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Comments by "" (@pwrserge83) on "Civilians Suffer from Bloody Military Campaign: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 57)" video.
Does it matter? If the Ukrainian government had sat down and accepted that the regions had a right to decide their own future none of this would be happening. They overthrew a government in Kiev, they vilified Yanukovich because he (allegedly) ordered the use of force against protestors. Then the go in and roll over regions who want to form their own government with tanks. How are they better than the scum they replaced? You didn't see Yanukovich ordering artillery strikes against the maidan.
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g0lanu ... so you would deny those people the right to choose for themselves which system they want to live under? Last time I checked, a free country means you're free to tell people who you don't want there to get the hell out.
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g0lanu Bullshit. The matter of secession is entirely a LOCAL issue. Expecting the entirety of Ukraine to vote on secession is like giving a wife beating husband veto power over a divorce. Ukraine is violating international law quite a bit themselves. At the end of the day, all it would take is for Ukraine to acknowledge that a government that came into power by force has no standing to use force to force said government on the unwilling. A good solution would be an election overseen by Russian and US observers with a mandatory withdrawal of all Ukrainian troops and terrorist bands from the territory in question.
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g0lanu The UN charter says otherwise. Self determination is a basic human right. If Donbas wants to secede, the Ukrainian constitution is irrelevant under international law.
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g0lanu The local population. That's who. The terrorists in Kiev who stormed government buildings and murdered police officers should stay the hell out of something that's none of their business.
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g0lanu Yeah... Please let me know when Putin rolled his tanks in Kiev... I'd love to hear about it.
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g0lanu Go get that history book you're always talking about. There were tanks rolling through Czechoslovakia in 1938. I'm still waiting on the example of Russian troops in Donbas. And the rebels are not the problem. They did exactly what the maidan assclowns did. Note how using military force against the latter is somehow abhorrent. But artillery strikes against the former are A-OK.
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g0lanu Interesting... Ask that from the maidan scumbags.
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g0lanu You're right, the Ukrainian nationalist Junta is fighting using Russian made equipment, fuel, and ammunition. What's your point?
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g0lanu All the heavy equipment is former Ukrainian issue. The small arms are easily acquired on the black market with (I'm sure) tacit consent from Russia. Again... Occam's Razor is rather simply applied in this case. If Putin really wanted Eastern Ukraine, he would roll in an armored division or twelve and the Ukrainian armed forces would turn tail and run like the cowardly bullies that they are.
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g0lanu You mean the T-64s that have not been in Russian service for a generation? If a bunch of Durka Durkas in Afghanistan can maintain heavy equipment and fight US troops for over a decade, I think the DNR/LNR can manage a few months against the tyrannic incompetence that is the Ukrainian Junta.
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g0lanu Um... You do remember that the region had major military bases? 300-400 vehicles is barely a single full strength regiment worth of armor. 3-4 vehicles per platoon, 3-4 platoons per company (9-16 vehicles) 3-6 companies per battalion (27-96 vehicles) 3-5 battalions per regiment (81-480 vehicles) Are you seriously telling me that the Ukrainian military only had a single regiment stationed on the border? Or that those forces had no supply of spare parts handy? (for vehicles that are designed to require minimal maintenance) In reality, an armored infantry division can have well over two THOUSAND armored vehicles. 300-400 is a drop in the bucket against the sort of hardware that should be in-theater at the start of this stupidity. Given how closely American satellites are monitoring the border, I guarantee you that the US would be shouting it from the rooftops if Russia moved heavy vehicles into the region. (It's sort-of hard to hide an armored column.) As for the Afghans... You did notice how the Taliban had entire armored regiments in 2001 despite having no source of resupply or heavy equipment.
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g0lanu Um... I didn't learn this from books. I learned this in a place where it is actually TAUGHT. Fuel is not really an issue for that few armored vehicles. If the pipeline from Russia is still running, then they will have all sorts of petrochemicals. In any case, the local cars obviously still have fuel, why not a far smaller number of armored vehicles? Oh, and there ARE NOT 400 estimated tanks. If there were, the Ukrainian government would have been crushed by now.
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g0lanu Oh... How cute... You think that you have any clue as to my level of education. Nice racist joke there, by the way. Always a pleasure to see pro-nazi scumbags show their true colors. (BTW... I drink scotch. But then, I'm sure that you think that Johnny Black is the epitome of that particular drink.)
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g0lanu So the Ukrainian government hasn't run the country into the ground? It's not arresting political dissidents without warrant or executing them without trial?
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g0lanu This very series numbnuts. BTW, what you saw in that report is perfectly legal. No prisoners were harmed. Taking civilians into custody without warrant on the direct order of an MP without any other officials involved... Not so much.
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