Comments by "Persona" (@ArawnOfAnnwn) on "The Broken Economy of China | @visualeconomiken" video.

I've literally never seen a bot, or even a person defending them, say this. What I have seen is endless recycled jokes about it that are clearly intended to mean the opposite. A better defense would simply be to point out another fact - that their last war ended in 1979, while the us' latest one only ended in 2021. And it has the record for most interventions since ww2. A couple thousand people in that square 30 years ago pales in comparison to a record like that.
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@askip9304 Chi is also the biggest investor in Vietnamese manufacturing. And even one of the biggest into Mexico..
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@Hovrap That's pretty unremarkable considering it's had a head start of over two centuries, and is even more blessed with resources. Modern Chi isn't even a century old, and old Chi was decimated by the colonial powers (like pretty much the whole world was). Most of the world still hasn't recovered from that, Chi is actually far ahead of most of them.
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@vulkanofnocturne You don't get to decide what other nations' govt is. Else they get to decide what yours should be too.
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You can also see wealth moving out of other countries TO Chi. For instance India, a popular candidate for an alternative to them, recently saw a massive exodus of investment (with a corresponding fall in its stock market) right after their recent economic announcements. So you can disprove this claim even via other countries' statistics. Does that mean they're back? No it means markets are doing their thing, and not driven by some kind of ideological opposition like comments like these often are.
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@Hovrap Also in terms of GDP PPP they're literally already bigger. Have been for many years now.
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They've literally been doing just that for decades now. It's just that it doesn't get attention cos everyone dismisses the places where it happens - Africa, Central Asia, Latin America. Almost all the focus is on the west, as usual. Even that region they reached out to, but it shifted in 2016 for the sake of political opportunism. As for their neighbours, every big power has had problems with its neighbours - from the uk to the us to rus. Just look at the history of the us in latin america for instance.
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@vulkanofnocturne Also they're hardly the only autocratic state. Many other are among your allies, like KSA. While some were even put in by ya'll, like in Gautemala. The opposition to them in particular is very hypocritical and self-serving.
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@Hovrap 'At some point growth has to be backed by checked political power and open society' - I don't recall seeing this in any economics textbook, or hearing it from any economist. That's just you deciding how you want other peoples to live. Speaking of which, does that 'checked political power' also include foreign policy? Cos it clearly doesn't, as shown not by them, but their rival. A rival who holds the record for most interventions since ww2, yet suffers no consequences.
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@raedok3041 Works in reverse too bruh. Just cos they've done things doesn't mean you get to. So when is your side gonna face punishment hmm? You don't get to keep crying about your enemies and insisting they face repercussions that you never do.
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@Ausplainer I've literally never seen a bot, or even a person defending them, deny it. What I have seen is endless recycled jokes about it that are clearly intended to mean the opposite. A better defense would simply be to point out another fact - that their last war ended in 1979, while the us' latest one only ended in 2021. And it has the record for most interventions since ww2. A couple thousand people in that square 30 years ago pales in comparison to a record like that.
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@BlindedByLogic It's worth noting that have been large transfer programs and development projects in the interior for decades. So they're hardly ignoring the disparity. It's also the main reason why they keep a system, that's often been criticized, called hokuo - while it hurts them overall, it also prevents a massive exodus from the interior to the coasts.
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Pretty much every democratic country also has subsidies. The eu practically makes a sport of it. Subsidies have nothing to do with the system of govt. used - in fact many of them have democratic reasons why they exist, like europe's farm lobbies. And you're severely underestimating the level of industrial agglomeration they've achieved, that has made even places with cheaper labor costs (which is most of the world today) struggle to compete.
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@doujinflip That 'dollar-a-day type' is literally what international organisations like the imf and world bank also use. If you want to question it, then you're not just denying them, you're denying poverty statistics for the whole world.
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@Hovrap And they've had the fastest in the whole world for over 30 years, and still among the fastest today. Falling from 10% growth to 5% is a fall, but it's still faster than most nations (including all developed ones).
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@Hovrap Bruh you just showcased the base effect. Yeah ofc the absolute number would be higher for the us, it had the higher base number to start with. Multiplying a big number by a small percent will give you a bigger result than doing it with a smaller number by a bigger percent, unless the percent differences are extremely large (which they won't be as countries don't grow at quadruple or quintuple figure growth rates).
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@Hovrap Also by your logic I guess Nigeria is going to be the next superpower soon. After all you don't need to do anything right - development just happens automatically as long as you have loads of people and low base productivity.
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@venanziadorromatagni1641 It's been broken for years now, but much of the blame for that isn't bots but the ceos.
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@Hovrap As for their demographics, everyone has that problem. The west postpones it thanks to immigration, but even that's hardly a reliable solution. It relies on everything staying the same forever, so people emigrate to the same places, which is hardly how the last century went. If anything upsets the global order, migration patterns will change with it. And even if that doesn't happen, it only buys some time for the less populated, while in their case they have time from sheer quantity (they'll still be over twice the us population in 2100). Eventually a solution will need to be found, and there's no reason whatever it is won't work there as well. If it's automation, note that they already lead the world in automation.
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What would the uk be, if the past had been different in Chi? That would mean colonialism didn't happen, which would've been great for the whole world even beyond just Chi. Not so great for the west tho.
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@nntflow7058 Guess who the biggest investor in Vietnamese manufacturing is. It ain't Tim, or even his country, lol.
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You can also see wealth moving out of other countries TO Chi. For instance India, a popular candidate for an alternative to them, recently saw a massive exodus of investment (with a corresponding fall in its stock market) right after their recent economic announcements. So you can disprove this claim even via other countries' statistics. Does that mean they're back? No it means markets are doing their thing, and not driven by some kind of ideological opposition like comments like these often are.
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@raedok3041 Furthermore, if you care so much about freedom, why don't you look at your own hypocritical foreign policy? From embracing autocrats as allies (like KSA) to putting them in power (like Gautemala), there's plenty to show that this isn't and has never been about freedom.
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@doujinflip source? That ain't from any of the un agencies...
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@nntflow7058 Yeah I acknowledged that. But I also pointed out that this is the norm. Every major power has done that. It eventually gets resolved, albeit in a way that won't be liked at the time but will be taken for granted later - pacification. The neighbours eventually learn to toe the line, unless they're powerful themselves or have a powerful backer. This is derided when it happens, but eventually just gets accepted (as is has with latin america for instance). This process is still ongoing in their case, as they rose to power only recently, and is complicated by the us. In the long term the only major issue for them will be India, with whom some sort of compromise will have to be reached.
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@nntflow7058 They seem to have already come to an understand with Ru. And I'm not aware of there being any major issues with Indonesia, so perhaps you can enlighten me on that.
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