit.
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@mopar0IIII0jeep But again, you're drastically misrepresenting the situation. For one thing, a few broken windows and trashed cars isn't REMOTELY the same thing as violently invading the Capitol Building during the election certification. I mean, it would be idiotic to even try to compare those two situations.
For another, those protests lasted a day or so, not four years. While other protests have taken place over the past four years, as have taken place EVERY year during prior administrations, the protests were not about illegally replacing the sitting president, they had other, unrelated purposes. While people certainly disapproved of Trump and protested against his activities, it was not with the goal of illegal insurrection. And it's also worth noting that there were no fewer people protesting Obama's presidency.
Peaceful protest is an important part of American democracy, and occasionally you get a handful of people that are bad actors in such crowds and cause damage, but that is a VERY different thing than the insurrectionists that turned up last Wednesday and have threatened to return, and any rational observer should understand that distinction.
It is not "turning a blind eye" to point out the difference between a yapping chihuahua and a snarling jackal.
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@urbanlibertarian2520 But you are presenting a biased an inaccurate view of the facts, either intentionally or because that's what you've been told and you didn't bother to actually look into it yourself. You are not, in fact, presenting the facts.
As for what should happen next, he is in a Salvadoran super-max prison, despite having committed NO crimes. Do you believe that is a reasonable outcome to this? Even if you believe that he should not be in this country, at the very least he should be free to live a peaceful life there, right? But that's irrelevant to the law, and the law says that not only should he be freed from prison, but also he should be returned to the US, receive due process under the law, and maybe get deported at the end of that process.
And if the Salvadoran president doesn't agree with that, then it's the president's legal responsibility to convince him.
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@arturoeugster7228 I watched a really good Nova series recently that went through all the processes of how Earth changed over the billions of years, step by step. It is true that at one point the atmosphere was mostly carbon, and it was an unlivable hellscape, similar to Venus. Then most of that carbon got eaten up by algae or sequstered in water or rock.
The Earth constantly produces SOME fresh CO2 through volcanic activity, and also constantly gobbles some amount up via plants and animals and other natural processes. Most of the time, this process is in balance, so that no more CO2 is added than the Earth naturally eats up. Occasionally it tips one way or the other and causes an ice age or a "deadly hot" period. In many of these periods human life, much less most animal life, would be incapable of surviving outside.
The period we were living through 200 years ago was relatively stable, and would have continued to be stable for the foreseeable future, all the natural mechanisms were in check, but human industry took oceans of carbon that had been harmlessly stored underground, and through it into the atmosphere, hundreds of thousands of years worth of "natural CO2 emissions" over a period of decades. and this has tipped the balance and offset all sorts of natural processes. Even if we stopped all production today it would take a century or more for the natural balance to restore itself, and it will take even longer the further we allow it to go wrong.
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Faux Que So then the fault seems to be in how you process information then, in what information you consider "important" and what you discard as "nonsense." You're mixing up the piles.
To take your MSNBC example, MSNBC is also reporting that the Delta Variant is in the US, because it is. But separately, they are reporting that things might get worse in the fall, not because the Delta varient will arrive then, but because Covid follows seasonal flu trajectories, ie "it gets worse in the fall, wherever it is otherwise." So both things are true. Delta is here, and also covid is likely to get worse in the fall, if nothing else changes.
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@billnelson3405 You are insisting on evidence that is much more comprehensive than what you've provided. You say that "opinions don't matter to me," and yet all you've put forth is your opinion on the data. You may be "a scientist," but you're way outside your specialty here.
Here are specific points of disagreement with your assertions:
"Alina Chan, a molecular biologist and postdoctoral researcher at the Broad Institute of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard, said in a lengthy Twitter thread that the Wuhan subgrant wouldn’t fall under the gain-of-function moratorium because the definition didn’t include testing on naturally occurring viruses “unless the tests are reasonably anticipated to increase transmissibility and/or pathogenicity.” She said the moratorium had “no teeth.” But the EcoHealth/Wuhan grant “was testing naturally occurring SARS viruses, without a reasonable expectation that the tests would increase transmissibility or pathogenicity. Therefore, it is reasonable that they would have been excluded from the moratorium.”"
"The University of Iowa’s Perlman told us the EcoHealth research is trying to see if these viruses can infect human cells and what about the spike protein on the virus determines that. (The spike protein is what the coronavirus uses to enter cells.) The NIH, he said, wouldn’t give money to anybody to do gain-of-function research “per se … especially in China,” and he didn’t think there was anything in the EcoHealth grant description that would be gain of function. But he said there’s a lot of nuance to this discussion."
"Perlman told us that he thought Fauci’s response in the May 11 exchange was correct — that no money was given for gain-of-function research. But, he added, there’s a scientific discussion to be had on the benefits and risks of research making recombinant viruses, which involves rearranging or combining genetic material. The politicization of the issue, Perlman said, “doesn’t do anybody good.”"
Basically, YOU think that the research Eco-Health funded meets the definition of "gain of function." People in the field seem to think that it does not. I would trust their opinion over yours.
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@Sam Vimes There is zero evidence to support the idea that Covid-19 was a modified virus. The most likely explanation for it is still that it was naturally occurring and was first located in the wet markets of Wuhan. IF it first appeared in the Wuhan lab instead, then that would still be the result of an accidental breach of a natural virus that they were studying there, as they have hundreds of similar viruses. IF, and we are getting increasingly unlikely here, IF the virus had been manipulated in any way, it still would not have been a part of any program that Fauci played any role in, as the grants that the NIH had there had ended years prior, and the strains that were a part of that study, while of a similar type to Covid-19, were still different enough that it would have been impossible to turn one into the other, so they were completely unrelated.
TL;DR? Fauci had nothing to do with "creating" Covid-19, period. I don't know why people keep trying to insist that he did. What do you have against the guy?
And no, they did not "pre-make" any vaccine. The vaccine process used a variable delivery mechanism, one that had been in development for a long time, but it was designed to be tailored to any sort of virus, and only by plugging the Covid-19 genome into it did it result in the vaccines actually used. They could have done the same thing with any number of similar viruses, so they didn't need "advanced warning" to get this vaccine out.
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@Sam Vimes The idea that nobody should ever be "forced into" doing something that they don't want to do is a perfectly reasonable stance to take, in any society with a population of up to, but no more than, one person.
So long as a society involves multiple people, the effect someone's actions might have on others is also important to factor into decision making. If someone choosing not to get vaccinated or not to wear a mask allows for a virus to spread within the community around him, then that community has every right to require him to do so, or to not participate in that community. If you want to drink yourself to death, that's your problem, if you want to drink and drive, that's society's problem to correct.
And no, the virus is not man-made. That is, at most, a minority opinion of the fringe of the scientific community, the same people who were advocating quack treatments for the pandemic like what the last President was often promoting. I get that it's comforting to have someone to blame for this, but reality is not so accommodating.
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Defund Democrats The Federal plan was never sufficient to the problem, and continues to be insufficient. It was muddled by the President publicly countermanding the recommendations of his experts, such as refusing to use and discouraging the use of masks, even when it became more and more clear how vital masks are to the process, or when he constantly promoted Chloroquin, even after it was understood that it offers no positive benefits.
If the Federal response had occurred even two weeks sooner than it did (which was entirely possible because the White House was aware of this issue months earlier), the result would have been a hundred thousand less people dead, because viruses grow exponentially, and shutting it down early means massive shifts to the eventual outcomes. If the federal response had been to convince red state governors to treat their Covid response as seriously as New York did, then there wouldn't have been these massive surges they've seen over the past few months, and states like Florida and Texas would only have had a few thousand cases by this point. Instead, the White House was pushing for "everyone to open back up!" which led to the current situation.
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@kennethrohloff7535 But, again, a defendant should not be allowed to attack or intimidate witnesses. A fair judicial process is a necessity, and the ability to attack witnesses undermines that. Trump and his lawyers can say ANYTHING that they want in the courtroom, where it is actually relevant to their case, they just can't take that battle into the streets. Now, once the trial is over, the gag order will be lifted, and he can say whatever he likes about the witnesses, and he certainly has no shortage of defenders who are already doing that work for him, but while the trial goes on, there is no rational basis for allowing him to direct his enemies toward witnesses. And no, the jury are not sequestered. They are told not to watch news coverage, but that's about it. That's why one already left, she was harassed for agreeing to be a juror.
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@cryptarisprotocol1872 I can find absolutely no reference from the UN that Ukraine killed 20,000 civilians, anywhere, at any time. I have no idea who told you that figure, I assume Soviet propaganda, but it does not seem to be true. I blame the killings that actually DID happen on Russia because Russia is the one that did those killings. THAT the UN DOES back up.
And when Putin makes jingoistic comments about how Ukraine does not actually exist in the speech announcing the invasion of Ukraine, after which they deliberately target schools, hospitals, civilian apartments, and civilian bomb shelters, it's hard to make the case that this is not genocide. Other things can also be genocide, but this is one of them too.
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@cryptarisprotocol1872 The Soviet Union is gone? Tell that to Putin, because he clearly doesn't think so. He insists that every part of the Soviet Union belongs to Russia, and that it is a genocide-worthy offense for them to be friendly with other countries. the problem with the Soviet Union had nothing to do with their economic model, the problem with the Soviet Union was their authoritarianism, and that is alive and well in Russia today. Putin is no better than Stalin.
And if you believe "Russia was not present in Donbas between 2014-2021" then clearly the Soviet propaganda has worked on you.
Also, Ukraine does not fight in their cities out of choice, they fight to DEFEND those cities from an invading force. If they were not in those cities, then Russian forces would swoop into them and rape, loot, and murder the population as they have in every other city they have occupied so far. The military forces generally stay separate from the civilian structures, but that does not help the civilians any. Most of the civilian targets hit by Russia had ZERO military presence, and those that did only had a few token soldiers around, never enough to justify missile strikes. A maternity hospital with hundreds of civilian patients and a few soldiers is not suddenly a valid military target.
This is 100% a "Russia is bad here" problem. I don't know why you want to pretend otherwise, unless you are acting in deliberate bad faith on this.
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@Llortnerof Yeah, but they already have a ton of people, so it makes sense to bring that population down a bit over time. You would want the replacement rate better than under the one child policy, obviously, but maybe somewhere more around 1.5 or so? "Less than last generation, but not by a huge amount?"
One thing did occur to me though, they said in the video that replacement rate was "number of people per woman," ie 2.1 per 1 woman would be the goal, but China has a distorted gender balance due to the one child policy, so if they are sticking with the metric of "per woman," then the problem would actually be much worse when relative to the actual population.
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@dzcav3 My definition of "most people" would be "most people." As in "the overwhelming majority of people purchasing a car." To go through your case examples,
Renters who do have a car but do not have access to a garage with charging accessibility will need to consider their charging options. In many cases, they would be driving relatively short distances, so could just charge up once or twice a week in a relatively short amount of time.
People who take long trips regularly might prefer a gas car, but this does not apply to most people. If they do take a long trip in their EV, it's generally doable in a reasonable amount of time, charging while eating a meal or stopped at a hotel for the night. It does take some more planning at the moment, but isn't an actual problem. Less frequent trip takers could also just rent a car for the short time they would need it.
Poor people would save money over the long term by buying a used EV, which can cost less than $10K. The up front costs might be higher than for a gas car, but that's where government assistance can bridge the gap.
Even the "high prices" of public chargers is well less than the cost at gas stations.
And of course the availability of charging options will only improve over time, soon enough even apartment dwellers will have convenient access to charging, and charge times are reducing drastically, so using a public charger will take about as much time as filling a gas tank.
In any case, "most people" are outside of all of those categories.
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@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it Oh, no, you're wrong about "heat." Or at least misguided. Yes, everything humans do generates "heat," and it would be more efficient to generate as little as possible, but the heat generated by humans directly, things like stoves and home heating and all that, is completely negligible on a climate level. If we had 100% green energy then we could afford to keep everything as hot as we like it to be and on a global level it would make no difference. The issue is the CO2, because the heat it generates is magnitudes more than the heat form stoves or boilers. The sun is POWERFUL.
Think of it like this, it's a bit like having a glass box that's 10ft to a side, set in the middle of the arctic. If it's night time, and you light a match in there, and keep lighting new matches as they burn out, it would take forever to get that room up to a decent temperature. But leave that box out in the sunshine and it can reach a cozy temperature within hours.
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@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it CO2 might be relatively weak, but there is enough of it that it causes a pretty massive outcome. I mean, this is not guess work at play here, they know how much is up there and how much effect it will have, and that adds up to "the bad stuff we're seeing right now."
I haven't looked into the greenhouse effect H@O has, and you might be right that it is more, but if so, it was a factor that was in equilibrium, and has not changed significantly, so the CHANGE in outcomes is due to the CO2. It would be like if you were outside on an 70 degree day, sun is shining, and then you put on a heavy coat. Obviously the sunshine has a bigger impact on your warmth than the heavy coat, but the addition of a coat that you didn't previously have would make a massive difference to your personal temperature.
And again, the raw heat generated by ALL human activity has been accounted for, it does not come remotely close to enough to account for the changes we're seeing. The sun IS that powerful.
As to your discussion of "Gasses other than CO2," I think that's semantics. Those gasses are largely generated as a byproduct of the same processes that are traditional referred to as "CO2 emitters." Yes, when discussing the topic to laypeople, the media will typically keep it simple and only refer to the most basic element, but it's not like the science isn't also keeping track of all that other stuff. Methane, for example, is certainly considered a major green house gas. It is more technically accurate to say "Green House Gases" rather than "CO2," but it's also a longer term, and in practice makes little difference to the discussion. The answers are the same either way.
Also, the "break even" point for an EV to be better for the environment, ALL factors considered, is around two years, for the average driver.
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@johnny.d.1930 Yes, government revenue did grow after the tax cuts. And it grew before the tax cuts.
Unemployment fell at the same rates after the tax cuts as before them. The unemployment rate fell an average of 0.6% each year under Obama, from 9.6% when he took office, to 4.87 when he left. It fell an average of 0.4% per year under Trump (counting up to 2020, where it spiked up), from 4.78% to 3.67%. At no point in there did unemployment fall at a faster rate than it had consistently under Obama, especially not directly after the Trump tax cuts.
The stock markets reacted the same way, they continued to rise at the SAME rates after the tax cut as they had before it, no faster or slower (at least until spring 2020, of course). In fact, if anything, you could argue that they had plateaued a bit, but stock markets tend to do that over short terms. It certainly did not rise at a FASTER rate at any point after the tax cuts.
I would like to assume that you aren't making deliberately bad faith arguments here, but at the most charitable interpretation, you seem to be mindlessly regurgitating factoids that some right-wing site told you to say, which cherry pick data to give the illusion of positive benefits, when none actually took place, except for the wealthy people who got to buy more yachts. You need to look into these topics yourself and build a more complete picture if you're going to be trying to explain them to others.
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I have always wanted an Easy Mode in Souls games, because I've wanted to play them, but found the original design too frustrating to enjoy. The articles in question might poorly define this debate, but I think it's definitely worth having. I have hope that Elden Ring might be better for players who want to play more casually, since you have more versatility in how you can upgrade, and do better at overcoming it. I just hope that this leveling process would not be excessively slow or boring. Just clearing the map should provide plenty.
I watched a streamer I follow playing through one of the story bosses in the test, the one with the energy weapons, and he was having a hard time with it, but eventually beat it. I respect his skills and if he was struggling like that, I doubt I could complete it, but also, he was massively underleveled so he needed to strike the boss dozens of times, and I'm hoping that I would be able to just outlevel that encounter and be able to phase the boss with only one or two attacks.
I think that the primary difference between what I've seen of Elden Ring and other Soulslikes is that so far, the save points seem to be more generous, putting you much closer to the fight that killed you, so "runback" is less of a hassle. This is my most serious concern, because I can handle dying a dozen times to a boss where I spawn right outside and can run right back in, but HATE situations where dying to a boss even a few times would force me to run back through a winding, thirty second or longer path. This "repeated tedium" aspect just drains any fun out of the title for me.
In any case, I think that the game should always be tuned more for its current audience, the people who want this "hardcore" experience or whatever, but I also see no harm in providing alternative paths for those that would prefer it. There is no conflict there. To each their own.
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@lexdunmon7345 Well, on the one hand, it should be one or the other, the mileage tax should only apple to EVs, and writing the law that way would not be difficult, as there are already various taxes specific to certain classes of vehicle. But on the other hand, if they do apply a"double dip" tax, that would not be the worst thing either, at least if it doesn't kick in for another 5 years or so, since ideally people would be shifting to EVs anyway, and increasing the relative cost of an ICE car at that point could only be a good thing, right?
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@CNe7532294 Well, that's much less a "well known fact" and more of a "well spread misinformation." While there is certainly some energy loss in charging an EV (unless you have enough home energy generation to cover it), power plant energy production, even using oil as a fuel, is much more efficient than a car engine, and you also have to factor in the inefficiencies of transporting the gasoline to the gas stations. And this is only a factor at all if the power plant is running on fossil fuels, the more we shift toward renewable sources, the less this will be a factor.
Also, far more of an EV's components can be recycled than what's put into an ICE vehicle's fuel tanks. almost all the lithium in a battery can be recycled, for example, while none of an ICE's gasoline gets recycled. The "Carbon footprint" of building an EV is higher than the carbon footprint of building an ICE car, but only by a relatively small amount, and a couple years of average driving will pay off this "carbon debt" and every mile beyond that will have a lower total carbon footprint than the ICE does.
As for fire risk, yeah, lithium battiers do burn, but you know what else burns? Gasoline. It burns REALLY well, and very explosively. Most Hollywood explosions are gasoline. Lithium fires are persistent, but fairly slow and steady, meaning if you get into a crash, and it does start a fire, chances are you will be able to get out of the vehicle and get well away from it with no harm done. A gasoline car, on the other hand, will explode, likely giving you no chance to avoid it. Also, while raw lithium can combust with water, it is not a factor with finished EV batteries, and you can even put out an EV fire using pumped water.
So while you raise some interesting points about EVs not being perfect, and there obviously still being room for improvement, they are still far superior to the alternative of driving an ICE vehicle under most conditions. You sure did have a laundry list of industry talking points though. . .
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I think that in most wealthy countries, there should be a massive tax on home ownership, but this tax is waived on your primary residence, so most people who only own one home would see no difference. For those with multiple homes, it would become very expensive to hold onto them. For rental properties, there would be a significant tax for those too, one that scales up based on the value of the property, but one designed to be offset based on the number of affordable housing units provided, so the more people they have actually living in apartments at an affordable price, the less impact that tax would have, whereas the more people they try to get to pay high rates, the higher the taxes would climb.
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@RansackTheElder68 HCQ is as dangerous as I think it is, which is why it should only be taken when necessary. Most drugs have risks attached, so they should only be taken when the thing they cure effectively is worse than the side effects. That is the case with the Covid vaccines, which are extremely effective against covid, and have relatively low risk to them. It is NOT the case with HCQ, which is NOT effective against covid, and therefore the risks it poses are nowhere near worth taking. Malaria is a virus, but that does not mean that a drug that is useful against one virus is equally useful against everything else. It would be handy if that were true. The covid vaccine will not protect you against malaria, I suppose it's fair to point out.
I have no idea why you are latched onto some fringe drug when safe and effective remedies are available free of charge, but that's your business. The doctors and scientists that push these fringe theories are not "well respected," they are quacks. It is not that hard to get a medical degree from some mail-away program and start portraying yourself as a "medical expert," just look at Rand Paul. But when they are pushing products that are contrary to what most doctors believe is safe and effective, you have to ask yourself why they would do that, and what they stand to gain. If you cannot see what that would be, then you are not looking deep enough.
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@drganknstein Well, the thing is, people who voted for Biden probably don't watch Faux News, so they don't live in Narnia like Trump voters, and in the real world, those are not the problems that Faux News makes them out to be. There is a significant amount of immigrants crossing the border, but people living in the real world know that this is an issue because Republicans have held up actual immigration reform for decades now, and the border judges necessary to process these immigrants and make them productive members of US society are massively understaffed. People who live in the real world know that Biden has kept fuel and grocery costs lowers than they've risen in most parts of the world post-pandemic, and that those would both be MUCH worse under a conservative government's policies, like they are in the UK. And people living in the real world also recognize that supporting Ukraine IS putting America first, because policies of appeasing authoritarians did not work out in WWII, and won't work out here. The only people pushing us to abandon Ukraine are Putin and his allies. And don't even get me started on Trump himself, he's a literal no-brainer.
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@jaba8625 #1 Healthcare premiums doubled since Obama was in office too, healthcare premiums keep going up, that's a health care company thing. They would be a lot lower if Republicans did not consistently block Democratic efforts to reform the healthcare system.
#2 It is vital that everyone have insurance. Covering the uninsured is part of what drove up prices under Trump. Again, Democrats have a solution for this, it is Republicans that are blocking it.
#3 Good.
#4 No company cuts labor due to business taxes, and no company hires because taxes are low. Businesses hire people when they need people to make more money, and fire people when they have more people than they need. Unemployment is at a record LOW right now. Businesses can't find the workers they want because everyone already has jobs. All low corporate taxes do is transfer the tax burden from them, to YOU.
#5 The IRS, FBI, and ATF won't be at my door any time soon, because I don't do crimes. If people ARE doing crimes though, I, as a taxpayer, WANT those guys showing up at their door.
#6 The only people he pisses off is Republicans, and he does that by not being the guy they wanted. There's nothing he could be doing to make them like him, and that's fine, because they don't deserve someone that they like. As for the rest of the world, Biden is extremely popular in other countries, except with Putin and the CCP, who I guess is what you meant by "a lot of the world."
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@Nicktheguy24 You could, but you would be completely wrong if you tried that, because it wouldn't actually be true. That would be the difference. Reality exists, you don't get to just decide what reality you want to live in. The reality we all currently share is the one in which Donald Trump is morally bankrupt, and completely incompetent, and in which Biden is intelligent and capable (stutter aside), and morally sound. Now Trump followers can like him anyway, because he tells them what they want to hear and appeals to their racism and ignorance, but they don't get to pretend that he's NOT ignorance and amoral. They don't get to live in some Narnia where "actually he's a stable genius." If they try to claim that, then they will get called out on it, every time, because that's something most kids grow out of by middle school.
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@chadwood4412 I think you misunderstand his stuttering condition. Stuttering is caused by an over focus on getting the word you want to say out right, leading to freezing up. The method he practiced to compensate for his stutter is to instead force himself to pivot off the word he was intending to say, and onto a different word. Most of the time, this is unnoticeable, but more and more often now, the word that he springs to as a replacement doesn't fit his original intent, and is noticeably "wrong."
Even though this is the case, the overall direction of his speech can remain on target and continue to return to his core principles, which shows that his active mind is handling things just fine, even if his words fail him. Compare that to a typical Trump speech, in which he will just ramble on and on about innumerable grievances until someone pulls him off the stage, with with no clear points. Did you know that "build the wall" exists primarily as a mnemonic device, something he can whip out when he's completely lost his train of thought and just wants to "reset" the speech?
I think it would be great to get a better orator into the White House, like Obama, but he's term limited right now. That not being an option, I prefer someone who thinks well, and feels well, over someone who can't think or feel at all.
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@sufyb6432 Not really. I mean, 1. a lot of people still didn't wear masks at all, or used them sarcastically, so the virus still would have passed between them, like it currently does among the unvaccinated. 2. nobody ever claimed that they were 100% effective, or needed to be, they help. Two people wearing masks in a room, one sick and one healthy, them wearing masks does not make it impossible to transmit the virus, but it does reduce the odds. It means that out of 100 situations in which the virus would pass from one person to another if neither wore masks, there would be some portion of those people who would not get infected if one or both were wearing effective masks. So the better question is, why not wear a mask where you can, when it helps?
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@RighteousRage The flue is a lot more mild than the pandemic was. More Americans died from the pandemic in 2020 alone than in 10+ years of flu deaths, and that was after being much more careful than people are about the flu. Extraordinary threats require extraordinary responses.
On top of that, there is an effective flu vaccine, which we did not have for the pandemic until after Biden took office, and also, in some places, they do wear masks during flu season, and it does work, but that's more of a personal choice thing, since, again, the risks are MUCH lower.
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@wildfire9280 I'm generally not a fan of direct democracy. If we're learned nothing else from maga, it's that people are dumb. Representative democracy is better, the people get a say in who is in charge, but people in charge are at least more likely to be wiser than the people voting for them, and can also access specialized knowledge that the public cannot, so they are more likely to make the correct choices. No system is perfect though. I wouldn't mind some tweaks, removing the EC, removing state districting, going to ranked choice voting, consolidating a few of the emptier states, etc., but it's still better than destroying the whole thing.
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@MCsCreations The problem is that there is a massive difference between a valid scientific debate and "pop debate" between random people on the Internet. If actual scientists are debating a topic in good faith and using accurate data, then it can have productive results, but too much of what is mislabled "debate" on the Internet is just one side presenting a well reasoned and supported case, and the other side giving a cool story, and the audience siding with the cool story. That is of no benefit to anyone.
If someone presents a compelling scientific position, then there is ZERO value to "well, but maybe you're wrong?" If they are wrong, then the only value would be in finding EVIDENCE to contradict their position and presenting that, but too many prefer to hear "well maybe you're wrong" on a topic they don't want to be true, and just accept that as a valid counterargument, which breaks the entire concept of "productive debate."
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@juliemunoz2762 You want to believe that The 14th "does not provide that illegals who invade our Country and drop a baby here are automatically the parents of a US citizen," yet that is EXACTLY what those words YOU quoted MEAN. They may not have planned for the amendment to result in that, but that does not change the fact that it is the CONSEQUENCE of the 14th amendment existing, and that if that bothers you, the ONLY way to change it would be a new amendment.
"That's not what we wanted to happen" has NEVER been a constitutional challenge.
"The key is “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”: Consider the French ambassador and his lovely young wife stationed in Washington, DC. She gives birth to a child here. Her child was born here. But is her child “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States? No! The child is subject to the same jurisdiction as his parents: France."
The only reason why the children of diplomats are not granted birthright citizenship is because their parents have diplomatic immunity, and are therefore outside of US jurisdiction. An illegal immigrant, on the other hand, IS within US jurisdiction, otherwise it would be impossible for them to be "illegal," since people outside of US jurisdiction are INCAPABLE of committing crimes under US law. If someone was "outside of US jurisdiction," then they could murder someone without it being a crime.
It's also worth noting that even among foreign diplomats, not all of them are granted diplomatic immunity, and if those employees have children in the US, their child would be a US citizen. Of course, they would likely also have dual citizenship with their parent's country.
"They were not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” – they were subject to the jurisdiction of their tribes."
Exactly my point. And illegal immigrants are not tribal members, and are therefore subject to US jurisdiction.
"An illegal alien who invades our Country is in the same status as the French Ambassador’s wife. "
This is completely false. Illegal immigrants are NOT granted diplomatic immunity.
"The baby she drops here is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the Country she left."
This is also not true, the baby would not be "subject to the jurisdiction" of any country other than the US, so long as it remained on US soil. It would only be subject to the jurisdiction of the parent's home country if it went there.
"Pursuant to Art. I, Sec. 8, clause 4, US Constitution, Congress may make laws deciding how people become naturalized citizens."
Yes, but also, later portions of the Constitution supersede earlier portions, so in this case, the 14th amendment supersedes Act 1 Sec 8, clause 4. Once the 14th was added, while Congress does retain the right to make laws for naturalization, they are restricted to doing so within the bounds of the 14th, and cannot do anything that would alter what the 14th says without passing a new amendment.
And Professor Edward Erler is an idiot who is telling you what you wish to be true, so you believe him. This reflects poorly on you. Be a better consumer of information.
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@adamh4594 The interests of rural areas are not somehow more important than those of city areas and therefore in need of some special protections though. People are people, the people living in rural areas count exactly as much as those in urban areas, no more, no less.
And urban areas no more "vote as a monoilith" than rural areas do, everyone just votes the topics that matter to them.
Also, people keep complaining about how California is a messed up state, but you know who's fault that is? Local government. It's local county and city councils setting zoning laws that have led to the housing crisis and many related issues, not state level governments where one region overrides another. There's no inherent virtue to "local governance."
"Does it make any sense for the laws decided on in California, to consistently take precedent over the laws the local communities of Rhode Island want for themselves, simply because 'democracy and California has a majority of people'?"
Yes. Obviously. Why wouldn't more people have a larger say in how things get done?
"This very factor is just one of the reasons the electoral college is so incredibly important in America and is a direct influence over our ability to be cohesive."
The electoral college hadn't been relevant to outcomes for a hundred years or more. It was only recently that one party started losing a LOT of popular votes while still clinging onto the electoral college win, and suddenly it's become a Very Big Deal. It's almost like they don't care about "fair outcomes," they only care about winning by any means necessary.
"You see a direct correlation with social cohesion and social order break down."
Not really, there's been a lot more social breakdown in the past than we have today, like during the civil rights movement. Typically, any time when great strides are being made for minority groups, there is a violent and angry protest from conservatives on the matter, and that is to be expected, but it will pass, and America will continue to improve.
I also don't think I should point out that the previous administration is entirely to blame for these divides, not the current one. The current one has been running a very middle of the road administration, he just happens to not be the one that those on the right could be satisfied with.
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@adamh4594 You are misunderstanding the founders. They tried the "loose states under a weak federal" government, and it failed completely, so THEN they wrote the Constitution to REPLACE that idea with a more centralized federal government. Not ALL founders agreed with that, so I'm sure you can find quotes from one or two that felt differently, but the vision they eventually AGREED on involved a strong federal government overriding the states.
Also, just for the record, the word "republic" has nothing to do with "loose states," those are two very distinct concepts. A Republic is just a representative democracy, whether that involves one state, or many. I think the term you mean to say is "confederation," which is not what we currently have.
"Not really. High populated areas consistently vote blue. Rural is often more conservative, but you have a far bigger mixed bag."
You have both progressive and conservative people in both cities and rural areas. The majority in cities tends to be blue, and the majority in areas without cities tends to be red. Rural areas have no "high ground" in this matter, they just tend to vote the way you prefer them to vote.
"And it wasn't local government that entirely messed up this state. It was state government. "
If you actually believe that, then you have been misled. Look into it from better sources.
Newsome is not the reason for SF's problems, their city planning boards are the reason for their problems, LOCAL level control is the reason for their problems.
"One is pro life. The other is pro abortion. Do you honestly think the better situation is where one of those communities dictates how the other lives? "
I think that the people living in those community have to deal with the consequences either way, so I believe in whichever leads to the outcome in which the choice is left to the individual to make. I do not feel that people who want that choice should be abandoned because they happen to live in a state where the majority chooses to deny them that option. Larger scale decision making tends to lead to the best possible outcomes for all people.
"The riots of the original civil rights movement pale in comparison to the riots of 2020."
Wow.
They have really done a number on you, haven't they.
It will blow your mind when you find out the truth.
"The 90's had far more cohesive communities then what we have today."
Then why was violent crime massively higher in the 90s than it is today?
"And you seem to be neglecting the fact that it was conservatives (and still is) that pass civil rights legislation... "
No, it was always progressives that pushed that legislation, and it was always conservatives that fought against it. That's the nature of being conservative. I think you're a bit confused because you're thinking about it as "Republican = conservative," and that's pretty true today, but wasn't always the case. The 1860s Republicans certainly weren't conservative, and a large chunk of the 1960s Democrats were very conservative. It was the progressive wings of both parties that pushed through the civil rights legislation.
"And while he wasn't the boogeyman the left endlessly insists on... he is a crass, boorish man with effectively no verbal filter between his brain and mouth. "
That's a distraction. People do not hate him because he is rude and personally offensive. They hate him because his POLICIES are rude and offensive. They hate him for the HARM that he caused, and insists that he plans to cause if he regains power. Don't pretend that these are trivial reasons.
"He ran on being middle ground, but lets be honest, Biden has no political values other than what his party directs him... he is little more than a failing figurehead."
Then why is the progressive base constantly at war with him? He takes very centrist positions on issues, it's just that the center is more to the left than you want it to be. Pretty much all of his individual policies, if polled in a vacuum, are popular with the majority of Americans, in many cases even with the majority of Republicans. It's only when you bring his name up that the conservatives boo.
I do agree that the issues existed prior to Trump, but he certainly blew them up exponentially. The root cause was the founding of Faux News in the 90s, where they were telling people the stories they wanted to hear, instead of reality, and the right became more and more divorced from reality. Then a black man got elected President, and the Tea Party movement showed up, and large portions of the center and right got very interested in politics, Trump among them. And then Trump became president, and a lot of people got a lot more bold about things that maybe they'd kept to themselves before. He certainly never made anything better.
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@adamh4594 And also again, NOBODY is arguing in favor of a direct democracy. ANY time you head someone saying something like "democracy is at risk," they are SPECIFICALLY talking about ensuring that the democratic COMPONENT of the constitutional republic remains functional and valid. Stop bringing up direct democracies unprompted, it just makes it seem like you don't know what you're talking about.
"In your desire for no electoral college, states wouldn't be represented, nor would their people."
That's not remotely true. The electoral college only reduces representation, it does not add to it. People are represented by the members they elect to Congress, relative to their numbers. People are represented in the Presidential vote by their single vote cast for the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate wins or loses. If a person chooses a candidate that loses the popular vote, then that is their representation in action. Nothing should guarantee them that their candidate wins, if the people decide otherwise.
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@adamh4594 Why would you think Biden is not a moderate? He tends to reflect the centrist American viewpoint at any given time, which gets him in trouble with the progressive base on a fairly regular basis.
And yes, the center is moving forward, the center ALWAYS moves forward. In 1860 "maybe a little less slavery" was a left of center prospect. The center is more to the left today than it was twenty years ago, and it will be more to the left still in twenty years. The progressive fringe is always uncomfortably ahead of that curve, but the curve does eventually catch up.
And like I pointed out, 65% of Americans want to abolish the electoral college, that IS the center. What other views do you think I hold that are NOT supported by the majority of Americans?
And again, just to avoid confusion, a "direct democracy," the one that the founders opposed, is one in which EVERY issue is up to a public vote. everything is decided by referendum. The republic is one in which that same people do not vote directly on every issue, but they do get fair representation in the government. The idea is not to give unfair representation of any one group over any other, it's just to put in middlemen who would ideally not be so caught up in fever that they would swing too wildly.
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I think that things like memory and processing speed are factors of intelligence, and should be part of any test of human intelligence, but they are definitely not the only factors, and should perhaps just be one branch of a multi-response IQ. Like instead of testing many things and then having a single averaged score between them, you would test memory and processing speed, and those would be two scores out of 3-5 total scores that would make up your total "IQ." Different people would excel in different branches, but like the Decathlon, those that excel in most or all of them would rise higher than those who excel only in some (but excelling in any is beneficial).
I also think that checking people's knowledge of real world facts is largely irrelevant to "intelligence," since a very intelligent by uneducated person would not know things, while a fairly dumb but determined person can remember a decent amount of facts. I think that memory testing for IQ should be to read a page or two of completely made up nonsense, essentially a page of Lord of the Rings, only not anything that has existed in fiction before, and then being quizzed about that without being able to check back at it. In that sense, real world knowledge would be largely irrelevant, and it would be about them being able to retain complex knowledge and process it, even if they are starting from not knowing anything about it.
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@61shirley Yes, but those were different life forms that had different biologies. The animals currently on Earth, including humans, would be incapable of surviving at those CO2 levels. The other issue is that the rate of change is faster than most animals are capable of adapting to, so instead of just getting slightly better at dealing with higher temperatures each generation until they are ready to deal with Jurassic conditions, they would either need to get ready within a few generations or die, and most creatures can't keep up with that pace.
Some life would survive, and might eventually evolve into new and interesting things, as the various birds and mammals replaced the dinosaurs, but it would still be kind of nice to just keep the current species around, right?
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@61shirley Well, we'd be saving MOST of the Earth. Yes, SOME life would flourish with or without us, but MOST of the species currently on the planet would die off, and we'd be left with some of the plants, some of the insets, some of the lizards, and that's about it. Personally, I think it would be a good thing if humanity weren't the cause of the largest extinction since the Permian-Triassic. Don't you?
And I don't know what you mean about the Romans growing grapes, there was a localized warm period in Europe during Roman times, but worldwide it was nowhere close to modern temperatures. I think maybe you are confusing "weather" and "climate."
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@firstladyshine They don't know what you intend to write off, but they don't have to. Most people don't itemize anyway, they just take the standard deduction and move on. A simplified process would just involve them sending you a bill, "You owe $X, the standard deduction would be $Y, reducing the total to $Z." Then you could either click "Ok," and pay that, OR you could click "Itemize deductions," and go through a checklist of potential deductions that you would add in, and it would recalculate the total. They already do a lot of this on their existing tax filing systems, it's just surrounded by a lot of other complicated stuff that mostly won't apply to you.
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@firstladyshine Sure, but that's step 2. Currently, the way it works is that it's the taxpayer's responsibility to do ALL the work, to enter ALL the data (and to figure out which data is relevant to their own taxes, like whether they are a farmer or clergy), and then once they are done, the IRS tells them if they caught them getting anything wrong. But for most taxpayers, most of that stuff is irrelevant. For most, they could just provide a starting value, "we think you made $20K this year," and you can correct that if you think they got it wrong, then you can either pick the standard deduction or add in individual deductions.
They could frame it as a series of simple questions, "do you do this?" "Did you do that?" "if so, how much did you spend on it?" etc., and factor those answers into the result, rather than having this huge form of cryptic names and boxes that you mostly end up leaving empty, but need to double check with the instructions to see what that box even means.
For most taxpayers, they could just start it up, click "ok" a few times, and be completely done in minutes, because all the weird exceptions would never apply to them. For others, they might have to click through a few extra questions and check boxes to cover some exceptions to their taxes, but it should all be very simple and straight forward. Only the very rare exception would need to be going through every option in the list, because they have such a complicated financial history that all sorts of things would apply.
If it makes things super simple for most taxpayers, that's a good thing.
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@blakerobertson6526 That's a fun theory, four problems with it. One, whether you can register to vote or not depends on the state laws, there is no consistent federal law on the matter, beyond that you can only vote once. Two, some states are harder to register in than others, so if your "permanent residence" happens to be in Texas when you are going to college in Indiana, you might have difficulty registering to vote for the first time without returning to Texas, which might not be an option. Three, there is no reason why a college student can't vote in the place they go to college, that IS legally their residence while they are going there, but certainly there are plenty of states that don't want their college students voting, too educated, so they craft laws to make that more difficult. Four, many of those same states do NOT allow school ids to count as voter id, quite specifically. It's very easy to vote in a democratic state, but anti-democratic states want to make it as unlikely as possible that a person would be able to vote.
Either way, voter ID is pointless.
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Same answer as last time, the future of cars is not hybrids, the present of cars are hybrids, because people/infrastructure is not ready to comfortably take that leap yet. In future though, these will not be issues. The transition point is when charging options become so convenient that hybrid owners find themselves never picking up gas, and then when they buy a new car, they decide to go full electric. Also, "new options" will always be picked up by the wealthy first, because this is both easier for them and more profitable for the people making them, but then those early adopters re-sale their vehicles into the used market, which is where the lower classes can get one, until the market is large enough that the new cars are affordable too. This is all well understood, solved economics problems.
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@vade137 Because that's what you do when you market a drug. Like look at any drug commercial, they will say something like "Dupixent (dupilumab)" The "Dupixent" is the brand name, it is something they have Trademarked and market to the public. The "dupilumab" is the "inside the company" name for the drug itself, which they tested it under and all that, but they didn't bother any marketing push until it was actually approved, because a lot of drugs fail at approval, so the "Dupixent" part of the name didn't even exist until then.
So now that the Pfizer vaccine is approved, they are allowed to market it, there will be commercials on TV promoting it just like the various other drug ads. But what are they going to call it, "the Pfizer vaccine?" No, they want to have a specific trademarked brand identity for it. That's just how marketing works.
Anyway, the "point of FDA approval" had nothing to do with the Biden administration, it is just what drugs do when they are submitted to the FDA. Full approval was always something they were working towards, it just involves a lot of red tape so it takes a long time to wade through, which is why they got the emergency authorization after the testing turned out positively.
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@vade137 In July, 25,000 Americans died of covid, only a handful of them had been vaccinated. At that time, over 50% of the population had been vaccinated though, so if "the vaccine didn't work," then half the dead should have been vaccinated people too, but they weren't. If the vaccinated population had not been vaccinated, it seems likely that in July there would have been around 40-50,000 dead instead of 25,000, while if everyone had been vaccinated, then there probably would have been less than 1000 dead.
The vaccines are not perfect, nor has anyone ever claimed that they are. They are not meant to make people completely 100% immune to the virus. What they do provide is a serious defense against the virus, greatly reducing transmission, infection, hospitalization, and death. You hear about the "breakthrough" cases because they are unusual, when the reality is that the overwhelming majority of those in the hospital are unvaccinated. Getting a booster of the vaccine is not terribly unusuall, most vaccines require multiple shots. Look at childhood vaccine schedules, you'll see that most of the vaccines you have to take 1-2 shots when around 1yo, and then another shot around 5 or so, and that's what provides a strong lifelong protection.
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@vade137 Lol, "the numbers sound made up," no, they aren't "made up," they're the actual numbers recorded. The number of people who die is much higher than it would be if people were less reckless about it. If you haven't heard of mass burials then you haven't been paying any attention at all. Funeral homes and crematoriums have been overloaded lately, look it up yourself.
They don't exactly track "people that get sick and get better," because that's a really complicated thing to keep track of. What they do track is numbers of people who have been newly infected and people who actual die, so if you'd like you can make a rough calculation based on that, but the point is that thousands of people are dying, and there's no reason for most of those because if they'd been vaccinated, they would have lived.
Also, the case of nursing home deaths were misreported on certain Faux News stations. What they did wrong was labeling people who died in NY hospitals that had come from nursing homes as "hospital deaths" instead of "nursing home deaths," but the actual number of nursing home deaths was not higher than in other equivalent states. It certainly didn't lead to more deaths than otherwise. It wasn't "more people dead than reported," it was just "the places where people had died" being misreported, so not really relevant to anyone outside of New York.
As for people who have gotten sick and survived, why "celebrate" that? I mean, it's good for them, yeah, but wouldn't it be better if they hadn't gotten sick at all because people took better care of themselves? It doesn't do anything to reduce the number of people killed by the pandemic. If we're going to throw a party every time someone doesn't die, we'd never get any work done.
As for people who survive having antibodies, the research so far indicates that surviving covid gives far weaker protection than the vaccines, and it wears off much faster than even without the booster. There is no reason for businesses to consider previous infection as some sort of alternative to vaccination, it's the vaccination status that is medically significant.
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@vade137 It really doesn't make you "think about the fiancial bonuses hospitals get for diagnosing COVID and using Ventilators" unless oyu are a bit silly and conspiratorially minded. The covid death stats are high in the US because the US has a particularly high number of stupid people, relative to other parts of the world. I mean, our adult population is only 67% vaccinated, even though the vaccines have been available for months now. A lot of people refuse to wear masks unless absolutely forced to do so, and even then whine like babies in a crib about it. Hospitals would like NOTHING more than to keep people OUT of the hospitals, the people who work there are EXHAUSTED by all of this.
It's also worth keeping in mind that the US has much better testing and medical treatment than in most third world countries, so plenty of people who die there of covid aren't adequately recorded as such. They just die. Not to mention that they don't have as much urban population density or international travel as the US does, so the virus does not spread around as rapidly there. I mean, they don't have idiot biker rallies where they don't wear masks and then split up all across the country to infect those communities like we do.
I really wish that we weren't more likely to die of covid than in other countries, but that would require having less stupid Americans that want to pretend that nothing is wrong and that they can just act like "business as usual" and it will all totally work out.
The Doctor you cited is just not a particularly trustworthy one. He panders to an audience that doesn't want to believe that things are as bad as they actually are, and he tells them what they want to hear so that he can make money off of their ignorance. It really makes you think about why he would do such a thing, when it leads to thousands of unnecessary deaths. . .
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@vade137 You need to listen to the words being said, not just look at the pictures. The words are the important part. Whichever undertakers you are talking about, they were either lying to you because they are promoting the conspiracy theories, or they were extreme outliers. It's not like there was a 10x increase in overall deaths, several million people are expected to die each year, and "only" 600,000 additional Americans died last year than were expected, so it's not like they would be overloaded all the time, but it was still 600,000 Americans that didn't have to die if their fellow Americans were less stupid, and they still did pile up in situations where an area had an extreme spike like Florida is seeing today, and New York was getting early last year.
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@vade137 I am "carrying water" for no one, other than the American people. I am only telling you the unvarnished truth of the matter, in the hopes that you will stop spreading misinformation that is costing American lives. Of course, who knows, maybe that's what you're being paid to do, and if so, I guess, find a better job?
The pandemic isn't "neatly sorted by age groups," that's just how it is reported. It does effect older age groups more, because the things it does to the human body are things that older bodies are less capable of handling, but it's not like if you are one year older than your risk shoots way up or anything like that, it's just that when you collect data you write it out in categories, so the "31-40" age group and then the "41-50" age group would see a huge jump, but if you just looked at the "40-41" age group you wouldn't see a huge jump right there.
The problem was that people were never really "on board with" the CDC. They were willing to listen for a few weeks, but then the pandemic wasn't "solved" yet an they got bored and antsy, and they wanted out NOW, even though it wasn't safe to do so. That, unfortunately, is not how it works. You can't just "quit pandemicking" because you aren't having fun. It's like children on a car trip, "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?"
No, we are not there yet, sit down, shut up, and be patient.
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@zatoichi3652 If you want that to be your stance on the matter, then it can be, but it is not the one that I am advocating. I don't believe it would be necessary to ban alcohol, but it should still be illegal to abuse it, such as driving drunk. Likewise, if you are in public without being masked and vaccinated, then you are likely to spread the virus to others, just as a drunk driver is likely to hit people, and so it is in society's interests to prevent that.
I don't WANt the government telling me or anyone else what to do, what I WANT is for them to do the right thing ON THEIR OWN. But since we, as a country, have proven ourselves INCAPABLE of doing the right thing on our own, it has become NECESSARY for the government to ensure that the right thing be done.
If you don't want the government telling you that you have to wear a mask and get vaccinated, then the best way to ensure that is to wear your mask and get vaccinated.
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@j8thgen479 Plenty of people "with immune systems" have died from this virus, Justin. While people with comorbitities are at more risk, that does not mean that those without them have none. And besides, it's not about you. There are others with those comorbitities out there, so if you can do your part to ensure that they don't get sick, then you can take pride in that. I promise you, it will feel better than the shame of knowing that all you did during this pandemic was make things worse for everyone.
And I think you misunderstood the recent CDC discussion, they do not say that vaccinated people spread just as much as unvaccinated, only that they still spread some. So long as you wear your mask and socially distance, you can prevent the spread of the virus to those around you. I saw a meme that I think is perfect for this moment, it went something like "What if in a year or two they discover that masks did absolutely nothing to protect against the virus, and they were just playing us like fools for wearing them? I'd feel great, because I knew that either way, I was at least trying to protect people as best I could." Do your best.
And as for the CDC and WHO "changing their stories?" That is EXACTLY what we should WANT them to do. That is how science works, it does not have the answers, it has questions. Questions are good. The CDC gave the best guidance it had AT THE TIME at the start of the pandemic. This was a new virus and there was very little data to work with. As more research came in, it might seem that a certain strategy was helpful, so they would recommend it. If even more research came in, those strategies might not have been that important, so they would remove that guidance. That's fine, it's better to do the best you have with the information available than to do nothing at all.
Don't be afraid of questions, OR of answers that you don't like.
Also, I just gotta lol, "nobody in this thread is a conspiracy theorist!. . . Why do we always have to say “yes master” to the government ? If you’re a useless puppet than ok,"
Lol.
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@j8thgen479 I called people conspiracy theorists because they refuse to accept the answers to their questions if those answers do not line up with their conspiracy theories about "big government being sneaky." If the answer is "there is a pandemic going on and it's in everyone's interest to get vaccinated and wear masks," they would prefer to ignore that answer and continue to believe in their conspiracies. Asking a question is ONLY of value if you're prepared to listen to the answer, otherwise it's just an excuse to not behave responsibly.
As for masks, you're missing the point entirely. Like I said, the point of scientific advice is to act with the best information we have, collect MORE information, and then ADAPT to that new information. Fauci did say masks don't work, EARLY in the pandemic, when we didn't KNOW what we do now. At the time he said that, masks were in extremely short supply, medical professionals could not get what they wanted because the Trump administration had failed to replenish the emergency stockpiles and were buying up available stock away from the doctors who needed them. At the time he said that, it was the best advice based on what we knew at the time, that it was not necessary for the average person to wear one.
In the weeks and months that followed, more data came in, and that data showed that communities that had consistent mask wearing DID reduce community spread. The point of the mask on your face is not about making you immune to the virus, although it does provide some protection there, it is more about protecting others from the air coming out of your mouth, which might be infected or not. So then Fauci updated his guidance based on this new information, so people should be wearing masks.
Then a few months back, with the data showing that vaccinated people spread the virus less than unvaccinated people, the CDC gave the guidance that fully vaccinated people did not need to wear masks, but still could if they wanted to. I believe that this was mostly driven by a desire to provide an incentive for people to get vaccinated, but too many unvaccinated people took advantage of this to say "well then I don't need to wear one either!" which is a bit like someone in a car saying "well if people on foot don't need seatbelts, then obviously I don't either!" I personally think this guidance was a bit naive on their part, but it is what it is.
Then the Delta variant started hitting the US, hospitals started getting overrun, the death rate rose above 2020 levels in many red states, and the guidance changed to "ok, not enough people are getting vaccinated, so I guess we need to wear masks again." So that's where it stands today.
You don't have to trust Fauci on that, you can look up the data yourself.
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@lunaticker6842 For one thing, the Bush v Gore recount was a completely different standard. That was ONE swing state that was within a few hundred votes. For Trump to have won, it would have meant over ten thousand votes being off in several different states at the same time. Sometimes a recount is warranted, sometimes it is not. That is not hypocrisy. Besides which, the 2020 election has already seen ten times as much scrutiny as the 2000 one, and found no significant fraud or errors, so potential crisis averted.
As for "Trump is not my President," you do understand that that is rhetorical, right? No Democrat said that literally, as in they did not believe he legally was the president from 2017-2020. All that meant was, they did not vote for him and did not like that he was President. Only Republicans are delusional enough to pretend that Trump actually is still President.
And Jan 6th was an insurrection. They were not "invited in," they got in by breaking windows and beating police officers with Blue Lives Matter flags. Any claims you may have heard of police "inviting them in" are nonsense. DO your research, and avoid untrustworthy propaganda sites when you do so.
As for parties, I don't believe that any candidate is 100% in lockstep with their party in all things, that's not the point of parties. Parties are about many individuals aligning around a shared platform. One candidate might care more about civil rights than most of his peers, another might care more about the economy than his peers, another might care about health care more than his peers, but so long as they all mostly agree on the core interests of a given party, then they agree to tend to vote together in most situations. By aligning to a party, it helps voters to know which candidates will tend to support the issues they care about.
I don't agree with Democrats on every issue, and certainly not to the degree that they push the issue, and I don't always disagree with Republicans on certain topics, but the Republican party have shown themselves to be incapable of governing, so I really don't have any option but to vote for the party capable of taking them off the board, until such time as they get their act together. Then we can consider maybe voting for one of them individually.
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Just in terms of practicality, moving from "they have nuclear power plants" to "they can build nuclear bombs" would be quite the undertaking, a matter of years, and very obvious to anyone keeping an eye on them. Also, as far as I know, the "how to do it" part is actually pretty well known, I think any country on Earth can find instructions these days. The hurdle is more that it takes some fairly large and specific machines and resources, so it's both very expensive and hard to do secretly. If the US wants them to have nukes, they would be better off just handing them a few. That said, I don't think the Us would view it in the best interests for ANY new county to join the nuclear powers. Yeah, they are a hell of a deterrent, but they also raise the stakes massively is someone on either side makes a mistake.
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You're talking about shopping malls, those have struggled. Big box stores are doing great, and will likely outlast all other types of stores. I do think that they will rely on online shopping synergy though. The physical store of the future is basically a showroom for online shopping. It's a place for you to go if you want to try on or handle a product before buying it, but they have a massive warehouse that also services the local online shoppers. These big box stores will likely be far outside the cities, since they need to have efficient access for large trucks to keep them stocked, and to delivery trucks for the online shopping. Smaller local stores might be appealing in theory, but they cannot compete in practice, because the deliveries to and from them are far less efficient, and people would rather pay less to get something same-day delivered than to pay more to go to the store and pick it up themselves.
I will also note, that the urban area you showed was likely hotter than that parking lot, since cities are heat islands. Yes, even with trees.
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@ChuckWortman I think that's a case of diminihing returns, nobody can argue that we haven't put every effort into "stopping importation," and if we doubled the funding for such efforts I doubt we would make significantly more progress on that. What they can get through now, they could likely still get through, so it's just a game of "we'll send $10,000 worth, we'll lose $9,500 worth, but we'll sell that remaining $500 for $20,000 on the street." They will almost always be profitable so long as they are the only option, because junkies are not discriminating customers.
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@saxor96 Ok, it doesn't have dailies, but are dailies really that big a problem to you? I like having dailies in live service games, they keep me actively engaged so that I don't trail off. With other games, once I "finish" them and move on, it's hard to bring me back in when more content comes out. Of course the burden is on them to make the overall experience worthwhile, but so long as I enjoy the game, and so long as the dailies are not an unreasonable time sink, I really don't have an issue with running dailies. Also, older games had plenty of "near impossible tasks" to them, they just didn't offer a way around them.
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@saxor96 Again, no, if the boss dropped a material that you needed to reach the next level, then the character you currently had was perfectly capable of beating that boss. You just weren't playing well. In all the years I've been playing Genshin, you are literally the first person I've heard express this issue, and I'm not even a particularly good player myself, so I understand difficulty frustrations in principle.
As for Constellations, most characters are fine without any, especially the 5*s. There are certain 4*s that need higher constellations, but that's sort of assumed everyone will get there eventually, and/or you don't actually need what that character offers. I've been playing since launch, have a very large roster of characters, and have only directly pursed a single c1 character, and that was not because it was necessary, I had run her for almost a year by that point without it, it was just a neat QoL bonus that I really wanted.
And as for the pity, you just go into it assuming bad luck. Go in with enough currency to hit double pity, and hope for better. My point is that even if you do hit double pity EVERY time, you would get enough of the specific characters you want to enjoy the game with, GUARANTEED. the only chance is in how much more than that you might get.
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@IlPinnacolo Claiming "appeal to consensus fallacy" is a non-argument when your position is "appeal to whatever the consensus disagrees with." The consensus in this case is not right because they are the consensus, they are the consensus because they are right. You are using fallacies wrong. Stop it.
We revise models over time to make them more accurate, but that does not mean that they were "wrong" before, just that they are more correct now. It's like how you can do a two-week weather forecast, and it will usually be mostly correct. That has value. But then one-week in, you have more data, and can refine it to be more accurate, and then 24 hours out you can further refine it to be more correct, and an hour away you can refine it more still.
You would seem to look at that situation and claim that there's no point to any of that unless you can be 100% certain of the outcome, when the fact remains that there is a lot of benefit to using the imperfect long range tracking AND to update the results over time as best we can.
My point is, there are no variables out there that are likely to completely overthrow the broad outcomes predicted by the current models, not without significant actual changes to the world. The current consensus prediction is what is likely to happen, and it is better to build policy around the likely outcomes than to build around the unlikely outcomes.
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I don't know how we'd get from here to there, but I really think the whole Israeli area needs a total overhaul. 1. Remove all of historic Jerusalem from the "state of Israel," and make it a UN protectorate state, a bit similar to the Vatican in that it would be outside the control of the local politics, and would be administered to be free and open to all people of all faiths. 2. Design a constitution that firmly enshrines religious liberty and protections for all, to ensure that NO religious or racial bias could be tolerated in any direction. 3. Set up small enclaves within the country that have firmly theocratic governance, one Jewish, one Muslim, with strict regulations preventing any sort of military build-up within their borders, again, on a Vatican-esc model. This is just to ensure a "Safe haven" for both religious groups within the region. 4. The rest of the country would have to migrate to a fully democratic nation, one in which the majority rules, whether Jewish or Muslim, and again, in which it is firmly unconstitutional to persecute either group, regardless of who holds power at the time. No more "settlements," no more "enclaves (outside of the three very small ones noted above), just a normal, functional country in the region that is free and fair to ALL people within it.
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@camomaxx One, you can claim asylum because you are poor if that has led to an inability to survive in your home country. Two, there is ZERO need to do that in the first country you arrive in, you just made that up because you want it to be true. and as for applying to enter the US, that would be a great idea, but due to Republican stonewalling over the past few decades, we currently do not offer nearly as many immigration slots as people trying to enter, so for most migrants, it is literally not an option, so they have to resort to plan B.
If you want to reduce illegal immigration, there are only two ways to do it. 1. Make conditions better in their home country so that they don't need to come here to survive, and 2. massively increase the amount of legal visas given out so that more people who want to enter legally are allowed to do so. There is no solution in which less migrants enter the US.
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Another thing companies should be working on is "casual productivity." Figuring out how to build a factory or something that is actually practically useful, but that can turn on and off almost instantly, and only needs to operate when power is available. In that way, when there is excess power in the system, this facility could make something that takes a lot of energy. When power is low, everything would completely shut down. Obviously this would not be as productive as a 24/7 operation, but it wouldn't necessarily need to be, since it would be more efficient (using only "excess" energy), and would also need to be relatively low human-resource, just people checking in from time to time to make sure everything is running, rather than having a bunch of humans wandering around that would have nothing to do when the power is not available. If they can manage this sort of project well, then it would be a much more efficient use of variable resources than any form of storage.
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@pinkerproductions7420
My point is that armed security is an extremely ineffective and wasteful way of solving the problem. There are much more effective, much less wasteful ways of achieving better goals, so why not just do that instead? Also, school shootings, sadly, not that rare, about one or two per year. What we do know is that there have been schools with armed officers present that did not have sufficiently different outcomes than without them.
As for gun control methods, if the previous assault weapons ban had been in place, the father in question would have been unable to purchase the weapon used in this shooting. Most of the weapons used in the past ten years of school shootings would not have been available to the shooters. And if we went further than that and had at least Swiss style gun laws, nobody in that household would be allowed to own a firearm, on the basis of the perceived risk to the community. That is not currently legal under Georgia''s laws, but that can be solved.
The root cause in all these cases is the gun, for lack of the gun, they would be far less effective, and that is the problem that is possible to solve, rather than trying to solve "human nature," something we've failed to do for thousands of years. I really wish that people would be more honest, and instead of pretending to believe that "the criminal mind" could be solved if only we tried a little harder, that they just want to have guns and genuinely do not care how many lives are lost in their name.
As for the FBI, they did what they could within the bounds of the law. I would be far more worried about the idea of taking "pre-crime" actions against people who might do a crime in the future, than I ever would about removing their access to weapons.
And underscores before and after a word.
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@pinkerproductions7420 That is a lot
I did refute your claims about defensive gun use. It does not work. There is no evidence that it significantly reduces the death count in these events, and the only evidence we do have is that it definitely does not prevent the deaths from happening at all. What does work? Removing the guns. So why not do that instead?
As for your argument that the costs could be offset by making school budgets more efficient, that too would be wrong. If you are able to make school budgets more efficient, then that's great, but hat money should still be rolled back into improving our educational experiences, not into buying more guns and paying people to use them. I would rather be paying teachers to teach than to be soldiers.
Also, claiming that other countries have "higher" school shooting rates only works if you adjust for populations to such an extent that one or two events balances out against ten to twelve in the US. That is never good statistical practice, since it leads to extreme outlier situations. If you have no option but to make such a comparison, then the correct answer is to say that there is no data at all.
As for your claims about the assault weapons ban, the fact is that most recent school shooters acquired their weapons legally, or stole it from someone who did, so if legal ownership of such weapons did not exist, it would have been less likely they would be able to acquire one. Yes, criminals will seek out illegal means, but that does not mean that they will be successful. Do you believe that criminals in the UK or Japan would have any less interest in having a gun if they could? And yet their homicide rates are much lower per capita than the US, because while their criminals want to have guns, and commit no fewer crimes than in the US in which a gun could come in handy, it is much harder for even criminals to find a gun in those countries, since legal guns are not available to them.
And my point in raising the Swiss was that they have much more effective gun laws than the US, and they would have allowed actions to be taken in this case which likely would have prevented the shooting entirely.
Also, even if the FBI had prosecuted him for making threats, it likely would not have prevented this shooting. The punishments would have been relatively minor, given that he was himself a minor, it was a first offense, he did not have a serious record, etc. I know that there is this fantasy that "the bad guys get locked up and never cause harm again," but things have never worked that way, and never could.
I should also clarify that my position does not come from not understanding your own. I understand your position as well as you do, I just further understand the many reasons why it is wrong. If you have further questions on the topic, I would be happy to answer them.
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@urgreatestenemy You're repeating the same talking points I debunked in that previous thread. And so again, I was also factoring in the other forms of pollution.
Were you?
Have you looked into the oil pollution Nigeria has? Pumping, refining, shipping, and more importantly burning gasoline causes FAR more pollution to the globe as a whole, and much more than that directly to the US, than ANY aspect of EVs.
n EV has a larger carbon footprint coming off the lot than a gas car, but the gas car's footprint keeps growing over time, and after less than two years, the EV's overall footprint will be smaller.
And again, a lot of those carbon costs come from inefficient manufacturing processes, so over time those carbon costs will get lower still.
Also, there is NO EV where you "have to replace the batteries every 5 or 6 years." What idiot told you that? EV batteries typically have a 10 year _warranty," and they are rated to last much longer than that. They don't just "die" at some point, they instead just lose a bit of efficiency over time, so if you get a 200 mile range EV, then after 10 years it might only have a range of 180-190, but still plenty for most drivers. If you want to change out the battery you can, but you could keep driving it long past that if you don't need the absolute max range.
And if you do trade out batteries, you can pay off the carbon footprint of the new one in a year or so of driving, and it can be fully recycled, with all that lithium going into making a fresh battery.
I'm afraid that you listed a bunch of fossil fuel industry misinformation that someone must have fed you. Look into the topic yourself, stay away from their propaganda. Don't be their slave.
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@Dutchbrother07 So you would say that the US is basically exactly like Mexico? That we should count ourselves lucky if any stat is better in America than it is in Mexico? It's not "racist" to be honest about the realities of the world, and most of the other countries in the Western hemisphere do have far less developed economies and far less stable governments, in many cases due to deliberate action by the US. However they got that way, it still leaves them poor examples to compare to the US in terms of overall crime and violence. I know that you know this full well, but you prefer to pretend otherwise, because you can't defend the fact that guns have caused higher murder rates in the US than in Europe.
And yes, physical beatings cause more deaths than rifles, but not more than guns in general. You can't eliminate ALL murders, but you can greatly REDUCE them, and isn't that worth doing? Some people will still find a way, but generally those with murderous intent will be less successful. When people go on a rampage with a gun, there are often death tallies in the double digits. When they go on a rampage with a knife, there are often injuries, but far fewer fatalities.
As to your whole bit about "tyranny," it's nonsense. Dozens of countries around the world have no more tyranny than the US, without needing any guns to secure that freedom. And if it came down to it, America's civilian gun owners could do nothing to stop the military, and if we're being honest with ourselves, we both know that the gun owners would more likely side with the tyrants than against them.
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@Dutchbrother07 1. Guns cause higher murder rates than not having guns, because more attempted murders become completed murders. They don't cause more people to want to kill, they do cause more people to be successful at it. The fact remains that if guns were a net positive, then America would have a lower murder rate than European countries, not a higher one. European countries have just as many inner city drug dealers as the US does, with just as much interest in causing harm to others, they are just less successful at it. And London is going better than any US city, they have a murder rate about half of Chicago's, and less than states like Alabama or Mississippi.
2. fatalities in the double digits are rare, but when they do happen, it is usually due to guns. Removing access to those guns would still save lives.
3. Your little fantasies are irrelevant to the fact that guns cause more harm than good in America. They are irrelevant to protecting our freedoms, and yet they cost thousands of people the freedom to live each year. There is no rational defense to keeping them, it's all just babies crying over their toys being taken away. But thank you for pointing out why an armed insurrection would never be NECESSARY, the US military would never participate in such a thing.
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@camomaxx Ok, that may be true in a fictional world, but it's not accurate to the real world. They may not be wearing rags, few people do, but they are struggling to survive, and looking for a better life in the US. None of them want to be on tax payer money, they want to work, which is why it's important to process them quickly so that they can. It's no "either/or" when it comes to veterans, we can do both. If you have an issue with how we currently handle veterans, then take that up separately, they are not in conflict.
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I will say, I think you're only half right about humanoid robots. While it is true that "machine looking robots" are much more efficient at most industrial tasks, and an "office robot" is likely just an algorithm on a PC rather than a humanoid at a desk, there are still some use cases for humanoid robots. the first and most obvious is that humanoid robots can be more comfortable to interact with humans, we just like to anthropomorphize anything that will be interacting with humans on a regular basis.
The second is that a humanoid robot is more flexible in adapting to a world made for humans. That is to say, a car factory robot is better at making cars than a humanoid one, but the humanoid one can move from role to role easily (assuming those roles were intended to be performed by humans), whereas the car factory robot would be designed around a single task, and need to be rebuilt or at least reconfigured to handle any other task. The smaller the scale of the job, the more of an issue this becomes. While I do believe that within our lifetime we will have McDonalds that are like little factories, in which ingredients travel along a conveyor belt to produce the items we order, in the shorter term, a humanoid robot could slide into the existing kitchen and prepare food the same way a human would. Of course, the more the physical world is adapted to be convenient for robots, the less humans would even be capable of participating in it.
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@AlbatrossRevenue I think I made a good argument for why Rogan can't moderate a debate, he's not intellectually capable of it. If you tell him two truths and a lie he will now believe three new things are true, and will tell his audience the same. If audience, of course, is no better. Joe Rogan is incapable of "pulling facts up in real time," he'll just google it and spit up whatever his first result is. Those are not always "facts."
Again, all the actual facts in this matter are ALREADY available, nobody needs Joe Rogan to "look them up" during a debate.
You do realize that the "Bohr-Einstein debates" you found on goggle do not refer to them going on a radio show hosted by an MMA commentator, and arguing out their points in public, right?
The Bohr-Einstein debates refer to the two men writing papers with competing viewpoints on a topic, and the merits of their position being determined by the quality of their research, not their public speaking ability. This happened over a period of YEARS. At no point did the two men get on the same stage and then argue back and forth at each other until someone "won." Again, THE DATA ALREADY EXISTS, if you want to have a "Bohr-Einstein" debate on the topic, IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.
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@AlbatrossRevenue If you think that Rogan appropriately fact checks comments made on his show, then either you do not watch his show, or you do not understand how fact checking works. He ha allowed TONS of misinformation to be fielded on his show without correction.
As to your comments on the "Bohr-Einstein debates," you prove my point about reading the first thing that you google and only skimming a surface level understanding of it, and assuming that you know the full picture. Again, while both Bohr and Einsteing presented at that conference, and their positions were in conflict, making it a debate of sorts, it was NOTHING similar to a "Joe Rogan debate," there was no back and forth. It was just one side presenting their case in full, then the other side presenting their case in full. It had NOTHING to do with the style of debate being discussed here, and again, if that is the sort of debate you want, a " Bohr-Einstein debate," then WE ARE ALREADY WITNESSING THAT. The only problem people seem to have with that is that in the actual debate, the anti-vax side has no leg to stand on, so they hope to change minds by fighting in the court of public opinion, using fiction to fight fact.
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@AlbatrossRevenue But my point is that a poorly moderated debate leans toward the better public speaker, not toward the facts. The one who makes the most confident presentation would win out over the one who was more ACCURATE. I have zero doubt that Hotez has more accurate facts on his side than RFK Jr., but I have strong doubts as to whether he could be more convincing in his arguments to a Joe Rogan audience. So then what would be the point in having the debate?
RFK would not present "cogent rebuttals using data," there is no data to support his side, he would just craft argument that confirm the biases of the audience, which has long been determined to be more effective than "facts" when dealing with lay-people.
As for my point, you got it half right. Yes, for one thing, I do not believe that a useful scientific debate can take place on JRE, nor that his audience is at all interested in one. They do not want to learn facts, they want to hear their biases get confirmed for them, for those who disagree with them to get "owned," and that will be the inevitable outcome, regardless of "facts."
But also, I stand by the point that the sort of debate we are talking about here, a live debate on a radio show, has NO value in science. Here is a debate format I would like to see though: Both sides would have a team of experts, so that they would have a wider spread of knowledge. Questions and answers would be submitted in writing, and read out by an intelligent neutral moderator, to remove any charismatic bias of the speaker. When the turn passes from one to the other, there is a break of up to several hours, during which they can research an accurate response, with access to any information they might need to do so.
But you're right, your argument here is absurd. Which, again, is why I have little faith that a JRE debate could hold any value. It isn't about seeking the truth, it's about engaging in absurdity.
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Christopher L Rand Paul did not present evidence, he presented material he believed to be evidence, but as it turns out, no, it was not. Here's the thing, if Fauci is wrong here, if he was lying, then what he just did is a serious federal crime. If Fauci is indicted of lying to congress in the near future, and convicted on it, then I guess you and Rand were right. If not though, then no, he was not lying, he just had a different understanding of how infections disease research works than some rando on the Internet, and it leads to a difference of opinion. Who's right, the expert with decades of subject matter experience, or the Internet rando? I guess we may never know. . .
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Christopher L But the thing is, laypeople are in no position to judge the quality of highly complex scientific evidence. An article can sound very credible, use a lot of fancy words, present an argument that makes a lot of sense to someone that has no idea what any of these words mean or how they actually work, but still not actually be terribly compelling when you do understand the topic at hand.
The article in question is one position, and the writer of the article has a checkered past with the scientific community, but it isn't necessarily more credible than the alternate position that most of the expert seem to believe.
I would agree with you that one should be skeptical of those who have something on the line, and IF Fauci were the ONLY one holding these viewpoints, the sure, definitely sus, but it's actually the view held by a pretty large majority of scientists, most of whom have zero skin in this game. The only ones who seem to be contrarian on this are the ones who do have something to gain by proving wrongdoing, either because they have a grudge against Fauci, a grudge against China, a grudge against "expertism," etc. Maybe look at "who stands to gain" on both sides of this.
Fauci really doesn't have much to gain here. It's pretty cut and dry that whether you agree with him or not on the nature of "gain of function," he did not lie about this, because he is accurately reporting the NIH findings. If you could somehow find evidence that the NIH made a mistake here, that would be on them, not on Fauci. And if it turned out to be the case that the Wuhan lab had somehow created covid, that still wouldn't be on Fauci, since it would have been a program he'd had no knowledge of. So why would Fauci lie about it?
As for Luc Montagnier, his allegations were proven to be incorrect. That doesn't completely rule out the possibility that it was man-altered, but even if it was, it was definitively different than he believed it to have worked.
Again, you can find "a scientist" or "a group of scientists" to support ANY crackpot theory. You can find scientists that believe the Earth is flat and aliens built the Pyramids. A white lab coat alone is not good enough, but if there is a consensus across the organizations that tend to study things like this, it tends to be correct more often than not.
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Paul Boccuti Norway has had 86K cases and 648 total deaths. Sweden has had 744K total cases, over seven times as many, and 13,262 deaths, or TWENTY times as many deaths than Norway had. As for Denmark, they had 225K cases, so about a third, and 2,399 deaths, or around 1/5th. No, Sweden is not "winning."
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@gorillazilla4534 No, they testified to vague suspicions that chain of custody might have been at issue. Republicans tend to do that a lot, making hearsay argument about how they saw someone who might have been "up to no good," without any evidence whatsoever that they actually did anything illegal, and acting as if it's proof of anything. There was no actual evidence, including testimony, that chain of custody had been broken, and sworn testimony by the election officials that it had not been.
Also, there were no problems with the paper strips in the voting machines, at least none that impacted the outcome. The issues you discussed did not prevent votes being cast, it only prevented them being read in at the polling place. They were securely stored though and counted later, essentially the same process as drop boxes. There is no evidence that anyone who attempted to cast a ballot was unable to do so, or that their vote was not counted.
And of course I'm fine with the candidate running for office overseeing the elections, since that happens in MOST elections involving the re-election of a State's Attorney or whatever the equivalent role it. So long as they can be trusted to do their job professionally, as in this case, there's no reason for concern. The only concern would be if the person in question was an election-denier conspiracy theorist, as were many Republican candidates in this election cycle.
Hey, look, you just say what Faux News tells you to think, right down to the "independent thinker" bit. You aren't brainwashed, you're just an "independent thinker," who just happens to think the same as every other Faux News drone. It's like the new "goth kids."
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EVs are the future, but the market had gotten a bit ahead of their skis. They definitely do need to sort out how things like the used market and the repair/replacement costs. This is an inevitable growing pain, NO new product has secure knowledge of these conditions, but it might be nice for part of the government investment in EVs to be things like guaranteeing a certain buyback price for EVs at ten and twenty years (lower than one might hope for, but more than they would fear), and guarantees that essential components like batteries could be purchased at reasonable prices over those periods.
The other credible issue is the accessibility and ease of use of charging stations, and while these are much better today than they have been, there is still plenty of room to go before they are as much of a non-issue as the availability of gas stations. And of course broadly, with or without EV adoption, the US and many other power grids need to be significantly upgraded, to allow more efficient energy transfer over long distances, to provide the flexibility that an electric future requires.
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@_ben_miller Well, first, "covering this round of avoiding the default" has nothing to do with inflation. Inflation will not go up or down as a result of avoiding the default, it would ONLY go up, and massively, if we don't avoid the default.
And if you're heard this before it's because Republicans have threatened this attack many times over the past decade or so, at least while Democrats control the White House, and each time it is a dire threat, but so far they have not actually pulled the trigger, so the dire predictions did not actually happen. That does not mean that they would not have if they had ever failed to raise the debt ceiling.
You keep talking about you and your family being able to buy food as if that is a given. Tell that to people in 1931.
Again, NOBODY is talking about "using inflation to cover" anything. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
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@mrpool2you176 Yeah, the press in 2016 definitely underestimate the amount of stupid people in the Republican party. They've tried not to repeat that mistake since.
Nothing these "audits" "find" could possibly undermine the results of the 2020 election. The actual audits have all already taken place and found nothing. The current efforts are just fraudulent fishing expeditions, so anything they find that is different is something they constructed themselves, not a problem for anyone else.
The funny thing is, even if they did somehow miraculously find provable, incontrovertible evidence of fraud, that wouldn't put Trump in control, that's not how it works. Biden was already sworn in. At worst he would just be impeached and removed, which would put Harris in charge, and if by any chance she was also implicated and removed, that would put Pelosi in charge. Trump would remain irrelevant to the outcome.
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@ryanelliott6706 The consequences of the leak, if it occurred, were a global pandemic that hurt China as badly as any other country. I think that's about all we can reasonably expect from an accident. Accidents like that are tragic, but they do happen, and if covid hadn't hit us in 2020, it would have hit within a year or two after, it was out there somewhere, and research labs like that are our only line of defense against them. Can you imagine how bad covid would have gotten if we hadn't been studying similar viruses for decades now and had the basis for treatments ready?
And again, the 7 million dead of covid DO matter, but they died to a virus, and the people to be upset with there are those who allowed the virus to spread so carelessly through the US, like Republican governors, or who encouraged quack therapies like Donald Trump.
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@redonk1740 It's important to keep in mind that in America, many gun owners own multiple guns, and only one is needed to cause an incident. Raising the total number of guns in circulation and comparing that to the number of incidents is pointless, what matters is that the number of incidents is much higher in the US than in equivalent countries where they have far fewer guns.
The goal with any gun control is not to have criminals "be nice" and turn in their guns. The point of it is to cut off their supply of guns. If they cannot purchase them legally, and cannot steal them from legal gun owners, then the supply of guns in the criminal markets would drop massively. We know this for a fact, given that it's already occurred in many countries.
And your "low estimate" of defensive gun use is only a "low estimate" by someone intending to produce high estimates. It's like asking a football coach what his "low estimate" of his team's victory will be. The Gun Violence Archive counts actual cases of defensive gun use, and they tend to be more in the 1,500 to 2,000 per year range. And owning a gun increases your chances of being a victim, since you're less likely to take more safe methods like avoidance, and because the same laws that allow you to own a gun allow the criminals to acquire one.
Also, comparing guns to cars is another weak argument, since cars provide much more value to society than guns do. Look, there is a very simple statistic we can use here, results. If guns make Americans safer, then the US overall violent crime rates and murder rates would be the lowest in the world. Out massive amount of guns would completely squash any attempt by criminals to do crime. Is that the result? No. Instead, our violent crime is, at best, equal to other countries, no safer due to gun ownership, and our homicide rates are 6 times more or higher, the worst in the developed world. Solve that problem, and maybe having guns will be ok, but since guns clearly have not solved that problem, they are clearly not the solution.
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@foreignidea5696 What? A 98.3% survivability rate is nothing to cheer about. That would mean around 6 MILLION US dead by the end of this (not even counting repeat infections, which we know will happen, so the eventual death rate would likely be much higher). Why allow those deaths to happen when there is a simple way to avoid it? You have a much higher chance of surviving a car trip than you do of surviving covid, but that doesn't mean you should go without your seat belt.
The problem is that this is a communicable disease, it spreads from person to person. As a vaccinated person, I am much safer than I was before that, but I'm not 100% immune either, and nobody every claimed that I would be or would need to be. If I can change my survival rate from 98.3% to 99.999%, then why wouldn't I do that? Why wouldn't you? And if we allow the virus to spread around among the unvaccinated population, then not only will it continue to overload hospitals, reducing the standard of care for ALL Americans and driving up insurance rates across the board, but also it allows mutations to take place which might make the current vaccines less effective and put us back at square one. Why would anyone who is not an enemy of America want that?
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@foreignidea5696 There is no shame in you observing your own health risks. The shame is in you doing it poorly and putting those around you at risk from your own inadequacies. And yes, the overcrowded hospitals are because they are having to treat hundreds more patients than they were ever designed to treat. This is a problem.
You're also not accurately describing how covid deaths are handled, you are not listed as a "covid death" if covid was not the primary cause of death. Yes, there might be other things wrong with you, but those things would not have killed you if you had not had covid. This is why 2020 had 400,000+ more dead people than they had predicted based on "normal causes."
And yes, there are definitely things that, if you get them, are deadlier than covid. The difference there is that these diseases are either less contagious, or harder to treat. Yes, cancer is a big killer, but you cannot spread (most) cancer person to person, certainly not as easy as covid, and there are not safe vaccines for cancer. If there were a cancer vaccine, you'd be damned certain I'd take it.
Natural immunity is a thing, but even if you get sick with covid, the natural immunity you get from that is not as effective as the vaccines, it too wears off over time, and that's if you survive the initial infection, which is far from guaranteed. The vaccine, on the other hand, has an almost certain survival rate, so it is the MUCH safer options. Communities that have attempted "natural immunity" strategies like Brazil or Sweden have been devastated as a result.
And again, you choosing to die is certainly your own business, except that this is a societal issue, so you choosing to die might also result in taking the lives of those around you, who might then take the lives of those around them, and it will add to our overcrowded hospitals, add to our health care bills, and potentially lead to more mutations, you you choosing to die IS causing harm to others.
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@MrJerry8159 I can't say that I know more than they do. But I can say that I trust the larger number of top docs who are more recognized than them. It's kind of like if I was watching two football coaches, and one of them was the coach of a small, noncompetitive college, and the other was the coach of a major tournament-player college, and the latter one gave an opinion about football strategy, and then dozens of other high-tier coaches chimed in that they totally agreed with him on it, then I couldn't claim to know more about football than the coach at the smaller school, but I would certainly listen to the advice of the major coaches instead.
Just because you've "looked around," and you've found people who will give you answers that are different than what the most credible sources are telling you, does not mean that these new sources you've found are right. Your sources are telling you what to hear because with controversy comes profit. They could not cut it in the mainstream of their field, so they are instead staking a claim as an "alternative" to that mainstream, which is less profitable than being great at the mainstream version, but more profitable than failing at the mainstream, which was the only option available to them.
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@MrJerry8159 I am making no assumptions. You have expressed that you have arrived at a certain conclusion that is incorrect. There are many ways that you could have arrived at that conclusion, some simpler than others, but the fact remains that the conclusion you arrived at is an incorrect one.
There are not "thousands of doctors sounding the alarm and being silenced." Whoever told you that was lying to you. What doctors are "sounding the alarm" are either quacks who genuinely believe in voodoo science, or they are hucksters attempting to get attention off of counter-culture "medicine" practices. In either case, there is no benefit to paying them an ounce of attention.
You have "read and seen" a lot of nonsense being put out by people who are either ignorant of reality or are deliberately misleading for various reasons. No accurate source would validate your position on these topics.
FIND BETTER SOURCES OF INFORMATION.
The real "sheep" in this one are the ones who are told to do something they don't want to do by those in authority, told to stay inside, told to wear a mask, told to take a vaccine, and they say "well I don't want to do that, there must be some other way," so they poke around on the Internet until they find someone, anyone who will tell them "you're right, the way they are telling you to do it is not the right way, you should do this instead!" and they just buy that hook, line and sinker, because it's exactly what they wish were true. Reality is rarely what you want it to be, that doesn't mean you can just substitute it with any alternate reality that you choose.
Also, Youtube thumbs are a REALLY dumb way to gauge the accuracy of medical information. If you take nothing more away from this conversation, let that be the main one. That and the FIND BETTER SOURCES OF INFORMATION.
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@MrJerry8159 But I really have looked at the CDC with an open mind, and my open mind tells me that they are far more trustworthy than some random crackpot I found on the Internet.
I am a contrarian at heart, I question EVERYTHING, I take nothing at face value or without question. I question everything that I hear and I look into anything that might be fishy and determine the most likely truth involved. When I have come to the result that all the credible sources say one thing, and all the sources that disagree are fringe lunatics and scam artists, then that is because all the credible sources say one thing, and all the sources that disagree are fringe lunatics and scam artists, not because I haven't done my due diligence.
It's easy to just accept that the thing you WISH were true were the truth, and to say "see, I found someone on the Internet who agrees with me that I should be doing exactly what I want to be doing!" But that isn't the truth. Someone telling you what you want to hear should be the LEAST trustworthy answer you get.
The doctors you follow are not "brave," they are pandering. They are cowardly. They are saying what a certain subset of the population WANT to hear, because they have no value otherwise. If they are doctors at all (which in many cases they are not), they are making a lot more money by peddling nonsense than they ever would by actually treating patients ethically or doing credible research. The only news sources that support their efforts are fringe "Faux News," sources that are paid for by oil tycoons, The Russian government, or Chinese cults.
You have decided to not trust "the mainstream," and therefore open your arms wide to anyone who will tell you the opposite of what "the mainstream" has to say. That is not wisdom, that's ignorance. Sometimes the "mainstream" gets things wrong, that doesn't mean that the other side is right.
As for "prohibiting free speech," there are a lot of stupid people out there, and a lot of people are being misinformed. They have had to put out alerts to stop people form taking horse dewormers in potentially lethal doses, because various "alternative news outlets" have been telling people that this horse dewormer will cure them. I WISH so badly that we lived in a world where more people could tell the difference between the truth and a lie, but we do not, so when people are trying to spread information that is causing literal deaths, I do think that it causes more good than harm to reduce their reach as best we're able to do so.
I really hope you can escape the cult you're in before it's too late. Think for yourself.
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McCllough is currently being sued for misrepresenting himself as a Baylor employee, and is a cardiologist, not an epidemiologist or immunologist. He has zero knowledge relevant to covid, the vaccines, or other treatments. His specific claims have been widely debunked. Have you looked into him?
You seem to have a lot of misinformation in there. Let's see. Yeadon never worked at Pfizer on infectious diseases and hasn't worked for them in over a decade. He has no inside knowledge or medical expertise that is at all relevant to these vaccines. Based on his more recent antics, he seems to have gone well off the deep end into nonsense-land. That happens to people sometimes, and it is sad.
Malone did not invent MRNA tech, he just claims that he did for the attention. There are dozens, if not hundreds of scientists who have built up mRNA research over the years, and Malone is considered on the fringe of that field. The fact that most of the REST of them completely disagree with his assertions should be more compelling to you than the fact that he is going against them.
Karen Kingston's story has also been thoroughly investigated and debunked. None of what she claimed about the vaccine was accurate, but she was never a scientist in the first place (and she left the company DECADES before they even started on this research), so she clearly misunderstood what she was looking at.
This is what I mean, confirmation bias. You pick the sources of information that agree with what you want to believe, rather than listening to the 10, 100, 1000, 100,000 equally or superiority qualified people saying the exact opposite. Why do you do that? Why do you believe the larger group of voices is less credible than the fringe elements? They are not "people showing documentation and evidence," they are people waving around papers at a TV camera and claiming that it is documentation and evidence. Well anyone can do that, I can wave a sheet of papers around and claim that it's evidence of aliens or whatever, that does not make it actually evidence. The fact that someone like you seems to buy into their nonsense only highlights the need to make clear that this stuff is misinformation.
Do better fact checking before spreading these views to others. It only takes a few minutes to learn ANY of this stuff.
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@tersymatto Trump said a lot of nice things to American workers, but did practically nothing to actually benefit them. Anything that happened while he was in office that benefited American workers were just the natural results of the economy in motion.
Trump did NOTHING to lower the cost of gas, except maybe approving the murder of a US resident by a Saudi prince, but either way, that would have been a temporary price decrease and has nothing to do with current pricing. Again, I'm not sure why I need to repeat this, US gas prices have nothing to do with who is president at the time, Presidents do not set the gas prices. This is not Soviet Russia, we have a free market economy. There are a few things that Presidents can do to temporarily shift gas prices, but it's irresponsible to do it "just because," because there is a cost to doing so. Presidents should only directly mess with gas prices when there is a genuine crisis, like a pipeline blows and we'd be looking at $6 a gallon otherwise or something.
Trump did not secure our borders, and border migrants have nothing to do with covid. Again, your chances of getting infected by someone from Florida are MUCH higher than of your being infected by someone from Mexico. The vrirus is already inside the house.
And Biden did NOTHING that would have changed the price of milk in your house. Again, if the price of milk in your house is higher than you would like it to be, you have Trump to thank for that, because we're still steering our way out of the messes he caused.
As for "Obama built the cages," no. At least not in any way that matters. Obama did build some detention facilities that children ended up in, yes, but that is not what people were critical of Trump for. If children come across the border, you have to put them somewhere, and if a lot more than you have space for come across, then sometimes those facilities will not be the highest quality. Nobody is blaming Trump for that. At first. The problem with Trump was his policy of separating families, taking children away from their parents, even if the parents had committed no crimes other than crossing the border, and often without any documentation to allow the families to be reunited. Then Trump would keep these families in these facilities for months, and even years.
Obama never did that, and neither is Biden. Under both of them, separations only occurred if the parents were facing serious criminal charges, and children were moved to higher quality facilities or foster homes within weeks. Your argument would be like if you had a 6ft high pile of garbage in your yard, and someone complained, and you go ". . . yeah. . . well. . . I see a soda can over in yours, so who are you to judge?"
Here's a good video on Trump vs. Biden's China policies, judge for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxakBsMHvw4
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@tersymatto If the news you've been watching has told you that "Anyone who was a democrat is now moving towards being a republican," then what you have been watching is fake news. Do not watch news that would tell you that.
The reality of the situation is that since Biden has taken office, some members of the extreme progressive caucus have been annoyed at Biden for being too moderate, but that obviously isn't pushing them any closer to Republicans, the moderate Democrats and independents love Biden, giving him one of the highest approval ratings in recent memory for a President at this point in his term, and moderate Republicans and right-leaning independents have been shifting toward the Democrats, because the insurrection attempt, elevation of Q Anon supporters within the party, and continued efforts by Republicans to undermine the fundamental principles of democracy have turned them off the party. The only people left for the GOP are the radicalized lunatics.
"And yes, Trump did lower the price of gas by creating jobs with the key pipeline. "
Nope. The Key Pipeline was not in operation, and wouldn't have been for years. It had ZERO impact on the gas prices at any point in Trump's term, and would not have had any impact until 2023 or so. No moves relative to the Key pipeline impacted current gas prices in any way. Gas prices went up and down because DEMAND for gas shifted as people reacted to covid and the conditions it caused, as well as various other unrelated situations, like the Suez Canal blockage. That is how gas prices work.
And as for "jobs," the pipeline would have led to a few thousand temporary oil jobs, an absolute drop in the ocean when it comes to "American jobs." Ten times more jobs than that are created in ANY given month. If you had friends working on that pipeline, then it may have had a significant impact on your circle of friends, but that is not the case for 99.999% of Americans, and I assure you that actions that Trump took cost jobs for far more Americans across the country, and that actions Biden is taking with his infrastructure program will create ten times as many jobs, if not more than that, and in constructing things that are good for America.
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@tersymatto Again, you "living a much easier life" is not representative of all America. A lot of Americans had it harder than you and your friends supposedly did, sorry to say. And several things that Trump did were "good" in the short term, but "bad" in the long term, like taking steps that juiced the short term economy (like maintaining low interest rates past where it was wise to do so), but in an unsustainable way. It would be like if your friend took out a massive credit card loan and was buying you all fancy food and trips and stuff, you'd think "hey, this is great!" but then when it came time to pay off those loans, things would get much, much worse. Biden is investing in the future, Trump only doubled down on the present.
Again, NONE of the "troubles" you've pointed out are a consequence of anything Biden has actually DONE. It's like you are blaming him for it raining outside while he was President. I feel the need to repeat in the hopes that it sinks in, Presidents are not wizards. They do not create the reality of everything that happens while they are in office, so just because good things happen to you while one guy is President and bad things happen to you while another guy is President, does not mean that it has anything to do with that President. Bad things will happen and good things will happen, all that is relevant to a President is what their actions have caused.
I get that nothing will change your mind, but that's really a "you," problem. Facts don't care about your feelings, and the fact is that America is better off today than it was under Trump, it will be even more improved by the end of Biden's term in office, and most Americans are pleased with Biden's progress, whether you are one of them or not. All your claims of "disliking" Trump are irrelevant so long as you pointlessly cheerlead for the guy.
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@tersymatto But a country is like a cruise ship. It takes a long time to turn. You keep complaining about conditions right now, and I keep telling you that the things a President can do in six months generally have little impact on what happens to you right now. The first six months of Obama's administration was mostly defined by Bush policies working their way through the system. The first six months of Trump's was mostly Obama's policies, and the first six months of Bidens, in terms of everyday pocketbook issues, is still mostly due to Trump era policies. This is a fact of EVERY Presidency.
It will take time for any changes Biden made, for better or worse, to have any impact on your daily life, just as it took time for any move Trump made to have a practical impact on anyone.
And again, gas prices are not set by the President, these are not "Biden" prices you're seeing at the pump, they are "2021 prices," and you have the oil companies to blame for them, not the person in the Oval.
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@tersymatto Do you acknowledge the point I made that the conditions that exist right this minute are not due to the policies that Joe Biden implemented, because ANY act a President takes can take months, or even years to filter into the wider economy?
Like you have mentioned gas prices on numerous occasions, even AFTER I have pointed out to you that a President does not control gas prices, and that the gas prices would be identical today under Trump as they are under Biden.
If you refuse to accept these facts, then further discussion is pointless, because you are insisting on living in an imaginary world, where Presidents can wave a magic wand to do anything they like, and therefore anything that exists during their presidency is because "they did it."
As for "most people feel worse off?" Where are your statistics on that? Most people felt worse off when Joe Biden took office than they did a year earlier (while Trump was in office). Biden's approval rating is over 50% (higher than Trump's ever was), so most people feel Biden is doing a good job, and it has barely moved since he took office, when typically it falls (Trump's fell by 10%), so he's doing better than most at convincing Americans that he's been doing a good job. By all standard tracking metrics, the US is doing better today than it was six months ago, for whatever that might be worth.
Now maybe you feel worse off, maybe most of the people within earshot of you are too, but this is a country of 300 million people, "people you know" is not a valid sample group.
Again, I wish nothing but success for you and the people in your social circle, but the success of the country cannot be measured on your personal success or not.
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@tersymatto We've been over the Keystone Pipeline. Yes. He cancelled it. Yes, that is a good thing overall. We don't need that foreign oil. No, that has NOTHING to do with the gas prices at the pump today, because the Keystone Pipeline wasn't pumping oil and wasn't going to be pumping oil for years to come, so if it ever had any impact at the pump it would be years down the line. The gas we had in our pumps before Biden was elected didn't come from Keystone, and the gas we had at the pumps after Biden didn't come from Keystone, and even if gas eventually did come from Keystone, it wouldn't go to US customers, it was going from Canada to foreign buyers, we were just the highway for it.
Again, gas prices at the pump today have more to do with increased demand due to more people out and about than this time last year, combined with the standard fluctuations of oil prices due to all sorts of factors around the world.
If you had friends that were involved in the pipeline, then they might need to find other options, but they should not have trouble doing so, and the Keystone jobs were always temp work anyway. There are good ways and bad ways to spend money, the Keystone Pipeline was a bad way.
As for "can I prove people aren't worse off?" I'm not exactly sure how anyone could prove such a thing, but like I said last time, Biden's approval rating hasn't dropped significantly and is over 50%, so at least 50% of Americans think they are doing ok right now. The general economic metrics, the things economists and sociologists use to measure trends all seem to be in the positive, so the evidence is that people are generally doing ok. Can you prove that things are terrible, beyond "I think things are terrible and my friends do too?"
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@tersymatto Well, it's a mixed bag really. People were getting out more, for a few months at least, but you're right that the number of unvaccinated idiots out there has sent people back under cover. Still, overall, there are far more people out and about, even in "cautious" areas, in August 2021 than in August 2020. I mean, my parents never left their home from last April through early this year, outside of medical emergencies, but since getting vaccinated, they at least get out and meet friends or go shopping at about the pace they did pre-pandemic, they just might be a bit more careful about it. Now that's just an anecdote and not necessarily representative, but it does seem to be the case overall, since movie theaters are at least open and seeing better numbers than they did through most of 2020, just as a broad reference.
The US has always had a mix of domestic and foreign oil. US oil production went up during Obama's presidency, and hasn't gone down under Biden, so that's not relevant here. Even oil produced domestically is not handed for free to US gas pumps, it is a business, so if a US oil producer can make more money shipping their oil to some other country than to sell it to Americans, then they will do that. The price of oil at US gas pumps is just a factor of the overall global oil economy. You should look into it, because there are great videos out there on how the oil supply works.
Typically, the President has zero influence on gas prices. The only two cases in which a President can influence gas prices is if A: he opens the national oil reserve, which can drive down prices in the short term, but this is bad because then it means we will have no reserve if there is a true crisis, so it should only be used in a true emergency, not just "I'd rather not pay $3 a gallon." and B: he can cut deals with major oil producing nations that they would up their production, which drives down costs, but this is bad for those countries because it's basically wasting their money, so they would require some pretty hefty "payments" from the US, like letting them get away with murdering US residents or something. Typically it's just not worth it. In any case, that also has nothing to do with current gas prices.
Again, I have given you the reasons why the gas prices are not as good today as they were a year ago, you just do not want to hear it because you would rather be able to blame Biden for it.
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@George-j6t8d Of the federal budget, 24% goes into health insurance, 21% goes into social security, 13% goes into defense, 7% into veteran benefits, 10% of it is interest on the debt run up by previous Republicans. That's 75%. The remaining 25% is all a little here and there, almost all of it being something very important to someone, so there's no way you could shave off even 25% of that without making life hard for millions of Americans. The deficit is too big because we don't tax effectively. Back in the 50s, we taxed both the wealthy and corporations at much higher rates than we do today, particularly when you keep in mind that a lot of what both of them make in a year isn't even taxed at all, due to various dodges. If we kept them accountable, they could easily fund the US government. The US revenue to GDP ratio is more than ten percent lower than the global average.
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@George-j6t8d Of the federal budget, 24% goes into health insurance, 21% goes into social security, 13% goes into defense, 7% into veteran benefits, 10% of it is interest on the debt. That's 75%. The remaining 25% is all a little here and there, almost all of it being something very important to someone, so there's no way you could shave off even 25% of that without making life hard for millions of Americans. The deficit is too big because we don't tax effectively. Back in the 50s, we taxed both the wealthy and corporations at much higher rates than we do today, particularly when you keep in mind that a lot of what both of them make in a year isn't even taxed at all, due to various dodges. If we kept them accountable, they could easily fund the US government. The US revenue to GDP ratio is more than ten percent lower than the global average.
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Yeah, this has ALWAYS been the problem, not that some "rogue AI" will choose to destroy the world, but that corporations without any need for labor will choose to remove labor from the equation. I don't think that this is a terrible thing, no human should ever have to do work that an AI could do better, let that human live free! But he also needs to be taken care of. If we do nothing, if we allow the "invisible hand" to control things, then in fifty years there will be handfuls of trillionaire families that run literally every commercial venture on the planet, and then everyone else is literally worthless, not a single modern task provided to them, and if they do have any sort of job, it's because those at the top have allowed at least enough resources to the masses that they can maintain a pre-industrial economy. The ONLY hope for humanity's future beyond the wealthy few is that we build up government structures now that require corporations to reinvest in the public good, not out of generosity, but so that they don't get nuked. Yes, the 0.1% can get wealthy and have their yachts, but they also have to keep paying back down to the bottom, whether they need any work done or not. It's not "trickle down," it's "wring them out."
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I do think that there will be some form of "freak sports," in which any advantage you want to use would be allowed, but I do agree with Sabine that we're getting to the point where "natural sports" is probably off the cards, however one might feel about Trans athletes. We already have pro athletes that use all sorts of exotic training methods that would be very expensive to duplicate, and genetic modification is right around the corner, so whatever physical human sports we do have in a century likely would be some variation on X-Men, Or they go the alternate route and require genetic manipulation of the athletes, so that you must fall within certain baseline physical ranges to compete, regardless of "how you were born." Like there would be an absolute height restriction on basketball players, whether you were born to be 7'5 of not, you could not play.
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@rileysob17 I thin you misunderstand the science. A placebo control study has nothing whatsoever to do with safety. Nothing at all. A placebo control study is to determine efficacy, not safety. For safety studies you don't need placebo controls, general population controls are plenty. So long as the trial group does not suffer higher complications than the general population, you can consider the drug to be safe. Vaccines do have placebo trials in the short term though.
Long term though, it would be unethical to run placebo controls, because what that means is that you would be condemning that group to die. They would be going around, thinking that they'd done the right thing and gotten the vaccination they needed, when in fact they had no protection at all, sacrificial victims to the alter of kooks. When dealing with life-changing vaccines, placebo controls should only be used in relatively short term studies to make sure that the vaccine is more effective than doing nothing, but once that's been established, any moral person would want to vaccinate everyone possible.
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@rileysob17 With vaccines it's always going to be a balancing act. Yes, the longer you wait to release it, the more likely you are to find a potential problem (IF one exists, and usually there is not one), but ALSO the longer you wait, the more people die from not having gotten the vaccine. If we'd waited another year in 2020 then there would be over a million more dead Americans than there are today. Once a vaccine has gone through the existing testing processes, the odds of finding any new problems through additional testing get lower and lower, so that is the balance point at which it would cause more harm than good to hold off on releasing it.
And I disagree with you on the second point, the unethical part would be to tell someone that they are vaccinated, when they have not been because they are in a control group. So long as everyone is choosing to take or not take the vaccine, they are responsible for the outcomes.
NO amount of testing would ever be sufficient for some people, but indefinite testing just means more and more lives lost to ignorance. The "truth and transparency" you seek is already available, btw. You just don't like the answers they give. If you believe that those are reasons to support RFK, then he's already "won" those things before he even got started, and his entire crusade has been nonsense.
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@Goulash45 Yes, and that nationalism is bad. Wanting respect is far, wanting sovereignty is not owed to anyone.
As for your gun argument, it is equally wrong, since while guns can be used by people to protect themselves, they are more likely to be used against them, which is why the US has a murder rate 2-6 times higher than any other first world country, which typically have less lax gun regulation. The US has more guns per capita than any country on Earth, so if "guns, on average, protect people," then the US should be the SAFEST country on Earth, rather than the most deadly among developed countries. An US gun owner is MORE likely to be killed by a gun than a non gun-owner. They might help some people, some of the time, but broadly they cause more harm than good.
You should really avoid placing anecdotal evidence over general averages.
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@M S It is not remotely shocking that there was not a single animal found in the wild with covid. It is a NOVEL virus strain, if it were common enough that you could just stumble onto it, then it would have been infecting humans years ago.
The wet market theory is based on the idea that similar viruses commonly circulate among some animals, and that one of these animals came into contact with other animals that they would not encounter in the wild, but would encounter in the chaotic conditions of a wet market or a feeder facility to one. Then animal A infected animal B, and in animal B's immune system the virus was able to mutate into something that was infectious to humans. If this were the case, then there would not be some massive population of infected animals in the wild to find, and even if there were, they would be who knows where, thousands of miles from the market.
The actually infected animals would likely have been sold and eaten months before covid became publicly known to be a problem, and in the meantime, the infection rates would be slowly increasing among humans in the area.
Anyone expecting to find some population of covid-19 bats somewhere, and declaring victory that we haven't, is just missing the point entirely.
As for "Chinese scientists speaking out?" There's a lot of fluff to that idea. I've seen several cases of right-wing news outlets picking up stories on "this major Chinese figures is speaking out," or "this major Chinese figure disappeared!" and it's a big news story for days or weeks among the conspiracy theory crowd, but then they just turn up again elsewhere, because they don't have an Instagram they are logging into every day and weeks do normally go by in which they are not visible to the public. And there has also been at least one Chinese scientist that has led weight to the conspiracy theories, but who is being paid by a rich right-wing guy, so her motivations are a bit suspect. There does not yet seem to be anything credible from that line of discussion yet.
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Just in case anyone's heard any insane ramblings lately, a handful of USPS workers were charged with failing to deliver mail, which included something around 100 total ballots, out of tens of millions cast in 2020. Obviously this made no difference in the outcome.
Elections results "swung in the middle of the night" in a lot of cases because some states prevented officials from counting mail-in ballots before election day, so they had to wait until the polls closed, and that process took longer than getting in the same-day votes. When they did this, they were not sending the media a running rally of each vote cast, they would count up the ballots they had until they had finished going through their entire pile, and then send those results off to the media, often right before going home for the night, so yeah, the results would swing wildly when that happened, as anyone would expect to happen.
No, Detroit did not have 300% voter turnout, they had 50% voter turnout.
Trump won Florida and Ohio, but they have been trending redder for years now. There is nothing unexpected about that. They were once "battleground states" but have since shifted into "leaning red" states, just as states like Virginia and Georgia are shifting more into "leaning blue" states. It happens. There is nothing unexpected about this.
Trump did get a significant amount of votes, but Biden got more votes, and the person with more votes is the winner. There is nothing unexpected about that, although I guess you could be forgiven, since Trump also got less votes than Hillary Clinton, but still won that one.
And plenty of Republicans did switch to Biden, whether you know them or not. We call those people "patriots," putting country before party.
Election workers did not "scan in ballots multiple times," but even if they had, it would not have mattered, since those results were recounted multiple times, and if there had been incidents of faulty counting, it would have been discovered. Instead, for all the recounts, there have been no sizable discrepancies, and in some cases Biden actually picked up a few hundred votes in the recounts.
Biden did win, and there are no significant discrepancies. The only people who believe that there were any significant flaws in the 2020 election are people who get their news from inaccurate sources.
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@Anashadk I mean, Ukraine can't afford to pay for anything right now, they will be a debter nation for the next decade or more as they try to recover from the harm Russia has caused them, but they definitely could allow US and UK bases in their territory, at those countries' expense, and those bases would certainly give Russia additional pause. I think it would be funny if we "pulled an Afghanistan" on that, and decided that we would not actively fight if Russia invaded again (although ideally we would), but instead the US forces "abandoned" these bases, along with all sorts of weapons that we would hesitate to give to the Ukrainians, "whoops, I guess they get a full wing of fighter jets and long range missiles, hope they don't use those against Russia or anything. . ."
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@thebreakdown3793 Your quick google search turned up inaccurate information, likely from biased sources. Try another quick google search, check different sources.
And yes, some green energy production methods can be inconsistent, but we're building better and better ways of storing that energy for later use. Besides, fossil fuel energy can be inconsistent too, as Texas learned last week.
The fact is, continuing to burn fossil fuels at the current rate will only make things worse for everyone over the next century. The faster we draw down our fossil fuel use, the less damage it will cause, and the less we'll need to clean up later. "just keep burning it until we run out" is not a solution.
There will likely continue to be some fossil fuel use for decades to come, because there are some things that only it can perform efficiently, but there are plenty of areas in which we can greatly reduce the amount that we use, and we should take every opportunity to do so.
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@thebreakdown3793 No, gvreen energy had nothing to do with Texas's problems. Green Energy was only a tiny fraction of Texas's power grid, and they had more than enough peak fossil fuel capacity to keep things running without it. The issue in Texas was that their natural gas lines froze over because weak regulations meant that they didn't have to meet the sort of cold weather standards that other states do. Of course, blizzards like that will get more and more common as climate change continues, so they'd better get in shape fast.
Not to mention that Texas's green energy products only failed because it too was poorly managed. If they can keep windmills running in Antarctica, they can keep them running in Texas during a snowstorm.
As for smog, smog is only a symptom of extreme local pollution, but that's not th major problem. The major problem is greenhouse gases, which are largely invisible, but produce terrible weather impacts. If we continue on the pace we're at now, we can expect way more extreme weather over the next century, with highs way above 100, more deep freeze cold snaps, more storms and hurricanes, more droughts, basically most places will get a LOT worse to live in.
The biggest issue is that it's a self-fueling cycle past a certain point. It's like we're coasting a car down a hill, but the longer we weight to put on the brakes the harder it will get to come to a stop. What we don't do today will take twice as much money and effort to fix tomorrow. Just as an example, there is tons of methane trapped in the arctic tundra, and as that ice melts, the methane goes up into the air, where it just makes things hotter, releasing more methane, and so on. There are a lot of different impacts like that.
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@ It does not matter what Putin's demands were, he still had no right to get them. He can ASK, and he can offer peaceful incentives, like trade negotiations, but at no point does him having desires justify an invasion if he does not get what he wants. How is this so hard to understand? Also, there were already Soviet military bases in Cuba before and after the missile crisis, yet the US never invaded. Their red line was nukes, and only nukes, and there was never any talk of returning Ukraine's nukes.
To your second point, if you are talking about Ukrainians living in eastern Ukraine, no, Ukraine never shelled them, except for active separatist military forces. If you take up arms against the government, they have the right to respond, right?
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@jacobew2000 It remains true that cutting off the legal sources cut off the criminals. Criminals in other countries want to have guns just as much as US criminals, but they can't get them, because their supply is much more limited. I'm not saying that it would prevent 100% of illegal guns, obviously some illegal guns would still find their way into the wrong hands, but much less than is currently the case.
Most mass shooters just legally buy their guns from a gun store, as do most "crime of passion" murderers. If those sources were removed, then there is very little chance of them ever finding a black market source, and any attempt they made to do so would likely get them caught by catfishing police, taking them off the street before they hurt anyone.
As for gangs, they would likely end up with some guns, as gangs in other countries manage, but they would be more careful with them to avoid losing them, and most gun violence would be within the gags, not involving civilians. A few hundred hand made guns is irrelevant when there are thousands sold by reputable manufacturers each month. Even adding all that up, it would be far less than what we currently have, across the board.
This isn't hypothetical, this has ALREADY been done in countries that are otherwise very similar to the US, and we know that it works.
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@ People in the suburbs want to take cars though. You can ask them yourself. They don't want to have to walk for an hour or two to reach a store. What you mean is that you don't want them to drive, which is something else entirely. People who actually don't want to drive live in walkable urban areas instead, which is also an option, just one that plenty of people do not prefer.
As to parking, are you legitimately claiming that without zoning laws, suburban commercial developments would have LESS parking than they currently do? How? Why? Businesses want BUSINESS, and to do that, their customers need to be able to park outside. No developer would build a strip mall on a plot of land with no parking, because no businesses would want to move into that space, knowing that they would not get enough traffic to pay their rent. It's possible that such regulations exist, but if so, they would be redundant, and probably just a holdover from other times.
As to density, that's generally determined by the community itself. If they want higher density, then they will elect people who will provide it. If they do not want higher density, then they will elect people who will block it. It's their choice to make.
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@BreadPickles Yes, but that's because that's what the people of that community want. See, that's the difference, you being in a community does not give you the right to change how that community functions, but that community has the right to determine how it functions. If the majority of your community does not want what you want, then your two options are to either live with it, or find a different community that better suits your preferences. Either is entirely possible.
Also, it's a misunderstanding to think that the high cost of housing in those areas is caused by a lack of availability, it's rather the other way around. Those areas are only viable because they have high costs of living. They require high value occupants to be profitable. If you took a low density, unwalkable area, and you "revitalized it" to be a very walkable area, then the cost of living in that area would skyrocket.
You don't like cars, so building places that are accessible to cars is bad for you, but that's very different from it being bad for most people.
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@BreadPickles Yes, supply and demand is what led to the current balance of drivability and walkability.
And I'm not talking about utility costs, I'm talking about business costs. There are two types of "walkable" areas, there are high quality walkable areas that are clean, have access to a ton of food and shopping options, high speed and convenient public transit, etc. Then there are low quality walkable areas, where you have little option but to walk places, but there are relatively few good food or shopping options, dingy conditions, and minimal public transit.
The latter is easy to achieve, but the former requires a high-income local population, because you are losing long distance traffic in exchange for high quality close in traffic. If you do not have a critical mass of high quality local traffic, then you cannot turn a profit, local businesses go under, and you end up with a food desert area. IF you try to build a high quality walkable area, then the cost of living will automatically rise to meet that needed amount.
It's impossible to "increase supply" your way out of that problem, because if you ever did build sufficient supply of high density housing to overcome that curve, the result would be a short term period of lower housing costs, but then the least efficient of those neighborhoods would start to die off due to lack of revenues, and become low quality neighborhoods.
Highway infrastructure may be expensive, but it also allows not only for the transit of the goods that even dense urban areas rely on, but also it allows customers to reach thousands of businesses spread across a hundred mile range or more. It costs more, but provides more in return.
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@BreadPickles Europe built their communities differently than in the US. You could rebuild the US to be more like Europe, but it would cost more than it took to grow Europe into that organically over the last century, and the public would not AGREE with you that this is what they want.
Supply and demand plays an obvious role in housing prices, but as I said, it it not a system that you can abuse to get the outcomes you want with no downsides. If you build more supply than there is demand for it, then that would drive prices down, but at the cost of unsold units, and therefore commercial failure for the people building it. When you build housing to match demand, then the cost of highly walkable areas will always be more expensive per square foot than lower density options, so there will always be that trade-off. This exists in Europe just as it does in the US.
Your argument about small businesses is entirely wrong. Small businesses fail because bigger businesses can outcompete them on economies of scale. Since the bigger business can stock more items and sell more items, they can charge less per item and still turn a profit. It is impossible for small businesses to keep up with this without someone putting a thumb on the scales in their favor. People aren't more likely to spend more in a walkable area, because while they might not visit as many stores, they are more likely to spend more in the stories they DO visit than in a walkable area, because they are more likely to pick things up from several departments of a large store than they are to enter several different smaller stores.
The infrastructure costs issue is a real one, but it's one that the public has decided they are fine with. They would prefer the current model, and the associated costs, over a more concentrated model. Higher density communities would be more efficient, but efficiency isn't everything.
I'm glad you're engaging with people that have opinions different from your own. These discussions are important to have and we aren't having enough of them. I just think we should build our society that has something for everyone, and that does include people who want to live in high density, walkable areas. But many don't. And we obviously can't build walkable, high density areas outside of the downtowns of our biggest cities, because then those areas would become "downtowns of our biggest cities."
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@ As for parking, yes, many parking lots are mostly empty a lot of the time. This is not a bad thing, because at the times when they do have more than expected customers, there is space for them. If a parking lot is mostly empty during the highest volume periods, then the core business is not doing well, and in many cases they will add additional retail space attached to that parking lot. Again though, for the most part, the parking available to a business matches the demand for it, and under no scenario would you see significantly less parking space than you currently do, because the businesses could not operate with less. Maybe the regulations are better than I thought if they get it so right.
Out of curiosity, if you believe that businesses would put in less parking than they do, and that "regulations" are the only reason for the existing amount of parking, what incentive do you believe there would be for local governments to require MORE parking than the consumers actually need? What is the benefit to them in having an unused parking space? Wouldn't local governments have every incentive to ensure that every square foot of land were put toward a productive purpose? A wanted parking space is of value, but an unwanted parking space would have no more value to the government than it would to the business.
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@ Subrurban areas are no more likely to be financially insolvent than high density urban areas are, have you seen the finances of the major metropolises lately? Any area has the potential to be insolvent if they make poor decisions, but plenty of both urban and suburban areas have managed a balanaced budget. Strong Towns has a particular message they want to promote, so they cherrypick examples that suit their case, this should not be unexpected.
As to your comment on parking lots, so is an apartment building a waste of space when people are at work and it is mostly empty? Pretty much ANY land use will be unused for a significant amount of the day, that does not mean that it lacks value when it IS fulfilling its function. Now ideally you can use parking space efficiently, have vertical garages rather than large lots where possible, perhaps put solar panels over them so that they can also generate energy. Obviously design them in ways that drain efficiently, etc. There are good and bad ways to handle this, but parking in and of itself is not a bad thing.
At the end of the day, walkable towns do exist. You can move there right now if you want. You already have that choice. The only thing you currently lack is for ALL communities to be walking-dependent, and that's something that I doubt America will do any time soon.
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@BreadPickles I'm not saying that the low density infrastructure problem does not exist, only that it is a manageable problem. It is a negative to such communities, but urban communities also have negatives, and any community will need to balance negatives and positives. Sprawling communities do have higher infrastructure costs per resident, but these costs can be managed by a responsible government. A poor government will fail to manage these costs, but the same is true of high density urban areas.
I'll also point out that urban areas are not more solvent on a residential level, they are only more solvent because they currently have higher density of businesses. As more and more businesses have shifted to work from home policies, this advantage has become less and less viable.
Again, car-centric design has clear negatives to it, as does walking-centric design. You seem to personally prefer the negatives to walking, and that's fine, but one is not objectively better than the other. It all just comes down to which set of pros and cons you prefer. Most Americans prefer the pros and cons to driving over the pros and cons to walkability. Maybe that will change, but you have to meet people where they are, not where you are.
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@ Bikes can be faster for some short trips, but for example it takes me five minutes to drive to the store from my house, including traffic lights, but it would take me over half an hour by bike, without air conditioning, and with far less cargo capacity, so I'd need to make more trips. But we are talking "Car-centric design" here, if a place is car centric, then traveling it by car tends to be much faster on anything more than a very short trip. If the infrastructure is intentionally inefficient for cars, then that's more the fault of the infrastructure than the car. The more people prefer to move by car, the more cars will be on the road, so the more adapted the environment needs to be for those drivers. It makes no sense to make life inconvenient for people.
And yes, you list a bunch of potential negatives to cars, I'm not arguing those don't exist, I'm saying that people WEIGHT those pros and cons, and more of them PREFER the balance of car ownership over the alternatives. You don't have to agree with them, you just have to accept their right to not agree with you.
And yes, a lot of those are the benefits of suburbs, but suburbs cannot function without cars. I live near a pretty walkable suburban area, one in which at least some of the community can reach a lot of food options on foot, and that's all well and good, but I doubt anyone in that community lacks cars, because they likely have jobs that require a car to reach, and want access to the many stores that are outside that community. Suburbs are inherently too spread out to be completely self-sufficient as a walkable unit, they need to have the flexibility that cars provide.
And no, suburbs did not predate cars. Unless you mean those built around train lines, which did exist, but tend to have ceased being suburbs by now, because the city grew up around them. It would be inefficient to run a rail line out to every suburban development these days. That time has passed.
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@BreadPickles To your first paragraph, the things you mention as "downsides" are things that are necessary to have a large numbers of cars. I think every driver would agree that everything would be better if they were the ONLY driver on the road, with no other drivers taking up space, but that's an unreasonable expectation. If everyone who wants to drive is able to, then the infrastructure has to take them all into account, and if you build roads in a way that supports only 50 cars per minute, when 100 cars want to pass through there each minute, then ALL of those cars will end up having a bad time of it.
This is far from impossible, and MOST road systems handle this just fine. The worst problems out there come from road networks that were originally designed 50+ years ago, around completely different traffic conditions and with far less understanding of traffic management, and have since been jerry-rigged as best they can, but are still far from the most efficient designs possible. The same is true of many rail networks, of course.
Also, the 1/3 of Americans that prefer to not drive are already not driving. They would not be "removed from the road" they were never there in the first place. The amount of people who currently drive but would prefer not to would barely be a statistical blip. That isn't to say that you can't convert some people from driving to other methods of transportation, but you don't achieve that by making driving intentionally more annoying, you do it by providing legitimate alternatives, like building out rail networks. If people can get on a train from near their house and skip a two hour commute, they might. If you add intentional annoyances to expand their two hour commute to a three hour one, then they will just be annoyed any time the topic of "walkability" comes up, and vote accordingly.
And yes, if you are building a suburb, you can build them to be both walkable and car accessible. I mentioned the one near me that I think does a good job at this. But you can't make it too unfriendly to cars, because if all the workers and school buses set out in the morning, you can't have a three hour back-up because you're trying to funnel things through narrow, winding lanes. You need to design the traffic flows around the peak traffic requirements of the area.
Buses and trams can sometimes work, but often run inconvenient schedules for most people to work around, and/or are massive cost to the community. You talked about suburbs not being able to pay their own way as it is, if they had to also fund convenient bus routes that would blow out any chance of sustainability.
And if you are genuinely making the argument that people should have options, then I have some excellent news for you. You, yes you, currently have those options. There are already communities that meet your needs, out there, in America, as we speak. All you need to do is move to one. The more people move into them, the more that will get built.
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@BreadPickles Well again, quality walkability is necessarily expensive, It's a tripod, "walkability, quality, affordability, pick two." If you're asking to have great walkability AND have it be cheap, then sorry, that's out of anyone's control. It'd be like drivers complaining that they don't want to drive, because they'd prefer a chauffeur, but it's too expensive.
Drivers already pay the costs of their driving in terms of gas taxes, home taxes, and income taxes. You could argue that some of that cost is carried by people who do not themselves drive, but the same is true of pretty much any tax or government program, it's just inefficient to try and calculate every person's exact "fair burden" down to the penny. By and large, the costs and benefits of car ownership are distributed more fair than most programs.
Comparing Amsterdam to most US cities is silly, and demeans us all. European cities are fundamentally different in their overall design than most US cities, as they were built up on centuries of history. It would be possible to rebuild American cities to be more like their European counterparts, but would cost a LOT more money to do so (making the resulting housing even less affordable), and it needs to be done by expanding rail options first, not by making car options worse as a first step.
As to your point about lanes, it is true that simply adding lanes is not always a solution, although it is often a solution in many cases. Once you reach a certain number of lanes, you do get diminishing returns from adding more, but the actual solution there is to build entire alternate routes to reduce traffic on that first route, and also to increase the efficiency of offramps to reduce choke points. If you try to funnel too much traffic into a single off ramp, it will cause congestion no matter how many lanes you have, but if you have efficient methods of peeling off traffic much earlier in the process, it flows much more smoothly. As I noted above, many of the worst traffic areas suffer from having built their infrastructure many decades ago, and so the overall big picture shape of them is not an efficient way to distribute the traffic that flows through them. This is not an inevitability of cars, it's just poor planning that is difficult to adjust for. The same problem can happen with rail networks, or even with pedestrians in some places, such as stadiums.
But I agree, the best way to help pedestrians is to advocate for the changes that don't come at the expense of drivers.
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@BreadPickles You keep listing negatives to car use, and for the most part, I don't disagree that those negatives exist. I don't think that they would come as a surprise to most Americans. I just think that most Americans agree that the benefits of car use significantly outweigh those negatives. It's not that people are making poor choices for themselves, it's just that the choices that work best for them are not necessarily the choices that you would want them to make.
Trains will always be more efficient at cars for carrying passengers from one location on their route to another. Trains will also always be more expensive to build and maintain that single route than an equivalent highway route, and far less flexible at delivering passengers directly to their destination than a car is. The benefit to cars is that drivers can start at a location relatively far from a major arterial highway, they can all meet up at that highway, travel along it to a point near their destination, and then split off from the highway to drive to a point at, or very near to their destination, all without even exiting their vehicle. Outside of dense urban areas, it's very difficult for rail networks to compete with that even in ideal hypotheticals, so while I do think we can and should be doing more than we have, I don't foresee that ever resulting in a less car-centric overall environment, without some major black swan changes to the way people interact with the world.
As to suburbs, as I've said, it's complicated. Everyone agrees that it would be nice to live in a suburb without any cars driving around. . . so long as they could still drive wherever they wanted. It's difficult to design a suburb to have the maximum amount of walkability and nature and comfort, as if cars weren't even a factor, while also having the infrastructure to allow all the occupants to get to work without massive traffic jams. You want to try and divert major traffic as far from the housing as you can manage, but without causing it to take an extra ten minutes of weaving around to enter and exit the community. There are ways to manage this balance, but it's never going to be the best at both factors, it's always going to be a compromise.
And you can also build these suburban communities to be self-contained, with enough businesses and food and shopping to sustain at least some portion of the community's population at least some of the time, but again, this is never perfect, and the more of his you have, the more expensive the community would become in order to sustain all of these businesses. You could not achieve this with very low housing costs, because the businesses would go out of business. I think that a lot of suburban areas built within the last few decades have been designed to be walking and bike friendly, but it will always be a balancing act, and it will always come at a cost.
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@alab3657 When Democrats block bills, it's because of HOW those bills are implemented. For example, if a bill requires photo Id to get a mail in ballot, how would that work? Would they have to mail their ID in? What if they needed it while it was in-route? Would they have to show up at a building and show someone their ID? Well if they could do that, why would they need a mail-in ballot in the first place? Would a photocopy of their ID work? Well that would be great, if they own a photocopier, but many don't.
If Republicans try to implement a law that includes photo ID, and Democrats oppose that law, that doesn't mean that Democrats oppose photo ID in principle, but it does mean that they see some part of the Republican bill as unfairly excluding a portion of the electorate, whether that's by cost, or geography, or labor required to get or use that ID.
Remember that tons of blue states have photo ID laws too, they are just FAIR ones.
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@alab3657 I'm sure if I goggled those things I would find plenty of cases in which a Democrat was not calling voter ID racist, but was in fact saying that a certain implementation of voter ID is racist, like a system that makes Id that Republicans are more likely to have acceptable, like a gun license, while an Id that Democrats are more likely to have, like a university ID, invalid.
If a Republican introduces a bill, and it does five things, and two of those things have anything to do with ID, and the other four do not, and the Democrats oppose that bill, then ALL Republicans want to talk about is how important voter IS is, when what the Democrats are bothered by are typically the other three parts. Unless the part involving ID is particularly idiotic, like requiring a photo ID for mail-in ballots.
The reason Democrats are so wearing about the ID thing is that there is no reason for it. In person voter fraud, the sort of fraud that IDs might help with, are pretty much unheard of, maybe a few dozen in an election of millions of voters. And they tend to get caught with or without ID. So why bother with ID, when it's "solving" something that isn't even a problem?
Also, insurrection is not about murder, it is about trying to prevent the legal progress of government, say by preventing the certification of the President elect.
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@alab3657 I wouldn't say that any of them were "homophobic," they just had viewpoints that reflected the times. 99% of Americans in 1980 would be considered "homophobic" by 2021 standards, but times change, viewpoints change, and now most of those people have also changed with the times and the views they hold now are more in line with the country as a whole. That is how things should work. Even at the time they were far less homophobic than their peers on the other side of the aisle, and that's all that mattered.
Viewpoints on topics like gay marriage and trans rights have shifted massively in the last decade and a half, and the viewpoints of major Democratic politicians have shifted along with those of the rest of the country. Again, this is how it should work. It's only shameful for those who still haven't shifted along with the country and currently dig into those old viewpoints.
"And just like voter ID which was deemed racist 1 month ago is now good to go. "
Again, it always depends on how it is implemented. IF it is implemented in a way that leads to less black people being eligible to vote than before that law, then it obviously is racist. If it does not lead to that outcome, if it's implemented in a way that results in the same amount of black voter turnout as before the law, then it is not racist. Democrats have never opposed voter ID in principle (although they have rightly questioned the need for it), but they have certainly opposed implementations of voter ID that specifically make it less likely for Democratic voters to have or be able to present the necessary ID, relative to their Republican peers.
That has not changed.
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This is not complicated, guys. some documents clearly leaked, or they would not be upset about it, but some of the documents that claim to be "leaked documents" are not actually US documents, they have been doctored to appear real, and obviously the government would not confirm which are which, since that would tip off our enemies as to which information to act on. This is common misinformation tactics, you release a bit of truth, so that people will believe what you have to say, and also plenty of lies you want people to believe, and those who want to believe those lies will buy them hook, line and sinker.
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@ronald3836 Well, the "established retail price" would be the setting before the change in question had been made. The point is that if a merger takes place, and it leads to worse outcomes to the consumers of that product category, then that is a bad thing. Obviously it would be on the FTC to show that any price ranges were not strictly unrelated market forces like supply chains or inflation.
I don't think that this case specifically singles out specific logos, I think it is based around a certain swath of the market. Anything significantly more expensive would be considered a separate market, anything significantly cheaper would be considered a separate market. Not all products would have such cleanly defined bands of pricing, but luxury fashion certainly does.
Again, YOU can argue that the distinctions that the market makes for these products are not relevant to you, and therefore should not be considered as relevant, but the fact is that these market conditions exist, whether you agree that they should or not.
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@ronald3836 Well, the "established retail price" would be the setting before the change in question had been made. The point is that if a merger takes place, and it leads to worse outcomes to the consumers of that product category, then that is a bad thing. Obviously it would be on the FTC to show that any price ranges were not strictly unrelated market forces like supply chains or inflation.
I don't think that this case specifically singles out specific logos, I think it is based around a certain swath of the market. Anything significantly more expensive would be considered a separate market, anything significantly cheaper would be considered a separate market. Not all products would have such cleanly defined bands of pricing, but luxury fashion certainly does. Again, YOU can argue that the distinctions that the market makes for these products are not relevant to you, and therefore should not be considered as relevant, but the fact is that these market conditions exist, whether you agree that they should or not.
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Flash once got shot in the back of the head, and instantly went into time stop as a reflex, and then moved out of the way, but this didn't start until he actually felt the bullet. I think when a speedster is running coast to coast, in a second it is mostly a blur to them. It wouldn't feel like only a second to them, but it might only feel like minutes. When they are traveling through an area like Nebraska, with wide open roads, they might perceive it as only a split second, while when moving through a major city on the highway it might feel more like thirty seconds or more of making sure to avoid traffic, and having to run through down town would be even more focused. The more attention you have to pay, the slower it would feel.
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@MrStubbs8157 You present it as though the changes we made did not help. If we had not made those changes, then things would have been as bad as today, but 15-20 years ago, and by today would have been several times worse. Yes, as we made certain things more efficient in the developed world, more and more of the third world started to build up and consume more power, but that would have happened with or without the efforts toward efficiency, so it was still a positive thing that we did it. We would still be in FAR worse shape had we not.
Energy efficiency is not the enemy of progress, we can have efficient travel, and efficient package delivery, and all the great things people expect us to have, AND be energy efficient and carbon negative. They are not mutually exclusive. We just need to make the investments to GET us to that point, and if we'd made more of those investments twenty years ago, then it would have made the whole process faster and cheaper.
We will ALWAYS need more energy than ever, but there's nothing that says that energy needs to come from carbon.
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@johnteets2921 There are no "sins" involved here though, at least nothing that's more "sinful" than eating bacon.
And if He didn't create people to be trans, then they would not exist. They do exist, therefore, God created them. They are a minority, yes, but that doesn't make them any less valid. There are more transgender people in the world than there are Inuits, and yet Inuits exist.
There is no chromosome attached to trans people, any more than there is a hair color attached to being French. That's not even close to how it works. God tests different people in different ways. Some people He gives poor eyesight, and they have to spend money on corrective lenses. That does not mean that they do not exist, or that they should pretend that they have perfect eyesight and avoid glasses. If God made someone Trans, it was because He did not want them to live as their assigned gender, nor to be naturally born into their experienced gender, He wanted them to go on the journey of experiencing both sides, because that creates a unique piece of His puzzle.
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@jimconard9341 But if you had looked it up, you would know that the remain in Mexico policy requires the support of the Mexican government, and they have no interest in continuing that policy, regardless of the US position on the matter.
Also, the more inconvenient the US makes it for people to cross the border, ALL that achieves is feeding the cartels and their trafficking operations.
And again, you're right that the actual problem here is the years it takes for their claims to be processed. That is WHY these bills have been introduced to better fund our border systems and allow those claims to be processed expeditiously. As soon as they can either be deported or granted residency, they can begin to ADD to the economy, rather than being a drain on it. This is a problem entirely of our own making, from decades of failed attempts to stop the inevitable rather than manage it.
Also the crime rise in Texas had nothing to do with immigrants, they were local people. The larger issue was an increased availability of firearms due to reduced gun restrictions.
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@jimconard9341 They are the reality at the southern border. Things are rarely simple, and everyone who tells you that there is one simple reason for any geopolitical problem is playing games on you.
Again, cartels take advantage of CLOSED borders, not open ones. When there are open borders, cartels have nothing to gain. They ONLY profit from people needing them to cross a border, or from them being forced to stay in Mexico without support for months at a time, allowing the cartels to prey on them the entire time. You seem to have no actual understanding of the situation, and are just repeating verbatim what you have been told by others to believe.
Again, the volume of migrants is not an issue, it's really not that serious on a historical timeline, given that we now catch and process almost all of them, whereas in the past only around 30% of them would even be encountered by border patrol. The ONLY issue here is that the TIME to process them has gotten longer and longer, and UNTIL they get processed, they are a burden on the state. AFTER they are processed, they cease to be any problem at all.
Also, why would members of BOTH parties engage in a "political stunt" like putting together a bipartisan bill? What would either party gain from that?
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@jimconard9341 I'm sorry that the world is more complicated than you would like it to be, but there's nothing either of us can do to change that, so we may as well agree to live with it.
I thought we were talking about immigration. Yes, cartels smuggle drugs too, but that is a business that has nothing to do with migrants, and generally takes place at ports of call. The more open the borders are to migrants, the less likely drugs are to pass the borders undetected.
No, they do not "vanish" after being processed, they just cease to be a problem. They are either deported (and therefore not our problem) or they become productive members of the community, in which case they are a benefit, not a problem. It is only before they are processed, in which the state has a burden of care for them and they are prohibited from working, that they cause more cost than benefit.
And yes, if fewer people were coming, then we could process them faster, but we can't do anything about that, it's like saying that the problem with Katrina was "there was too much water," as if that helps anything. The people will exist either way, all we can control is how to manage that fact. The fact remains that IF we INCREASE the processing capacity, which is what the administration is working on, then we can handle the current and expected future flows. If we continue to stick our finger into the dam and demand that the water just go away, then it will continue to overflow and cause trouble.
And I'm glad we can agree that there would be no point to the bipartisan bill as a "political stunt." It was just a good faith effort by both sides to find a problem to this situation, until one of those sides decided they preferred to run on the problem instead of actually solving anything.
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@mike-xn1qj Walls are like dams, they can slow the passes temporarily, but eventually the flow will return to the pre-barrier rate. They can NEVER reduce the flow permanently. You build a wall and it might slow the flow for a few months while people figure out the best way to go around it, but eventually they will have plenty of methods to do so, and the flow will resume at the previous level.
All barriers do is empower the cartels, because when people need special routes in, the cartels will always have them, whereas when they can enter through ports of entry, they have no reason to get involved with cartels.
Also, more people attempting to cross the border today get caught than ever before. In the early 2000s, most people attempting to get across did so without getting caught at all, now almost all of them are caught and processed.
If you actually want to solve the problems at the border, then we need more border judges to process claims, so that those with legitimate claims can get work visas and start contributing to the economy, while people without legitimate claims get deported.
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Lol, this is a pretty silly scenario. It's not like even the county breakdowns would matter. Yes, the Republicans are more spread out, but the Democrats are more concentrated. Even in majority Republican counties, there are plenty of Democrats living there, so there really would be no "lines" in this conflict. A Republican/Democrat conflict would instead tend to break like this, one party has official political control of America. Members of the other party believe that they have "gone too far," but cannot change things through democratic means, so they rebel. The majority of the military would not split directly on partisan lines, but rather on the righteousness of the rebel cause. If the rebellion was generally viewed as illegitimate, then few would join it, even if they shared the party of those leading the rebellion. If the rebellion were considered legitimate, then few people would rise in defense of the establishment, even if the establishment was their own party. I think in most likely scenarios, a Republican-led civil war would be doomed to overall failure.
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As someone who's been reading comics over 30 years now and gone through a lot of positions on this topic, the one thing that I can't get past in the modern era is just how literally IMPOSSIBLE it would be to maintain a secret identity in 2024. I mean, at minimum you would need to have a full body, intentionally misleading costume that never breaks, voice editing, paranoid roundabout ways to convert from civilian to hero, etc., otherwise, your villains would inevitably figure out your identity eventually.
Between voice analysis, facial recognition that could work with even a Batman style cowl, finger printing, DNA testing from any blood or hair samples, video cameras everywhere, etc., if anyone REALLY cared who some masked person was, they would be able to figure it out, no question. So, basically, what's the point in trying?
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So here's an interesting point, the solar system is mostly "flat", right? I mean, it's not completely flat, but most things fall in a generally horizontal plane. So if you're in Earth orbit and fire something "outward," then it might hit some other planet or ship or whatever on its way to the edge of the solar system, and then maybe boomerang back and make another pass, and so on. But what if you fire "up" or "down?" If you're in Earth orbit and fire "up," then it would keep going "up," until eventually it might be pulled back "down" toward Earth's orbit by the earth and sun, although presumably if it did again cross the solar system's plane it would be further inward by that point?
So I suppose it would not make it impossible to hit other targets, but I do think that firing up and down would reduce the odds of hitting things greatly, since those projectiles would stay out of the standard shipping lanes for almost their entire lifespan. That being the case, perhaps it would make sense for one of the "Geneva conventions" of space warfare to be that battles take place in a "vertical" orientation, or at least that battleships first fly above/below the plane to fight horizontally (like higher than the top of the sun's sphere), which would at least cause shots to travel diagonally once gravity takes hold.
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@Melikegames3100 There are no US bases in Ukraine, that did not stop Russia invading. Anyone who believes they are safe from unprovoked Russian aggression is a fool. Also, what would distance to Moscow have to do with anything? EVER? If it came to such warfare, no part of Russia would be safe from attack, even if there were NO NATO presence in Ukraine, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania. Moscow can be hit from the US just as easily as from any of those countries if there is a need to do so. NATO could occupy a small town right down the street from Moscow, fill it with all their best weapons, and that would make no strategic difference to Russia's overall safety.
It's idiotic to believe that Russia invaded Ukraine over any reasonable justification, Putin SAID why they invaded, they invaded because they consider Ukraine to be a part of Russia, and reject any attempt for Ukraine to make friends with anyone else. Well Russia never had any right to decide such things.
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@HunterBloodHunterBlood Nope, he tried to stop some traffic from China, but did nothing to halt other travel, and travelers form Europe is where the covid in the US mostly came from. The Dems called him xenophobic because of his obsession with China, which was xenophobic.
Besides which, by the time Trump attempted cut off travel even to China, there were already at least some infections in the US, so a total "no virus gets in" policy was not on the table (although it could have been if he'd reacted when he knew about the virus instead of waiting until the public knew).
So the issue was that he failed to lead from the White House, he failed to say "we've going to do full lockdowns, we're going to have mask mandates, we're going to take this pandemic seriously," instead he more often defaulted to "just let the states decide," which is the worst way to handle any large scale problem.
Governors in predominately blue states did their best to survive the experience, but since infection kept coming and going into their states from red states throughout the pandemic, there was only so much they could do. Kristi Noem held a biker rally. Trump held a campaign rally. Neither went well for the nation as they carried infections all over the country after.
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@browncow8422 Yes, I spent numerous attempts trying to get my own post to stick, and could never figure out how to get one of my points to go through. It's just the nature of the beast.
What I would like to see done is some combination of A. greatly increasing the convenience of legal entry points so that every person showing up on our southern border can enter at a reasonable pace and have their case heard and processed fully within a month or less, and B. working to improve countries to our South to the point that they are viable alternatives to moving here, to reduce the demand for incoming migrants.
And no, it is NOT ilłegal to release people claiming asyłum, they’re NOT required to be detained and kept in custody. I don't know who told you that or why you believed them.
Also, it is against federal and international law for BP to stop illegal crossings. They have no jurisdiction until people actually cross the border. Once they do cross the border, they are required due process under the law, so they cannot be deported until they have their day in court, and due to backlogs, that can take months, or even years.
Nothing has changed about that under the current administration, except that the previous one was putting these people into camps. Deportations under the current administration are consistent with the previous one, there are just more people arriving, because the reasons why people would want to move have increased.
Țrump had the highest, UNTIL there was a pandemic, which was the ONE time during his administration that it actually dropped. It had nothing to do with him or his policies.
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@browncow8422 The previous admin's remain in MX policy was struck down by federal courts, it would be illegal for the current administration, or future administrations, to use it. It only lasted as long as it did due to the pandemic, which was again, outside of any president's control. Biden's policy is no different than Obama's.
And I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Obviously we have the ability to guard the legal ports of entry. If you show up at the port of entry, they can deny you entry, and they currently already do that. My point was that if we are talking about outside of that port of entry, if we are in the middle of a desert somewhere and a BP officer sees someone approaching from the south, they can't just legally push them back. If they are on the southern side of the border, they have no legal right to touch them, and if they are on the northern side of the border, then they have a legal obligation to detain and process them, which involves giving them due process. They have no capability to "stop" them, and never did.
And no, there is no federal law which says the president may prohibit the entry of any people for any reason for any time period. There never was. Those are laws that are outside of a president's control.
Do we have an obligation to let everyone in? No. But we do have an obligation to due process, which takes time, during which time they are a burden, so it is in our best interests to speed up that processing time and that is what the administration is trying to do. Long term, there is no solution to just ignoring the issue and hoping they go away, they will keep coming, and we need to figure out actual alternatives that work for them, or they will never stop. You can tell them that you don't want them, that is not their problem.
But is it harmful to America that they come? No, not really. It is currently a problem, because most of them get stuck into a legal limbo in which they are not legal residents, but if we can resolve that backlog, get them fully incorporated into the country in an efficient way, then they will only benefit America's future, just as previous waves of immigration have.
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@browncow8422 But none of the previous presidents strategies actually worked, they were just a bandaid. The current president is using the SAME strategy, in the short term, at least, and people don't seem satisfied with the results.
It never will work, people will continue to come, in larger and larger numbers, and yelling at them to go home won't slow them down any. That's just a toddler tantrum attempt at an answer, "I'm not happy, so WHAAAAA!" We need better answers, ones that actually treat them as human beings with their own goals in this process, and figuring out a way to make life better for them, while improving America in the process.
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@HELLO7657 Well, they are already using rail, but there are limits to what the rail network can transport efficiently, especially when most of their customers are across the black sea. I don't know what their exact trade routes are, but I assume it's something like a short train ride to Odessa, then ships that can hold dozens of train-loads of goods that go through the Black and Mediterranean seas to either North African ports or through the Suez canal to East African ports, or around to the west African coasts, etc. If we cut out the black sea portion then they would at minimum have to move things by train through some European links to some European ports before getting things onto ships, in addition to the normal trade in that port.
It's certainly possible to transfer some amount of food that way, but supply chains are typically designed to be very precise, to have enough capacity for what they need and not much more. Look at the chaos at the SoCal ports last year when their normal operations got disrupted. Opening up Odessa for trade would certainly allow for a higher volume of food to pass through.
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@SkiddlyDoo It does not matter who owns the national debt, it is not like a bank mortgage where it can just be foreclosed on, it is a rolling debt where people agree to be paid off at a specific time, and that is the end of the story. From the perspective of the US, it is completely irrelevant whether that debt is held by a US government branch, by a private Us citizen, or by a foreign citizen, it is the exact same thing.
No credible economists have claimed that the US would default at 200% D-GDP, because there's no reason why that would happen. So long as we can continue to pay off the interest on that debt, and we obviously could then it continues to flow.
And let's not forget, a lot of people talking about the economy have no idea what they are talking about. Some people believe that the Federal Reserve printed 3 trillion dollars in 2020, when anyone actually paying attention to such things would know why that is a silly thing to believe.
And of course the investments made to get us out of the pandemic did not have a significant impact on inflation, that was caused by supply chain issues and oil producers manipulating the cost of oil. So long as we have a fossil fuel based economy, that will remain a problem.
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@pay-tray-it4897 no, it had been asserted, without evidence, that the chain of custody had been compromised. It was never concluded, because that would have required presenting evidence, which they did not have.
And yes, the printing of the ballots n some areas was incorrect, and that led some to believe that their votes would not be accurately counted, but as it turned out, this was not the case and they were all accurately accounted for.
And yes, Hobbs went above and beyond to ensure the integrity of the election, but no amount of integrity is good enough when those like Lake do not get their way. "How could it possibly be a fair election if I didn't get my participation trophy!" is the battle cry of the modern GOP. There is NEVER any satisfying them, so beyond a certain point it is just throwing good faith after bad.
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@melissacoupal585 "Oil independence" is a myth designed to get tax breaks for oil companies, and you apparently fell for it. There is no such animal. The only way to be "oil independent" is to not use oil for anything. So long as you do have a need for oil, you can never be independent, because oil is traded on a global market. US produced oil doesn't cost a penny less at the pump than Saudi oil, and if the cost of Saudi oil goes up, then American producers will charge you more for it. Do you understand this?
The US produces 150,000 more barrels of oil today than it did at any time during the previous administration. We EXPORTED more oil in 2022 than at any point in the previous administration. Gas prices are still high because other oil producing countries have cut production, shale producers have stopped selling at a loss, and two of the major suppliers are locked in a war at the moment. That would be the same regardless of who was in office at the time.
Economists would disagree with you because everything you just said was completely wrong, and you would know that, if you had any idea what any of it meant.
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@melissacoupal585 My point was that what you meant by it does not actually matter in the grand scheme of things. It's a concept that does not actually function.
And no, you are completely wrong about the strategic oil reserve and how it works. For one thing, I was talking about our oil exports TODAY, in 2024, and we stopped drawing down the strategic reserves years ago, but even beyond that, the government does not determine who gets the oil from the strategic reserve, it is just released into the American oil market. If people in that market choose to resell it to a foreign country, that is capitalism, not an act of government. And that is the issue, oil will ALWAYS go to the highest bidder, so whether it is produced here or elsewhere is entirely irrelevant to the price. If any other country in the world is willing to pay more for US oil than Us consumers want to spend, then that oil will just be sold elsewhere.
There is no such animal as "energy independent," UNLESS either A: your energy sources are not tradable, such as Iceland's geothermal, or B: you NATIONALIZE those sources, greatly restricting international trade on them. So far, no US administration has gone that far, so any talk of ":energy independence" is just a smokescreen for handouts to oil companies, meant to fool the gullible.
Also, the Keystone pipeline has nothing to do with energy independence. It was a way to get Canadian oil to international markets, and only benefited those oil companies, not American consumers.
And yes, I am aware of the "petro dollar," but it does not mean what you imply it to mean. It certainly does not mean that the US gets to define global oil prices in any way.
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Here is the map I would like to see:
1. Take each individual polling place, or at least as granular a data set as we can find. Color a dot for each polling place that is shifted red/blue in exact proportion to the votes case, so you would almost never see pure red or blue, and see purple on a 50/50, magenta on a 60/40 red and plum on a 60/40 blue, etc.
2. The white balance of the dot would also be based on the population density of the dot, so a dot that represents "the most people" would be a very deep color, while a dot that represents fewer people would be closer to a pink/lavender/baby blue.
This would, I believ,e result in a "heat map" style map that is mostly purple with arcs of magenta and plum, dashes of red and blue, and would be more vibrant along coasts and around cities, while being more washed out in the more rural regions, and I believe that would be a more clear snapshot of where the people are at.
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@JMurph2015 Well, the plug itself is a general standard, and that's a good thing, but I'm talking more the availability and quality of stations. There should be a unified trade organization that makes a point of guaranteeing the quality and availability of stations, to minimize "no stations nearby" and "broken stations" issues as best they can.
The free market is currently doing its thing, and it's a bit messy. That might settle down eventually, but it might take a long time to get there.Right now, there is not enough activity in the market for competition to actually exist, people use the stations that exist in the place they want to charge. I feel like this is a situation where there needs to be an organized, "monolithic" solution for the time being, until the basic needs are all covered, and then after that there can be competition to "do it even better than that."
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@crispinfornoff206 Texas does well, but only because they happen to have a lot of oil, not because of anything Texans ever did. As for the rest, they're 27, 35, 33, 40, 36, 24, and 31 in per capital GDP respectively. Not one of them is outperforming the national average. Even Texas is only 16th, behind tiny Maryland.
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@goosnavslakovic4908 Price levels fluctuate due to all sorts of things, they don't necessarily indicate a dangerous economic situation any more than a stomach ache is a sign of cancer.
The economy during Trump's earlier years were goosed, but even then they were only following the trends set up by the Obama administration. You can draw a straight line from when Obama started pulling up from the Bush recession through to the covid hit in 2020.
And again, gas prices are just WEIRD, there are certain things to look at, but it's impossible to pin down exactly what gas prices "should" be at any given time. There are more people out than there were last year, if not more than in 2019. But then you also need to factor in that oil companies adjusted their production based on assumed demand, so no point pumping more oil than you think you need. You have to consider that the pipeline hack disrupted supply lines. You have to consider that oil prices often go up based on speculation of the future, or based on demand elsewhere in the world.
The price of oil right here, and right now, is just a really bad way to gauge anything other than the price of oil right here and now. The current price of crude oil is lower than it was during 2018, and currently the national gas average is $3.19 a gallon, which isn't the highest isn't been.
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@goosnavslakovic4908 It only "depends on who you ask" based on the intelligence of who you ask. There is no reasonable argument for keeping "business as usual" in operation during the pandemic. Mail order businesses are just naturally much more competitive options during a pandemic, and even without any government intervention, business would have been way down from normal, due to customers not trusting the businesses. It is a fair application of rules that have a disproportionate consequence, which is why the government should take steps to offset those consequences, by compensating people disproportionately effected.
There's really not much that a restaurant can do to "adapt" to a global pandemic untouched. They can just shut down, but then they have fixed costs and no income. They can switch to take-out only, but that is definitely lower profit margins. They can remodel their interiors to be as "covid-safe" as possible, but that can get expensive, and even then guests don't often trust those measures, and business is still likely to be well down from normal. There is no real way to do it right, only "less bad" options.
Meanwhile, the things that Amazon does basically just work without much hassle for them. It was "lucky" for them, but nothing sinister about it.
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@goosnavslakovic4908 It's a balancing act. Many customers are conscientious. That's great, overall, but bad for businesses, because it meant that even if businesses stayed open, they wouldn't get the customers they would need to actually thrive, but would still have the costs of staying open, so that's a catch 22. And then there are the people who aren't conscientious, who would "business as usual" if they were allowed to, and would slow the recovery for everyone else and lead to the avoidable deaths of thousands (some people actually care about that sort of thing).
And of course on the business side, they don't want to go out of business, so if there only options are "business as hard as we can, even if we know that it's unsafe and bad overall," or "go out of business," then they might choose the former, which is why we should not put them in that position in the first place.
Covid obviously does not have a "low death rate," it has a horrendously high death rate, more deaths per month than the average flu season, even after vaccines became available. It was obviously vital that we took what steps were taken to mitigate the virus, and that anyone who opposed that was either ignorant or actively malicious.
Fighting wealth inequalities and corporate consolidation is a good thing, but you don't do that over a pile of burning bodies. You take the steps necessary to save lives, and you fight wealth inequality and corporate consolidation via taxation and regulation. Those are the free market doing exactly what it is designed to do, covid restrictions may have caused short term pain for small businesses, but they were already being choked out by the status quo.
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@goosnavslakovic4908 There is no specific difference between "businesses" and "corporations," but scale allows the big corporations to be more agile. If they need too throw money at a problem, they have the money to throw. The market shifted to mostly mail-order, and big corporations were better positioned to handle that. Nothing in government was preventing a small business from doing exactly what Amazon was doing, but the free market conditions put them at a serious disadvantage in doing so.
I mean, "how are competitive businesses staying open any more responsible for the spread than corporations like Amazon? "
This question doesn't even make sense. Customers, man. If you buy something from Amazon, then it is delivered to your door, and you never have to interact with another human, making it impossible for you to get infected that way. If you go to any physical location, then you take on certain risks of getting infected. There are things a business can do to reduce the chance of infection, and if they are open, they should definitely be doing those things, but it can never be as safe during a pandemic as mail-order. Nothing from government ever prevented ANY business from operating as a mail-order business, it's just that most businesses are not set up to do this effectively.
"Business has unsafe practices? It will show through revenue. "
That's not good enough. This cannot be a "free market situation" where businesses that do wrong get punished by the consumer. This is a PANDEMIC. It's measured in LIVES, not in REVENUES. The purpose of shutdowns and imposed safety requirements were to control the spread of the virus, any impact that had on a business's ability to turn a profit was inconsequential to that. You cannot make the argument that "a business is allowed to put its customers at risk as much as it wants, and if they don't like that then they won't shop there," because some people will shop there, but their decision to do so does not only impact themselves, it impacts everyone ELSE in the community.
That's the problem with a pandemic, a pandemic cannot just be a "personal responsibility, everyone takes their own chances and suffers their own consequences" situation, because each person's behavior impacts far more people than just themselves. If you choose to be reckless, that does not only harm you, but it can harm dozens, hundreds, even thousands of others.
And please, do not try to pretend that the pandemic is not a big deal. That's impossibly ignorant, you CANNOT make that argument in good faith. More people die to covid every two days than died on 9/11. It killed more people last year than a normal flu season, a normal year of car crashes, a normal year of gun deaths, and a normal year of suicides combined. It killed more than the combined US death toll of EVERY US war other than the Civil War.
IT IS BAD.
STOP TRYING TO PRETEND IT WASN'T THAT BAD.
It just makes you look stupid, or evil.
The government is not giving major corporations any money that they aren't also giving to smaller ones. Should they exclude the larger corporations from the relief packages? Maybe, but that would be government getting involved in business, and could get complicated from a legal and bureaucratic standpoint.
This does do little to solve wealth inequality, and it is not attempting to. That is on the back burner right now because there are more pressing concerns, like saving human lives. When there is a house fire, you don't worry about the water damage, you put out the fire. We'll get to wealth inequality later.
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@beeweb1137 The 29 trillion is from budgets, but "not raising the debt ceiling" doesn't do anything about that. All it does is cause us to default on our obligations and send the country on an immediate debt spiral that we won't recover from in our lifetimes. I'm not saying that debt is not a problem, I'm saying that this is a preposterously stupid way of reacting to it.
Think of it like this, let's say that "bankruptcy" doesn't exist, that if you personally rack up a lot of debts, then you are stuck with them, and if you can't pay them, then everything you have gets taken and you go homeless until you can pay it back. Now in this situation, you have racked up $100,000 in debt. Was that responsible of you? Probably not, you shouldn't have done that. But you have. And you've been paying the interest on that debt just fine, you have been making your payments, you can continue to make your payments and stay stable indefinitely. Nothing is stopping you from at least keeping this current situation going. But you decide, for no particular reason, to stop paying the interest on your debts. So the bank calls your loan due, you can't pay, they take all your stuff and now you're homeless. How is that improving anything for you?
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@goosnavslakovic4908 It is good for city officials to order in-person businesses to lock down. That is a good thing. It is a thing that should be done when there is a pandemic. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with them doing that.
In an ideal, Democratic world, though, the federal government would have funded more help for small businesses so that while they were shut down they would be more financially stable.
But they still should have shut down. Probably for a lot longer than they did. Period.
And yes, there is some risk to the employees at a warehouse, but it is much easier to mitigate those risks to those employees than it is for EVERY business across the country to responsibly protect EVERY customer. With a warehouse shipping business, you only have to worry about the exact employees within that facility. With open season on small businesses, you have to worry about millions of retail employees and hundreds of millions of customers.
And again, if a small business wanted to operate as Amazon did, working entirely through mailorder, there was NO "shutdown" on that, nothing was stopping them. They just could not operate an in person business, because there was a pandemic going on.
As for Walmart-like businesses, I agree that in a perfect world, they would have been closed too. But that would get complicated. The basic rule was that "grocery store" style businesses could stay open, because people NEED to eat, and those are the most efficient way for most people to get food. Home grocery delivery can get a bit complicated at the current time, and ordering all groceries to close would cause logistical nightmares to prevent starvation.
Ideally the alternative would be what China did, provide free food delivery to every resident of Wuhan until the virus got under control there. But we really aren't set up for something like that, especially on a national scale.
Of course ideally, a Walmart could keep their grocery side open but be forced to close down their non-grocery services, but that also would get complicated. Perhaps we should plan ahead better for next time and have such rules in place.
"So the "some people" who shop there, who make a risk for themselves, will not be enough to keep those stores open, "
Maybe. Eventually, but what about in the meantime? They could keep operating like that for months, at the least, and all during that time they would be posing a public health risk for others. It's like arguing that drunk driving should be legal because eventually they'll hit a tree or something and take themselves off the road. No, you act preventatively.
"I'm sorry, but can you provide me with a plausible scenario where a reckless person suddenly endangers thousands of people?"
Sure. One person is sick with covid. He goes to a "tyranny free" store where dozens of likeminded people ignore all regulations. Most of them leave the store sick. They go home to their friends and family, and get most of them sick. They are also likely covidiots, and each frequent other businesses and services that don't take precautions, and now we're into the hundreds. These people also go to places where more careful people are, like grocery stores, and even though the more careful people take every precaution, no precaution is 100%, so if they encounter lots of infected people, their odds of getting sick increase.
As the hospitals fill up with covid patients, they can no longer care for the patients that come in, and people with heart attacks go untreated. That is how thousands die from one idiot.
And the measures the governments took had a MASSIVE impact on the death rate. It would have been well over one million by this point had we done nothing. It could have been as low as 100K if we had done more, and sooner, or if more people actually LISTENED.
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@goosnavslakovic4908 Ok, yes, if one person is unsafe and everyone else is perfectly safe, then chances of spread are low. But in a more realistic scenario in which dozens of people are unsafe and hundreds of others attempt to be safe but sometimes make mistakes, then spread occurs, and each person that behaves unsafely is that "one" person who infects dozens of others, who infect dozens of others, who infect dozens of others. The point is, that one person should never have been that one person.
And again, short of staying at home 24/7/365, which was impractical for most people, there was no way to be perfectly safe. Even following all the available best practices only improved your odds. If we had a world in which all businesses stayed open and things were as "business as usual" as possible, but everyone, even the most covidiots of covidiots, followed every rule properly, maintained perfect social distancing and mask use and all that, the virus still would have spread to some level within the community. And of course you can't make policy based on ideal cases, you have to make them based on realistic amounts of rule-breaking.
Covidiots are why we can't have nice things.
As for "self segregation," it really doesn't work like that. Sure, you might have "blue areas" in which most people follow the rules, But there will always be overlap, in which one of the stores I go to might have all "blue people" shopping there, but then some of those people go to a place where some red people shop, or maybe some of the employees do, or maybe some of the delivery people who delivered produce to the store do. Or maybe they have family members that do. If there is "no rules" behavior going on within a community, or even adjacent to a community, then it will have some consequences for everyone. This is why it's important for rules to be as broad as possible and cover as large an area as possible, so that there is as little transmission as possible.
Also, don't take early results as a sign of any great thing. It is a pandemic, it doesn't suddenly appear everywhere at once, it spreads. It literally wasn't in most places for the first few months. People were totally wasting their time by being careful in most communities. But of course they couldn't know if they were wasting their time until it was too late, so it was better to do the right thing, even if it turned out to be unnecessary, than to not do it and there's a massive outbreak. But by the summer and fall it had reached just about everywhere and become endemic to the local communities. Still some places though where it just so happened that no infected people had passed through, and they were bragging "I don't do anything different and nobody around me's gotten sick," which is nice, but also irrelevant to anyone in a community with active spread.
I would never argue that all government entities handled everything perfectly, but I think that most of them were trying their best, and that most of the policies that got the most complaints were the ones that were the most necessary. Even in the California recall exit polls, the majority of voters thought that Newsome handled covid well, and a large chunk of those who thought that he didn't thought that he'd been too loose.
I don't think that the government's reaction caused any significant shift in wealth disparity. The rich might have gotten a bit richer, but they were on that track already. If covid had never happened, the business landscape would have looked exactly like this in no more than a few more years of expected progress. The ONLY way out on that is regulation and taxation, and we need to be doing that anyway.
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@beeweb1137 I'm not sure what you're talking about. The current US national debt is only 130% of GDP. That's not great but it's by no means catastrophic. Japan's at 234% at the moment, China is at 270%. For a major world power, that is entirely sustainable. Having high national debt is not actually a problem, so long as the things that you purchase with that debt are worthwhile things. It is only an issue if you waste that money on things we don't need, or if you aren't adequately taxing the wealthy to keep revenues up.
Failing to raise the debt ceiling does not prevent them from budgeting in new debt, that is not how any of that works. What it does is prevent the government from COVERING those EXISTING obligations, so that our entire economy, and likely the world economy, all collapse, making it much LESS likely we will ever be able to handle our debts.
I don't see how anyone can view that as a positive thing.
Again, if you feel that the US is spending too much, that's fine, but the debt ceiling is a terrible way of dealing with that. It's like saying "I'm getting a bit fat, better take a knife and carve out a few pounds of belly fat." If you feel the US is spending too much, then the time and place to have that fight is during the BUDGETING process, cut programs, don't approve new ones, that sort of thing. Reduce the amount we commit to spending, rather than demanding that we default on things we already owe.
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@beeweb1137 Again, that's not how it works. We need to keep paying the INTEREST on the debts we've already accumulated.
*If you want the government to "stay within their limits," then the TIME to have that argument is in the BUDGETING PROCESS, and has NOTHING to do with the debt ceiling.
I am really not understanding why this is taking you so long to understand, I have gone well past "explain it like I'm 5" territory.
Think of it like this. Say you have a comfortable nuclear family, with a home and car loan that is slightly more than you make each year. That's clearly an unsustainable burden on you, right? I'm sure you would NEVER be so irresponsible than to take out a mortgage that is MORE than you make in a given year, right? So anyway, you also have a ten year old daughter, and you promise her a car for her 16th birthday, and college tuition when she graduates.
In this scenario, the house and car would be your "debt," and the car and college would be your "unfunded liabilities." Now you can question the wisdom of having taken those loans and made those promises all you like, what's done is done.
So this year, years before even you have to buy that car and tuition, you have to pay your home loan payment, and you declare "no, I would rather not, I have taken on too much debt." Even though you totally could pay what you owe, you just choose not to. So the bank forecloses on your house and car, repossessing them, and ruins your credit rating for decades to come. You have gained absolutely nothing, are unable to provide a home for your family, and certainly won't be able to get your kid that car or tuition later. Congratulations on your wise financial decisions.
If, instead, you just continued to pay your debts to the bank, then you would continue to live i a nice house, continue to be able to drive to work, etc. Now maybe at 16 you wouldn't be able to afford that car, or at 18 you wouldn't be able to afford that tuition, and you might need ot have difficult talks with your child about alternatives, but those "unfunded liabilities" are far LESS of a problem than defaulting on your ACTUAL debts TODAY.
And yes, it is irresponsible that we have to keep raising the debt ceiling, but the solution to that is not to actively play chicken with going over the cliff, the solution is to REMOVE the debt ceiling so that it no longer looms over us.
The debt ceiling is not there for any GOOD reason, it was put there in 1917 by isolationists that didn't want us in WWI. It is a stupid relic of the past.
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@Michael_Dominik You said that the reason was that it "cut's across the media's narrative," whatever that might be, and yet there is a FOIA request for it, which is part of the media. The media can't report on what they imagine the manifesto to contain, that would be Faux News, not actual news. The media can only report on the manifesto once it is made available to them by the police. As for why the police have not released it, that is their problem, not "the media's." Presumably they had some case they wanted to look into first.
As for when the shooter is a right wing white guy, as is so often the case, they often have a very public diarrhea of hate speech and other such nonsense, the shooter in this case reportedly has Nazi tattoos on his body, so there is much more to report on there.
And as for Nashville, the media "shifted away" because the story shifted away. They had reported all the details on the shooting itself, there was no new information to report and no reason to repeat the details they had already reported, if you want to hear their old reports again, you can look those up. But the expulsion of the two black representatives was a new story, so of course they covered that too. They will move on from this shooting too, as the next shooting comes, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the hundreds more we will have this year alone, all because Republicans can't stop fondling their guns.
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@tammyorton6356 It doesn't matter whether they believe in Jesus or not. What matters is what people who claim to believe in Jesus do with their lives. If people are going to invoke Jesus' name as a justification for their own behavior, then shouldn't they at least be following Jesus' teachings while doing so?
Ideally, an Atheist would follow Jesus's teachings, and typically, most do, better than many Christians do, but if someone is going to weird Christ's name like a weapon, they had better at least be using it right.
Also, you are yourself completely misunderstanding Jesus' teachings. He would NEVER agree with you that "do unto others" entitles ANYONE to ignore the hardships of others. "do unto others is not some bare minimum standard, where if you view someone as treating others poorly, that gives you license to treat them poorly. "Do unto others" means that REGARDLESS of how someone else behaves, you should treat them as you would want to be treated.
You are taking the Lord's name in vain by attempting to invoke Him falsely.
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The whole point of magitech is that it's applying scientific principles to some element that does not exist in the real world. I'm not going to argue that it does exist in the real world, but if it did, magitech could be the result. It's like when we discovered radioactivity. This was a "whole new trick" that science allowed us to apply in all sorts of ways. The idea of magitech is to just posit one fantastic element, a fuel source that does not seem to exist in reality, and then extrapolate all the potential uses of that discovery.
Now, as to your theory that the Hextech crystals are "anti-matter," what if it is not a chunk of pure anti-matter, but a complex "antimatter mineral?" By that I mean, what if there were some method that produced a large blue crystal that, if separated out into individual atoms, would be like 99% "something," and 1% "anti-something," but in which the crystalline latices and the electromagnetic charges of the atoms were such that they didn't actually touch, that each anti-matter particle was caught suspended in between several matter atoms, unable to come into contact with them.
In this case, the crystal would be completely safe (when properly handled), since the outer surfaces would be entirely normal matter, Carbon, let's say, but perhaps there would be better atoms for this purpose. If, however, you destabilize this relationship, by fracturing the structure of the crystal, or less catastrophically by using EM fields to extract some of the anti-particles from the lattice without directly touching them, then you could harness power from the crystal.
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@UglyMofo24 Nobody lives in Wyoming. It stands to reason that that they would have lower covid rates than places where humans live. Even so, rates there are rising since the spring.
As for the email from fauci, that was his understanding at that time. Science evolves as new information becomes available, they do studies, they collect data, and their guidance changes to reflect that new data. Early on in the crisis they believed that only n95 masks were effective, but as more data came in, they established that actually, even cloth masks helped greatly, because they would blunt the velocity of the viral particles, reducing their effective range. This has been proven out by multiple studies over the course of the virus, it is a fact, whether you understand it or not.
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@UglyMofo24 The tests done that "show that masks do nothing" were not done by professionals, unless you mean "professional scam artists." The tests done by professionals show that masks do have a positive impact on controlling the virus. Period. Full stop. Do not spread lies to the contrary. I tried linking an article in the Journal Nature on the topic, but Youtube is touchy about outside links. You can look it up yourself.
Also, population sizes definitely do matter when talking about a pandemic, because viruses do not just rise out of the ground evenly, they spread from person to person, so the fewer the people in a given area, and the less contact that those people have with anyone outside their group, the lower the risk of transmission. That's why plenty of red states did better than blue ones early in the pandemic, they just tended to be less likely to encounter infected people. It's not some great victory for their prevention strategies, it's just the expected outcome for rural environments when nothing else is done.
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@Floridarollin Again, the CDC did not do anything there, it was a reference to one bad study from the 90s, but that was the only data to go on because, for some reason, Republicans did not WANT the CDC to do ACTUAL studies into the subject. Weird right? If the actual data would show that defensive gun use was a great thing, you'd think Republicans would WANT the CDC to study it, wouldn't you? And yet they passed an entirely law to BAN them doing so. Weird. Weird. . .
And again, guns do not prevent genocides. Nazi Germany had very high private gun ownership, and yet they had some of the worst genocide in the western world. Civilians with guns do not prevent bad governments, free and fair ELECTIONS prevent bad governments.
Again, the fact is that guns kill Americans, guns do not protect Americans. Stop coping.
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@Floridarollin Disregarding empirical data does not refute anything, but I haven't done that. I disregarded a flawed study from the 90s that had terrible methodology and proved nothing, yet is often cited by gun-lovers because it tells them what they want to hear. Just because something claims to be "empirical data" does not mean that it is so. You need to be a better consumer of information, better capable of separating out quality data from fairytales.
And Germany did not strip the guns from the society at large, they had a relatively high civilian gun rate, that did not protect the Jews from the holocaust. The problem in Nazi Germany was not "they came for people's guns," it was "they came for the Jews, and nobody stopped them." Realistically, the ones who would "come for the Jews" are more often the ones WITH the guns, not the ones trying to take them away from people.
And the Chinese communist takeover also had absolutely nothing to do with civilian gun ownership. You just seem to be throwing out "a bad thing happened" events as if gun ownership or lack thereof played any role whatsoever in it. Even today, communist China could be overthrown in a single night IF the people rose up to do so, without needing to own a single firearm. There aren't enough guns in the entire Chinese army to stop them. Access to firearms is not what keeps them in line, it is that they lack a will to fight back.
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@Floridarollin That points out another important point, that while some revolutions in history have been done by good people toward positive ends, civilian gun ownership has ALSO led to numerous cases of revolutions that do NOT reflect the good people of the nation. The communist takeover of China and Russia, the Nazi takeover of Germany, all of these were caused by civilians with guns. For every nation in which guns played a role in leading to a positive and democratic future, there are a dozen nations where civilians with guns led to despots and destruction.
I mean, what do you believe would have happened if Donald Trump had been successful in 2021, and remained in power? Do you really believe that America's gun owners would have risen up to depose him and restore democracy, or do you believe that they would be more likely to actually support his takeover? It would be disingenuous to pretend that gun ownership and virtue go hand in hand, when often enough, the opposite is true.
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@AGuy-s5v "The CDC" says nothing on the topic, because congressional Republicans banned them from collecting actual data about guns. A CDC webpage once cited a thoroughly debunked lobbyist study because a Republican administration required them to. If you conclude from that that the numbers are on your side, then you must have a roaring bridge portfolio.
An average of 1,575 people are murdered by gun in Texas per year. In the entire state of Illinois, only 1,363 die per year from gun violence. That is less.
And again, local bans don't accomplish much, because you can freely cross in and out of those areas. In COUNTRIES with gun bans, otherwise equivalent to the US, they have 1/6th or less as many murders. Guns KILL, they do not save lives.
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@RWZiggy No, that's the thing, it is ALWAYS your responsibility to make sure that the money gets where it is going. "I sent it off" is never an excuse for the money not reaching its destination. If you send it to Wells Fargo and they choose not to send it on, you have not passed off that responsibility for them, YOU still get in trouble for the money not arriving. Now, you might be able to sue Wells Fargo if they violated their terms of service (I do not believe anyone has violated their terms of service in the matter of Russia), but YOU are still responsible for the payment reaching its destination, and the people who were supposed to get that payment have no standing against Wells Fargo because they do not have a financial relationship.
If Russia sent a payment to EuroClear, knowing that EuroClear had no intention of passing it on, then that is still Russia's problem, not EuroClear's.
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So, the way I understand it, if you had a ship that could travel through normal space at 2x the speed of light, and you wanted to travel to a location 4 lightyears away, you could do so, and it would only take two years, and then you could return, and it would also only take two years, and the result would be that from the perspective of Earth, you had been gone four years. From your own perspective being on that ship, I expect things would get weird, since if you reached exactly light speed, then your perception of time should be that it freezes, that the entire trip takes zero time (which would make it hard for the ship to brake when it gets where its going).
But if you could move even faster than that, if your velocity was double the speed of light, equally distant from the speed of lick as "no motion" is, then what would you perceive? Would you believe that the trip would still take no time at all? Would you believe that the trip would take a full two years, because the further past light speed, the time dilation shifts in the opposite direction? Would traveling at 3x light speed cause the person on the ship to perceive time passing twice as fast as on the outside?I can't imagine how perception could occur in reverse.
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@jacobtuttle4311 And it would not be my responsibility to "save" an adult from their own childish behavior, so if you are insisting that I have some burden of responsibility to "raise these idiot kids right," then you are, in fact, AGREEING that they are idiot kids.
And I have looked inward, which is why I do NOT misrepresent things or spread falsehoods without correcting myself. Also, you know what children do? Call people "fascists: for telling them not to play with matches. Adults know what a fascist is, and know it's not that, and don't trivialize the term by using it so loosely.
If they don't want to be treated like children, then the responsibility is on them to not behave like one. Who's providing them the lighter and the fuel? Joe Rogan, which is why we'd like him to kindly stop doing that.
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@jacobtuttle4311 I didn't do anything, but Youtube works in mysterious ways, so it wouldn't shock me if they hid it. I think you're trying to use projection here, a "you're as bad as they are for pointing out how bad they are" thing, or something, but then 3what would that make you? At the end of the day, accountability matters, and they are the ones doing actual harm. If my pointing out that they are doing harm hurts their feelings, then that is too bad, but in no way comparable to the actual harm they cause to the world.
Again, it is not my responsibility to be eternally nice to them no matter what their actions are. If you believe them to be adults, then expect an adult level of self awareness. If you cannot expect that of them, then you are agreeing with me that they are large children.
And again, I don't think anyone is less intelligent than me, beyond what they themselves prove through their actions. If they believe the earth is flat, then I will believe myself more intelligent than them, that is not a failing on my part. Treating people like they are your inferiors is wrong, unless it is accurate, and statistically, half the people out there are below average. There is no benefit in pretending that all "facts" are equally valid, whether they happen to be true or not. Actual facts beat imagined facts, and enabling idiots benefits no one.
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@mastick5106 I'm not citing any particular study, but I don't think it's unlikely, given the growth in EVs, combined with likely rises in fossil fuel costs, and expanded EV technology. My point is, 2035 is not an unreasonable goal to set in 2023.
As for the "lithium bottleneck," it is already in the process of being solved, the mining and processing facilities necessary are already being built and will be available within no more than five years. Also factor in that alternate batter chemistries are also being developed, so cars built in 2030 and 2035 will likely have something significantly different, but will still benefit from the growth in EV availability over the next decade, since they will still use the same charging infrastructure.
EVs do have some issues in cold weather (as do ICE cars), but they are definitely solvable problems. There have been great videos done on some recent problems people had in Chicago recently, and how those problems are completely avoidable. The more comfortable people get with EVs, the less likely such things will occur, the same as with ICE cars. I mean, Norway is one of the biggest buyers of EVs, so the cold doesn't bother them anyway.
As for the power grid, we need to expand the power grid with or without EVs, and that too is an ongoing process. The power grid in 2023 couldn't handle everyone driving EVs, but the gasoline network in 1923 couldn't handle everyone driving automobiles, that's ok, it expands to meet demand. There's nothing preventing the power grid from keeping up.
As to your last point, I'm not sure what you mean. They've modeled out what we can expect if people continue to drive cars at the current rates, that's plan A, and they've modeled out what would happen if we stopped all CO2 production now, that's plan B, neither of them terribly good, any plan to reduce CO2 production would fall somewhere in between, but modelling any specific program to do so would be difficult, because it's too small a part of a larger effort.
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@calencrawford2195 Right, that's the sort of conspiracy theory silliness I was talking about.
Corporations do hold a lot of power, this is a capitalist society, but it's not as 1:1 as you make it out. It's not perfect, but it is better than the alternatives.
As for Iraq, yeah, that was a bad call. Most Democrats opposed the war at the time, and the few that supported it did so because they were deliberately misled by the Bush administration. It was certainly a mistake, but it was done by a different administration, many years ago.
It would also be unfair to lay everything that happened in that country at America's feet, given that whether the war itself was justified, Hussein was gassing his own subjects, and most of the deaths in the region happened as a result of conflicts between people in the region, not between them and the US military. The US had about as much to do with the majority of the violence in Iraq over the past decade and a half as Austria did with WWI.
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@TingTing-f4q If the House Oversight Committeee gave Biden and Wray the same treatment that the previous congres gave to Trump, then that would mean leaving him alone, because he hasn't done anything wrong, unlike Trump, who committed many crimes. Justice does not work with "if you punish one side, you need to punish the other just as much," it works with "anyone who does crimes, regardless of which side they are on, gets punished, and anyone who is innocent, does not."
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@RobertL.Peters At no point did I say that 40% was attributable to monetary policy. I said that even according to the person I was talking to's report, 60% of the inflation was directly attributed to supply chains. The remaining 40% was not necessarily due to monetary policy though.
The people whining about monetary policy today are the same people who always whine about monetary policy, because they have complex conspiracy theories about how monetary policy "really works" and want people to invest in whatever nonsense they invest in instead.
Again, if the US inflation were largely due to monetary policy, then why is inflation as bad or worse in so many other countries over the same period of time? Also, while you seem to blame "the Biden administration," it's important to remember that most of the monetary policy moves were made under the Trump administration, before Biden took office.
And no, illegal immigration in no way contributes to inflation, you just seem to have a "word salad" view of economics, "whatever things I don't like, THEY'RE to blame!"
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@noahmartin3057 Well look, the current inflationary spike has nothing to do with the fed. It's much worse in other countries, that the Fed have no influence over. The Fed is doing what they can to get inflation back down to reasonable levels. Too much inflation is definitely bad, everyone agrees on that, including the Fed, and rich people. But most economists agree that some inflation is good, 1-2%, because that means that if you just hoard money under the mattress, it loses value, and thing swill only get more expensive later, so you should probably buy things now.
It keeps the economy moving at a steady pace. If your dollar could buy twice as much tomorrow as it does today, then why spend it today? That leads to economic stagnation, where nobody is buying, so nobody is selling, so nobody is producing, so nobody has jobs.
So the "value of the dollar" is lower than it used to be, and it always will be, unless things go terribly wrong. But this does not matter. All that actually matters is that the value of an hour of work remains steady or improving, and that has nothing to do with the Fed, it has to do with business. The value of an American worker's labor has never had anything at all to do with actions of the Fed, it has had to do with policies that allowed businesses to shift money from workers to management and shareholders.
And as for two-worker households, that again had nothing to do with the Fed, that had to do with women entering the workforce. When you have twice as many employees, the value of labor goes down. This is inevitable. I don't know why anyone would think the Fed has any say in the matter.
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@jaartisjones5713 Yes, although that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to send soldiers into Ukraine. After all, article 5 was called in Afghanistan, and NATO members did respond to help the US, but many of them did not send even a single actual soldier to fight. That's fine, so long as they support the efforts in other ways.
I think if article 5 were called in Ukraine, the most likely course of action would be a further flood of weapons to Ukrainian forces, the use of US and European aircraft to fight Russian air forces and bomb their land forces, the use of NATO missiles and artillery from neighboring counties, but I don't think deployment of NATO ground troops would happen right away, if at all.
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@biggoards2772 1. You're parroting right-leaning talking points without any proof. There are housing problems in America, as there are in most countries, but those have nothing whatsoever to do with immigrants. They have to do with speculative real estate investors. The free market is incapable of solving that problem, since it will always be of more value to them to target wealthy people looking to speculate in real estate than to make affordable housing for people. If the current housing situation bothers you, elect more Democrats to pass legislation intended to incentivize more practical housing.
2. Illegal immigrants are not buying farms, they are working on farms. The sorts of "foreign nationals" that can afford to buy up land get here using the official channels, if they even enter the country at all. So far as the average American goes, it really doesn't matter whether the person owning the land is American or foreign, all that matters is that the land is owned by someone else. Foreign nationals that own land would have significantly less influence over public policy than actual American voters would.
As for people "paying their own way," again, immigrants "pay their own way" more than people born here do, in spite of whatever government benefits they receive. Their existence in your state would REDUCE your tax burden, not add to it.
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@ian6695 You should be paying more attention to developments in clean energy production and storage then. There are methods involving wind, solar, and geothermal that can help. Nuclear can be a part of that too.
I expect there will still be fossil fuel powered electric plants past 2036, but the point is that we're building the infrastructure to move away from those fossil fuels, that as the plants change over, the cars will automatically benefit from that. Besides which, an electric car, even if charged using fossil fuel sources, is better for the environment than an ICE car, since the power plant scale processes are more efficient than millions of cars on the road can ever be.
Also, more and more agricultural equipment is moving to electric as well, it's cheaper to maintain and fuel.
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@merriemerrie7378 There is certainly pressure and politics in how SOME studies get conducted, but the results undergo peer review, and they aren't under the same limitations, so if there are flaws in the methodology, they will come to light. Studies are unlikely to be wrong, so much as they are likely to look into things that are of interest to a particular company or other sponsor, and ignore topics that aren't as valuable to them.
But Bob Johnson's point was nonsensical, that a study would "demonstrate one thing and the conclusion is completely different." That never happens. If a study announced a conclusion that was in contradiction of their OWN data then they would get laughed out of any credible journal. That's "America's Front Line Doctors" nonsense. If they did a study that reached a conclusion that they did not want to support, then they would not just announce a different conclusion, they would either bury the report, or they would at least cherrypick the data to support the conclusion they wanted, but even the latter is extremely rare in serious research, and unheard of in vaccine studies.
Peer reviews studies are not always accurate, but they are accurate FAR more often than they are not, and if you disagree with one, then you need to find a DIFFERENT study that is MORE credible with contradictory results, not just say "well I don't know about that. . ." and expect that to be considered equally valid to the study.
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@Real_2Phase Because anarchy is a lack of government. It's at the zero point, if it's even on the spectrum. The spectrum does not include anarchy at either edge, the extremes of it are authoritarianism on one side, a single, unrepresentative leadership system, and then democracy on the other, a democratically elected representative system of government, in which the collective will of the people is accurately expressed. A democratically elected representative body cannot possibly be authoritarian, by definition (although it's possible for one to become authoritarian if they diverge too much from the public will after being elected).
The soviets may have started out as left wing, because yes, the ideals of communism can align with left-wing beliefs, but in practice they turned hard right almost immediately, and the bulk of the soviet history was pure right-wing authoritarianism, with lip-service paid toward communist philosophy. Dictators very often attempt to mask their behavior behind pretty slogans, that does not mean that they are honestly representing that philosophy. Or do you believe that North Korea is a Democratic Republic?
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@Real_2Phase Again, no, authoritarianism is at the furthest point to the right. This is why authoritarian parties are called "far right" parties.
And again Anarchy makes sense in the middle because it is the opposite of any form of government, and therefore can't be at either end of the authoritarian/democratic spectrum. It is the lack of either of those things.
To your second point, you completely misunderstand what "authoritarian" means. It does NOT mean "the government gets to make rules that everyone needs to live by. It's never meant that. That's just "government." Authoritarianism means that the people in charge of the government do not represent the will of the people, they are applying their own personal standards upon the people, in spite of them.
Basically, say you have a tiny community of only six total people. Five of those people decide to have a big, noisy party, one of them opposes the party, and shuts it down. That is authoritarianism. Conversely, say that one of them decides to make a ton of noise and disrupt the community, and the other five want things more quiet, so they shut him down, that is not authoritarianism, because it represents the overall will of the community.
Soviet communism does not reflect actual left wing principles because those at the top, making the decisions, were an authoritarian oligarchy that did not represent the will of the people. Countries like the ones you listed call themselves democratic, and they pretend to have elections, but since they do not in fact have valid elections, they are not in fact leftist. Also, in most cases, they were never voted in at all, they just seized power from previous governments, but even in cases where they did get voted in once, they used that authority to undermine the democratic institutions so that no future valid elections were held.
Now IF the people could fairly vote for their representatives and those representatives had made those choices, then it could have been considered a left-wing organization, but they never had that. The closest thing to a true leftist government would be like Sweden at certain points, or other social democratic countries.
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@Real_2Phase So then why are "far right" parties all authoritarian and not about individual liberty? You have your own personal definition here, but it has nothing to do with the political spectrum that most people use. Again, "anarchy" is not on the spectrum because it is merely a lack of government. It would be the equivalent to "asexuality" on a sexuality spectrum.
Your idea of the tyranny of the majority is flawed, because the alternative would be that the one person could do whatever he wants, even if it is harming other people's standard of living. Ultimately, when people come into conflict, there needs to be a method of resolving it to the satisfaction of the largest number of them. As they say, "democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones." It may not make everyone happy, but it is most likely to make most people happy.
Also, your farming metaphor had nothing to do with socialism. The dangers you cited are not an outcome of collectivism, they are an outcome of ANY government that chooses not to provide reasonable respect for individual choice. The outcomes you propose would be just as likely to result from ANY governmental system that makes poor choices, regardless of whether they are democratic or authoritarian in structure. Democratic systems are just less likely to result in such outcomes, because larger groups of people have more checks and balances.
You claim that I'm misguided because socialism masks authoritarian goals, but you are more misguided in applying all potential evils to "socialism," rather than reflecting on how they can apply to all forms of government, including anarchy. Just remember, the endgame of anarchy is always authoritarianism, because power abhors a vacuum. Pushing for anarchy is only an attempt to flip the board, in hopes of landing on a better square once it all settles back down.
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@Real_2Phase Again though a "far right" political party is, factually, authoritarian in nature. That is what the term means. You can choose to believe that this is not what the term means, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone else will use it differently than you do.
Libertarians are mainly on the right because they oppose collective action, but are more toward the center of the political spectrum, not the far right. They are balanced against liberal democrats on the left.
As for your definition of socialism, it was one invented by those on the right who want to associate socialism with the various self-described communist states, rather than with the more successful socialist policies. Any seriously political scholar understands that the soviet model failed at basic socialism.
Again, your farm metaphor is only bad because in the end, those in power decided that the farmer should do what they want, instead of what he wanted. That is a problem of bad governance, not an issue of socialism. It would be equally bad whether the 5/6 decided that the one should farm what he does not want to, OR if 1/5 decided that the farmer should farm what he does not want to. The issue was not whether it was democratic or autocratic, the issue is that the governing system did not care about the desires of the individual in question. A "tyranny of the majority" may sound bad to you, but it is at the very least better than a "tyranny of a few," which is what far right parties aim for. The problem is the tyranny, not how it gets there.
A democracy is less likely to result in tyranny than an autocracy is. Collectivism is less likely to result in tyranny than autocracy is. "The most people the most happy" is likely to lead to more people being happy than not, which is a better outcome, if perhaps not a perfect one. There is no reason to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
And in practice, anarchy never continues to be anarchy. Some force, be it a strong individual (autocrat) or a strong group of people (oligarchy), will eventually seize power for themselves, and nothing can stop them doing so, because there are no institutions to do so. It's impossible to sustain actual anarchy when dealing with any population size larger than "one." This is why it's important to have a strong alternative government in place, and again, democracy is the best alternative proposed so far to hold that position, even if it doesn't always work out perfectly.
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@garyoldham4449 You say that you believe "And allowing the human race to evolve gradually. Instead of tyrannical ideologues. . ." and yet we are talking about a case in which a tyrannical ideologue invaded a sovereign nation, claimed several chunks of it for himself, intended 9but failed) to seize the rest of it. No person who can claim in good faith to oppose tyranny can possibly support Russia in this conflict. Whatever your beliefs about Ukraine, you would be honor bound to insist on a 100% Russian withdrawal FIRST, and THEN a consideration of any independence claims for the remaining regions.
Also, Ukraine is a Republic, not a Federation, so I don't know why you bring up Federations.
You say "I don't believe in isolationism. I'm one step above that. Offshore. I don't believe you have to have free trade with a horrible Nation. On the other hand sanctioning a nation only hurts the citizens. So what good is that? It does mean that the nation doing the sanctioning will get a larger slice of the pie."
So you believe in Offshore, but without doing any of the things that would make Offshore any different than Isolationism. So you believe in Isolationism. In any case, both are bad if that's the only tool you have. You need more than that, because the rest of the world still exists, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Allowing problems to fester across the world means that eventually they will come home to roost. Germany never would have invaded France if they'd been blocked from invading Poland. Japan never would have attacked Pearl Harbor if they'd been driven out of China. Waiting until an enemy has conquered everywhere else and is on your doorstep only means it will be too late to get your boots on.
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I agree with what Balmer thinks government should be. I disagree that it is doing that job successfully. I feel that business has too much power already to get government to work how it wants, rather than how the people will benefit. I definitely agree that the government can and set rules that would cause capitalism to function in all of our interests, but I think that the power that capitalism has to lobby and to convince the public that bad deals are actually in their best interests have led to a system in which government is unwilling to take the actions necessary to actually bring capitalism to heel. I see ads constantly to promote some legislative agenda or other, put out by some industry lobbying group. Whether that bill passes or not, in ten years someone will experience a result of it, and have no idea that it was because of that bill, and they might have had the completely wrong idea about that bill when it was actually on the table, because of those deceptive ads. And that's before even getting into campaign financing.
I do think that capitalism can be bent to the interests of humanity, but that effort needs to start seriously and immediately, because if it's not too late, it's close enough to it. Once human labor is no longer necessary to capital, it's game over.
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I think that spot needs a very simple, low head. Its basic form should be a half-cylinder, where one half overlaps the body and one half hangs forward past it. Then this half-cylinder is split into quarters with a hinge at the half point, allowing this quarter-circle "head" to pivot up, down, left and right slightly. Then everything would have the edges rounded, and mechanical optics would be added to the "head" element. It would not be animal-like, it would not have realistic features, it would just give the impression of a low head. Two other things that I think would help would be to make his "thighs" a bit larger relative to his "biceps," since most animals are like that (this added size could perhaps contain small utility pockets), and also perhaps his walk cycle could be adjusted a bit to be more fluid, with less snappy starts and stops of each motion, so long as this does not too significantly harm its stability.
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So, if "company towns" have to follow the "rules of government," like following the Constitution, then why wouldn't HOAs? I think HOAs can be a good thing in theory, making sure that people don't make a complete mess and keeping the public facilities up, there's no way they should be this unaccountable. HOAs should be required to be fully democratic, with the board elected by the home owners they represent, re-elected every year or so, able to be kicked out by a community vote, etc. Rules should be subject to direct veto by the community, unless they are essential to the operation of the neighborhood (for example the community could not vote to remove the basic HOA dues if the community has costs to pay, but if the HOA tried to pass a "no lawn gnomes" rule, that would be open to public veto if the community disagreed). And of course, all constitutional protections, such as due process, would need to apply to all HOA actions.
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I believe in the basic idealistic theory of capitalism, that innovation should be rewarded, but I do think that it needs to be moderated, that capitalism left to run rampant become cancerous. I do think that people who work hard and work smart, that truly revolutionize things, should be rewarded, these people deserve to have a higher standard of living than people who just casually coast through life, but I believe there should be a functional cap to this, that the more you make (starting well beyond what any human would actually need, so no, I'm not talking about you), the less you should get to keep. Once people have made their first few million, it should be exponentially more difficult to pocket the next millions, that money should be distributed more evenly. The innovators would still get plenty to live a life of luxury, but would never be in a position where they couldn't spend their entire fortune over several lifetimes. Meanwhile, plenty of people who work VERY hard but see little return on that effort should get a bit of a leg up. Hard work should be rewarded fairly, even if it is not the "right" kind of hard work that society currently rewards.
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@allanford2663 Child poverty dropped to zero during 2021, it only rose back to previous levels when Republicans insisted on cancelling the Biden programs that ended child poverty. So if child poverty bothers you, vote for Democrats.
As for inflation, Biden's managed to keep inflation down relative to other countries over the past couple of years, it would obviously have been much worse under a conservative government.
As for borders, the border is currently more secure than it ever has been, we're apprehending more people crossing than ever before, and getting them processed for potential asylum claims if they have any, or deporting them if they aren't. The Democrats have proposed multiple paths to improve this process, but it is Republicans that fight comprehensive border reform at every step, so again, if the border bothers you, we'll need ore Democrats in office to solve it.
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@SB-to2jp No, a President has no power to declare "this is mine," there are laws that say that ALL Presidential records belong to the National Archives, NO presidential records belong to the President. And while the President does have the power to declassify documents, there is a process to that, which was not followed in this case. Simply wishing that the documents had been declassified does not make it so.
The Christopher Steele dossier was paid for by GOP opponents to Donald Trump in the 2016 election, and later by the Clinton Campaign, but it is important to recognize that the Steele Dossier was not the source of the Trump-Russia investigation, the FBI had already been on the case, and even if the Steele Dossier had been completely imaginary, it would have no impact on the actual collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian agents, which was proved through other sources. I don't know why people keep talking about the Steele Dossier as though it were somehow relevant to anything in 2023.
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@SB-to2jp Again, four of those years, he was president with a corrupt Attorney General covering for him. Even then, the special counsel he'd appointed determined that he'd done wrong and would have been charged with crimes if not for his corrupt AG defending him. And he was twice impeached, and twice had the majority of Senators vote to convict, just not the 60 votes needed. His business was convicted of tax fraud, the one that he 100% controls, but he hasn't personally been charged in that case, yet. His lawyer was convicted of conspiring with him to violate campaign laws and was sent to prison over it, but Trump himself was not charged for his role in that crime, yet. But why do you believe that he won't be, just because he hasn't, yet?
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@hashiramasenju8785 . . . why would I rely on the government to tell me whether a rule meets the definition that the government set for what that rule is. . .
Is that a serious question?
You believe that the research meets the government's definition because you either don't understand the government's definition or your don't understand the research, the government does not have to write rules so simple that even an idiot could understand them, these rules are meant to be used by medical professionals who can understand them. Yes, perhaps they could "stupid proof" the rules and make them much simpler, but what benefit would that be?
If your argument is that the government would not accurately report rule breaking, well I hate to tell you, but the government reports on itself ALL the time. "The government" is not some monolith that is constantly moving forward with a single voice. "the government" is millions of individuals in hundreds of different departments, and when one of those departments steps out of line, it is the role of the regulatory bodies, like the inspectors general, to determine that and to apply sanctions as necessary, and they do that.
It wasn't the job of the NIH regulators to approve this research at any cost, it was only the job of those regulators to determine whether it was valid or not. There is no incentive for them to approve something that they should not approve, that would only cause them future headaches. If they get handed a research brief, and they read it, and their honest impression is "this would be illegal," then there would be ZERO reason for them to approve it. Instead, they read it, they reported that it was fine, and so it was fine. Even if you disagree with their findings, it would be 100% honest for ANYONE to then report that the research was fine, because it would meet the definition of that term.
As for the origin of covid? It came from an animal. I do not believe there is any sufficient evidence that it was intentionally modified by humans for any purpose. I still believe that the wet market release was the most likely way that it entered the human population, but that a lab leak is at least plausible as well. I believe that if it was the result of a lab leak, it was entirely accidental, and was a release of a natural strain that they were studying at the time, which is the job we would want them to be doing.
Even if it did come from the lab, and even if it were somehow modified, it was not related to any of the projects that the NIH had funded there, which are well documented and completely different biologies to Covid-19. the purpose of the Wuhan lab was a reaction to previous epidemics that originated in Asia, to study similar viruses and to get ahead of future outbreaks.
Virologists had been predicting something like the covid pandemic for over a decade now, and even if you buy the lab leak theory, had we done nothing, it still likely would have occurred within the next decade at some point. Research like that done at the Wuhan Institute is what helped us to prepare for this one, helped us to develop the basis for the vaccine, and allowed us to get on top of the virus when it did hit. without research of that type, we would not have a vaccine today, likely would not have a vaccine for several years yet, and would have to be living under extreme lockdown conditions for the duration. the thing that troubles be is in how these efforts to save lives have been demonized by certain parties who just want someone tangible that they can blame for all of this, rather than just "nature." Nature has killed a LOT of people over the years, and will continue to do so. Sometimes, there is not one person to blame, and that's ok.
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@hashiramasenju8785 If someone is claiming that they are lying, and they have no reasonable basis to make that claim, then yeah, that claim should be dismissed out of hand. For someone to make the claim that they are lying, they would need evidence to support that claim, which they do not have. Rand Paul saying "I think it's gain of function" is not evidence. Credible outside experts saying "we think that it's gain of function" is something, but still not evidence of lying.
Here's the thing about "lying," if the experts at the NIH reviewed the grant and said it wasn't gain of function, then that's LITERALLY IT, there is no counter argument to that. If that's what they said, and Fauci repeats it, he is literally incapable of being a liar for that, because it is what they determined. Even if everyone outside the organization is convinced that it was gain of function, Fauci would still not be lying for stating what the official determination said. That's just how it works.
The only way that anyone could actually get into trouble over this is IF there were direct evidence that someone in authority put direct pressure on the internal examiners to get a result that was contrary to their own findings, OR if there were direct evidence of bribery or other forms of material corruption, OR if there is a record in which Fauci himself specifically says this was gain of function but that he was going to somehow obscure that, THEN there might be a case for wrongdoing, but otherwise it's just blowing smoke.
But "I don't like the results they found, therefore there must have been something shady going on," is not evidence.
And Hashirama might be stronger than Orochimaru, but much like you, he is not a medical expert, and cannot even question the actual medical experts on their findings.
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@FalonGrey I'm sure that there were some Democrats who were in favor of total isolation from the Middle East, just as there are plenty of Republicans who have that stance, but "Democrats" in general do not, and certainly not in a reckless manner.
As for the Iran deal, nobody trusts Iran to not build nukes, which is why we had the Iran deal, which was based around verification. All Trump did was cost us that verification capability, which allowed Iran to do whatever they wanted.
I'm not saying you specifically wanted to approach Mars recklessly, I was making an analogy, that just because Democrats have certain long term goals, does not mean that they would support someone for pursuing those goals in a way that was reckless and destructive. Democrats support Medicare for all, for example, but would be very critical of anyone who implemented it in a way that completely obliterated the US healthcare system in the short term, when there are instead paths to pursue that goal more responsibly.
Situations where "people turned on" an issue that Trump engaged, typically did so because Trump tended to engage them poorly. They did not seem to adequately address the intention of those issues, failed to function efficiently, and were basically viewed as "virtue signalling," attempting to appeal to people who cared about that issue, without actually caring whether a good job was done with it or not. A lot of Democrats did not support our engagement in Syria, but that does not mean that they should blanket approve of leaving hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of our Kurdish allies out to dry.
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@FalonGrey Oh, there are tons of anti-WAR Democrats, sure, but that doesn't mean that they want to end the wars badly. Even Biden is facing a lot of criticism from some on the left for how his withdrawal from Afghanistan will impact women and those who allied with us. Mainstream Democrats generally thought that it was a mistake for Bush to invade Iraq, and that we should try to get out of there, but also typically believed that we needed to do so carefully. They would not applaud a chaotic and rushed withdrawal.
And again, the Iran deal was not about allowing them to have a nuke, that was what Trump's policy was. The Obama Iran deal was about preventing them from getting one by enforcing strict scrutiny. There was no further development during Obama's term, it was only after Trump blew up the deal that their progress started up again.
Obamacare did not raise the price of your friend's medication, greedy pharmaceutical companies did that, and would have done so with or without Obamacare. What Obamacare did was ensure that millions who didn't have healthcare had it accessible. Now Democrats were not satisfied with where Obamacare started, and tried numerous times over the years to improve on it, but were shut down consistently by Republicans. If you want Obamacare improved, then contact congressional Republicans and make sure they step out of the way.
"You like Trump? Then you're a buck tooth, racist, inbred, mentally disabled, NAZI, bigot who hates brown people. "
Hey, Democrats do NOT think that about people who support Bush or Trump. I don't think any of them think those people are "buck toothed."
But yeah, the rest is spot on. Very self-aware of you.
If people were polite and progressive enough, then they wouldn't put an "R" next to their name.
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@tyronetrump1612 Including yourself, apparently, because that's not how it works. "Printing money" can reduce the value of the dollar, but the pitiful implosion of the economy hurt it far more. If we'd had a robust stimulus package in early summer to keep the economy stable through covid, yes, those costs would add up, but the confidence that we were working our way past this problem would leave the economic impact rather neutral. Basically it would be a show to the rest of the world that "we were good for it." Instead, by basically doing nothing about both the economic issues AND the virus, and allowing it to run rampant through the country, the rest of the world saw us for the shitshow we'd become, and that has caused some issues.
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It would be interesting to make a hybrid battery system. Like take the current storage space in a 300 mile Lithium battery car, and cut that down to maybe 150 miles to 200 miles worth of lithium ion battery. Then fill the rest of the space with Indium battery, giving it a range of maybe 50 miles or so on that battery. Why? Because this way, you should still have plenty of Li range to get around, most people would never have to charge outside their homes because 100mi+ per day is more than enough, but IF you run out of charge, you would be able to go to a charging station and be back on the road in minutes, rather than taking a longer time to charge.
This should ensure that you would be able to get back home with minimal wait times, which should negate a lot of the "range anxiety" drivers might have. It wouldn't make long range trips that much more practical, since you would end up having to hop from station to station a bit much for that, but ti should help to make the concept more comfortable for local driving.
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@blakethegreatone2058 There's also a 100% chance that gas prices will rise over time, as the cost of extracting it goes up and up, so if your argument is "energy prices will be higher in future," yes, they likely will be, but gas prices will always be higher.
As for the cost of the EV itself, I get that you've been told those things, but it's important to keep in mind that they aren't actually true. You can buy a brand new EV for less than the average cost of an ICE car, and you can get used ones for much less. Those prices will only go down over time.
Nobody needs a charging port to charge their car, you can plug it into a standard home outlet, which will be slower than if you get a dedicated port, but should provide plenty of charge per night for most daily drivers. Even if you do invest in a higher speed charging port, that's a fairly minor one time cost.
As for the cost of replacing batteries, unless you get into a major accident, your battery is rated for ten years, I have no idea where you got five, and even at ten years, it's not like a lead battery where after ten years and a day the car just won't turn on, the battery just gets less and less efficient over time, so at ten years and a day, your 300 mile battery might be a 275 or 250 mile battery. At 20 years it might be a 200 mile battery. It should continue to function at some level for 30+ years. If you absolutely require the maximum possible range, then you might have to trade it out occasionally, but you can sell the old one off to places that recycle them or re-use them for home storage, or use it for home storage yourself.
And that's keeping in mind that your average maintenance costs will be much lower over the life of the vehicle, since it has far fewer parts that break down than an ICE, no oil changes, engine overhauls, mufflers, etc. Over the life of the vehicle, you will spend a LOT less driving an EV.
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@blakethegreatone2058 Yes, on average EVs are more expensive, but that's because a lot of them are start-ups, so they pursue a luxury market first, build up some capital, and then spread out into the budget market. So of the cars being produced today, most of them are luxury cars, and relatively few of them are "budget" vehicles, but just because that is the case, you aren't obligated to buy a luxury EV if you typically buy an "average" car, and the fact remains that there ARE EVs on the market that are cheaper than the average ICE car, so if you are in the market for an "average" car, you CAN find an EV at that price. That's all that matters, from a consumer perspective.
And again, you do NOT need a special charging port for an EV, not in most US homes, at least. For example, an Ioniq 5 can charge to full in 58 hours on a level 1 charger. "But 58 hours is a long time!" Yeah, but that's from zero to full, that's 200 miles of charge. Do you drive 200 miles a day? If so, you probably would need a level 2 charger, which can charge the car in 5 hours, but MOST drivers do not drive 200 miles per day. If you only drive 100 miles per day, then it would take less than 24 hours, and if you drive 50 miles per day, it would take less than 12. Plenty of US drivers don't drive significant distanced every day, so they don't need more than that, but of course you do need to consider your own situation. In either case, setting up a level 2 charger is not a huge expense overall.
And again, you were wrong on the batteries, or at least were presenting a bad faith argument about them. The point is that while they do degrade over time, it's not an issue that most drivers will need to worry about, and those who do would be spending more cost fueling and maintaining their ICE vehicle than they would "replacing batteries." EVs are cheaper over the life of the vehicle.
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@blakethegreatone2058 Well of course the cheapest EV is more expensive than the cheapest gas vehicle. Who would expect otherwise? But I was talking about the average price, and you can find EVs that are lower than the AVERAGE new car price, which is $48K. There are plenty of EV models at below that price, you listed two of them yourself.
I was just pointing out that when you said the average EV price was higher, that was due to the average EV being a $100K+ luxury vehicle like a Rivian or higher end Tesla.
If you're in the market for a budget EV, you can get one used for under $10K. Right now, 2023, perhaps even that is outside of your budget, but prices will come down over time as newer models release and economy of scale factors into it. There used to be a time when the cost of the cheapest cars on the market would be the equivalent of hundreds of thousands in today's dollar. That changes as the market expands.
" Also, if you buy a used electric vehicle it will need much more work than a gas powered car to get it running. "
That's not remotely true. A used EV, on average, will require ZERO work to get going, you just get in and drive. EVs are much lower maintenance than an ICE car. If it's over ten years old and you absolutely require its maximum range, then you might need to replace the battery, and that would be expensive, but most drivers will not need to do that, so it's a moot point.
"and if I get the faster charger I do more damage to the batteries and will have to replace them sooner. "
Again, you exaggerate. Yes, faster charging will cause the battery to degrade faster, but YOU DON'T NEED TO REPLACE THE BATTERIES AS OFTEN AS YOU IMPLY. You just don't. That's not a thing. It's like saying that you need to completely replace the engine on an ICE car sometimes, which is true, but it's not an expense that most drivers will need to worry about. An EV that only charges off a level 1 charger might have a battery that lasts 20-30 years, while one that charges entirely off of level 2 chargers might last 15-25, but either will last "long enough" to get the full value out of that vehicle.
If you're so concerned about getting a level 2 charger, that is still only adding a couple thousand bucks to the cost of the car, which in the grand scheme of things is not a lot. If you are driving more than 27 miles per day, then you would make that up on gas savings in the first year alone.
Look, I get that right now, in 2023, EVs are not the right solution for everyone. I can't promise you that YOU getting an EV today would be the right choice for you. But we can at least agree that of the millions of drivers on the road, the EV would be the better choice for MOST of them today, right? The ones that don't have to drive massive distances every day, and that have the set-up to charge them efficiently overnight.
As for everyone else, that too will change over time. Within the next ten years, there will be EVs with longer ranges at more affordable prices, there will be more and more charging spaces anywhere you could possibly want one, and many of those could charge your car to full in minutes, just like a gas station. The overall costs will come down, the overall value will go up, and meanwhile ICE cars will just get more and more and more expensive to operate, as gas prices continue to rise.
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It's got character though! Still as it's a restaurant, if I owned that property, if I wanted to do some business, I would ask myself "what is this place worth 'in good times?'" If it's $40,000 a month or whatever, ok, that's the baseline. I would tell a customer, "you lease out this space right now, and you pay me, I don't know, $25,000 a month, even $15,000 a month, something fairly small but better than nothing, but something they could afford to keep up with, but that is contingent on the lockdown levels. It would go up as the restrictions lift, but I would lay out how and when it would go up in advance, and I would say that I'd cap the price at maybe $35K for at least five years, some amount less than the going rate, some deal like that, to say "you invest in this deal now? It'll work out to a good deal for you for a few years at least." I bet they could make more money that way than just leaving it vacant.
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@DREAMLANDSLEEEP The governors certainly know better how to handle their problems than THIS White House, but if there were an actual President in the White House, then the federal government would be able to do a better job of managing a national crisis than 50 independent governors.
For example, instead of each Governor having to compete to get medical supplies on the open market, bidding up the price against other states, an effective federal government would buy up all the medical supplies that the entire country needs, using defense appropriation rights to get them at minimal prices, and then use military supply chains to distribute them to the states as needed. This would be better for all governors than the current model, and many governors have been asking the Trump administration to do this for months.
It's unfair to compare the US to the EU, because the EU is a loose confederation, not a full country as the US is meant to be. They do have an extremely weak central government by design, and nobody expects the US federal government to behave as weakly as the EU's.
As for job losses, it's a necessary part of this. Better that they be unemployed than dead. The role of the Federal government should be in helping businesses and employees to stay financially stable over the course of this crisis, so that when the public is ready to open up again, they can pick up where they left off. The current administration is dropping the ball on this though, focusing more on big business and stock markets than on small businesses and employees. The House Dems have had to fight tooth and nail too get even modest provisions past the Senate, and even those the Trump administration is trying to cheat by firing oversight.
"Opening up the economy" would be a disaster, because those curves that have been flattening out over the past week or two would take right off again, and we'd be right back where we started. There can be NO "opening of the economy" until either A: there is a vaccine, or B: actual active cases of the virus have dropped into the tiny digits, and testing options are everywhere, such that if any one random person is found to be infested, they can immediately be isolated, and everyone they met tested and isolated, so that everyone else can go about their business without spread.
There is a VAST VAST difference between a responsible reaction to a crisis and a "fascist takeover." If a policeman tackles someone just for insulting him or something, that would be a fascist response. If a policeman tackles someone to prevent that person being shot or caught in an explosion, it's saving his life. Context is everything.
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@DREAMLANDSLEEEP Most of them, sure. But a lot of people DO die. over 30,000 Americans are already dead because of this, and this is just the START. Even if we stayed fairly locked-down, there will likely be 10-20K more dead by the end of this. If we did "open up" any time soon, that number would jump to hundreds of thousands. The early projections weren't wrong, they were just based on the assumption that we wouldn't lock down as successful as we have. If we failed that lock-down, the original projections would kick right back into effect.
And again, it is the government's job to PREVENT people "starving to death" during the crisis. This situation is like a medically-induced coma, you knock the patient out so that they can get over whatever their condition is, and then wake them back up. If you don't feed them intervenously during that, then yeah, they would die, and that would suck, which is why you don't do that.
So yes, we need the shutdown, and yes, it needs to keep going on, but also yes, while the shutdown is on, it is the government's responsibility to keep everyone fed and make sure that they don't get kicked out of their houses and basically keep the wheels running at their minimum levels, so that when we do open back up, everyone is alive and well and ready to do their jobs again, and those jobs are still there waiting for them.
It may be "bad for the economy" to keep in lockdown, but it's also "bad for the economy" to lose 100K+ Americans. Even if they did just "open things back up," the economy would be in the toilet for the next 18 months because any rational American would STAY in lockdown voluntarily, not going to theaters, sports, restaurants, etc., because they don't want to be one of those 1% that die, or to carry that disease to friends and relatives that might be one of those 1%.
We don't have a lockdown because of AIDS because AIDS is FAR less contagious. If you see someone on the street with AIDS, and you manage to not fuck them, then you'll be fine. Covid isn't super contagious, but it is plenty contagious, just being in the general area of someone who has it is plenty, so having a bunch of people hanging out together is bad news.
Admittedly I haven't been following EU news all that closely lately, but I seriously doubt that this will "set back the EU" any. EU countries are acting independently because that's how they are currently set up, but that's not a rejection of the idea of the EU, and might eventually lead to even closer bonds between them as they analyze what worked and what didn't about this crisis. It's quite possible that countries like Spain and Italy would have been in better shape if they'd had more direct intervention from other members of the EU.
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@DREAMLANDSLEEEP Again, it's the government's responsibility to not only enforce the shutdown, but also to make it tolerable. If they fail at either, they fail at both. We currently have an awful government, that's the fault of 2016 Bernie Bros, but we have to make do with what we've got, because none of the alternatives are good. Hopefully you live in a State that is at least trying to offset the awfulness of the Federal response.
Even if it all breaks down and people go out and get themselves killed in spite of the lockdown, spreading it out makes things better because it means the hospitals are not rushed. NY is in an OK place at the moment. They were on track to be in an awful place next week, but their measures slowed that down. If they stopped doing their thing today, they would be in that same awful place in a month or two, that's how this works. By slowing things down as best we can, we keep people from rushing the hospitals, leaving them better able to not only handle the incoming CV patients, but also handle normal medical issues like cancer and injury.
"You may think I'm selfish idiot, but I would rather die young and free than live long life of imprisonment."
Oh, don't be dramatic. Even worst case here we're talking a year or two of watching Netflix and eating delivery food, go ask Britain during the Blitz what hardship is like. More likely we can get the case load down to low enough levels that we can partially reopen within the next few months, but we can't jump the gun. It's like a house fire, you have to put out all the flames, because if you only put out a few and then move back in, they will just come back.
"So if most people would responsibly stay in voluntary lockdown why do we need the government to do it? "
Because the ones that wouldn't would still be a problem. They would still be getting sick, putting pressure on the system, carrying things around, etc. Etc's like how relatively small numbers of anti-vaxers can screw things up for everyone else. We live in a society.
"Also if most cases are asymptomatic and most people would get it and therefore gain some form of resistance, the assumed second wave would not be as impactful as the first. "
Depends on how it happens. If it happens six months from now after the virus has slowly spread through the community, maybe, but if it happens in one month because people rush to the streets again, it would be at least almost as bad as the first wave, because there would still be way more people who aren't immune than immune people.
" At this point herd immunity is in my opinion the best shot we have until there is vaccine which is not even 100% sure we ever will get one. "
And yet every country that tried a "herd immunity" response worked out fine. For about a month. And then they became a clusterfuck. Herd immunity is a good long term strategy, but you need to build it up carefully, not just "everyone get sick right now!" Also remember that we'd still be talking around 100,000 dead Americans taking that approach, maybe you, maybe your parents or grandparents. I'd rather not burn mine on a pyre just to get the economy going again.
Also, as far as vaccines, we're almost certain to get one, and we'll know that we have it relatively soon. The thing about vaccines is that the long part is not so much finding it, as testing it. We don't want a vaccine that totally works, but also totally kills 10% of people, and then rush that out the door, which is why they take a year or so to test. If there never is a vaccine, then sure, herd immunity will be the eventually result, but we still want to spread that out over the next year or so, so that the system can handle the process. Think of the country like a patient, if you give a cancer patient their entire cycle of chemo drugs all at once, they WILL die, which is why you spread it out over days or weeks, so their body can make the changes it needs to slowly. Whatever changes we make her, they can't be rushed, and doing so will just harm the patient.
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@DREAMLANDSLEEEP Well, fortunately for all of us, Trump has no authority to "open up America." He never even closed it in the first place, even though he should have. It's the governors that decide, and most of them don't plan on reopening until at least the middle of next month, if that. Now some idiot Red State governors will reopen (some haven't even closed things yet, even though their states are riddled with virus), and their states will suffer for that, but I'm lucky to not be in one, and at some point neighboring states can just close their borders and ride out the idiots. It's sad, but there's nothing we can do about it.
Also, there's nothing wrong with the WHO here. They've just been scapegoated by Trump and his lackeys because Trump is incapable of accepting responsibility for his own failures. It's possible that they could have done something a bit better here or there, but there was no malice or genuine incompetence there, and any failing they have were only a drop in the bucket compared to the failings of the Trump administration.
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@seancase71 Sigh. If what you said is right, then why is what Trump did even a crime? I mean, you could try to argue that he was innocent of the crime, but since he was actually found guilty of it, it had to have at least been a crime that exists, right? NOBODY is arguing that this was not a crime, there are only people arguing that he shouldn't have faced any consequences for doing it.
So, we're back to, REGARDLESS of what the bank does, it is illegal to miss-value your assets to the extent that he did. If the argument is that the bank would have been fine giving him the exact same loans had he been honest, then fine, but that is a reason why he should have been honest, not for why this isn't actually a big deal. Again, a crime "working out" does not make it not a crime, that is not how crimes work. If someone steals a car, gets the oil changed and gas tank filled, and puts it back without inconveniencing the owner in any way, that is still car theft.
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@seancase71 I meant nobody serious. Nobody that actually knows or cares about the law. The only people who say that it was not a crime are those who first and foremost want Trump to get off, so of course they might argue that it wasn't a crime, but nobody is doing that from any serious legal perspective, because it's as plain as black and white from the legal code that what he did is a crime.
Again, the best you can argue seriously is that it's a crime that maybe he should have been allowed to get away with, like speeding or jaw walking, if either of those crimes involved hundreds of millions of dollars. And read the second part anyway, there's a lot of good stuff in there, it might help your confusion.
And you keep asking about Mar-a-lago, that one only one of many properties in dispute here, my answer is that I'm no real estate agent, so I would defer to experts on that. The experts believe that he grossly overvalued his properties.
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@CatWithAHat2HD To be clear, I wasn't making any argument specific to German politics, and wouldn't know enough to get into specifics if I wanted to. I was just talking of parliamentary democracies in general, where, from what I've seen of recent history, if there are say 4-5 significant parties, then the frequent result is "largest party forms coalition with the 5% nutters on their fringe to reach 51%," rather than "largest party forms coalition with second largest party," or even "largest party forms coalition with smaller reasonable party that is closer to the other side of the aisle." I just feel like in a situation of less than a complete majority, the impulse should be to balance the political forces, rather than to grasp further outside of balance.
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@williamdozier5190 No, the rich do not already pay their fair share. The bottom 50% do pay their fair share, typically in the form of sales taxes and state taxes. They cannot afford to pay more than that because they can already barely make ends meet. The rich have no such problem, you could take away 99% of what they make and they would still have plenty to live off of. I am by no means suggesting that overall tax rates should be that high, but they could be without the rich being in as bad a place as the bottom 50%.
Nobody "worked and succeeded" on their own, everyone who succeeds in life does so on the back of the society around them, providing access to infrastructure and customers, access to education, and more often than not access to parents that foot the bill of their early life. Yes, some people who are rich have worked very hard in life, but plenty of people who are poor have worked much harder, so "hard work" is in no sense the determining factor there. No one is entitled to be as rich as the top 0.1%. No one.
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@DK-sc4gn The US began federal deficit spending in the 1700s. It's gone up and down, but it was always a factor. But you are right, every time Republicans get any amount of power, they leech the revenues that the Democrats established to pay for their programs, and the deficit balloons. One of the largest swings was when Clinton balanced the budget, and then Bush nuked it. They have dug us into quite the hole, but it's still better to tread water and maintain current levels of spending than to just stop swimming and drown.
Also, your description of the debt is confused with things like household debt. The US pays back debt EVERY DAY. That is how it works, it is a rolling process in which everyone who invested in America 5, 10, 20 years ago, gets payed back today, and then new debt is taken on to help pay for that. There is never any need to "pay off the debt," that is never a reasonable goal to have. It'd be nice, sure, but as you say, completely unrealistic, at least for many decades to come. The goal is just to keep the additions to the debt reasonable, and to make sure that they generate more growth than they do burden. Most companies work this way, mind you, they have remained in debt basically the entire time they have been in operation, up to hundreds of years, and it's fine, because they continue to pay off their debt obligations, and continue to grow as a company by spending that debt wisely.
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@db7213 Because in a capitalist system, those with capital have far more power to achieve their goals without it. Business owners have far more capability to enforce the wages they want, or hire someone else willing to take those wages, than employees are able to press for the wages they want. That isn't to say that there is never a fair balance between those concerns, but that is by far the exception to the rule.
In a democracy, it's one person, one vote, so a fairly constructed democracy has a core incentive to do what is best by the largest amount of people. In a system defined by capitalist motive, it's instead "one dollar, one vote," so those with more dollars get more of a say in what the outcome will be than those with fewer, and that does not tend to lead to favorable outcomes for those without.
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@stefanl5183 Beg all you like, it remains true. In a democratic system, candidates are at the end of the day beholden to voters. They can get away with some things, but at some point, they would lose elections for differing too far from what the public wants. Corporations, meanwhile, have no accountability to the public. Basically, a corrupt government representative may allow a company to get away with something that the public would not want, but if you removed that representative from the equation, then the company would just do that exact same thing without any chance of accountability, so while it is possible for corruption to exist within a government, it is less likely.
"Therein lies the fallacy! Who do you trust to conduct the "oversight and moderation"?"
A fair media, accurately informing the public, and a public that is capable of voting based on that information. Again, imperfect, just better than the alternatives.
"And who decides what a "net positive outcome for society" is or is not?"
The nature of reality. If more people are better off, better positioned on the hierarchy of needs, then that is a higher net positive.
"there's no guarantee they will make the best choices, "
There are never any guarantees, no perfect system exists, but, again, this is better than the alternatives, because it reduces the potential problems, and increases the potential checks against them. If you have police, there is potential that they will behave corruptly and cause harm, but that potential is lower than what would be caused if there was no accountability for criminals at all.
"Even if the one size fits all solutions they come up with benefit the majority, there will still be many who's liberty and freedom of choice will be taken away."
Such is the nature of society. It is impossible for large groups of people to all live "perfectly free" lives, because every person's action impacts those around them. Anyone who believes that they "live completely free" is either blind to the barriers around them, or is thoughtlessly oppressing others in the process.
In any society of more than a single individual, there must be some negotiation on what people are and are not allowed to do, and the challenge is coming up with the most effective and agreeable version of that.
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@thetruth7118 No, a birth disorder is something that happens as a part of the pregnancy, a chromosomal anomaly is genetic. And no, I wasn't saying that we should have whole new categories due to chromosomal anomalies, I was only pointing out that they exist, so there are some people who biologically are not exactly male or female. This is something entirely separate from gender and transgender people, however.
As for what the other genders are, again, it depends on the society in question. A gender is a role one plays in a society, so many societies choose to break down those roles based on traditional assumptions of sex, but others involve alternate roles outside of that binary. In the US, a "neutral" gender is generally accepted, neither man nor woman, and in other cultures, there are other distinctions, usually involving having some aspects that are generally associated with men, and others generally associated with women.
If that sounds complicated, that's fine, most of that is only really necessary from an anthropological standpoint, all MOST people need to understand is that a person's gender is not necessarily aligned with their sex, and that if they tell you that they are a certain gender, it is generally best to just accept that, rather than argue with them about it.
As to your later point, people started to better understand gender over the mid 20th century, and that understanding has become more and more complete over time, but the concepts have existed since humans have walked the Earth (not counting other animals). There have always been "traditional roles" that people select into, often along lines based in biological sex, and there have always been people that did not fit into that specific grouping.
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@Viking-Inquisitor Theoretically an animal could transition to another gender, humans are animals, and we can, but other species generally aren't considered to be sapient, so it would be unclear to us whether they had or not.
You would determine an animal's gender by paying attention to the role it plays among other animals, and whether it behaves like the typical male or female of their species.
There is no objective, universal definition of "femininity," that is defined interdependently in each culture. I mean, in some, wearing a skirt or dress would be considered "feminine," while in plenty of others, all men wear a skirt or dress. This is the whole point of "gender" being a social construct, it is about being a part of the social niche that feels right to you, even if it does not fit other people's expectations based on your body shape.
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@Viking-Inquisitor I don't think most pet owners ever know the gender of their pets. They just assume one, and that's what they call them, and that's basically fine, since as near as we can tell, the pets don't mind. If we were aware that pets did mind being misgendered, then of course any moral person would want to avoid doing so.
Well most animals are not capable of making biological changes based on gender, like humans can with surgery or hormone replacement, but they can behave in different ways. Remember, not all trans people choose to get surgeries, or even take hormones. they just behave in the way that makes them most comfortable. Other animals could do this as well, if they felt a need to do so.
I also don't think most animals care what gender other animals are. They have much more limited understanding of the world than humans do, even less than conservative humans do. I'm really not sure what the point of this discussion on animals is though.
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@davepx1 I sort of agree, although not completely. You do need a central executive to handle the big picture decisions and the snap decisions and to basically make sure things run smoothly, when a giant deliberative body is way too slow for that. Even for cabinet roles, it does help to have one person in charge, just in case. But it could still be that each role is picked by the body to fill that role, rather than just being a secondary choice by the executive they picked. Instead of voting for "Geoff and all his friends," you would be voting for Geoff, and then picking the other roles based on who you think would be best at them, even if they conflict in a lot of ways.
And I do think that civil servants should have a lot of power, but still, the whole point of democracy is that people vote for their representation, so if ultimately most of the real decisions got made by civil servants then the people wouldn't have much role in it. The voices at the top need to be directly responsible to the people, even if the civil servants are more capable. :D
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