Comments by "Toby" (@toby9999) on "Sam Harris Vs Eric Weinstein: Israel-Palestine" video.

  1. Sam is correct about the Mosque. Muslims would care more about that empty building than they would about land or lives. Eric is wrong.
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  2. Eric, keep it simple. The problem is Islam. Period. Sam Harris has it right. Listen to him. The only problem I have is that "jihad" is not the best term to be using due to its ambigiity.
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  3. I wonder why?
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  4. He never has on any topic. Just a massive quantity of long-drawn-out waffle.
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  5. Eric Weinstein LOL Not sure I want to waist any time on this guy....
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  6. Why is that important? Hamas was elected by Palestinians... are you saying hamas wouldn't be elected now if there were a fair and honest elections?
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  7. Hamas are Palestinians elected by Palestinians... what's your point? You comment seems Nazi oriented?
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  8. Nope. Wrong.
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  9. Actually, the far-left hates Jews as does the far-right. It's the folk nearer the centre who have the most balanced world view and support the Jews.
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  10. Where would they go? Israel is their historical homeland. The origin of their religion and culture. Should we move NZ Maori outside of NZ? Should we move the Australian Aboriginal people out of Australia. No to both. This is the point too many people are hypocritical over. The Kurdish people are already in that situation due to stupid border decisions. Israel needs to stay put.
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  11. Actually, modern day Palistine (as a state or country) is effectivelly an Arab colony established in historical Israel. That is all. You have it backward. The whataboutism argument is past its use by date.
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  12. You're the dick. A discussion about the existential right of Israel to exist and Islamic Terrorism, and all you care about is a coaster.
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  13. The people on the other side are mostly nutjobs, so no.
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  14. I have never ever interpreted "jihadist" to mean a devout Muslim within the context of these kinds of discussions. Muslims play semantic games with terminology as a copout. The term "jihad" is too easy for them because of its duel meaning. I have always interpreted Islamist and Jihadist to mean the same thing - an Islamic fanatic who'd happily resort to violence to advance the cause of Islam and/or for revenge and/or to eliminate the infidel. I prefer "Islamist" "radical Islamist" "Islamic terrorist". Jihad is too weak and easily countered by Muslims.
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  15. What the f**k is Weinstein on about? This guy never makes any sense... who cares what the Hamas perspective is. They're batshit crazy terrorists who steal foreign aid, oppress their own citizens and want to massacre Jews. That's all we need to know.
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  16. Correct. Eric uses the concept of a "totalling ideology" to deflect from the specific issues under debate. Of course, people generalise a lot, but Islamic terrorism is a specific problem which exists within a specific religion.
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  17. Then you're then idiot, sadly. Most of what was said by all four was pretty much spot on. Eric over complicates it but in the end he get's there, kind of. The problem is Islam. None of this discussion was racist.
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  18. Sam does not have a coloniser perspective. He has a realist perspective.
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  19. What would the Palestinian ancestral claim look like? They're mostly Arabs, and Arabs have no more of an ancestral claim to Israel than they do to any other non-Arab land. Same applies to the two religions... Islam has no connection with Israel in terms of initial development (apart from spurious claims), whereas Judaism was developed in Israel 2500 years ago. And again, the languages. The connections. The historical clams of each couldn't be more opposite. Even the concept of Palestine as a country is a fabrication, whereas Israel as a concept has a real 3000-year history behind it. I'm not being intentionally argumentative. I believe our positions are somewhat aligned. I stand with Israel. But I'm much less sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, which for many is a hate fuelled desire for genocide. I just struggle with that side of it. Yes, the way Brittian haphazardly divided the region did lead to problems, but on the other hand, reinstating the Jewish homeland after the Ottoman collapse had to be done. It was the only just action to take. I would argue that the Jewish side was shortchanged on territory.
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  20. Yeah, Islamists are incredibly arrogant.
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  21. You're correct, but many people overly complicate the issue. I prefer to keep it simple. When referring to martyrs, I think we're referring to hate fuelled islamic religous extremists who'd die for the cause. And this all takes place within a religous world view where martyrdom is revered. These are not people who die defending others. They die while attacking innocence.
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  22. Yeah, that guy waffles endlessly and says almost nothing, but what he finally does managed to say is too often wrong.
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  23. Only with the help of the West. Ruzzia was originally allied with Nazi Germany until German double crossed them. And even after the war, It was America that put ruzzia back on its feet. A lot of regrets now I'm betting.
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  24. You're wrong. Gaza is autonomous zone. Hamas is the government. The land is not occupied by Israel. But Israel has the right to close its borders and have no dealings with Gaza if it so wishes. Same right every other country on the planet has. If Gaza wants open borders with Israel, it had better stop firing rockets across the border, stop murdering security guards and stop slaughtering Jewish children... etc. Hamas is a fanatical islamic terror organisation that wants to commit another genocide against Jews. You cannot treat such an entiity in the way you appear to expect. I'm wondering... were you trolling? Because you cannot be serious, right?
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  25. Eric constantly bogged down in irrelevancies and deflections. Eric, Islam has always had a violent component. It's not new. It was initiated 1400 years ago through violence. Then he ties Trump into it WTF.
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  26. No, Sam is pretty much spot on with the Israel / Palestinian conflict. He is also spot on with Islam in general. One does not need to be an Islamic scholar and have read all of the texts to figure out the religion is based on "horeshit" to use your term, and that "horeshit" is deep in Jew hatred and evil. Not surprising given that the founder was a caravan raider who promoted and committed all manner of violence and atrocities himself.
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  27. He's the realist.
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  28. Will Eric stop babbling about "Totalising". It's not complicated.
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  29. You mean Eric Weinstein?
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  30. "White Jewish Europeans"... so skin color matters? A person can have Jewish ancestry, live in Europe and have white skin... so what? They are Jewish if that's their core identity. There are Jews living almost every part of the world. That doesn't make them any less Jewish, in the same way someone a Chinese or Indian person living in Europe can still identify as being Chinese or Indian. In New Zealand we have Māori who look white but have Māori ancestry and identify as Māori. "It's just troubling that an ancient book like the "torah" can be used as proof of land ownership"... Only if you spin it the religious (Zionist) way. Fact is that the book being ancient is in and of itself proof of "land ownership". And I mean ownership in the sense that the land is undeniably the Jewish homeland. And I might point out that the Jews have a longer and deeper connection with their ancient homeland than say that of the New Zealand Māori for instance, yet no sane person would deny Māori the right to exist on "their" land. Those who deny the Jewish people the right to exist on their own land are massive hypocrites. "Well I guess Russia has every right to take Ukraine because Kieven Russ"... That's absurd and disingenuous. It reflects a massive misunderstanding of both conflicts and/or intellectual dishonesty. Ukraine has always been a grouping of ethically separate peoples (non-russian). Yes, there were close connections early on but they're not the same people. Ukrainians have been oppressed by russians for much of their recorded history. In the same way, Jews have been oppressed for most of their recorded history by empires and by the Arabs. Being clear here, I stand with Israel in this conflict, just as I stand with Ukraine in their conflict. They both fighting the same axis of evil.
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