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Comments by "Toby" (@toby9999) on "The Roots of Identity Politics: A Conversation with Yascha Mounk (Episode #336)" video.
@We-Wuz-Great-201 You're not understanding what Sam means by not having free will.
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That's just stupid. No one in New Zealand is indigenous - the Māori were boat people who likely only arrived a few centuries before the Europeans. New Zealand was until recently times mostly inhabited by birds. And the number of indigenous Australians is a tiny proportion, something like 3%. But more broadly, it's just semantics. They're labels. Referring to said countries as Western, better describes them in ways that matter geopolitically in our time. For instance, the majority of Australians have European ancestry (i.e. Western) and the majority of New Zealanders have European ancestry (i.e. Western).
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I think what you're referring to will most likely always exist. The issue in my opinion is around solutions and whether or not there is a solution. The first thing to realise is that there will always be inequality. That's just how nature works. No way around it. That's the reality we're born into. We're not clones. Humans are hugely diverse. And right there is one of the issues that the woke movement stumbles on. The idea that everything is a social construct overlayed onto a blank canvas. Wrong. Completely wrong. Start talking about IQ and notice the backlash. What are we to do about differences? That's where the woke movement goes completely off the rails. Make everything about power is another one. There's a lot I could say, but this a YouTube and much is already covered in the discussion. But bottom line: the woke solutions are divisive toxic and irrational.
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@jimmyjames5685 Yes, and that's how it should be.
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Not really. Why should ethnic origins or accents matter at all?
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You criticise Sam Harris and Yascha Mounk but listen to Bret Weinstein? You should know that Bret Weinstein's podcast is not a reliable source. I'd been a fan for years, but he went well off the rails during the pandemic. Not credible.
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@whatsthatnoise5955 The OP didn't say climate change was an extension of the woke movement, but it's being push most heavily by the same crowd. It's very easy to fall into the trap as I did around 2019 of going hard core conservative and mocking the left. The bullshit spread by the far right during the pandemic was the wakeup call I needed. I realised that both sides were mad and that somewhere in the middle can be found balance. I am still "anti-woke" but I no longer look to the right for solutions. Both the left and right can be like broken clocks, depending on the topic.
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Someone has to do it.
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There are many names for it. Some were mentioned, but yes, yours is pretty much on point.
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Many of them cannot be fixed and should not be fixed. That's why many of the "woke" solutions cause more problems than they solve.
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There's no irony in it. We all have equal rights to an opinion. Skin colour, gender etc. are irrelevent to truth and fact. Your attitude is part of the problem being discussed. The idea that a white man's opinion is less important is itself racist.
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