Comments by "Günter Zöchbauer" (@GunterZochbauer) on "Jordan Peterson - The Enlightenment Was Wrong About God and Religion" video.

The question is what "exists" mean. When God is "the knowledge about how to live a life that's worth living or perhaps the best possible life", does God then exist or not. That God is an entity with an agenda is just complete nonsense.
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@drooskie9525 It's not the worst, but I don't know if it's the only one. The Catholic Church definitely did a poor job interpreting it and explaining it to people. I think that's the main reason people show it their back. The way it is taught it has no value to people.
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God is mostly what we are made of socially and the implicit and explicit knowledge that humanity carried over from our forefathers, like morale and what drives us like reproduction, love, power, .... The eternity stuff comes only from the assumption that humans always existed. At the time the stories the Bible consists of were "created", people had no idea that humans existed only for a short time. Using God as the creator of the universe is just a lazy reinterpretation.
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@suvorovetz642 I don't have an assumption about that. I know that I don't know. I'm sure it's completely unrelated to the biblical God though.
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@suvorovetz642 How does that fit into the discussion? I believe that life is better if you live like God existed, independent of whether you actually believe it and whether it's true. I don't see a need to believe that someone or something created the physical universe.
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@suvorovetz642 That's a rather weird assumption. When religion had a run at having people killed, there weren't even that many people around as "atheist" countries killed. With "atheist" I assume you mean mostly Communist. So the comparison doesn't really hold up in my opinion. The next thing is, that the Christian "God" promoted by the Catholic Church isn't really the Christian God. It's mostly a marketing vehicle to keep the Catholic Church going and the money flowing in - a convenient interpretation to manipulate people. So it's mandatory to agree on what God we talking about when we talk about God and whether it's good in believing. More important than believing in God is believing in the values Christianity (and some other religions) propose. These values are written up in a holy book for a reason - because smart people in the past observed, experimented, concluded and tested upholding which values make life worthwhile (prevent you from hell).
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@TCJB33 What you write doesn't make any sense. You go so abstract that anything goes but also that it means nothing. I wouldn't want to be involved in a religion sold this way. There are approachable ways of thinking about religion that also totally make sense without anything supernatural. The way you put it, it looks to me as if you try too hard to make it look like something great while it actually is just vaporware.
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@suvorovetz642 I'm sure you are wrong and I'm sure we don't know if the universe always existed or not. I also don't get how to derive the assumption from my comment.
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@suvorovetz642 I know the Big Bang theory and it came more and more under scrutiny. Some theories suggest that there are more big bangs not only one. It's only a theory because there is no proof either way, so spare me your stupid requests for proof.
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@suvorovetz642 It's rather about unmanteling the nonsense the Catholic church taught recent centuries. I get that atheists don't like to hear that religion doesn't need a deity living in the sky, because who would they denounce then?
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@DaviRenania That sounds like a good explanation.
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I think agnostic/atheist comes from God being made mystical. I don't see anything mystical about God as Dr. Peterson explains God. His is also the first explanation that makes any sense to me and it completely changed my view of religion. The mystical stuff is great to manipulate people and present yourself as someone superior who has the supernatural ability to connect with that mythical stuff. The only mystical thing about God is, that it's knowledge, understanding and logical conclusions instead of some physical thing that can be found using a telescope.
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@henpines What word?
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@henpines Why not? Because the Church tried to redefine it to make it more useful for their business model?
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@henpines But that throws the Bible out with the bathwater. Believers are beyond salvation anyway. It's a confusing topic. I think the best way is how Dr. Peterson does it.
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You can serve all three st once. It's all about orienting yourself. Concentrating on what you can influence. If you need to change the outside world to achieve any of these, you are on the wrong path.
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