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This guy gets so much crap now, but he was an absolute warrior. He fought Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho when they were old, he fought Mosley, Hopkins and Trinidad when they were great and he fought Mayweather and Pacquiao when HE was old. That's 3 generations of first ballot Hall of Famers. Not to mention Vargas, Quartey, Chicanito, Ruelas, Gatti, Leija, Maromero, Sturm, Mago, John John... The man was a warrior.
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@anthonyc2072 If you don't think I watched the fight, that's fine, I don't care. And I didn't say he didn't have any power, I said I don't think he has much; if he did, with as clean as he was able to hit Guzman, despite him being in survival mode, and his first opponent, and with as accurate as he is, he probably would have stopped both of them. Still, you're acting like I said something bad about him and I didn't. Big deal. He isn't a puncher. Doesn't mean he can't fight. And if it's so annoying talking to me, then maybe you should just stop talking.
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@MrMarco855 Fair enough and I appreciate your defending him but, as I said, he's my favorite fighter ever, so I appreciate his warts as well. They actually enhance his legacy all these years later. How can a former middleweight end up, with his belly jiggling, standing directly in front of arguably the hardest punching heavyweight at the time, losing a split decision that he should have won. Previously did the same thing to the best cruiserweight at the time and wore down and nearly stopped a guy who specialized in wearing people down. He was JAMES TONEY. It didn't matter how hard you hit because it wasn't like there was a chance in hell that you could catch him with a clean punch anyway. He was not above critique -- no one is, we're all hilariously flawed -- and if he somehow were I would not love him so much. So I agree that he's been criticized in an exaggerated way, but to the extent that it was true, I couldn't care less. The same way I don't care that Julian Jackson didn't have the greatest chin, or Michael Carbajal had a leaky defense, or Terry Norris' chin wasn't the greatest either and he had a few loose screws, or Jean Pascal seemingly made it his mission to break every single rule in "the book". I loved all of them, but no one like James Toney.
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@alvindavis4158 lol, thank you Alvin! Ricardo Lopez is difficult to place because of the quality of his opposition. Off the top of my head, the only fighter he fought that REALLY gets credit is Rosendo Alvarez, and really the only reason (or the biggest reason I should say), that he gets that credit is because he had a draw with Lopez and dropped him and a lot of people thought that he won. And Lopez never went up to fight Gonzalez and Carbajal in his day. When he did go up, either those guys were gone or he just didn't fight them. I think he fought Will Grigsby and the South African and called it a day. Something like that. But if I go by just what I saw, the 'eye test'. You could put them in any order that you want, in terms of non active fighters, it's Chavez, it's Sanchez and it's Ricardo Lopez. I'd put him that high based on what I SAW from him. I think he beats Chiquita Gonzalez and Michael Carbajal in good fights, but we'll never know, obviously. But Lopez doesn't have the resume that guys like... Barrera, Morales, Marquez and Olivares..... so if you want to put them over him, I understand that.
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@Streetsmart1984 After the Hagler fight, he lost to Duane Thomas in kind of a fluky way after having Thomas hurt but then Mugabi went right back to doing what he did prior to Hagler, which was beating up on lower level guys. Now had he lost to one of THOSE guys, I could see your argument about him carrying around so much baggage from Hagler, but that wasn't the case. He didn't run into trouble until he stepped up again, against Norris and McClellan. You look at that and say he was depleted from Hagler, fine you're entitled to your opinion, but he was still good enough, after Hagler, to do what he was doing BEFORE Hagler.
And, again, you're entitled to your opinion, but I cannot see what Mugabi did in his career that would make you think he could have beaten Mike McCallum at any point. No reason to suggest that when his biggest accomplishment in the ring is a loss.
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@ Some of those guys are busy. Eggington, Holmes, Agyarko all have fights coming up - probably won't be ready by June. Some of them, Mendoza, Adams, Singh, are coming off losses, I wouldn't make those fights. And some of them are just too good. Fighting Bohachuk, Conwell, Kelly (I don't think much of Kelly, but he still has high rankings) are eliminators and he isn't fighting eliminators with a WBO #1. Barao also has a #1, he's probably waiting for Tellez, after Crawford vacates. That leaves the rest of them and I would think from those, Lima, Silva and MAYBE Lubko would be the top choices.
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