Comments by "Tango Nevada" (@TangoNevada) on "Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang's Case for UBI | Joe Rogan" video.

@RockyMtnHighChick - Unemployment is down because it's measured by how many people are collecting. The number is low because people are no longer collecting because they are no longer eligible or they were forced to accept a job at a much lower wage then they were making before (Which is not a positive). You can't just jump into a Trade. "Trades" does not mean "Unskilled Nail Banger". If your just doing basic carpentry or plumbing etc as an apprentice you are not making 50K+ a year. You need to work up to that and that can take years of training and classes or schooling you need to pay for - How do people support their family during that time? Not to mention all the money you need to pay your state for licensing just to do it. In CT, just to be allowed to work on Low Voltage you need to first spend at least a year, going to classes and over $3000.00 before someone will even hire you, or you won't be allowed on most Job Sites. I'm not saying I completely agree with UBI. But just transitioning to the 'Trades" is not some simple task. You have to start at the bottom and work up, while applying for jobs against High School Kids willing to work for Minimum wage or less under the table.
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@Greeen0 Bad analogy. During the Industrial Revolution people went from skilled positions as farmers at, to no skilled positions like factory workers. We're now asking people to go from generally unskilled jobs to highly skilled jobs and expecting them to be able to do it virtually overnight, when most don't have the money to even pay for the education that would be required. And what do they do for money while they are at school getting the education?
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Super J Future Robots could easily be roofers. How does your story help the 18 year old Apprentice Roofer? Great for you that you're almost ready to retire, but it sounds like you think everyone is in the same situation as you? And what if you do actually fall and get fucked up? Have fun watching all your money melt away into out healthcare system. Sounds like a dangerous job a Robot could do without getting hurt.
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I suspect the people that would use the $1000 to Drink and Drug into a Stupor would or are doing it anyway. It's not like Alcoholics are sitting around totally sober and going 'Man, if the Government would just give me $1000 I could totally be a drunk"
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@mochamommyATX That's fine. I couldn't nor wouldn't claim to know exactly how someone in every single state in the union benefits or doesn't from going into the trades. My point was, just saying "Learn a Trade" is not the simple answer it appears to be. Yes, it will vary state to state and trade to trade. I assumed that was obvious.
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@Jazox You are literally making my point for me. My entire point was you can't just transition to a Trade just because you lost your trucking job, or retail job or whatever. My point was, a Trade is a Skilled Position (Which you confirmed) that requires experience before you make any real money. Like you said, you are lacking in skilled tradespeople. I didn't say anything to contradict that. There is definitely a lack of skilled people in the trades. The key word is skilled. People can't just hop from flipping burgers to being master plumbers just because there is a lack of master plumbers, or carpenters etc. They need to start as an apprentice and work their way up. Are you paying Brand new guys off the street with no experience 50K a year, not including OT (That skews the stats of what the actual salary) The Salary should be based on base pay, not if you work 100 hours a week (I'm of course exaggerating to make a point) So as I read it, you agree with me. The Trades are not some dumbed down job that anyone can just immediately transition to. And again, I don't know about your state, it varies state to state. But some States require a license before you can even go on a job site. In some cases, those can take over a year to get. How does a guy support his family, when his isn't skilled yet, can't get a license for a year and has to work as an apprentice at best, when he was making 50K+? I work in the trades to. Electronics. I don't imagine too many truckers can just hop off the truck and start trouble shooting electronics. They would need at least the 2 years of Trades School that I had first. That was 10's of thousands of dollars. I was fortunate enough to work for a company as a complete novice and they were willing to help with some of the cost. But I was 18 years old. I doubt they would make that investment in a 50 year old.
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Chalky Von Kekian So are you pro choice and the Government should have no say in Abortion, what drugs you take, what lifestyle you life etc? Asking for a friend.
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Exec Utize I was asking, I don't know what he believes until he replies. I was asking because more often then not I find that people that are all for "Small Government" want the Government to tell people what they can do with their own bodies, be it Abortion, Smoking Weed, etc. So basically they don't want the Government involved until the Government is defending something they believe in, like Anti Abortion, Right to Guns, No Drugs, etc, etc. I can't say every single person that is small Government is against all those things, it will vary. But if you're small Government, they shouldn't be involved in any of those decisions. Those should be up to the individual. Is Abortion Murder? Well that debate continues. However, I find that 99% of people that think it is, think so because of religious reasons and they believe life is sacred. But if you live in a country where you have Freedom of and Freedom from religion (Or at least you are supposed to) you're belief that life is sacred is irrelevant. So if you're religion doesn't believe abortion is okay, then don't have an abortion. But we have freedom from religion. And if someone doesn't believe life if sacred they shouldn't have your beliefs forced upon them. It goes both ways. It's also kind of ironic that many of the small government supporters that are Anti Abortion, are also against most of the programs to support these kids and single Moms if they are born. Sorry to quote Seth Macfarlane (Via Family Guy), but if it works, it works. "They are all pro life until the kid is born, once he is born he is on his own and can go fuck himself"
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