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Julio Arriola So far you have provided not one ounce of evidence for your imaginary ghost.
The Gospels Were Written As Christian Propaganda
Christianity and sweet, sweet propaganda!
Christianity and sweet, sweet propaganda!
To Christians everywhere the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the authoritative sources of the happenings of the life of Christ as written by his disciples, those who knew him best and observed his ministry.
Originally there were many more Gospels. When the final four were settled on as the orthodox account in the second century the other gospels were denounced as heretical. Copies of these âspareâ gospels were found in the Dead Sea, and at Nag Hammadi during the previous century but there is no evidence of who wrote them and none appear to be copies of a contemporaneous source. One of these documents, however, the Gospel of Thomas, does appear to predate the Gospel of Mark. It does not contain any reference to Jesus as a historical figure, as the messiah or any reference to the resurrection.
It is, instead, a collection of âsayingsâ. It was denounced as heresy.
The fact that the leaders of the early church denounced this original Gospel in favor of four mostly narrative pieces of writing, shows that they were selecting works for the purpose of creating an evidentiary trail for the existence of Jesus.
Itâs the 21st Century CE. I suggest you wake up and engage with it.
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vadouis No need to follow up anything. You believe in irrational fictional fantasy cult nonsense.
Here is more fact to disprove your fairy tale.
The Gospels Were Written As Christian Propaganda
Christianity and sweet, sweet propaganda!
To Christians everywhere the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the authoritative sources of the happenings of the life of Christ as written by his disciples, those who knew him best and observed his ministry.
Originally there were many more Gospels. When the final four were settled on as the orthodox account in the second century the other gospels were denounced as heretical. Copies of these âspareâ gospels were found in the Dead Sea, and at Nag Hammadi during the previous century but there is no evidence of who wrote them and none appear to be copies of a contemporaneous source. One of these documents, however, the Gospel of Thomas, does appear to predate the Gospel of Mark. It does not contain any reference to Jesus as a historical figure, as the messiah or any reference to the resurrection.
It is, instead, a collection of âsayingsâ. It was denounced as heresy.
The fact that the leaders of the early church denounced this original Gospel in favor of four mostly narrative pieces of writing, shows that they were selecting works for the purpose of creating an evidentiary trail for the existence of Jesus.
Again....put down the pre-medieval dark age laughable superstition and grow up.
Have you ever opened a history or science book?
We read Ken Humphries book âJesus Never Existedâ in post-graduate history class.
What is your world view?
Do you even have a passport?
Anyhoo....itâs okay....Islam is the worse fantasy tale.
Thatâs really all you have goingđ€Ł
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Mr Wash You never investigated the worlds religions and then chose Christianity. You were indoctrinated by your peers from a young age.
As for god - just a fantasy for morons.
How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.
Ergo - no God and no fictional Jesus.
Grow up!
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Mr Wash You believe in non-existent deluded fantasies, which is so absurdly pathetic.
Jesus never existed. That is the conclusion of a researcher who says he has combed 126 texts written during or shortly after the time Jesus is supposed to have lived â and found no mention of Jesus whatsoever.
The claim that Jesus, the messianic figure at the center of the worldâs largest religion, Christianity, was simply a fictional character is not a new one. Advocates of the âMythical Jesusâ theory have been around for years, arguing that the story of Jesus bears a close resemblance to numerous other mythological stories of ancient gods who were born of virgin mothers and performed miracles.
In a new article entitled âThe Fable of the Christ,â Michael Paulkovich summarizes his findings, or lack of findings, which lead him to believe that Jesus never actually existed, but is instead a fictional character, made up to give followers of the religion founded in his name a central icon worthy of their worship.
Paulkovich says that only one of the 126 texts he combed through contains any mention of Jesus â and that, he says, is a forgery. That text is the first-century history book The Jewish Wars by the Roman historian Josephus Flavius, who wrote his work in the year 95 CE.
But, despite making his home just one mile from Jesusâs supposed hometown of Nazareth, Josephus appears totally unaware of the famous miracle worker who later went to Jerusalem where he became such a political threat that the Romans found it necessary to execute him by crucifixion.
The few mentions of Jesus in The Jewish Wars, were added by later editors, not by Josephus himself.
Otherwise, says the author, despite the remarkable feats Jesus is alleged to have performed and the great deal of political unrest caused by his arrival in Jerusalem, not a single writer from the time and place of Jesusâs life finds that Jesus so much as rates a footnote.
âEmperor Titus, Cassius Dio, Maximus, Moeragenes, Lucian, Soterichus Oasites, Euphrates, Marcus Aurelius, or Damis of Hierapolis. It seems none of these writers from first to third century ever heard of Jesus, global miracles and alleged worldwide fame be damned,â Paulkovich said in a recent interview.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, also known as the Qumran texts, also contain no mention of Jesus. Even the Apostle Paul, the New Testament figure credited with spreading the new religion that came to be called âChristianityâ shortly after the supposed death of Jesus, never says that Jesus was a a real person â even in the Bible itself.
âPaul is unaware of the virgin mother, and ignorant of Jesusâ nativity, parentage, life events, ministry, miracles, apostles, betrayal, trial and harrowing passion,â Paulkovich states. âPaul knows neither where nor when Jesus lived, and considers the crucifixion metaphorical.â
While today Christianity has become the most popular religion in world history, with 2.2 billion human beings calling themselves Christians, Paulkovich points out that as late as the the Fourth Century, Christianity was still a small and widely persecuted cult.
The invention of a mythical figure for followers of the cult to rally around gave the early Christians the strength to survive, according to this theory. On the other hand, another recent advocate of the âMythical Jesusâ believes that Christ was invented by the Romans as propaganda to pacify the public.
âWhen I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not â and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumran and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions,â Paulkovich writes, âI must conclude that Christ is a mythical character.â
Jesus never existed and there is nothing you do about it cultist.
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Samuel M No god.
Proof #1 - Try praying
How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.
Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.
If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens. What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true. Therefore, one of two things must be happening:
God is imaginary.
God does exist, but he never answers prayers. Unfortunately, God is defined by the Bible to be a prayer-answering being. The contradiction between the reality of God and the definition of God proves that God is imaginary.
In fact, we have ample scientific evidence to demonstrate that the belief in prayer is nothing but pure superstition.
Grow up you delusional irrational cultist.
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Samuel M Realize that God is impossible
If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:
"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions."
Most believers would agree with this definition because they share a remarkably clear and consistent view of God. Yes, there are thousands of minor quibbles about religion. Believers express those quibbles in dozens of denominations -- Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and such. But at the heart of it all, the belief in God aligns on a set of core ideas that everyone accepts.
What if you were to simply think about what it would mean if there were a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe? Is it possible for such a being to exist? Epicures thought about it in 300 BCE, and he came up with this:
"The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, than they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, then they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"
In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.
Take this quote from the fictional Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year.
Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have free will in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil.
Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.
As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.
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kevin palomo The has hundreds of authors over a few hundred years. Itâs been edited, re-edited, bits taken out, bits added, kings redacting parts, more bits added, re-edited.....etc...and so forth.
Virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, Noah, Jesus, god, world wide flood, heaven, hell, Devil........all just absurd badly written fictional fantasy.
I suggest you put down the silly irrational deluded dark age superstition and grow up.
Itâs the 21st Century CE....engage with reality.
Not only is nothing in the bible capable of being directly linked to the time in which Jesus was reputed to be alive
but there are absolutely no contemporaneous accounts that speak of Jesus. As far as the historical record is concerned he just did not exist. The Gospels claim that Jesusâ ministry was famous across the region and well known to people such as Herod and Pontius Pilate. In the later part of his ministry it is claimed that he was followed by great multitudes of people and, of course, in one instance that he fed 5,000.
There is not a single mention in him in military records or dispatches back to Rome (surely anyone who could command huge gatherings of people in a potentially disruptive province should be of interest). He is not mentioned in the records of Herodâs court nor is he mentioned in the records of the Temple or by any Priests. Surely if he was believed by some to be a prophet and others to be a false prophet some mention of the ructions he was causing in Judean civic and religious society should have been recorded. Some people like to point to the supposed letters of Pontius Pilate as evidence of Jesusâ life but these were a work of fiction. There is utterly no proof or evidence to support the claim Jesus was ever real.
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James coaches15 Hey home schooler - educate yourself.
Proof #1 - Try praying
How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.
Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.
If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens (for a complete discussion proving that nothing happens, please see this page). What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true. Therefore, one of two things must be happening:
God is imaginary.
God does exist, but he never answers prayers. Unfortunately, God is defined by the Bible to be a prayer-answering being. The contradiction between the reality of God and the definition of God proves that God is imaginary.
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MosesTheRedSeas God is a deluded nonexistent nothing. Educate yourself fool.
Proof #1 - Try praying
How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.
Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.
If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens (for a complete discussion proving that nothing happens, please see this page). What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true. Therefore, one of two things must be happening:
God is imaginary.
God does exist, but he never answers prayers. Unfortunately, God is defined by the Bible to be a prayer-answering being. The contradiction between the reality of God and the definition of God proves that God is imaginary.
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Dreams, Visions, and Revelations I am just a normal person with a good relationship with reality.
Jesus never existed and the Bible and the Quran are horribly awful fiction.
Anyone who has lived, even a simple carpenter, will leave possessions after their death. The Gospels claim that the soldiers on duty at the crucifixion cast lots to share out Jesusâ clothing amongst them. Had he really had many devoted disciples (who would have been disgusted at their failure to protect him in the Garden) they or his grieving family would surely have tried to purchase or barter back the clothing. Such items would have been invaluable in the formation of the new church.
Nevertheless, nothing, absolutely nothing from Jesusâ life remained, even shortly after his demise. In the 12th Century people started to mention that they owned the shroud in which Jesus had been wrapped and, years later it surfaced in Turin. It was accepted as a genuine artifact for many years but carbon dating in the 20th Century showed it to be a 12th Century forgery. An ossuary claiming to hold the bones of James, brother of Jesus was also found to be a forgery. There is not one single, verifiable, tangible object in existence today or known to have existed at any time in the past 2,000 years that belonged to Jesus.
As a scholar I have examined the historical record, read the Bible and every other religious tome (unlike you) and come to the conclusion itâs all silly unsubstantiated meaningless nonsense for indoctrinated gullible naive fools.
Tithing is the 2nd stupidest thing a person can do after going to church and listening to some dipshit in funny clothing talk cult gibberish from a fairy tale book of superstitious crap.
Grow up.
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Dreams, Visions, and Revelations You never made a choice. You were mentally bullied into believing absurd cult dog shit.
Jesus never existed.
Children who grow up in Western societies, even if not formally educated in the Christian tradition, are aware of the amazing life story of Jesus. He was conceived and born in a stable to a virgin (Mary), escaped death at the hands of a tyrant (Herod) in his infancy, grew to be a precociously knowledgeable child, started his ministry of preaching before giving himself to be sacrificed, resurrecting after death and giving rise to a new covenant for the remission of sins. It is a story full of wonder and hope and, for many people it would appear unique and it is an article of deep faith and belief for billions of Christians around the world.
Sadly it is not unique. The story of Jesus is no more original than any modern day knock off of Romeo and Juliet. Many mythologies have a Christ like character whose story is set around the same pattern. Osiris, the Egyptian god of the underworld had a very similar life story and the ancient Egyptians celebrated his âpassionâ with gusto. Osirisâ son, Horus was born to a virgin in a cave with a star overhead. He was visited by shepherds and gods. Horus was said to be the âlight of the worldâ. He started to become active aged about 30 and many miracles were attributed to him that also appear in the gospels including walking on water and letting the blind see again.
But the similarities do not stop there. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a virgin woman; he was able to turn water into wine and was killed and resurrected. Attis, another Greek god was honored every spring in a ritual in which his effigy was buried and believed to rise again after three days. Hercules was reputed to be another god/virgin offspring who was killed and rose again.
Perhaps the now defunct Christ figure with the most surprisingly similar story was Mithras whose life was an almost exact parallel, his worshipers even celebrated his birthday on 25 December.
Keep striving home schooler.
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Samuel M Your fictional dipshit never existed.
Three Reasons why Jesus is Not Coming Back
1. He plainly said he was going to come back within the lifetimes of the people in the New Testament. He didnât. Now we have all sorts of strange theological interpretations to explain this away.
2. It has been 2000 years. The only reason anyone thinks this is reasonable is because every individual human lives a short time. If anyone had the pleasure of living the time from then until now, he would have gotten the message by now.
3. Give the world a closer look. Look at the things that people are discovering. Look at scientific progress. What do we notice about these things? They are in progress. They are âgoing somewhere.â There is a sense that we are going to make even more new scientific discoveries for a long time hence. People are going to figure lots of things out.
Now, let us assume that the universe was designed by God. In that case, it is plain as day that there is a story in progress, and that nobody is going to shut the whole universe down and interrupt it.
âLetâs create the Higgs boson. Theyâll build this huge machine capable of detecting it⊠and then Iâll swoop down and end the universe and sort people into heaven and hell before they get a chance.â
âLetâs create a physics much different from the physics of heaven (since, you know, entropy and stuff). Weâll let them get about 80% of the way to figuring it all out before we shut things down.â
Now letâs assume that the universe wasnât designed by God. In that case itâs easy to believe that a black hole might swallow the earth, or an asteroid might end human history without any sympathy, at any timeâand indeed, we take these possibilities seriously. But if you believe in an all-powerful God, you canât believe that. You have to admit that it makes zero, zilch, zip sense for God to bring all this to a grinding halt, because we are in the middle of a whole bunch of long-running enterprises (which he created for us to piece together, right?), and they are all clearly unfinished. And it could go on like this for pretty much as long as we exist.
If you look around, you can see that thereâs no reason God would let it get to this point, after all this time, and then stop the show. It radically departs from our experience. Most people would not even know what was happeningâthey wouldnât say âoh no, I was wrong, Jesus is back,â theyâd say âwhat? Who?â Weâve got even more âunreachedâ people today than we had 2000 years ago.
When the Harold Camping debacle was going on, mainstream Christians joined in the fun and said that Camping was crazy. How is he any less crazy than Christians who thinks itâs going to happen on some other day? The âcrazyâ part isnât that he thought he knew the dateâthe âcrazyâ part was thinking it was actually going to happen.
Deep down, you donât think Jesus is coming back either. Just try waking up each day and asking yourself: is this the day? Should the stock traders all go home? You know it isnât the day. All it takes is the brief extrapolation that each day, you know it isnât going to be the day. It isnât ever going to be the day.
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Whenever I used to think about my own death, I used to secretly think that maybe Jesus would come back before I had to die, since we were living in the end times. Of course I really hoped that didnât happen before I got married and had sex, because that would suck.
Hey, Iâm not the only one to have had this crazy thought. It probably ran through every male evangelicalâs mindâI recall a sermon by Charles Price where he quoted a friend of his:
âI know when Jesus will come back,â recounted Price, âitâll be on my wedding night. Weâll just be on our way back to the motel and poof ah, just my luck.â
This is what we used to spend our time thinking about. Anyway, donât worry (or do worry, depending on how you feel about it), because Jesus isnât coming back, and therefore he isnât coming back before we die. People might deny the former, but as time goes on, they will find it hard to deny the latter; and eventually they will have to accept it.
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Samuel M Jesus âdipshitâ Christ never existed. Nothing but a meaningless fictional fantasy character.
Three Reasons why Jesus is Not Coming Back
1. He plainly said he was going to come back within the lifetimes of the people in the New Testament. He didnât. Now we have all sorts of strange theological interpretations to explain this away.
2. It has been 2000 years. The only reason anyone thinks this is reasonable is because every individual human lives a short time. If anyone had the pleasure of living the time from then until now, he would have gotten the message by now.
3. Give the world a closer look. Look at the things that people are discovering. Look at scientific progress. What do we notice about these things? They are in progress. They are âgoing somewhere.â There is a sense that we are going to make even more new scientific discoveries for a long time hence. People are going to figure lots of things out.
Now, let us assume that the universe was designed by God. In that case, it is plain as day that there is a story in progress, and that nobody is going to shut the whole universe down and interrupt it.
âLetâs create the Higgs boson. Theyâll build this huge machine capable of detecting it⊠and then Iâll swoop down and end the universe and sort people into heaven and hell before they get a chance.â
âLetâs create a physics much different from the physics of heaven (since, you know, entropy and stuff). Weâll let them get about 80% of the way to figuring it all out before we shut things down.â
Now letâs assume that the universe wasnât designed by God. In that case itâs easy to believe that a black hole might swallow the earth, or an asteroid might end human history without any sympathy, at any timeâand indeed, we take these possibilities seriously. But if you believe in an all-powerful God, you canât believe that. You have to admit that it makes zero, zilch, zip sense for God to bring all this to a grinding halt, because we are in the middle of a whole bunch of long-running enterprises (which he created for us to piece together, right?), and they are all clearly unfinished. And it could go on like this for pretty much as long as we exist.
If you look around, you can see that thereâs no reason God would let it get to this point, after all this time, and then stop the show. It radically departs from our experience. Most people would not even know what was happeningâthey wouldnât say âoh no, I was wrong, Jesus is back,â theyâd say âwhat? Who?â Weâve got even more âunreachedâ people today than we had 2000 years ago.
When the Harold Camping debacle was going on, mainstream Christians joined in the fun and said that Camping was crazy. How is he any less crazy than Christians who thinks itâs going to happen on some other day? The âcrazyâ part isnât that he thought he knew the dateâthe âcrazyâ part was thinking it was actually going to happen.
Deep down, you donât think Jesus is coming back either. Just try waking up each day and asking yourself: is this the day? Should the stock traders all go home? You know it isnât the day. All it takes is the brief extrapolation that each day, you know it isnât going to be the day. It isnât ever going to be the day.
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Whenever I used to think about my own death, I used to secretly think that maybe Jesus would come back before I had to die, since we were living in the end times. Of course I really hoped that didnât happen before I got married and had sex, because that would suck.
Hey, Iâm not the only one to have had this crazy thought. It probably ran through every male evangelicalâs mindâI recall a sermon by Charles Price where he quoted a friend of his:
âI know when Jesus will come back,â recounted Price, âitâll be on my wedding night. Weâll just be on our way back to the motel and poof ah, just my luck.â
This is what we used to spend our time thinking about. Anyway, donât worry (or do worry, depending on how you feel about it), because Jesus isnât coming back, and therefore he isnât coming back before we die. People might deny the former, but as time goes on, they will find it hard to deny the latter; and eventually they will have to accept it.
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Samuel M Science, education, history, logic, intelligence, rational thinking and common sense all find you pathetically absurd.
Top 10 Bible Prophecy FAILS
1.Isaiah 17:1
"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."
FAIL: Damascus is generally considered the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world and it is still inhabited today with almost two million people. Never in it's history was never a time where it ceased to be a city. How did the "Lord Almighty" miss that one? Two million people is not exactly a "Where's Waldo".
2.Isaiah 19:4-5
"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."
FAIL: The river mentioned here is the Nile which has never dried up in since historians began to keep records of such things (nor even in the oral record of times before). How does an omniscient being miss one of the largest rivers in the world? Once he realized it wasn't going to dry up, couldn't he just have willed it to happen just to keep his rep intact? Guess me must have forgotten about this one.
3. Isaiah 52:1
"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."
FAIL: Um, there is currently no restriction on uncircumcised men entering the city. How would you even pass such a law, let alone enforce it? It is hard enough getting people to accept the airport scanners without telling them they have to whip it out for an official "ant-eater" hunt too.
4. Ezekiel 30:10-11
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army - the most ruthless of nations - will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain."
FAIL: Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer Egypt filling it's borders with the slain. In 568 BCE Nebuchadnezzar attempted to conquer Egypt without success. Egypt's king ruled for another generation and outlived Nebuchadnezzar thereby escaping the fulfillment of this prophecy. The Egyptians were not scattered or dispersed or slain in droves across the lands.
5. Ezekiel 29:10-11
"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."
FAIL: Egypt has NEVER been uninhabited, let alone for forty years, in it's history (since it's inception). It is currently inhabited by almost 80 million people.
6 .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34
16:28
"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
23:36
"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."
24:34
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
FAIL: Jesus says very clearly that the things that would demarcate the end of the world would be fulfilled before that era's current generation passed away. He said that it would happen before the people that were standing in front of him "tasted death". That was 2000 years ago. Either he is a terrible prognosticator, or he is habitually late. SO late in fact that people die and a hundred generations can pass before he remembers his promises. I think that being 2000 years late qualifies this one as FAILED.
7. Isaiah 7:14
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
FAIL: It is Christian tradition to accept that Jesus was born to a virgin. This is a translation error but it merits being mentioned. The "virgin" in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Now on to the prophecy... nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel. Can't the writers even fulfill prophecy that was in earlier chapters of their own book?? So either Jesus wasn't that son, or he has a brother that hasn't come yet whose name is Immanuel, or this one is total nonsense. Either way, the prophecy is left unfulfilled. I can't get over how the bible's editors let this one slip by. JK Rowling would never stand for this.
8. Matthew 2:23
"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
FAIL: Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled? Why talk about a divine prophecy that isn't even found in the "inerrant" word of that divinity?
9. Genesis 4:12
"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth."
FAIL: As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Seems like a pretty light punishment for murder but looks like God can't even hold this "prophecy" true. In a mere four verses later (4:16-17) Cain settles down, marries, has a son, and is the founder of his very own city. This is a pretty sweet deal for a fugitive and a vagabond. I am pretty sure that there is not criminal on the face of the earth who wouldn't accept THAT as punishment for their crime. I can see it now. "Oh yea God, you done me good! I learned my lesson. I wish that I could live in my own filth on the run from the law like all my other vagabond/fugitive friends instead of living with my family and having my own city. This is BS! I truly regret my crimes *wink wink*"
10. 2 Samuel 7:16
"Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.â
FAIL: God says that David's kingdom will last forever. By forever he must have meant 400 years. I mean, what would David know then? He would be dead. So he allowed it to be destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt. So does forever=400 years?
If your answer is no (and grade 1 math reveals that "no" IS the answer) then we can see the inerrant bible revealed for what it is....
.....The writings of men, and completely fallible.
I just want to point out that I am not interested in debating other prophecies at this point. If the bible is divine, it shouldn't be this easy to pick 10 and debunk them almost effortlessly.
If this isn't evidence against the divinity of the terrible book called the bible, I don't know what is.
Peace
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Samuel M Top 10 Bible Prophecy FAILS
1.Isaiah 17:1
"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."
FAIL: Damascus is generally considered the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world and it is still inhabited today with almost two million people. Never in it's history was never a time where it ceased to be a city. How did the "Lord Almighty" miss that one? Two million people is not exactly a "Where's Waldo".
2.Isaiah 19:4-5
"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."
FAIL: The river mentioned here is the Nile which has never dried up in since historians began to keep records of such things (nor even in the oral record of times before). How does an omniscient being miss one of the largest rivers in the world? Once he realized it wasn't going to dry up, couldn't he just have willed it to happen just to keep his rep intact? Guess me must have forgotten about this one.
3. Isaiah 52:1
"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."
FAIL: Um, there is currently no restriction on uncircumcised men entering the city. How would you even pass such a law, let alone enforce it? It is hard enough getting people to accept the airport scanners without telling them they have to whip it out for an official "ant-eater" hunt too.
4. Ezekiel 30:10-11
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army - the most ruthless of nations - will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain."
FAIL: Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer Egypt filling it's borders with the slain. In 568 BCE Nebuchadnezzar attempted to conquer Egypt without success. Egypt's king ruled for another generation and outlived Nebuchadnezzar thereby escaping the fulfillment of this prophecy. The Egyptians were not scattered or dispersed or slain in droves across the lands.
5. Ezekiel 29:10-11
"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."
FAIL: Egypt has NEVER been uninhabited, let alone for forty years, in it's history (since it's inception). It is currently inhabited by almost 80 million people.
6 .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34
16:28
"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
23:36
"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."
24:34
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
FAIL: Jesus says very clearly that the things that would demarcate the end of the world would be fulfilled before that era's current generation passed away. He said that it would happen before the people that were standing in front of him "tasted death". That was 2000 years ago. Either he is a terrible prognosticator, or he is habitually late. SO late in fact that people die and a hundred generations can pass before he remembers his promises. I think that being 2000 years late qualifies this one as FAILED.
7. Isaiah 7:14
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
FAIL: It is Christian tradition to accept that Jesus was born to a virgin. This is a translation error but it merits being mentioned. The "virgin" in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Now on to the prophecy... nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel. Can't the writers even fulfill prophecy that was in earlier chapters of their own book?? So either Jesus wasn't that son, or he has a brother that hasn't come yet whose name is Immanuel, or this one is total nonsense. Either way, the prophecy is left unfulfilled. I can't get over how the bible's editors let this one slip by. JK Rowling would never stand for this.
8. Matthew 2:23
"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
FAIL: Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled? Why talk about a divine prophecy that isn't even found in the "inerrant" word of that divinity?
9. Genesis 4:12
"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth."
FAIL: As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Seems like a pretty light punishment for murder but looks like God can't even hold this "prophecy" true. In a mere four verses later (4:16-17) Cain settles down, marries, has a son, and is the founder of his very own city. This is a pretty sweet deal for a fugitive and a vagabond. I am pretty sure that there is not criminal on the face of the earth who wouldn't accept THAT as punishment for their crime. I can see it now. "Oh yea God, you done me good! I learned my lesson. I wish that I could live in my own filth on the run from the law like all my other vagabond/fugitive friends instead of living with my family and having my own city. This is BS! I truly regret my crimes *wink wink*"
10. 2 Samuel 7:16
"Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.â
FAIL: God says that David's kingdom will last forever. By forever he must have meant 400 years. I mean, what would David know then? He would be dead. So he allowed it to be destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt. So does forever=400 years?
If your answer is no (and grade 1 math reveals that "no" IS the answer) then we can see the inerrant bible revealed for what it is....
.....The writings of men, and completely fallible.
I just want to point out that I am not interested in debating other prophecies at this point. If the bible is divine, it shouldn't be this easy to pick 10 and debunk them almost effortlessly.
If this isn't evidence against the divinity of the terrible book called the bible, I don't know what is.
Peace
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American Patriot Since god is an imaginary nonexistent concept and Jesus never existed your point is mute, irrelevant and meaningless.
The reason creationism isnât taught in accredited colleges and universities is because itâs unsubstantiated, incoherent, fraudulent, irrational, unscientific, fact less illogical gibberish.
Meanwhile evolutionary theory is taught, is respected, gets professorships, phds, awards, Nobels and a ton of research data and accessible publications and information.
Iâll wait for your peer reviewed paper on creationism. It would be a first in academia.
You have no business teaching other humans nothing but how to make ice or microwave popcorn.
Fancy believing in dark age superstition in the 21st Century CE.đđđ
Grow up.
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Andrew Long Jesus never existed you deluded cult moron.
Three Reasons why Jesus is Not Coming Back
1. He plainly said he was going to come back within the lifetimes of the people in the New Testament. He didnât. Now we have all sorts of strange theological interpretations to explain this away.
2. It has been 2000 years. The only reason anyone thinks this is reasonable is because every individual human lives a short time. If anyone had the pleasure of living the time from then until now, he would have gotten the message by now.
3. Give the world a closer look. Look at the things that people are discovering. Look at scientific progress. What do we notice about these things? They are in progress. They are âgoing somewhere.â There is a sense that we are going to make even more new scientific discoveries for a long time hence. People are going to figure lots of things out.
Now, let us assume that the universe was designed by God. In that case, it is plain as day that there is a story in progress, and that nobody is going to shut the whole universe down and interrupt it.
âLetâs create the Higgs boson. Theyâll build this huge machine capable of detecting it⊠and then Iâll swoop down and end the universe and sort people into heaven and hell before they get a chance.â
âLetâs create a physics much different from the physics of heaven (since, you know, entropy and stuff). Weâll let them get about 80% of the way to figuring it all out before we shut things down.â
Now letâs assume that the universe wasnât designed by God. In that case itâs easy to believe that a black hole might swallow the earth, or an asteroid might end human history without any sympathy, at any timeâand indeed, we take these possibilities seriously. But if you believe in an all-powerful God, you canât believe that. You have to admit that it makes zero, zilch, zip sense for God to bring all this to a grinding halt, because we are in the middle of a whole bunch of long-running enterprises (which he created for us to piece together, right?), and they are all clearly unfinished. And it could go on like this for pretty much as long as we exist.
If you look around, you can see that thereâs no reason God would let it get to this point, after all this time, and then stop the show. It radically departs from our experience. Most people would not even know what was happeningâthey wouldnât say âoh no, I was wrong, Jesus is back,â theyâd say âwhat? Who?â Weâve got even more âunreachedâ people today than we had 2000 years ago.
When the Harold Camping debacle was going on, mainstream Christians joined in the fun and said that Camping was crazy. How is he any less crazy than Christians who thinks itâs going to happen on some other day? The âcrazyâ part isnât that he thought he knew the dateâthe âcrazyâ part was thinking it was actually going to happen.
Deep down, you donât think Jesus is coming back either. Just try waking up each day and asking yourself: is this the day? Should the stock traders all go home? You know it isnât the day. All it takes is the brief extrapolation that each day, you know it isnât going to be the day. It isnât ever going to be the day.
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Whenever I used to think about my own death, I used to secretly think that maybe Jesus would come back before I had to die, since we were living in the end times. Of course I really hoped that didnât happen before I got married and had sex, because that would suck.
Hey, Iâm not the only one to have had this crazy thought. It probably ran through every male evangelicalâs mindâI recall a sermon by Charles Price where he quoted a friend of his:
âI know when Jesus will come back,â recounted Price, âitâll be on my wedding night. Weâll just be on our way back to the motel and poof ah, just my luck.â
This is what we used to spend our time thinking about. Anyway, donât worry (or do worry, depending on how you feel about it), because Jesus isnât coming back, and therefore he isnât coming back before we die. People might deny the former, but as time goes on, they will find it hard to deny the latter; and eventually they will have to accept it.
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Apbt 2010 When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus Christ, one piece of "evidence" that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to 100 C.E. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavium."
"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379).
This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best "proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature.
Jesus never existed and the historical record proves that.
All you have is deluded indoctrinated unsubstantiated cult gibberish.
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YourMasterBro Jesus never existed.
There is no historical reference to Jesusâ life, death or the crucifixionânothing at all. John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence1 lists the following contemporary historians/writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus was supposed to have lived:
Apollonius Persius Appian Petronius
Arrian Phaedrus Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
Columella Phlegon Damis Pliny the Elder
Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger Dion Pruseus Plutarch
Epictetus Pompon Mela Favorinus Ptolemy
Florus Lucius Quintilian Hermogones Quintius Curtius
Josephus Seneca Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
Juvenal Statius Lucanus Suetonius
Lucian Tacitus Lysias Theon of Smyran
Martial Valerius Flaccus Paterculus Valerius Maximus
Pausanias
According to Remsburg,
âEnough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.â
Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information of the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.
Reason would dictate that if all the miracles which Jesus supposedly performed or surrounded him:
1. Being born of a virgin mother;
2. Three Magi following the brightest star forever to see the demigod;
3. The slaying of the innocent babies;
4. Raising the dead, healing the blind and lame;
4. Having the sky turn to blackness when Jesus died;
5. Earthquakes in the region;
6. The zombie saints coming out of their graves going to Jerusalem; and
7. The Resurrection.
that at least one of these world headline news events would have at least a small mention by at least one of the foregoing historian and writers. But, NO, they are totally silent!
Only Christian writers wrote about this. Do you think they were biased? Were the stories true or did these writers just continue the myth? Were they trying to promote a new religion, based upon Paul using the Jesusâ myth? And so the fiction continues to this day.
Pastors today, often when they talk to a disbelieves in Jesus, often ask; â not expecting an answer, but designed to throw the missionary 'target' off balance â âWas Jesus a fraud, a liar, a lunatic?â Isnât it strange that they never mention that the Christian bible records that even Jesusâ direct family thought he was mad? And Mary, his mother never thought of him as âdivine.â
ABC News, and Peter Jennings could not go far enough in their presentation a few years ago of the Historical Jesus. Jennings presentation did not convince his audience without any benefit of doubt that Jesus existed, other than in mythical form. Dr. James Kennedy, of Orlando, Fla. (The famous Presbyterian minister with several Doctorate degrees in Theology and former aid to Billy Graham) also, could not come up with any real evidence on his TV show to refute Peter Jennings or others from Oxford University on the lack of historical evidence.
Evangelical Christians will not accept real proof, for they feel the professors at Oxford and anywhere else who claim Jesus did not exist are liberals or atheist of sorts.
Christians have said to Jews who reject Jesus, âOK...letâs see you provide historical evidence for the existence of characters in the Hebrew bible. i.e. Moses or Noah. However, in this line of reasoning, Christians forget that they have already accepted the Hebrew bible; that the episodes told therein actually happened. That is why a version of the Old Testament is located at the front of the Christian bible for reference and authority.
Those 21 great writers of the Greco-Roman world, whose combined work would fill a library did not write or allude to any thesis that god became man, walked the earth, died, was resurrected, and is now the Invisible Man in the Sky. There is not a single third party historical witness for confirmation, and not one single mention of a god walking the earth in any of the volumes of the combined work from the great writers of the period.
Again, I restate the obvious, yet in this mass of literature, âaside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.â Nor, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information on the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.
This alone should make anyone think twice before swallowingâhook, line and sinkerâthe Christian dead man-god myth â or, for that matter, any Abrahamic Derivative Religion (ADR), for they are all F3 â False, Fictitious and Foolish.
The Hebrew bible, like the Christian New Testament, is fictitious; from a 6-day creation of the universe; a cunning, walking, talking snake; big fish tales; world flood and an "Invisible Man in the Sky" â it is all fiction, a bold sham perpetrated on mankind.
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." -Carl Sagan (1934-1996)
You believe in an absurd nothing.
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