Comments by "Gorilla Disco" (@gorilladisco9108) on "China Observer"
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@heyjo3417 No, it's earlier this month.
The protest was about the transportation vehicles requirement. Before March 1, the worker contractors can use trucks (no roof, no seat, just plain trucks) to transport their workers to the factory sites. Since it is unsafe for the workers, IMIP demanded that worker contractors to use bus after March 1. However, the worker contractors decided to throw tantrum and stopped transporting their workers, hence the riot, which for some reasons, IMIP became the target.
The channel however, conflated it with the protest a year ago about Chinese workers.
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The thing is, the channel conflated the protest about Chinese workers, which happened a year ago, with the most recent protest, which had nothing to do with Chinese workers.
The protest was about the transportation vehicles requirement. Before March 1, the worker contractors can use trucks (no roof, no seat, just plain trucks) to transport their workers to the factory sites. Since it is unsafe for the workers, IMIP demanded that worker contractors to use bus after March 1. However, the worker contractors decided to throw tantrum and stopped transporting their workers, hence the riot, which for some reasons, IMIP became the target.
Kind of ironic, isn't it. If they demand safety, but then when the company establish safety rule, they are mad?
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@ak47modwarfare You can deny it all you want, but history of North America and West Europe had proved beyond reasonable doubt that Karl Marx theory about race to the bottom was wrong.
When the market is saturated, some will start to sell more expensive bread, some will insist on cheap bread, some other will innovate to get even lower price, some will close shop, some will open other trade. And the buyers are not stupid either, contrary to Karl Marx belief. They will choose what bread they will buy. Some will buy better bread, some will insist to buy crappy bread, some will opt to noodle, some will start to bake for themselves.
That's how North America and West Europe achieved prosperity and the rest of the world who infatuated with Karl Marx theory were languished.
btw, in fact I baked my own bread, and it only cost me 50 cents for 6-8 pieces of bread. Yes, it's doable. As I said, some will bake for themselves. Just search youtube for recipes. Developed world bread price is mostly come from service, not ingredients.
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@ak47modwarfare
In my country (Indonesia), wheat or to be precise, flour, is imported by government sanctioned cartel. Won't the cartel build big industry for derivative products from flour? Sure thing. They built the biggest instant ramen factory in the world out of it (google "indomie" for reference). But their greed wouldn't let them keep their flour for themselves.
There are a lot of money to be made by selling flour to general public, so they sell their flour. They even sell it to unaffiliated instant ramen factories (I don't know why, maybe because they can make money easier that way?).
That's how I can get 1 kilogram of flour for less than 1 dollar. And baking 6-8 piece of bread will only need about 2 cups or 250 grams of it. Add sugar, cheese, sesame (or other condiments to your fancy), electricity ... I figure the total to be less than 50 cents a batch or less than 10 cents a piece.
You can't judge something is terrible just because it's cheap. You should examine the price level of the locality, and you can see if the price they put is reasonable or not.
Also, all this talk about food quality in China can be traced to ignorance and confirmation bias. Just because one of them "mining" gutter oil, do not mean that all of them use gutter oil.
My country also has history with gutter oil. It was rampant around 50 years ago when we were far far poorer. But today we are more prosperous, and nobody in their right mind will use gutter oil because it's just not worth the risk of losing one's business just to be able to squeeze a few more cents. No, not because government (well, they will prosecute, of course, but they can be bought🤫), but people talk, consumers talk, everybody talk, and before long nobody will buy your products. And today's easy smartphone access will spread it even faster.
Edit, addition:
"Today, the US seems to be overreliant on china and other countries for manufacturing."
Do you know why Argentina became a poor country? Youtube channel VisualEconomik (or is it its sister channel VisualPolitik? sorry, I forget which one) has a video a few weeks ago that basically said that it all began with Argentina's political elites wanted to make sure Argentina would not have to rely on other country's manufacturing. All went downhill after that.
For me, US problem with China is that China used its manufacturing capability to steal US technology. If it's just to have them manufacture stuffs, then it won't be any problem.
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@michaelbizon444 Sure, there's a subsidy for flour import, that's why I can get flour in comparable price as you even when my country have to import practically all flour I can find in the marketplace.
But we do not compare flour prices. What matter is, both you and I can make bread as cheap as 10 cents a piece with the flour price that we get. And I'm sure that shop in China can make their bread that cheap too, without the need to fulfill your suspicion.
What made bread so expensive in developed world is not the price of its ingredients, but the service price (bakers and waiters won't accept $10 a day wage there). If you exchange the service price of developed world with the service price of China, you can get relatively same price as that shop in the video. So, no need to fulfill your suspicion.
btw, bread is not novelty in China. They have made buns for thousands of years (steamed, not baked). It is a novelty in Indonesia, since as you said, we don't grow wheat here. Bread was introduced by our colonial masters (Dutch's VOC) several centuries ago and only recently it's available at affordable price to general public.
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