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Comments by "" (@pwrserge83) on "Follow A Factory Worker On Her Last Shift Before The Plant Was Closed: VICE News Tonight On HBO" video.
Bull shit. It's very simple. The US is the biggest market in the world. Make it prohibitively expensive to manufacture outside the US via tariffs and those companies will come sulking back with hat in hand. As for automation... Do you really think that a seven factories that only employ ~3000 people can operate without extensive automation? You're fucking delusional. That's less than 200 people per shift in all functions.
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John Doe Son, I work in industrial automation. The US market is taking off like you would not believe.
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Cosmo1093 Yeah... You write the code, I deal with implementing the hardware in a real life industrial environment. What you peddle is fairy tales that have been promised for decades. The reality is that the real world throws variables at you that your fancy code will never be able to handle.
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American Liberty You mean the Japan that has been in recession for the past 20 years? Are you fucking high?
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Cosmo1093 1. Bullshit. You have no idea what workers do in a modern factory. 2. "collaborative" robots suck balls. They are basically glorified, but extremely limited, pick and place machines. 3.Yeah... No. Have you ever been inside a factory?
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Cosmo1093 Our exports are things countries can't get anywhere else. What are they going to do? The other beauty is the fact that we are the world's only superpower. People trade on our terms, or not at all.
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andizle123 You've never worked in manufacturing? Have you? The cost of labor is a ROUNDING ERROR in production costs.
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Cosmo1093 Yeah... I'm sure a fucktard who thinks that robots can replace people in 21st century manufacturing knows all about economics and how tariffs work.
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andizle123 So... again... you think that a Chinese peasant who is barely literate is a better employee than an American? Really? Boy, you've never worked with Chinese suppliers, have you? Reshoring is a thing for a reason and has been for almost a decade. It just needs a nudge.
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Cosmo1093 Yeah... You've never worked with robots either, have you? Driving a car is infinitely simpler than a lot of these functions.
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Cosmo1093 Ok... Obviously you've never actually worked with a real AGV... Unlike you, I've actually programmed the laser scanner systems that are used for AGV guidance. The things are useful, but hardly on the level of what you claim. For the record, my company makes the most versatile scanning system on the market, so I think I might know just a tad bit more than some code monkey who has never actually worked in a real automation environment. Machine learning is just as much of a pipe dream today as it was a decade ago. Someone has to teach the machine every possible permutation that it's likely to encounter. Do you know how many variables you have to account for? I've seen a $100k machine vision system go haywire because the factory replaced their overhead lighting. Do you know how many man hours it took to track down and correct the issue? Again kiddo, go work in real factory automation for a few years. I hear Omron, Keyence, and Fanuc are hiring.
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learningtotowerrush Oh... I don't know... How about massive fines and jail time for their CEOs? The reality is that China has used access to their market to strong arm companies into far worse things. Why shouldn't we?
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learningtotowerrush Except that then they lose access to the largest market in the world. It's the same reason western companies haven't told the CCP to pound sand when the Chinese are stealing their IP and very companies out from under them.
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learningtotowerrush Yeah... Again... CHINA is doing far worse than a few measly import tariffs.
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learningtotowerrush The Great Depression has many causes. First amongst them was FDR's socialism destroying the economic certainty necessary to recover from a recession and keep from sliding into depression.
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learningtotowerrush There was a market crash, yes, but those are cyclic. The crash was the start of the decline, not the cause.
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Patrick Cox Not quite. It wasn't just a US decline. It was a world-wide decline due to WWI. What happened, however, is that the socialist governments made the decline WORSE by blaming big business for the fact that the government had more or less hijacked the entire economy for the better part of a decade and then never bothered to fix the things they jacked up. The "boom" of the "roaring 20s" was largely a temporary effect due to the quick fixes governments and the private sector put in place to cover up the gigantic hole that WWI put in the economy. A few professors at UCLA actually estimate that FDR's "New Deal" policies extended the Great Depression several years.
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Patrick Cox Socialism is inherently a horrible policy. It's like asking if there was ever a situation where Nazism was "good". Socialists killed over 100 million people in the 20th century alone.
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Patrick Cox Yes... Because that's totally the same thing as deliberate genocide. Capitalism has never killed anyone. Why? Because it's not a form of government fucktard.
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learningtotowerrush Yeah... No. Socialism is not about collecting taxes, it's bout how the government chooses to use those taxes. Do you even polli-sci bro?
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learningtotowerrush You don't know what socialism is, do you?
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learningtotowerrush Let me explain this to you. Socialism is the DIRECT TRANSFER of assets or services from those who work to those that do not under threat of government coercion. For example... Welfare == Socialism (an individual gets cash directly) Roads != Socialism (no single individual benefits)
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learningtotowerrush Wow... Yes, you are a total libtard. You think the US imports energy or even needs to.
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learningtotowerrush Check the latest data fucktard. The US has been a net EXPORTER of petroleum products since the mid 2000s.
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learningtotowerrush Not really. It benefits the country doing the taxes, either as a source of income or as a way to prop up domestic industries. I think there should be a massive tariff on China proportional to the difference in our respective minimum wages.
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