Comments by "Z P" (@zachman5150) on "Leeja Miller"
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Correct. All men are born male and all women are born female with exactly ZERO exceptions and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or a costume.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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Why should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity matter at all, in areas designated by biological sex? There's no hate involved in recognizing that a male in women's clothes is a male in women's clothes. Get Real
The arguments just don't withstand scrutiny, because life is based in objective reality, and the trans imagination just doesn't override people's capacity for discernment.
A man believing he's a woman, doesn't make him one. Take your time to process reality, for a change.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it.
"It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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Holding one form of gender expression with a preference over another-- isn't the same as recognizing the difference between males and females, boys/men and girls/women, fact and fantasy, or truth over lies.
What they don't have is-- a reasonable expectation to occupy spaces and organizations designated, designed and implemented for females-- just because they make a subjective and unverifiable gender identity claim, doesn't change the fact that the areas they're obsessed with occupying, which are designed for, designated for, and implemented for females are done so based on biology-- Not feelings or socially constructed gender identities
The entire toxic notion of 'trans women' is a fictional metaphysical, unverifiable, subjective, and incoherent ideological talking point, and a counter-culture cult term, that is not based in objective reality, and forces it's religiosity on women, with no right nor rational justification whatsoever.
Can anyone make it make sense?
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You either can or can't articulate a coherent response to the scrutiny of your narratives and claims or you can't...
You think segregation of women and men's showers, prisons, locker rooms, changing rooms, restrooms, sports leagues/teams/divisions are based on subjective unverifiable gender identity claims or perhaps they're based on biology for a reason?
C'mon now... If, according to you-- genitals don't define gender, and gender and sex are separate, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature, using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're not a fairy princess because you identify as one, and dress in the costume.
Make it make sense
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@TransHippie Cope... 1st you denied any such reports exist, then I prove you wrong. Then you argue it says stuff it doesn't say, and I prove you wrong again. You should be embarrassed.
What it did show is: Among the findings:- About 64% of these offenders had committed a “CURRENT sexual offense,”
— 44% of the trans women convicts, ARE 'sex offenders'.
-- 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses, and -- About 94% committed their crimes while living as their biological sex.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences."
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
NO, those people aren't entitled to be anywhere near the girl's showers. Get Real
You've destroyed your own integrity and credibility by acting like a petulant brat, and failing to engage with questions which expose your narratives as nothing but incoherent unjustifiable nonsense
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@TransHippie I'm not wrong about the science. You are a science denier, spouting nonsense and conflating science-fiction, fantasy and pseudo-science with actual science, all the while-- having proven nothing you've claimed to be true, correct nor accurate, and have not proven anything I've written as incorrect whatsoever.
It's why your narratives are rejected as delusional madness, by those who aren't confused about reality or suffering from delusions.
Science has proven ALL mammals are of a binary sexual dichotomy categorized as male and female, and that state is fixed and permanent. Your issues with that are yours to have, but they don't change anything.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology... Trans is an anti-reality ideology though. If you could've, you'd have made your case a compelling one proving me wrong, but NOPE, not an ounce of credibility, or integrity from you or your claims.
I know the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow, just cope harder. You can dress and act however you like-- it doesn't make a trans woman a woman-- still a man, and your cosplay and LARP doesn't obligate anyone to affirm your delusions as though they're based in reality, because they're not.
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I don't accept the cult terminology, or the philosophical narrative's as valid. I think that those to whom you refer as trans, are either males w/ identity conflicts or females with identity conflicts, and the conflicts and anxiety about their gender doesn't change their gender
All men are born male, and all women are born female, and neither is a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume.
One's anxiety about their biology doesn't change anything about the reality of their biology being what it is, nor entitle them to the participation of everyone in society, pretending that they're something they're not, by granting them access to places and organizations established based on biology like the girl's shower.
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Nope... Subjective gender identities and gender roles are social constructs-- People are not.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
You/Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of your personality-- as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
You're wrong
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@TransHippie You spelled credible wrong. Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I didn't... You did, so I responded to your claim about decreases in assaults on trans people, by showing you the increase in assaults on women, who you seem to think are in no way in need of protecting from violent offenders, who by the vast majority are men-- including those who you refer to as trans women, where in Canada they released some stats about that and another interesting article which addresses it further stating, "In 2017, Trudeau government allowed inmates to transfer from men's to women's prisons based on their self-described gender identity.
Unbeknownst to many Canadians, such a policy is already standard practice in Canada ever since it was introduced by the Trudeau government in 2018 — and has indeed resulted in criminals with lengthy histories of sexual vi0lence against women being housed alongside female inmates.
The government of Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is facing down a major scandal over revelations that her government OK-ed the ability for transgender inmates to transfer to women’s prisons.
The policy soon resulted in several high-profile examples of women’s prison transfers being requested by transgender inmates incarcerated for s3xu@l violence against women. Most notably, this included Isla Bryson, a convicted grapist who attacked two women under the name Adam Graham before changing gender in prison.
“The last few days have exposed Nicola Sturgeon as being completely out of touch with public opinion,” Russell Findlay, Scotland’s shadow community safety minister, said this week.
And so, in a dramatic about-face this week, Sturgeon announced that transgender criminals with “any history” of violence against women could no longer transfer from a men’s to a women’s prison based on their gender self-identification."
You've been wrecked-- just stop the nonsense
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@TransHippie I see you typing, but as usual-- not saying anything substantive. I see You come across like a petulant late-teen trying to be edgy.
The problem your ideological narrative will continue to run up against and have no answer for, is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from your imagination, LARP and cosplay.
It's the trans community which insists that it be validated, affirmed, accepted with compassion by the rest of the majority-- SO, it's for them to make a compelling case, and so far EVERYTHING I've seen from you fails to persuade.
Good Job!! You're like the wrench in your own spokes, and it's the reason no one takes you seriously or treats you with respect.
Respect is earned not owed, and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
You come across like a petulant late-teen trying to be edgy. The problem is your comments are substance free and your ideological narratives are incoherent and to believe they're correct requires one to be intellectually bankrupt. They don't stand up to scrutiny, and you fail to persuade.
You have no rational rebuttal of anything. You're the only one who doesn't realize you're wrong. Dudes in a costume, dressed as women= Dude in a dress.
You're only fooling yourself
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Holding one form of gender expression with a preference over another-- isn't the same as recognizing the difference between males and females, boys/men and girls/women, fact and fantasy, or truth over lies.
What they don't have is-- a reasonable expectation to occupy spaces and organizations designated, designed and implemented for females-- just because they make a subjective and unverifiable gender identity claim, doesn't change the fact that the areas they're obsessed with occupying, which are designed for, designated for, and implemented for females are done so based on biology-- Not feelings or socially constructed gender identities
The entire toxic notion of 'trans women' is a fictional metaphysical, unverifiable, subjective, and incoherent ideological talking point, and a counter-culture cult term, that is not based in objective reality, and forces it's religiosity on women, with no right nor rational justification whatsoever.
Can anyone make it make sense?
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@TransHippie No, I'm not confused at all dude.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender- due to GD- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Now you know better
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@TransHippie Says the creepy dude who advocates for altering those of other people's children.
Why would anyone abandon their culture, traditions, societal norms, and laws in favor of embracing your fringe, cult, counter-culture world view-- which is antithetical to the societies and people which you detest, when you can't/won't/don't show why they should or would embrace an incompatible, and incoherent world view-- which you can't show is superior or an explanation showing it to be preferable.
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why nations have borders-- to maintain and distinguish their culture, traditions, societal norms, and laws from others.
Just sayin...
Your moral relativism means your moral claims aren't superior to anyone else's moral claims
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@TransHippie Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD delivers a good dose of truth, regarding so-called "gender-affirming care" during a recent U.S. House Committee hearing. She speaks clearly, as a medical professional and debunks the notion that sex is "assigned at birth", clarifying that it's established at conception, and observed and documented at birth, or before.
Dr. Grossman is board certified in child, adolescent, and adult psychiatry. The author of five books, her work has been translated into eleven languages. "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" is her most recent book that explains the widespread devastation caused by transgenderism.
Her medical practice focuses on gender-distressed young people and their parents. She believes that every child is born in the right body. Dr Grossman has been vocal about the capture of her profession by ideologues, leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents. She has testified in Congress and lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations.
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@TransHippie Prove it... because, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
It's the trans community which proclaims it's desire to integrate into society, and to achieve affirmation, validation, and acceptance.
Your interactions, snarky and obnoxious as they are, fail to motivate the very people with whom the trans community says it wishes to integrate, and they certainly fail to persuade.
Not only have you failed to make a case in the face of scrutiny, you've failed to prove anything I've written is inaccurate or incorrect.
Congratulations!!! You played yourself. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder. The world isn't your therapist, and doesn't owe you participation in the LARP or cosplay
If as you believe, gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex as their blueprint for how they present themselves???
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Your subjective gender identity doesn't make anyone a man or a woman-- it's biology.
Incoherent, obsessive cult arguments promoting that they do-- are invalid, and change nothing.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of your personality-- as well, they want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@TransHippie No, gender is not an internal experience. The other things you listed, like masculinity/femininity/body language (Personality and Temperament), Fashion, voice (Neither are gender exclusive)
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
You're wrong
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@LucasZiats I posted the definition which is literally posted right above your post.
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (Biology) with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females is society), and again w/ personality traits (Neither of which are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), as though they're synonymous-- and they're Not
Also, there was a study showing the brain scan results of trans men vs cis women and the results were identical, showing no differences, indicating your conclusion is valid-- quite the contrary.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
The activists want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@TransHippie The saddest part is, You just pretend that your incoherent ideological narratives are valid, and that everyone owes you their participation in the LARP and cosplay in your woman-face, wearing a dress and prancing around as though you're justifiably entitled to their acceptance-- because you're a self-entitled and narcissistic individual who cares nothing for women, as you advocate to infiltrate their private spaces and organizations, and if they don't like it tough-- they need to just shut up and take it. Uh huh
Yours are the slurs of he who's desperate, because you've lost the debate, unable to articulate a civilized, rational, well-reasoned credible response to the scrutiny of his narratives, so you instead resort to casting very unlady-like aspersions, and virtue signaling a victimized status. The problem with your virtue signaling is the absence of any actual virtue in your narratives or your conduct.
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@TransHippie Yes... You haven't answered anything in the here and now where it counts, or anywhere else. Save it, you've already proven to me that you're FOS
Bottom Line: I don't find your focus or arguments persuasive, nor compelling because I'm not confused about reality.
If genitals don't define gender, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
A woman isn't a social construct, so saying 'gender identity' (Which is a social construct) is separate from biology or saying trans women are women, in response to the question "how do you figure trans women are women being that all women are born female (A biological status)?", is just intellectually bankrupt.
Trans women are not women. They're dudes by another name, pretending that they're women... Still men
sux2bu You're dismissed
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Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
The biological characteristics are the determining factor, when discussing the fact that males, regardless of their gender identity claims, are not entitled to occupy areas and organizations segregated for females, which are based on biology, not feelings.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
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@TransHippie There are limits to human liberty and males aren't at liberty to invalidate the rights of females to have spaces designed for, designated for and implemented for females based on their biology, under law.
Who are you trying to convince?
You've proven to be ill equipped to prove anything I've written is incorrect, and you've definitely failed to be persuasive with your impotent, if not conspicuously absent rebuttal arguments against my scrutiny of your narratives.
I note that you seem to want to paint a twisted narrative, true only in the land of make believe.
You avoid providing a good faith answer to justify your expectations of existing societies to accept, affirm and validate your world view as worthy of adopting as a superior and preferable alternative-- to the already currently existing cultures you detest and seek to restructure.
You fail to provide the motivation for anyone to accept your fringe, cult, outcast nonsense.
You've got nothing... Just whining, gaslighting, projection and cope while facing the rejection of your unpersuasive rhetoric.
You come across like a whiney petulant late teen trying to be edgy and desperately failing miserably to be relevant. You operate like a brown shirt provocateur antagonist who's only goal is to sow seeds of discord. Makes you a horrible individual
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@TransHippie How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
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@markus10X How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? 🦗🦗🦗
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Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
A dude in a dress, who's chosen to surgically alter his anatomy, is still a dude-- He's just a dude who's chosen to remove himself from the gene pool, and have properly functioning organs rendered no longer functioning.
They're only kidding themselves when they don't acknowledge that the trans activist narratives include the notion that a trans woman is a woman, is objectively just false/wrong.
The problem with the trans activist's narratives are that life is based in objective reality, and the vast majority of people don't have difficulty deciphering the differences between reality and the trans imagination, and they aren't willing to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality
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@dariocarraresi1823 I did. If you didn't comprehend the answer, that's a You problem.
It's the trans community which proclaims it's desire to integrate into society, and to achieve affirmation, validation, and acceptance.
Your interactions, snarky and obnoxious as they are, fail to motivate the very people with whom the trans community says it wishes to integrate, and they certainly fail to persuade.
Congratulations!!! You played yourself
You're triggered and seeking attention because you Don't care about what I think right? Uh huh-- Get a friend
If as you believe, gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex as their blueprint for how they present themselves???
No, sorry not sorry. The cult narratives are incoherent madness.
The main problem that the trans activist ideological narratives have is that life is based in objective reality and most don't have difficulty deciphering the difference between reality and the trans imagination.
You're only fooling yourself, if you don't acknowledge the trans activists saying trans women are women. They're dudes with issues, prancing around as though they're women without issues-- Still men.
ALL women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or costume. A dude with a psych issue who believes he's a woman, is still a dude.
That just how it is. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder... You're only fooling yourselves and you aren't persuading me, so you ought to move on
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@peomaster6914 LOL... Wrong. Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@TransHippie Ahh, you're going to pretend I didn't cover this for you already... Okay, Gender is established at conception, and observed at birth or before. No, gender is not an internal experience. Masculinity/femininity/body language (Personality and Temperament), Fashion, voice (Neither are gender exclusive).
Neither your demeanor, nor your internal feelings are what define your gender nor do they make you a woman or a man-- it's your biology
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender- due to GD- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
You/They haven't put forth any reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@literallyinflames This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" are referring to subjective gender identity claims is demonstrably false dude, and carries all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of their personality-- as well.
They want to create more boxes to put people in, as they won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe they need this "freedom of expression", to broadcast what the sexist stereotypes they feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more "authentic" than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, how and what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@TransHippie — The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women). Whether they went further down the lunatic trail and transitioned doesn't make your case that trans people are justified to be treated as though they're the sex they identify as, disconnected with objective reality, and it doesn't define what transitioned means (Full top and bottom surgery, or just feeling like identifying like a fairy princess in the moment is unclear)
I would argue that the 94% stat is inaccurate, as humans are ALWAYS their biological sex 100% of the time, and the term transitioned doesn't change that. Clearly, since 64% of these offenders had committed a “CURRENT sexual offense,”-- they didn't have bottom surgery. They're dudes with psych issues alright.
You've destroyed your own integrity and credibility by acting like a petulant brat, and failing to engage with questions which expose your narratives as nothing but incoherent unjustifiable nonsense.
Rejected as invalid, and unacceptable. Women have rights
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@TransHippie About that... I know, the truth of reality crushes your radical activist gender ideological narratives, and it triggers your TDS (trump Derangement Syndrome), making you lose your intellectual faculties even further far gone than they already are. ❄🤡
The Special Olympics exists for a reason. Perhaps that's your solution. 🤔Make a trans division in the Special Olympics, and your problem's solved, on the sports front.
Regarding assimilating into the society you find yourself choosing to reside in, just remember it's not on them to deny or change their culture, social norms, traditions, or laws for your validation, because you think you're entitled to their submission, acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Newsflash: You're Not
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why sovereign nation have borders
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@dariocarraresi1823 You have preexisting unanswered questions, which I've posed to you which you've in a cowardly fashion, avoided answering like the plague, because they expose the absurdity of your ideological narratives and bad faith interactions, and in no way provide you any moral ground to stand on and complain when you get what you give.
The problem you have with your virtue signaling, is the total absence of any actual virtue in any of your unproven, unhinged rants or whinging.
How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? Well?? ANYTHING to justify it?
What DO they do, to justify being treated as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? Answer: Not a thing
Seethe if you must, then remember-- I don't care about your incoherent and inane sophistry or opinions. I've rejected the notion that men should ever be treated as though they're women. Rationalize it in whatever way you like. I don't care. You fail to persuade, or justify why they ought to be.
Well??? Make your case a good one, or the expectation that you ought to be taken seriously and consider your arguments valid just don't exist. Ready? GO!!!
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@dariocarraresi1823 "How do you figure trans women are women..." - Their gender identity. Women aren't a social construct. That's not an answer
"You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification..." - Words can have more than just one definition. --In this case there isn't. All women are born female.
"The justification for separating men and women in prison..." - Most of your justifications are bull and should be eliminated. For example, pro-trans policies decrease the rates of physical/sexual assaults; anti-trans policies increase them. That's a good reason to allow trans women in women's prisons. I asked you for evidence re: that BS claim of yours, and you ran like a coward, providing none. Got anything yet? (Pro trans policies are to blame for female inmates being assaulted and impregnated). Couldn't have happened otherwise. Good thinking 😵😵💫🤕🤒🙄
"Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy?" - "Right to privacy" doesn't extend to "kicking out people you don't like from public spaces, or from spaces that are privately owned by other people". YES, it does, when they're in places they're not authorized to be
"Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces..." - Strawman. Nobody is trying to eliminate women's private spaces. You just did with your previous comment re: prisons. You're FOS
"Why should everyone pretend that a man is..." - Nobody is asking you to pretend that people with XY chromosomes have XX chromosomes. Another strawman. You use it as an excuse to infiltrate women's only spaces, so AGAIN, you're FOS
"What DO they do, to justify being treated as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex?" - Your sex segregation is bull, and is not a valid argument for anything.
You've failed to prove anything you've written. Got anything yet?
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@TransHippie Fun Facts: Words have meanings and for all of history, the words man and woman have referred to biological human beings. All women are human, and born female and represent 1 half of the binary sexual dichotomy of all mammalian species, the other being male.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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@TransHippie No, however-- I do have contempt for liars, and intellectually vacant ideological cult claims, which I see as nothing more than propaganda that can't be justified when scrutinized (That includes those horrible uncontrolled survey's you refer to, which don't rise to the level of actual science, but more closely resembles science-fiction and pseudo-science), and NONE of the trans advocates accepting your claims as accurate, seem to be capable or willing to address the peer reviewed medical studies I referred to, which challenge your survey's conclusions and claims.
You have failed to make your case stand up to scrutiny, and say I'm irrational, despite numerous posts making my case by citing my reasoning, and debunking your claims in the process.
You advocate adult entertainment as appropriate for children.
You advocate encroaching on women's privacy rights-- and call my lifestyle choice vile and question my morality. People like you, who live in glass snow globes, shouldn't throw stones.
Here's the thing-- I'm neither seeking your affirmation, nor acceptance to establish validation for who I am, and neither is the rest of the majority of the world. THAT would be YOU, doing that and getting triggered whenever someone identifies as someone who doesn't have to participate in your cosplay and LARP, as though it's based in reality.
I'm not judging you. I am however, discerning and challenging the validity of your claims, and no one on the pro trans activist side (including you) seems able to handle discussing it openly or with integrity.
Your entire world view is based in moral relativism, so I really don't care about your thoughts about my morality either, as you have nothing justifying your positions on morality as being valid.
I comment here, to see if I can find any signs of integrity among those of you who subscribe to and advocate your cult claims, to answer my challenges, or questions and so far-- NOPE, not one.
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All women are born female, and as it has been pointed out-- the trans activists insist that gender identity and sex are separate, so can anyone justify encroaching on things separated based on sex, as an entitlement, or reason why things segregated based on sex like showers, locker rooms, sports, sports teams and prisons should not be segregated based on sex?
While we're at it, is ANYONE able to justify the expectation that just because someone presents and identifies in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must then agree to and be obligated to treat them as though they're the opposite sex?
Looking forward to seeing if anyone can justify why those expectations should be taken seriously, by anyone
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@phaneros8180 Not an answer for Why should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity matter at all, in areas designated by biological sex?
Recognizing people for what they are isn't an attack. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way, shape, or form existing as themselves, or somehow more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Well, but how are they supposedly mixing up 'gender identity', 'gender roles', 'biological sex', and 'masculine/feminine' behavior?
The 1st thing I would point out is, it's grammatically incorrect/absurd, to use 'they' and 'them' when referring to an individual, as 'they' and 'them' are plural, not singular.
Also, you wouldn't use pronouns when speaking to someone in the 1st person, you'd use their names.
Also, you can't change your sex/gender. That's established at conception
I don't get it...
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, but what are they mixing up 'gender identity' with? Please define 'Gender identity'
Gender and Sex are from the Latin and are defined, and refer to biology, and one of the synonyms for sex is gender.
What are they mixing up 'Gender Roles' with? Please, define 'Gender Roles'
Gender Roles are social constructs which refer to the roles of males and females in society
What are they mixing up 'Biological Sex' with? All men are born male, all women are born female and regardless of their wardrobe, tendencies, preferences, personalities, or belief systems-- That state is fixed and permanent.
Why would anyone think they would have a say about the language others choose to use, while not in their presence. ex. If they think you're a jerk, are you saying they (even in a private conversation, and not in your presence) shouldn't be allowed to say so, too?
You think they believe using plural pronouns for single individuals, is going to induce a mental disorder causing a desire to mutilate their bodies their biology? Why do you believe they think that? If it did motivate that, seems like there are some massive psych issues going on in the 1st place, to consider such self-mutil@tion.
Why would a rational person expect others to use grammatically incorrect language?
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@martind2520 Just saying 'trans women are women' doesn't make it reality. Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong
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@dariocarraresi1823 Well, the English language has been well-established and well-defined, including pronouns of which the appropriate grammatically correct pronouns for a male (adult or minor) are he/him/his. Men ARE adult, human males-- so you can choose to call yourself a helicopter, but it doesn't alter your nature, as a male/man being your physical description. What's the problem/confusion??
If you're born with a vagina, you ARE a female. If you're an adult female, then you ARE a woman. What's the confusion? It's a primary biological sex characteristic of all female mammals-- including humans, not slur, a suggestion, preference, personality, or anything else.
Gay men aren't trans, and they're not attracted to vaginas by definition as I understand it, and they don't seem to have difficulty deciphering the differences between males and females. Why do the trans community seemed so confused about it??
Your problem is, words already in use, have long established meanings.
Another problem you have is you don't seem to recognize that personality traits and temperament aren't gender exclusive. (There are a ton and none alter your gender)
If you're a male identifying as a 'she', you're incorrectly using the language, and you're lying, portraying yourself as a caricature of a woman by mimicking her primary physical attributes, doesn't make a male a female. The definitions already exist
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@dariocarraresi1823 I've addressed every point you brought up, and debunked your every assertion. Are YOU capable of answering my questions? I'll repost it, for you
The English language has been well-established and well-defined, including pronouns of which the appropriate grammatically correct pronouns for a male (adult or minor) are he/him/his. Men ARE adult, human males-- so you can choose to call yourself a helicopter, but it doesn't alter your nature, as a male/man being your physical description. What's the problem/confusion?? How is that insane?
If you're born with a vagina, you ARE a female. If you're an adult female, then you ARE a woman. What's the confusion? It's a primary biological sex characteristic of all female mammals-- including humans, not slur, a suggestion, preference, personality, or anything else. How is that insane?
Gay men aren't trans, and they're not attracted to vaginas by definition as I understand it, and they don't seem to have difficulty deciphering the differences between males and females. Why do the trans community seemed so confused about it?? How is that insane?
Your problem is, words already in use, have long established meanings.
Another problem you have is you don't seem to recognize that personality traits and temperament aren't gender exclusive. (There are a ton and none alter your gender) How is acknowledging that insane?
If you're a male identifying as a 'she', you're incorrectly using the language, and you're lying, portraying yourself as a caricature of a woman by mimicking her primary physical attributes, doesn't make a male a female. The definitions already exist, so how is using grammar properly, insane??
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, they correctly note that those who you refer to as trans women-- are men, and their desire to be women is irrelevant. They also correctly note that men don't have vaginas-- whether they want them or not is irrelevant.
Cite the source of the stat you refer to re: 50% of trans women seek any form of medical transition, and the percentage who wants genital surgery is WAY smaller.
All people are human and part of the binary sexual dichotomy regardless of their appearance or feelings about their sexual biology.
Your framing of the narrative re: drag queens/dudes presenting as the sexual stereotypical caricature of women being predators and wanting to be women is intellectually disingenuous and false. Their feelings about not being women are irrelevant-- they're simply not women, and neither are any other males-- regardless of their feelings or attire.
Re: your narrative about gay men (or straight men for all that matter)-- they simply note their sexual preferences don't alter their gender/sex.
Re: your narrative that 'cis gay men would eventually become trans women'-- wrong again, you're horrible at this. I've already point out to you that ALL men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality, nor a costume, making the cis/trans distinction entirely useless and intellectually vacant.
So, there you are-- and YOU still haven't debunked anything I've clarified for you and corrected you on your incorrect conclusions about your claims.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started. A man performing as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your 'because you said so' arguments can't escape.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “Sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder
You/They haven't put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Your incoherent rants and claims of legitimacy, are figments of your imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@dariocarraresi1823 A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
There are no trans people. All people are male or female, respectively- and neither are a social construct, feeling, preference, fetish or a costume.
All men are born male, all women are born female and one cannot become the other. Psych issues don't transform males into females or vice versa, and neither do costumes or plastic surgery.
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing.
You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress is still a dude, regardless of his desire to be a woman-- he's not and can't ever be, is the point they can't ever escape.
There's no hatred involved in recognizing that a man in a dress is a man. That's just an observation of a fact.
The only "ableism" being shown is yours, by affirming the delusions of the emotionally, mentally and spiritually impaired-- as being based in reality and therefore valid.
So you say... However; No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality, his biology or wishing it were different is anything other than a man. Got Anything??? Answer: No, you don't
You have put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and you're the one seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in your larp and cosplay, based on the belief that your subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Seethe if you must, then cope harder-- because I don't care how you feel about the reality the majority of the world is not interested in participating in your LARP and cosplay, or entertaining your ideological gibberish, because they aren't confused about the differences between reality and your imagination and recognize you hedonistic world view for what it is.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The thing is, it was proven that:
1. Up to 90% desist and turn out gay without affirmation-based treatment
2. That puts them in the self delete rate of around 4% vs 40%+ with GAC, making me wonder how anyone can argue that affirmation-based treatment protocols are appropriate or justified in any way whatsoever, let alone 'necessary'.
No one has proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man. Got anything???
Feel free to post the medical counter to the following, which proves these to be incorrect:
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
”A study from researchers in the Netherlands found that nearly two-thirds of children who had wished that they belonged to the opposite sex as adolescents ultimately became comfortable with their biological sex in early adulthood.
The 15-year study, which was conducted by researchers at the Netherlands’ University of Groningen, tracked the gender unhappiness rates of 2,772 study participants from ages 11 through 26.”
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40% (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
”All-cause and suicide mortalities among adolescents and young adults who contacted specialised gender identity services in Finland in 1996–2019: a register study “
They found zero significant difference in mental health while taking hormones or blockers
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
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@dariocarraresi1823 LOL Bottom line: The strongest men are stronger than the strongest women. Eliminating the segregation of men's and women's sports, means the end of women's sports (Tennis, Weight lifting, Wrestling, Running, etc...) NO chance for women to get in the running against the most competitively athletic of men competing, so they came up with women's divisions-- DUH.
2nd claim, Yes- you did. You said, "the latter pushes out trans and intersex athletes for no valid reason" Those dudes are free to try out against all the other dudes competing. They're not women.
"Empowering girls and women through athletics is a core value of the IAAF and the sport and sits at the heart of what all of us in athletics believe the sport can offer to participants and to the world. Because of the effect of testosterone on the body from puberty onwards, men are bigger, stronger and faster on average than women. That is why the female classification is 'protected', and why individuals who identify as female but have a certain difference of sex development (DSD) (which means that they have the same advantages over women as men do over women) can pose a challenge to that protected category. This is why we introduced the eligibility regulation and why it must be defended: to ensure fair competition for all women."
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@penguingalorigin6341 Why do you believe that? It's demonstrably false. Both terms sex and gender originate from the Latin words Genus (meaning "Begin", "Birth", "Kind", "Race", "Gender") and sexus (meaning "sex", "Division", "Gender")
The only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
If sex and gender are truly independent, then why do trans men and trans women go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics??? They’re not trying to change their gender by your definition, they’re trying to change sex…. They can't make it make sense. It's incoherent m@dn3ss
What do the words 'gender' and 'dysphoria' in the term 'gender dysphoria' refer to, according to you?
btw-- 'Intersex does not violate the binary'-- go look it up, and read it for more clarity on the topic
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Gender, (there are 2 male, and female) that's it, refers to the sex assigned at birth and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories which are fixed and permanent.
Then, they conflate gender and personality. Then, they conflate gender and gender roles. Then they conflate gender with sexual preference. Then, they conflate males with females, fact with fiction and men with women.
A woman isn't a personality, a social construct, a feeling, or a costume that a man can just put on or take off-- She's an adult, human, female. As it turns out, there's a prerequisite to being a woman-- and that's being born female, making 'cis' entirely irrelevant and useless.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Then, why are they joining women's only sports teams??? Don't be an idiot.
You and trans hippie better get your stories straight, because he insists trans women are women, and if he isn't treated like one he gets triggered if you don't use his preferred female pronouns, and let him encroach in places designated for women only.
The question still stands unanswered-- What business do they have expecting to encroach on women's sports or private spaces segregated by sex, like prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, bathrooms, if Trans people don't have the expectation to be treated as the opposite sex?
You can't, won't, and don't justify it, so have no reasonable expectation of acceptance, affirmation or validation, and it's why you're dismissed.
Do Better
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@dariocarraresi1823 Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively. The truth is, you're wrong and you hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving your claims false, and it upsets you that we don't buy your narratives. Your addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and your inability to prove us wrong haunts you
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is an performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about appealing to you for Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, and cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at your 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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Don't conflate gender (physical descriptor) with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females without exception), personality traits and temperament (Neither of which are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous, like Hippie does-- that's a massive error causing lots of confusion.
Seems like Hippie (The resident propaganda troll) views conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That's just weird
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it, or socially constructed gender identity claims.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them, because they're socially stunted and emotionally unstable.
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@TransHippie Seething and triggered with ZERO integrity are a terrible look for you. Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder
You/They haven't put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Your incoherent rants and claims of legitimacy, are figments of your imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@TransHippie I notice your inability to engage with the scrutiny of your narratives in good faith or with any rational, logical or coherent replies.
You have a right to exist, and dress in a quirky fashion, and to choose a gay life style. It doesn't entitle you to be in the girl's showers or any other women's only spaces.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a male in a dress is a male in a dress... That's just being observant
Your hyperbolic rhetoric, and anti-social personality is evident in your extensive post history calling everyone who asks you to justify your expectations that everyone in society is required to participate in your treatment plan, fa$cists, __ phobes, Not C's, etc... You know, the stuff most find unacceptable, while you appeal for acceptance and validation.
Not a winning strategy making any kind of persuasive case for you or your incoherent narratives-- none of which withstand the scrutiny of your claims, imo
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@dariocarraresi1823 And of those males, it doesn't justify a male in a woman's only space. Those aren't designated as such, based on socially constructed gender identity claims.
You're not a fairy princess because you identify as one, and dress in the costume.
Those males for example, who don't have a gender dysphoria diagnosis, but just like dressing like a drag queen, or making a socially constructed gender identity claim that they identify as a woman aren't justified to occupy women's only spaces either, as those spaces are designated as such based on sex, not gender or gender identity claims.
As discussed in the other thread, a reduction in gender dysphoria still shows according to Conclusions from "Risk of Su*c*de and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery" 4/2024
"The results of this study indicate that patients who have undergone gender affirmation surgery are associated with significantly higher risks of su*c*de, self-harm, and PTSD compared to general population control groups in this real-world database. With su*c*de being one of the most common causes of d3ath for adolescent and middle-aged individuals, it is clear that we must work to prevent these unfortunate outcomes. This further reinforces the need for comprehensive psychiatric care in the years that follow gender-affirmation surgery."
Doesn't look like acceptable, efficacious results to me
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People aren't social constructs. All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality or a costume
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@tadonplane8265 First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean???
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic.
First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”, I will now provide four arguments that “intersex” does not violate the sex binary. cais (intersex deformity) comes along with hermaphroditism btw
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
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@HeathenGranny Evidence??
You either can or can't articulate a coherent response to the scrutiny of your narratives and claims or you can't... If you can't, won't or don't-- the expectation that anyone accepts, affirms or validates your ideology as valid is unlikely at Best... So, Got anything of substance to contribute???
You think segregation of women and men's showers, prisons, locker rooms, changing rooms, restrooms, sports leagues/teams/divisions are based on subjective unverifiable gender identity claims or perhaps they're based on biology for a reason?
C'mon now... If, according to you-- genitals don't define gender, and gender and sex are separate, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature, using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're not a fairy princess because you identify as one, and dress in the costume.
Make it make sense
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@TransHippie Not much of a refutation or rebuttal from the obsessive trans activist troll. Ignore him
Your lies and deceit are numerous and noted. There are no trans people. All people are male and female, and their subjective sense of self and gender identity doesn't change that, and neither does their plastic surgery, fashion preferences, personality traits nor temperament, nor psych disorders nor redefining terms.
You can rename an apple 'Orange', and it won't alter the nature of an apple or an orange, and the same is true re: renaming a man 'trans woman'... Still a man
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
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@TransHippie *Violence Erupts: Transgender Assault Highlights Growing Crisis in Women's Shelters*
"In a shocking incident that underscores the growing dangers faced by women in shelters, a transgender individual is alleged to have attacked a staff member with a sword, leaving the victim severely injured and raising serious questions about safety protocols in facilities designated for women.
The attack took place at Shepherd's Gate, a women’s emergency shelter in Greenville, South Carolina, where Michelle Silva Perez, a biological male claiming to be female, reportedly turned violent after being evicted for breaking shelter rules.
Gruesome details of the assault emerged, revealing that the victim, identified only as "Kirby," underwent emergency surgery for life-threatening injuries, including exposed organs due to the attack. This incident has sent shockwaves through the community and highlights a critical issue facing shelters that cater to women."
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Holding one form of gender expression with a preference over another-- isn't the same as recognizing the difference between males and females, boys/men and girls/women, fact and fantasy, or truth over lies.
What I haven't seen is-- a reasonable expectation for suggesting that males who have a gender dysphoria diagnosis, or who don't, and just like identifying as trans or who like to dress as cross dressers to occupy spaces and organizations designated, designed and implemented for females-- just because they make a socially constructed gender identity claim.
It doesn't change the fact that the areas they're obsessed with occupying, which are designed for, designated for, and implemented for females are done so based on biology-- Not feelings or socially constructed gender identities, or claims
The entire toxic notion of 'trans women' is a fictional metaphysical, unverifiable, subjective, and incoherent ideological talking point, and a counter-culture cult term, that is not based in objective reality, and forces it's religiosity on women, with no right nor rational justification whatsoever.
Can anyone make it make sense?
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Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why nations have borders.
You still haven't justified the expectation that the people and countries which you are seeking to integrate with (despite the fact that you detest their legal and moral foundation), owe you their participation in your counter-culture, fantasy gender role-play/cosplay/LARP, or have somehow have any sort of obligation or duty to abandon their cultures, traditions, established social/societal norms, or to greet and interact with you granting acceptance, affirmation, tolerance or validation of your fringe cult narratives-- when you can't, won't and don't address the scrutiny of your narratives, AND (btw, until you do), it's not rational, logical nor reasonable to expect that they do/would or should, especially when the radical, toxic, extremist ideologues and activists go out of your way to be agitators, making a ridiculous spectacle of themselves.
The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any actual virtue, or integrity in any of your unhinged and virtue-free whinging. Your moral relativist worldview is built on quicksand and is not superior in any way, to anyone else's, and you've failed to illustrate how is would should or could be preferable-- when you run like a cow@rd from engaging with the scrutiny of your narratives, in good faith and with integrity.
You've lost the plot
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The reported reduction in gender dysphoria can't be reconciled with the self delete rates of clearly unstable individuals, being so much higher than the reported regret rates, as happy, well-adjusted people don't tend to self delete.
The Williams Institute
"More than 40% of transgender adults in the US have attempted su*c*de
A new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law finds that 81% of transgender adults in the U.S. have thought about su*c*de, 42% of transgender adults have attempted it, and 56% have engaged in non-su*c*dal self-injury over their lifetimes.
While transgender and cisgender adults reported similar rates of hazardous drinking and problematic drug use, transgender people were significantly more likely to experience poor mental health during their lifetimes. Compared to cisgender adults, transgender adults were seven times more likely to contemplate su*c*de, four times more likely to attempt it, and eight times more likely to engage in non-su*c*dal self-injury.
Notably, transgender nonbinary adults reported higher rates of harmful substance use and poor mental health than transgender men and women.
“The rates of su*c*dal ideation and self-injury among transgender people are alarming—particularly for transgender nonbinary adults,” said study author Ilan H. Meyer, Distinguished Senior Scholar of Public Policy at the Williams Institute.
Conclusions from "Risk of Su*c*de and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery" 4/2024
"The results of this study indicate that patients who have undergone gender affirmation surgery are associated with significantly higher risks of su*c*de, self-harm, and PTSD compared to general population control groups in this real-world database. With su*c*de being one of the most common causes of d3ath for adolescent and middle-aged individuals, it is clear that we must work to prevent these unfortunate outcomes. This further reinforces the need for comprehensive psychiatric care in the years that follow gender-affirmation surgery."
Doesn't look like acceptable, efficacious results to me
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@ruisantos8070 And what of showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarship opportunities, job opportunities, women's prisons?
Not buying it. You guys keep conflating gender/sex and gender roles every time it suits you. If it were separate, why should "trans women" have access to spaces and things that are based on SEX (i.e. public bathrooms, showers, dressing rooms, shelters, prisons, sport teams and categories)??
Why conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous, when they aren't??
Why some "trans women" insist they have periods when this is a biological function stemming from sex organs they don't have; why they take cross-sex hormones and do surgeries to look like the other sex-- if these things are separate; why do so many trans activists insist that "gender/sex is a spectrum"?
Why do they care what sex is, if these two things are separate; why many of them claim they are now the other sex (female or male, which are categories of sex)?
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@TransHippie You said gender identity and sex were separate, so Justify encroaching on women's only spaces (locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, prisons, etc.), segregated based on sex-- as an entitlement, because, You haven't even come close yet.
Justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex, or quit your whining. You haven't come close yet
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@cccbbbccc5910 I've been arguing with and exposing a bunch of radical ideologues and their incoherent narratives as invalid--
Why would anyone abandon their culture, traditions, societal norms, and laws in favor of embracing your fringe, cult, counter-culture world view-- which is antithetical to the societies and people which you detest, when you can't/won't/don't show why they should or would embrace an incompatible, and incoherent world view which you can't show is superior or an explanation showing it to be preferable.
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why nations have borders-- to maintain and distinguish their culture, traditions, societal norms, and laws from others.
Just sayin...
Their moral relativism means their moral claims aren't superior to anyone else's moral claims
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@dariocarraresi1823 • In Brazil, 6-foot-4 Tiffany Abreu became the first male-to-female transgender athlete to play in the Brazilian Women’s Volleyball Superliga in 2017, five years after she retired from an international volleyball career as a male.
• Rachel McKinnon, a 6-foot-2, 200-pound biological male, won a gold medal at the 2018 Masters World Track Cycling World Championship in Los Angeles.
• Nattaphon Wangyot, a biological male, placed fifth and third in the 100- and 200-meter dashes, respectively, in the 2016 Alaska state high school track championships, outraging athletes and parents. Since the Alaska School Activities Association had no transgender sports policy, Wangyot was allowed to compete against the girls without undergoing hormone therapy.
• Fallon Fox, another male-to-female transgender athlete, competes in women’s mixed martial arts fights. During a bout in 2014, she left her opponent with a broken eye socket and a concussion two minutes into the fight. Her injured opponent, Tamikka Brents, said afterward, “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because (Fox) was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right.”
• Mary Gregory, a male-to-female transgender athlete, set multiple world records while winning weightlifting titles in the women’s squat, bench press and deadlift at the 100% Raw Competition in 2016. The 100% Raw Powerlifting Federation says it learned that Gregory was “actually a male in the process of becoming a transgender female” only after seeing the results of a routine post-competition urine test. She was stripped of her titles and banned from women’s competition.
“Our rules, and the basis of separating genders for competition, are based on physiological classification rather than identification,” the federation said in a statement.
• JayCee Cooper, another male-to-female transgender athlete, set a Minnesota state powerlifting record by bench-pressing 214 pounds after taking up the sport only a year earlier. USA Powerlifting has barred her from competition; the federation subsequently banned all male-to-female transgender athletes from its events because they have “a direct competitive advantage.”
• Hannah Mouncey, who was a member of the Australian men’s handball team before transitioning to a woman, played in the women’s competition of Australian Rules Football, specifically the Victorian Football League. Mouncey is 6-foot-2, 220 pounds. She was nominated for the Australian Football League Women’s draft, the top professional league and the sport’s governing body, but the AFL prohibited her inclusion.
The AFL has mandated limits on testosterone levels for male-to-female transgender athletes who wish to play in the AFLW, and Mouncey withdrew from competition. According to The Australian, “The AFL’s principal reason for excluding Ms. Mouncey from (the draft) is the residual strength and physical size she has from her previous life as a male athlete. Before transitioning to female two years ago, Ms. Mouncey represented Australia in men’s handball. Although her testosterone levels are below the International Olympic Committee limit for transgender athletes, she is muscular (6-foot-2, 220 pounds).”
• Kelly Morgan, a 6-foot male-to-female transgender athlete nicknamed “Beast” by teammates, plays rugby for the Porth Harlequins Ladies in Wales. According to the BBC, one teammate recalled that Morgan once “folded an opponent ‘like a deckchair.’” Morgan told the paper, “I do feel guilty, but what can you do? I don’t go out to hurt anybody.”
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@dariocarraresi1823 It occurs to , me that it could/would only be irrelevant-- if those seeking their affirmation, acceptance, and validation weren't seeking it from that very majority.
BTW, make no mistake-- 'we' are not talking about my logic here. We (the vast majority) are scrutinizing Your logic and claims. It is You who needs to make the compelling case to the majority, Not the other way around, as though the world owes you something.
Men who transition still have bigger hearts, lungs, more muscle, different skeletal structure and higher bone density than women, so all it does is highlight the vast differences between the sexes. Men and women are not the same and therefore not equal.
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@TransHippie
Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper.
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I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is, and the expectation that they would or should is... what?
Just saying trans women are women-- doesn't make it true in reality. Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
So many seem to be looking for an argument, to displace their denial over a topic that's settled, where they're ideological claims have been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that activist's arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd as it illustrates that those biological men aren't social constructs, yet act as though encroaching on things separated based on sex is an entitlement. Can anyone make it make sense???
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@dariocarraresi1823 Yes, it is... The cities with the most violent crimes are all democrat run crap holes, and In 2022 The dems were still in charge, there were slightly more female victims of violent crime than male victims, with about 1,749,030 male victims and 1,762,840 female victims. These figures are a significant increase from the previous year, when there were 1,456,310 male victims and 1,278,390.
You're not making the point you think you're making
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@TransHippie You have failed to articulate Why anyone would or should accept a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim to be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc., and
Unless/until you do-- your expectation to be accepted, affirmed or validated is wishful thinking on your part and totally unlikely. Just sayin...
Normies are not obligated to alter their cultures, countries, societies, and traditions, or to pretend objective reality isn't real, so can feel a certain way about it.
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Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies, which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Because you can't, won't, and don't justify the expectation that spaces and organizations designated not for males with subjective gender identity claims, rather for females based on biology-- Don't be surprised that you face rejection.
Hippie says, "Diversity is good. Enforced conformity is bad." and "The law where I live: it's illegal to bar trans women from women's spaces" failing to recognize that Diversity-- like male and female spaces designated based on biology, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference/orientation, religious affiliation, or marital status... It already exists
Enforcing those laws according to him, is bad? Dude is a conflicted, irrational mess-- Obviously
He thinks his counter-culture nonsense justifies males occupying spaces designated for females. It doesn't
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@TransHippie The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any actual virtue in any of that unhinged whinging.
Because you can't, won't, and don't justify the expectation that spaces and organizations designated not for males with subjective gender identity claims, rather for females based on biology-- Don't be surprised that you face rejection.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress-- That's just being observant.
Existing as yourself doesn't require others to participate in your cosplay and LARP.
Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, Affirmation and validation.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
Don't conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous-- that's an error.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
No one has justified the expectation that males w/ gender identity claims-- misappropriating womanhood unto themselves, by claiming a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim, have any sort of valid claim to access places designated for females. Got anything? Answer: No, you do not have anything other than whining.
The denial, lies and cope of the activist's narratives don't establish truth-- and they can't because they're false.
What do you think the word 'gender' in the term gender dysphoria is referring to?
It seems they go to extensive lengths to alter their appearance to resemble that of the primary biological sex characteristics of the opposite sex, which doesn't actually make anyone that sex, and then operate as though it justifies them to access to areas and organizations designated for females-- It doesn't.
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@TransHippie Your disconnect with reality is again, noted. Not buying it. You guys keep conflating gender/sex and gender roles every time it suits you. If it were separate, why should "trans women" have access to spaces and things that are based on SEX (i.e. public bathrooms, showers, dressing rooms, shelters, prisons, sport teams and categories)??
Why conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous, when they aren't??
Why some "trans women" insist they have periods when this is a biological function stemming from sex organs they don't have; why they take cross-sex hormones and do surgeries to look like the other sex-- if these things are separate; why do so many trans activists insist that "gender/sex is a spectrum"?
Why do they care what sex is, if these two things are separate; why many of them claim they are now the other sex (female or male, which are categories of sex)?
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@TransHippie No, the problem your ideological narrative will continue to run up against and have no answer for, is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from your imagination, LARP and cosplay.
It's the trans community which insists that it be validated, affirmed, accepted with compassion by the rest of the majority-- SO, it's for them to make a compelling case, and so far EVERYTHING I've seen from you fails to persuade.
Good Job!! You're like the wrench in your own spokes, and it's the reason no one takes you seriously or treats you with respect.
Respect is earned not owed, and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
You come across like a petulant late-teen trying to be edgy. The problem is your comments are substance free and your ideological narratives are incoherent and to believe they're correct requires one to be intellectually bankrupt. They don't stand up to scrutiny, and you fail to persuade.
You have no rational rebuttal of anything. You're the only one who doesn't realize you're wrong. Dudes in a costume, dressed as women= Dude in a dress.
You're only fooling yourself
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@TransHippie Saw it... Rejected it for being intellectually stunted.
That doesn't explain why. Hey there science denier-- Just saying trans women are women-- doesn't make it reality.
Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Above, I posted the definition of gender/sex and dated back it's origins to help alleviate the confusion on the facts of the matter
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively. The truth is, you're wrong and you hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving your claims false, and it upsets you that we don't buy your narratives. Your addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and your inability to prove us wrong haunts you
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is an performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about appealing to you for Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, and cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at your 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
There's nothing remotely close to justifying affirmation-based treatment protocols as being efficacious. The stats show clearly that it's a net loss
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@dariocarraresi1823 Who does? A woman who doesn't have a uterus after a hysterectomy is still a woman.
Your assertion of what I "insist" is false, and you know it.
I don't accept your terminology, or your philosophical narrative's views as valid. I think that those to whom you refer as trans are either males w/ identity conflicts or females with identity conflicts, and the conflicts and anxiety about their gender doesn't change their gender
All men are born male, and all women are born female, and neither is a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume.
One's anxiety about their biology doesn't change anything about the reality of their biology being what it is, nor entitle them to the participation of everyone in society, pretending that they're something they're not
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What you claim to exist as is what's in dispute, not your right to exist, or that you do exist.
If you were worried about your dignity, credibility, or making your case-- You'd prove your claims (ANY of them) and disprove those who oppose you-- but NOPE, just continually making baseless claims, and getting owned again and again only to end up deleting your comments and start over with the same baseless nonsense which has been thoroughly debunked.
Someone with integrity would substantiate their claims and disprove the arguments of those who's scrutinize them
You can't prove your nonsense is correct, because it isn't.
Seethe if you must, but your triggered hysteria and delusions of grandeur don't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, and/or identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Prove me wrong 🦗🦗🦗
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@TransHippie Neither your anxiety about reality, your personality, your preferences, nor your fashion choices change your gender, and I suppose that might bug a group of guys pretending to be Cinderella for attention, but sometimes the truth stings.
All women are born female, all men are born male (ZERO exceptions), and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, or a costume.
Now you know better. You're Welcome
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@TransHippie Trump administration, which, acting on Trump's order to quell antisemitic protests on campus, has set about revoking visas and green cards of student activists who engaged in the chaos on college campuses in the wake of the Oct. 7 massacre.
Student activists on college campuses took up the side of the Hamas terrorists who perpetrated the pogrom which killed 1,200 people and kidnapped over 200, more than 50 of whom are still being held by terrorists in Gaza. It is believed that many of those Hamas is holding hostage are dead.
The Chevening scholarship, MEE reports, is a program of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office and aims to "support UK foreign policy priorities and achieve FCDO objectives by creating lasting positive relationships with future leaders, influencers, and decision-makers."
Khalil was a leader and spokesperson for the violent demonstrations and occupations that took place on Columbia's campus. Students and activists occupied the quad, administration buildings, and as recently as January, disrupted classes to distribute anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian pamphlets. Last week, a Barnard College library was occupied and the NYPD was called in to clear the building.
Trump has called Khalil's detainment a "blueprint" for the removal of other students in the US on visas or green cards.
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@Alexandrajolie2006 I understand the narratives perfectly... and not having difficulty deciphering between reality and fantasy, I reject them as incoherent madness-- for the same reason.
No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality, his biology or wishing it were different is anything other than a man, yet the activists insist men claiming to be trans women-- ARE women, as if women were a social construct, rather than a biological category of the human species. That's demonstrably false.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder
They haven't put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Their incoherent rants and invalid claims as valid, are a figment of their imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@dariocarraresi1823
Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper.
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A woman isn't defined by a feeling, fetish, preference, persona, gender role, or her wardrobe.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it.
"It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
They want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Believing a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim isn't what makes a woman-- a woman. Woman refers to the sex and age of a human female, who's reached the adult stage of human development.
Anti-social, counter culture ideologies and cult societies don't create an obligation for the mainstream society to accept, affirm or validate them as though it's the new norm or standard.
Their feelings of self entitlement don't justify males in spaces designated for females...
Appealing to society to repeal women's expectation of women's rights to privacy from the prying eyes of males in women's only spaces, or males being granted access to women's shelters, women's prisons, changing rooms, locker rooms, or the girl's showers, or women's sports divisions/leagues, teams because those males make a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim to identify as women is in no way superior, justified, rational nor reasonable.
Woe to the feminists who buy into that, as in their near dystopian future, they will usher in the era of being oppressed by tyrannical males, who will claim to be women... and they don't even see it coming.
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@TransHippie Uh huh... Neither your anxiety about reality, your personality, your preferences, nor your fashion choices change your gender, and I suppose that might bug a group of guys like those 'women' you live with-- pretending to be Cinderella for attention, but sometimes the truth stings.
All women are born female, all men are born male (ZERO exceptions), and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, or a costume.
Now you know better. You're Welcome
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@dariocarraresi1823 The uncontrolled survey's you tend to cling to and cite don't rise to the level of science. It's more akin to pseudo-science, and science-fiction, which in no way invalidate the controlled, peer-reviewed studies I provided. Cope Harder dude. The conclusions of the following make it pretty clear that what I've been saying is correct
You have no moral ground to stand on from which to whine and complain. Looks like affirmation-based treatment protocols result in a net loss, and in no way justify claims of being efficacious.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
They need to quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how they identify subjectively. The truth is, they're wrong and they hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving their claims false, and it upsets them that we don't buy their narratives. Their addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and their inability to prove us wrong haunts them.
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world are concerned, the entire 'trans gender' identity is a performance, and their ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
They may believe wearing their Halloween princess costume makes them an actual princess, but they're only fooling themselves. It doesn't
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at their claimed 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men.
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
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@dariocarraresi1823 What part of you've lost the debate long ago, having failed to prove any of your assertions and definitely failed to prove anything I've written incorrect or inaccurate, all while failing to be persuasive, is confusing to you?
Take the L-- You will never win this argument. Reality is already established and you can't change it, like you can your wardrobe. Make no mistake, your gender identity that's disconnected from reality doesn't even blip the radar of interest, much less relevance to your desire to be something other than what you are, doesn't make you something other than what you are. A dude will always be a dude
The part where you're wrong, failing to distinguish that they're multiple different controlled, peer reviewed studies, which verify and validate each other by showing consistent results and conclusions-- which destroy your narratives.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I literally cited and quoted the conclusions of the studies I posted, all of which agree with me. Your copium is over-the-top, and your failure to grasp the point and to try to paint the most ridiculous narrative as possible is rejected.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."-- seems to be lost on you.
You say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
You also haven't come close to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
It's absurd
Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case that your prescription is preferred. That's on you, for running from answering questions, and the opportunity to justify your expectations.
Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why sovereign nations have borders.
Just sayin.... Your acceptance, affirmation, and validation aren't required-- So, since society has already established itself, and you are failing to justify your suggestion that it should change to accommodate your claims and operate as though your claims are valid, your expectation to be taken seriously is illogical. The burden of proof remains with you, and you've failed.
You can pretend that this conversation hasn't already occurred, ending with you admitting to arguing just to be argumentative, if you like-- but it doesn't justify eliminating the segregation of women's private spaces from men's.
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@dariocarraresi1823 What's your point? You're going to continue to focus on the irrelevant, as the self delete rate still remains way higher than the general population, and increases despite the affirmation-based gender treatment protocols, seems to be lost on you.
With an 88% desistance rate, resulting in being gay, with a self delete rate closer to the general population at 4% in the gay community-- your approach is a bust, and a net loss.
Shift the goal post all you like, it doesn't justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
You also haven't come close to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex. Got anything??
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@dariocarraresi1823 Okay... And??? I never used the word convinced. A man convinced, is of the same opinion. A man who's been persuaded changes his pov.
I don't require your acceptance. You haven't figured that out yet? I'm enjoying exposing you and your narratives as bogus, with your participation, and I'm happy to keep exposing your nonsense as nonsense. You aren't winning any points. You've lost
I scrutinized your claims and you failed to present a counter argument. That's on you. If you can't articulate an effective counter to make your case-- oh well too bad so sad for you
You haven't justified encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
You also haven't come close to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
And until you do, the expectation that you would or should be taken seriously just doesn't exist.
Ignoring the points I'm making, which derail the validity of your narratives thoroughly, doesn't establish your claims as valid. That's all on you. You lost this debate before you ever decided to engage in it
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@dariocarraresi1823 Why are you under the impression that those to whom you're appealing- for affirmation, acceptance, and validation need to prove anything to you? You're not too bright huh?
The fact is, segregation based on sex is necessary, regardless of your insistence that it isn't-- and you still haven't made a reasonable case as to why you say they aren't.
I don't care if you prefer to indulge in non-traditional fashion choices, and be as effeminate as you please, or have non-traditional sexual preferences.... and defend your right and affirm that you still be entitled to use the men's facilities and try out for men's sports teams, etc.-- Go For It, so to answer your question, "to what extent you shouldn't be discriminated against?"- You shouldn't be discriminated against from being able to use the men's only spaces, just because of your personality, or non-traditional fashion sense, or sexual preferences. You Lose -- AGAIN That's gotta sting
You keep saying gender identities are valid-- BUT, Valid as what?, and to whom are they allegedly valid?-- are the questions
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@dariocarraresi1823 Try re-reading only with your eyes open this time so you don't miss it again. The answer to your question, "to what extent you shouldn't be discriminated against?"- IS
You shouldn't be discriminated against to the extent that you're prevented from being able to use men's only spaces, just because of your personality, or non-traditional fashion sense, or sexual preferences. You Lose -- AGAIN That's gotta sting
Sex segregation IS in EVERY culture, and society in the world, so if you want to change it and contend that it needs to be changed, the burden remains with you to make a compelling case, and you've failed miserably.
You keep saying gender identities are valid-- BUT, Valid as what?, and to whom are they allegedly valid?-- are the questions
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@dariocarraresi1823 You lie. Not your existence, but your claims of what you exist as-- are that which in question. Your sophistry is rejected as are your redefined cult terms. Gender/sex is biological and there are only 2- male/female... that's it. Take the L -- You've been denied and rejected by logic, reason, and objective reality. Your moral relativism isn't accepted.
Gender roles are social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society.
Gender identity claims which are disassociated with one's biological reality don't validate one's claims as true or relevant-- as it goes to spaces and organizations segregated based on sex/gender, subjective disjointed gender identities not withstanding
All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, subjective gender identity claim, or a costume, and as you pointed out-- you believe gender identity and sex are separate, so go ahead and justify encroaching on things separated based on sex, as an entitlement.
You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
You have nothing justifying why your whining should be taken seriously
All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality trait nor a costume, making the cis/trans prefix entirely useless and intellectually stunted
Your world view is rejected. You say gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, as an entitlement, based on a subjective gender identity claim which is not validated by objective reality. Not even close
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@dariocarraresi1823 The previously non-existent assault category by male inmates claiming to be trans, against female inmates resulting in their pregnancy, which wouldn't/couldn't have happened otherwise, when males were segregated with males is what comes to mind.
Bathrooms, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams/leagues are segregated based on biology, not gender identity claims for reasons having already been established before their implementation.
You want things to change? Make your appeal for consideration to the 99+% who aren't confused about the rational for segregating things in society based on sex/gender a good one, because you haven't done it yet. You justified nothing
In less than 1% of cases is gender disconnected from biological sex; making your argument even less relevant or compelling. Good job
Bathrooms, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams/leagues aren't segregating based on the subjective gender identity disconnect and claims of less than 1% of the population, having disjointed gender identity anxiety about their biology and reality-- for obvious reasons. Your failure to grasp that is a YOU problem that the rest of us 99+% reject as invalid claims. sux2bu
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@dariocarraresi1823 Those girls in HS, who were assaulted by HS boys claiming to be trans, are another example which don't indicate trans-policies to be a brilliant idea, and I dgaf what NBC or anyone else says about that.
That's (pathetically) the best you've got, and it's why you're dismissed as less than relevant, invalid, unjustified, and dismissed, says the guy who hasn't been proven inaccurate or incorrect by you or anyone else on this topic.
You want a citation for saying that the sky is dark at night too, no doubt. I cited every study I used to prove your claims false, validate my claims and analysis correct and corroborated, and you failed to provide any peer reviewed studies invalidating them. Cope Harder
You want things to change, and have failed to make your appeal for consideration to the 99+% who aren't confused about the rational for segregating things in society based on sex/gender a good one, because you haven't done it yet. You justified nothing
In less than 1% of cases is gender disconnected from biological sex; making your argument even less relevant or compelling. Good job
Bathrooms, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams/leagues aren't segregating based on the subjective gender identity disconnect and claims of less than 1% of the population, having disjointed gender identity anxiety about their biology and reality-- for obvious reasons. Your failure to grasp that is a YOU problem that the rest of us 99+% reject as invalid claims. sux2bu
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@TransHippie You're a sad, creepy dude, who still hasn't proven anything I've said is incorrect or inaccurate.
You see, You're the one who's failed to justify your expectation that men dressed as women, insisting they're not men- rather are women, are entitled to disregard women's only spaces as a matter of entitlement because of a subjective gender identity claim, and that women should just shut up and accept it... because WHY?
Infiltrating 'women's only' spaces like showers, changing rooms, locker rooms, rest rooms, prisons or sports leagues/teams as an entitlement, and insisting women should just be quiet and accept that is the height of misogyny. How is it not?? Got anything???
Those places aren't designated segregated based on some subjective gender identity claims, rather-- on biology.
There's no hate involved in recognizing a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress. That's just being observant.
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Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality, as well as wanting to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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@TransHippie Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares. It doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girl's showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You certainly haven't proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prisons, with the draft, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarships, and sports teams/leagues you deem unnecessary. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny?
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's sports divisions is a superior way of organizing sports
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's expectation of privacy in women's only spaces is a superior way to organize society.
You've also failed to demonstrate how eliminating women's only spaces as a concept from society, is a superior way of organizing society
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@dariocarraresi1823 Name your preferred ideal country.
No worries... I already told you I reject your inane sophistry, gaslighting, strawman arguments and ideological narratives, and don't require your acceptance, acknowledgement or validation.
You've been proven to be acting as an agent provocateur, with no substance akin to a petulant late-teen, trying to be edgy, while lashing out in frustration because you're wrong, you know it, and you hate that I see it and call it out, and articulate how your inane commentary is devoid of logic, reason and is based only in fantasy
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@dariocarraresi1823 No matter how many times you avoid the truth, and run like a coward from addressing my points, which highlight what you're actually doing, which is You seem to be telling women to F- off, with their concerns about troubled males (Claiming, with zero credibility whatsoever, to be women) in their showers and changing rooms, locker rooms, prisons, and in women's sports.
You've got nothing to refute it amounting to anything rational or reasonable.
The best you've done so far is accusing the opposition of doing what you are doing, like a good NPC troll who, "who just copypasted whatever his masters tell him"
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@dariocarraresi1823 Justify men being granted access into women's only spaces, designated segregated based on biology-- not gender identity.
A dude in a dress is still allowed to utilize men's spaces, and that's not a crime anywhere that I've ever heard of in the USA, and an male with an effeminate personality, isn't illegal either, and they both can utilize the men's facilities and try out for men's sports teams/leagues because no one is trying to prevent them from participating.
Gender (Biology-- there are only 2 male/female... That's it)
Gender Roles (Social constructs, referring to the roles of males and females in society)
You said it's false that all mammals are part of a binary sexual dichotomy of male/female. The 'because you said so' standard hasn't been issued any credibility, can you prove your claim?
No, gender is not an internal experience. Personality traits and temperament aren't gender exclusive-- (hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys)
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
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@dariocarraresi1823 Is "anti-trans ideology", somehow morally bad? How?? Why??
Why do you hate democracy?
I don't care what your self-image is. If it strays from objective reality-- it's about as valid as a fake ID
What do you mean that segregating the things like sports, which are already segregated by society and based on biology, 'make no sense' to you?
What's the reason to change it? 'Dismissed' makes it sound like your approval is required by society, which has already established it's cultural and societal norms.
No, gender-- I provided the definition, going back into antiquity in Latin, showing it is biology, Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”)-- So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”, invalidating your claim and proving it wrong.
Gender is established at conception and is observed and documented at birth or before -- (There are only 2 male/female... that' it, and that status is fixed and permanent), gender roles are social constructs which refer to the roles of males and females in society.
'According to anti-trans activists, a dude in a dress is a crime'. Really? It's either a crime or it isn't. Well, is it a crime anywhere in the US or not? I don't think so, and you haven't cited anything
You never provided an example or evidence of there being any mammal ever, that is other than male or female.
How is men being involved in men's sports and women being involved in women's sports enforcing a gender role in any way?
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@dariocarraresi1823 You said, "transgenderism: having a gender identity that doesn't conform with society's expectations". You do realize that implies that you're in the minority, by definition right?
SO-- why should society change for you, and accept, participate in your LARP and cosplay as though it were based in reality, validating it as true? You haven't justified anything or made a compelling case at all. Mostly because you can't make your incoherent claims become coherent, just like you can't make a man become a woman.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct (like a gender identity, or gender roles), personality trait nor temperament (Neither of which are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females, and tomboys), or a feeling, fetish, preference, nor a costume.
No, you are wrong because the universe is observable and the gender of all mammals is separated into a binary sexual dichotomy of male and female. Which is why I mocked your statement saying, gender is a spectrum of 2 male/female... that's it. LOL
Allowing men to compete with women-- 'as' women, effectively removing women's ability to compete, is totally misogynistic of you-- not those who insist gender segregation based on sex is rational.
I've notice that those like you, insisting on unjustified self-entitled claims to a right to infiltrate women's only spaces segregated based on biology (NOT subjective gender identity claims) and organizations segregated based on biology, have not justified a valid reason to expect that any such entitlement should be honored, much less taken be taken seriously and considered valid.
I reject your definition of gender. Gender is not an internal experience or a feeling. It is synonymous with sex-- as shown above when I defined them both for you, not gender roles, personality traits, or disjointed, subjective gender identity claims.
I already explained to you that if you identify with a subjective gender identity which is disconnected from your actual gender-- (which is biological), no one is enforcing a gender role on you by insisting you have the right to utilize the men's facility or try out for men's sports teams-- just because you have a non-traditional gender identity.
I agree that misgendering can be harmful, especially to those who are affirmed as something that they are not-- via affirmation-based treatment protocols. The self delete rates are horrendous compared to the general population, and compared to those 88% who desist identifying as 'trans', choosing a gay lifestyle instead, according to peer reviewed medical studies spanning 20 years by tenured board member of WPATH, Ken Zucker and another study of 15 years which confirmed the conclusions and findings of the 1st study.
It seems that an "anti-trans activists" is someone against 'trans activists'-- hence my question asking you to define 'trans activist'. N worries. Arguing with you is pointless. You know so much that just isn't so, but that's okay... you can blame your ignorance. You have the right to be wrong.
How are "anti-trans activists" (Silly cult term) NOT upholding the biology-based segregation, by upholding biology-based segregation, by insisting that men use men's facilities and women use women's facilities? Make it make sense.
Men and women are biological beings not a social construct or a gender role-- so No, their gender is not an internal experience; it's established at conception and observed and documented at birth or before.
Your problem is, society has already democratically established this country and it's cultural and societal norms, and on that basis-- you're out voted, so apparently I do get a say about that... kind of a duh... and it appears the majority agree with me, or you wouldn't be whining about things needing to change from the 'anti-trans activists' establishments, cultures, societies and countries. LOL and pssttt... the world doesn't owe you it's acceptance, participation, or validation. Think Deeper thoughts
Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible nor Desirable... That's why sovereign nations have borders. That's why asking why you hate democracy, was not a non sequitur, but is still relevant.
You also seem to be very judgemental about the Palestinian culture, and most of the cultures in the Middle East and their understanding of gender. Have you always been an Islamophobic person? Hmmm... Fact: 80% of the world population is religious, and your religious bigotry doesn't scream tolerance or acceptance.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I didn't fail to prove you wrong. Your failure to admit is irrelevant. Your failure to comprehend how and why is a you problem.
Let's see how it turns out for you. I predict, Not well-- being that you're in the vast vast vast minority among the societies with whom you seek acceptance, affirmation, and validation, which is contradictory to their established cultural and societal norms, traditions and history.
To them, man has always meant an adult human male, and your desire to redefine what people are, will fail because science has already established that which you are at odds with, proving your assertions absurd, incoherent, invalid and nonsensical attempts to conflate science with science-fiction and pseudo-science.
Most people don't have difficulty deciphering between that which is established and accepted, affirmed and validated, as cultural and societal norms from that like what you propose and suggest is preferred, which is counter-culture.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Ya, never happened-- liar. Your gaslighting and sophistry are noted and are rejected.
Quick History Lesson for You:
13th amendment: Abolished slavery-- 100% Republican support/23% Democrat support
14th amendment: Gave citizenship to freed slaves-- 0% Democrat support/94% Republican support
15th amendment: Right to vote for all-- 0% Democrat support/100% Republican support
The question is, do you think women's rights are referring to subjective identity claims, or perhaps maybe it refers to the rights unique to the female half of the sexual binary dichotomy of humans-- the other half being males, being characterized by their physical characteristics?-- Because your response doesn't make any sense and doesn't answer the question.
You seem really confused, and seem to have no problem advocating in favor of infringing on women's rights as long as there's a subjective gender identity claim-- devoid from objective reality involved. Looks like total misogyny from here. What's up with that?
Woe to the feminists who buy into your incoherent ideological claims-- as in their near dystopian futures they'll be oppressed by tyrannical men who will identify as women.
YOU again, fail to demonstrate and establish anything which proves your claims as true or demonstrating that a man is anything other than a man regardless of his personality traits, temperament, gender identity claim, fashion sense, or anxiety about his gender.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The question is, do you think women's rights are referring to subjective identity claims, or perhaps maybe it refers to the rights unique to the female half of the sexual binary dichotomy of humans-- the other half being males, being characterized by their physical characteristics?-- Because your response still doesn't make any sense and doesn't answer the question.
The Big Switch is a LIE
First of all, probably the biggest thing going for the Big Switch, are 2 facts:
1. Whites in the south who used to be Democrats do now, vote predominantly Republican.
2. Blacks who used to vote Republican now vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
Operating on the assumption, which is reasonable that people understand where their own interests lie, many blacks currently see their identification and interests in the democrat party.
When did Blacks switch from Dems switch from R to D?
• The Dem party was the party of the Dixiecrats all the way through the 60’s.
• If what the flawed narrative suggested were true-- that the blacks made a switch to their racial friends, it would appear the switch would have to come in the 70’s and the 80’s-- When blacks see the racists are switching, BUT—in reality blacks switched overwhelmingly in the 1930’s.
• The Black Vote went from about 15% to about 75% democrat within about 4 years.
• The reason blacks switched from R to D’s had everything to do with the New Deal.
• Blacks in the North and the South switched to the Dem party because of New Deal Benefits
N. Dems protected slavery. The civil war was about the Dem party North and South, which opposed the abolishment of slavery and the Republican party—which was only in the North. The Dems have been the party of racism and slavery for over a hundred years, and they still are.
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@dariocarraresi1823 That's just idiotic, and why you're dismissed as a fool with no credibility and no respect.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" are referring to subjective gender identity claims is demonstrably false dude, and carries all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from You/the "trans" side.
You/Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of your personality-- as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Why then, if what you said were true, was there a need to give women the right to vote? Why did the women not just identify as men, since according to you-- it's based on subjective gender identity claims, rendering the understanding since the dawn of time what a man and a woman is, irrelevant? Your nonsense is boring already.
We will agree to disagree. I just don't find your arguments rational, persuasive nor compelling to be deemed true, accepted, and validated.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're not convincing anyone, and are doing a great job playing the contrarian antagonistic, fool. Bottom line is, you can self identify as anything you like-- that doesn't make it so. To believe your tripe, your shoe size would have to dwarf your IQ
You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, you could self identify as a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon and it wouldn't obligate anyone to pretend that you were.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”)-- proving another of your claims demonstrably false.
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
You're wrong
Take the L chatterbot
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@dariocarraresi1823 I note that You look like a triggered, activist who's only interested in sowing seeds of discord, desperately trying to create spin to drive an incoherent narrative. I know... the truth stings and makes you scream at the sky, and it's hilariously glorious. Your vapid comments, don't justify your world view as valid.
Look, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I came here seeking signs of intelligent life, and seeking clarification of your beliefs, logic, and reasoning-- in good faith. I've noted that your responses are intended to avoid answering in good faith, instead focusing on making a spectacle of yourself, akin to a petulant late-teen, trying to be edgy.
I'm not impressed. I identify as someone who doesn't have to participate in the cosplay and LARP of counter-culture cult members, and how you self-identify with a preferred gender identity, couldn't be less interesting or relevant, because a dude in a dress is still a dude. Go for it, just know that you aren't fooling me
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your lies and deceit are noted. There are no trans people. All people are male and female, and their subjective sense of self and gender identity doesn't change that, and neither does their plastic surgery, fashion preferences, personality traits nor temperament, nor psych disorders nor redefining terms.
You can rename an apple 'Orange', and it won't alter the nature of an apple or an orange, and the same is true re: renaming a man a trans woman... Still a man
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
Aloha
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@dariocarraresi1823 Uhh huh... Mmkay.... Feel better now? I already said we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not trying to persuade you. I enjoy drawing you out an mocking your intentional sophistry and ignorance, while you tantrum and screech your triggered rants like a toddler having a tantrum.
I was testing to see if you could justify your assertion that people should be categorized according to their subjective gender identities, rather than according to their biological sex-- as it concerns women's rights laws, privacy, the draft, prisons and sports competition/leagues, and shocker-- You can't, haven't, won't-- either way You and I will have to agree to disagree.
Women's rights laws aren't based on the subjective gender identity claims of men who say they identify as women, and your use of cult terminology and redefining terms doesn't alter the nature of men or women.
We fundamentally disagree, and you're not persuasive. PERIOD FULL Stop.
Feel free to seethe if you must, I really couldn't possibly care any less than I do (which is not at all). As far as I'm concerned there's no reason to validate your claims as justified or justifiable for the reasons I've already explained.
Farewell
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your reading comprehension deficit is noted. I negated all your points. The fact that you don't admit it, or comprehend how and why-- again, is a You problem. I told you, I didn't come here for you. I came here to ask some questions, which no one, including you-- have made rational responses to, rendering your claims and expectations to be taken seriously, invalid and unjustified and ultimately rejected with cause.
Just breathe... You're triggered and wound up too tight. You've already proven that you're operating in bad faith, when you admitted that you just like trying to piss me off, so who are you trying to convince here?
I discredited and dismissed you long ago. I told you already, neither your acceptance, approval, affirmation, admission, nor validation is required.
Your narratives, and claims are dismissed as unjustified lies. You remain unjustified in your expectations from the world around you.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You keep accusing that I want to force people to follow gender roles, and I asked you to explain how allowing a dude in a dress to use the men's room, and try out for men's sports is 'forcing a gender role', and you haven't explained that yet, Because it isn't, and NONE your Red Herring arguments, and sophistry will change that.
Oh, and btw-- You Don't have to accept what society has established as societal and cultural norms; You can reject them. You can choose to live in lots of different countries, perhaps you can find one that you find acceptable.
You can be counter culture all you like. You can choose to reject traditional gender roles, and choose to wear a dress as a man, and still have access to all the men's facilities and opportunities to try out for men's sports-- so no one is trying to force traditional gender roles on you.
The problems for you start, when you operate with arrogant and unjustified self-entitlement, as though society owes you an explanation to justify it's long-established societal and cultural norms steeped in their traditions (who the hell do you think you are? Your arrogance is astounding!), and it's participation and acceptance of your world view as superior somehow.
The thing is, society is also free to reject You. If you want to integrate into a society, it's for you to integrate. ex. You think that a country must use the language you use, just because you're there? HA! Adapt and learn the language or don't, but they're not going to change for you.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You've said a lot of things that just aren't true or correct. See above.
I disagree with you fundamentally. I say, there are no trans humans. All people are male or female, and neither their personality nor anxiety about their gender, nor will their subjective gender identity change that, too bad so sad.
Like I said, The problems for you start, when you operate with arrogant and unjustified self-entitlement, as though society owes you an explanation to justify it's long-established societal and cultural norms steeped in their traditions (who the hell do you think you are? Your arrogance is astounding!), and that society owes you it's participation and acceptance of your counter-culture world view as superior somehow, because society has it's priorities above yours and you aren't in charge of overriding their democratically established law of the land.
The thing is, society is also free to reject You. If you want to integrate into a society, it's for you to integrate. ex. You think that a country must use the language you use, just because you're there? HA! Adapt and learn the language or don't, but they're not going to change for you.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your failure to acknowledge my examples I provided in other threads, is not my failure to provide examples. It's an example of your bad faith and lack of integrity with your character
Yes, it's copy/pasted from what I posted to you previously, since you claim I never posted anything for you-- BUT it's clearly relevant.
The strongest men are stronger than the strongest women. Eliminating the segregation of men's and women's sports, means the end of women's sports (Tennis, Weight lifting, Wrestling, Running, etc...) NO chance for women to get in the running against the most competitively athletic of men competing, so they came up with women's divisions-- DUH.
2nd claim, Yes- you did. You said, "the latter pushes out trans and intersex athletes for no valid reason" Those dudes are free to try out against all the other dudes competing. They're not women.
"Empowering girls and women through athletics is a core value of the IAAF and the sport and sits at the heart of what all of us in athletics believe the sport can offer to participants and to the world. Because of the effect of testosterone on the body from puberty onwards, men are bigger, stronger and faster on average than women. That is why the female classification is 'protected', and why individuals who identify as female but have a certain difference of sex development (DSD) (which means that they have the same advantages over women as men do over women) can pose a challenge to that protected category. This is why we introduced the eligibility regulation and why it must be defended: to ensure fair competition for all women."
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're avoiding the elephant in the room. Those are dudes not women. Those dudes are free to try out and compete with other men.
According to science, all women are born female, all men are born male and that state is fixed and permanent, and is established at conception and documented at birth or before.
Women's sports divisions exist and were created for women, for a reason-- and it wasn't to accommodate subjective gender identities, it was to accommodate biology. It's not complicated.
Intersex individuals (A widely misunderstood term, Being a vast minority of cases) still have a dominant primary sex, regardless of their gender identity, and if it's male-- too bad so sad, try out for the men's team. Effeminate males are not barred from entry
Men have larger lung capacity than women, their bodies regulate temperature more efficiently and effectively than women, their bone density and skeletal structures are different, and their subjective gender identity doesn't change that.
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I know you've engaged in no good faith interactions, instead you've lied, you gaslight, and engage in sophistry, and use Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals tactics, and Joseph Goebbels tactics of "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself"-- and those examples I provided aren't lies, they're documented cases-- so quit gaslighting
Study finds "nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes". A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that 44% of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offenses.
Spanning the years 2017-2020, 99 gender-diverse inmates took part in the wide-ranging study designed to provide the CSC with a profile of this segment of the prison population.
“We’ve known this all along,” former federal inmate and advocate Heather Mason told The Toronto Sun. “But I’m really surprised they did this study. It’s pretty damning.”
Among the findings:
— Of the 99 inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
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— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses. About 94% committed their crimes while living as their biological sex.
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The salient points you pro trans activists conveniently ignore are:
> People, (boys or girls, men or women) are not social constructs, feelings, fetishes, preferences, personality traits nor temperament, nor are they costumes
> Males cannot become females
> Men cannot become women
> Boys cannot become girls
> Females cannot become male
> Girls cannot become boys
> Women cannot become men
> Prisons, women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and restrooms are segregated by sex for a good reason, and despite the apparent preference to desegregate them, insinuating they're unnecessary; No one has made a persuasive case that they're unnecessary, nor has anyone made a persuasive case that they should be eliminated.
> Areas and organizations designated for females are done so based on biology, not subjective measures, and no one has provided anything to justify the expectation that males who make subjective and unverifiable gender identity claims, are or should be an exception.
So-- Got anything???
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Yes, it is binary. Birth defects aren't another subspecies. First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”.
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Additionally, Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder
You/They haven't put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Your incoherent rants and claims of legitimacy, are figments of your imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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Christian jihadist agenda? What is that? You spelled Islamic incorrectly.
I don't understand why 'trans' activists use the intersex argument. It doesn't prove the point they think they're making at all.
Birth defects aren't another subspecies, or gender. First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex.
Additionally, Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@dariocarraresi1823 My replies debunking your assertions, are my acknowledgement to what you've said, regardless of your lack of comprehension of my replies.
You've failed to answer my questions and that relegates your statements to a status so insignificant as amounting to nothing more than the impotent, and unsubstantiated nonsensical whinging of a radical gender ideologue, who lacks the integrity to engage with questions which scrutinize your statements, in good faith.
No worries... No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality, his biology or wishing it were different is anything other than a man. Got Anything??? Answer: No, you don't and neither does anyone else
You have put forth no reasoning that withstands my scrutiny, rendering your narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Your incoherent rants and invalid claims aren't persuasive or compelling and claims of legitimacy are a figment of your imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and you're the one seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in your larp and cosplay, based on the belief that your subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@northparkbv And yet, A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that 44% of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for s3xu@l offenses.
The study — entitled Gender Diverse Offenders with a History of Sexual Offending — reveals a troubling pattern of violence among the convicted.
Spanning the years 2017-2020, 99 gender-diverse inmates took part in the wide-ranging study designed to provide the CSC with a profile of this segment of the prison population.
“We’ve known this all along,” former federal inmate and advocate Heather Mason told The Toronto Sun. “But I’m really surprised they did this study. It’s pretty damning.”
Among the findings:
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
— Of the 99 inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offence,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offences. About 94% committed their crimes while living as their biological sex.
The study also found that 70% of the trans offenders with sex crime jackets were themselves the victims of childhood abuse.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offences were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s).”
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@TransHippie Neither your anxiety about reality, your personality, your preferences, nor your fashion choices change your gender, and I suppose that might bug a group of guys pretending to be Cinderella for attention, but sometimes the truth stings.
All women are born female, all men are born male (ZERO exceptions), and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, or a costume.
Now you know better. You're Welcome
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@TransHippie Seeking out intelligent responses to my questions, is my answer.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
You've not presented any justification that males who assert a trans gender identity claim, would or should be expecting to be granted an exception status to occupy areas and organizations designated, and implemented for females.
The biological characteristics are the determining factor, when discussing the fact that males, regardless of their gender identity claims, are not entitled to occupy areas and organizations segregated for females, which are based on biology, not feelings.
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@TransHippie That's just your, hyperbolic and hysterically out-of-touch NPC narrative talking points. IF, you require the participation of everyone in society, in your treatment plan-- your treatment plan is woefully inadequate.
If, under the threat of your self harm, you'll self delete if everyone doesn't abandon their faculties of reason, and participate in your delusions as though they're based in reality-- you need to be in protective custody for your own safety, NOT skulking around in the girl's showers, where they object and reject your narratives as insane and misogynistic expectations that they should just be quiet and let you pretend that the world revolves around You and your extremely needy and inexhaustible desire for affirmation and validation as something you're not and can never be.
Rejection-- You better learn to cope or adjust your expectation that the world owes you. It doesn't owe you anything other than an expiration date, so your self entitlement is unjustified, just like your expectation that anyone ought to take you seriously
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@martind2520 That fruit loop is a radical gender ideologue with zero credibility and a proclivity to spout NPC propaganda/garbage, and pretend it's meaningful.
I went and looked it up. It's crap and he knows it. I've posted long term peer reviewed medical studies showing the increase of self deletes post surgery, and he ignores the inconvenient truth.
There's no truth, honor nor integrity in this fool's narratives.
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Total destruction of the ideologue's narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
He may believe wearing his Halloween princess costume makes him an actual princess, but he's only fooling himself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study that I already listed
Conclusion: “Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
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Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Truth: Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
It's the inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished things were-- while failing to realize that your imagination doesn't impact the capacity for discernment of the vast majority to decipher reality from the trans imagination.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I already have. Would you like me to copy/paste it here for you-- Again? Okay... Since you asked so nicely
Doctors and clinical leaders have called on the BMA to abandon its plan to “publicly critique” Hilary Cass’s review of gender identity services for children and teenagers and to retract its demand to allow puberty blockers to be given to children with gender related distress while this evaluation takes place.12
A total of 870 doctors, including 557 BMA members, have signed the letter addressed to Philip Banfield, the BMA’s chair of council, saying that they are “extremely disappointed” that BMA council members took part in an “opaque and secretive” vote on the Cass review last month.3 It was this vote that led the BMA to announce last week that it was setting up its own “task and finish” inquiry to “publicly critique” what the letter described as the “most comprehensive review into healthcare for children with gender related distress ever conducted.”
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Your subjective gender identity doesn't make anyone a man or a woman-- it's biology.
Incoherent, obsessive cult arguments promoting that they do-- are invalid, and change nothing.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
You have no moral ground to stand on from which to whine and complain. Looks like affirmation-based treatment protocols result in a net loss, and in no way justify claims of being efficacious.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
They need to quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how they identify subjectively. The truth is, they're wrong and they hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving their claims false, and it upsets them that we don't buy their narratives. Their addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and their inability to prove us wrong haunts them.
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world are concerned, the entire 'trans gender' identity is a performance, and their ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
They may believe wearing their Halloween princess costume makes them an actual princess, but they're only fooling themselves. It doesn't
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at their claimed 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men.
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
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@TransHippie Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
A dude in a dress, who's chosen to surgically alter his anatomy, is still a dude-- He's just a dude who's chosen to remove himself from the gene pool, and have properly functioning organs rendered no longer functioning.
They're only kidding themselves when they don't acknowledge that the trans activist narratives include the notion that a trans woman is a woman, is objectively just false/wrong.
The problem with the trans activist's narratives are that life is based in objective reality, and the vast majority of people don't have difficulty deciphering the differences between reality and the trans imagination, and they aren't willing to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality
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@TransHippie False. Your statement that trans women are women, is totally false.
Where is the hate in recognizing that a male in a dress is a male in a dress, who's not entitled to be in spaces designated for women?
Where's the hate involved in asking for justification for the expectation that society indulge and embrace your lunatic, fringe, counter-culture, cult worldview, as reasonable, rational, logical, acceptable, or valid?
You should relax... You've called me every insulting name in the book, including religious bigoted comments, so you have no expectation of being treated with respect for your anti-social comments. Get Real
I get it... You're triggered and mad, that you have no rational arguments to make a coherent rebuttal to the scrutiny of your activist narratives, making them invalid
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You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
You have nothing justifying why your whining should be taken seriously.
You come across like a creepy woman hater, and misogynist trying to justify infringing on women's rights to designate women's only areas for themselves, as though you're entitled.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to be confusing to trans activists. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny? ANYTHING???
Be relevant for a change and make your case, if you think you can
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@dariocarraresi1823 Good, then I shouldn't hear you whining about my participation in your larp, cosplay and pronoun nonsense. FANTASTIC!!
Look, Tell yourself whatever you like. There's no need to argue about objective reality. Your narratives simply don't withstand scrutiny
According to the various peer-reviewed studies I've read, there is, and I hate to break it to you-- the truth can sting, BUT the 'because you said so' standard has been issued exactly ZERO credibility
You certainly haven't proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man. Got anything??? Answer: No, you do not. A man believing he's a woman, doesn't make him one. Take your time to process reality, for a change
No worries... I'm not seeking your approval, acceptance, or validation
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD delivers a good dose of truth, regarding so-called "gender-affirming care" during a recent U.S. House Committee hearing. She speaks clearly, as a medical professional and debunks the notion that sex is "assigned at birth", clarifying that it's established at conception, and observed and documented at birth, or before.
Dr. Grossman is board certified in child, adolescent, and adult psychiatry. The author of five books, her work has been translated into eleven languages. "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" is her most recent book that explains the widespread devastation caused by transgenderism.
Her medical practice focuses on gender-distressed young people and their parents. She believes that every child is born in the right body. Dr Grossman has been vocal about the capture of her profession by ideologues, leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents. She has testified in Congress and lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations.
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@Laurentxoplex I don't consider myself particularly knowledgeable, but I got the info on the internet. They repeat the same lame, incoherent talking points, which simply don't stand up to scrutiny.
Some of the repeated cult talking points led me to use the internet to discover that their claims are Fos, and filled with agenda driven deception and propaganda.
Then, I sincerely started asking questions and realized that the entire community operated in bad faith, snarky and came across as agent provocateurs.
Then, I realized that there are only a few arguments they have, and none are sound, so I enjoy letting them expose themselves and enjoy knowing that others who identify as I do, as people who don't have to participate in the delusions of the emotionally strained, can use my counters when/where they may find appropriate to assist in the push back that this destructive ideology deserves, imo.
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Really??? A panhandler named James Tubbs entered a women’s restroom at a Denny’s restaurant in Palmdale, California and lay in wait, and m0lested a 10 year old girl.
Canada called and said you need to update your info
Canada's stats show the findings:
— Of the inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for h0mic*de-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with s3xu@l offense histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offenses were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused d3ath or serious harm to their victim(s).”
The study also found that of the gender-diverse offenders, 47% of whom were Indigenous.
Why should the males, who you refer to as "trans women" have a higher priority, than the safety of females (both girls and women)???
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@martind2520 Ya, but the people who whine about it are most often radical feminist ideologues, and I don't lend any credence to their world view's validity, moral superiority nor accuracy.
There are many, as you're well aware, who have difficulty deciphering gender from gender roles, personality traits and temperament, acting as though they're all synonymous-- and they aren't, while simultaneously conflating science with science-fiction and pseudo-science and they have difficulty deciphering the differences between males and females.
Half these people think the USA is a democracy, and can't tell time on an analog clock, or make change for a dollar without a calculator.
The notion of equality is laced with double meanings and it's a false premise. The smallest minority is the individual, and people are Not equal-- they're uniquely 1 of 1 in some ways and the same in others...
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Is it okay? I don't think so, and neither do the following and for the following reasons:
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
They need to quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how they identify subjectively. The truth is, they're wrong and they hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving their claims false, and it upsets them that we don't buy their narratives. Their addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and their inability to prove us wrong haunts them.
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world are concerned, the entire 'trans gender' identity is a performance, and their ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
They may believe wearing their Halloween princess costume makes them an actual princess, but they're only fooling themselves. It doesn't
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at their claimed 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men.
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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@dariocarraresi1823 My definition??? Go ahead... Women, ALL of them are born female and they aren't a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or a fashion statement-- anyway you look at it; and you haven't shown how their private spaces, designated by biology-- are unjustified, or how a man's gender identity justifies his expectation to be treated as though he's a woman of any sort. Got Anything?
You ran away and failed to answer any of the following: Got anything yet?
You said, "Bottom line is: gender identities are valid (AS What???, is the question), gender dysphoria is a real condition, patients with GD deserve access to effective healthcare (We disagree on the definition of effective health care, and the claims of efficacy being justified or not), and transphobes constantly lie (What lies??) about "women's only spaces" because they want to impose gender roles on society."
How is that not you, conflating gender roles and biology???, and what is your justification for the elimination of men and women's private spaces and organizations? Do you think those organizations and places segregated based on biology, are done so because the intent is to enforce gender roles, rather than to create private spaces based on objective biology?-- Okay... Make it make sense... A man with a gender identity/role of a woman in a dress, can still utilize the men's facilities, and try out for men's sports, and sports teams, so how is that trying to impose a gender role on anyone? Hmmm???
You're conflating gender with gender roles again What's the justification for a man with a gender identity of a woman being granted access to women's private space? You still haven't provided a rational answer.
I get it... You want to argue for sport, and I'm fine with continually crushing your narratives and exposing the narratives as being intellectually vacant and incoherent madness with your cooperation, and willingness to play the part of the triggered, fool displaying an anti-social personality disorder by feeding an attention-seeking behavior, showing you desperately looking for negative attention to paint a negative picture of the trans-activist's ideological narratives, and their appeal to the masses for acceptance, affirmation and validation, by failing to substantiate anything other than the justification for being dismissed as the whinging of the unhinged. It's just so unoriginal of you. Respect is earned, not owed 🤡
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@dariocarraresi1823 So you can cut the number of people the men's room can service at venues like stadiums, convention centers and the like.... Ya, brilliant
Why bother, since men and women's restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions, and prisons are already in place and established and are working as intended, allowing men with a gender identity crisis that differs from their biology are the vast vast vast minority of people, and it in no way stops them from accessing the facilities that match their biological needs?
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@dariocarraresi1823 There are no trans humans. All humans are of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female as are all mammals, and their feelings of anxiety about reality don't change reality at all.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
They need to quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how they identify subjectively. The truth is, they're wrong and they hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving their claims false, and it upsets them that we don't buy their narratives. Their addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and their inability to prove us wrong haunts them.
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world are concerned, the entire 'trans gender' identity is a performance, and their ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
They may believe wearing their Halloween princess costume makes them an actual princess, but they're only fooling themselves. It doesn't
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at their claimed 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men.
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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@LucasZiats I am merely pointing out all of the incoherent nonsense, misinformation and disinformation going on in the peanut gallery.
At the end of the day, No one can justify men being granted access, because of a subjective identity claim- removed from reality-- into women's only spaces, designated segregated based on biology-- not gender identity.
A dude in a dress is still allowed to utilize men's spaces, and that's not a crime anywhere that I've ever heard of in the USA, and an male with an effeminate personality, isn't illegal either, and they both can utilize the men's facilities and try out for men's sports teams/leagues because no one is trying to prevent them from participating.
Gender (Biology-- there are only 2 male/female... That's it)
Gender Roles (Social constructs, referring to the roles of males and females in society)
No, gender is not an internal experience. Personality traits and temperament aren't gender exclusive-- (hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys)
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
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@phaneros8180 Transphobe is a toothless cult term used to shut down intellectual discussion with virtue-free, hysterical whinging, to distract from the fact that you have nothing intelligent to address the scrutiny of your narratives with, and you nitwits think it makes you look cool.
The only thing you've proven is that your incoherent narratives can't and don't withstand scrutiny.
That you resort to the predictably, emotionally immature, virtue-free virtue signaling attempts, and mockery, as an intellectually bankrupt response-- to the very people to whom the activists appeal to for acceptance, and validation, vs responding in good faith with something respectable, doesn't make you out to be a genius... Just sayin.
Good Plan /S You're the wrench in your own spokes
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@jeffrinator2078 Spoken like an NPC propaganda activist, reciting a script.
No one has yet shown any evidence, which substantiates the notions that a male with the claimed gender identity of a woman, or that a female with the claimed gender identity of a man, is a valid claim, or justifying the expectation that everyone is obligated to participate in the treatment programs of anyone, by allowing men with psych issues in the girl's shower-- Got anything?
Until you do, it's unlikely that anyone will take you seriously.
The science shows that all mammals (including humans) are of a binary sexual dichotomy of male XY chromosomes and female XX chromosomes, and one's feelings of angst about that doesn't change their status, and neither does a genetic disorder, nor does it entitle them to be treated as though it does. How do you not know this?
Not everyone is a victim. The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any substance or actual virtue in your comment
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@TransHippie That''s why you're not taken seriously and are rejected by the vast majority of people as unhinged and recognized as being several degrees removed from reality.
You're anti-science, conflating science with science-fiction and pseudo-science.
Bottom line is, You've rendered yourself irrelevant all on your own by failing to articulate Why you think the world should care about your counter-culture acceptance of it's long-established cultural and societal norms, steeped in traditions, as if you had a say?
What the world's motivation to indulge your desire for it to change for you, deny objective reality and participate in your cosplay and LARP? Anything?
Seems like it's YOU who wish to integrate into society, and be affirmed, accepted and validated-- not the other way around, so you better be more persuasive than you've been so far if you want anyone to take you seriously, because the world doesn't owe you abandoning it's capacity to discern objective reality from the trans imagination, and pretending that a dude in a dress is anything other than a dude in a dress.
Either way, men can't become women and their subjective gender identity hasn't been justified as a reason to deny women's rights by you or anyone else.
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@TransHippie Look, I don't care how you choose to dress or identify. If you're a dude in a fairy princess costume, you use the men's room, you can try out for the men's sports teams, and use the men's locker rooms, showers, changing rooms and prisons. Simple... See?? Not trying to enforce a traditional gender role. Your subjective identity, and preferred gender identity/role are irrelevant to me. I just see a dude in a dress. You keep getting it WAY Wrong
Dudes can dress like women in the men's room if they have to use it, and there's nothing preventing it. What's the problem?
I told you, gender is biology (there are only 2 male/female... that's it). Gender roles are social constructs that refer to the roles of males and females in society, and assuming the gender role of the opposite sex doesn't make you the opposite sex- so your issue, which apparently has you triggered is unclear.
You can choose to have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon if you want to, and I really couldn't care less-- but it doesn't make you an actual Klingon, or obligate anyone to pretend that you are-- and anyone who suggests that it does needs a psych evaluation
I can recognize the differences between gender and gender roles- even if you can't, and I can decipher the differences between women from men, regardless of whether or not those men are engaging in gender non-conforming roles (Still men)-- because I'm not confused about recognizing the differences between men and women.
All the hysterical crap you've been whining about only exists in your imagination
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're triggered and seeking attention because you Don't care about what I think right? Uh huh-- Get a friend
If as you believe, gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex??? No, sorry not sorry. Your cult narrative is incoherent madness.
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing, or not. You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress is still a dude, regardless of his desire to be a woman-- he's not and can't ever be, is the point you can't escape.
The main problem that the trans activist ideological narratives have is that life is based in objective reality and most don't have difficulty deciphering the difference between reality and the trans imagination.
You're only fooling yourself, if you don't acknowledge the trans activists saying trans women are women. LOL ALL women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a mere social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or costume. A dude with a psych issue who believes he's a woman is still a dude.
That just how it is. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder... You're only fooling yourselves
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@dariocarraresi1823 All men are born male, all women are born female and gender/sex is established at conception and is observed and documented at birth and before.
You wouldn't use pronouns when communicating in the 1st person, so factor that in before you start screeching about your pronouns. Nobody gives a crap. People will describe you how they describe you and you can't force them you do it in a manner that meets your satisfaction. Calling a male a female is misgendering. Get it straight.
There are no trans humans. All humans are male or female, and that status is fixed and permanent. One cannot become the other. Prancing around acting like a sexist stereotype of a woman, by altering your body to mimic the primary sex characteristics of women doesn't make you women, regardless of the level of anxiety you perceive about reality, and wishing it were different... Still men
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex and there is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@phaneros8180 Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, affirmation and validation.
The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any actual virtue in any of that unhinged whinging.
Because you can't, won't, and don't justify the expectation that spaces and organizations designated not for males with subjective gender identity claims, rather for females based on biology-- Don't be surprised that you face rejection.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress-- That's just being observant.
Existing as yourself doesn't require others to participate in your cosplay and LARP.
Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, Affirmation and validation.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
Don't conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous-- that's an error.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
No one has justified the expectation that males w/ gender identity claims-- misappropriating womanhood unto themselves, by claiming a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim, have any sort of valid claim to access places designated for females. Got anything? Answer: No, you do not have anything other than whining.
The denial, lies and cope of the activist's narratives don't establish truth-- and they can't because they're false.
What do you think the word 'gender' in the term gender dysphoria is referring to?
It seems they go to extensive lengths to alter their appearance to resemble that of the primary biological sex characteristics of the opposite sex, which doesn't actually make anyone that sex, and then operate as though it justifies them to access to areas and organizations designated for females-- It doesn't.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
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@literallyinflames DNA dictates the production of objective biological differences between males and females. 100% of the population is either male or female, even intersex people. If they have a Y chromosome, they are heterogametic and male. If not, they are homogametic and female. But you knew that because you've actually educated yourself on these conditions, right?
Check out: “Intersex” Does not Violate the Sex Binary
Rashad Rehman, PhD
First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”, I will now provide four arguments that “intersex” does not violate the sex binary. cais (intersex deformity) comes along with hermaphroditism btw
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@catsmom5m0r If genitals don't define gender, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
A woman isn't a social construct, so saying 'gender identity' (Which is a social construct) is separate from biology or saying trans women are women, in response to the question "how do you figure trans women are women being that all women are born female (A biological status)?", is just intellectually bankrupt.
Trans women are not women. They're dudes by another name, pretending that they're women... Still men
The thing is, It's you who are expecting the world and everyone in it to operate as though you're owed something. That's wrong!
It is for you to make your case a compelling one, if you expect the participation and cooperation of others, and so far-- You fail to persuade.
Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
Way too many (You included) conflate Gender/Sex (= Biology, there are only 2 male/female... That's it) with Gender Roles (Social Constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society). and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they are Not.
Male/Female are categories of the binary dichotomy of all mammalian species, which is fixed and permanent. That you aren't aware, is a YOU problem.
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@catsmom5m0r Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender- due to GD- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Now you know better
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@catsmom5m0r Sorry that doesn't do it. Not your existence, but your claims of what you exist as are in question.
All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality trait nor a costume, making the cis/trans prefix entirely useless and intellectually stunted.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender- due to GD- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
You/They haven't put forth any reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@catsmom5m0r Your subjective gender identity isn't what makes you a man or a woman. It's your biology
Sex/gender based segregation, establishing women's only spaces such as prisons, locker rooms, changing rooms, showers and organizations, and sports/leagues are done so for a good reason, and your failure to acknowledge them doesn't make the point you think you're making.
Every culture and society in the world segregates based on gender/sex for well-established reasons, and you've not articulated why they shouldn't, and instead should abandon that rational.
Bathrooms, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams/leagues are segregated based on biology, not gender identity claims for reasons having already been established before their implementation.
You want things to change? Make your appeal for consideration to the 99+% who aren't confused about the rational for segregating things in society based on sex/gender a good one, because you haven't done it yet. You've justified nothing
In less than 1% of cases is gender disconnected from biological sex; making your argument even less relevant or compelling. Good job
Bathrooms, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams/leagues aren't segregating based on the subjective gender identity disconnect and claims of less than 1% of the population, having disjointed gender identity anxiety about their biology and reality-- for obvious reasons.
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@jeffbelanger9877 Not as what they claim to exist as they don't. I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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@catsmom5m0r Humans are mammals and all mammals are of a binary sexual dichotomy of male and female and their personalities, and anxiety about their gender doesn't change it.
Your subjective gender identity doesn't make anyone a man or a woman-- it's biology.
Incoherent, obsessive cult arguments promoting that they do-- are invalid, and change nothing.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of your personality-- as well, they want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@literallyinflames Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
Way too many inappropriately conflate gender (There are only 2 male/female... That's it) with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society), and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they aren't.
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@literallyinflames Nope-- eunuch (n.)
"castrated man," late 14c., eunuk, from Latin eunuchus, from Greek eunoukhos "castrated man," originally "guard of the bedchamber or harem," from euno-, combining form of eune "bed," a word of unknown origin, + okhos, from stem of ekhein "to have, hold" (from PIE root *segh "to hold").
Don't conflate gender/sex with gender roles. Gender is biological and there are only 2 male/female... that's it, gender roles are social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society.
Re: Intersex-- DNA dictates the production of objective biological differences between males and females. 100% of the population is either male or female, even intersex people. If they have a Y chromosome, they are heterogametic and male. If not, they are homogametic and female. But you knew that because you've actually educated yourself on these conditions, right?
Check out: “Intersex” Does not Violate the Sex Binary
Rashad Rehman, PhD
First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”, I will now provide four arguments that “intersex” does not violate the sex binary. cais (intersex deformity) comes along with hermaphroditism btw
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@literallyinflames Also, They say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
They also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
It's absurd
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@phaneros8180 They say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
They also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
Got anything substantive regarding that? 🦗🦗🦗
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@phaneros8180 Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, affirmation and validation.
The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any actual virtue in any of that unhinged whinging.
Because you can't, won't, and don't justify the expectation that spaces and organizations designated not for males with subjective gender identity claims, rather for females based on biology-- Don't be surprised that you face rejection.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress-- That's just being observant.
Existing as yourself doesn't require others to participate in your cosplay and LARP.
Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, Affirmation and validation.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
Don't conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous-- that's an error.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
No one has justified the expectation that males w/ gender identity claims-- misappropriating womanhood unto themselves, by claiming a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim, have any sort of valid claim to access places designated for females.
Got anything? Answer: No, you do not have anything other than whining.
The denial, lies and cope of the activist's narratives don't establish truth-- and they can't because they're false.
What do you think the word 'gender' in the term gender dysphoria is referring to?
It seems they go to extensive lengths to alter their appearance to resemble that of the primary biological sex characteristics of the opposite sex, which doesn't actually make anyone that sex, and then operate as though it justifies them to access to areas and organizations designated for females-- It doesn't.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
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@dariocarraresi1823 Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares, it doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girl's showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You certainly haven't proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prisons, with the draft, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarships, and sports teams/leagues you deem unnecessary. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny?
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's sports divisions is a superior way of organizing sports
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's expectation of privacy in women's only spaces is a superior way to organize society.
You've also failed to demonstrate how eliminating women's only spaces as a concept from society, is a superior way of organizing society
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@dariocarraresi1823 Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares, it doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girl's showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You certainly haven't proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prisons, with the draft, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarships, and sports teams/leagues you deem unnecessary. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny?
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's sports divisions is a superior way of organizing sports
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's expectation of privacy in women's only spaces is a superior way to organize society.
You've also failed to demonstrate how eliminating women's only spaces as a concept from society, is a superior way of organizing society
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@dariocarraresi1823 HA! Says the guy who can't even justify his own ideological narrative as being valid, in the face of scrutiny. The world doesn't owe you an explanation or acceptance.
The world doesn't owe you explanations, or to justify anything to you, dude. Get over yourself. The only thing the world guarantees you is an end date.
You assert change is necessary, so the burden of proof remains with you to make your case. You've been failing miserably so far. You've failed to prove anything you've asserted is true, and you've failed to prove anything I've written is inaccurate or incorrect in anyway whatsoever.
Get over yourself. You're not that important to be making demands from those whom you appeal to for acceptance, tolerance, affirmation and validation. Self-entitled and snarky are a terrible way to go about trying to achieve acceptance, affirmation and validation.
You seem to be under the impression that your opinion is of value somehow... That's wrong.
Bottom line is, the world doesn't owe you, so you better learn to cope w/ adversity and rejection
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@dariocarraresi1823 I reject your cult terminology. People are not social constructs; gender identities-- Are.
Neither your anxiety about reality, your personality, your preferences, nor your fashion choices change your gender, and I suppose that might bug a group of guys like those 'women' you live with-- pretending to be Cinderella for attention, but sometimes the truth stings.
All women are born female, all men are born male (ZERO exceptions), and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, or a costume. You say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces necessarily designated segregated based on sex, as an entitlement. Not even close
Like I said, you continually and inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society), and subjective social constructs like gender identity as though they're synonymous... and they're Not.
You also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
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@TransHippie No worries... but you're the one who chose to comment on a thread destroying your narratives, while answering nothing to prove me incorrect or inaccurate. Apparently, nothing more than an opportunistic 'look at me' opportunity for you, to make a spectacle of yourself while contributing nothing of substance.
Reality highlights the absence of integrity in your claims and narratives. Your failure to answer is because you have none to give.
Not buying it. You guys keep conflating gender/sex and gender roles every time it suits you. If it were separate, why should "trans women" have access to spaces and things that are based on SEX (i.e. public bathrooms, showers, dressing rooms, shelters, prisons, sport teams and categories)??
Why conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous, when they aren't??
Why some "trans women" insist they have periods when this is a biological function stemming from sex organs they don't have; why they take cross-sex hormones and do surgeries to look like the other sex-- if these things are separate; why do so many trans activists insist that "gender/sex is a spectrum"?
Why do they care what sex is, if these two things are separate; why many of them claim they are now the other sex (female or male, which are categories of sex)?
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@TransHippie In the face of scrutiny is where it would count-- for you to establish credibility in any of your statements, and you've failed again and again and again to operate in good faith or with integrity, proving your statements to be nothing more than an 'look at me', attention-seeking endeavor, is why you're rejected as being FOS.
There is a precedent which you've established, in which no good faith encounters, or words of integrity have come out of your mouth yet, and the comments you have in writing are still visible and proving it, making it so none are expected. You've destroyed your own credibility in real time. Good Job!
You should work on your messaging and delivery because your theories are rejected as the rambling of the intellectually disenfranchised.
No worries though, like I've said before... I'm not trying to persuade you, and I don't need to receive your affirmation, approval or your participation, in order to establish my own validation. THAT's You...
Some say opinions are like @-holes... everybody has one and they all stink
Others say, some opinions are more important and valuable than others... for good reason
I say, opinions are like 0rg@sms... Mine is more important than yours, and I don't care if you have one or not.
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@TransHippie Hey, science denier-- Just saying 'trans women are women' doesn't make it reality. Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Above, I posted the definition of gender/sex and dated back it's origins to help alleviate the confusion on the facts of the matter
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong
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@dariocarraresi1823 Biological sex/Gender, there are only 2 male/female. That's it...
Gender roles are social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, and a man filling a woman's gender role, while cross dressing as a woman-- doesn't become a woman-- Still a man. Hippie incorrectly though, continually says, trans women are women--unable to course correct his thinking. You seem to have the same difficulty with reality vs social constructs
Pronouns, and the proper use of them in language, are already clearly established and defined along with the appropriate pronouns, and calling a male 'she' instead of 'he', is grammatically wrong, and objectively incorrect.
Even if a male has his genitals removed surgically, it doesn't make him a 'her'. That you need clarification indicates you're way more confused about a lot more than I gave you credit for, which was none at all, being that all of your claims are incoherent idiocy on overdrive.
You have failed to prove me incorrect, which is why your claims are dismissed as intellectually vacant
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@TransHippie All the hysterical crap you've been whining about, only exists in your imagination.
How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
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@dariocarraresi1823 Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Re: the Hillary Cass report... She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
Your argument is demolished and you have no credibility
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@dariocarraresi1823 Yes!!! Women's rights are a control on people. You object? Men don't belong in girl's/women's showers etc...
I find it curious that in that entire time no one has been able or willing to justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim.
I mean, you all are making the appeal for affirmation, acceptance and validation and don't seem willing or able to articulate anything rational. You're all hostile and engage in bad faith.
There are only 2 genders (male/female). You conflate that with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society); Sexual proclivity, preferences, personality traits and temperament etc... don't affect that at all. An effeminate dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress regardless of his persona
Your feelings aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman... It's biology and beyond your control.
Restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, women's leagues/teams and prisons are not segregated based on subjective gender identity claims-- (OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason), but on the basis of biology (Again, OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason).
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@PerryScanlon This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" are referring to subjective gender identity claims is demonstrably false dude, and carries all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of their personality-- as well.
They want to create more boxes to put people in, as they won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe they need this "freedom of expression", to broadcast what the sexist stereotypes they feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more "authentic" than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, how and what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@dariocarraresi1823
"What we found
Eighty-two percent of gender diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women and the remaining 17% were in the "other" group.Footnote 2 On average, these offenders were 42 years at the time of the study. Two-thirds were serving their first federal sentence and about half (46%) were serving indeterminate sentences.
The risk and needs characteristics of these offenders indicates that they had high static risk (91%) and dynamic need (94%) but almost half (42%) were low criminal riskFootnote 3 based on the Criminal Risk Index (CRI). Although three-quarters (78%) have a moderate to high motivation and two-thirds (64%) have a moderate to high accountability, a little over half (58%) are considered engaged in their correctional plan. Two-thirds (66%) had a low reintegration potential. Finally, responsivity issues were identified for a third (36%) of these offenders.
Almost two-thirds (64%) of these offenders committed a current sexual offence while 88% were convicted for prior sex offences. Almost all (94%) had committed their offences while living as their biological sex. The majority (85%) committed offences that caused death or serious harm to their victim(s) while 70% inflicted psychological harm on their victim(s). Examination of the victimology shows that over half were children (58%) or female (55%). One-third (33%) of the offences committed had multiple victims.
File review indicated that 70% of the offenders with sex offence histories had experienced childhood abuse and 27% were abused in adulthood. Childhood sexual (64%) and physical (52%) abuse were most commonly experienced by these offenders. Two-thirds (64%) had experienced trauma. For offenders with DFIA-R information, 60% had a history of childhood abuse.
What it means
Over 80% of gender diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offences were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female. In addition, a majority of this sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s). Most of these offenders also had a history of abuse and trauma. Due to these factors, gender diverse offenders with sex offence histories present unique operational considerations for institutional placement and correctional programming."
For more information
Farrell MacDonald, S., Smeth, A., Cram, S., Garrel, S. & Derkzen, D. Examination of gender diverse offenders (Research Report R-442).Ottawa, Ontario: CSC.
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@dariocarraresi1823 It doesn't appear to reduce the assault rates in women's prisons, and NO-- your psych disability, or gender identity claims don't mean you're a woman or should be treated as though you are.
According to a December 2016 report from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 2.2 million adults were living behind bars. According to the Biden administration-- there are currently approximately 1,300 transgender people in custody.
You're talking about .00059% of the prison population, just to put your cringe anti-woman narrative in perspective, the sentence and offense information for federal gender diverse offenders show of them- 40% are sex offenders, and 40% are serving a second or subsequent sentence, demonstrating an established criminal history for these offenders--
Also-- Almost two-thirds (64%) of these offenders committed a current sexual offense while 88% were convicted for prior sex offenses. Almost all (94%) had committed their offenses while living as their biological sex. The majority (85%) committed offenses that caused death or serious harm to their victim(s) while 70% inflicted psychological harm on their victim(s). Examination of the victimology shows that over half were children (58%) or female (55%). One-third (33%) of the offenses committed had multiple victims. I have ZERO sympathy for those people
So, pro trans policies can't be reducing the amount of violence by much, and it's my understanding that in general, sex offenders aren't treated well by prison inmates, regardless of their self perceived gender identity claims.
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@dariocarraresi1823 "If transwomen prisoners, as a category, retain what might be called ‘male pattern offending’ (i.e.: committing more violent and sexual offenses than women), this would introduce three interrelated problems into women’s prisons: the need for increased security to deal with higher risk prisoners; the increased risk of sexual violence against female inmates; and the de-prioritisation of biologically female prisoners’ needs with respect to safety, security and possible re-traumatization – particularly among those who have previously experienced domestic or sexual violence. Hence, knowing the offending profile of transwomen is critical for the safety of both female prisoners and female prison staff. This report outlines exactly this.
More than 90% (55 of 61) of transwomen prisoners were incarcerated for violent offences. Of the group, nearly half (25) had a most serious offence that was homicide related and a third (18) had a most serious offense that was sexual in nature. In comparison, fewer than three-in-10 (6 of 21) transmen were convicted of homicide related offences. This proportion of transwomen incarcerated for sexual and homicide-related offences is extraordinarily high compared to the general female prison population. This raises a number of serious questions about the relationship between gender diversity for women, violence and criminalisation.
One telling insight provided by the report is that 27 transwomen prisoners (44%) have a history of sexual offenses compared to 0 transmen. It is worth noting that 6 of the 17 ‘other’ category also had a history of sexual offenses; 10 of whom were either biologically male or legally changed their gender to male. Alarmingly, nearly all gender diverse prisoners with a history of sexual offences committed those sexual offences before identifying as trans or non-binary (31 of 33). 85% (28) committed a schedule 1 offence (that is caused death or serious harm to their victims). Over half (18) had exclusively victimized women, slightly less than half (16) committed sexual offences against minors. Just 2 had exclusively victimized men.
Earlier in this article, I noted that 22 transwomen prisoners were accommodated in women’s federal prisons in Canada. 26 transwomen had no history of sexual offending. Strictly on numbers, it is conceivable that none of the transwomen with histories of sexual offending have been sent to the women’s federal prisons. This, however, is unlikely given the anecdotal stories that have come to light since CSC introduced its self-identification policy (see rights and wrongs)."--
Jo Phoenix, the author is professor of Criminology at the University of Reading, where she researches sex, gender, sexualities and justice, youth justice and punishment, the production of criminological knowledge and research ethics. She has studied and written about a wide variety of subjects including managerialism and ethics in the production of criminological knowledge, prostitution, prostitution policy reform, child sexual exploitation, youth penality and youth justice practice and policy. Her most recent research concerns academic freedom, politics ethics and research and sex, gender, gender identity and criminal justice policy.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Not me... That you can't figure out one was from the USA and the other from Canada is a You problem. That there was even 1 assault resulting from a man being housed in a female prison, means you're wrong--- That there have been many means you're a moron if you believe otherwise.
UK article by Andy Gregory, dated 1/25/24 shows that assaults in women’s prisons triple in a decade to hit record high. With 488 assaults for every 1,000 inmates, the rate of violence in the 3,600-strong women’s prison estate – which saw a total of 1,630 assaults in the year to September – is now far worse than among men, where the rate is 40 per cent lower.
While serious violence has historically been much worse in men’s prisons, the rate in the women’s estate is now almost identical for the first time with 110 serious assaults, 39 of them against prison staff.
According to you, you claim pro trans policies reduce that-- despite the evidence proving the direct opposite of your claim
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@dariocarraresi1823 Unlike you, I don't suffer from a reading comprehension deficit, or intellectual bankruptcy. I did not make that claim. I merely pointed out if what you alleged were true, women's rates would be going down not up, and The women's rate has gone up, not down- illustrating clearly that you're wrong.
You've not proven anything I've written is inaccurate or incorrect in anyway whatsoever. You're obviously beyond triggered, as you can't accept me telling you that we'll have to agree to disagree, and you keep sperging, gaslighting, lying, and in general wasting time with a look at me attention seeking schtick which seems to be, as the goal, making a spectacle of yourself playing the part of n antagonistic fool-- stoopid ain't the new smart, and wrong ain't the new right and you can cry about it and scream at the sky while seething about the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you. You better learn to cope instead of looking for affirmation that your delusions are valid
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@dariocarraresi1823 They went up by the exact number of assault cases committed by male convicts housed in women's prisons, which would have other wise never occurred. Kinda obvious
The people who are in danger, according to you, at least 40% of which are incarcerated for sexual assault, assaulting women and children, are in danger because they're trans rather than being in danger for being male grapists, and woman b3aterz who were convicted and sent to prison, and the others aren't in there for parking violations either, so... Endangering women, under the guise of the 'safety' of men with psych issues as a priority hasn't been justified, as far as I'm concerned.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your gaslighting is Not much of a rebuttal. Society has already established and justified the implementation of that which you're dissatisfied. Your acceptance isn't required, so there's no reason to think you're owed any explanation to justify reality, and you've not provided any reason why society ought to change for you.
Not all cultures are equal, compatible nor desirable... That's why nations have borders (To maintain that which they've determined represents it's values, and to keep out-- those values they reject)
You're still gaslighting. There are no trans people, All men are born male, all women are born female and they both have access to healthcare. (Dismissed/Debunked)
Men, with non-traditional fashion choices like dresses, are not prevented from participating in sports tryouts with every other man- so that's not enforcing a gender role (Dismissed/Debunked)
Women's right to reproduce isn't forbidden (Dismissed/Debunked)... and so on...
And again, Your ultimate gaslight campaign to try to convince people that a thing that is Not-- Is, will fail, and is what's unjustified
:person-turqouise-waving:😏
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@phaneros8180 LOL... It's you and yours seeking affirmation, acceptance and validation for being something you're not. Sorry, not sorry-- rejected as invalid.
No one has proven that a man w/ anxiety about his gender (there are only 2 male/female... that's it), is anything other than a man. Got anything? No, you don't so... Let me help clear things up for you. There are no trans people... There are only males and females in the binary dichotomy of all mammals including humans.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a subjective gender identity, a social construct, feeling, preference, persona nor a costume.
In that category you call trans women, are males w/ unresolved psych issues, not too dissimilar to a male cross dresser in appearance, resembling a caricature of the opposite sex.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You need to be in a psych ward, if the amount of coddling you require involves everyone in society catering to your treatment plan under the threat of your self-deleting because you're not fooling anyone about the fact that a dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress, entitling him to exactly ZERO consideration for entry into spaces designated not for males but for females.
Clearly, your goal isn't to be correct... It's to disagree and virtue signal about your disagreement, as though it was a valid objection to maintain your incoherent delusional claims and narratives as valid. They're not
It's worthy of ridicule for being so ridiculous, and mockery for being intellectually disingenuous and nothing more than the incoherent push of the woke rainbow cult agenda and narratives-- which are in no way acceptable, or valid, and in no way superior to the long-established historical, cultural and societal norms established in the countries in which you seek to occupy and find acceptance, affirmation and validation, while maintaining your disdain for the very cultures, countries, and people from whom you seek approval. It's not rational, logical or likely.
Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why nations have borders.
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@TransHippie You made the claim that trans women are women. Doesn't really get it done, and make your case valid.
The self evident objective verifiable reality that all countries, nations, cultures and societies make distinctions and segregate males and females in prisons, regarding the draft, sports divisions, leagues, teams, showers, restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and that those who suffer with gender dysphoria are a very small minority-- is the source
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Sorry hippie-- A bunch of them are people who don't accept that the presence of males-- in their daughter's, wives, mother's, aunt's, niece's, female cousins etc...... showers, changing rooms, rest rooms, sports leagues/divisions/teams, women's shelters, prisons or any other place or organization designated for females is justified, rational, prudent, preferable, reasonable or superior, nor entitling them to women's rights at the expense of women's rights and their dismissing their objections is the ultimate form of misogyny.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I haven't seen any evidence, logical reasoning, or justification presented to suggest eliminating sex segregation with public facilities such as shelters, Prisons, schools, scholarships, grants, showers, changing rooms, locker rooms, restrooms, sports divisions/leagues/teams, is preferable or superior.
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@TransHippie They shouldn't, as they're not women. Hmmm... LOL... It's you and yours seeking affirmation, acceptance and validation for being something you're not. Sorry, not sorry-- rejected as invalid.
No one has proven that a man w/ anxiety about his gender (there are only 2 male/female... that's it), is anything other than a man. Got anything?
No, you don't so... Let me help clear things up for you. There are no trans people... There are only males and females in the binary dichotomy of all mammals including humans.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a subjective gender identity, a social construct, feeling, preference, persona nor a costume.
In that category you call trans women, are males w/ unresolved psych issues, who also more often than not choose to portray the caricature of women, not too dissimilar to a male cross dresser in appearance, portraying a caricature of the opposite sex.
Your subjective gender identity isn't what makes you a man or a woman-- it's your biology. I mean, you can choose to neuter your male dog, paint his nails, and make him wear a dress, and it won't make him a female dog.
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@dariocarraresi1823 It is you who expect all of society to change, so the burden to make your case a compelling one is on you where it remains. After all, I would point out that it isn't society looking to you for approval, acceptance, or validation. That would be you and yours, so save your snarky comments.
Realize that not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why nations have borders, which in most cases of modern nations-- reside societies who've long-established their standards, social norms and laws.
The world doesn't owe you, so make you case, and make it a good one-- because no one has proven that a man with issues regarding his gender/sex, and chooses to alter his appearance and claim a gender identity of a woman, is anything other than a man, and You fail to persuade.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, he argues that the actual switch for blacks from R to D didn't happen in the 60's, but in the 30's.
1932 Hoover got over 2/3's majority of the black vote, and in 1936 the Dem candidate FDR got over 70% of the black vote, during the time when it was the D's who were the party of segregation, and the klan, pointing out that the black switch had nothing to do with civil rights, it had to do w/ the economic benefits of the new deal, pointing out that the real switch happened not in the Reagan era, but in the 30's and was not over civil rights.
2:50 in the video he discusses why the south moved out of the democratic party that's the 2nd bogus leg of the Big Switch.
The argument from the left is because the racist Dixiecrats moved into the Republican party, and he describes how that is empirically false, that the Republican party got all the racists of the Democratic party. He explains that the Dixiecrats of the Dixiecrat party led by Strom Thurman and refers to the congressman and senators and governors who
opposed and voted against the Civil rights act of 1964, and the Voting rights Act.
He then says if you count the number of racist Dixiecrats who moved into the Republican camp, the number is precisely 2. Strom Thurman in the Senate, and Watson-- in the House, which destroys the notion that the racist Dixiecrats became Republicans.
He then points out that the historians on the left, who are cover up artists, try to do is they try to obfuscate those waters, to redefine Dixiecrats. He gives the ex. that Kevin Cruise (The historian), Jessie Helm, John Tower, and Trent Lot and D'Souza points out that those people who weren't Dixiecrats at all to muddy the waters by moving away from the simple fact that the Dixiecrats stayed, and remained and died and were lionized in the Democratic Party.
He concludes the reason the south became Republican during the Reagan years and then in the 1990's, pointing out Reagan's platform which were anti-communism, pro life, family values, free markets, and patriotism, so as the Democrats moved left on those issues-- it turned out that non-racists conservatives in the south, began to move into the Republican party. Concluding that as the south became less racist, it became more republican
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@dariocarraresi1823 Neither Lee Atwater, Ken Mehlman, Kevin Phillips, nor Michael Steele have a valid response invalidating D'Souza's analysis of the facts of history.
If the fallacy that a dude in a dress who claims a subjective gender identity of a 'woman' is a woman to you-- have at it. You can pretend all you want. I have no issue with that. If you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman, your comprehension capacity is that of a developmentally disabled chimp, and your capacity to recognize that your argument's already been destroyed, is another You problem, that I -- unfortunately, can't fix for you.
I identify as someone who doesn't have to participate in the LARP and cosplay, much less affirm it as valid. If some dude prancing around in a fairy princess costume, identifying as a fairy princess is (to you) a fairy princess...
it means you're not too bright. Happy Halloween
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@phaneros8180 No-- "The Link Between Autism and Gender Diversity, There is a correlation between gender diversity, gender dysphoria, and autism. "
Conclusion
The results of the study found that children with gender dysphoria often experience a range of psychiatric comorbidities, with a high prevalence of mood and anxiety disorders, trauma, eating disorders and autism spectrum conditions, sui~idality and self-harm. Most importantly, this systematic review found that there was no standardized approach to the assessment, diagnosis, treatment and clinical management of children with gender dysphoria and psychiatric comorbidities, including a paucity of randomized control trials, which has implications clinical decision-making.
Just calling it like I see it. You come across as an anti-religious, anarchist, bigot with no moral foundation whatsoever with your moral relativism.
You're the one with anti-religious views hating on Christians, Muslims and Jews because of their shared moral foundation and views of gender, and gender roles-- which is in conflict with your push toward hedonism, and who reject it on moral grounds.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Uh-huh. What's your point??? It didn't say anything about being the causal factor, just being associated symptoms and conditions. Get real... Your sophistry is intellectually stunted. Are you near sighted? You have a difficult time with seeing the 'Big picture'?
You either can articulate intelligent thoughts which lend credibility to your narratives or you can't. If and when you don't, either way-- you're not likely to sway the thoughts of those who the trans activists say they're wanting to appeal to for acceptance, affirmation, and validation. Brilliant You're sabotaging their agenda acting like a double agent trans activist agent provocateur.
Never mind, you're just a troll making a spectacle of yourself. I know...
You need a friend, and feel compelled to be anti-social and sow seeds of discord, acting as an agent provocateur, because you have nothing justifying any of your inane, incoherent, ideological trans-cult narratives which you advocate in favor of, as being something valid to be taken seriously by anyone who's participation is apparently necessary for it's validation.
Good Plan buddy... Your work is done
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@dariocarraresi1823 You can say that with perfect utility, but you certainly proven anything I've written incorrect here, in the face of scrutiny, where it counts. You haven't answered any of my questions because they expose your nonsense for the nonsense that it is.
Bottom line, your narratives fail because reality proves them ridiculous. Why not just make your affirmative case as to what your position is, for clarity? Answer
If biology is independent of gender, why choose the biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex? Make it make sense
Do you think trans women are women? Explain
Do you think trans men are men? Explain
Do you think men and women are social constructs? Explain
Do you think gender and sex are independent of one another? Explain
How do you differentiate gender from gender roles? Explain
How do you differentiate gender identity from personality traits and temperament sprinkled with fashion? Explain
Why do you think calling a man 'trans' woman' makes him a woman? Do you think renaming an apple 'orange' would alter the nature of an apple or an orange? Explain
Why do you think a man who chops off his bits surgically is anything other than a man who's chopped off his bits? Explain
Do you think you should affirm an anorexic's claim that they need to lose more weight? Explain
Now answer my questions for a change. Why do you operate from a position as though I am seeking validation and affirmation and therefore owe you a defense of objective reality, against your assertions which are not persuasive at all? Try to focus. You don't want rejection, then make a compelling case... that you shouldn't be mocked as a antagonistic clown, sputtering gibberish
Prove your affirmative case, or acknowledge that the notion of the trans activist cult ideological narratives are rejected for good reasons.
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@dariocarraresi1823 So using your 'logic', if you identify as a Klingon, you believe it would make you a Klingon? Did you bang your head really hard somewhere? Not very sound reasoning you've got going on with your explanations.
You think having a psych disorder like GD alters your gender? That doesn't even make any sense, unless you're operating from the position that gender is a social construct, and that's incorrect. Gender roles are the social construct, not gender itself.
We will have to agree to disagree. I don't find your explanations, narratives, or definitions reasonable. I, therefore reject your explanations, reasoning, definitions and narratives as nothing more than nonsensical incoherent beliefs. So, sorry-- I can't affirm, or validate your claims as legitimately valid.
You can change how you identify and change what you call yourself, but that doesn't alter your biological reality at all. Like I said, choosing to call an apple an orange, doesn't alter the nature of an apple or an orange, and the same is true when choosing to call a man a woman... Nope, still a man even if he really believes it
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@dariocarraresi1823 Reality shows your claims to be Totally without merit and FOS!
Why should anyone care about your subjective sense of self, which strays from objective reality--w/your insistence on grammatically incorrect pronouns, while insisting that the participation of others in your LARP and cosplay is necessary for you to be validated and affirmed as what you feel rather than what you are, as if the world owed it to you??
Trans advocates saying trans women are women, are conflating social constructs with biology thinking it's clever... It's not a persuasive, well-reasoned response.
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing.
If sex and gender are independent, why should a male/man bother altering his primary sex characteristics to mimic the primary sex characteristics of a woman?
if gender is merely a social construct, why not identify as a girl without going out of the way to alter their appearance to present as the stereotypical and objective primary sex characteristics of a female?????
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Then, quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively.
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I calmly stated that affirming and validating a delusion as though it's based in reality doesn't provide a means to develop a coping mechanism to address the adversity that is inevitable in life.
Gender/sex (There are only 2 male/female... That's it)is established at conception and is observed and documented at birth or before.
Way too many conflate gender (There are only 2 male/female... That's it), with gender roles (refer to the roles of males and females in society), and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous, BUT they are NOT.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, preference, fetish or a costume.
A man who presents with the gender identity of a woman is still a man. What's your issue?
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't.
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
So, because you have nothing else, you find yourself facing rejection for failing to make your case, and for failing to fool a man into thinking you're a woman. It's a futile effort on your part, as reality proves all of your narratives invalid
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@dariocarraresi1823 wow.... hilarious! I see you making a spectacle of yourself and it looks like a lonely and desperate cry for attention.
Just to be clear, I reject your cult terminology. Personalities vary, BUT gender/sex is binary. Your personality doesn't make you male or female or affect your gender in any way whatsoever, and neither does your attempts at cosplay.
Exposing your nonsense for the nonsense that it is, is fun. Thanks for the opportunity.
Carry on being the wrench in your own cause, against those from whom you want validation, affirmation and acceptance, by being snarky and self-entitled. Good plan! I'm sure it'll work out
A man presenting with the gender identity of a woman = Still a man
What are you talking about??
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't.
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, & cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
So, because you have nothing else, you find yourself facing rejection for failing to make your case, and for failing to fool a man into thinking you're a woman.
It's a futile effort on your part, as reality proves all of your narratives invalid
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@dariocarraresi1823 I know you are. You're terrified that people won't participate in, accept, affirm, or validate your cosplay and LARP as legitimate. Better for you to learn to cope with reality, than to pretend that the world must conform to your incoherent worldview, that reality invalidates all by itself. Anyway...
Realizing and recognizing that a man presenting with the gender identity of a woman = Still a man, and knowing that personality isn't gender exclusive, you think is evidence of fear, because... why? Ya, that's why no one takes you seriously
You really need to do better, kid. You really don't intimidate
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@dariocarraresi1823 That's my reaction, when I see you in your clown get up.
You're the ones making an appeal for acceptance, tolerance, affirmation and validation, from those who don't see things the way you do, so-- Figure something out, because what you're doing isn't very persuasive, as it's resulting in rejection.
If you don't care-- Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares, it's boring and it doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girls showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You've not yet demonstrated how eliminating women's privacy is a superior prescription for society to embrace.
You've not yet demonstrated that eliminating women's divisions in sports is superior than them having their leagues, and divisions.
You've also not demonstrated how eliminating women's shelters is a good idea
You've only been playing the role of an agent provocateur
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@dariocarraresi1823 Don't care if you do or not, just noting that you haven't, so the expectation that your narratives are deemed credible or valid is not reasonable, logical, nor rational.
You've still not yet demonstrated how eliminating women's privacy is a superior prescription for society to embrace.
You've still not yet demonstrated that eliminating women's divisions in sports is superior than them having their leagues, and divisions.
You've also still not demonstrated how eliminating women's shelters is a good idea
You've only been playing the role of an agent provocateur
Not interested in affirming your/their LARP and cosplay, counter to objective reality, as though it's based in reality.
Society has long established societal norms cross-culturally and internationally, and they aren't going to reorganize themselves, for someone who's clearly counter-culture.
It's for you and yours to find a way to operate and integrate into society. It's not society's role to reorganize itself for you, so hopefully you'll realize that you'd be better off developing some coping mechanisms to handle the fact that the majority of people reject the trans-activist ideological narratives, and to deal with reality as it is, as opposed to how you/they wished it were, which is at the root of what's lacking with GD affirmation-based treatment.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I know, the truth of reality crushes your radical activist gender ideological narratives.
The Special Olympics exists for a reason. Perhaps that's your solution. 🤔Make a trans division in the Special Olympics, and your problem's solved, on the sports front.
Regarding assimilating into the society you find yourself choosing to reside in, just remember it's not on them to deny or change their culture, social norms, traditions, or laws for your validation, because you think you're entitled to their submission, acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Newsflash: You're Not
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why sovereign nation have borders.
You never did rise to the occasion and name your preferred country, in which you'd prefer to reside. Got anything yet??
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@TransHippie Not much of a refutation or rebuttal. Your problem is-- You know so much, that just isn't so
Your trolling and incoherent, obsessive, and unjustifiable cult arguments against reality are invalid, and change nothing.
I've noticed that about you. I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
Your denial is either total ignorance, or intentional deception.
Look-- Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, you can't even explain it to yourselves yet have convinced yourselves that the feeling you have means you "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that your discomfort simply stems from not realizing that you view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what you mean, simply stating you "know" that what you feel means what you say it does, even though you can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to, or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality, as well as wanting to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@HansLemurson Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality, as well as wanting to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know my take
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Nah, they understanding the Bible- they remember, It is not loving to allow a person to remain stuck in sin. It is not hateful to tell a person he or she is in sin. In fact, the exact opposites are true. Sin leads to death (James 1:15), and we love the sinner by speaking the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We hate the sin by refusing to condone, ignore, or excuse it.
OR, they realize they're dealing with people who reject God and don't forget, millions aren't Christian-- they're Jews and Muslim, or not religious at all, mostly not knowing the Bible and outright rejecting it and it's teachings and it's God, so the religious minded realize
Matt 10:13 If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; but if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.…
And knowing they reject The Bible and God, and instead embrace their hedonism, as though they want to restore Sodom and Gomorrah, they also know, Jeremiah 7 I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brothers, all the offspring of Ephraim. 16 “As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
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@dariocarraresi1823 It is you, accuser-- who are the heretic and the deceiver. You've proven there's no truth in you. The problem with your virtue signaling, is the absence of any actual virtue. Your moral relativism has no foundation from which to justify making moral claims of superiority, from which to claim condemnation against anyone. Narcissist
God is quite clear, when discussing what a man and a woman is, clarifying that that He made them male and female, He also clarifies their purpose, and His standards for each of them... Also-- Rejecting God, Is a sin.
The definition of sin is the 'trans'gression of God's law. God has laws which pertain to only to women (Not a social construct of a subjective gender identity), separate from men, and priests, sons and daughters.
Sexual immorality and promiscuity are also mentioned as sins of the flesh.
As a matter of fact, check out Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
The problem with your virtue signaling, is the absence of any actual virtue. Your moral relativism has no foundation from which to justify making moral claims of condemnation against God's law.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I did address your point, seeking specific clarification from you. You keep saying that I want to force people to follow gender roles, and I asked you to explain how allowing a dude in a dress to use the men's room, and try out for men's sports is 'forcing a gender role', and you haven't explained that yet. Is the task too difficult for you?
Oh, and btw-- Your argument is a red herring. You Don't have to accept what society has established as societal and cultural norms; You can reject them. You can choose to live in lots of different countries, perhaps you can find one that you find acceptable. You can be counter culture all you like. You can choose to reject traditional gender roles, and choose to wear a dress as a man, and still have access to all the men's facilities and opportunities to try out for men's sports-- so no one is trying to force traditional gender roles on you.
I never used the term mortal sin-- that's a Catholic term that I don't use, but to your point, in the west countries aren't governed by religious church law, so you're again making another red herring argument, because you don't have to accept Biblical teachings, or Torah teachings, or Islamic teachings, or Scientology, or Mormon teachings, or any other religious sect's teachings etc...but you will accept the consequences and there's nothing you can do about it, when facing God. You will have no more arrogance. But ya-- you do you.
The problems for you start when you operate as though society owes you an explanation to justify it's long-established societal and cultural norms steeped in their traditions (who the hell do you think you are? The arrogance is astounding!), and it's participation and acceptance of your world view as superior somehow.
The thing is, society is also free to reject You. If you want to integrate into a society, it's for you to integrate. ex. You think that a country must use the language you use, just because you're there? HA! Adapt and learn the language or don't, but they're not going to change for you.
Rejection, get used to it
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Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... that's why nations have borders.
No one on the pro trans side has yet been able to articulate why established nations, countries, cultures, or societies and their established laws and traditions, need to change what they deem acceptable, to accommodate their feelings that desegregating the population by sex is necessary, optimal, or a requirement for them and their interests, which clearly vary from the pro trans ideology-- as though they're owed something.
Society has no obligation to alter or abandon it's established cultures, traditions, laws and social norms to accommodate their feelings
Thoughts?
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@TransHippie Like I said, you can't and still haven't. Take the L science denier-- Just saying trans women are women-- doesn't make it reality. Quit conflating science-fiction, pseudo-science, and fantasy make believe and playing dress up, with actual science
Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, and identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
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@markus10X Not much of a refutation.
I'm not wrong about the science. You are a science denier, spouting nonsense and conflating science-fiction, fantasy and pseudo-science with actual science, all the while-- having proven nothing you've claimed to be true, correct nor accurate, and have not proven anything I've written as incorrect whatsoever.
It's why your narratives are rejected as delusional madness, by those who aren't confused about reality or suffering from delusions.
Science has proven ALL mammals are of a binary sexual dichotomy categorized as male and female, and that state is fixed and permanent. Your issues with that are yours to have, but they don't change anything.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology... Trans is an anti-reality ideology though. If you could've, you'd have made your case a compelling one proving me wrong, but NOPE, not an ounce of credibility, or integrity from you or your claims.
I know the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow, just cope harder. You can dress and act however you like-- it doesn't make a trans woman a woman-- still a man, and your cosplay and LARP doesn't obligate anyone to affirm your delusions as though they're based in reality, because they're not.
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@dariocarraresi1823 What truth are you speaking about? Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively. The truth is, you're wrong and you hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving your claims false, and it upsets you that we don't buy your narratives. Your addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and your inability to prove us wrong haunts you
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is an performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about appealing to you for Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, and cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at your 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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@dariocarraresi1823 I don't need to convince you. Did you think otherwise? lol
You said, "Bottom line is: gender identities are valid (AS What???, is the question), gender dysphoria is a real condition, patients with GD deserve access to effective healthcare (We disagree on the definition of effective health care, and the claims of efficacy being justified or not), and transphobes constantly lie (What lies??) about "women's only spaces" because they want to impose gender roles on society."
How is that not you, conflating gender roles and biology???, and what is your justification for the elimination of men and women's private spaces and organizations? Do you think those organizations and places segregated based on biology, are done so because the intent is to enforce gender roles, rather than to create private spaces based on objective biology?-- Okay... Make it make sense... A man with a gender identity/role of a woman in a dress, can still utilize the men's facilities, and try out for men's sports, and sports teams, so how is that trying to impose a gender role on anyone? Hmmm???
You're conflating gender with gender roles again What's the justification for a man with a gender identity of a woman being granted access to women's private space? You still haven't provided a rational answer.
I get it... You want to argue for sport, and I'm fine with continually crushing your narratives and exposing the narratives as being intellectually vacant and incoherent madness with your cooperation, and willingness to play the part of the triggered, fool displaying an anti-social personality disorder by feeding an attention-seeking behavior, showing you desperately looking for negative attention to paint a negative picture of the trans-activist's ideological narratives, and their appeal to the masses for acceptance, affirmation and validation, by failing to substantiate anything other than the justification for being dismissed as the whinging of the unhinged. It's just so unoriginal of you. Respect is earned, not owed
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@TransHippie BS... In 2020, 511 of the 525 deaths were accounted for, and were not due to abortion bans-- leaving 14 cases out of 3,613,647 births, which is crushes your insane narrative and puts some perspective on your bogus gaslighting.
There were, In 2023: 3,596,017 births were registered in the United States.
Births rates are down, and abortion numbers For 2020, the Guttmacher Institute reported 930,160 abortions, an abortion rate of 14.4 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44 years, and 20.6 abortions per 100 pregnancies ending in abortion or live birth.
Your Math isn't mathing
More than a million abortions were provided in the U.S. in 2023. That's a major finding from a report published Tuesday by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports access to abortion.
To be precise, researchers estimate there were 1,026,700 abortions in 2023. "That's the highest number in over a decade, [and] the first time there have been over a million abortions provided in the U.S. formal health care system since 2012"
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@dariocarraresi1823 The problem with the trans narratives is the failure to withstand scrutiny, because most people don't have difficulty deciphering between reality and the trans imagination.
Respect is earned, not owed-- and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
No one has proven that a man with confusion or anxiety about his biology is anything other than a man. Got Anything???
All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume-- making the cis/trans prefix intellectually vacant and useless.
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous-- and they are definitely Not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@Fre3r I appreciate your perspective, however; I disagree with your assessment. WAY too many inappropriately conflate gender/sex (Biology--there are only 2male/female...That's it), with Gender Roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society), and Personality traits and temperament (There are a ton, and none are gender exclusive-hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys)-as though they're all synonymous, and they're not.
People aren't social constructs. All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality or a costume
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@dariocarraresi1823 You haven't mentioned that Canada's stats show a study Among the findings, showing:
— Of the 99 inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with sexual offense histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offenses were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s).”
The study also found that of the 99 gender-diverse offenders, 47% of whom were Indigenous.
Why should the males, who you refer to as "trans women" have a higher priority, than the safety of females (both girls and women)???
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@TransHippie Not in reality they aren't, only in your warped fantasy world view that pretends women aren't a biological category representing one half of the binary dichotomy of humans, the other half being men. A woman isn't a social construct, feeling, preference, fetish or a costume.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, you can't even explain it to yourselves yet have convinced yourselves that the feeling you have means you "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that your discomfort simply stems from not realizing that you view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what you mean, simply stating you "know" that what you feel means what you say it does, even though you can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to, or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality, as well as wanting to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Back at you-- that's what you're advocating for (men vs women), by eliminating women's divisions.
I know, the truth of reality crushes your radical activist gender ideological narratives.
The Special Olympics exists for a reason. Perhaps that's your solution. 🤔Make a trans division in the Special Olympics, and your problem's solved, on the sports front.
Regarding assimilating into the society you find yourself choosing to reside in, just remember it's not on them to deny or change their culture, social norms, traditions, or laws for your validation, because you think you're entitled to their submission, acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Newsflash: You're Not
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why sovereign nation have borders
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@dariocarraresi1823 You do, if you expect acceptance, affirmation and validation and anyone's participation in your dress-up fantasy.
Looks like you're giving the middle finger to girls and women and their objections to dudes w/ psych issues skulking around in their showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, sports divisions/teams/leagues.
Those places are segregated based on biology, not some subjective gender identity claim, and your failure to justify why anything ought to change, the expectation that anyone takes you seriously isn't logical, reasonable or even likely
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, a feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume.
Feel free to wear a fairy princess costume, and identify as a fairy princess if you like, but if you believe it actually makes you a fairy princess, you're delusional
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You, as a male, being overly sensitive and dramatic that you're recognized for who and what you are, and being unable to cope with the reality of the matter, is evidence of poorly developed coping skills, and underdeveloped social integration skills.
I don't care if you like wearing woman-face, and dressing in women's clothes
I don't care if you're gay
I don't care if you LARP and cosplay as a woman 24/7
I don't care if you're as effeminate as it gets
I don't care if you unnaturally alter your body chemistry
I don't care if you surgically alter your physical appearance to look like a female Klingon from Star Trek-- it doesn't actually make you a Klingon, or change your sex/gender.
Go for it... Just know that it doesn't make you a woman or a Klingon, and it doesn't entitle you to occupy spaces, and organizations designated, designed for, and implemented for women/females-- as those spaces were focused on biology, not one's feelings about it.
No one has justified the expectation that males, who make a subjective and unverifiable gender identity claim of being a woman are A) Making a relevant claim or B) are entitled to occupy spaces and organizations designated for women/females-- biology being the relevant focus and rational for the designations. So Anyone got anything?
There's no hate involved.
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@phaneros8180 Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, affirmation and validation.
The problem you have with your virtue signaling is the total absence of any actual virtue in any of that unhinged whinging.
Because you can't, won't, and don't justify the expectation that spaces and organizations designated not for males with subjective gender identity claims, rather for females based on biology-- Don't be surprised that you face rejection.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress-- That's just being observant.
Existing as yourself doesn't require others to participate in your cosplay and LARP.
Societies and the people who established them, aren't obligated to abandon their culture, morality, powers of discernment, or traditions to accommodate the counter-culture lunatic fringe minority, who seek affirmation, acceptance and validation from the very people and societies which they apparently detest, yet seek to integrate into expecting (Irrationally) to find acceptance, Affirmation and validation.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
Don't conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous-- that's an error.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
No one has justified the expectation that males w/ gender identity claims-- misappropriating womanhood unto themselves, by claiming a subjective unverifiable gender identity claim, have any sort of valid claim to access places designated for females. Got anything? Answer: No, you do not have anything other than whining.
The denial, lies and cope of the activist's narratives don't establish truth-- and they can't because they're false.
What do you think the word 'gender' in the term gender dysphoria is referring to?
It seems they go to extensive lengths to alter their appearance to resemble that of the primary biological sex characteristics of the opposite sex, which doesn't actually make anyone that sex, and then operate as though it justifies them to access to areas and organizations designated for females-- It doesn't.
Better learn to cope harder. The world doesn't owe you anything
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@diogenesofseattle2344 Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively. The truth is, you're wrong and you hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving your claims false, and it upsets you that we don't buy your narratives. Your addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and your inability to prove us wrong haunts you
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is an performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about appealing to you for Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, and cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at your 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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They say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement. Not even close
They also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
It's absurd
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@dariocarraresi1823 You like falsely stating what other people say and believe, and try to assign phantom intentions and motivations etc. for questioning your narratives, claims and conclusions, yet all the while, not so inconspicuously never proving to be relevant, you fail to answer questions, or actually attempt to justify the elimination of spaces segregated by sex.
That's all you,
I don't care about your preferred gender identity, because it doesn't justify encroaching on spaces and entities which are segregated by sex, as so far-- all your claims are at this time, lacking any justification of why you ought to be taken seriously in the 1st place.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Last thing, unless you would like to continue with answers to my questions...
Look kid, your personality and disconnect with reality don't make you a woman any more than a fairy princess Halloween costume transforms anyone into an actual fairy princess.
You can cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, and use whatever pronouns you like. I REALLY couldn't possibly care any less than I do, which is not at all.
You can't choose the pronouns others choose to use when describing some dude in a dress, as a dude in a dress, and using grammatically correct pronouns for a male as he/his, because objective reality isn't a matter of opinion.
I typically refer to people by their names though. I typically would only use pronouns if talking about you to someone else, while not in your presence, anyway-- so you'd have no idea, making the notion even more absurd than it already is.
It's when you try to compel the participation of others in your cosplay and LARP, where your problems manifest-- highlighting your self-centered sense of self-entitlement that incorrectly suggests that the world owes you something, out of obligation. THAT'S Wrong
Objective reality isn't something you'll persuade most to reject, to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality.
Seethe if you must... It won't change anything. An individual's psych condition really doesn't affect the ability of others to perceive reality at all, or the discernment of others to recognize the objectively absurd and false claims of the trans activists ideological cult claims and narratives.
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@phaneros8180 Look, they say gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, such as bathrooms, changing rooms, showers, prisons, or sports teams/leagues, as an entitlement-- Not even close. Got anything???
They also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex. Got anything??
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@dariocarraresi1823 Yes, No one has proven that a man w/ anxiety about his gender (there are only 2 male/female... that's it), is anything other than a man. Got anything? No, you don't so... Let me help clear things up for you.
You haven't justified your expectations that girls and women should be okay showering, sharing restrooms, competing against, and sharing prisons with boys and men-- if they claim to identify as girls/women, and you seem to have difficulty coping with their push back against that, when they're citing their right to privacy.
Your careless disregard of their considerations, is unchecked misogyny running rampant
There are no trans people... There are only males and females in the binary dichotomy of all mammals-- including humans.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a subjective gender identity, a social construct, feeling, preference, persona nor a costume.
In that category you call trans women, are males w/ unresolved psych issues, not too dissimilar to a male cross dresser in appearance, resembling a caricature of the opposite sex.
Not their existence, but your expectation that women should be okay showering with, changing in changing rooms, competing against in sports, for scholarships, employment opportunities, and being imprisoned with men, provided they claim a subjective gender identity of a woman, impacting their right to privacy-- when implemented IS totally unjustifiably, invalid, and ridiculously narcissistic, to act entitled to oppress them in such a way.
The inconvenient truth of objective reality just destroys your delusional abstract cult ideology and irrational claims as invalid, and ignoring reality doesn't establish the truth, no matter how many stars you wish upon.
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@dariocarraresi1823 :face-blue-smiling::face-green-smiling:🤕🥴😵💫🤤 You're reaching-- again, and your neither your copium nor your obtuse reframing make you correct. I already told you, There are no trans people... There are only confused males and females, in that category you call trans
Your denial doesn't establish truth or establish any validity to your claims, and neither do your strawman arguments, gaslighting, sophistry, nor your lies that you tell yourself and others
He said, "Trans women are women". All women are born female, making his statement patently absurd and false, while simultaneously excluding those with a Y chromosome from hijacking the claim of women's rights.
Pronouns are indeed gender based he/she, him/her.
Bottom line, you're incorrect. Seethe if you must, then just remember, your denial of reality doesn't establish truth-- no matter how much you wish it did.
It's an impasse. We disagree. I reject your narrative and deny it's validity. You fail to persuade. You're only fooling yourselves with your LARP and cosplay, and cult terminology.
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@TransHippie Where is the hate in recognizing that a male in a dress is a male in a dress, who's not entitled to be in spaces designated for women?
Where's the hate involved in asking for justification for the expectation that society indulge and embrace your lunatic, fringe, counter-culture, cult worldview, as reasonable, rational, logical, acceptable, or valid?
You should relax... You've called me every insulting name in the book, including religious bigoted comments, so you have no expectation of being treated with respect.
I get it... You're triggered and mad, that you have no rational arguments to make a coherent rebuttal to the scrutiny of your activist narratives
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@dariocarraresi1823 You never did explain Why anyone would or should then accept a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim to be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc., and
Unless/until you do-- your expectation to be accepted, affirmed or validated is wishful thinking on your part and totally unlikely, so have you come up with anything yet? That's where YOU ran away screaming
Normies are not obligated to alter their cultures, countries, societies, and traditions, or to pretend objective reality isn't real, so can feel a certain way about it.
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@TransHippie Now you want to pretend I haven't explained this to you before... Okay.
Justify your expectation that men dressed as women, insisting they're not men- rather are women, are entitled to disregard women's only spaces as a matter of entitlement because of a subjective gender identity claim, and that women should just shut up and accept that, because WHY?
Infiltrating 'women's only' spaces like showers, changing rooms, locker rooms, rest rooms, prisons or sports leagues/teams as an entitlement, and insisting women should just be quiet and accept that is the height of misogyny, being that those places aren't designated segregated based on some subjective gender identity claims, rather-- on biology. How is it not?? Got anything???
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I quoted the peer reviewed study's conclusion which determined that "Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12-fold higher su~ci~de attempt risk, than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I literally posted the conclusion which states that the rates are higher post surgery. You seem upset
Gotcha detected. Should taken the time to cure your ignorance. The peer reviewed study's conclusion which determined that "Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12-fold higher su~ci~de attempt risk, than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
"Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
These are seriously disturbed individuals who suffer multiple comorbidities like depression, drug abuse, homelessness, etc... none of it making it possible for a man to become a woman or justifying the expectation that everyone is obligated to pretend otherwise
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@dariocarraresi1823 These are CLEARLY VERY disturbed individuals who suffer multiple comorbidities including depression, autism, homelessness, drug addiction, etc...
You clearly missed it when I explained it previously, so try reading slower this time so you don't miss the big picture again.
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40% of trans people and showing their need for continued post surgical psych care. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Sui~ide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not compared to others who had traumatic ex breast removal surgery for cancer etc...
In other words they're WAY more susceptible to self delete than the general population with affirmation treatment than without ot according to Zucker's 20 year peer reviewed study showing they mostly desist being trans
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated sui~ide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
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@dariocarraresi1823 Projection is all you've done... You need to be in a psych ward, if the amount of coddling you require involves everyone in society catering to your treatment plan under the threat of you self-deleting because you're not fooling anyone about the fact that a dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress, entitling you to exactly ZERO consideration for entry into spaces designated not for males, but for females.
Clearly, your goal isn't to be correct... It's to disagree and virtue signal about your disagreement, as though it was a valid objection to maintain your incoherent delusional claims and narratives as valid. They're not
It's worthy of ridicule for being so ridiculous, and mockery for being intellectually disingenuous and nothing more than the incoherent push of the woke rainbow cult agenda and narratives-- which are in no way acceptable, or valid, and in no way superior to the long-established historical, cultural and societal norms established in the countries in which you seek to occupy and find acceptance, affirmation and validation, while maintaining your disdain for the very cultures, countries, and people from whom you seek approval. It's not rational, logical or likely.
Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why nations have borders.
You can choose to wear a fairy princess costume if you like, but it doesn't make you a fairy princess and those who think it does are delusional too.
Feel free to dress like a woman
Feel free to act as effeminate as it gets
Feel free be straight or gay
Just know that none of that entitles you to occupy the girl's showers, sports etc... because you're pretending you're one of them, or presenting as a stereotypical sexist caricature of a woman you're not.
Hopefully, that clears it up for you...
So again, what (to you) makes a trans woman a 'woman, and do you have anything to justify your expectation that everyone in society is obligated to pretend you're a woman yet???
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I find it curious that in that entire time no one has been able or willing to justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim.
I mean, you all are making the appeal for affirmation, acceptance and validation and don't seem willing or able to articulate anything rational. You're all hostile and engage in bad faith.
There are only 2 genders (male/female). You conflate that with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society); Sexual proclivity, preferences, personality traits and temperament etc... don't affect that at all. An effeminate dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress regardless of his persona
Your feelings aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman... It's biology and beyond your control.
Restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, women's leagues/teams and prisons are not segregated based on subjective gender identity claims-- (OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason), but on the basis of biology (Again, OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason).
Now you know better, and can't say no one ever told you
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No, parenting requires teaching kids how to appropriately interact with others and teaching them how to successfully integrate into society, and lying to them about something false like saying trans women are women isn't establishing any appropriate coping mechanisms to deal with adversity in life, which is inevitable.
Your morality is questionable at best. Your feelings don't change your biology, and the women's areas with which you're so obsessed with having unrestricted access, are segregated based on biology not feelings, making all the talk about your feelings irrelevant-- in no way justifying your unrealistic, irrational, illogical, and counter-culture fringe narratives and radical agenda's expectations of society to abandon it's established culture, societal norms, traditions and embrace yours as an superior alternative seems like a futile endeavor.
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@TransHippie At exposing you as a disingenuous fraudster who can't manage a civil, good faith conversation with someone who questions his claims as relevant or valid???
Nah... Exposing your incoherent madness's inability to justify your expectation that anyone affirm, accept or validate your claims as rational, reasonable, logical, or superior is FUN FUN FUN.
You have made yourself a discredited, laughing stock, with no integrity and seem to revel in, while making a spectacle of yourself, looking like a lunatic in drag. None of your antics make you or your cult, fringe outcast worldview superior or preferable.
Cope Harder
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@dariocarraresi1823 Transphobe is a toothless and useless cult term used to pretend there are other types of women, other than those born female (There isn't) and to shut down speech. A phobia is an irrational fear, and there's nothing irrational about recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress. That's just being observant.
There are no transhumans. All men are born male, all women are born female, and that state is fixed and permanent. A psych disconnect with biology, or reality, and wishing it was different, doesn't make it possible for a male to become a female. This negates all of your nonsense all by itself, established in reality. People aren't social constructs, and until you quit pretending they are like in the case of trans people saying trans women are women-- you're going to remain extremely confused and have a difficult time communicating effectively
That reality poses you and so many others such a challenge, that you/they have difficulty deciphering the differences between males and females, thinking one can become the other-- is tragic
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, and/or identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Dude, your arguments are anti-science and are rejected. Cope with that
You seem triggered that the majority of people aren't interested in participating in the cosplay and LARP, and reject your intellectual prattle.
Cope harder
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@dariocarraresi1823 Uh huh... Are you trying to illustrate why those biological men shouldn't be allowed in places reserved for biological females, and that your subjective identity doesn't affect your gender, which is established at conception via biology as shown in your example of a female/woman seeking gynecological medical services, Is not a social construct in any way, and that renaming a woman a trans man doesn't impact her biology, and proving that a change of wardrobe doesn't alter her gender/sex either?? That's what you did.
I negated all the other points too. All rejected as nonsense
People aren't social constructs, and a dude-- in a dress, with an effeminate personality, and a quirky fashion sense akin to a drag queen, - is still a dude aka cross dresser, but a dude nonetheless.
#3. So you say... That's rejected. You can dress and act however you like, with whatever sexual preferences, and it doesn't change your gender. Couldn't care less
You can choose to operate outside of what is typically considered traditional gender roles of the gender of your choice (Male/Female... That's it), and it doesn't change your gender. Couldn't care less
Quit conflating gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous. They aren't. Gender is biological, and gender roles are social constructs and if you keep conflating them you'll continue to be confused.
#4 Personality and temperament aren't gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys, and they don't change your gender either. You can identify any way you like. You can't tell the rest of the world how they must identify You.
You can choose to prance around in a Fairy princess or Cinderella Halloween costume if you like, but it doesn't make you a fairy princess and it doesn't make you Cinderella either. Couldn't care less, just know that the world isn't obligated to participate in your subjective socially constructed identity focus, and for the most part-- choose not to, and reject your counter-culture proposition to engage, and play along as though objective reality doesn't exist.
Why should women be disenfranchised, and have their expectations of privacy from the eyes of men-- be negated, with career opportunity, scholarships, student grants, showers, changing rooms, locker rooms, restrooms, and prisons-- by men (a biological category), who identify as other than the men they are???
#5 Yes, there is ample evidence that people with such severe psych issues exist, and that they commit self harm. And?
#6 & 7. Sex is in fact binary. The ignorance of others regarding the meaning of the words they're choosing to use is astoundingly high.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
#8 Reject the cult terminology. See Above
#9. Couldn't be less interesting or relevant
#10 I'm aware that the majority of those who you refer to as trans, don't suffer with GD. I refer to them as trans trenders akin to Goth 2.0 cosplay and LARP.
Don't care, it doesn't validate their claims, or create an obligation for everyone to abandon well-established cultural, and societal norms to embrace their 'preferred' alternative, and to operate as though somehow it does is the height of self-entitled narcissism.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Here's the thing-- I'm neither seeking your affirmation, nor acceptance to establish validation for who I am, and neither is the rest of the majority of the world. THAT would be YOU, doing that and getting triggered whenever someone identifies as someone who doesn't have to participate in your cosplay and LARP, as though it's based in reality.
I'm not judging you. I am however, discerning and challenging the validity of your claims, and no one on the pro trans activist side (including you) seems able to handle discussing it openly or with integrity.
I comment here, to see if I can find any signs of integrity among those of you who subscribe to and advocate your cult claims, to answer my challenges, or questions and so far-- NOPE, not one.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You had no intention to engage with integrity, or in good faith. Respect is earned, not owed and it's reserved for that which is respectable. Accepting a delusion as real is insanity and doesn't provide an effective coping mechanism, for the afflicted, to cope with reality effectively.
The thing is, it's the trans activists like you, who claim they're seeking acceptance, compassion, and affirmation from those like me in the majority, who don't buy into the incoherent ideological claims, to establish their validation, and when you're engaged in a conversation of substance, you prove yourself to be substance free, unwilling and unable to address the scrutiny-- as you've shown here, and in every conversation we've had. Congratulations... You played yourself, brah
Up your game brah... Cope Harder
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A man, presenting as, performing as, and/or identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is just a fact. There's no hate involved in recognizing a dude in a dress is a dude. That's just being observant, and since- as you pointed out gender and sex are separate, you have no justification for those men encroaching on women's spaces based on biology. Make it make sense. Don't care about their attire, or feelings. The truth is more important
Your rules for radicals tactic, of accusing the opposition of doing what you do-- are transparent, and weak.
No worries. Rejection, get used to it, if you can't, won't, or don't substantiate your claims as valid, when you're questioned about them, don't expect others to participate in your cosplay, as though it's based in reality.
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@dariocarraresi1823 When you have them saying trans women are women-- they are in fact denying biology. You look ridiculous, as you try so hard to garner negative attention for making embarrassingly ignorant and inane comments which are easily proven to be demonstrably false.
You should get a comfort pet and perhaps maybe even one day, make a friend. Your desperate attempts to get attention are only showing your lack of integrity, and bad faith character. If that's the look you're going for, you nailed it.
If you want to dress in a counter-culture manner, or in what is generally accepted and appropriate attire for the opposite sex--go for it.
That doesn't justify insisting on the participation of others, to use grammatically incorrect pronouns to describe you as you appear to the person describing you, and it doesn't justify encroaching on women's rights to privacy from the prying eyes and presence of men, in changing rooms, locker rooms, showers, bathrooms, or women's prisons- where trans women (men) have impregnated female inmates, or having their opportunities for scholarships, grants, sports, sports teams, and jobs.
You do you, just know that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress- not a woman, and his sexual preferences don't change that either. Still a man
No worries. Rejection, get used to it, if you can't, won't, or don't substantiate your claims as valid, when you're questioned about them, don't expect others to participate in your cosplay, as though it's based in reality
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@dariocarraresi1823 Sure brah... those who you refer to as trans women-- are men, and their claims of feeling like women trapped in men's bodies, and/or desire to be perceived as women is irrelevant.
Cite the source of the stat you refer to re: 50% of trans women seek any form of medical transition, and the percentage who wants genital surgery is WAY smaller.
All people are human and part of the binary sexual dichotomy regardless of their appearance or feelings about their sexual biology.
Your framing of the narrative re: drag queens/dudes presenting as the sexual stereotypical caricature of women being predators and wanting to be women is intellectually disingenuous and false. Their feelings about not being women are irrelevant-- they're simply not women, and neither are any other males-- regardless of their feelings or attire.
Re: your narrative about gay men (or straight men for all that matter)-- they simply note their sexual preferences don't alter their gender/sex.
Re: your narrative that 'cis gay men would eventually become trans women'-- wrong again, you're horrible at this. I've already point out to you that ALL men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality, nor a costume, making the cis/trans distinction entirely useless and intellectually vacant.
So, there you are-- and YOU still haven't debunked anything I've clarified for you and corrected you on your incorrect conclusions about your claims.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started. A man performing as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your 'because you said so' arguments can't escape.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “Sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder
You/They haven't put forth no reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering your/their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
Your incoherent rants and claims of legitimacy, are figments of your imagination.
Reality isn't an anti-trans ideology. Trans is an anti-reality ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective delusions are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@dariocarraresi1823 The fact is, You STILL haven't justified encroaching on things separated based on sex, as an entitlement, and you don't appear able to, mostly because it isn't.
The larger lung capacity, larger hearts, increased bone density and heat regulation of men vs women aren't equal, despite the lame excuses you listed having to do with unnaturally altering one's body chemistry, which btw-- doesn't change the physical advantages over women, and you haven't proven otherwise. Still not a justification. Try again???
Looks like that's a No-- You STILL haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Not changing the topic. I am exposing that the foundation of your narratives are as solid as quick sand. My side is saying that men aren't women, because it's a fact that they're not women-- and you agree. It's really not more complicated than that.
You seem to have a problem with that, and you've come up with some creative explanations as to what you believe their motivation is, BUT haven't justified the expectation that just because you identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
What you claim to exist as is what's in dispute, not your right to exist, or that you do exist.
If you were worried about your dignity, credibility, or making your case-- You'd prove your claims (ANY of them) and disprove those who oppose you-- but NOPE, just continually making baseless claims, and getting owned again and again only to end up deleting your comments and start over with the same baseless nonsense which has been thoroughly debunked.
Someone with integrity would substantiate their claims and disprove the arguments of those who's scrutinize them
You can't prove your nonsense is correct, because it isn't.
Seethe if you must, but your triggered hysteria and delusions of grandeur don't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, and/or identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
You can't prove me wrong, because I'm correct. Quit while you're still behind. Take the L and move on. I appreciate that you just want to argue, but you should at least make an effort to make them compelling arguments.
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@Viral9 I would only clarify and correct 1 thing: Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”)-- SO, they are in fact synonymous.
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
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@dariocarraresi1823 When talking about a group of people then, it's appropriate to use plural pronouns, ex. to describe 'them' as the group, is not singular- but plural. When speaking of an individual, it's absurd.
Trans = mockery of women
You keep alleging what others are thinking, as though it's relevant or interesting. Don't tell me what you believe others think, tell me something that justifies why Men who identify 'socially' as women or anything else for that matter (still men) should expect that anyone use grammatically incorrect pronouns to describe them or allow them in women's only spaces, that are segregated based on sex not feelings, costumes, personality traits, preferences or anything else. You have no justification for it?????
That you admit to having a limited capacity for reason and logic, it's not surprising to me you conclude the abstract nonsense the way you do.
Have your English grammar teacher tutor you on the matter of singular vs plural pronouns
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@dariocarraresi1823 Names have been in use even longer, and the words man and woman even longer still. Regardless of the use of they and them as singular, you're free to use them if you choose, but 'They' and 'them' have nothing to do with biological sex/gender.
Using pronouns, when having 1st person communication would not only be rude, it would be odd. I would instead use a name. No worries... Your personal feelings about your gender couldn't be less interesting, and your costumes, feelings and personality don't change your gender.
I'm free to choose the pronouns I choose when describing you, and your feelings and desires play no part in it.
Your belief as to why I believe what I do is incorrect, but also irrelevant. Woe, to the feminists who buy into your cult ideology, as in their near dystopian future- they'll be oppressed by tyrannical men who will identify as women-- and they don't even see it coming, and apparently neither do you. shocker
Cope Harder
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@dariocarraresi1823 No worries... Your acceptance, approval and validation were never required here dude. You failed to make a coherent well-reasoned argument that withstands scrutiny. That's all on you
I identify as correct on these issues, and identify you as incorrect on the issues- and have proven it to my satisfaction. It's the trans activists who insist that trans people as you call them-- want to be accepted, and validated by society. If you don't wish to facilitate that-- just keep doing what you're doing.
I already told you. I'm not trying to persuade you. I am enjoying exposing you and your nonsense for the nonsense that it is. You don't have to admit it. It's clearly seen by those without reading comprehension deficits.
All women are born female, and they're not social constructs (like a 'gender identity'), so the idiocy you are you talking is irrelevant and is dismissed as such. You fail to persuade that your narratives are valid.
You haven't and can't Justify encroaching on women's only spaces (sports, sports teams, scholarships, grants, locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, prisons, etc.), segregated based on sex-- as an entitlement, and You haven't even come close yet.
You also haven't and can't Justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex, so quit your whining. You haven't come close yet, and until you do, don't be surprised if you're dismissed as irrelevant and foolish
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@dariocarraresi1823 LOL! I have to say, you're not very compelling. Oh, and-- Ya, gender identities/gender roles are social constructs (I wasn't quoting you, genius), and they certainly don't justify expecting everyone in society to operate as though a man who says he identifies as a woman, is a woman. gtfoh
Like I said, I don't require your approval, affirmation, or validation. I merely gave you an opportunity to earn it, and you failed. Good Job
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@dariocarraresi1823 You keep incorrectly saying I want to enforce gender roles. Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
You're simply, incorrect in your assertions. I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man. What are you talking about?
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part?
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@dariocarraresi1823 My answer is, males and females have segregated spaces based on biology not feelings and always have and for good reasons-- and you've not presented any reasoning why they wouldn't or shouldn't. You seem to have a problem with it, making you out to be the misogynist out to infringe on women, but haven't articulated what that could be yet. Looks like it's because you hate women
You've rendered yourself irrelevant all on your own.
Why do you think the world should care about your counter-culture acceptance of it's long-established cultural and societal norms, steeped in traditions, as if you had a say? What the world's motivation to indulge your desire for it to change for you? Anything?
Seems like it's YOU trans activists who wish to integrate into society, and be affirmed, accepted and validated by society-- not the other way around (the world embraces it's long established cultures and societies and the majority of people reject your cosplay and LARP), so you better be more persuasive than you've been so far (which is not at all) if you want anyone to take you seriously, because the world doesn't owe you abandoning it's capacity to discern objective reality from the trans imagination, and pretending that a dude in a dress is anything other than a dude in a dress.
Either way, men can't become women and their subjective gender identity hasn't been justified as a reason to deny women's rights by you or anyone else.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your obtuse and intentional mischaracterizations are rejected. You pretend to act as though something other than biology, in the context of our debate-- is relevant. I say it isn't. You insist I think something else. You're wrong, I'm right so-- that's good enough for me. You can choose to invent phantoms to rage against, if you choose.
I couldn't possibly care less than not at all, about your incoherent assertions. You've proven yourself to be a creepy dude who is willing to implement mental gymnastics to try unsuccessfully, to justify being accepted as women-- and you're not fooling anyone but yourselves. You have no integrity, and your bad faith responses, avoiding answering questions, renders you and your thoughts irrelevant.
Your counter culture, non-traditional and preferred gender roles don't grant you justification to operate as though the world must grant you access to gender-segregated and designated women's only institutions or designations, because you're not a woman. It's really that simple.
Nobody cares that you identify as something other than a man. It doesn't make you something other than a man, so just stay in your own biological lane.
No-- your fashion choices are irrelevant, you can wear whatever you like, regardless of traditional gender associations-- it doesn't mean you should be treated like a woman, or that you should expect everyone to treat you as a woman because you're not a woman. Women aren't social constructs like gender roles.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I don't care how you choose to dress or identify. If you're a dude in a fairy princess costume, you use the men's room, you can try out for the men's sports teams, and use the men's locker rooms, showers, changing rooms and prisons. Simple... See?? Not trying to enforce a traditional gender role. Your subjective identity, and preferred gender identity/role are irrelevant to me. I just see a dude in a dress. You keep getting it WAY Wrong
Dudes can dress like women in the men's room if they have to use it, and there's nothing preventing it. What's the problem?
I told you, gender is biology (there are only 2 male/female... that's it). Gender roles are social constructs that refer to the roles of males and females in society, and assuming the gender role of the opposite sex doesn't make you the opposite sex- so your issue, which apparently has you triggered is unclear.
You can choose to have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon if you want to, and I really couldn't care less-- but it doesn't make you an actual Klingon, or obligate anyone to pretend that you are-- and anyone who suggests that it does needs a psych evaluation
I can recognize the differences between gender and gender roles- even if you can't, and I can decipher the differences between women from men, regardless of whether or not those men are engaging in gender non-conforming roles (Still men)-- because I'm not confused about recognizing the differences between men and women.
All the hysterical crap you've been whining about only exists in your imagination
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How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume? Answer: They not... They're still men
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you.
You can't explain or justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part, because it is.
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? Answer: They shouldn't
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@dariocarraresi1823 Last thing, unless you would like to continue with answers to my questions...
Look kid, your personality and disconnect with reality don't make you a woman any more than a fairy princess Halloween costume transforms anyone into an actual fairy princess.
You can cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, and use whatever pronouns you like. I REALLY couldn't possibly care any less than I do, which is not at all.
You can't choose the pronouns others choose to use when describing some dude in a dress, as a dude in a dress, and using grammatically correct pronouns for a male as he/his, because objective reality isn't a matter of opinion.
I typically refer to people by their names though. I typically would only use pronouns if talking about you to someone else, while not in your presence, anyway-- so you'd have no idea, making the notion even more absurd than it already is.
It's when you try to compel the participation of others in your cosplay and LARP, where your problems manifest-- highlighting your self-centered sense of self-entitlement that incorrectly suggests that the world owes you something, out of obligation. THAT'S Wrong
Objective reality isn't something you'll persuade most to reject, to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality.
Seethe if you must... It won't change anything. An individual's psych condition really doesn't affect the ability of others to perceive reality at all, or the discernment of others to recognize the objectively absurd and false claims of the trans activists ideological cult claims and narratives.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The average rate for the general population, as well as the gay population is closer to 4%-- just to put it in perspective. Studies showing a desistance rate of 80+/-% make affirmation treatment look like a net loss going by your numbers.
Also, “Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.” This doesn't seem to support your conclusions that it helps. Just saying...
SO, Is it REALLY the cause though? Evidence? Your touted low 1% regret rate, seems to make your speculation as to the cause, questionable all by itself.
Harassment, discrimination and violence doesn't seem to affect any other demographic that have experienced WAY more of it-- in quite the same proportions, so I don't think it's that.
SO, Perhaps it's caused because affirmation based treatment protocols simply don't provide an effective means to develop effective coping mechanisms to deal with the adversity that's inevitable in life, as it seems to be the obvious case? (Seems more likely to me an explanation to address the unacceptable known results).
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@dariocarraresi1823 Not focusing on 1 single study. ;)
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable
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@dariocarraresi1823 Oh-- I only get one attempt huh? Hilarious! It's not me looking for your approval, acceptance, compassion, consideration, or affirmation to establish a sense of validation-- that would be you and yours and those who advocate in favor of the trans activist ideological agenda and narratives making that appeal.
You have the opportunity to make a compelling case, BUT you seem to be going out of your way not to answer the only questions I asked, which doesn't seem like a logical approach, making you the wrench in your own spokes. Congratulations, you played yourself
I couldn't care less if you want to have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon-- Go for it, but it doesn't make you a Klingon or obligate everyone to treat you as though you are, OR you can choose to prance around in a fairy princess costume for all I care (which is not at all) and it wouldn't make you a fairy princess either nor would it obligate everyone to treat you as though you were... You'd still be a man, and as such-- you're not justified in women's only designated areas, segregated by sex as any sort of entitlement. To advocate for infiltrating on women's rights like that is totally creepy.
It doesn't take into account those who've self deleted in that regret rate stat you're so fond of, so I'm not buying your assertion.
Nonetheless-- You still haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex, as an entitlement (Not even close).
You/They also haven't come anywhere near close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though you're/they're the opposite sex-- especially after you made such a point and made a big deal about insisting that sex and gender identity are separate. It's incoherent
Such fragile people who are driven to such anxiety and nihilism by the adversity in life, can't expect all of society to accept responsibility for and agreeing to participate in their treatment, while maintaining that their affirmation based treatment is effective, AND the expectation that random strangers in society should deny objective reality to participate in the cosplay and LARP, as though it's based in objective reality is unreasonable anyway you slice it.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The thing is, It's you who are expecting the world and everyone in it to operate as though you're owed something. That's wrong!
It is for you to make your case a compelling one, if you expect the participation and cooperation of others, and so far-- You fail to persuade.
Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
Way too many (You included) conflate Gender/Sex (= Biology, there are only 2 male/female... That's it) with Gender Roles (Social Constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society). and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they are Not.
Male/Female are categories of the binary dichotomy of all mammalian species, which is fixed and permanent. That you aren't aware, is a YOU problem.
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@dariocarraresi1823 If they need THAT amount of care, that all of society needs to be involved in their treatment plan, they belong in protective custody.
All the hysterical crap you've been whining about, only exists in your imagination. You probably didn't intend to demonstrate that affirmation treatment protocols have failed to provide a means to develop effective coping mechanisms to potentially s~i*dal people, who threaten to off themselves if you don't let them remove themselves from the gene pool or otherwise permanently mutilate their normally functioning anatomy-- BUT that is exactly what you did.
How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
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@dariocarraresi1823 Helps them lose touch with reality.
If they need THAT amount of care, that all of society needs to be involved in their treatment plan, they belong in protective custody.
How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
You got nothin, that's why you're dismissed
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@dariocarraresi1823 Bottom Line: I don't find your focus or arguments persuasive, nor compelling because I'm not confused about reality.
If genitals don't define gender, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're proud of the fact that when you hear something you don't like you throw a tantrum, like a toddler. Weird Flex, but okay...
The reason Gen X didn't cancel Metallica is: Words don't hurt us. We're not afraid of opinions, or different points of view.
We're not so filled with insecurities that we seek validation through group think and mob mentality.
Look, I'm sorry that you're a product of helicopter parenting, and that because you've never faced adversity, that you fly into hysterics over minor issues, BUT-- Just because it wasn't your fault that you were raised poorly, doesn't mean it's not your responsibility to grow the F up, and learn to adult.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Why do you think I have to justify enforcing gender roles. I'm not suggesting it. Your sophistry is rejected, and negated.
Define 'enforcing a gender role'. If you're a dude with a quirky fashion sense and you choose to dress in a way that is stereo typically associated as being traditionally feminine attire-- I don't care, and your sexual preferences couldn't be less relevant either, so what in the world are you trying to say?
I'm not suggesting enforcing a 'gender role' on you, by saying you should kept you 'out' of the men's room, or for trying out for men's sports, or using facilities designated for males/men just because you don't conform to traditional gender roles. I'm INSISTING your rights to use the appropriate facilities is maintained. You're ridiculous and talking bubbles again.
That you don't see the obvious rational, logic, need and desire in society for segregating things like medical care, or segregating prisons based on sex, or segregating men's and women's sports is all that's needed to realize that your shoe size dwarfs your IQ, and to dismiss as incompetent to answer questions requiring intelligent thought.
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Hmmm...
"Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate"
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
"We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper."
What were you saying???
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@diogenesofseattle2344 Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@diogenesofseattle2344 Zucker is a member of WPATH and his peers don't agree with you.
Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
"We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper."
You got nothing but triggered whinging and confusion
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@phaneros8180 Sex/gender are synonymous, as I've already shown. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
You have difficulty deciphering the difference between gender vs gender roles, and fact vs fiction.
You've failed to justify trying to get everyone to treat you as though you were a woman, despite your biology proving other wise, while acting entitled to infiltrate women's only areas as a valid position worthy of acceptance.
Do Better
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@diogenesofseattle2344 Places where Gender affirmation is now banned, where it was not previously-- there has been no massive spike in their self-delete rates. Weird huh? It almost indicates an empty threat-- you're pushing
The peer reviewed medical studies shows they tend self delete-- despite affirmation treatment, and advocates such as yourself seem to think it indicates the treatment is efficacious, rather than acknowledging that there are other issues at play, beyond their therapy requiring my participation in their treatment, to affirm them as being something they are not.
If they need that amount of coddling, they should be in protective care, not a Halloween costume, or where their prescription is that everyone in society is required to participate in their treatment plan to affirm the delusion as real, or that it's based in reality, under the threat of self harm, as though it's the majority's obligation.
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@TransHippie Oh ya... trust the science, just not that icky biology which demolishes your narratives exposing them as nothing more than cult gibberish.
Study title: “Risk of Su~c~de and Self-H@rm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Conclusions from the studies: "Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12-fold higher su~ci~de attempt risk, than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
You don't seem concerned about this... Why don't you care about those people?
I mean, clearly you don't care about imposing on women either-- so why would you expect anyone to care about you and your concerns?
The world doesn't owe you, but you seem to try to earn the hate and then play the victim when your anti-social BS is met with resistance.
I predict that won't achieve your supposed goal of gaining support, affirmation, acceptance nor validation among the majority, who disagree with your narratives and oppose your narratives.
No worries, I already know you haven't been willing or able to engage the scrutiny in good faith, and that's fine too... Your entire existence seems to revolve around self-destructive behavior. You're the wrench in your own spokes
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@dariocarraresi1823 If I typed it every single time-- you'd say the same thing and the content would remain in good standing.
Not buying it. Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This study just published that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
"Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@dariocarraresi1823 These are CLEARLY VERY disturbed individuals who suffer multiple comorbidities including depression, autism, drug abuse, anti-social personality challenges, etc...
You clearly missed it when I explained it previously, so try reading slower this time so you don't miss the big picture again.
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
Bottom line-- d~ckless dudes aren't women never will be
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@phaneros8180 Earning the hate is counter productive, so I wouldn't expect anything less from you and your classless cohorts, who seem to enjoy playing the part of the perpetual victims.
You're your own problem and your own worst enemy. You hate yourselves and project that out into the universe, and act surprised when that's what you get back. Unreal. Totally tone deaf idiocy on full display.
Look, I don't care if you want to fly your freak flag high. Go for it. Straight/gay/woman-face... I REALLY couldn't possibly care less. That said, It doesn't obligate the world to play pretend make believe with you, and the sooner you figure out that the world doesn't owe you anything, the better.
Your counter-culture, anti-social, degenerate, anarcho-fascist-marxist proclivity doesn't create an obligation for established societies, cultures or countries to accept, affirm or validate your preferences, no matter how self-entitled you feel about it.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I'm saying, I find it curious that in that as of yet, no one has yet been able or willing to justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim.
I mean, you all are making the appeal for affirmation, acceptance and validation and don't seem willing or able to articulate anything rational. You're all hostile and engage in bad faith.
There are only 2 genders (male/female). You conflate that with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society); Sexual proclivity, preferences, personality traits and temperament etc... don't affect that at all. An effeminate dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress regardless of his persona
Your feelings aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman... It's biology and beyond your control.
Restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, women's leagues/teams and prisons are not segregated based on subjective gender identity claims-- (OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason), but on the basis of biology (Again, OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason).
Not a Good look
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@martind2520 You're triggered and seeking attention because you Don't care about what I think right? Uh huh-- Get a friend You fail to persuade
If as you believe, gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex as their blueprint for how they present themselves??? No, sorry not sorry. The cult narratives are incoherent madness.
The main problem that the trans activist ideological narratives have is that life is based in objective reality and most don't have difficulty deciphering the difference between reality and the trans imagination.
You're only fooling yourself, if you don't acknowledge the trans activists saying trans women are women. They're dudes with issues prancing around as though they're women without issues-- Still men.
ALL women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or costume. A dude with a psych issue who believes he's a woman, is still a dude.
That just how it is. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder... You're only fooling yourselves and you aren't persuading me, so you ought to move on
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@martind2520 People and animals eat them because their nutritional value is recognized.
I never mentioned the death penalty or my thoughts about it.
You're triggered and seeking attention because you Don't care about what I think right? Uh huh-- Get a friend
If gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex??? No, sorry not sorry. Your cult narrative is incoherent madness.
The main problem that the trans activist ideological narratives have is that life is based in objective reality and most don't have difficulty deciphering the difference between reality and the trans imagination.
You're only fooling yourself, if you don't acknowledge the trans activists saying trans women are women. LOL ALL women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a mere social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or costume. A dude with a psych issue who believes he's a woman is still a dude.
That just how it is. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder... You're only fooling yourselves
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing, or not. You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress is still a dude, regardless of his desire to be a woman-- he's not and can't ever be, is the point you can't escape.
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@bleepbloop101010101 You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
You have nothing justifying why your whining should be taken seriously.
You come across like a creepy woman hater, and misogynist trying to justify infringing on women's rights to designate women's only areas for themselves, as though you're entitled.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to be confusing to trans activists. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny? ANYTHING???
Be relevant for a change and make your case, if you think you can
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@artikulv731 Just saying trans women are women-- doesn't make it reality. Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
You seem to be looking for an argument, to displace your denial over a topic that's settled, where you've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality.
Seethe if you must, but it doesn't change anything. You lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that your arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Above, I posted the definition of gender/sex and dated back it's origins to help alleviate the confusion on the facts of the matter
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong
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@sweetsourorange All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, a gender identity or a costume.
Can anyone justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim???
No one on the pro trans side has yet, been able or willing to articulate anything intelligent on the matter.
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@TransHippie Says the NPC troll bot with no refutation, explanation or justification anywhere to be seen in your entire post history.
As to your gaslighting question, I am looking for signs of intelligent life and an answer to MY questions about YOUR ideological claims which seem to revolve around requiring MY participation, along with everyone else in society's participation in your treatment plan so you can feel affirmed, accepted and validated-- and still nothing from you but you making a spectacle of yourself with lies, snark, misinformation, disinformation, casting aspersions and bad faith irrational and triggered outbursts, strawman arguments, sophistry, and red herring arguments.
Now you know
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@phaneros8180 Ask your mom. Is that the best you got? Cry harder
I get that you want to argue for the sake of argument, but for all of human history boy/man meant boy/man and girl/woman meant girl/woman. Let's not kid ourselves here.
It dates back to the earliest books of the Bible where God made 'mankind' in His image, He made them male and female. The early writers understood the meaning and wrote laws for each (males and females). It's not really a question at all, with the context of literature throughout the centuries confirming the meaning and understanding of the words man and woman, male/female. All of a sudden now, people like you are confused about reality.
A man is an adult human male, woman is an adult human female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume. All men are born male, all women are born female as is every other mammalian species with a binary sexual dichotomy of 'male' and 'female'.
DNA dictates the production of objective biological differences between males and females. 100% of the population is either male or female, even intersex people. If they have a Y chromosome, they are heterogametic and male. If not, they are homogametic and female.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Do you have a scientific source? Wikipedia... Really? Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
You're wrong-- Again... I know, you're just trolling and you have admitted your intentional lack of good faith or integrity but, your nonsense doesn't make you right, and it frustrates you that no matter how much mental gymnastics you do, you're wrong. Fun stuff
I would normally recommend getting a clue, but you already know you're wrong and I'm right-- so you and your antagonistic approach end up meaningless-- like I've be saying all along
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@phaneros8180 Your hysterical claims aren't valid just because you said them or believe them. PROVE them (oops, you can't).
No one is suggesting robbing, starving or hunting the poor, or homeless. What's wrong with you? (Rhetorical) I already know the answer. You're nowhere near as smart or clever as you think you are, evident by you being totally wrong. LOL
Now, in Revealation 18:1After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2And he cried [a]mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the [b]abundance of her luxury.”
4And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5For her sins [c]have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6Render to her just as she rendered [d]to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7In the measure that she glorified herself and lived [e]luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who [f]judges her.
Jesus said in Matt 10:11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Be warned-- Matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What hate is involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress? That's just being observant.
There's no hate there.
All that is going on is your triggered response to someone who isn't buying into your incoherent, trans activist cult claims as valid, and you're frustrated that you lack the capacity to articulate anything rational in response to the scrutiny of your claims-- showing them to be invalid.
Too bad so sad... It's not a subjective gender identity claim that makes anyone a man or a woman-- it's biology. I know... you're confused and you being slow to assimilate info which crushes your narratives, is pretty evident at this point.
Seethe if you must-- Then, just cope Harder
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@dariocarraresi1823 Just remember, when you think things are against you-- it's probably You, and the world doesn't owe you acceptance.
You want to integrate into society-- then remember that it's YOU who needs to adapt. To insist that society must play along with your counter-culture position-- makes you seem overly self-entitled and ridiculous
Not interested in affirming their LARP and cosplay, counter to objective reality, as though it's based in reality. Society has long established societal norms cross-culturally and internationally, and they aren't going to reorganize themselves, for someone who's clearly counter-culture.
It's for them to find a way to operate and integrate into society. It's not society's role to reorganize itself for them, so hopefully they'll realize that they'd be better off developing some coping mechanisms to handle the fact that the majority of people reject their trans-activist ideological narratives, and to deal with reality as it is, as opposed to how they wished it were, which is at the root of what's lacking with GD affirmation-based treatment.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Check out the full article titled, "“Intersex” Does not Violate the Sex Binary" on pubmed
It's so simple... A male or a female with a genetic physical condition like being intersex, or infertility is still a male or a female, respectively.
What evidence are you relying on to establish that the psych issues of people w/ GD, is an equivalent comparison to someone with a genetic physical anomaly like someone who's intersex?
First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”, I will now provide four arguments that “intersex” does not violate the sex binary.
Tada...
If your identity is counter to objective reality, that's a You problem, when people recognize that you're not that which you present yourself as. People aren't going to deny objective reality to affirm your feelings or your subjective persona, and it's arrogant to expect that they should.
The world doesn't revolve around you, so it would beneficial for you to develop some coping mechanism to be able to figure out how to fit in with the culture, as opposed to choosing a counter-culture approach and expecting everyone to participate in your cosplay cult.
Gender: The status of being either male or female. The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@dariocarraresi1823 Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
In case anyone reading is actually interested: If sex and gender identity are truly independent, then why do trans women and trans men go through so many hoops to change their primary sex characteristics???
Well, according to the analysis, data and conclusions of the studies I've seen, Happy people aren't overwhelmingly sui~*d@l, and those who are have a psych issue at play.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
Quit whining about preferred pronouns usage, and acting like anyone should care at all, about how you identify subjectively. The truth is, you're wrong and you hate us knowing it, pointing it out and proving your claims false, and it upsets you that we don't buy your narratives. Your addiction to confirmation biased info is clear, and your inability to prove us wrong haunts you
Why would they? They don't care, because they identify as people who don't have to indulge, much less affirm, accept, or validate the intellectual pablum of the mentally, and intellectually disenfranchised, as though it's based in substance, logic, or reason.
As far as the majority of the people of the world and I are concerned, your entire 'trans gender' identity is an performance, and your ideological narratives remain hollow and less than compelling or persuasive.
The thing is, the world doesn't care about appealing to you for Your acceptance, validation, feelings etc., and it doesn't owe you it's participation in the LARP and cosplay either.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Your ideology is rejected as intellectual pablum, as objective reality proves it to be nonsense. Feel free to believe in your cult ideology, and cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, just know that the world doesn't owe you it's participation in your dress up fantasy.
Carry on, you have the right to be wrong. You're only fooling yourselves
Bro.. here’s a funny fact
If you look at your 1 percent surgical rejection rate meta analysis, you’ll see not one study actually analysis SRS (surgical regret rate) or top surgery in trans men
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
You're wrong, and your arguments are rejected. Cope Harder
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your sophistry is rejected. How about that?
Look kid, I told you already... Your personality and disconnect with reality don't make you a woman any more than a fairy princess Halloween costume transforms anyone into an actual fairy princess.
You can cosplay and LARP to your heart's content, and use whatever pronouns you like. I REALLY couldn't possibly care any less than I do, which is not at all.
You can't choose the pronouns others choose to use when describing some dude in a dress, as a dude in a dress, and using grammatically correct pronouns for a male as he/his, because objective reality isn't a matter of opinion.
I typically refer to people by their names though. I typically would only use pronouns if talking about you to someone else, while not in your presence, anyway-- so you'd have no idea, making the notion even more absurd than it already is.
It's when you try to compel the participation of others in your cosplay and LARP, where your problems manifest-- highlighting your self-centered sense of self-entitlement that incorrectly suggests that the world owes you something, out of obligation. THAT'S Wrong
Objective reality isn't something you'll persuade most to reject, to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality.
Seethe if you must... It won't change anything. An individual's psych condition really doesn't affect the ability of others to perceive reality at all, or the discernment of others to recognize the objectively absurd and false claims of the trans activists ideological cult claims and narratives.
So far-- You fail to persuade or compel participation
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@dariocarraresi1823 See, the thing is this, society at large doesn't need to justify anything, as it is not society -- who is seeking your acceptance, affirmation, approval, consideration or understanding, in order to achieve a sense of validation regarding it's long-established cultural and societal norms. Try to focus.
That would be YOU and yours who are seeking to integrate into the rest of society, who already have established long-standing and accepted societal norms unto themselves, so it's for you to be a hell of a lot more persuasive than you've been here with me or anyone else I've seen you converse with, to convince the world to deny objective reality and participate in your cosplay and LARP as though it's based in reality.
Asking how 'men, claiming to be women', justifies those men infringing on women's rights to establish their own 'women's only' spaces, as though it's an entitlement isn't misogynistic on my part. The expectation by those men, like you, that act as though it's your entitlement however, IS.
Your sophistry is rejected. Your narratives are fabricated nonsense, designed apparently to maintain the ability to paint yourself as a victim.
You on the other hand, have no problem stepping on women's rights, and advocating that other males do as well. That's misogyny any way you look at it.
Your bad faith is obviously intentionally planned. Now you know another reason why you're not respected, accepted, or validated as genuine-- and why your ideological claims are rejected by most.
Queer people have the same right to use the appropriate restroom as straight people do, and I no one has ever suggested otherwise.
If you're a male, regardless of fashion preferences, personality traits and temperament-- you have the same right to use the men's room as any other male, and the same right to try out for men's sports teams, etc. as the teams and leagues are segregated based on biological sex/gender, not feelings
If you're a female, you have the same right to use the women's room, locker rooms, showers, etc., as any other woman and I don't think anyone has ever suggested otherwise. Your claim that anyone wants queer people segregated from 'society' is baseless crap.
You have failed to justify Anything and EVERYTHING about why your ideological narratives suggesting biological males ought to ever be considered women, let alone taken seriously and treated as though they are women, should or would be validated.
As predicted-- You have no justification for your narratives, and you have failed to prove anything I've written incorrect or inaccurate so-- you have no expectation to be taken seriously by anyone.
You can have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon if you choose (I couldn't possibly care less), but it doesn't make you an actual Klingon-- and anyone who suggests it does is intellectually bankrupt.
That said, All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, personality trait or costume.
Cope Harder-- You lost the argument, fail to persuade and failed use to opportunity to make your case a reasonable one. Good Job
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're the one operating on the presumption that you're entitled to infringe on women's rights to establish women's only spaces and organizations, not me.
Also, I wasn't relying on only 1 study. ;)
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Followed trans woman for 20 years and 88 percent desisted. It was just confirmed in another 15 year study.
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month, which I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Just sayin... The results don't seem very good from what I see
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@GLITCHYORSOMETHINGIDK You don't get to infringe on those women's rights to establish women's only spaces or organizations like sports teams/leagues, or insist on men being granted access to women's prisons (because that would be a problem huh?... C'mon) etc. either. Your rights end where other's rights begin.
Advocating to grant males (as an entitlement) access to female only spaces like restrooms where little girls may be, showers, changing rooms, locker rooms, sports teams/leagues, and prisons-- is creepy as hell, and so far, no one including you has justified it.
I never considered that... Perhaps they are misogynists-- yes, perhaps self-loathing or perhaps just short sighted. Woe to the feminists who go along with this incoherent ideology, as in their near dystopian future-- they'll be oppressed by men who will claim to be women, and they don't even see it coming.
It is for you to make your case a compelling one, if you expect the participation and cooperation of others, and so far-- You fail to persuade.
Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
Way too many (You included) conflate Gender/Sex (= Biology, there are only 2 male/female... That's it) with Gender Roles (Social Constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society). and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they are Not.
Male/Female are categories of the binary dichotomy of all mammalian species, which is fixed and permanent. That you aren't aware is a you problem.
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@dariocarraresi1823 All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, or costume making the use of cis/trans intellectually vacant. Trans women are men by another name.
What are you talking about?? You do realize that the word 'woman' refers to biology-- specifically the stage of human sexual development addressing females reaching the age of adulthood, don't you? I ask, because you seem really confused.
Objective reality presents your narratives with fatal problems. People with a psych disconnect with reality such that they suffer severe anxiety about their biology and wishing it were different, and identifying as though they're the opposite sex, aren't the opposite sex-- EVEN IF they get top and bottom surgery, they're still males/men. Men can't become women, and vice versa.
Your 'because you said so standard', doesn't have the persuasive power you seem to think it does.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Well, I provided the definitions (Yes, I remember) and they seem to confuse you for some unknown reason (I submit because there are none so blind as those who would not see-- but I digress). It appears you do conflate gender/sex, gender roles, gender identity, personality traits and temperament as though they're synonymous, and they're not.
You seem to also seem really confused about the differences between males and females, fact v fiction, and the differences between science, pseudo science and science-fiction.
Not a shocker for a group of misogynistic guys, prancing around dressed up like Cinderella, convinced the world owes it to them to participate in their cosplay and LARP, as a matter of self-entitlement to be treated as though they're the opposite sex.
I also already explained to you that I'm not trying to enforce gender roles, whatever that means. I don't care if you as a male wear a dress, wig, makeup, heels and sachet to your hearts content. I REALLY couldn't care less, and in that attire you're welcome and in fact encouraged to use the men's restroom without discrimination, and try out for any male sports team you like, use any men;s locker rooms, showers, etc. How is that enforcing gender roles???
Just STOP IT! Get some Help
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@dariocarraresi1823 Says the creepy groomer, pushing an agenda. You fail to make a compelling case, and so your conclusions are rejected as invalid.
Helps them lose touch with reality.
If they need THAT amount of care, that all of society needs to be involved in their treatment plan, they belong in protective custody.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
Having no responses-- you are dismissed as less than useless
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@dariocarraresi1823 How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are human females, who've reached the age of adulthood, not some subjective social construct, identity, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume?
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything???
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary?
If genitals don't define gender, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature (using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post) -- affirm it?
You have been rejected, and you inability to answer my questions here exposes the idiocy of your narratives clearly, to those without massive intellectual deficits.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your narratives have all been negated and debunked. Cope Harder
You said gender identity and sex were separate, so Justify encroaching on women's only spaces (locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, prisons, etc.), segregated based on sex-- as an entitlement, because, You haven't even come close yet.
Justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex, and treat them as though they're women, justifying the use of bastardizing the English language with grammatically incorrect pronouns-- or quit your whining. You haven't come close, and you can't, because it's ludicrous nonsense.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Ya, that doesn't justify anything dude. Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case. That's on you, for running from answering questions, and the opportunity to justify your expectations. Not all cultures are equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why sovereign nations have borders. Just sayin....
If you're an effeminate dude with a quirky fashion sense and you choose to dress in a way that is stereo typically associated as being traditionally feminine attire-- I don't care, and your sexual preferences couldn't be less relevant either, so what in the world are you trying to say?
I'm not suggesting enforcing a 'gender role' on you, by saying you should be kept you 'out' of the men's room, or for trying out for men's sports, or using facilities designated for males/men just because you don't conform to traditional gender roles. I'm INSISTING your rights to use the appropriate facilities is maintained, regardless of your personality traits, temperament, or non-traditional fashion choices. You're still talking bubbles.
That you don't see the obvious rational, logic, need and desire in society for segregating things like medical care, or segregating prisons based on sex, or segregating men's and women's sports is all that's needed to realize that your shoe size dwarfs your IQ, and to dismiss as incompetent to answer questions requiring intelligent thought.
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@dariocarraresi1823 What DO they do, to justify being treated as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? Answer: Not a thing
Roll back? LOL You're the one trying to resurrect Babylon, and Sodom and Gomorrah you degen
I'm not suggesting enforcing a 'gender role' on you, by saying you should be kept you 'out' of the men's room, or for trying out for men's sports, or using facilities designated for males/men just because you don't conform to traditional gender roles. I'm INSISTING your rights to use the appropriate facilities is maintained, regardless of your personality traits, temperament, or non-traditional fashion choices. You're still talking bubbles.
YOU are trying to force gender roles on society that trample on women's rights, that are rejected by the vast majority, so the burden of proof remains on you to make a compelling argument to be considered and validated, and you are failing hard and you have no moral ground to stand on
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your failure to acknowledge the reasons for society segregating men and women's sports, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and medical care doesn't negate it's purpose, or establish why your desire to eliminate that is preferable to you, and it definitely doesn't explain why others should validate your reasoning as sound.
Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case. That's on you, for running like a coward, from answering questions, and the opportunity to justify your expectations to be treated by all of society as like a subjective gender identity, disconnected from reality.
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@loveisthekey7 Just saying trans women are women-- doesn't make it reality. Female is a biological category referring to one half of the sexual/reproductive binary dichotomy of ALL mammals, and Male is the other half.
Many seem to be looking for an argument, to displace their denial over a topic that's settled, where they've been proven wrong and dismissed with cause-- by reality, and have lost this debate before it started.
A man, presenting as, performing as, identifying as a woman doesn't then become a woman, is a reality that the arguments can't escape.
Gender/sex = biology, there are only 2 male/female...that's it.
Gender roles= social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society, which don't change anyone's gender. A dude in a dress is still a dude.
I mean, a dude can dress in a fairy princess Halloween costume if he chooses, but it doesn't actually make him a fairy princess and it doesn't obligate everyone in society to pretend that he is.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs.
Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong
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@catsmom5m0r You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
You have nothing justifying why your whining should be taken seriously.
You come across like a creepy woman hater, and misogynist trying to justify infringing on women's rights to designate women's only areas for themselves, as though you're entitled.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to be confusing to trans activists. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny? ANYTHING???
Be relevant for a change and make your case, if you think you can
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@TransHippie Note the NPC troll bot, who is Ashamed of nothing, Offended by everything, and who takes zero accountability for anything, whining about hate speech, while hypocritically calling out false accusations while using hate speech toward those who challenge his incoherent narratives, by calling them notc's, fascists, _ phobes, etc... It's why Trump won
Congratulations, you played yourself again :text-green-game-over:
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@TransHippie You can't help yourself huh? You are Yorick, mad, obsessed, triggered, and without any arguments to justify your invalid assertions, as reasonable, or rational, or true. Your projection is obvious to everyone but you, because you're clueless
Males wishing they were females/women, and having anxiety about being the opposite sex/gender, doesn't make it so; They are still males.
Expecting society to pretend they are women and that they're entitled to be treated as though they're women-- and as such are entitled to occupy women's only spaces and organization has not been justified.
Now you know better
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You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
It comes across like a creepy woman hater, and misogynist trying to justify infringing on women's rights to designate women's only areas for themselves, as though you're entitled.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to be confusing to trans activists. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny? ANYTHING???
Be relevant for a change and make your case, if you think you can
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Such as??? A personality and disconnect with reality doesn't make you a woman any more than a fairy princess Halloween costume transforms anyone into an actual fairy princess, but they incorrectly operate as though it does. Make it make sense
Give me anything proving that a man, regardless of his severe anxiety about the reality of his biology, or wishing reality was different, is anything other than a man.
There are no trans humans. Humans are male or female... That's it. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, fetish, feeling, preference or a costume.
They can cosplay and LARP to their heart's content, and use whatever pronouns they like. I REALLY couldn't possibly care any less than I do, which is not at all.
It's when they try to compel the participation of others in their cosplay and LARP, where their problems manifest-- highlighting their self-centered sense of self-entitlement that incorrectly suggests the world owes them something out of obligation, like denying objective reality proving their claims to be delusional. THAT'S Wrong
Seethe if they must..., and they do-- It won't change anything. Their psych conditions really don't affect reality at all, or the discernment of others to recognize that reality recognizes and proves their claims to be absurd.
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@HansLemurson Any Evidence to support your assertion?
Canada's stats show a study Among the findings, showing:
— Of the 99 inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with sexual offense histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offenses were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s).”
The study also found that of the 99 gender-diverse offenders, 47% of whom were Indigenous.
Why should the males, who you refer to as "trans women" have a higher priority, than the safety of females (both girls and women)???
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Okay, Gender is established at conception, and observed at birth or before. No, gender is not an internal experience. Masculinity/femininity/body language (Personality and Temperament), Fashion, voice (Neither are gender exclusive).
Neither your demeanor, nor your internal feelings are what define your gender nor do they make you a woman or a man-- it's your biology that does that.
Gender: The status of being either male or female.
The entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. ;)
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous and they are not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender- due to GD- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
No one has put forth any reasoning that withstands scrutiny, rendering their narratives and opinions as less than useless and therefore invalid.
'Trans' is an anti-reality cult ideology, and they're the ones seeking affirmation, validation, and the participation of everyone in their larp and cosplay, based on the belief that their subjective claims are based in reality. Newsflash: They aren't
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@TransHippie You're not a captive... and are free to relocate to the country of your preference, aren't you? I mean, not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable-- like you and your anti-social, counter-culture, cult find traditional western values repugnant-- you too are rejected.
You're a triggered, creepy weirdo dude, trying to claim getting in the girl's showers, by claiming a subjective, unverifiable, gender identity of a girl makes him entitled--
Newsflash: It doesn't
Your self-entitlement is off the charts. You're not entitled to everyone in society participating in your affirmation treatment program. If you need that level of coddling, you belong in an asylum-- not in the girl's showers
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@ because it is a form of government, just not the form of government in the United States. We are a constitutional republic according to the authors of the constitution if we can keep it.
“I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.” John Adams
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@TransHippie Not much of a rebuttal. The problem with the trans narratives is the failure to withstand scrutiny, because most people don't have difficulty deciphering between reality and the trans imagination.
Respect is earned, not owed-- and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
No one has proven that a man with confusion or anxiety about his biology is anything other than a man. Got Anything???
All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume-- making the cis/trans prefix intellectually vacant and useless.
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous-- and they are definitely Not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@diogenesofseattle2344 I didn't ask what you said. I saw what you wrote. I asked you to explain what you said.
A phobia is an irrational fear or dislike and there's no fear or dislike involved in observing that a dude in a dress is a dude. That's just being observant.
You aren't presenting any threat to men out there for them to fear. Your misogynistic ideology is an anti-woman ideology, as I see it.
Woe to the feminists who buy into your tripe, as in their near futures, they'll be oppressed by tyrannical men claiming to be women.
I looked at the mirror on the wall and the angle was such that it showed a reflection of a white adjacent wall, indicating there are no 'transphobes', which goes along with what I wrote about there only being 2 genders male/female which are established at conception and remains unchanged.
Reality check shows: There are no trans people. Reality doesn't change because you have a problem with your perceptions of reality, your feelings or your wardrobe do they? Answer: No, they don't
Transphobe is an activist cult term with no teeth, used to shut down speech, and to pretend that there is another kind of woman other than those born female, BUT there isn't.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You say false, but haven't proven your claim.
Female humans have XX chromosomes are are homogametic, while males have XY chromosomes and are heterogametic, and In humans, the presence of the Y chromosome is responsible for triggering male development; in the absence of the Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development. but you knew that already, because I already explained it.
Gender identity is a performative social construct, altering gender in no way whatsoever.
btw, Biology hasn't existed as a field of study, for millennium, but men and women with psych issues have. Looks like you're conflating them. Either way.... You're still wrong
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@TransHippie I get it... You want to argue for sport. That's fine... You have no valid argument so far. Try harder
There is no such thing as trans gender. All mammalian species are of a binary sexual dichotomy of male and female, respectively and that state is fixed and permanent, including with humans.
Your subjective gender identity isn't what makes anyone a man or a woman-- that's DNA/biology which determines gender. Transgender is a term used by radical ideologues, which is a social construct, which in no way affects anyone's biology.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither is a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality trait or temperament, a preference or a costume, and neither become the other with a subjective gender identity claim and/or LARP or cosplay. Your entire narrative is incoherent, of course, you know and admit you're only trolling for sport-- trying to make the most absurd strawman arguments as possible, while you gish gallop all your sophistry and with all of that-- for what? tp still be wrong, as though stoopid is the new cool.
You need to make a friend
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@dariocarraresi1823 Weird... That's how the DSM defines their condition.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
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@TransHippie Not a persuasive argument. Yours is the unhinged swan song of the DSM fringe, lunatic cult's agenda and narrative.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
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Why would/should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc.??? Looks like misogyny of entitled males infringing on females... How is it not?
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@TransHippie Your subjective gender identity doesn't make anyone a man or a woman-- it's biology.
Incoherent, obsessive cult arguments promoting that they do-- are invalid, and change nothing.
I think it's humorous when someone says sex and gender are different, as if that doesn't make the narrative even more absurd. People aren't social constructs. Trans however, is a social construct, and doesn't alter anyone's gender/sex, so the saying trans women are women is just wrong.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female. Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
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@TransHippie Again, demonstrating your total lack of substance. There are none so blind, as those who would not see. You're not fooling anyone, but perhaps yourself.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
Pro trans activists seem to want a term to reflect aspects of your personality-- as well, they want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view they have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity or self-perceptions in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@TransHippie There's no need to coerce reality to 99.4% of the population, and a reason why the other .6% are listed in the DSM.
The Confirmation bias information, only from those activists who profit from the life time treatment of people, share the ethics of Dr. Frankenstein making a pitch to justify creating his monster in mass, are those who you seem willing to acknowledge-- with no rational reasoning for addressing their peers and expert doctors and scientists who denounce affirmation-based treatment protocols and their rational and conclusions.
The result of affirmation based treatment is horrifically bad and totally unacceptable. If a v@ccxs had those results, they'd be banned over night.
AND...
NONE of it justifies the expectations that males, claiming a gender expression, and gender identity of a woman, should be entitled to occupy spaces designated to, designed for, implemented for, and intended for women specifically-- based on their biology, to the exclusion of men based on their biology.
You've lost every argument thus far.
Congratulations Sparky! You fail to persuade
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@dariocarraresi1823 To answer your question: I couldn't care less about your cult terminology or what you call them, any more than I would care what the words you used if they were in a different language. If you choose to call an apple a lemon, it doesn't alter the nature of what is an apple or the lemon.
Look, Gender is established at conception, and observed at birth or before. No, gender is not an internal experience, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Gender Roles are social constructs that when you ex. reject the established gender norm, like a man wearing a dress and woman-face, that in no way address the expectation that everyone in society needs to participate in fostering a delusion that it somehow makes a he a she, invalidating women's rights, in the process-- by suggesting that men are now considered women. It's absurd
Masculinity/femininity/body language (Personality and Temperament), Fashion, voice (None of that is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and neither are what constitutes a male or a female.
Neither your demeanor, nor your internal feelings are what define your gender, nor do they make you a woman or a man-- it's your biology that does that.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I quoted the peer reviewed study's conclusion which determined that "Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12-fold higher su~ci~de attempt risk, than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@dariocarraresi1823 These are CLEARLY VERY disturbed individuals who suffer multiple comorbidities including depression, autism, etc...
You clearly missed it when I explained it previously, so try reading slower this time so you don't miss the big picture again.
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're just projecting again. I find it curious that in that entire time no one has been able or willing to justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim.
I mean, you all are making the appeal for affirmation, acceptance and validation and don't seem willing or able to articulate anything rational. You're all hostile and engage in bad faith.
There are only 2 genders (male/female). You conflate that with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society); Sexual proclivity, preferences, personality traits and temperament etc... don't affect that at all. An effeminate dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress regardless of his persona
Your feelings aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman... It's biology and beyond your control.
Restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, women's leagues/teams and prisons are not segregated based on subjective gender identity claims-- (OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason), but on the basis of biology (Again, OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason).
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@dariocarraresi1823 Look, I don't buy into your narratives.
Not buying it, at all. CLEARLY the peer reviewed studies of the medical professionals don't validate your claims as accurate or true.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Zucker is a member of WPATH and his medical professional peers seem to disagree with your assessment. Here's their open letter supporting Kenneth Zucker-- invalidating your claims
"Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper."
Bye
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@dariocarraresi1823 That's not a world view issue. Time will tell what he delivers, will it not?
Biden delivered the war, not Trump. Putin echoes Trump’s claim that conflict in Ukraine could have been avoided had he been in office.
I get why you're trying to change the topic... You've lost all the other debates on the transmania front.
Reproductive rights... highlighting the difference between wait for it... the biological differences between males and females. Get a clue
Biden’s assault on plentiful and reliable American energy through impossible, unnecessary, and illegal regulatory demands have driven up the cost of transportation and manufacturing.
Biden’s war on energy has been a war on American consumers. American households are paying an average of $1,200 more per year in energy costs under President Biden’s policies. Since he took office, total energy costs rose by 36%, gasoline rose 41%, home energy costs rose 30%, electricity bills rose 29%, and gas bills rose 34%.
After averaging just $2.77 per gallon under President Trump, and a price of $2.33 upon leaving office, the price of gasoline skyrocketed under President Biden, reaching $3.33 a year later. It went on to reach a peak at $5.00 per gallon and remains elevated today.
The unlawful regulatory mandate on companies to eliminate gas-powered vehicles has resulted in artificial price increases in order to subsidize electric vehicles, largely disfavored by consumers.
Your analysis is rejected, along with your narratives
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@Moszan Spare us... The problem with your virtue signaling attempt, is the absence of any actual virtue.
You don't seem to have a problem with women's only spaces like showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons and organizations like sports leagues/teams being infiltrated by men claiming to be women-- and claiming to be entitled so women should just shut up and accept that, affirm it or validate it as though it were rational or reasonable.
Do you think those places are designated segregated based on subjective gender identity claims or perhaps they're based on biology?
What does the word gender in term gender dysphoria refer to, according to you?
They said gender and sex are separate, so...
If, according to you-- genitals don't define gender, and gender and sex are separate, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're not a fairy princess because you identify as one, and dress in the costume.
Make it make sense
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@TransHippie You said gender identity and sex were separate, and you've claimed trans women are women. All women are born female, and they're not social constructs (like a 'gender identity'), so what are you talking about?
Justify encroaching on women's only spaces (sports, sports teams, scholarships, grants, locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, prisons, etc.), segregated based on sex-- as an entitlement, because, You haven't even come close yet.
Justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex, or quit your whining. You haven't come close yet
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@dariocarraresi1823 Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
A dude in a dress, who's chosen to surgically alter his anatomy, is still a dude-- He's just a dude who's chosen to remove himself from the gene pool, and have properly functioning organs rendered no longer functioning.
They're only kidding themselves when they don't acknowledge that the trans activist narratives include the notion that a trans woman is a woman, is objectively just false/wrong.
The problem with the trans activist's narratives are that life is based in objective reality, and the vast majority of people don't have difficulty deciphering the differences between reality and the trans imagination, and they aren't willing to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality
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@dariocarraresi1823 Can't answer, and chose the cowardly route huh? Tell yourself whatever you want. My feelings are irrelevant. Your sophistry not withstanding the not so inconspicuous absence of your answer to my questions. You're exposed like the emperor with no clothes. Your integrity, and credibility is zero. You're only fooling yourself.
You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification of human development that is unique to the female half of the binary sexual dichotomy of male and female for all mammals.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you. Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy??? Well.... ???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part? Anything??? Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and... Dodge, avoid answering at all costs. If you had any integrity and were conversing in good faith, you'd answer and would have to concede that you can't justify it at all. No one, including you- has made a compelling case yet. You want, affirmation, acceptance, and validation-- Then you need to do better
Your gender identification and the role you choose to play doesn't make a male a female, or justify why the expectation that he ought to be treated as though he's the opposite sex.
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? No one has made a compelling case yet. You want respect, you're going to have to earn it. You want, affirmation, acceptance, and validation-- Then you need to do better. If you can't make your case, why would anyone take you seriously, and why would you expect them to?
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your choice to remain irrelevant is fine with me.
What you're doing isn't working for you. I only had 3 questions, all of which seem to be so terrifying to you, that you can't/won't answer- knowing it exposes you as nothing more than an activist agent provocateur, who can't explain why anyone ought to take you seriously, or justify your claims as valid-- because they're not.
You already lost this argument before it started, and your admission isn't required. LOL
Opinions...
Some say, 'opinions are like a-h0les... everybody has one and...'
Others say, 'some opinions are more valuable than others' (and with good reason-- they're correct)
I say, 'opinions are like 0rg@sms... mine is more important than yours, and I don't care if you have one or not'
Respect is earned not owed, so if you expect it-- you better do something to earn it, or don't be surprised that you're dismissed and rejected like your ideology, which is proven wrong by objective reality-- regardless of your acknowledgment.
Seethe if you must, then just cope harder. You're terrible at this, unless your goal is to make trans people look like misogynistic, fools who can't justify their expectations to be accepted, affirmed or validated by the majority of people in various cultures, and societies, globally-- as anything other than unhinged lunatics... If that's your goal you're nailing it!
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@dariocarraresi1823 If creepy is the look you're going for, you couldn't have nailed it better than by advocating in favor of men encroaching on and infringing on women's rights and gender segregated women's only spaces like prisons, showers, bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, etc. Then you're are nailing it! A creepy woman hating trans activist is a terrible look for you, if acceptance, compassion, affirmation or validation is the goal imo, but ya-- you do you. I'm sure it'll work out great. lol
You appear incapable of following the plot. No one cares about your preferred gender role, or your desire to be fashionably edgy.
If your biology is male, you have no justification infringing on women's only designated places. Feel free to prance around dressed as a fairy princess if you desire, but I doesn't make you a fairy princess, and you've failed to make a case justifying why you ought to be treated as one.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The answer to your question is literally in the comment directly above yours. Infringing on women's rights to establish for themselves, privacy from men, in gender segregated women's only spaces, that women/girls desire for themselves like: showers, bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, etc. Your desire to infiltrate those areas is creepy as hell dude.
The reasons for segregating based on sex are already established and clearly necessary. Women established their choice to remain outside of the prying eyes of men, and exercise their right to privacy, and in the case of prisons it's pretty damned obvious for the reasons to segregate men and women. You've not presented any reason to suggest why women should be denied their rights to establish women's only areas.
Gender (There are only 2 male/female... that's it) is established at conception via DNA, and is observed and documented at birth or before, and is biological, not a social construct.
Gender roles are social constructs that refer to the roles of males and females in society.
Gender is synonymous with sex. They both come from the Latin. I already explained that for you. Knock it off.
Your choice to argue is clear. The problem you have is you're wrong, unjustified, and your intentional sophistry doesn't/won't justify condoning men infringing on women's freedom and liberty to choose to designate and establish their own, self-segregated women's only locations, where men aren't allowed. What's wrong with you?
You can rename an apple a coconut, but it doesn't alter the nature of the apple, or the coconut, and likewise renaming a man 'trans woman' doesn't alter the nature of the man either. Still a dude
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your obtuse and intentional mischaracterizations are rejected. You pretend to act as though something other than biology, in the context of our debate-- is relevant. I say it isn't. You insist I think something else. You're wrong, I'm right so-- that's good enough for me. You can choose to invent phantoms to rage against, if you choose.
I couldn't possibly care less than not at all, about your incoherent assertions. You've proven yourself to be a creepy dude who is willing to implement mental gymnastics to try unsuccessfully, to justify being accepted as women-- and you're not fooling anyone but yourselves. You have no integrity, and your bad faith responses, avoiding answering questions, renders you and your thoughts irrelevant.
Your counter culture, non-traditional and preferred gender roles don't grant you justification to operate as though the world must grant you access to gender-segregated and designated women's only institutions or designations, because you're not a woman. It's really that simple.
Nobody cares that you identify as something other than a man. It doesn't make you something other than a man, so just stay in your own biological lane.
No-- your fashion choices are irrelevant, and you Can wear whatever you like, regardless of traditional gender associations-- it doesn't mean you should be treated like a woman, or that you should expect everyone to treat you as a woman, because you're NOT a woman. Women aren't social constructs like gender roles.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No-- Your narratives have all been demolished thoroughly. Your attempt to pretend that which is not, is-- doesn't make you smart or correct or prove me wrong.
You conflate science with science-fiction and pseudo-science and conflate gender w/ gender roles, personality traits and temperament as though they're synonymous-- and they aren't.
You have still not justified the expectation that males making a subjective and unverifiable gender identity claim and calling themselves 'trans' women, are entitled to be in the girl's shower and unless and until you do-- the expectation that anyone ought to indulge you is illogical, irrational and totally unlikely, but ya-- you do youWhat does the word 'gender' in the term gender dysphoria refer to, according to you?
You said gender and sex are separate, so...
If, according to you-- genitals don't define gender, and gender and sex are separate, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're not a fairy princess because you identify as one, and dress in the costume.
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@phaneros8180 If that's the case, they need to be under supervised watch for their safety. It illustrates the inadequacy of affirmation-based treatment protocols, failing to provide effective coping mechanisms to cope with adversity.
II get that the activists and trolls like you want to argue for sport, but for all of human history boy/man meant boy/man and girl/woman meant girl/woman. Let's not kid ourselves here.
It dates back to the earliest books of the Bible God made man in His image, He made them male and female. The early writers understood the meaning and wrote laws for each.
It's not really a question at all, with the context of literature throughout the centuries-- confirming the author's understanding of the meaning of the words, and differences between males and females, men/women, and boys/girls. All of a sudden, now people are confused about reality.
A man is an adult human male, woman is an adult human female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume. All men are born male, all women are born female as is every other mammalian species with a binary sexual dichotomy of 'male' and 'female'.
DNA dictates the production of objective biological differences between males and females. 100% of the population is either male or female, even intersex people. If they have a Y chromosome, they are heterogametic and male. If not, they are homogametic and female.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@phaneros8180 Here's 2: Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
Not all 'trans people' suffer with gender dysphoria (OR, are you saying that they all do?), but they all do have a way higher risk of self deleting than the rest of the of the general population, so I see it as a more pressing underlying issue to address, than a mere matter of cosmetics.
The argument in favor of affirmative care is, if you don't let them transition that they'll self-delete. Well, they seem to do that even if you do let them transition, so as far as I'm concerned it's an invalid argument.
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@dariocarraresi1823 The su~c*de rate of kids with conversion therapy is like 43 percent
The su~c*de rate of affirmation surgery is like 41 percent
Both suck... That is regarding relief from gender dysphoria, which doesn't (Obviously) correlate to an emotionally stable individual, evidenced by the extremely high self delete rate.
So, that's a No-- you have nothing proving that a dude in a dress w/ severe anxiety about his gender and/or reality, is anything other than a dude in a dress.
You haven't justified why a man who claims a subjective female gender identity should be granted access to women's only spaces and organization, as though he's entitled to infringe on women's rights. Anything? Anything at all???
Do you think those spaces are designated segregated because of a subjective identity claim or maybe it's based on biology??? Get Real
None the less, the world doesn't owe you, and isn't your therapist, so the expectation that it needs to coddle you as though it is-- is arrogant, narcissistic, unjustifiably self-entitled and literally untenable.
When large controlled studies show that 90% end up desisting and end up choosing a gay life style (with a self delete rate closer to the general population at around 4%, I challenge the validity of the claim that affirmation-based therapy protocols are efficacious by contrast.
If it were successful, the self delete rates would be much better. Kind of obvious
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@dariocarraresi1823 Bro..
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls,
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
This is directly from the writer and tenured board member at WPATH, Ken Zucker: Not to mention the leaked wpath files showing doctors themselves do not think these kids are mentally mature enough to consent to the surgeries.
** Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
** Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
** A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
** Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
** According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
** According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable
If genitals don't define gender, how does removing/adding them, and/or presenting as a caricature using the stereotypical biological primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, as the goal post -- affirm it?
You're out of your depths here buddy.
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@dariocarraresi1823 "At the start of this study, the hypothesis that was proposed predicted individuals who had undergone gender-affirmation surgery would have a greater risk of suicide, death, and self-harm compared to the two controls. This was confirmed by comparing the two control groups. In the second analysis, it was determined that patients who had undergone gender affirmation had a statistically significant increase in suicide attempts, death, self-harm, and PTSD after completion of gender affirmation in comparison with those who had undergone BTL or vasectomy and had not undergone gender-affirmation before propensity matching. After propensity matching our cohorts for age at index, race, and ethnicity, we also found a statistically significant increased risk of suicide attempts, death, self-harm/suicide, and PTSD. These outcomes confirmed the hypothesis. The secondary sub-group analysis utilizing pharyngitis as a control showed results that were comparable to the BTL/vasectomy control group, validating cohort C as an appropriate control group for propensity matching.
These data are supported by previous studies from multiple geographic regions of the globe, including Lebanon [3], Turkey [3], Pakistan [4], China [5], and Canada [6], as well as data from within the United States [3-4,6]. The large size of our study is an asset to our findings, which will help further our understanding of the relationship between sex change and suicide. To our knowledge, a study of this size has not been described in the literature. Using two control groups, a) those who had not experienced gender-affirmation surgery and had presented to the emergency department and b) a group that had not experienced gender-affirmation surgery, had visited the emergency department, and had a vasectomy or BTL, also helped effectively control for confounding variables utilizing propensity matching. Over the last 20 years, this study demonstrated a 12.12 times greater risk of suicide utilizing the first control group and a 4.71 to 5.03 times increased risk with the other control groups.
Transgender individuals, encompassing both those seeking gender-affirming surgery and those who have undergone it, demonstrate a significantly elevated risk of developing PTSD compared to the general population [10,23]. Among those who seek access to gender-affirming surgery, the commonality of discrimination, interpersonal assault, and a lack of social support have been identified as influential factors in the development of PTSD within this group [23]. Financial stress and insufficient insurance coverage prove to be significant obstacles for those trying to access gender-affirming surgery. Additionally, the limited availability of medical professionals with expertise in gender-affirming procedures, particularly in areas of lower socioeconomic status, further exacerbates the challenges faced by individuals seeking such care [10]. However, it is important to consider PTSD development in those who have undergone gender-affirming procedures. The emergence of PTSD following surgery often stems from the pre-operative challenges (such as harassment, limited social support, etc.) in conjunction with suboptimal surgical outcomes and insufficient psychiatric assistance.
This study has revealed a significantly elevated prevalence of PTSD in post-operative transgender individuals, with a 7.76-fold increase in comparison to cohort B and a 3.74-fold increased risk compared to cohort C after propensity matching. These findings were consistent with other studies investigated previously. A study conducted by Livingston et al. in 2022 used probabilistic and rule-based modeling on Veterans Health Administration (VHA) records from 1999 to 2021 to assess the differences in PTSD prevalence among 9,995 transgender and 29,985 cisgender veterans (1:3 ratio). They concluded that transgender veterans experienced PTSD at 1.5-1.8 times the rate of veterans identifying as cisgender, especially higher in recent users of VHA services [24]. There have proven to be many obstacles when comparing our findings to other studies assessing general population PTSD risk in those who have undergone gender-affirmation surgery. A 2018 systematic review conducted by Valentine et al. showed that many studies used assessment tools not particularly appropriate for evaluating mental health in transgender or gender non-conforming individuals [25]. The poor psychometric framework has led to many studies not acknowledging confounding and contextual variables, such as exposure to discrimination or minority identity when assessing PTSD in this demographic [10,25]. To avoid the repeated shortcomings of prior research, future studies should employ rigorous and reliable assessment tools such as cross-sectional studies or the collection of prospective data [25]. Improving transgender representation in emerging PTSD treatment trials is another step in improving the understanding and management of PTSD in transgender individuals [10].
In light of the examination of the relationship between gender-affirmation surgery and mental health outcomes discussed in this study, it is imperative to acknowledge the broader landscape of research on this topic. Our investigation contributes broad insight, examining real-world data over two decades and encompassing a diverse cohort. However, to further expand upon the contextual significance, it is essential to compare findings from other studies that explore multifaceted aspects of mental health post-gender-affirmation surgery. A study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry by Branstrom et al. in October 2019 drew strong conclusions regarding the positive impact of gender-affirmation surgery on mental health [11]. However, the study faced criticism of its methodology, leading to a correction/retraction by the journal's editors that stated, "the results demonstrated no advantage of surgery about subsequent mood or anxiety disorder-related health care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts” [12]. In a subsequent study conducted in 2021, Almazan et al. compared the mental health outcomes of a group of patients who were not approved for gender-affirmation surgery with a group that had undergone the surgery [13].
Their findings suggested better mental health outcomes for those who underwent surgery, but notable limitations warrant careful interpretation. First, the study conducted a comparison between two groups: one that had not been approved for surgery, a process requiring two mental health screenings as per the World Professional Association for Transgender Health's standard of care recommendations, and another group that had already undergone surgery. Therefore, it is plausible that the surgery group could inherently have been healthier, irrespective of the surgery. Second, when the analysis was broadened to include lifetime outcomes, the positive association with the surgery became insignificant [14]."
The rates are up despite surgery. Your ability to play games with the interpretation of the data notwithstanding the conclusions of the studies which show the rates being much higher.
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Why would/should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc.???
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@dariocarraresi1823 Quit gaslighting me. Thou doth project too much! Your feelings and counter-culture gender roles aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman. Men and women aren't social constructs, feelings, fetishes, preferences or gender roles-- they're biological human beings who have reached the adulthood stage of development.
Your schtick is boring. Don't care if a dude wants to wear a dress and is effeminate in nature, and is straight or gay... Still a dude. If the 'woman' for you is a dude in a dress-- you're gay, so go be happy. Don't give a crap one way or the other.
Cowards one and all, who hide behind smears of bigotry, when you have no problem with women's objections to those men infiltrating their showers, locker rooms, prisons, etc... displaying the ultimate form of misogyny, when you all act like women just need to accept it, as though you're entitled. You're Not
Looking to see if anyone will or can justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, when they make a subjective gender identity claim. No one has been able or willing to articulate anything.
Anyone???
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@dariocarraresi1823 Gotcha detected. Should taken the time to cure your ignorance. The peer reviewed study's conclusion which determined that "Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12-fold higher su~ci~de attempt risk, than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated su~c~de attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”.
I also posted a whole bunch of other studies showing the attempt rate at 40%. Of course, you dismissed it as "copy pasta" to avoid dealing with the total destruction of your narrative.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
Swedish study: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
According to a 2019 UCLA School of Law- Williams Institute report on the thoughts and attempts of self deleting-- the Reports shows that The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS), which is the largest survey of transgender people in the U.S. to date, found that 81.7 percent of respondents reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had done so in the past year. In regard to suicide attempts, 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes.
Although the research literature to date agrees that transgender people are at an elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts, there is still much to learn about why transgender people are particularly at risk.
Also, the conclusion of the Swedish study, which concluded that persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity-- than the general population.
The findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
When the rate of self deletes among the general population is 10x's lower, and when studies showing that up to 90% desist and end up gay, with only a 4% self delete rate by contrast, the results of affirmation-based treatment protocols are horrible by contrast, making it's justification questionable at best.
You may believe wearing your Halloween princess costume makes you an actual princess, but you're only fooling yourself. It doesn't
Did you see the Hillary Cass report? She is against early social transition because it puts the kids down a path of confusion … Why don’t trans activists listen ? Lol... YouTube “gender identity services in England - a cass review”. Cass called out the hypocrisy in the old diagnostic criteria …
She asked for increased diagnostic criteria, she asked for the removal of the old pink/ blue system
She wants increased treatment range to not include gender affirming care. AP- A major UK report says trans kids are being let down by toxic…
“Dr. Hilary Cass said there is “no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress,” and young people have been caught up in a “stormy social discourse” about the issue.”
Cass’ report, which runs to almost 400 pages, said that “for most young people, a medical pathway” is not the best way to deal with gender-related issues.
“Cass said young people questioning their gender identity should be given “a holistic assessment” including screening for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism, and a mental health assessment.”
In her report, Cass said there was “no clear evidence” that social transition in childhood — such as changing names or pronouns — has any positive or negative mental health outcomes.
“The report also concluded that there is no simple explanation for why the number of young people identifying as transgender has shot up in recent years in the U.K. and other countries.”
13:27 - conversation is about hormones. She says early social transition and medicalization greatly influence one into a path of surgical transition …. Just listen to her for a few minutes. Listen to 16:00 specifically for social transition. I agree with her
This new study just published last month that I already listed
“Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery”
"Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not"
“Gender-affirming surgery is significantly associated with elevated suicide attempt risks, underlining the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.”
Doesn't look like efficacious results to me. It seems quite inadequate and unacceptable.
You've already lost this debate troll.
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@dariocarraresi1823 I find it curious that no one has been able or willing to justify the expectation that men, who call themselves 'trans women' have-- to be treated as though they're women, by being granted access as a matter of entitlement, into the girl's/women's showers or locker rooms despite the objection of the girls and women, just because they make a subjective gender identity claim.
I mean, you all are making the appeal for affirmation, acceptance and validation and don't seem willing or able to articulate anything rational. You're all hostile and engage in bad faith.
There are only 2 genders (male/female). You conflate that with gender roles (Social constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society); Sexual proclivity, preferences, personality traits and temperament etc... don't affect that at all. An effeminate dude in a dress is still a dude in a dress regardless of his persona
Your feelings aren't what determine if you're a man or a woman... It's biology and beyond your control.
Restrooms, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, women's leagues/teams and prisons are not segregated based on subjective gender identity claims-- (OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason), but on the basis of biology (Again, OBVIOUS to Everyone but you lot for some reason).
Now you know better, and can't say no one ever told you
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@dariocarraresi1823 Cool story. Zucker is a member of WPATH and his medical professional peers seem to disagree with your assessment. Here's their open letter supporting Kenneth Zucker-- invalidating your claims
"Open Letter in Support of Dr. Kenneth Zucker and the Need to Promote Robust Scientific Debate
Sponsored by FAIR in Medicine
May 5, 2023
We, the undersigned signatories, are expressing our support for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, an academically robust and unbiased editorial process at the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and uninterrupted publication of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey. We condemn and reject the censorious demands being directed at Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, that this paper be retracted, and that the editor of the journal, Dr. Zucker, be sanctioned for allowing the paper’s publication. The appropriate action is to have an open debate about the paper—not to silence those whose views one finds disagreeable.
Currently as many as one in 10–20 youth report gender dysphoria. The paper by Diaz and Bailey adds to the growing body of knowledge about the various factors contributing to the rapid rise of adolescent-onset gender dysphoria–a phenomenon that was exceedingly rare in the past. Specifically, the paper engages with parental reports of the cases of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria,” or ROGD. The ROGD hypothesis posits that in some cases, gender dysphoria in adolescence may be mediated by social factors.
The potential viability of the ROGD hypothesis has been endorsed not only by the parents, as described by Diaz and Bailey, but also by the clinicians working with this patient population, and the affected patients themselves. If it proves to be correct, then the treatment approaches to this novel population of adolescents may need to be different, including the possibility that such cases may benefit from less invasive interventions that do not carry the irreversible effects of hormonal and surgical interventions known as “gender-affirming care.” The concern that the currently-presenting gender dysphoric youth are different from the originally-studied cases, and that they may be better helped by psychotherapy, has also been expressed by the originators of the “Dutch” protocol for gender-transitioning minors.
We are particularly disappointed that among the signatories demanding that the research be retracted is the current President of WPATH. WPATH recently acknowledged the role of social influence as a possible contributing factor to gender dysphoria in adolescents, saying: “For a select subgroup of young people, susceptibility to social influence impacting gender may be an important differential to consider.” (Coleman et al., 2022, p. 45) Signing a demand to retract one of the very few papers examining the possible influence of social factors is inconsistent with WPATH’s own statements.
We are aware of the allegation that a lack of an Institutional Review Board approval of this publication warrants a retraction. However, this is demonstrably false. Springer’s policies explicitly allow the Editor-in-Chief the discretion to accept a publication that has not sought IRB approval. The first author of this study was not affiliated with a university and did not need to seek IRB approval.
Further, we are aware that the activists are alleging that the paper’s methodology was biased by only relying on parental reports. However, parental reports are commonly used to gather information about children and adolescents. A highly influential paper in the field that is often cited to support social transition for youth also relied on parental reports. However, in this case the methodology was not criticized. The difference appears to be that in this example, the parents supported their children’s gender transition, whereas in the Diaz and Bailey paper, the parents were concerned with the risks of inappropriate medicalization of their children.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time journals and researchers who dare explore the subject of ROGD have been targeted for cancellation. What is currently happening to the Diaz and Bailey paper bears a marked resemblance to the prior attempt to silence the original “ROGD” paper by Lisa Littman, MD. Under tremendous pressure from critics, PLOS ONE subjected the paper to a second round of peer review post-publication. The paper withstood this unprecedented scrutiny, with its results unchanged.
To quote Jeffrey S. Flier, MD, the 21st Dean of Harvard Medical School, who wrote eloquently about the the attempts to silence research into ROGD, “Many papers face questions after they have been published, which is well and proper: the systematic assessment and scrutiny of published work is a core method by which the scientific community corrects errors, and builds upon imperfect preliminary observations…But that is not what has happened…. [the] critics have not performed any systematic analysis of her findings, but seem principally motivated by ideological opposition to [the] conclusions.
We fear that just like in the case of the original ROGD paper, the demands for retraction and sanctioning of Dr. Zucker, the Editor-in-Chief are principally motivated by the ideological opposition to Diaz and Bailey’s conclusion.
Because of Dr. Zucker’s unique experience in the field and his role as the Editor-in-Chief, the journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, has become a formidable force in the growing debate about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-diverse youth. Dr. Zucker has demonstrated neutrality by routinely publishing articles on both sides of this contentious issue.
While the paper by Diaz and Bailey–like all research–has limitations, it is vital to continue to study the ROGD hypothesis. Ongoing attempts to silence any research into the explosion of teens who are now identifying as transgender only stands to hurt the very patients the activists are claiming to help–young gender nonconforming people.
We, the undersigned signatories, ask that Springer Nature, the company that publishes Archives of Sexual Behavior, takes a nuanced view of this situation, examines the context in which these complaints have been leveled, and chooses to uphold the principles and practice of scientific discussion, debate, and freedom of expression by rejecting calls to retract the paper “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases” by Diaz and Bailey and refusing to sanction Dr. Kenneth Zucker for his decision to publish the paper."
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Why would/should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc.???
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@TransHippie Get a friend You fail to persuade
If as you believe, gender and sex are truly independent, why are trans people subscribing to a sexual stereotypical caricature of biological sex as their blueprint for how they present themselves??? No, sorry not sorry. The cult narratives are incoherent madness.
The main problem that the trans activist ideological narratives have is that life is based in objective reality and most don't have difficulty deciphering the difference between reality and the trans imagination.
You're only fooling yourself, if you don't acknowledge the trans activists saying trans women are women. They're dudes with issues prancing around as though they're women without issues-- Still men.
ALL women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference or costume. A dude with a psych issue who believes he's a woman, is still a dude.
That just how it is. Seethe if you must, then just cope harder... You're only fooling yourselves and your chosen approach isn't persuasive
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@martind2520 It doesn't mean they do either. To say it does is one thing... To prove it is another. It's a cover all, to avoid a substantive discussion that regardless of how one processes the topic, that men can't become women and vice versa, nor does it justify the expectation that everyone in society is obligated to participate in the affirmation treatment treatment program of those inflicted with the psych disconnect with reality, as though they're entitled.
Transhippie is disliked by me, because he's a liar and an a-hole, not because he's confused about reality, or because he is gay, or prefers to dress like a woman.
He's rejected, along with his narratives as unjustified in the expectation that women's only spaces should be deregulated and desegregated to accommodate his sensitive feelings, as a priority over the women who those places and organizations were established for in the 1st place.
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@jeffrinator2078 You can not choose your gender. Gender is established at conception, and is verified at birth or before.
Quit conflating gender (There are only 2 male/female... that's it) with gender roles (which are social constructs, which vary from country to country, society to society and culture to culture-- referring to the roles of males and females in society), and again with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), as though they're synonymous.... They're Not
That's wrong... Science shows that all mammals (including humans) are of a binary sexual dichotomy of male (XY chromosomes) and female (XX chromosomes), and one's feelings of angst about that doesn't change their status, and neither does a genetic disorder, nor does it entitle them to be treated as though it does.
You still haven't proven that a male with the claimed gender identity of a woman, has a valid claim. Got anything?
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@dariocarraresi1823 Rejection-- Get used to it creep. You still haven't proven that a male with the claimed gender identity of a woman, has a valid claim.
All the coping to be done is yours
Maybe you could have a proper conversation if you ever develop some integrity, upstanding character, and social skills, and who knows, maybe then-- you might even make a friend; but you've proven to be a liar, who doesn't handle any scrutiny of your narratives with grace, integrity, facts or in good faith.
You've not established why established nations, countries, cultures, or societies and their established laws, need to change what they deem acceptable, to accommodate your feelings that desegregating the population by sex is necessary, optimal, or a requirement for them and their interests, which clearly vary from yours-- as though you're owed something.
Being that only .6% of the population have a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria which is what it is, when one's gender identities vary from one's biological sex, and for 99.4% of people-- their gender identity matches their biological sex. The disconnect between gender/sex and gender identity is a disorder by default, which in no way justifies a man with a psych disconnect with his biology to be entitled to be in the girl's showers.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Any Evidence to support your assertion?
Canada's stats show a study Among the findings, showing:
— Of the inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for h0mic*de-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with s3xu@l offense histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offenses were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused d3ath or serious harm to their victim(s).”
The study also found that of the gender-diverse offenders, 47% of whom were Indigenous.
Why should the males, who you refer to as "trans women" have a higher priority, than the safety of females (both girls and women)???
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@TransHippie The thing is, there are no 'trans' people. All people are male or female and that is a permanent state.
It's you who are expecting the world and everyone in it to operate as though you're owed something. That's wrong!
It is for you to make your case a compelling one, if you expect the participation and cooperation of others, and so far-- You fail to persuade.
Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
Way too many (You included) conflate Gender/Sex (= Biology, there are only 2 male/female... That's it) with Gender Roles (Social Constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society). and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they are Not.
Male/Female are categories of the binary dichotomy of all mammalian species, which is fixed and permanent. That you aren't aware, is a YOU problem.
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@penelopermolai That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
A dude in a dress, who's chosen to surgically alter his anatomy, is still a dude-- He's just a dude who's chosen to remove himself from the gene pool, and have properly functioning organs rendered no longer functioning.
They're only kidding themselves when they don't acknowledge that the trans activist narratives include the notion that a trans woman is a woman, is objectively just false/wrong.
The problem with the trans activist's narratives are that life is based in objective reality, and the vast majority of people don't have difficulty deciphering the differences between reality and the trans imagination, and they aren't willing to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality
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@penelopermolai You seem like a triggered, snarky, and petulant, late-teen trying to be edgy, while attention-seeking for negative attention.
The thing is, it's you and yours who insist that you need affirmation, validation, and acceptance-- Yet, you fail to persuade and your attitude doesn't inspire or motivate the very people who's validation, affirmation, and acceptance you desire. You're like the proverbial wrench in your own spokes. Congratulations! You played yourself
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@dariocarraresi1823 Yes, it is a strawman argument that's been thoroughly debunked.
If you have XY chromosomes, you have no business in places designated for people with XX chromosomes (Like women's shelters or the girl's showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions/leagues/teams, or prisons) and you've still not justified the expectation to the contrary.
I call BS... next time you feel like whining about it, remember, your claims are unjustified and invalid because YOU can't justify them to the society members that you wish to assimilate into, sufficiently or in your case-- AT ALL.
So, that being said-- Bottom line is: restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, showers, sports leagues/teams/divisions, women's shelters, and prisons are designated segregated by gender for a good reason (regardless of you pretending that men and women are interchangeable widgets-- they're not, and they aren't established based on a subjective gender identity claim, rather they're based on biology).
Got anything justifying the expectation that all of society must participate in your affirmation treatment, by denying objective reality, as an obligation to you?
You can choose to wear a fairy princess costume if you like, but it doesn't make you a fairy princess and those who think it does are delusional too.
Feel free to dress like a woman
Feel free to act as effeminate as it gets
Feel free be straight or gay
Just know that none of that entitles you to occupy the girl's showers, sports etc... because you're pretending you're one of them, or presenting as a stereotypical sexist caricature of a woman you're not.
Hopefully, that clears it up for you... I know it won't-- you're a contrarian, but again it's you and yours looking for affirmation, acceptance, and validation from the society at large-- Not the other way around.
So again, got anything to justify your expectation that everyone in society is obligated to pretend you're a woman???
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@dariocarraresi1823 You admit that you prey on the m3ntally ill and kids- who are impressionable, and susceptible to your nonsense. It's what makes you a monster-- because you don't care at all.
I don't accept your terminology, or your philosophical narrative's views as valid. I think that those to whom you refer as trans are either males w/ identity conflicts or females with identity conflicts, and the conflicts and anxiety about their gender doesn't change their gender
All men are born male, and all women are born female, and neither is a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume.
One's anxiety about their biology doesn't change anything about the reality of their biology being what it is, nor entitle them to the participation of everyone in society, pretending that they're something they're not
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@dariocarraresi1823 Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares, it doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girl's showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You certainly haven't proven that a man who wishes he were, or believes he's a woman is anything other than a man.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prisons, with the draft, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarships, and sports teams/leagues you deem unnecessary. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny?
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's sports divisions is a superior way of organizing sports
You've not demonstrated how eliminating women's expectation of privacy in women's only spaces is a superior way to organize society.
You've also failed to demonstrate how eliminating women's only spaces as a concept from society, is a superior way of organizing society.
Your Lord of the flies/anarchist approach to civilization is ludicrous. Name a civilized nation without laws. You can't-- it doesn't exist, and neither does Utopia
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I don't care what pronouns anyone uses. I care about the fact that they're insisting on trying to control the pronouns that others choose to use.
I'm an older, adult asking you or anyone here to justify the expectation that anyone supports your world view as valid, and you've come back with nothing but the petulant snark of a late teen trying to be a provocateur.
The world doesn't owe you respect, affirmation, acceptance nor validation. Respect is earned and is reserved for that which is actually respectable, while you appear to thrive on stoking conflict like an adversary.
You've destroyed your own integrity and credibility by acting like a petulant brat, and an abrasive a-hole, failing to engage in good faith, with questions which expose your narratives as nothing but incoherent unjustifiable and invalid nonsense, unable to withstand any scrutiny.
Well, not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable... That's why nations have borders.
Society has long established societal norms cross-culturally and internationally, and they aren't going to reorganize themselves, for some counter-culture group of people-- who are free to choose to go elsewhere, rather than act like the world owes them something.
It's for them to find a way to operate and integrate into society. It's not society's role to reorganize itself for you or them, so hopefully you'll realize that you'd be better off developing some coping mechanisms to handle the fact that the majority of people reject the trans-activist ideological narratives, and to deal with reality as it is, as opposed to how you/they wished it were, which is at the root of what's lacking with GD affirmation-based treatment.
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I get that the activists and trolls want to argue for sport, but for all of human history boy/man meant boy/man and girl/woman meant girl/woman. Let's not kid ourselves here.
It dates back to the earliest books of the Bible God made man in His image, He made them male and female. The early writers understood the meaning and wrote laws for each. It's not really a question at all, with the context of literature throughout the centuries-- confirming the author's understanding of the meaning of the words and differences between males and females, men/women. All of a sudden, now people are confused about reality.
A man is an adult human male, woman is an adult human female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference nor a costume. All men are born male, all women are born female as is every other mammalian species with a binary sexual dichotomy of 'male' and 'female'.
DNA dictates the production of objective biological differences between males and females. 100% of the population is either male or female, even intersex people. If they have a Y chromosome, they are heterogametic and male. If not, they are homogametic and female.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
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@phaneros8180 You say, gender identity and sex are separate, but haven't been able to justify encroaching on spaces designated segregated based on sex (Not gender identity), as an entitlement. Not even close
You also haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you/they present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you/them as though they're the opposite sex.
It's absurd
First, intersex individuals are not asexual, but have clear sex biomarkers that makes their sex epistemically uncertain. The biological constitution of intersex individuals involves at least some typically male/female biological sex features in their genotype, phenotype, et cetera. Should we place biomarkers aside, it would not be clear what sex could mean.
Second, intersex individuals are not hermaphrodites. There are two misunderstandings to be warded off, the first in terms of there being no cases of hermaphroditism in the sense of individuals who are fully biological males and females, and the second in terms of embryonic development. Beginning with the former, the reason why “hermaphroditism” is no longer used in medical nomenclature is that there are, simply speaking, no hermaphrodites. While having both XX and XY chromosomes is possible, this is not identical to hermaphroditism—for reasons we shall see later in the discussion of the definition of “sex.” 2 With respect to the latter, Orr's (2020) quotation of Intersex Genital Mutilations: Human Rights Violations of Persons with Variations of Sex Anatomy (2016), the NGO report to the 7th periodic report of France on the Convention Against Torture (CAT). In it, we find the following:
Everybody started out as a hermaphrodite: Until the 7th week of gestation, every fetus has “indeterminate” genitals, two sets of basic reproductive duct structures, and bipotential gonads. Only after the 7th week of gestation, fetuses undergo sexual differentiation mostly resulting in typically male or female sex anatomy and reproductive organs. (p. 32).
However, the potential, i.e., hence the use of “ bipotential”, to be male or female is not the same as actually being “between” (intersex) male and female. Bipotential gonads presexual differentiation are different than actual bigonads post-sexual differentiation. Consequently, bipotential gonads do not entail a period of hermaphroditism in prenatal human beings.
Third and finally, Tudela et al. (2020) cite Arcelus et al. (2015) for a prevalence statistic for intersex conditions. The problem is that they cite a prevalence statistic of transsexual individuals, not intersex individuals—and they are different. Arcelus et al. (2015) defines “transsexual” as “individuals who experience discomfort or distress caused by the discrepancy between their gender identity and the sex they were assigned at birth.” (p. 3). This definition excludes at least two categories of intersex individuals, and consequently cannot be a reliable intersex prevalence statistic. First, it would exclude prenatal intersex individuals, e.g., through genetic screening can reveal whether a child has congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) or androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), or during infancy. Second, it would exclude non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals, and non-gender-dysphoric intersex individuals who did not receive surgery to change sexes. Consequently, even if intersex individuals met the definition of “transsexual” later in life, this prevalence statistic is unreliable. However, I hold that Tuleda et al.'s (2020) point still stands unscathed. Consider Sax's (2010) more reliable prevalence statistic of 0.018 percent. Sax's (2010) estimate carefully corrects Anne Fausto-Sterling's (and others’) statistic of intersex's prevalence being around 1.7 percent. Fausto-Sterling's statistic was based on a mistaken definition of intersex which would include Turner syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. In none of these cases is their true intersex in which there is sexual uncertainty, i.e., these are not cases of genuine sexual ambiguity. As Sax (2010) points out in the 0.018 percent figure, the prevalence is nearly one hundred times lower than Fausto-Sterling suggested.
Fourth (and relatedly), there are misunderstandings regarding the difference between being “sexually atypical” and being “intersex.” Consider Feder's (2014) remark that “the issue of “incidence” of atypical sex has been a vexed one, as it concerns not only the frequency with which children are born with atypical sex anatomies but also what counts as atypical sex.” (p. 211ff1, my italics). The idea here is that what it means to be intersex just is to have an atypical sex anatomy. There is a plausible case that “intersex” and “atypical sex anatomies” are not synonymous. Having an atypical sex anatomy might refer to the broader category of a difference in one's sexual anatomy, but it does not highlight the heterogeneous property of all intersex conditions: uncertainty with regard to one's sex. As Feder (2014) herself admits, the atypical sex anatomy of “hypospadias” (p. 211ff1) involve children “who are usually regarded as unquestionably male” (p. 211ff1). 3 However, if atypical sex anatomy does not make a sex-specific claim, i.e., saying something about sex identification, then it should not be used either as a placeholder for, or as a description of, intersex. Having warded off misunderstandings of “intersex”, I will now provide four arguments that “intersex” does not violate the sex binary. cais (intersex deformity) comes along with hermaphroditism btw
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders.
As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
Now you know better
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@2024happiness_ You haven't come close yet, to being able to justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex.
The world isn't your therapist and doesn't owe you special consideration. To expect it does is the height of narcissism and arrogance.
You have nothing justifying why your whining should be taken seriously.
You come across like a creepy woman hater, and misogynist trying to justify infringing on women's rights to designate women's only areas for themselves, as though you're entitled.
Do you believe that spaces designated by gender/sex are referring to gender roles? Make it make sense
I Don't care if you want to wear a dress, makeup, heels and a wig, get boob implants, have HRT and have your properly functioning genitalia removed surgically-- Feel free, but still a man.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and sports teams/leagues seems to be confusing to trans activists. Whats the issue with it???
Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny? ANYTHING???
Be relevant for a change and make your case, if you think you can
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@TransHippie The thing is, It's you who are expecting the world and everyone in it to operate as though you're owed something. That's wrong!
It is for you to make your case a compelling one, if you expect the participation and cooperation of others, and so far-- You fail to persuade.
Science has already established that All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or costume, and that state is fixed and permanent as it is with every other mammalian species.
Way too many (You included) conflate Gender/Sex (= Biology, there are only 2 male/female... That's it) with Gender Roles (Social Constructs referring to the roles of males and females in society). and again with personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) as though they're synonymous and they are Not.
Male/Female are categories of the binary dichotomy of all mammalian species, which is fixed and permanent. That you aren't aware, is a YOU problem.
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I was born in the mid-60's and am curious, Why would/should a subjective, unverifiable gender identity claim be relevant at all, in areas designated segregated by biology, like women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, the draft, girls or boys only schools, sports divisions/leagues/teams, scholarships, etc.???
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@petervizzini4006 Note Hippie and Darrio-- the NPC troll bots, who are Ashamed of nothing, Offended by everything, and who takes zero accountability for anything, whining about hate speech, while hypocritically calling out false accusations while using hate speech toward those who challenge their incoherent narratives, by calling them notc's, fascists, _ phobes, etc...
Normies reject the woke mind virus's assertions as being valid, and are done tolerating their antics...
That's why Trump won
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@Snuzzled You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing, or not. You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress is still a dude.
Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021: 88 percent of trans women desisted after 20 years. 93% resorted to homosexuality vs affirmation treatment with a self delete rate nearly 10x's higher than the general population at nearly 40%, doesn't appear to be validating the 1% 'regret rate' claim-- as accurate (looks like a huge net loss to me, being that gays have a self-delete rate closer to the general population, at around 4% comparatively)-- in NO way justifies claims of affirmation-based treatment protocols as efficacious.
There's no hate involved in recognizing that a man in a dress-- is a man; That's just being observant.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
A dude in a dress, who's chosen to surgically alter his anatomy, is still a dude-- He's just a dude who's chosen to remove himself from the gene pool, and have properly functioning organs rendered no longer functioning.
They're only kidding themselves when they don't acknowledge that the trans activist narratives include the notion that a trans woman is a woman, is objectively just false/wrong.
The problem with the trans activist's narratives are that life is based in objective reality, and the vast majority of people don't have difficulty deciphering the differences between reality and the trans imagination, and they aren't willing to participate in the LARP and cosplay, as though it's based in reality.
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@Snuzzled Also-- Here's 2 scientific studies for you: Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
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@Snuzzled Since you're interested in facts and studies, here are some others: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Feel free to post the studies which invalidate these: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Nope-- Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
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@Snuzzled You keep deleting the studies which debunk your claim. Pretty lame
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
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@Snuzzled Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
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@Snuzzled "Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population".
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
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@Snuzzled Nope, and the coward deleting the evidence is evidence of the total lack of integrity.
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Contrast that against the 40-50% self termination rate currently measured (Compared to the rate associated with gays and lesbians @ around 4%) with the implementation of affirmation therapy, and it looks like affirmation therapy is a net loss, and is not justifiable as efficacious in any meaningful way.
It begs the questioning of affirmation-based treatment protocols and the questioning of the ethics and judgement of those who endorse and perform those procedures.
Why should a man, regardless of his anxiety about his gender (which was established at conception and was observed and documented at his birth), or his desire that reality were different, be treated as anything other than a man??
The inability to cope with things as they are in reality, rather than as you/they wished they were in your/their subjective imaginations, doesn't change reality. That's a major area that affirmation-based treatment fails because it fails to provide coping mechanisms to effectively contend with the adversity in life, which is inevitable.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest. All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, self termination behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
"Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted self termination.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted self termination. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted self termination.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted self termination.
Also, Kenneth Zucker et Al 2021 Watched trans women, diagnosed, and after 20 years-- almost 90% desisted.
Thomas Steensma, a gender clinician and researcher at the Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, VU University Medical Center, in Amsterdam found, the phenomenon of transgender children "growing out of" their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents or adults is called “desistance” by gender researchers.
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
The main problem the trans activist's narratives have is that life is based in objective reality, and most people don't have difficulty deciphering reality from the trans imagination.
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality, and wishing you were something else doesn't affect that in the slightest.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are social constructs, feelings, costumes, fetishes or preferences.
That you/they can't accept that, is at the root of the problem w/ GD.
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@Snuzzled Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
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@Snuzzled I didn't post a link. I typed out the info from various studies directly contradicting the info you posted.
Here's 2-- I had several others as well: Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled I typed it out. I didn't post a link.
Here's 2: Sui*idality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered terminating themselves and 40% have attempted sui*ide, with sui*idality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of sui*ide, this study aims to better understand sui*ide risk among transgender youth.
The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime sui*ide attempts and past 6-month sui*idality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both sui*idality and lifetime sui*ide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous sui*ide attempt and 86% reported sui*idality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime sui*ide attempts and sui*idality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, sui*idal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled Yes...
I typed it out. I didn't post a link.
Sui*idality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered terminating themselves and 40% have attempted sui*ide, with sui*idality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of sui*ide, this study aims to better understand sui*ide risk among transgender youth.
The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime sui*ide attempts and past 6-month sui*idality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both sui*idality and lifetime sui*ide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous sui*ide attempt and 86% reported sui*idality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime sui*ide attempts and sui*idality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, sui*idal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled Gender, (there are 2 male, and female) that's it, refers to the sex assigned at birth and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories which are fixed and permanent.
Then, they conflate gender and personality. Then, they conflate gender and gender roles. Then they conflate gender with sexual preference. Then, they conflate males with females, fact with fiction and men with women.
A woman isn't a personality, a social construct, a feeling, or a costume that a man can just put on or take off-- She's an adult, human, female. As it turns out, there's a prerequisite to being a woman-- and that's being born female, making 'cis' entirely irrelevant and useless.
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@xenokyomi No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@xenokyomi No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has shown that a man with anxiety about his biological reality is anything other than a man. Got anything?
Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing his biology were different is anything other than a man. Got anything? Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
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@Snuzzled You're only fooling yourself. The rest of the studies which seemed to corroborate the findings and the numbers I referenced, while contradicting your narrative, indicate you're FOS
Look, bottom line all men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, fetish, feeling, preference or a costume.
No one has proven that a man with severe anxiety about reality and wishing things were different is anything other than a man. There are no trans people. ALL people are male or female, respectively and one cannot become the other.
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing, or not. You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress-- is still a dude.
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@xenokyomi The problem with the trans narratives is the failure to withstand scrutiny, because most people don't have difficulty deciphering between reality and the trans imagination.
Respect is earned, not owed-- and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
No one has proven that a man with confusion or anxiety about his biology is anything other than a man. Got Anything???
All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume-- making the cis/trans prefix intellectually vacant and useless.
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous-- and they are definitely Not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@Snuzzled Feel free to post any peer reviewed studies which you believe invalidate the data and conclusions
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors: "Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant."
Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden:
“Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.”
THAT is what I would consider an issue, and if you do not-- then you do you, while failing to realize that the supposedly efficacious claims, of affirmation-based treatment protocol advocates are entirely unjustified.
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@Snuzzled Yup... The problem with the trans narratives is the failure to withstand scrutiny, because most people don't have difficulty deciphering between reality and the trans imagination.
Respect is earned, not owed-- and it's reserved for that which is actually respectable.
No one has proven that a man with confusion or anxiety about his biology is anything other than a man. Got Anything???
All men are born male, all women are born female, and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume-- making the cis/trans prefix intellectually vacant and useless.
Way too many inappropriately and incorrectly conflate gender/sex (There are only 2-- male/female... That's it) with personality traits and temperament (There are a ton and none are gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys), and again with gender roles (without exception refer to the roles of males and females in society) as though they're synonymous-- and they are definitely Not.
Science has already proven that the binary dichotomy of all mammals is male/female.
A man in a dress is still a man
A man with anxiety about his sex/gender-- still a man
A man calling himself a woman-- still a man
A man with an effeminate personality--still a man
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@TransHippie So why are you celebrating and taking pride, in being normal? Looks like you're trying to poke fun at people who aren't 'normal'. Irony?
What you exist as, is a matter of objective reality. What you exist as-- is what is in dispute, not your right to exist.
Neither your anxiety about reality, your personality, your preferences, nor your fashion choices change your gender, and I suppose that might bug a dude pretending to be Cinderella for attention, but sometimes the truth can sting.
All women are born female, all men are born male (ZERO exceptions), and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, personality, or a costume.
Now you know better. You're Welcome
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@dariocarraresi1823 You operate as though I'm the one making an appeal to society for acceptance, affirmation and validation. Weird
First, “male” and “female” do explanatory work if sex is defined by gamete production: the difference between “male” and “female” explain why binary creatures have the reproductive faculties that they possess. Second, the sex binarist holds that settling difficult cases of “sex” is not a product of human theorizing; instead, it is a matter of retrieving more information regarding a person's biology to adjudicate whether they are male or female.
The social constructionist replies: while the biological features of animals are not impacted by our definitions, the distinctions we make can be evaluated along several dimensions. Granting that this is true, consider how we evaluate the distinctions we draw in nature. For example, consider geologists' rock classifications. If I observe a rock and want to distinguish between its separations on its formations and color in ordinary light, I will draw the distinction between its fracture and luster. The rock objectively (mind-independently) has separations on its formations and color in ordinary light, which is to say that “fracture” and “luster”, referring to those separations, are not socially constructed - the only relevant bit of “social construction” is our language we use to talk about those separations on the formations (what we call “fracture”) and the color in ordinary light (“luster”). This is how biological sex classification works as Byrne describes: some animals objectively (again, mind-independently) have small gametes, and some have large gametes. We then apply terms to distinction, and consequently distinguish “males” and “females” (other languages do similarly i.e., Italian, for instance, uses “maschio” and “femmina”).
The only relevant bit of “social construction” is our language we used to talk about the animals who produce small gametes (what we call “male”) and large gametes (what we call “female”). We then continually refine our biological categories to ensure they reflect, accurately, what we are referring to - and if there are counterexamples, then we either refine those categories (e.g., “male” should include castrated males), or, if we cannot (e.g., if “intersex” were a third sex), then abandoning the categories altogether - or further refining the initial distinction beyond two disjuncts, if necessary.
The burden of proof is on those who argue that our categories do not hold up: and I am suggesting in this chapter that that argument has not been shown through the example of individuals with intersex conditions.
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@dariocarraresi1823 You're the ones making an appeal for acceptance, tolerance, affirmation and validation, from those who don't see things the way you do, so-- Figure something out, because what you're doing isn't very persuasive, as it's resulting in rejection.
If you don't care-- Great!! Quit whining about your preferred pronouns etc... no one cares, it's boring and it doesn't justify males w/ psych issues who make unverifiable, subjective gender identity claims being granted access to the girls showers, women's shelters, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports divisions or prisons segregated by biology-- Not some delusional metaphysical gender identity claim that's unhinged from objective reality.
You've not yet demonstrated how eliminating women's privacy is a superior prescription for society to embrace.
You've not yet demonstrated that eliminating women's divisions in sports is superior than them having their leagues, and divisions.
You've also not demonstrated how eliminating women's shelters is a good idea
You've only been playing the role of an agent provocateur
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@dariocarraresi1823 Yes, it does... The data is the same regardless of whether or not I typed each and every character and space or if it was copy/pasted.
Copied from the government of Canada
"What we found
Eighty-two percent of gender diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women and the remaining 17% were in the "other" group.Footnote 2 On average, these offenders were 42 years at the time of the study. Two-thirds were serving their first federal sentence and about half (46%) were serving indeterminate sentences.
The risk and needs characteristics of these offenders indicates that they had high static risk (91%) and dynamic need (94%) but almost half (42%) were low criminal riskFootnote 3 based on the Criminal Risk Index (CRI). Although three-quarters (78%) have a moderate to high motivation and two-thirds (64%) have a moderate to high accountability, a little over half (58%) are considered engaged in their correctional plan. Two-thirds (66%) had a low reintegration potential. Finally, responsivity issues were identified for a third (36%) of these offenders.
Almost two-thirds (64%) of these offenders committed a current sexual offence while 88% were convicted for prior sex offences. Almost all (94%) had committed their offences while living as their biological sex. The majority (85%) committed offences that caused death or serious harm to their victim(s) while 70% inflicted psychological harm on their victim(s). Examination of the victimology shows that over half were children (58%) or female (55%). One-third (33%) of the offences committed had multiple victims.
File review indicated that 70% of the offenders with sex offence histories had experienced childhood abuse and 27% were abused in adulthood. Childhood sexual (64%) and physical (52%) abuse were most commonly experienced by these offenders. Two-thirds (64%) had experienced trauma. For offenders with DFIA-R information, 60% had a history of childhood abuse.
What it means
Over 80% of gender diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offences were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female. In addition, a majority of this sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s). Most of these offenders also had a history of abuse and trauma. Due to these factors, gender diverse offenders with sex offence histories present unique operational considerations for institutional placement and correctional programming."
You're wrong, again, Liar
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@dariocarraresi1823 Avoiding the truth doesn't invalidate it, or establish your assertions as true.
No, Denmark relies on analyzing data on sex segregation to measure their supposed egalitarian progress... So, you were wrong on that then, and you're still wrong.
You already lost this debate in multiple dimensions, many times over.
Your desire to abolish women's sports, prisons, women's shelters, internships, scholarships, and women's privacy is unjustified, and is in No way superior than the way every country in the world deals with males and females.
Dudes w/ psych issues aren't justified to be in the girl's showers, and you've failed to show how the expectation that they are is reasonable, rational, or superior than the way it exists now
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@dariocarraresi1823 I know, the truth of reality crushes your radical activist gender ideological narratives, and that's your way to bury your head in the sand, and pretend nothing's there, because you're a liar and a fraudster.
The Special Olympics exists for a reason. Perhaps that's your solution. 🤔Make a trans division in the Special Olympics, and your problem's solved, on the sports front.
Regarding assimilating into the society you find yourself choosing to reside in, just remember it's not on them to deny or change their culture, social norms, traditions, or laws for your validation, because you think you're entitled to their submission, acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Newsflash: You're Not
Not all cultures are equal, compatible, nor desirable... That's why sovereign nation have borders
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Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No evidence to support that theory. Considering the fact that Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed:
— Of the inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses. About 94% committed their crimes while living as their biological sex.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
"The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study also found that 70% of the trans offenders with sex crime jackets were themselves the victims of childhood abuse.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with sexual offense histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offenses were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
Your priority is rejected, as is your narrative.
Get a clue, you have no valid argument.
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@dariocarraresi1823 No, I didn't forget that "countries that allow trans women in women's sports (ex. Canada), or that have unisex bathrooms", but you haven't named any countries which have desegregated, men and women's rights, sports, prisons, women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, scholarships, and a trend pushing toward egalitarianism, which resembles your agenda of desegregating the sexes the way YOU want, or shown that it's viable, and not an answer as to your preferred country which you view as the preferred standard.
Got anything? The way I see it you've not demonstrated that your ideal is superior in any way whatsoever.
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Um, A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that 44% of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offenses. Not a fairy tale, or a conspiracy theory. Factual
The study — entitled Gender Diverse Offenders with a History of Sexual Offending — reveals a troubling pattern of violence among the convicted.
Spanning the years 2017-2020, gender-diverse inmates took part in the wide-ranging study designed to provide the CSC with a profile of this segment of the prison population.
Among the findings:
— Of the 99 inmate sample group, 44% of the trans women convicts are sex offenders.
— 82% of gender-diverse offenders were trans-women with an average age of 42 years old and almost half were serving “indeterminate” sentences.
— Two-thirds (66%) had low reintegration potential. About 64% of these offenders had committed a “current sexual offense,” while 88% had previously been convicted for sexual offenses. About 94% committed their crimes while living as their biological sex.
— The vast majority, 85%, were convicted of violent crimes that caused death “or serious harm” to their victims (58% of whom were children or women).
“It’s quite shocking. The study also shows that 41% of trans-women are in for homicide-related crimes while with male inmates it’s only 21%,” Mason said, adding that the study also revealed that in just four years, the number of trans inmates almost doubled.
The study also found that 70% of the trans offenders with sex crime jackets were themselves the victims of childhood abuse.
The study added: “Over 80% of gender-diverse offenders with sexual offence histories were trans-women. Sexual offending indicators showed that the majority of these offences were committed while living as their biological sex, and that the highest proportion of victims were children or female.”
In addition, the majority of the “sub-group caused death or serious harm to their victim(s).”
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@dariocarraresi1823 Criminals, in general, are not representative of 'most' people's disposition, however; they're criminal offenders who are locked up because they've been convicted of committing crimes by breaking the law.
The stats and percentages were derived from doing basic math. Try it
The salient points you conveniently ignore are:
> People, (boys or girls, men or women) are not social constructs, feelings, fetishes, preferences, personality traits nor temperament, nor are they costumes
> Males cannot become females
> Men cannot become women
> Boys cannot become girls
> Females cannot become male
> Girls cannot become boys
> Women cannot become men
> Prisons, women's shelters, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and restrooms are segregated by sex for a good reason, and despite your preference to desegregate them, insisting they're unnecessary; You have not made a persuasive case that you're correct that they're unnecessary, nor have you made a persuasive case that they should be eliminated.
> Areas and organizations designated for females are done so based on biology, not subjective measures, and you've provided nothing to justify the expectation that males who make subjective and unverifiable gender identity claims are or should be an exception.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Not a justification that the males who you refer to as trans women are entitled to occupy areas and organizations designated, designed, and implemented for females.
You've debunked nothing. Not here (Where it might count), not there, not anywhere. Your gaslighting is weak and objectively false.
Your approval, admission, acceptance, and validation isn't required, and never has been.
You're an established activist hack, and a proven liar, with no justification to expect that anyone take you seriously-- Ever.
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Choosing to be on the losing side of the political argument explains why the democrats have an ever shrinking 30% approval rating. That's called rejection via democracy.
Don't conflate gender with gender roles as though they're synonymous-- that's an error.
Seems like you view conforming to sexist stereotypes, as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
Bottom line is: spaces, and organizations focused on being designated for females, are done so, because of biology-- Not feelings or perceptions about it
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, it is not morally superior, and it is demonstrably harmful, not least of which to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic"-- when the total opposite is true.
They believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc., instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
Life is not a fantasy.
Not all cultures are Equal, Compatible, nor Desirable...
That's why...
Nations have borders
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@dariocarraresi1823 It doesn't exactly justify encroaching on areas designated based on sex, as an entitlement now does it. The question is, Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case. That's on you, for running from answering questions, and the opportunity to justify your expectations.
No one has been able to justify the expectation that just because a man presents and identifies in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat them as though, they're now somehow the opposite sex with reasonable expectations that everyone use feminine pronouns etc.
Make it make sense
And what about those who aren't suffering from gender dysphoria, who do that?
There are no trans humans. All humans being male/female makes that pretty obvious.
What DO they do, to justify being treated as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? Answer: Not a thing
Seethe if you must, then remember-- I don't care about your incoherent and inane sophistry or opinions. I've rejected the notion that men should ever be treated as though they're women. Rationalize it in whatever way you like. I don't care. You fail to persuade, or justify why they ought to be.
Well??? Make your case a good one, or the expectation that you ought to be taken seriously and consider your arguments valid just don't exist. Ready? GO!!!
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your projection of cowardliness is evident, by your failure to justify your narratives, by failing to answer the questions which scrutinize them-- coward.
Clearly, it doesn't cure gender dysphoria, as they still don't view themselves as the sex they are, rather they perceive themselves as a socially constructed gender identity, while some others desist, and others have regret, and others self delete.
The question is, Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case. That's on you, for running from answering questions, and the opportunity to justify your expectations.
You said gender identity and sex were separate, so Justify encroaching on women's only spaces (locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, prisons, etc.), segregated based on sex-- as an entitlement, because, You haven't even come close yet.
Justify the expectation that just because you present and identify in a non-traditional fashion, that all of society must treat you as though you're the opposite sex, or quit your whining. You haven't come close yet
The other question is, IF-- according to you, nobody claims that they can become a different sex just by identifying as a different gender identity; How do you justify treating them as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? Well, are YOU going to continue to be a coward and run from answering?
Why do you think I have to justify enforcing gender roles?? Your sophistry is rejected, and negated.
If you're a dude with a quirky fashion sense and you choose to dress in a way that is stereo typically associated as being traditionally feminine attire-- I don't care, and your sexual preferences couldn't be less relevant either, so what in the world are you trying to say?
I'm not suggesting enforcing a 'gender role' on you, by saying you should kept you 'out' of the men's room, or for trying out for men's sports, or using facilities designated for males/men just because you don't conform to traditional gender roles. I'm INSISTING your rights to use the appropriate facilities is maintained. You're ridiculous and talking bubbles again.
That you don't see the obvious rational, logic, need and desire in society for segregating things like medical care, or segregating prisons based on sex, or segregating men's and women's sports is all that's needed to realize that your shoe size dwarfs your IQ.
Your inability to answer, shows incompetence on your part.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Well, That doesn't answer Why should society change for you?
Your lack of any affirmative response only indicates incompetence, and a lack of a moral foundation from which to stand and complain, and it certainly doesn't serve as a motivation or justification.
How do you justify treating them as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? You haven't yet
You should tell trans hippie, who insists that trans women ARE women. You two seem to have conflicting narratives about your own ideology, of which you both advocate. You two highlight the incoherence of the trans ideology w/ your conflicting claims
Prancing around advertising the man made facade of primary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, show it is like pro level cross dressing... BUT-- Still men, and they still have access to the men's sports try outs, restrooms, showers, locker rooms and changing rooms.
Your intellectually vacant replies are well-established, and that's why you haven't earned any respect, and why you're rejected along with your incoherent ideological narratives.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Cool Story. Wrong, again-- but wrong nonetheless.
I already explained it to you that, If you're a dude with a quirky fashion sense and you choose to dress in a way that is stereo typically associated as being traditionally feminine attire-- I don't care, and your sexual preferences couldn't be less relevant either.
I'm not suggesting enforcing a 'gender role' on you, by saying you should kept you 'out' of the men's room, or for trying out for men's sports, or using facilities designated for males/men just because you don't conform to traditional gender roles. I'm INSISTING your rights to use the appropriate facilities is maintained. You're ridiculous and talking bubbles again.
That you don't see the obvious rational, logic, need and desire in society for segregating things like medical care, or segregating prisons based on sex, or segregating men's and women's sports is all that's needed to realize that your shoe size dwarfs your IQ.
Your inability to answer, shows incompetence on your part.
Tell me more about this 'right to safety', as I've NEVER mentioned it. Men are by FAR the largest demographic who are victims of violent crime as well as the perpetrators of violent crime
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@dariocarraresi1823 Ya, your copium is rejected as baseless whinging. Your main problem is thinking anyone owes you validation, affirmation, acceptance or unearned respect.
Your failure to realize that people have already established countries, their societies, cultures, established cultural and societal norms, and respect and maintain their traditions separating themselves from others who don't share their same priorities, with borders-- which you seem to believe you're entitled to change, based on nothing more than your claims and your beliefs that everyone should go along with your vision of what society ought to look like, rather than their own, because you'd prefer it to be so.
Well.... That's wrong, and not very persuasive nor compelling. What's their motivation??? Your sense of self importance is way over-inflated.
You can choose to dress in what's typically considered traditionally feminine attire if you like, and it doesn't mean you're banned from or can't participate by trying out for men's sports, or using the men's facilities as a means to enforce traditional gender roles on you. You're talking more nonsense again.
Neither a man's anxiety about his biology, nor his gender identity being the opposite of his biology grant him women's rights, nor obligate anyone to treat him as though he's a woman. Cope Harder about that
Why should those men, be granted authority to infringe on women's spaces established and segregated by women, based on biology-- just because of their subjective gender identity? The elimination of those things which are segregated based on biology, hasn't been established as a 'good' thing, by you or anyone else.
Got anything???
Borders exist for a reason, so if you expect people to embrace your preferred changes, you better be able to make your case compelling, and articulate and rationalize it to justify it and absent that-- your expectation to be taken seriously, is just narcissistic, declarations of self-entitlement, and your baseless opinions. You're just not that important, and you've shown that you're also not interested in being persuasive, and without the capacity to be either, and you're definitely not.
Your snark isn't getting it done, and your moral relativism isn't any more valid than anyone else's, so your expectation to be validated isn't reasonable at all, to those whom you oppose, so you have no moral ground to stand on to act like you do.
The fact that 80% of the world's population are religious people, and the majority aren't motivated to embrace your preferred hedonism, as a suitable alternative to the societies, shared principles, morals and the cultures they've already established unto themselves-- because of your feelings of angst about reality, moral standards, or your baseless beliefs that your way is a better way.
Now, in the USA-- you as a male, can wear a dress and walk into the men's room, or try out for men's sports teams, and utilize the men's facilities, regardless of your chosen non-traditional fashion selections -- So, there's no enforced gender roles going on there, for you to whine about.
You're talking nonsense again/still
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@dariocarraresi1823 It's your choice to be counter culture, so if that choice marginalizes you, Fine-- You've done it to yourself.
The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you.
You can't explain or justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part, because it is.
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? Answer: They shouldn't
The world doesn't share your morals or priorities. You're the one acting like an authoritarian-- acting as though the cultures you reject, should be expected to embrace your world view as an acceptable alternative, as an entitlement.
The vast majority of the world say, phuq that-- you're not the center of the universe.
You just want to argue. Too bad your arguments aren't persuasive, but you're fighting an up hill battle against reality, and the fact that most don't agree with you or your ideological narratives, and have no interest in indulging your fantasy by participating in your cosplay and LARP, or validating your claims or your expectations to be treated as something you are not, as justifiable.
Again, you don't have to conform, but the world doesn't have to participate in, or consider your cosplay as valid either, and doesn't feel compelled to grant you authority to infiltrate organizations and spaces segregated based on biology vs subjective gender identities, so there's that.
Besides, you said there were a lot of places that support your ideology, so what is preventing you from integrating into those societies?? You aren't a captive
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your unjustifiable moral outrage is laughable, and your attempt to redefine terms is rejected. Your failure to acknowledge that I've thoroughly debunked every argument you've made is evident. No worries... You're wrong, and your version of morality and society is rejected. Too bad, so sad... Not
Your opinion couldn't be less interesting or relevant. The justification for separating men and women in prison, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, the draft, and sports teams/leagues seems to only be confusing to you.
You can't explain or justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces and allowing men to encroach isn't misogyny on your part, because it is.
Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man, regardless of his attire, or feelings to the contrary? Answer: They shouldn't
Your answer: Conspicuously absent. Look, You can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretend no one can see you if you like-- BUT, most don't have difficulty deciphering a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress, who has no business in the women's room or in women's sports, and you haven't articulated why it's a good idea-- SO, you have nothing but whining to offer, and it's why you're dismissed and not respected or taken seriously.
Your failure to acknowledge the reasons for society segregating men and women's sports, prisons, showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, and medical care doesn't negate it's purpose, or establish why your desire to eliminate that is preferable to you, and it definitely doesn't explain why others should validate your reasoning as sound.
Why should society change for you? You haven't made a compelling case. That's on you, for running like a coward, from answering questions, and using the opportunity to justify your expectations to be treated by all of society as though you're a subjective gender identity, disconnected from the reality of your biology.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your insistence on my rational, and asserting (incorrectly my reasoning and motivation notwithstanding) doesn't negate the validity of the fact that your gender identity doesn't justify you encroaching on spaces segregated, necessarily, based on sex-- No matter how you look at it.
Ya, I DON'T care about your/their sexual preferences, your/their fashion selections, or your subjective self-perception.
You still have the right to utilize all the appropriate facilities which conform with your sex, and try out for sports which are segregated based on sex for obvious reasons-- to everyone in the known world, except for you and your little cult following-- (not your subjective sense of self), So your assertion that anyone is enforcing a 'gender role' is just being disingenuous, or they're intellectually bankrupt-- in your case it appears to be BOTH.
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@dariocarraresi1823 Gender/Sex is biological male/female. Gender roles are social constructs referring to the roles of males and females. Quit conflating them as though they're synonymous. They aren't
That you don't recognize the necessity for separating prisons based on sex, sports, the Draft, Showers, Specialized Medical care, dressing rooms, locker rooms, etc... Isn't a screaming endorsement of your capacity for intelligent thought, and is as creepy AF.
Your denial doesn't establish truth or prove anything you've claimed is valid. You should try to be relevant
You ought to try being relevant for a change. There's no negative judgment involved in recognizing that a dude in a dress is a dude in a dress. That's just being observant, but feel free to paint yourself as a victim at any time.
Looking at your comments, it appears that the worst part of trans cosplay is having your brain removed
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@TransHippie Looks like you're giving the middle finger to girls and women and their objections to dudes w/ psych issues skulking around in their showers, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, sports divisions/teams/leagues.
Do you think those places are segregated based on some subjective gender identity claim??? No, they're not-- they're segregated based on biology.
All men are born male, all women are born female and neither are a social construct, a feeling, fetish, preference, or a costume.
Feel free to wear a fairy princess costume, and identify as a fairy princess if you like, but if you believe it actually makes you a fairy princess, you're delusional
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@dariocarraresi1823 Uh huh... People with gender dysphoria taking hormone replacements as part of gender affirmation therapy face a substantially increased risk of serious cardiac events, including stroke, heart attack and pulmonary embolism, according to a study presented at the American College of Cardiology's Annual Scientific Session Together With the World Congress of Cardiology.
Gender dysphoria occurs when a person's gender identity conflicts with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender affirmation therapy, part of a process known as transitioning, includes a variety of medical, psychological and behavioral interventions to help individuals, many of whom identify as transgender, acquire secondary sex characteristics that align with their gender identity. Recent data suggest about 1 million to 1.6 million people identify as transgender in the U.S. and that hormone therapy use is rising rapidly, especially among teens and young adults.
The current study is the largest to date examining the cardiovascular risks of gender affirmation therapy in this historically understudied population. Previous research on hormone-modulating medications has primarily focused on younger women using hormone-based birth control or on older women following a hysterectomy or during menopause. In these populations, long-term hormone replacement therapy has been associated with an increased risk of breast cancer, stroke and blood clots.
Researchers retrospectively examined rates of cardiovascular events in over 21,000 people with gender dysphoria from a national database of hospital records, of whom 1,675 had used hormone replacement therapy. Typically, people assigned male at birth receive estrogen and people assigned female at birth receive testosterone. Overall results found hormone replacements were associated with higher rates of cardiac events, mostly related to dangerous blood clots
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@dariocarraresi1823 Your hysterical, desperate cries for attention, acceptance, and validation are clearly the swan song of the lunatic fringe.
You lost.
Loud, wrong, unhinged and whiny are a horrible look for you and don't validate your counter-culture, lunatic fringe nonsensical narratives as acceptable, justifiable, valid, superior, or true
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@dariocarraresi1823 You definitely haven't done it in the here and now, in the face of scrutiny-- where it would actually count. You can deny the truth, but you can't escape it.
Fun Facts: Words have meanings and for all of history, the words man and woman have referred to biological human beings. All women are human, and born female and represent 1 half of the binary sexual dichotomy of all mammalian species, the other being male.
Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove.
The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realizing that their discomfort simply stems from not realizing that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood.
That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define.
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side.
You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have.
Replacing objective definitions, which are based in objective, physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it, as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues.
It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them.
Demanding to be legally recognized as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
To believe we as individuals can have 100% control over our identity in society, what we are seen as by others, in interaction with, and in relation to, society/the world/physical existence is a fool's errand, it is a delusional understanding of reality and existence.
Now you know better
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@dariocarraresi1823 Not much of a refutation. I asked, How do you figure trans women are women, being that all women are born female? - You answered "Their gender identity". And you ran from my rebuttal that, Women aren't a social construct, then telling you That's not an answer-- and you failed to respond.
I told you, You seem quite unclear on the definition of 'woman', and the scientific classification... You said, "Words can have more than just one definition", as if to prove your shoe size dwarfs your IQ... To which I responded --"In this case there isn't. All women are born female", and you failed to respond. You ran
Re: the topic of "The justification for separating men and women in prison being clearly necessary" - You responded by saying, "Most of your justifications are bull and should be eliminated. For example, pro-trans policies decrease the rates of physical/sexual assaults; anti-trans policies increase them. That's a good reason to allow trans women in women's prisons".
I asked you for evidence re: that BS claim of yours, and you ran like a coward, providing none. Got anything yet? I then mentioned that Pro trans policies are to blame for female inmates being assaulted and impregnated, pointing out that it Couldn't have happened otherwise-- and you failed to respond
I asked you, "Whats your issue with women having a right to privacy?" - and you replied saying, "Right to privacy doesn't extend to kicking out people you don't like from public spaces, or from spaces that are privately owned by other people". I challenged your statement, pointing out that, "YES, it does, when they're in places they're not authorized to be"... And you failed to reply
Then, in response to me asking you to "Justify and explain how eliminating women's private spaces isn't misogyny on your part" - and you ran from that one, saying, "Strawman. Nobody is trying to eliminate women's private spaces"-- and I pointed out that, "You just did with your previous comment re: prisons", illustrating that You're FOS-- and you failed to respond
Then, I asked you- Why should everyone pretend that a man is anything other than a man - and you responded by saying, "Nobody is asking you to pretend that people with XY chromosomes have XX chromosomes. Another strawman", to which I replied-- pointing out that You use it as an excuse to infiltrate women's only spaces, illustrating AGAIN that, you're FOS-- and you failed again to respond
Then, I asked you. What DO they do, to justify being treated as though they're entitled to infiltrate areas segregated by sex? - and you responded with "Your sex segregation is bull, and is not a valid argument for anything."-- and I pointed out that the 'Because you said so' standard hasn't been issued any credibility and that You've failed to prove anything you've written is true or accurate, asking you if you Got anything yet... And you had nothing.
You got anything yet??? or just attention seeking proving yourself to be nothing more than an agent provocateur, who's arguments simply don't withstand even basic scrutiny
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@dariocarraresi1823 Don't be an @ss. I wasn't quoting you that you 'wanted to abolish women's sports'. I was summarizing what your ideas result in, by allowing biological males to compete with biological females as though they should be entitled to. They're NOT. They ARE however, entitled to try out to compete with other biological men, and to use men's facilities-- regardless of their subjective sense of self ie. their gender identity differing from their biology, or their chosen fashion selections. Words have meanings, and your ideas are severely disjointed.
You NEVER justified a man who claims his gender identity is a woman, being granted access to women's sports, prisons, or women's only designated spaces, as a matter of entitlement. You CAN'T
I quoted you, and your feigned ignorance doesn't make you look smart or clever. Who are you trying to convince?
All women are born female, all men are born male and neither are a social construct, feeling, fetish, preference, persona, personality trait or a costume-- making the use of cis/trans intellectually vacant and totally useless.
Your subjective gender identity isn't what makes you a man or a woman. It's your biology.
Your denial of things reported on in the main stream media, doesn't make you correct. Just saying...
Thanks for allowing me to expose your incoherent world view.
You don't have to do anything-- Unless you're expecting the participation of others in your LARP and cosplay, along with their affirmation, acceptance, and validation of your subjective sense of self, and the self-prescribed rights you want them to recognize and respect... Then-- you might want to try to make your case persuasive, because so far, you haven't be very persuasive, and until you do-- your expectations are irrational. No worries... The main problem you have with your ideological narratives is objective reality and the fact that most don't have difficulty with recognizing the differences between men and women
Changing what you call a man ie. 'trans woman', doesn't alter the nature of a man, anymore than his choice to wear a dress, or his subjective gender identity which differs from his biology, which is not at all.
Again, debunking EVERY single argument you've made has been fun. Rejection-- You better get used to it
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@dariocarraresi1823 You seem to be trying to get my attention. Well, Men are men, regardless of their wardrobe, feelings, tendencies, preferences, personalities, fetishes or belief systems. That state is fixed and permanent. To deny that is to deny science and illustrate that you don't live in objective reality, as you perceive yourself. How are they not??? People are not social constructs.
The noise surrounding the cult topic, along with the mass confusion is ridiculous and your opinions have been rendered irrelevant.
A man presenting with the gender identity of a woman = Still a man
You can't change your gender. You can only reject traditional gender roles by engaging in various levels of cosplay and LARPing, or not. You could have a surgeon alter your appearance to look like a Klingon, and it wouldn't make you a Klingon either. A dude with top and bottom surgery and wearing a dress is still a dude.
:person-turqouise-waving::text-green-game-over:
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