Comments by "J Drake1994" (@JDrakeify) on "Owen Jones meets Clive Lewis | 'Jeremy Corbyn was only supposed to blow the bloody doors off'" video.

  1. ricop421 Most of the countries of Europe have PR. How are there governments and oppositions not credible?
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  2. Simon Jenner I'd imagine what the Lib Dems would have learned from there past experiences with Blair and Cameron is to get a cast iron commitment to PR (and not AV) as early as possible- Farron has already said that this would be the price of any coalition with either party. Many in Labour prefer First past the post, but it has support from multiple factions with the Labour party. It is probably one of the few things on which the likes of Chukka Ummuna and Clive Lewis agree these days. Its support has probably gone up since in the last year or two as well, as the loss of Scotland and the piling up of votes in seats that Labour already holds has made FPTP less favourable to them. Many might also see the long term possiblity for an amicable split between the lefties and the moderates within Labour.
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  3. Or it might be because he is a combat veteran
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  4. Is there anyone in the PLP that Owen has not asked to run for the leadership?
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  5. And with the Lib Dems, who can take rural Tory seats that Labour could only dream of getting there hands on. There is a reason why the Tories couldnt get over 200 seats in the Blair years, and couldnt even get a majority in 2010, it was because of the strength of the Lib Dems. The stronger they are, the weaker the Tories are, therefore an alliance with them makes perfect sense.
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  6. Brad_ ! I support one with the Greens and the Lib Dems, but one in Scotland with the SNP makes little sense. They can bring a grand total of one Tory seat to the table, and in return Labour would have to make massive concessions to them, for a deal that will probably lose seats south of the border due to the public concerns over a Labour government that is perceived to be too strongly influenced by the SNP. It is true that Labour wont win back Scotland any time soon, but it makes little sense for it to give up and chain itself to a nationalist party that doesnt need its help anyway when it comes to Westminster. It would be more logical for the alliance only to apply to England and Wales, and that way Labour might nab back a seat or two if they have a good election, or there could be a deal done with the Lib Dems which would see the two parties take a fair number of seats off of the SNP, thus strengthening Labour's claim to be the party that will keep the union together.
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  7. Before a PR referendum, surely? The whole point of a progressive alliance is to unite the left wing vote in a way that the Tories have done in the past for the right, so that FPTP doesnt penalize it. When Labour is at the head of a left wing government and PR is implemented, then there will be no need for that alliance to continue.
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  8. Awesome Avenger There is no reason why the SNP and Plaid should be involved, they can bring only a couple of seats to the table whilst losing the alliance many seats in England. It should be Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens.
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  9. Awesome Avenger Such a deal probably wouldnt be made under a Corbyn leadership, the Lib Dems wouldnt want to work with him anyway. But if Labour had a new leader who was still left wing but less toxic than Corbyn, then a deal could be reached. There really isnt all that much in a left wing Labour platform that would alienate Farron led Lib Dems.
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  10. But the likes of Healey and Benn were of a different generation, where service was expected of young men. I am not aware of any Labour figureheads born in the post war era who served in the armed forces. For what it is worth, I think it is a good thing to have, the experience of World War 2 was what drove politicians to pursue politics in the interests of building a better world for the next generation, rather than for careerism.
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  11. 0333Gus there are actually plenty of Tories who served in the armed forces. IDS and David Davis, for instance. It is a lot less common on the Labour benches though, I believe Clive and Dan Jarvis are the only two Labour MPs with combat experience, though both were officers.
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  12. Smart guy with some good life experience, and he talks like a human being rather than a human spin machine. I'll probably vote for Owen Smith this time around, but I'd back Clive if he ran without a doubt.
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  13. the man served a tour in Afghanistan, he is by defintion not a career politician.
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  14. Jon C Yeah, I doubt a guy who was one of Corbyn's very first backers, back when people thought he had no chance of even getting on the ballot, could really be described as careerist.
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