Comments by "boz" (@BOZ_11) on "Israel’s vs Turkey’s military. Who would win a hypothetical war?" video.
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@jonchrys "Even so no one is asking you to vacate the area"
Not so, since the implication is that Turks shouldn't be there, with this incessant reminder that Anatolia was replete with Greeks, once upon a time. They never mention that they themselves were once foreign colonists.
"Plus many Turks are ethnic Greeks"
That's nonsense in the extreme, since it is very, very difficult for Greeks and Turks to marry because of the litany of differences (racial, linguistic, cultural, religious and ethnic). It is very taboo and thus very rare to see such marriages. As for Cyprus (and this extends to the Ottoman Empire), there was no multiculturalism, you had Greek towns/villages, and you had Turkish ones. If you wanted to go from one Turkish town to another, you usually had to pass a Greek one, or vice versa. You're implanting concepts you know of the West and misapplying it here. Moreover, DNA testing shows very little admixture between Greeks and Turks, it's just a meme at this point.
Nationalism is entirely a European mind virus, one which the Turks had to deal with and semi adopt in order to survive the ethnic cleansing pogroms of Turks all through the Balkans from 1912 to 1922. The Turks left the Balkan churches in pristine condition, during centuries of rule, but you burned all the mosques to the ground. There's no ambiguity about the rampant enmity that Greeks feel for Turks and most other races, but Turks don't think about Greeks. They don't have to.
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@jonchrys "there are many mixed marriages in Cyprus I know 2 such families very well".
Doesn't this prove my point? You know of only two, and I know of one myself.
"Cypriot Turks have a huge amount of Greek DNA to think otherwise is totally nonsense"
A close friend of mine is a Cypriot Turk, and according to an ancestry DNA test, he's only 4% Greek (80% Turkic overall). He's not part of some secluded aristocracy, but from a fairly typical working family. His dad actually knows a decent amount of Greek, since the border only went up in '74, 20 years after he was born.
The Athens mosque is the first official mosque in the Greek capital since the Greek War of Independence, and it was only built in 2020, practically yesterday. Meanwhile, the Turks take good care of the Holy Patriarch and the Orthodox Greeks in Istanbul. That's quite a difference in attitude, wouldn't you say?
I'm fairly certain I've not said anything inaccurate, and I do try.
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@jonchrys "There were many good reasons to vote no to Annan"
Sorry but the Annan plan was a United Nations plan and quite fair. Certainly, the Turkish Cypriots voted FOR reunification, the Greeks voted against. This is not conjecture, it's a recorded fact.
"I think you will find vast majority prefer unification on both sides"
Only on the Turkish side. If the Greeks had to follow the law (Treaty of Guarantee 1960, which was never revoked), and place 1/3 Turkish Cypriots in parliament, they would rather keep two polities on the island. This is another inconvenient fact.
"They identify as Cypriot first and many feel Turkey is occupying them"
Yes, they're Cypriot first, but the mainland Turks literally saved them from genocide (EOKA B ethnic cleansing pogrom, look it up). Only the brainwashed "intelligentsia" among the Turkish Cypriots believe the Turks are bad for them; who else would protect them? They'd all be dead.
"What I can say in Cyprus both sides realise how they were played by all sides"
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"Sponsored by Ioannidis, on 15 July 1974 a coup d'état on the island of Cyprus overthrew Archbishop Makarios III, the Cypriot President. Turkey replied to this by invading Cyprus and occupying the northern part of the island, after heavy fighting with the Cypriot and Greek ELDYK Forces (ΕΛ.ΔΥ.Κ. (Ελληνική Δύναμη Κύπρου), "Greek Force for Cyprus"). During a military council, Ioannidis is reported to have said angrily to the American minister Joseph J. Sisco (who was present) "You betrayed us! You had assured us that you would prevent any Turkish landing".[124]"
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@jonchrys "There were many good reasons to vote no to Annan"
The Annan plan was a United Nations plan and quite fair. Certainly, the Turkish Cypriots voted FOR reunification, the Greeks voted against. This is not conjecture, it's a recorded fact.
"I think you will find vast majority prefer unification on both sides"
Only on the Turkish side. If the Greeks had to follow the law (Treaty of Guarantee 1960, which was never revoked), and place 1/3 Turkish Cypriots in parliament, they would rather keep two polities on the island. This is another inconvenient fact.
"They identify as Cypriot first and many feel Turkey is occupying them"
Yes, they're Cypriot first, but the mainland Turks literally saved them from genocide (EOKA B ethnic cleansing pogrom, look it up). Only the brainwashed "intelligentsia" among the Turkish Cypriots believe the Turks are bad for them; who else would protect them? They'd all be dead.
"What I can say in Cyprus both sides realise how they were played by all sides"
Nobody played the Turks, but the Greeks were played by the Americans: -
"Sponsored by Ioannidis, on 15 July 1974 a coup d'état on the island of Cyprus overthrew Archbishop Makarios III, the Cypriot President. Turkey replied to this by invading Cyprus and occupying the northern part of the island, after heavy fighting with the Cypriot and Greek ELDYK Forces (ΕΛ.ΔΥ.Κ. (Ελληνική Δύναμη Κύπρου), "Greek Force for Cyprus"). During a military council, Ioannidis is reported to have said angrily to the American minister Joseph J. Sisco (who was present) "You betrayed us! You had assured us that you would prevent any Turkish landing".[124]"
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@jonchrys "There were many good reasons to vote no to Annan"
Sorry but the Annan plan was a United Nations plan and quite fair. Certainly, the Turkish Cypriots voted FOR reunification, the Greeks voted against.
"I think you will find vast majority prefer unification on both sides"
Only on the Turkish side. If the Greeks had to follow the law (Treaty of Guarantee 1960, which was never revoked), and place 1/3 Turkish Cypriots in parliament, they would rather keep two polities on the island. This is another inconvenient fact.
"They identify as Cypriot first and many feel Turkey is occupying them"
Yes, they're Cypriot first, but the mainland Turks literally saved them from genocide (EOKA B ethnic cleansing pogrom, look it up). Only the brainwashed "intelligentsia" among the Turkish Cypriots believe the Turks are bad for them; who else would protect them? They'd all be dead.
"What I can say in Cyprus both sides realise how they were played by all sides"
Nobody played the Turks, but the Greeks were played by the Americans: -
"Sponsored by Ioannidis, on 15 July 1974 a coup d'état on the island of Cyprus overthrew Archbishop Makarios III, the Cypriot President. Turkey replied to this by invading Cyprus and occupying the northern part of the island, after heavy fighting with the Cypriot and Greek ELDYK Forces (ΕΛ.ΔΥ.Κ. (Ελληνική Δύναμη Κύπρου), "Greek Force for Cyprus"). During a military council, Ioannidis is reported to have said angrily to the American minister Joseph J. Sisco (who was present) "You betrayed us! You had assured us that you would prevent any Turkish landing".[124]"
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