Comments by "C S ~ \x5bDuke of Ramble\x5d" (@DUKE_of_RAMBLE) on "Zelenskyy calls Kramatorsk train station rocket strike a war crime | USA TODAY" video.

@jamesmiller3098 I can't tell if you intend for your message to be directed at skyman, or if you meant it for Ivan...? NOTE: I am not taking either person's side, just explaining the process. [ TL;DR - Everyone has to "show their work" so that we can tell who is copying, and who actually knows the answer. And the opposite, if you're asked to "show your work", then you need to show how you came up with the answer, to prove you aren't just repeating/parroting what someone else said! ] Because everything you said is valid, BUT ONLY if it's in regards to Ivan's original comment. He is the one saying he has proof and evidence, after all. 9skyman9 is only saying he wants to see Ivan's proof/evidence for himself, which is a very fair and civil request, to be honest. Therefore, it's on IVAN to back up his original claims by citing his source(s) that it was: - from Ukrainian missile stockpile - originating from Ukrainian-controlled territory - fired by Ukrainians It is not on skyman to debunk the claim by trying to figure out whatever intricate way Ivan may have came to his conclusion. Telling skyman that "you just have to figure it out the same way Ivan managed to" is an impossible task unless Ivan provides the raw data, first! Otherwise, the information skyman digs up might completely contradict Ivan. If neither of them provide their data, a third person could just as easily claim that maybe it came from... Belarus, or maybe outer space! Maybe Ivan simply made a mathematical error, or didn't account for the wind that day, but that his data was otherwise trustworthy? The world isn't going to pause while everyone independently fact checks. This is war and time wasted can mean lives lost, so more eyes on the data only helps everyone. Then, anything that is deemed flawed or untrustworthy, can be supplanted by data from another source. Maybe the same verdict gets reached? But we'll never know if no one "shows their work" (as our math teachers always demanded), as otherwise they (Ivan) may simply be repeating what someone else had already claimed (ie copying someone else's test answer).
1
@eisbombenterror Good information to help everyone. For that matter, we also have no idea if the Russian soldiers could have captured even a single Ukrainian mobile launch platform, launching this themselves, to create this exact sort of doubt. Thankfully, this conflict has been documented on an unprecedented level, so between all the drone footage and satellite images, we'll undoubtedly know soon enough where this had launched from. Then, hopefully, can also conclude "who" likely launched it at that time. (personally I have a hard time believing the Ukrainians would do it against themselves, but I admit that I have no evidence to conclude that they hadn't, to garner sympathy... that's still a hard thought to try and process, especially when they're winning so far!)
1
@jamesmiller3098 Alright, so as you've stated, the burden of proof is on the person calling out the claims of another. So by those rules, 9skyman9 has to in turn produce credible information, since he doesn't believe Ivan. And since Ivan doesn't believe Zelenskey, it is Ivan who needs to produce credible information to back up his disbelief. Gotcha! Since the only way to conclusively determine the truth is to hear what both sides of any issue have to say on a matter, I await to see what they both manage to provide us so I can make a more informed decision! That's why I'm here, after all. Gather every side of the argument. See who puts out certain info (then retracts it), and who fights tooth and nail to keep important info hidden even when they claim there's nothing to hide (but still refuses to provide access to what's necessary in order to confirm their claim.) Retracting or changing of details, is also why I hadn't on to even old copies of files and software/game versions before updating. Hard drive space is cheap, holding on to now unobtainable/lost information (or evidence) and software features are priceless! 😉
1